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CTV National News: Roger Smith on the response
Defence Minister Peter MacKay responded to the allegations made by an ex-diplomat that Canada knew Afghan detainees were being tortured by attacking the credibility of the evidence supporting the claim.
Power Play: Defence Minister Peter MacKay
Defence Minister Peter MacKay responds to the testimony of ex-diplomat Richard Colvin that outlined alleged routine torture practices in Afghanistan by Afghan intelligence forces.
CTV News Channel: Kamran Bokhari, Stratfor
The alleged abuse of Afghan detainees after Canadian soldiers handed them to local authorities may undermine Canada's image in the region as an unwilling partner in the war on terror.
Power Play: Are Afghan detainees being tortured?
Graeme Smith of The Globe and Mail and Murray Brewster of The Canadian Press discuss the evidence of torture practices being carried out in Afghanistan
CTV News Channel: Paul Champ, lawyer
A human rights lawyer reacts to defence minister arguing that there is no evidence behind Afghan detainee torture allegation.
CTV News Channel: Tom Clark on Tory reaction
The host of CTV's Power Play describe how the Conservatives have gone into full defensive-mode as opposition MPs grill the feds about their knowledge of detainee torture allegations.
CTV News Channel: Liberals grill Tories on detainees
The Conservative government faced intense criticism during question period on Thursday following a set of explosive allegations from a former diplomat who says Afghan intelligence forces tortured every detainee handed over to them by Canadian forces.
CTV News Channel: Bloc MPs grill Tories on detainees
The Conservative government faced intense criticism during question period on Thursday following allegations that Afghan intelligence forces tortured every detainee handed over to them by Canadian forces.
CTV News Channel: NDP MPs grill Tories on detainees
The Conservative government faced intense criticism during question period on Thursday following allegations that Afghan intelligence forces tortured every detainee handed over to them by Canadian forces.
CTV News Channel: Graeme Smith, Globe and Mail
A reporter with the Globe and Mail says the allegations against the federal government hurts Canada's credibility and can affect Canadian troops on the battlefield.
Canada AM: Bob Rae and Laurie Hawn
Foreign affairs critic Bob Rae and the Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence, Laurie Hawn weigh in on the allegations against the Tories and whether the testimony of Richard Colvin is credible.
Canada AM: Amir Attaran, University of Ottawa
A law professor with the University of Ottawa says a top Canadian diplomat who claims the Canadian government has covered up the torture of Afghan detainees is in fact risking his job with his allegations and the issue be will a top objective of the federal opposition parties in the weeks to come.
CTV National News: Roger Smith on the testimony
A senior diplomat has accused the Canadian government of knowingly turning over detainees to Afghan prison torturers, and then covering it up. The testimony came from Richard Colvin, currently at the head of intelligence at the Canadian embassy in Washington.
Question period: Liberal MPs question the Tories
Liberal MPs grill the Conservatives during question period on Wednesday over whether the government knew of detainee torture in Afghanistan and tried to cover-up the matter.

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Date: Thu. Nov. 19 2009 10:56 PM ET

A day after a former diplomat made explosive allegations that Ottawa was aware of routine torture practices in Afghanistan, the Conservatives attacked his credibility, saying there was "no evidence" to support the claims.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay defended the government from Richard Colvin's allegations, who testified under oath that torture by Afghan intelligence forces was endemic over a two-year period.

The Tories have rejected calls for a public inquiry into the allegations.

"This is a witch hunt," MacKay said, replying in Parliament to accusations from Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh.

However, MacKay was forced to concede that Colvin's reports on torture helped convince the government to work out a new prisoner transfer agreement two years ago.

Colvin has also been trusted with a top level intelligence job at the Canadian embassy in Washington and MacKay said he could not answer why the official was given a top job even though the government was attacking his credibility.

During an interview on CTV's Power Play on Thursday, MacKay said that Colvin's accusations were based on information which may have been propagated by Taliban sources.

"Serious allegations require serious investigation," MacKay said.

However, when pressed on the fact that Ottawa did in fact alter the practice of transferring prisoners after Colvin's concerns were made public, MacKay said that "other sources helped substantiate that evidence."

However, The Canadian Press reported that top officials from Ottawa discussed the possibility that Kandahar's then-governor was involved in torture in 2006. The concerns were later dismissed.

One source told CP that the gathering took place at the Privy Council Office and was attended by Harper's security adviser at the time, Margaret Bloodworth.

MacKay slammed Colvin for not raising his concerns on the torture issue in person while in Afghanistan.

Colvin said he voiced his concerns through the proper channels and when cabinet ministers visited Afghanistan, his job was to make sure their trip went smoothly.

"It would be inappropriate, I think, to come and ruin their visits by saying 'Hey, you know detainees are being tortured with electricity,'" he said.

The allegations

Dosanjh claimed that the Conservatives were either hiding the truth or completely intentionally ignorant.

"It is unthinkable that the prime minister and the ministers did not know," said Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh. "Willful blindness Mr. Speaker, is cover-up too."

MacKay denied the accusation, saying: "We inherited a situation that was very difficult with respect to the handling of Taliban prisoners. What we did was act upon advice from a number of diplomats, including the ambassador."

He added that the government has invested in the Afghan justice system and worked to provide proper training in the handling of prisoners.

"To suggest that every single Taliban prisoner was tortured is not credible," MacKay said.

Colvin, now a Washington-based senior intelligence officer, told a House of Commons committee Wednesday that from 2006 to 2007, it was standard practice for Afghan authorities to torture their detainees.

Back then, Colvin served in the No. 2 diplomatic post in Afghanistan for an 18-month period. He said he repeatedly told Ottawa in writing about torture allegations, but he was ignored. He claimed that he was asked to stop putting his accusations in writing.

MacKay dismissed this as "ridiculous," and "completely unsubstantiated."

During question period, MacKay alleged Colvin did not have first-hand evidence of any abuse against prisoners that were transferred, and could not confirm if marks observed on prisoners stemmed from abuse.

"There (are) incredible holes in the story that have to be examined," MacKay said.

"There is not one bit of evidence, not a scintilla, that points to mistreatment of Taliban prisoners by the Canadian Forces."

He said that the government changed the system in Afghanistan more than two years ago.

"When we've had specific allegations of abuse, we've acted, and we will not tolerate proven evidence of abuse," said Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon, who was in Kabul for the inauguration of Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

According to what Colvin told the special committee on Afghanistan, prisoners were beaten and subjected to electric shocks. And in some cases, the roundup of detainees resulted in innocent people being tortured, which Colvin says has eroded Canada's standing among Afghans.

"In my judgment, some of our actions in Kandahar, including complicity in torture, turned local people against us," Colvin said.

"Instead of winning hearts and minds, we caused Kandaharis to fear the foreigners."

Globe and Mail reporter Graeme Smith, who has reported extensively on Afghanistan, told CTV News Channel that Canada definitely has a poor reputation in parts of the war-ravaged country because of the torture issue.

"All these people are getting tortured, it's not a secret in Kandahar. Everybody knows about it," Smith said during an interview on Thursday morning.

"And so, that hurts our reputation and makes it harder to win the war."

Colvin says he filed repeated reports to Ottawa about the torture issue, though the most senior members of the government say they did not see them in 2006.

Colvin said he and other diplomats were discouraged from filing paper reports, which were often revised to the point where they could "no longer write that the security situation in Afghanistan was deteriorating."

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RVH
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Time will tell if this is true or not. From past scandals, this sounds more like Liberal's trying to make news story and bring critisism to the Conservatives and would not be at all supprised if it were so. Hopefuly not but none the less.


Mike in Mississauga
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It certainly does not surprise me that the Conservative Party of Canada is once again trying to blame everyone else for their mistakes. I have made many mistakes in my life, and I was taught that the morally correct thing to do is to admit to my mistakes, then do what I can to fix it. It simply disgusts me that once again, the Conservative Party of Canada would rather put their efforts to destroying the reputation of a well respected civil servant rather than do what is morally correct, a patern I continually see with this government.


john white
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Torture is a crime commited by evil,vile people. Being an accessary to this terrible deed is absolutely disgusting.

