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Canada AM: Malalai Joya, A Woman Among Warlords
A woman who has survived four assassinations attempts and was the youngest member of Afghanistan's Parliament opens up about her new book.

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How does she expect that we will be able to give humanitarian aid without a military force there to protect aid workers? It's pretty much impossible to build a school and teach in it, when the Taliban is shooting at you or bombing the area.

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Soldiers' blood wasted in Afghanistan, author says

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Date: Wed. Nov. 18 2009 7:11 PM ET

The thousands of NATO forces currently fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan will never bring democracy to the war-torn country, says the youngest person ever elected to the Afghan parliament, who is calling on Canada to withdraw its troops and step up humanitarian aid to the region.

At 25, Malalai Joya was elected to the Afghan parliament, but was suspended in 2007 for criticizing the government. She has since survived four assassination attempts.

Joya's book, "A Woman Among Warlords," chronicles her experience trying to get an education under oppressive Taliban rule and her attempts to serve in a government she says is riddled with corruption.

During an interview with CTV's Canada AM Wednesday, Joya said a protracted war won't rid Afghanistan of corruption and Taliban influence.

"That's why we believe that Canada and other NATO countries follow the wrong policy of the U.S. They just waste their taxpayer money in Afghanistan and the blood of their soldiers," Joya said.

"My message to the great justice-loving people of Canada is that men and women, please join your hands with us, we need your educational support, humanitarian support. We need your honest helping hand. We never want occupation. Occupation (will) never bring liberation."

In her book, Joya not only gives details about her time in government and her life moving from one safe house to another as she avoided those who sought to take her life.

She also takes the reader inside the day-to-day lives of average Afghans, including the ongoing struggle for girls to get an education. Joya was once a schoolteacher, and had to hide books under her burqa so the Taliban wouldn't find them.

Joya says living under the Taliban "was risky" but says those who are in power today are simply the Taliban in another form, and Afghans' everyday lives are still fraught with terror.

"Today's situation is as catastrophic as it was under the domination of the Taliban in most provinces of Afghanistan," Joya said. "And today by the presence of thousands of troops in Afghanistan, rape cases against women, domestic violence, attacks, killing of women, are increasing rapidly."

Joya says Afghans are caught between two fighting forces: NATO troops and the warlords who control villages and towns throughout the country.

She is calling on U.S. President Barack Obama to reconsider the troop surge to Afghanistan and instead "support democratic-minded people of my country."

But she also calls on Canada to consider pulling its soldiers out of Afghanistan before the Canadian mission is scheduled to end in 2011.

"Canada's government is still following the wrong policy of the U.S. government," Joya said. "I say condolences to those Canadian moms who lost their sons and daughters in my country. But please, change your sorrows and your tears to the strength. Raise your voice against the wrong policy of the U.S. government, because democracy never comes by barrel of gun, by war, by cluster bomb."

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Lucia Jakabekova
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I was captivated and listened to every word this young woman had to say. I could not agree more. I have read numerous books on this subject, long before 9-11 happened. And she is absolutely correct in saying that they are a competent country (and have been for many years before the tragic event took place) and by being in war they cannot achieve Democracy. I believe we must pull our troops out , therefore savings lives and letting them be.


Mark in the East
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From Terry Glavin: "You want a real, brave Afghan feminist? Just one, among thousands, is Sima Samar, head of Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission: "Finish the job you started. It's not just for protecting Afghanistan, or protecting Canadians. It is about the protection of humanity. This is a human responsibility. It isn't possible to escape this kind of responsibility.""


Gregory Boudreau
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I disagree with what she is saying, the only way the Taliban will ever be taken out of that part of the country is by force, it is the only thing these peole understand. Democracy some times comes by force, just look at W.W II it took force to remove Hitler. People don't like using force, but some times it is the only option left, I am sure the Taliban will not come to talk, they use their guns to talk. We would all like for this to come to a peaceful end, but to say our people are dying for nothing is wrong.


