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Canada AM: A discussion about the Home Children apology
The founder of Home Children Canada and an orphan who was sent to Canada at age six discuss why Canada hasn't apologized to these families yet.
CTV News Channel: Kenneth Bagnell, author
An author and journalist says the children were denied a wholesome upbringing and the emotional well being that should be a part of every childhood.
CTV News Channel: Adam Gabbatt, The Guardian
A reporter in the U.K. describes the long-running campaign that has been urging leaders to apologize to the thousands of British children who were sent to Australia for a better life, but instead suffered years of physical and sexual abuse and neglect.
CTV News Channel: London Bureau Chief Tom Kennedy
CTV's London correspondent discusses the timing behind the Australian prime minister's apology for mistreatment of child migrants.

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Date: Mon. Nov. 16 2009 10:41 PM ET

Immigration Minister Jason Kenney says Canada does not have to apologize for the abuse suffered by thousands of "home children" that were shipped here by the British starting in the 19th century.

The announcement comes after Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd made an historic apology Monday for its role in the mistreatment of children shipped there from Britain.

Kenney says he supports a private member's bill to mark 2010 as the year of the home children, calling it a "sad period" in Canadian history.

However, he said there is limited public support for the government to issue formal apologies for historic events in general and no demand for this particular one.

According to the British government, as many as 150,000 children were sent to Australia, Canada and other former colonies between 1618 and 1967. After 1920, most of the children were sent to Australia as part of programs run by the government, religious groups and charities.

The program was designed to offer the potential for a better life for disadvantaged and impoverished children, as well as to spread a white working class throughout the British Empire.

However, a number of children ended up in orphanages and other institutions where they suffered abuse, or were sent to work on farms.

At a ceremony in Canberra, the Australian capital, Rudd apologized for his country's part in the program.

"We are sorry," Rudd told a group of former child migrants. "Sorry that as children you were taken from your families and placed in institutions where so often you were abused. Sorry for the physical suffering, the emotional starvation and the cold absence of love, of tenderness, of care. Sorry for the tragedy -- the absolute tragedy -- of childhoods lost."

The timing of Australia's apology likely coincides with a number of reports of abuse suffered by children in state care over the past several decades, according to CTV's Tom Kennedy.

Rudd's apology extended to the so-called "forgotten Australians," the more than 500,000 Australian children who were placed in orphanages, foster homes and other institutions during the 20th century and suffered horrible abuse.

"The Australian prime minister said that Australia had to recognize that a great evil was done to these children," Kennedy told News Channel Monday morning from London. "He also said that Australia as a nation cannot move forward until it recognizes its past."

There are about 7,000 former child migrants still living in Australia.

John Hennessey, 72, was born in Bristol, England and sent to Western Australia state, where he was beaten and sexually abused at a Christian home for boys.

"The apology should have started from England," Hennessey told The Associated Press. "They were embarrassed and Australia shamed them into it."

The British government did announce Sunday that Prime Minister Gordon Brown would apologize for the child migrant program.

However, it is unclear when that apology will be made. While some expected a statement on Monday, Brown's office said officials would consult with the surviving children before issuing a formal apology, perhaps next year.

Ed Balls, the British Children's Secretary, called the migrant program "a stain on our society" and told Sky News television that "the apology is symbolically very important."

"I think it is important that we say to the children who are now adults and older people and to their offspring that this is something that we look back on in shame," he said.

Under the program, children as young as three were taken from institutions or, in some cases, their families and shipped off to the colonies.

While some parents were told that their children were going to a better life, others were not told at all and their children were simply taken away, according to Adam Gabbatt, a reporter for The Guardian newspaper.

Siblings were often separated upon their arrival at their destination.

"It's pretty heartbreaking, if you imagine children as young as three being separated and a lot of them were never to see their families again," Gabbatt told News Channel.

Since the 1990s, Britain has tried a number of ways to reach out to survivors, including paying for trips to reunite them with their families.

But many survivors are seeking compensation for the suffering they endured. Hennessey said he thinks the British government should be liable for sending its citizens overseas and then abandoning them.

But British High Commissioner Valerie Amos said her government has yet to decide on compensating the victims.

And the Australian government has already said it will not compensate victims, saying that liability rests with state governments and the organizations that ran the institutions.

If compensation claims do make it to the courts, Canadian victims could call for compensation from the Canadian government, which so far has offered no indication it will apologize for its role in child migrant programs, according to Kennedy.

"It depends on how the now-Canadians, who were children in the U.K., how they are going to react to it," Kennedy said.

"It's possible down the road that there could be some compensation claims against the Australian government and against the British government, and if it gets into the courts in countries such as the U.K. and Australia, it could have an effect on people's attitudes in Canada, as well."