'V' - the Harper Story on Tuesday nights
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Harper thinks preventing diplomats from putting anything in writing will cover things up? Each and every day he's allowed to remain atop this minority govt., we drift further and further into what is essentially a dictatorship here in Canada. He tries to control all information in and out and somehow he never heard this information. What a blatant lie! This is not what we sent our troops to Afghanistan for - stop the Conservatives from tarnishing our soldiers' good name! Stand up and stand proud for Canada! Vote strategically next time and vote the Conservatives out!


Pip
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Certainly, prisoners handed over to Afghan authorities should not be tortured. I do, however, have a memory of the rules imposed by NATO or the UN, requiring that Canada hand over those prisoners, and once handed over were no longer Canada's responsibility . Perhaps another poster could supply accurate information. I am surprised, actually, that the rules of engagement for our troops with regard to this matter were not part of the article. Let's face it, a valid opinion cannot be formed without ALL the facts.


AlbertaBoy111
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Disgusting. I once loved Canada and was so proud to call myself canadian. I am utterly appauled that Canada of all places would be involved in this. Heads will roll. I have never been so sad to be Canadian. Torture is wrong under the geneva convention. Either people go to jail or Harper withdraws Canada from the Geneva convention. And if that happens I go with it.


Bill in BC
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This is nothing more than a desperate attempt by the opposition to undermine the legitimate government. This fellow is an ex-diplomat and was appointed by the Liberals (remember the term "Liberal mandarin"?) and is now trying to score points as he's no longer employed as a diplomat. Credibility of this character=NONE.More points: the law requires that the detainees be transferred to the legal - civilian - govenment of Afghanistan. Our role=negligable.Time to move on.


AlbertaBoy111
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The Liberals stole millions of dollars from taxpayers in an attempt to prevent Quebec from splitting from Canada. The Conservatives covered up an essentially condoned Canadian handing over prisoners for torture abroad. Pick your poison. One in the interest of Canada. One in the interest of breaking international law. What kind of Canada do you want?


Jim Lad
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Just a few points to put things in perspective here.

1) These events were supposed to have taken place at a time when westerners were being beheaded on global television.
2) Not only were this diplomats claims unsubstantiated at the time but they remain unsubstantiated to this day.
3) Whistle blowing is quite often no more than a career move.
4) Your country is at war. The Government doesn't get to tell its side. Not really. Nor should this individual.
5) This looks a lot like the Karl Heinz Schreiber circus.They've managed to come up with a different clown but the act is the same.You know, the opposition has played this game before and lost.


Richard
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So, the other alternative is never go there in the first place and then people get tortured anyway for some other reason. There's only so much babysitting we can do when you're dealing with corrupt and barbaric people in power. It's sad, but it's nothing new - just new on the news.


simon
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@ PIP, If you hand over the Prisoners to the Afghans and you know full well that they are going to be Tortured, you are an accessory to the CRIME!!! And to continue to do this over a THREE Year period makes matters worse.!!Colvin has Credibility, very much so. He was PROMOTED to a SENIOR Intelligence Position at the Embassy in Washington DC....Evidently, there has been relentless attempts to COVER THIS UP ever since this matter arose in Parliament quite some time ago.


AlbertaBoy111
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"I do, however, have a memory of the rules imposed by NATO or the UN, requiring that Canada hand over those prisoners, and once handed over were no longer Canada's responsibility . Perhaps another poster could supply accurate information. "Just to clear up your question that is the law. However if they are being handed over and being tortured it is not only international law but Canadian law that we do not hand them over. The Danish did this right. Upon suspecting torture they had the detainees monitored extensivly to ensure they were not party to this heinous act. Similar to what Canada did 18 months after finding they were being tortured, and coincidentaly only after those reports surfaced to the public.


Paul
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I can't get over how so many claim to support our troops and our initiative over in Afghanistan, but insist we should be combatting such evil with what?...flowers, petitions, Hallmark cards and nasty letters to the Taliban and Al Qaeda ?? I'm sure they realize they've already won....just a matter of a little time. Sheesh!


Fred - Brandon MB
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Enough self-righteous grand-standing already. What else do we do with Afghan detainees.


Mike Webster, Mississauga
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Most Canadians couldn't give a darn about what Afghan authorities did to terrorist suspects captured by our troops. I just wish that the likes of Bob Rae and other bleeding hearts cared half as much about our troops as they seem to care about our enemies. I'd say it's shameful but the Liberals have no shame to speak of.


Gerry
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Among the CANADIAN casualties thus far....a diplomat. Mr. Taliban and his affiliated brethren care not a tinkers damn about how many men, women and children they kill.Meddlesome political correctoids should do a six month stretch with the armed forces in Afghanistan. Their tune would certainly change.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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These comments are another example of how far the new reformed conservatives will go to defend an enept government. More and more we are losing the peacekeeping image that separated us from the many. Now the world is seeing a Canada that condones torturistic acts. Thats not my Canada.


David from Edmonton
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Those that turned a blind eye to the torture, especially when they were repeatedly alerted to it by Mr. Colvin became accessories to the crime. Then they attempted to divert and cover up their guilt by trying to discredit and undermine Mr. Colvin's report. Mr. Harper, Mr. MacKay, Mr. Hawn et al - you disgust me!! Canada has an international black eye.


cam
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I see the Tories are using the same old tricks of trying too blur the lines between military and politics to cover their behinds.The military is a apolitical organization.They don't ask if you a card carrying Tory when you enlist.This decision was made by political operatives so please quit tarnishing those who serve with this trash.You dishonor their service that we all appreciate no matter what our political preference is.


Edmonton Jim
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This news story broke because of the testimony of a senior diplomat at a parlimentary committee. I am very concerned about the lack of action, and the coverup that this government was involved in for over a year and a half. This could put future Canadian POW's at risk in a future conflict, as it stains our international reputation.


Eugen, Toronto
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It seems lately to be customary in the Foreign Affairs to censor there own people before they report inconvenient facts to the Minister or Government because it creates additional work and responsibilities. It seems to me also by other cases reported recently in the media that it is becoming a culture there to wet, delay and ignore forwarding information to elected officials such as a Minister, in cases that later prove to have damaging effects on Canada’s reputation. I strongly believe that in this case (it is not a matter who is in the Government torries or liberals), we are facing a serious problem and that it is a need to establish clear protocols in view that indeed the elected officials make decisions on first hand information as they should. I myself was overseas in various capacities and seen with my own eyes how damaging can be if the information forwarded is not first hand or is ignored. I hope we will be able to learn a lesson from this.


kevin in vancouver
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What do you want done?Catch and release so they can behead some teachers, plant some ied's or maybe throw some acid on school girls?1. Did any Canadian soldier torture anyone?No2. Did any canadian soldier sodomize any young boys?No3. Did any Canadian soldier knowingly turn over an Afgan that was innocent?NoThese Afgani's are not believers in the same principles we are. They torture, rape and committ atrocities on each other and always have.Maybe we should withhold aide from all countries that practice torture, that repress democracy or how about countries that practice female genital mutilation. Hey we sent millions to somalia and they're still stoning people.I know we're going to hear calls to establish a canadian prison over there or worse bring all detainees back here for processing.This is ridiculous!


Inquiring
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Is it me or does this article make no reference to how these people were tortured?


Marc - Toronto
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Again Canadian media reporting what someone says instead of reporting facts looking for the truth or balanced reporting. CTV and other media organizations have been in Afghanistan from the beginning. Why did they miss all of this? Seems to me any of the news media agencies would have been all over this if it were true or even if there was a rumour of this at the time. What a story!!! However they did not, so either our media is part of the conspiracy to hide the information or they just missed it.What the real story here. Why did this diplomat leave canada to work for a washington? Was he disgruntled? was he fired? Is he a liberal supporting public servant? He now claims to be alturistic but why didn't he sound the alarm back then? Wasn't that his job?