Roberta
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I have never been against our troops in Afghanistan, as I believe something has to be done to improve life there, however, I've always wondered if we are going about it the best way. I think it is important to learn about an issue from multiple perspectives, so I think I will read this book to help gain a fuller understanding.


gus
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i think she is rather confused of what she wants. without military help, the talibans will have control again. and under the talibans, there won't be humanitarian help because no outsiders will be allowed in the country.


I. M. Wright
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the only way the US military will ever be taken out of that part of the country is by force, it is the only thing these peole understand. Democracy some times comes by force, just look at W.W II it took force to remove Hitler.BTW, Hitler was democratically elected. Yeah, I know it was a bad thing but that's how it was.


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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Its like I've been saying all along,,,, they don't want our "help" any more than they wanted the Russian's help.Their tribes are their own form of 'democracy', and who are we to say whats good for them.I am surprized we actually heard it from this young woman...


Portes
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As many other posters on here have said the only way to win is the WW2 approach. Go in with the right number of troops and get rid of the Taliban, unfortunately there will be civilian deaths but the cannot be helped. To hell with all the bleeding hearts and other groups, do what has to be done, that way we will save a lot of Nato forces lives.You cannot win a war just pussy footing around as we did in Nam,that war could have been over in a year, but no they had to do things so they did not hurt the feelings of Russia and China

Eastern Eagle
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To Mark in the East: It is nonesense that NATO is fighting for the sake of humanity in Afghanistan. You seem to watch lots of Bush's Bushite speeches. NATO is in Afghanistan to guarantee the flow of OIL from the Caaspian sea and to have a base on the doors of Russia. The nonsense about protecting Women, Democracy, and human rights is for the local consumption of naive people in the West. And just before you throw the 9/11 card at me, I would like to remind you that the "evil" Taliban were willing to hand in Bin Ladin if the West supplied a single proof against him. In 2001, however, the US was not in a mood to supply any evidence to anyone. Bomb first and think later!


Stop the Stupidity
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Why are we in Afghanistan? To start, we can dismiss the preposterous argument advanced by Obama's most aggressive advisers about defending our country against "terrorism" in Afghanistan. Al-Qaida is nothing if not decentralized, and its adherents are still perfectly capable of attacking the United States from Canada, Boston, Hamburg, or Fort Hood. Anyway, terrorism, as Timothy McVeigh demonstrated in Oklahoma City, can originate with the nice young man next door who shops at the gun store around the corner. "Fighting terrorism" in Afghanistan "to prevent another 9/11" simply isn't a serious argument, and I suspect that even the deluded Gen. Stanley McChrystal understands that his men are shooting at indigenous Afghan rebels, not Osama bin Laden or his followers.


Paul out West
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Malalai is correct; you never win the hearts of the people through military destruction of a country. Afghanistan is thousands of years old and imposing another's standard simply does not work. It's time to hold "peace talks" with all parties and end this conflict now.


MHB
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The Cons here will not like this lady telling them the truth that our media is hiding from us. The reality is that the vast majority of Afghanis, those with Taliban and those against Taliban, want us out. To Afghanis, we are simply foreign invaders who do not stop talking about democracy and human rights while supporting dictatorships and gross crimes against Afghanis. I fully agree with this brave woman that 2011 is a far date. To save the lives of our Canadian youth, we should pull out today and let the Americans pay alone for their wrong policies.


D. Parsons
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"My message to the great justice-loving people of Canada is that men and women, please join your hands with us, we need your educational support, humanitarian support. We need your honest helping hand. We never want occupation. Occupation (will) never bring liberation." A cynic may take that to mean that we want your money, your humanitarian aid and your knowledge, but we don't want you here to see what we do with it. A cynic might also point out that if those troops leave, the Taliban will in all likelihood take over, at which point any humanitarian aid might stop all togther.


From The Mouth of Babes
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support democratic-minded people - does she think a vote will settle the turmoil in her country? No, but she knows your cash will calm a warlord or two for a day. Before you sign on, take a moment to question the wisdom of a 25 year old. Would you follow one in Canada, let's say a 25 year old women, leader of the Libs or Cons?


