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Date: Thu. Oct. 29 2009 9:09 PM ET

Many people experienced a long, frustrating day as they spent up to seven hours in line waiting to get a swine flu shot at two overrun clinics in Toronto.

At the East York Civic Centre, some people started lining up at 6:30 a.m., even though it would only be open to the public at noon (health workers were to be vaccinated from 9 a.m. to noon).

By 2 p.m., organizers ended the lineup to newcomers, causing some tempers to heat up. People were still waiting to get shots by the early evening.

Only 14 vaccination stations were open inside. By the end of the day, officials expected to process 2,000 people.

At the North York Civic Centre, the line got shut down at 12:45 p.m. Toronto's chief medical health officer told a news conference that people should not come to the North York Civic Centre because they may not be accommodated.

"We don't want people waiting unnecessarily," said Dr. David McKeown.

He said extra staff were pulled from other public health services to help accommodate the crowds and that several new clinics would be available to the public this weekend.

"There will be more clinics opened next week and we will have a lot more capacity to get the vaccine to the public," McKeown said.

Those were the only two clinics for priority patients open Thursday in a city of 2.5 million people.

"We are trying to dissuade people ... if they don't fall in one of the priority groups, to consider all those who have been waiting who are in the priority groups or who are health-care workers and not have their vaccine until the week of Nov. 2," said Toronto Health's Joanne Cameron.

Those who are in a priority group include:

  • people with chronic medical conditions (eg., asthma, diabetes) under the age of 65
  • healthy children from six months to five years old
  • care providers and household contacts of persons at high risk who cannot be immunized or may not respond to vaccines
  • health workers
  • pregnant women

For pregnant women, only those more than 20 weeks pregnant can receive the adjuvanted vaccine, which combines the active ingredient with an organic booster. Those who are fewer than 20 weeks pregnant must wait for the unadjuvanted vaccine, which will be available in the coming days.

"We understand this is challenging for people," McKeown said. "We are asking people for their patience as we're trying to move people forward who are in the priority groups."

For many parents, however, the story of the death of 13-year-old Evan Frustaglio earlier this week meant waiting longer for the vaccine wasn't an option.

Unfortunately, this meant delays for everyone.

Many people waiting in line for hours complained about the system being completely disorganized.

"What about if it was raining or freezing today and you have all these people waiting outside?" said Carolyn Weaver, a mom waiting for hours to have her child immunized.

One woman said it was cruel to leave seniors and small children to spend hours standing.

Clinic hours

The City of Toronto began vaccinations for health-care workers on Monday. Clinics to inoculate the city's seniors against the seasonal flu virus began on Oct. 22.

On Tuesday, the city announced it would be accelerating the administering of the swine flu vaccine for people in priority groups, along with health workers.

Here is the flu shot clinic schedule for priority groups:

Friday, Oct. 30:

  • Metro Hall, 55 John St., 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.
  • Scarborough Civic Centre (rotunda), 150 Borough Dr., 12 p.m. to 7 p.m.

Saturday, Oct. 31, 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.:

  • Timothy Eaton Business and Technical Institute (Cafeteria), 1251 Bridletowne Circle
  • Melody Public School (Gym), 24 Strathburn Blvd.
  • East York Civic Centre, 850 Coxwell Ave., lower level
  • Etobicoke Civic Centre, 399 The West Mall, rooms 1, 2 and 3

Starting Monday, 10 more clinics will open. Each clinic will be able to administer 1,800 shots in a seven-hour period. In addition, 561 doctors will begin administering the vaccine. They will be able to administer 500 shots per day.

This ctvtoronto.ca feature has all the Toronto clinic locations, plus those in Peel, Durham, York and Halton regions.

With a report from CTV Toronto's Janice Golding and Paul Bliss

Comments are now closed for this story

Logan
said

First you scare everyone into saying "We're all going to die unless you get vaccinated", and now when everyone comes running for the doors, you shut them in their faces. The hypocrisy Heath Canada shows is mind-boggling sometimes.