WestVan
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Let's have some context here. Just what was Canada's Government or military was supposed to do? Canada is fighting a war in Afghanistan, not Norway or Switzerland. Canada is dealing with an Afghan government, and Afghan military and Afghan culture that are 500 years behind the squeaking clean standards the Western world establishes for itself. The only alternative would have been to turn Afghanistan into a Western colony where we would control the government and the prisons and Canadians being both the administrators and the guards. I doubt the Canadian public would have supported that move! Would everyone prefer that we ship the detainees back to Canada (a northern Guantanamo Bay) or build or own prisons in Afghanistan (a Canadian Abu Ghraib)? Good luck with those ideas. Yet this new revelation will only serve one purpose: to have the Canadian Government and the Canadian public abandon Afghanistan, once and for all, and abandoning its people to barbaric Taliban rule. Think Cambodia, Somalia or Rwanda. These countries were abandoned and millions died soon afterwards, but at least we kept our hands clean, right?


Inkmont
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If this is true it's terrible and severe action is called for but I watched the committee yesterday and it was allegations based on information from unidentified "very reliable sources." I didn't see concrete evidence: names, dates, corroborating witnesses, specific incidences--the kind of thing that moves testimony from allegations to fact. I was expecting to see this kind of supporting evidence and I certainly hope the committee will require it to form a judgment.


AlbertaBoy111
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"Enough self-righteous grand-standing already. What else do we do with Afghan detainees."Maybe try NOT letting them be tortured. Just a thought.


We haven't received our instructions yet
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Interesting how our usual Reformed Conservative suspects aren't posting today on this story ... wait until tomorrow once Harper HQ has given the marching/posting orders to their paid bloggers on what to flood the Comments section with.


Jason fromSask
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While serving in the "Ghan" I had a chance to see some prisioners.The Afghan people are adamant on taking car of their own problems. We are there to assist. Who are we to dictae how a culture that is far older then ours do business. I am not saying that torture is right or that they are right. The the Afghans have a warlord type culture. This is not going to change over night. What would you have soliders do with prisioners? We do not have the manpower or facilities to house these criminals.


Douglas
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Having watched the performance of this man before the committee, I am puzzled why the media cannot or will not comment on how incredible his testimony was. First he says that ordinary Afghan civilians were routionely turned over to be tortured. Later he says that if they actually were Taliban, they still shouldn't be tortured. Just guessing again? So were they or weren't they. According to him his so called tortured prisoners went back to their prison talking and joking with their guards. Some torture. Most stunning t of all was his admission that most of the prisoners he'd actually seen were never in Canadian custody. His testimony contained very little evidence and a whole lot of his personal views and bitching about problems with his superiors.


Poper
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Why should we care? This is war not reform school. As one of your lib-left leaders Pierre Trudeau once said, "let the bleeding hearts bleed". Short of bringing the prisoners back here and put them in the welfare system does anyone have an answer to thousands of years of culture that runs against the grain of ours. Let's give our heads a shake. Can you imagine this nice guy mentality during WW11, it would still be going on. Let's not waste another dime or minute on this.


Sensible
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This is not a Liberal/Conservative issue. This is a right/wrong issue and where we stand as Canadians. Instead of shooting the messenger, the government should be addressing the problem. Surely, no right thinking Canadian of any political stripe agrees with torture. Canada stands for at least that much.


John from Saskatoon
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Regardless of if there was torture are not this is not a war crime issue as these people are not prisoners of war.The Geneva Convention does not apply. Stop the rhetoric. We probably in hind sight should have given them to the Americans to take to Guantanamo.


John from saskatoon
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One diplomats report does not a gospel make. How about hard evidence that people handed over by Canadians were tortured. Not second or third hand accounts by terrorists. What type of country do we live in where we take the word of terrorists, murders, child killers etc. Does this diplomat not think that maybe these prisoners may have an agenda. Possibly turning public opinion against the mission. No not these poor misjudged people. If this is all true why didn't the Liberals do something about it when they were in power. I would guess it didn't start in 2006. Were they willfully blind or too busy covering their butts over all the money they stole from the tax payers.


The Other Lowell in BC
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On the subject of coverup, the conservative strategy is to discredit the witness and deny deny. We see the same pattern emerging with the diplomat Richard Colvin. The main point in all of this which seems to have escaped many folks is that Canada lives by a charter of human rights an freedoms. No where in that charter do I read that it is ok to torture folks to extract information from them. Does the Geneva convention apply in this war. It prohibits torture. For conservative MP's and supporters to be so blase about this subject raises moral issues. Canada should be setting a good example in the world as it has in the past and turning a blind eye to torture practices in Afghanistan is not a good example.


John from Saskatoon
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Give the thumbs down people. It's still not a war crime. The Geneva Convention does not apply. Fact whether you like it or not. Why do you support Colvins report of hear say but think that my stating fact is wrong. Sorry i'm not a Liberal.


Observer
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@Rick in NB, Ste MarieThe so-called Canadian reputation for peacekeeping is a myth forced upon us by self-righteous, left-wing ideologues and perpetuated by well-meaning but naive Canadians who have never wandered far enough from our borders to test that alleged reputation in the world. I have travelled far and wide for many years and have never heard any of acknowledgement or praise, at the mention of my homeland, for our so-called peacekeeping efforts. It is in fact an unknown for foreigners, who associate us with snow and hockey, maybe the Mounties and thats about it. Any international respect militarily that our nation had pre-Afghanistan was fought for and earned on the battlefield in WW1 & WW2, not for donning blue beretsAs for this scandal, lets see how far this actually goes before we start throwing shoes at the Canadian military. As various people have pointed out, one man's words don't constitute proof.


Michel (Ottawa)
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Here we go again with the left bleedingheart liberals wasting time in the house which translates into wasting cash arguing a moot point all in the name of garnering a few ethnic votes.Afghanistan is not the 14th province or territory of Canada. Last time I checked they were an independent nation with a government of their own. I'd be curious to hear what the bleeding hearts would be saying if a foreign governement started meddling in Canada's internal affairs.These same liberals will be crying blue-murder someday blaming the governement for wasting money when in fact the same liberals are the cause of most of the money wasting.Get over it folks and let's focus on Canada.


peyton, kentville
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really people, who cares, they are taliban, they deserve whatever they get....as if were concerned for their safty. y'all need to pick a side...let our military do the great job there doing.


Raymond
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Slapping one's face would be considered torture by a Liberal.


James
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This is a non-issue. Continue on to something more important... like getting our country out of a recession.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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Another political tennis match...with no ball.


the old lady
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If Mr. Colvin knew about all this torture in 06/07 why is he just telling us about it now? How does he know every single prisoner was tortured? If that is true maybe he should be brought to task for not coming forward while he was in Afghanistan. Of course he is now working in the USA.More barn yard fodder for the opposition to stand up and holler like little kids in the House of Commons.No maybe not if kids behaved like that they would be sent to their room to contemplate their bad behaviour.


Brad in Windsor
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Yes, let's skip a public inquiry and just cut to the chase -- send these torture appeasers to The Hague!


Sam Winsor
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I can't believe how dimwits and halfwits from both sides are talking about things you know nothing about; and indeed, should know nothing about. Political opportunism, now that is a real shame to Canada. And that goes for both sides as well.


C from Ottawa
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During the time in question (2006-2007) the camp in Kandahar was saturated with Canadian media, many who were embedded with and joined Canadian soldiers on operations. What is the liklihood that this alleged torture was going on with the knowledge of the military but not of the media? Extremely unlikely...or was the media (including CTV) part of the cover-up?


reece
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"There is no evidence" that I cheated on my taxes over the past 3 years either. Unless somebody has some evidence that I have been, no investigation is neccessary. I'm sure you'll find lot's of dirt on me when or if you do investigate.