Amy
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Imagine that the American/British/Canadian governments never sent their soldiers to Afghanistan nor Iraq. These countries would have saved enough money to improve their health care systems, their schools, universities, plus working on reducing the crime, drugs, etc in their own countries. War is not justified and we all should have learnt from the past. In WWII over 60 million people died. We will never forget our soldiers but we should have learnt already the lesson. Until we realize that hatred and war only brings violence and more deaths we will carry on this endless circle. We should be more critical with our leaders endeavors as surprisingly there are a lot of hidden interests that feed this "Weapon and Oil Market" within the USA and the Middle East countries. Have you ever wonder why the USA troops do not interfere in the many other countries who are in real need? Why don't our leaders try to help this conflict by offering support and dialogue? We, the westerns, are the ones that need to change first and let this people solve their own affairs, then we may see a change.Good luck young woman you are the change we all need. Hoping that our leaders see the truth soon before more of our children are dead.


Lina
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How does she expect that we will be able to give humanitarian aid without a military force there to protect aid workers? It's pretty much impossible to build a school and teach in it, when the Taliban is shooting at you or bombing the area.


BadP, Edmonton
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When the Russians occupied the country, they controlled 98% of the territory because they built factories, plants and schools, then fought against Islamists supported by the USA. Even now 70% of educated people in Afganistan got their education in the USSR.Now Taliban controls 80% territory completely and 17% partially. The NATO troops barely survive on their bases because they spit on the Afgan population. Even when they need to build something, they fly bricks from across the globe rather than build a factory in place and employ the locals - all at our expense.We can send another million soldiers in Afganistan, but who they are going to support? The current government with its brutal police who kidnap and rape children instead of fighting insurgents?


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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david sawkiw, Would you like to explain when and how the Russians helped the Afghani people. Unless you mean blowing up villages with helicopter gunships and tanks. Or could it be the month of carpet bombing. Maybe the 25,000 dead civilians from land mines. Oh i got it, it was the way Kandahar was reduced from 200,000 people to 20,000. Dave i believe your right about getting the heck out of there, but you have to post facts or the new reformed conservatives will do what i just did. Use your words against you.


Kevin in Vancouver
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A very interesting and brave young woman but obviously not completely thinking this through.1. I would never support changing the blood of our military personel with that of civillians. And surely without protection any humanitarian aide workers would just end up kidnapped, murdered or raped.2. I would never support sending 100's of millions of dollars to a corrupt government without the oversight people on the ground provide.3. I cannot see us allowing a government that openly supports terrorism and offers unfetted access to facilities and technology to exist.It is the Afgan people who must join hands with the world community and stand up for freedom and the separation of church and state if they are ever going to enjoy the quality of life that is the right of people everywhere. It will take courage and blood but it is the only solution, it took millions of lives for our society to take freedom from the hands of the privilidged whether it was religous or elitist forces that were unwilling to cede power to the people. The freedom loving Afgans should be grateful for and take advantage of what we are sacraficing for them.


Scott
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Democracy is, in part, formed by the barrel of a gun. It’s not the only component but a pretty important one to get the ball rolling. With out security and stability you will never achieve peace and prosperity. People have to have a reason to do something with there lives when they wake up out of bed, oppression doesn’t really motivate people. Oppression is what the Taliban bring to the table. Malalai Joya would not be a living politician in Afghanistan if NATO leaves before the job is done. Keep that in mind.


Spell Check
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How to spell N.A.T.O.?L.O.S.E.R.S.


Grant
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And with out force, how does the author propose we keep the Taliban from blowing up all those development projects?With out ISAF gaurding the new schools, wells and other humanitarian projects, they would be destroyed by the enemy combatants before they could be used by the population. The ANA and ANP are still under trained and under staffed to do the job.


Bill in BC
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I give this young lady a great deal of credibility but she has not answered a critical question. Exactly how, without outside military assistance, does she think stability can be brought to Afghanistan? The Taliban are an extremist terrorist movement that seeks to destroy every institution they don't like and will kill everyone who does not agree with them. Until the terrorists are dealt with, Aghanistan has zero chance of gaining the stability she wants for her people.