David McCombs
said

I don't know how the government could have expected anything different than what is happening. They rolled the vaccine out late to begin with. So the flu was already hitting us hard before the vaccine came out. The worse part is the impossibly small number of clinics that are being opened. Two clinics for the population of Toronto today? Get real. Right now there is just two opened tomorrow. Although these clinics are supposed to be for people with preexisting conditions like me. People are panicking and everyone is showing up thus making it impossible for people like me to get the flu shot. People like me can not stand or even sit outside or even inside for hours. Our bodies just won't allow for such a thing. My family doctor says that they will not be getting the H1N1 vaccine so these clinics are the only way for me to get it. Why would the government not give this to family doctors to avoid a mess like this? Also, why didn't they crack down right form the beginning and turn those who are not priority to leave? Instead the media has been broadcasting over and over again that non-priority people will not be refused if they show up. Thus encouraging everyone to come. The governments response to H1N1 has been a huge joke. Only not so funny for immune compromised people like me.

David


Julie
said

This is insane. I truly think people need to take a deep breathe and limit their reaction to this situation.

I also think it would benefit the situation for the media to lighten their coverage. It isn't doing anything but creating fear and unrest.

Obviously this is a very serious topic, but breaking news such as this is proof that things are getting out of hand.

It makes me shake my head.


Darryl
said

Typical BS from Toronto health . I'm a health care worker yet I can't get the shot because of bureaucratic nonsense.

Why couldn't the CMO of Toronto health not anticipate this and open more clnics instead of just 2 and STICK TO THE SCHEDULE PUBLISHED! But of course he doesn't care 'cause he's been innoculated already! Leaving people like myself stuck and fearful of contracting this! Look at what happened to that poor 13 year old who was perfectly healthy yet was struck down by this! Is this just the start of something more sinister?

Someone should be held accountable for this mess!


Mom of 2
said

They should run them 24 hours a day or send the vacccine to family doctor's so they could hand it out, there is so much panic because of the media, wash your hands, stay home if you are sick, and get the vaccine when it's your turn.


Give me a break
said

I know the actual medicine took time to get ready...I'm not complaining about that.
I think we all know they could have arranged the actual delivery better. They had all summer to make these arrangements....but hang on a mo...did the strike make a difference to all of this I wonder ????
Right from day one they should have told people you could ONLY get in the line that day IF and only if you fitted the right group.
I have young kids and I'm waiting until next week....do I want them done now..of course I do...but it's not their or my turn yet.
Hopefully we'll get smaller line ups next week and will be fine before it really hits.
I know we will probably be okay and only get the H1N1 in a mild form but at the end of the day will I chance my kids health on a probably.........


Weazel
said

Time for people to take a deap breath, and chill for a bit. This disease is serious, but its not killing people everywhere, most people will get it and get through it in no time. It is a flu after all. The H1N1 flu shot is not a guarantee that you are going to be immune to it. It doesnt mean you can stop washing your hands and start sneezing at people. Its more of an immnue boost that will take time to work through your system. It might be to late for this flu season, but maybe next flu season, the City and the Federal Health department will wise up, and first allow doctors to vaccinate people those who choose to, and secondly make it availabe year round. Why dont they do what I remember happening when I was in grade school, and not just go right to the schools and do it there. Wouldnt it save more time and money. Just a thought.


Jane Smith
said

Didn't anyone use their brains when they were deciding how to hand out this vaccine? Could they not see the chaos opening only a few clinics would create?
Healthcare workers work at hospitals and nursing homes etc. Why not have the vaccine delivered to their places of employment and have nursing staff give the vaccine to those that work there? Too easy? No, its a question of money and who is or is not being paid to hand out the vaccine.
Oh, and if parents would like their children vaccinated, why not give the flu shot at schools after the parent has signed a permission form? Too easy? A bit time consuming maybe, but more convenient for the parent, and that would leave plenty of room in line for the other priority groups (the elderly, children under 5 and others working with the public) to recieve their needles at public clinics.
10 clinics in the city the size of Toronto is not enough. There should be more, but we need to realize there are only so many public health nurses that can give the vaccine.
Also something to think about. What if someone in line already has the flu but is not yet showing symptoms? Are you really willing to risk standing next to that person for hours on end? Remember this flu is spread through the air.