Doug @ BC
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This is a distrbing story for almost every Canadian.I would urge ALL Canadians and ALL political parties to be very careful about making this an issue for ANY partisan political party.As I see it today,these are "allegations".Before anyone cast negative posts in ANY direction,we would all be better off by waiting for all the information to come forward.It is worth it to remember that IF these allegations are true of the Canadian government,it is not only the Conservative government that has a lot of questions to answer.The governments in the UK and the Netherlands have been following the same process for handling detainees.And I suspect more NATO nations are doing the same thing.It is also worth remembering that,iof these allegations are true,there are Generals and military people involved.At this time,I find it hard to believe that ALL of those people are lying about this. Like the original debate on the Afghanistan mission,I truely believe we must get to the truth WITHOUT the usual partisanship.This issue is to important to be used as a politcal tool by ANY party.The damage done in China may already be to difficult to un-do.They will use this issue to punish Canada economically,just as they used the issue of the honourary citizenship of the Dhali Lama from Tibet. Let's get to the truth here.But I urge ALL Canadians to be very wary of people like Ujjal Dosanjh or Bob Rae,who will willing use this issue,and spin it any way they can,for their own political purposes.This issue MUST transcend party politics.Partisanship is NOT AN OPTION.


Patricia
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The Conservatives will find a way to put enough spin on this story so that they come away from it smelling like a rose. They always manage to put a face on their misdeeds to disguise and camouflage them.


anson5
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To all the bleeding heart liberals out there worried about the geneva convention, do you think the taliban obeys the convention when it comes to the capture on U. N. troops?


Bakedpot8o
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Ill hold off addressing the allegation of abuse, but the state of Afghanistan is not good. What the eff are we doing there? Who are we supporting; corrupt Karzai and his drug dealing brother? Britian seems to be willing to accept that a future Afghanistan government will definitely contain members of the Taliban, and yet Canadian are dying to protect what? It is becoming more and more clear that this is a war about American resources and Caspian oil, with little to do about exporting democracy to the world. If we were exporting democracy, we wouldnt be supporting the fraudulent governemnt of Karzai.


Vince Em
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Colvin is a patsy to the Al Queda playbook. Their training manual says they must always claim being tortured when imprisioned and ensure this information gets back to Western countries because we are weak. Colvin by his own admittance is working off heresay; he has never seen anyone tortured nor seen the physical results of any torture, yet for some reason Canadians are prepared (as Al Queda predicted) to believe the terrorist over the empherical. We are indeed weak.


Afghan Vet
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This is a smear game attempt by the Liberals to gain votes. They again are not thinking of our Armed Forces. We have have never abused any Afghan prisoners, or have been accused of such, but now we fall into the same pot as Afghan prison guards, and police. We were sent over there by the Liberals, and from the start we were not mandated to overhaul the Afghan prison system...or given a ounce of support to do so from the Liberals. When the PCs came in power, at least some safer equipment showed up for us. I was there in 2006, and watched our Canadian boys handle these insurgents, caught red handed during battle, with kid gloves. We would even put them in the few vehicles we had with AC, like a G Wagon, , while most of us Canadians swealtered in 50 degree C heat with all our combat gear on. We even had special meals that we could give them, so they would not have to eat pork, same for the Muslims working with us.This 2nd in charge head houcho, they say was on the front lines in 2006...well I was on the real front lines, and your picture does not look familiar. BS


Bill
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With regard to those of our 'honorable' leaders who turned a blind eye and who contunue to cover up and be abetters to sickening abuses carried out in foreign lands, I'd like to see them subjected to the same treatment for long enough to gain a real appreciation for what they've been complicit in.


JSL
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I personally could'nt care less. They shouldn't be taking any prisoners. Deal with them there.


mike campbell
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this what makes me so mad this guy comes out of no place a lib appointed abbasador after 5 years with this earth shatering news that realy is not news because in 2007 when the cons heard about this they changed the rules that the LIBS set up


Kevin in Waterloo
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MacKay is quoted as saying, "There is not one bit of evidence, not a scintilla, that points to mistreatment of Taliban prisoners by the Canadian Forces." Colvin is not suggesting that CF members themselves conducted torture. What he is stating is that the CF handed detainees over to Afghan officials who conducted the torture, in contravention of the Convention on Torture, Article 3 which states: 3.1. No State Party shall expel, return ("refouler") or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture. 3.2. For the purpose of determining whether there are such grounds, the competent authorities shall take into account all relevant considerations including, where applicable, the existence in the State concerned of a consistent pattern of gross, flagrant or mass violations of human rights. Canada is a signatory to this convention. The issue is whether or not there is ample reason to think that Afghanistan might be routinely, if not always, torturing its detainees. Colvin's comments are backed up by even the reporter's statements that torture is commonplace in Kandahar province. "Where there is smoke there is fire" - a responsible government would have investigated and ceased transfers until such time as the allegations could be proven or disproven.To think the govt of the day didn't know is preposterous.


t.brady
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its the taliban......come on...are they even people, why should we care about them. lets not forget what they do to people and our brave men and women.


Fred - Brandon MB
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How much bigger our deficit would be if we called an inquiry every time the opposition demanded one. It seems like they are asking for an inquiry every week. They are desperate to find some dirt to throw at the Conservatives.Well, keep digging!


Edmonton Jim
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Cover up, hide, stall, and intimidate the public service. Is this the type of open and accountable government we want---I think not! A public inquiry is needed NOW!


Wakeup
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Time will not tell us the truth, due to the fact that the government steadfastly refuses to even consider sharing the truth with the public.They work VERY eagerly to ensure that they show us anything BUT the truth. Particularly in situations where they are dead wrong in the position or actions.Herd the sheep......and use the wool to pull over their eyes, and they will follow blindly.


Jesse
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Half of the people who post on here need to get a grip. Really, here are the facts: CANADIAN SOLDIERS did NOT torture ANYONE. And, our Soldiers, no less the Prime Minister, can be held responsible for the actions of some tribal, back-country Afghans with too much time on their hands. Straight up, I spent 4 years in Iraq. And, if you haven't been to the volatile countries of this area of the world, you have no comment on news items such as this. War is in these people's blood, control is in these people's blood. And, we can pull out now and leave Afghanistan and Iraq to fall apart. And, they will fight each other for years to come. But, when they get sick of fighting each other (again), they'll come looking for us. Fear-mongering --- no, just some bloody reality for a few idiots who think that they know what they are talking about on here.


Wade Ens: Colvin - Peoon syndrome
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Colvin has peon syndrome because every one ignores him so the story gets bigger


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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John from Saskatoon, According to you, it's OK to torture people because their not covered by the Geneva Convention, then you claim the torture is hearsay anyway. Try making a point . But that's quite a code you live by. Here's something you'll never understand. Why should we carry out our mission with honour, because we are civilized human beings. And civilized people don't act like animals.


Andy Kanata
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Were Afgan prisoners handed over by the Canadian military tortured by the Afghans? Without a doubt. Did some Canadian politicians know about this? Without a doubt. Should we spend time and money on a public inquiry to determine the 'truth'? Absolutely not. This story is years old. Many things have been improved on since then. But these things are happening in Afghanistan. The country is run by the Afghans and the rules in that country are made by the Afghans. We have no business telling them how to run their affairs. What do you think it would be like in this country if it were torn apart by war? What would we do if there were suicide bombers running around the streets? What would we do if innocent people in this country were being murdered by militants? What would we do to protect ourselves and our loved ones? What would we think about torture then?