The Other Lowell in BC
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Her words are dead on. There is a way of life in Afghanistan that won't easily be changed through force. There is a dichotomy with what Obama was proposing to Chinese young people. Starts with the young people. Getting them educated about what the rest of the world is doing through the internet etc. We won't change warlords behavior now but we may influence the next generation. The forces of change have to occur within the country. Cultural and political change does not happen quickly but can happen as witnessed in eastern Europe with the oppressive regimes there. Will NATO ever be able to get rid of all the taliban. Doesn't seem likely. For every one that gets killed more are willing to take their place.


Gunnar
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I don't care whether we bring freedom and democracy to Afghanistan. Our troops are there to prevent it from becoming a lawless paradise where terrorists are free to live and train. If the side effect of our establishing order in the region is that more Afghanis learn to value freedom enough to pursue and fight for it, great. However, it is for the protection of Canada that our troops are present, to bring order and governmental control to the region to keep whack jobs off our necks.


Ralph in Regina
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Canadian soldiers should not die for a political confab.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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Here's a crazy idea: Let's have the people of Afghanistan utilize their fledgling democratic framework to VOTE on the issue of whether they want the U.S. and NATO out of their country. Committing the requisite number of troops (which is still the prescriptive strategic "cure" tabled by the majority of civilian and military experts, including General McChrystal, and the one Obama is still politically hamstrung by) doesn't seem to be in the cards. Unlike past major wars, where governments threw everything they had at the "enemy" simply (and smartly) because losing wasn't an option, today we're fighting an elusive foe with "compassionate" political and military correctness, and limited involvement. Even supporters of the mission, such as myself, have believed for some time that we are, indeed, wasting time and brave lives in Afghanistan now.


Soldier Trenton
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When NATO leaves the country will be back to the Taliban very quickly.No more schools for women,Islam to the extreme ,no rights etc.Is this what Joya wants ?? Nato is trying to do humanitarian work...they are forever being blown up or shot at...they are protecting themselves not looking fo battle. So Joya says leave..just send money and aid...good luck lady


SpinMeNot
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Poor girl, she had to hide books under her burqa. Does she think she will not have to hide books under her burqa if we leave Afghanistan? What's the point of mentioning it otherwise? And see how nicely she drives a wedge between the US and the other NATO countries, extolling our superior sense of justice which allows us to rise above the US and see the wisdom of allowing the Taliban sense of justice to return. And see how nicely she plays on our pain at the loss of our brave soldier's blood, not to mention our taxpayer's dollars. The article does not mention if she currently lives in Afghanistan. I suspect she is being coerced or has been brainwashed or is just making a buck writing a book that supports some Canadian political point of view. But the story fits in nicely with the other story today on Afghan detainee torture that the Liberals want to champion as though those evil Conservatives are into torture. Funny coincidence.


Canadian Soldier and Afghan Veteran
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What this woman is speaking is absolutely false. You cannot have freedom of any form in Afghanistan without the security that foreign soldiers are providing. With that security in place, all forms of government, from political to armed forces, are able to develop and become stable. This will allow Afghanistan to become a nation not run by terrorists, warlords, and drug traffickers but by the people so all will be able to live and prosper without fear, death, and deprivation all around them.


JFJ
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We're no more "Justice Loving" than the populations of other countries on this planet.Stay the course: it's in our National security interest to do so.


nat
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i do agree that humanitarien efforts are needed, but how can you offer that to the ones that need it when the taliban is hindering NATOs efforts in doing so. The taliban needs to be fought in full force in order for there to be freedom. If we stop fighting, we are giving the taliban freedom...they in turn will take it away from the women and children of the country.CATCH 22


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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@rick in NB :::: Uhh,, I'm not the socialist expert around here,, so why don't YOU explain to us all what exactly were the Russians doing over there??


Canadian, not from Afganistan
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I am sure all you posters that say she has no idea what she's talking about have lived in afganistan, been elected to parliament and survived numerous assassination attempts. How can you even comment????