Vern AAFU Oshawa spokesman
said

Overwhelming you say?? You would think this has hit pandemic proportions...I was driving home last night, and almost ran over some complete MORON, who, getting his 2 toddlers across a busy section of highway 2, east of Bowmanville, around 5-5:30 pm, was far more important than the lives of the 2 toddlers he was carrying!!! Imagine the fallout from that!! Here is a guy who couldn't wait for me to pass, and cross the road safely, but had to dodge in front of an oncoming car, risking the safety and well being of the kids he felt needed to have the H1N1 flu shot,(really just to get in line), MORE than getting rundown by a car!!! Use some common sense people. What would have happened if you had of tripped, carrying those 2 young children?? Hopefully this idiot will read this, and KNOW that he scared the living S**T OUT OF ME, just to get in line!!! You're a lousy parent!!!


AW from Toronto
said

I don't know how the governmental bureaucracy works, but it's a little unfair to lay the blame completely on Health Cananda and the various public health agencies for not having enough vaccines or enough clinics open in time.

Remember, only a day or two before the unfortunate death of the 13-year-old boy, more than half of the population said they don't plan to get the shot. This is not a mandatory immunization and the wishes of those against the flu shots are respected. So the numbers of vaccines and clinics are ordered and set up accordingly based on the stats. Now everyone is panicking and swarming to the clinics. No wonder Health Canada hasn't had the time to respond to the influx of vaccine demands yet.

It's so easy to blame the authorities for everything. When they first told us H1N1 could be very serious and encouraged everyone to get vaccinated, most people just brushed the advice right off like they always do. Now with one death everyone is doing a 180 degree turnabout and complaining/blaming. This is just human nature and there's nothing to be done about it.


Chris in Ajax
said

I must agree with Logan here. The gov't through the media has created this swine flu monster and whipped everyone up into a tizzy so that they feel they need the shot. Instead of working people up, how about the health units work on administering the vaccine effectively? Disaster capitalism at its best. It makes you wonder who is making money on this... someone is raking it in hand over fist. All paid for by you "Joe Public".


John Meloche
said

To Logan: That statement is retarded. No one has said we're all going to die without it. I have very little doubt you were one of them adding to the infestation of idiots who came and prevent all the HIGH RISK people form getting vaccinated.

The reason for all the chaos today is for the same reason people park in handi-capped spots when they arent handicapped, people park in the firelanes for only a few minutes and people butt in line because their friends are ahead. Because everyone thinks they are more important than the rest of us. SELFISH PEOPLE!

Today was meant for HIGH RISK people. Not just people are more scared than others.


Mathieu
said

I was one of the early bird people and showed up at north york approx 10am, manage to just barely be at the doors, and get my shot, people knew from across the country there would be lines, i waited 5 hrs, and im a high risk person living with hiv, i saw several people who didnt deserve the shot period right away, and what was more sad, they even turned away nurses, and btw the never opened the clinics early, and they only got 20 nurses working, it's lame, it's brutal and wrong, Ontario has to make clinics 24 hrs, or else face people getting sick, hmmm higher medical bills, or run clinic, i say run clinics, dont u?


Linda
said

It seems strange that there is no way of getting a shot when your in the chronic illness catagory. Most of us are working and can't take a full day off to get a shot. Also, don't you think we will get sick standing out side for hours. I couldn't do it anyway. I guess I will be one of the ones who ends up not getting a shot as my family doctor can't give it out.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

Stupidity marches on... A city the size of Toronto with two clinics!

It is a wonder they don't just have one for all of Canada --- maybe located it in rural PEI... That would show about as much foresight.


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