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
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I would not be surprised that to learn that the taliban are sitting laughing at all this!This talk of torture is ALL second hand information given by the enemy! No proof that this took place. These prisoners were taken because they were trying to kill our soldiers. I do not believe what they say without facts and witnesses that are credible.


allan
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I believe it is irresponsible for the Libs/ndpto rely on the testimony of one person, who, by his own admission, doesnt have any proof. Imagine Rae and Desonjh in government when all they rely on is rumours and university "experts"for information? Scary thought


Island Man
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Typical Harper defense is to attack the messenger and try to destroy their credibility instead of taking ownership of the problem and providing answers. I agree an investigation into this torture allegation is required immediately. Anything else is typical Con behaviour trying to point the blame elsewhere. Remember "It's not my fault" Flaherty when he destroyed billions in seniors savings in Income Trusts. It seems it's never their fault..tey can't take responsibility for their own actions.


Rodger Berge
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Last time I checked -- this is war.I am not sure this kind of news story needs to be written and doesn't show support for our troops.Keep up the good work.Hope it is over soon and we are able to get everyone home


Anglo-Saxon 1
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You Canadians are the biggest suckers on the planet. You are being played by the Taliban. Better get the blinders off people and start thinking out side the box. Trust me.


Dave in Courtenay
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If turning Afghan prisoners over to Afghans was disallowed because of the likelihood of torture, then the Taliban would have a guaranteed formula for winning: simply gather as many locals as they could, and have them surrender to Canadian military authorities. We would be so inundated with the responsibility of holding and caring for these millions, we would simply have to give up and go home.


Zhimmy
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Again...Yesterday these guys were planting roadside bombs and using civilian clothes to fight a war. So I should care why?


JeffDaChef
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We definitely need an inquiry. The support for covering up crimes against humanity is overwhelming amongst the conservatives and the military. Expose their corruption.


AlbertaBoy111
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Only someone guilty of a coverup would refuse an inquiry. What other reason could they have? If they are innocent that would be proven and they would have a huge bombshell to drop on the opposition. Refusing just speaks to guilt.


EricB
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Even if this is true (which I have my doubts), why is this even an issue? They are afghans acting upon afghans of which they have authority. We are not there to run prison camps or direct how the afghan authorities treat their citizens. Sickening and revolting as it may be to us, they do a heck of a lot worse to others and we're not all up in arms freaking out about it.


Pat - Ottawa
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There is a difference between torture and corporal punishment. While all corporal punishment is probably a form of torture, not all torture is a form of corporal punishment. The key difference is intent. I believe the alleged actions by the Afghans were corporal punishment. I do not think they had any intent to achieve sadistic pleasure. That all the individuals that were turned over to the Afghan security forces by any of the ISAF forces were guilty was for them self-evident, and I would agree. In fact, if Afghans accepted finger prints or gun shot residue tests as evidence all these individuals would be conflicted of murder or attempted murder, without question.


daveyboy
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I'll tell you who we should feel sorry for. Everyone that read this article. You want to talk about torture. I just wasted 2 min of my time reading about a group of Liberal whiners talk about how a group of their criminal brothers has been tortured or mistreated. What other political party wound defend or stand up for the rights of a criminal or a terrorist. It shouldn't surprise us as they've always had the best interest of the wrong doer at heart. and have been showing it for years. Nothing seems to change with this group of Clowns.


John from Saskatoon
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It is sad to see how completely uneducated and thicked headed to facts and truth that a number of Canadians are. The prisoners in Afgan custody were arrested. They are not lawfull soldiers fighting in a war that have been captured. The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms does not apply in Afghanistan nor in this case does the Geneva Convention. This is now a democratic country with it's own legal system. Because we don't run our system the way they do doesn't mean we can tell them what to do. We're not America. It doesn't work that way. We are arresting bad people and handing them to local authorities. That is the extent of our involvment. To say we are complicit in torture is idiotic, partisan, and downright offensive. When our soldiers come home why don't you ingrates line up and spit on them as well. Maybe you people should grow some b@#$s and enlist in the mil;itary and then maybe you can go over there and pat the guy on the back that just blew your buddy all to hell.


Richard in Ontario
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How does Dosanjh become the point man for every event that seems to have an ethnic base. He just barely won his seat in parliament and should be on the back benches cheering for Iggy.He seems to want to open any topic that he thinks can discredit the government and never seems to be able to give all the facts. This issue on the torture was put to bed long ago in this war and bringing it up every now and then is a method to troll for votes in the ethnic community. Must be the new bosses in Iggy's office, going back into their notes for mud to sling.


jim from manitoba
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here we go again, the liberals, taliban jack, and the bloc-heads calling for an inquiry into torture. whats next coming from these politicians, making peace with bin-laden?


Chad
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Murderous terrorists might have tortured. I doubt that the government had any knowledge. Just partisan politics. The terrorist must find it hilarious that the oppostion cares more about terrorists rights than the safety of its own citizens.I must be an evil person.I think that if one innocent life can be saved by torturing a terrorist, do it. What if it was a family member of a liberal that was saved? I bet they wouldn't have a problem with it. Or would they say don't torture that murderer, just let my family die.


charlie
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Well, so far no one says they actually saw, heard or interviewed anyone being/had been tortured. No one says they were present for any torture session. Even the star witness (who I wouldn't want as my star witness if I were prosecuting the case) has never said he saw any of the things he says were "routine" or common knowledge, nor does he say how he knows these things, nor did he ever bring them forward to the field personnel who may have been able to take immediate action, nor does he offer any reason or rationalle why he did not do these theings. This is not any good evidence - merely re-hashed allegations, rumour, half-truths etc. with just enough whiff of credibility for the Opposition to have a hand-wringing fit of extacy that they might have something to tar the government with, as they shamelessly seek to damage them. Where is Mr. Ignatieff in all this - strangely silent for the leader of the Liberal Party - maybe he knows this will ultimately implode and better to have Bobby Rae holding the bag than him. Why is Jack Layton, probably one of the better champions of human rights in this country, so quiet? How did the media miss this - they were in Afghanistan? How did tihose "sources" who are falling all over themselves takling to the reporters now, supposedly, manage to keep their past silence? Why has no qualification be done by the media of the "accuser"? Any cop will tell you that you first qualify the complainant before you go out arresting people. This is, more and more, looking like cheap opportunism on the part of the Opposition.


John from Saskatoon
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Rick in NB. Didn't say torture was ok. Did say to people hiding behind the Geneva Convention that it does not comply. These are not war crimes. The people are not POW's. This is a fact. now go back and watch your cartoons. you've probably had a hard day in kindergarden.


Sad state of affairs this Canada
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Can we please start sending detainees to live with our pathetic lefty liberal/NDP/Bloc MPs - maybe give each detainee a few (like maybe ten) million dollars for alleged abuse at the same time. Who do we make our cheque out to? Come on - we are "Canadian".


Hal
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The Liberals and NDP care more about protecting the low life terrorists than they standing up and protecting our troops.These cowardly losers are killing our boys!Do they want our troops to send the terrorists back to Canada so we house and feed them??? Maybe put them on welfare when they get out so they can become card carrying Liberals???This is Afghanistan's problem. Its their country.We have the same problem in Somalia. Our troops catch murdering kidnappers but then have to let them loose?


John from Saskatoon
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I cannot believe how one sided the media is on this issue. I'm watching Power Play and i'm going to throw up. These reporters are sitting here saying i've been in Afghanistan and I knew there was torture going on blah blah blah. If that's the case why are you only talking about it now that you can make it into a big story to add to whatelse is going on. Smacks of career opportunism to me. Didn't care about it enough a couple years ago to help these torture victims. I think one particular reporter just on mentioned he's writing a book on the issue. Nice plug by CTV.


james from winnipeg
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are our overpayed useless politicians blind? didnt they see the planes hitting the world trade centre, killing thousands including canadians. my question; WHO TORTURED WHO !


Dave H., Cornwall, Ontario
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Polital grandstanding at its best. I guess the fact that these prisoners are told to say they were tortured when they are released even if they weren't means little to some Canadians. Funny, they seem so outraged at the rights violations of these prisoners but don't seem to care about the violations commited against our soldiers or of the innocent civilians of Afghanistan. Perhaps the media could release a more un-biased and accurate report with ALL the facts, but we know this won't happen.