Observer
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When I hear this young woman spout words like "war criminal Bush" and "2 enemies: The warlords and the enemy occupation forces", 1 word comes to mind: Ingrate. Maybe since she was only 17 years old at the time the Taliban were toppled, the memories of that era in her nation are not so well processed and remembered. If it wasn't for the "war criminals and enemy occupiers" that she so readily slanders, she wouldn't be leaving the house right now to do an interview in Canada without being in the presence of some male relative, walking a few feet behind, doing her best impersonation of a lampshade in her chadri (aka full-face covering burqa).One wonders who is feeding this woman these catch phrases and more importantly (as another comment pointed out) who on earth would follow the advice of a 25 year old regarding the affairs of a nation? The fact that she is asking only for money and moral support to defeat extremism shows her naivety and gives a good indication as to where on the political spectrum her backers (both in terms of moral support as well as financing) lie.Afghanistan is about as far from perfect as a democracy can get, but I'll take a fledgling democracy over a extremist theocracy and day of the week. If international forces ever do leave and the Taliban take over, one wonders how long it would take before this outspoken woman finds herself infront of the Taliban hangman, for being just that. If that ever happens, no one is more deserving than her for an "I told you so".


fred
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If they don't want our help, then why give them aid? We want to help our way, if they don't want that help then great lets bring everyone home and stop all aid. IF they are as independent and capable as they claim then they will be able to help themselves, right?Afghanistan is one of the most corrupt countries on Earth, so what would be the justification be for spending dime one in that country?


Chad in Edmonton
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Not a drop of blood has been wasted. Every soldier who died, died fighting for a better world.You can debate taxpayer money, but I dare you to tell the family of a fallen soldier that their son's or daughter's blood was wasted.


Dr. M, Sardis
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Portes argues that we ought to go in as we did in WW2 in order to "save the lives of NATO soldiers." Wouldn't we save more of their lives by pulling them out entirely? If our soldiers were back in Canada, then the Taliban couldn't shoot at them, could they? Silly arguments like Portes' are easily defeated, but the more rational argument for staying in Afghanistan has hinged on the idea that we are helping support a democratic government, and ensuring the rights of women. But perhaps we've been sold a bill of goods. If the Afghani government is corrupt, then why are we supporting them? If it isn't democratic, then we are not supporting democracy, are we? And if this writer is correct, then the rights of women are in fact imperilled by our presence. I'm sorry, but serious arguments for staying in Afghanistan now have be be seriously reconsidered. Many of you continue to make the argument that we have to defeat the Taliban to stop al-Quida, but that organization no longer needs Afghanistan. They are now international, thanks to the foolish invasion of Iraq, which radicalized hundreds of thousands of young Muslims. We are wasting our time and the lives of our young soldiers. Support our troops. Bring them home.


Rick in Calgary
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Yes, let us send them money. Guess who will collect the money for more guns, & oopersion.Correct, the Lalaban. If you think the elected Government is corupt, just pull out & end more money into this sink hole?


Dr. M, Sardis
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@David SawkwiI read the post from Rick in N.B., and I don't get your response. He said nothing about socialism. He only pointed out that the USSR killed thousands of people. As I understand it, they were there because they were also afraid of radical fundamentalist religious zealots. Their territory used to include millions of Muslims, and they were afraid that Taliban ideas would seep north and infect people there, so they struck in a pre-emptive fashion. They certainly had more reason to invade than the U.S. had to invade Iraq, however. Just as the invasion of Afghanistan broke the USSR (not Regean, by the way. He had nothing to do with the fall of communism, if you've bothered to read history) so too the invasion of Afghanistan by the US and NATO forces could spell the end of the US empire around the world. They can no longer afford to support 500,000 troops abroad with a deficit over 12 trillion.


Saleem
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I think Joya is very right. Defeating Taliban and terrorism is not part of the agenda of the US/NATO in Afghanistan. They are after their own strategic interests and for this they are ready to deal with terrorists. They are now paying to Taliban and warlords, both of them enemies of Afghan people and also under the US it was changed to the opium capital of the world. The US/NATO want to push Afghanistan to middle ages and will never bring anything positive to its poor people. So better to ask them to just pull off from Afghanistan.