Jeremy
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We cannot let this total disregard for common human descency go unpunished. Just the mere fact that this concern was raised and is now an international mess, the least our elected officials should do is conduct a transparent, unbiased investigation into these allegations. I agree there are sensative security issues being dealt with here, but the reputation of Canada, untarnished will go much farther in protecting us from radicals such as these.


melissa
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The Conservative marketing strategy (which is based on lying) has gone too far. This is just way over the top. How can anyone ever hope to have a conversation when one side of the table (a minority side) believes it is okay to continuousy misinform. Our basic pride as Canadians -- as principled people-- is being eroded. So much hate...yuck. I don't care if it is only to get votes. It's what you've become to get them. Ugly.


JP - ex militray Proudn PeaceKeeper
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HMM being an ex militray policeman I know that cover-ups are very common in the militray - espically in the heigher ranks.For some one to say itis a Liberal trick - has to go back to school and grow up- Have we forgotten why the Air Borne was disbannded- Somilia- prisioner abuse -It time the Conservative stop lying to the people of Canada- They are amking Canada look more like USA -Why is Mr Harper not hoem dealing with this instead of looking like a idiot in India.We need an Independent inquiry into thsi - and MacKay has to be held accountable .


Jim Nethery
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Right, torture is bad. In the case of Canadian soldiers handing over prisoners. Is someone suggesting we shouldnt hand them over? What, maybe ship them off to Collins Bay pen? Tom Clark seems to be inordinately eager to paint the Tories as being complicit in war crimes. When minister McKay suggests that the allegations require the backup of evidence, he retorts that, "can you prove they werent tortured?" So, if I'm accused of murdering someone, I guess I'll have to prove that I didnt. Oops, forgot, in this country the onus is on the accuser. Have a nice week


Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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This is just another mouthpiece the Liberal's have dragged out from God know's where to drag out a bunch of old issue's that the government responded to after the last bunch of allegation's.It's hard to take this guy serious when he say's that every detainee that the Canadian troop's handed over was tortured .How can he substantiate these statement's? and furthermore doe's he not think that the already serving Canadian troops' there would not be offended by his remark's?.I know that if I were there serving my country and espousing our Canadian value's I would have a hard time handing a prisoner over to the Afghan authority's knowing this kind of abuse was taking place.My understanding is that there were concern's and that the proper step's were taken to alleviate these concern's to Canadian's,Did we not even build them a new jail?.These clown's don't give much credit to not only those fighting the battle's but those involved in the reconstruction effort.I wonder what the liberal's promised this guy for all his effort's?, it had to be sweet because it sound's more like a lot of hot air than fact and of course the liberal's are desperate to find anything to stick on the government as they aren't doing a very good job of tackling the big issue's like the economy so they desperately look for mud elsewhere.What a disgrace for an opposition as they provide no solid support for our military as they constantly find these non issue's to undermine their support at home.It make's you wonder if they are the Liberal Party or the N.D.P.


Inquiring
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To Anglo-Saxon 1:What do you propose we do? I believe in what you're saying. I fear most about our internal borders as I do outside them.


toronto1
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Well,I can tell you that I had 6 Taliban in my Lav and they smoked the last of my cigs and ate my wild pacific salmon ration pack.which is my favourite one. the truth is many of prisoners are free the very same day they are captured. Yep!


Daniel
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Of course they don't want an inquiry! If I made a huge "Cheney-esq" mistake I wouldn't want to shine a spot light on it either. Time and time again the CONS have showed thier true colors - and thats yellow, not blue. I don't care if its a war, I don't care if they are alleged al-queda or taliban members, torture is torture! Its morally and ethically wrong to have any participation (even if it is just typical CONservative complaceny) in it - but the CONS don't have morals that extend past trying to take rights away from one group (say the gays) and give more rights to another group (say the gun lobby) - if you think Harper or MacKay have any morals - just ask Omar Khadr... Oh wait, you can't because he is still in Gitmo!


Daniel
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Hey Albertaboy111- Rock On - I'm with ya!


Bob H from Petawawa
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I just watched some of "Power Play" It is a very good show and I know I can imagine Tom Clarke's frustration when he asks people (mainly politcians) and they skirt their questions. Anyways a fellow eluded to the Taliban as soldiers. "Not so! they are terrorists. Do soldiers chop off parts of childrens and womens' body parts for trying to get educated or vote? Do Soldiers shoot innocent women and children because they want to live a better life. I don't think so. No I don't agree with torture, But I do believe for those "Taliban soldiers, ( I use that term loosley for them) should be put to death After they have been proven guilty of using IEDs against all people including real solidiers, or killing innocent women and children or just innocent people in general. The Taliban are not soldiers plain and simple, they are Terrorists dirty rotten Terrorists. They don't deserve to live. But maybe those that think they, the Taliban deserve rights, they should take a tour around the world where Terrorists actually have done such attrocities. The Defence Minister said it right in The House about believing the prisoners, who throw acid in kids faces is crazy. If this makes be a bad person because of my beliefs so be it.


myles
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all this is, is the liberals trying to make themselves look better becuase they lost the respect of canada and why should we protect terrorists? when our soldiers get captured they are subject to far worse torture than what the afghans do to them.... the liberals and the ndp just like protecting criminals i guess


Bryan Voter
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As a Canadian taxpayer--I want to know what my goverment, regardless of political affilaition, is doing, saying and how they are acting.I want to know who they really are period.If I am being lied to I want to know it, and I will remember it at election time you can count on it.This issue is simply to important to simply say--naah..I don't think we should have an inquiry....It is us Canadian who are paying the billions of dollars to fund this campaign, it is our taxpayers who are fighting over there and losing their livces and being crippled and injured.Call an inquiry about this issue. If you do we will learn the truth as we have in other inquiries such as the incident in the Vancouver airport.Any party, regardless of which one--if they lie to me they will lose my vote next election period.Remeber mr and mrs politician...we put you all there--we can damn well remove you too.We have heard too many politician give "their version" of the facts.We demand transparency---we demand an inquiry Simple--if you don't I will remember that as well come election time.


Oneintheknow!
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Since Canadians haves short memories, I'll be the one to bring up a history lesson. The Conservatives INHERITED this policy from Paul Martins government. Rumors catch on like crazy in Afghanistan, and Colvin never actually witnessed tourture going on. Ask a bunch of murdering terrorists how much the like prison and I bet they will complain of mis-treatment. As for wounds on these prisoners, easily explained. Most of the fighters in the region do not just put their hands up and surrender, they are captured in battle, or shortly after trying to pass off as locals.International law bound us to hand over these prisoners to local athorites. If we simply kept them all we would have our own Gauntanamo Bay. Peter McKay is Lawyer by trade, he worked for the crown as a prosecutor! I'm sure he knows the law better then all of us writing on the wall.


Modust
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MacKay's word is worth nothing. The man sold out the PC party for his own petty gain and the hell with grass roots PCers. This man is a disgrace to politicians.


DHW
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It's not our country, and we're talking about un-uniformed combatants who neither adhere to nor are covered by the Geneva, etc. conventions. We did our part handing them over to the host country's authorities (another problem entirely). It is not the fault of either the troops or the government ) what happens after that; there is no breach of international law by our people.. The option is not to take prisoners in the first place, so it's no-win in the media for us no matter what.


view from northern bc
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I have to say Im amazed at what is transpiring here. Since when do we convict someone or some people on the word of the combatants we capture in the field? Isn't it a bit hypocritical to go just on the words of enemy combatants? No hidden objectives here? Where are the pictures and the individuals that seen it actually happen? I have yet to see them personally, a hose and chain in a room could possibly be props for the medias benefit. Could possibly be true that they were tortured but to tie it to canadian soldiers when the man couldn't say for sure if these were actually men taht the canadian miliary handed over is preposturous where is his evidence and i mean physical evidence not the word of the enemy and a few marks which quite possibly happpened before they even entered the prison as a way to turn public sentiment of the afgan population.I'm not saying that it hasnt happened but like our justice system here show me the proof not here say no matter who says it. Colville may be credible but also might be sticking some irons in the fire hoping for another patronage appointment like he was giving under the liberal government and also where were these allegations when the liberals were in power? You cant tell me that it just magically happened when the conservatives took power . Wake up people seems to me the media have a axe to grind with the present govt seems all doom and gloom with the present govt yet they didn't crow too much about the liberals and their theft of billions of taxpayers money that to this day has not been repaid and how amny of them went to jail for the theft of it?


Matt in Fort McMurray
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Is this really the CTV message board, open to the general public? It seems like it's the official message board of the Conservative Party. It's kinda odd that they have gotten less than 40% of the vote in the last two elections, yet posts from Conservatives make up about 90% of what I see here everyday. Anyone else find this a little strange?


Ryan from Calgary
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Vexing from this Canadian's standpoint is the fact that we are losing Canadians over there and this is the focus? This is important?? I say pull the troops and get out of there. Less severe but still a concern is the fact that all this will cost Canadian Tax Payers more money. If I remember correctly, (I might be mistaken) the reason for the original, American occupation (invasion, attack, etc.) was for Osama Bin Laden......now it is a peace mission that is getting more complicated and what has it solved?


Allen
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Who really cares what happens to Taliban killers when their own people have them. An eye for an eye are the rules that they live by, that is good enough for me. Let them take care of their own.


Lunt
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Is the opposition doing this to score points with the Taliban and other terrorists? Probably so because I fear our country is already brimming with them......


Rob
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Why do we keep sticking up for the criminlas and terorists. I'll bet alot of all these do gooders have never been out of Canada. Time for a reality check.


TS
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Here again is bias cloaked in journalism. I've decided to stop watching Power Play (which I used to like when Mike Duffy hosted it) because of Tom Clark's blatant Liberal bias. What used to be a good show has turned into a Liberal propaganda tool. Too bad. Yes, I know Duffy was Conservative, but at least he was fair.


ronin
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'Canada's New Government' ignored 17 seperate memos sent to 75 people about torture.Which is it, CONS - liars or incompetence?


TS
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Why doesn't the media focus on the good that Canadians are doing in Afghanistan? Could it be because it doesn't make overly dramatic news?


Garry in NS
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People need to do their homework. The Afghan government made it quite clear several years ago that they would not allow NATO to set up a prison on Afghan territory. Given that, what are our troops suppose to do with captured prisoners? Moreover, our troops do not have the capability to administer a prison. I would like to know what solutions the Liberals and NDP would have to this problem. It's one thing to rant and rave but it is quite another to come up with a viable solution.


Bill in BC
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I see the "usual suspects" are hard at it. One even dares to ask why there are so few conservatives on the site today? Maybe becasue they are all EARNING A LIVING instead of stilling at home on welfare!Whether or not some taliban freak was physically coerced is irrelevant. What is important is where is this wingnuts proof? Exactly, all he has is his own statements which are self contradictory. Credibility: ZERO.Time to move on to something based in reality.BTW, Don't even bother accusing me of being a "con, neo-con, hack" etc etc. I am a Crown Loyalist. But then you wouldn't have any clue what that means, so go back to crunching your granola, singing Kumbia, and huggin' trees.


BC Eastside Guy
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Alberta Brat Boy - fess up, your a Liberal staffer in Iggies office. Seems to me we are at war and have our troops in harms way. Anyone that tries to attack our democratic, elected government is a an enemy or traitor or Liberal which includes both of the above.It is abundantly clear that the only thing Liberal Freedom Freeloaders want is - to be in charge of the money again. Well, we let you steal more than enough, none of you went to jail and you didn't have to repay it all back. So why don't you pack up and move back to Cuba.Support your country, support your troops or stop collecting our welfare.If you know a Liberal (or Aberta brat) give them a slap - they need to be woken up!Hope to see everyone at the Olympics! It's going to be amazing!


john messom creston bc
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on the story of the afghan detainee prisoners being torured is coming from a person that is getting his informatiom second and third hand .this person has not seen them being tortured by his own eyes so befor you condem the government wait tell someone seen it their selflet not forget these same prisoners are the same people that are killing our soldier and then our soldier are coming home in body bag


Art
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Whether these stories are true or not is one matter . However it does concern me that a high level " intelligence diplomat " is writing memos all over the place and now he is posted in Washington.They might as well get rid of him because no one is going to share information with him now. I may not agree with it , but shouldn't he stay below the radar being in the intelligence aspect of things.Or is that just the case in every other country except Canada the good !


Bill in BC
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JP- alleged ex MP:You choice of words and spelling PROVES you NEVER served in the CF.Nice try.


PteB
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Im not saying torture is right, but most of the people handed over where captured for a reason. Those same people if the shoe was on the other foot would cut our heads off with a butter knife and film it. As well for all the bleeding harts on here the libs sent us there,now they want to run before the job is done...man up. My brothers in arms did not die for nothing. Finish the job. For those that ask why we are there 9-11 remember or is your memory short and info misguided. If NATO leaves then its only a matter of time before a major terrorist attack happens again.


PteB
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Albertaboy please go. Canada needs less cowards and more guts. War is not pretty nor fare. Some times dirty deeds most be done.This is the real world if simply asking an individual what they know and how they know it ,Im sure theses things would not happen. Now run and hide your head in the sand or go to Switzerland they like to be neutral on everything.


Andrew in Alberta
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Tell me if I'm wrong but didn't Colvin say that to him, some of the people he is talking about had marks on them that looked like they had been tortured! I don't believe anyone came running to him to asks for help, screaming that he had been tortured, just that they had marks on them. I have no doubts the Libs will drag this out as long as possible to keep the media and the public eye off their incompetent leader and pathetic party. I can't wait to see how many of the "poor victims" sue the Canadian government, and are given millions of tax-payer dollars because of what another government did.....similar to Mayer Arar!


warren in toon town
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Well said TS. I couldn't agree more. I have been saying the same thing about Tom Clark ever since he took over the show, Power Play. Nex't he will be sitting beside Peter Donollo in the Liberal leaders office.


CMQ IN NB
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My only thought is this.... If this guy had access to MP's and other officials directly, face to face then why did he wait and send letters and emails? If something so high priority was going on then why didn't he share this openly? No one is denying he had access to people higher up, not even CTV!!!! This alone makes one question his integrity. So did he get back to his cushy office and think, "Gee, Peter M and I were having such a wonderful time at dinner, I forgot." I find that really hard to believe. Anyone who feels passionate about something speaks about it first and foremost. That is why I find his credibility lacking. It's not what the news says, MPs, Lib or Con, but what this guy didn't say when he had the chance to say it directly....


Jon
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Pure and simple.... Harper and Mackay are war criminals and should be prosecuted as such. Obviously these fascist control freaks knew what was going on and tried to bury it. Try and condemn them both!!!


Bill MacKay
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If it's not true, then surely the Prime Minister will allow an enquiry to clear the air once and for all!


BO in BC
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If Richard Colvin is not ready to stands behind our troops, he can always stay in front of them on a couple foot patrols. Reality will kick in rapidly.


eric
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i just finished reading Rick Hilliers book. those taliban are not good people,same as the liberals they need a slap in the ear. stop the whinning and work on how to get the economy going.


charlie
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After reading about the Colvin testimony on several different sites and listening to exerpts, I would conclude that the allegations amount essentially to hearsay, not fact, and would not be allowed in a Canadian court. Yet, these simple allegations, without any proof, are allowed to be used to smear the Government, the Ministers and the Canadian Forces. This is the quality of Liberal integrity that we can expect? This is the way the Party which is supposed to be the government in waiting conducts itself? This is what we can expect in future should they come to power? Many would argue that it certainly is the quality of integrity that has been exhibited in times past. I find it very interesting that neither Layton or Duceppe has risen to the heights of the ridiculous conduct exhibited by some members of the Liberal Party. Why? Do they know something that we do not - or is the trip on the Liberal "Sillytown Express" just too tawdry to take? BTW, if this was all such "common knowedge" (a phrase which covers a multitude of half-truth and rumour, as well as deliberate story-telling) why was it not reported by the media in a big, big way? Sorry, folks, I am not buying this pig in a poke.