Ron
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This is the type of story you should expect when it wasn't written by an embedded reporter that voids their freedoms of the press for a large fan base to buy her book (greed). Better yet, a country to run to and hide after her story hits the press. Sorry Christie, but this woman was born and raised in Afghanistan. It wasn't a business venture.

Johnny B
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I think a lot of posters missed her point. Living under the current gov't is as bad as the Taliban. NATO will not win by force. The best way would have been to financially support internal democratic movements. However; Canada will continue to follow the wrong policy of the U.S. government, and more of our troops will die in vain. Listen to this women she is light years ahead of us in her thinking and approach.


Tony
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You will never have a democracy when you have people who want to rule by faith. Faith is personal and cannot rule a country. The problem there with the Taliban is they want to force thier warped sense of religion down everyone throats.


R.E. Lee, Cold Lake, AB
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Afghanistan had very little to do with 9/11. Iraq, even less. However, what is done is done as far as the Afghan civilians are concerned; but what will help them the best from this point? Militant Islamics will go to Afghanistan to fight as long as there are "infidels" on "Muslim soil." One of the main triggers of 9/11 was having American troops on the same land as Mecca. The vast majority were removed from Saudi Arabia soon after 9/11; funny enough. So perhaps the Afghan answer lies in a Muslim initiative. Their problem, their solution.


Jon in London ON
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One choice or the other. We are either "in it to win it" or NATO surrender our forces, lay down our weapons and admit defeat. But keep the money coming. Absurd.


PJ
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Having read much of and about this woman, I give no credence to ANYTHING she says. She knows perfectly well this struggle in Afghanistan is UN sanctioned, NATO lead and still she spouts off about a "US" lead invasion. She is a Tokyo Rose in Afghanistan and her entire efforts are to undermine ANY progress to democracy.

Tom
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For those that insist it is in our national interest to be there in Afganistan I would contend that we wouldn't have to be there and live in fear of a terrorist attack if we wern't there in support of US foreign "oil" policy.


There is no simple answer...
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The WWII approach worked well against a country and an army trying to take over Europe (a common goal for may historical figures) but the Taliban fight an indirect war with no fronts. That is why when militaries have tried the WWII approach in Vietnam and other countries we find these wars cannot be won in such a manner. Guerrilla warfare is effective and cannot be stopped by ever increasing masses of troops.

Mark in the East
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"Eastern Eagle" claims that the content of my earlier post means that I've 'listened to too many Bush speeches'. Unfortunately for E.E.'s argument, the entire content of my post is a quote from Sima Samar, a woman, and also head of Afghanistan's Independent Human Rights Commission. I wonder if E.E. thinks that Ms. Samar has listened to too many 'Bush Speeches'.

Richard L. Provencher
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I remain very confused about the attitude of the Afghanistan population. Did ALL the working age men work for the Taliban, ie through harvesting the dope? If not what else did they do to survive?Why do they resent having forces trying to protect their families? Do the folks really wish to return to the days of the Taliban?And why do the population hold our troops to task for the unfortunate and terrible accidents, ie collateral damage, when Taliban suicide bombers blow up, and maim mostly women and children, and hardly an eyelid is raised. I have read often in the papers that if a Muslim man is killed in battle, he is called a hero. What do they call Muslim men who kill their own women and children? Yes, it is all very confusing.When my father fought for democracy in WW 11, at least most of the general population supported our troops with every fibre in their body.


Carol in NB
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We can raise our voices all we want, but those Taliban wingnuts will never listen. Like one poster said, we have to start talking to the younger generations, and then only then, will be see any changes in thinking. The Taliban oppress women because they fear women. LIttle girls grow up to be women so they have to show their dominance to them at an early age. The Taliban will never understand equality between the sexes, because of that fear. If we pull out now, all our soldiers who have died will have died in vain. If we pull out now all the schools and wells and other infrastructure construction will be blown up and the Taliban will then be free to shed fear into the lives of all again, not to mention an even bigger terrorist training breeding ground. Do I like the war??? No, I do not, however, in order to have a democracy where EVERYBODY has a voice, force has to be used to create that stability.


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