Pat - Ottawa
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For all those who object to Afghan security forces applying corporal punishment before releasing murderers and would-be murderers I have a solution. Instead of turning detainees over to the Afghans we should hold them until we know where they live then deploy snipers to kill them the next time they step out of their houses with a weapon or an IED. Two problems solved! Maybe a bit of corporal punishment just might, in the end, save their lives.


Edmonton Vic
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I am throughly disgusted with all of the whining going on here about so called torture. Here is a person who is handing out second hand information about torture and third hand information about injuries, do we not always wait for the facts to come out? Why did he not tell government officials himself? Why did he not tell the General? He had all the time and chances to do so!!! Also when this man is proven wrong once again the Liberal & NDP whiners hopefully will face the wrath of all Canadians and will be destroyed in the next federal election for once and for all!!! What do you want to bet that CTV & CBC are behind this as well, we all know they are mad at the Conservatives for not giving the more taxpayer money to run there sinking ships!!!


simon
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"MacKay says allegations in torture scandal 'ridiculous'"This is the kind of statement they all make when they see The HAGUE on the Horizon.No one expects MacKay to say anything different! Not Yet !!!


Matt
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From the article:"Back then, Colvin served in the No. 2 diplomatic post in Afghanistan for an 18-month period. He said he repeatedly told Ottawa in writing about torture allegations, but he was ignored."Where is Mr. Colvin's proof he repeatedly told Ottawa in writing? I don't know about you, but in my job, if I see something unethical going on and I am ignored when bringing it to senior people within the company, you can bet I keep copies of all my communications for no other reason than to cover my butt.So, bring forward your proof Mr. Colvin.


Tucker
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I couldn't care less if some suspected terrorist was tortured. They are trying to kill Canadian troops.Don't want to be tortured, don't join up with terrorists.By the way, where is Ignatieff in all this. He has been strangely silent. Could it be because he is on record supporting torture?I'm still waiting for Colvin to provide proof. He is speaking about things he HEARD happened second and third hand.


Cris
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Another Liberal witch hunt. They have nothing to offer the country so go dig up dirt.


rose
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I agree with pete


James in Alberta
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So, Canada sends troops to Afghanistan because the Afghan government requested it. When we take prisoners we are required to turn them over to the Afghan authorities. Once they are turned over to the Afghan authorities our troops are supposed to visit them in prison to see if they are being tortured?! Just what are we supposed to do if we find that they have been tortured? Ask for them back? And where the heck are we supposed to keep them? Perhaps we can send them back to Canada where nice people will take them into their homes and care for them as their own. I'm sure that will make everything better! They are just misunderstood, after all.Let's remember that the standards in Afghanistan's jails are not like those in Canada. Police conduct may not be at the high standard we enjoy in Canada. The legal and human rights of Afghani's are likely rather less than our own. Why are we continually trying to apply Canadian standards on the developing nation that requested our help in the first place?


IP
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The PC government should remove our troops from Afghanistan and bring them back to tackle homelessness and the drugs dealers. Why are we spending so much of Canadian taxpayers $ to clean-up a problem created by the States. We could use these soldiers to help build much needed housing for our homeless population, and our enforcement agencies to tackle the domestic terrorists, the drugs dealers.


Rose
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These so called tortured men are not our friends. They would kill the Canadian troops if they could . If the afgans torture them maybe it will save lives their own and some of our troops . This is not a party over there its war.


Jim McB
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If Colvin was telling the truth he would have a room full of backers. If there was even a bit of proof it would be at least a story, it is at this point it is his fairy tale, perhaps he believes it!As for the CP they have lost all credibillity because of their left wing bias and unsubstantiated reports.


Dan
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Take a look a few years back and see who put our troops in Afghanistan who you ask the Liberal'sWho was in power when Canada took its first prisoners who you ask the Liberal'sStop trying to blame someone and work to fix the problemDanEdmonton Ab


John from Saskatoon
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Simon please take the time to find out what constitutes being a war criminal. Mackay and Harper clearly do not fall into that catagory. That would be the same as me calling you a murderer because Clifford Olsen killed somebody. I'm embarassed about your lack of knowledge and will now go hide my face. Worrying about the Hauge won't be nessasary unless they come to Sask to find some good sausage.


neilpk70
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Once you start condoning torture, pack the tent, you've already lost the war!


Sober, Newmarket
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Must be how Afghans deal with Afghans. We did not go to change their culture, but to weed out the Taliban.


Debb
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The old adage of "where's there's smoke, there's fire" will hold true in this case.andme thinks the minister of defense doth protests too much.Aghanistan Taliban = Torture


J.A.Scott
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I will not be losing sleep over Taliban terrorist being tortured by the people they have slaughtered. We are fighting a unconventional war against people of no conscience. These reporters and bleeding heart liberals who are sensationalizing this should be in charge of cleaning up the bloody streets of the innocent women and children that the Taliban have killed.


c
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wow a Taliban prisoner said he was tortured and that is evidence?!? Common people I would love for anyone to go around to our maximum security facilities and try to find a prisoner who says they are guilty. You will not find ONE! Furthermore, they always say how inhumane they are being treated they always say this. Furthermore, Colvin did say numerous times that he had no clue who handed these people off. No proof all allegations and total hearsay...ladies and gents I give you the left wing media...so sick.


gandolf101
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"Disgusting. I once loved Canada and was so proud to call myself canadian"Pack your bags and get out of canada I did 20 years in the Military and am and fed up of defending arm chair generals like yourself who has no idea of the blood being shed for a people who dont appreciate what your doing .if you dont like canada please leave , your disgusted at canada please leaveIts easy to do , nobody is making you stay.


Matt
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Debb:Unsubstanciated allegations that have come from second and third hand information hardly lives up to the "where there's smoke there's fire" adage.Nice try though.


ProudCanadian77
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Once you start condoning torture you've lost the war!


mcgil
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"There is not one bit of evidence, not a scintilla, that points to mistreatment of Taliban prisoners by the Canadian Forces."Mr. MacKay must be ill-informed. No one accuses Canadian Forces. The Afghans are assumed to have tortured their own AFTER Canadian Forces returned the prisoners to the Afghans. Get it right, Peter.


Lallie47
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Mr. McKay needs to get a grip on reality. Unfortunately, he is protecting his position and dealing with the war in Afghanistan as an annoying detail.


Graham
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honestly we are talking about a group of people who would behead their prisoners for political gain if the situation was reversed


A Voice From Ottawa
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Oh please, it's so easy for the detached general public to pontificate about the moral high road when our people over there are being indescriminately targeted and blown to bits. Whatever information acquired from captive Taliban and their collaborators is worth all the trouble caused by whiney faint-hearted allegations slung by an outraged self-righteous soon-to-be ex-diplomat. Don't like the job our people are doing over there? Pack your things and leave.


ED,R
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HOW BAD WERE THEY PUNISHED AFTERALL THEY KILL OUR MEN AT THE BLINK OF AN EYE,I "M REALLY GETING SICK OF THE LIBERAL'S NOT HAVEING ANYTHING TO DO-CAN'T THESE PEOPLE GET A PART TIME JOB OR SOMETHING ??


Darryl
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Sad to call yourself canadian?? keep your uninformed opinions to yourself. Don't assume you know whats going on after reading a ctv tidbid.