With files from The Associated Press

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Portes
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Yes I am happy to see that some form of sadness is expressed by the leaders. However hindsight is20/20 and it is easy to say what we did wrong after the fact, those were different times and the leaders thought differently than they do today


Winter, Midland, Ontario
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I think we should all just be glad that they are apologizing. At the time, it was the "right" thing to do. People were ignorant about rights and racism, although this was an intentional ignorance. We can't play a game now where we try to determine about compensation. I think, especially in the economic instability, that we should just carry on with our lives. Accept the apology and try to understand the misunderstandings that led to this misfortune. However, I completely believe that the states (Australia, Britain, etc,) should be responsible for any mental health issues and costs associated with these issues.


Myles NWO
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Why should taxpayers have to pay for compensation for people who were in residential schools? and if you're liberal aren't you supposed to be all multicultural? and the conservatives have taken care of our country far better than the liberals ever could


Eric B
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It is sickening and feel horrible for those that endured it, but the son has to quite paying for the sins of the father.


Maureen
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Does anyone believe that this is just going to end at an apology? Demands for compensation will follow shortly. Yes, these actions may have been hard on some of the children (I'm wondering if any will be coming forward that had a better life -of course not, particularly if money may be on the table), but what would have been the results if they stayed in Britain? At the time there were few if any social services available to these kids. Even today, children in care age out of the system at 16, get some financial support for the next two years and then they are on their own. But 100 years ago, that wasn't even in place. All we really can do is learn from the past and try not to repeat it.


Doug @ BC
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Well said "Portes".With all the problems we are facing in our times,I think it's time we stopped trying to re-write history.Our children and our grandchildren need us to get our act in order so they can have a future worth living.That means Canada has a multitude of issues surrounding our sovereignty,our unity,our defense,and our economy.Should we fail on forward looking issues,there will be no Canada for future generations of poorly treated people from whom to seek either compensation or apologies. As "Portes" poined out,those were different times.Most of us can barely imagine how the people of the day lived.My grandparents lived in poverty,lived through two world wars and the world wide depression of the 1930's.Still,they managed to eke out a living and raise eight children.Children who went on to serve Canada in WWII and Korea.Then came home and raised functional families of their own. I guess,what I'm getting at here,is that it may be clear that leaders of the day made mistakes.But considering how we,the current generation,are constanly whining the "I want this,I want that" refrain,I think they did a lot of things a lot better than our supposedly "enlightened " citizens of today. I'm not against recogintion for these people.I am,however,against suggestions that these policies were enacted with malicious or evil intent.Most were enacted with a real belief that they were doing things that would benefit their nations and the individuals involved. It's unfortunate that we can't all come back in a couple hundred years and see how badly some of our current ideas went badly.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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Apologies are cheap. When it comes to taking the high road and doing the right thing, we come up with great adages like "the son paying for the sins of the father ". Until we mend our past practices, those of us with consciences will never forget the abuse.

allan
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As it is a nice gesture, how far back to we go in apologizing for history. Maybe the descendents of Genghis Khan should apologize, or Hannibal.


charlie
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To Allan: Perhaps you should join me - I think we should petition the Italian government (since Caesar is no longer taking calls) for an apology for the Roman invasion of Britain. If that is successful, we can ask the Greeks to apologize for their conquests, and then on to Britain for apologies for the Empire. There is a movement in the US for compensation for slavery - not an apology, compensation. Where does this all stop?


The Other Lowell in BC
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It does seem that political correctness is way out of control. I am not sure why governments now have to apologize for the wrongs committed decades and even generations ago by different governments under different circumstances, conditions, thinking etc. As one person said, how far back do you go. Many wars were started because of religious beliefs, the need to dominate, need to enslave, etc. The reasons are endless.


Ted
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Putting it all into context, this was a rougher, tougher time. Compare the abuse of these children to the relative population. Were the percentages different? In the '50s I was driving a tractor baling hay at seven years old. In the '60s we had teachers who would take you up the side of the head with a text book if you weren't paying attention. The principal of the school wasn't averse to giving you a cuff up the side of the head either. Was this abuse? I don't think so. It was common and served a purpose. I grew up knowing how to work. Those of us in school paid attention and knew why we did. Yes, there was sexual abuse back then too, even amongst the general population. Today, we have gone so far the other way that we are raising generations of brain dead people who can hardly function. Young people can hardly put a sensible sentence together. My grandparents had a Marchmont boy and raised him. He went on to work for a local farmer then went off to the first world war and was killed in Europe. My grandparents were probably the only good life that he had. It would be interesting to hear where all this information came from.


pdumont
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I'm surprised no one made any refferences to Canada's (mainly Quebec's) failure to protect the well-being of children for the sake of a few dollars with the "Duplessis Orphans" scandal of the 50s and 60s.


Maureen
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I think of all the immigrants who came to Canada during the 1880s and up to the present - they came to some real hardships (my grandparents left Ireland in 1924 and came to Southern Saskatchewan - my poor grandmother must of thought she had landed on the moon when she, her husband and nine children got off the train), but guess why they came? Because life was better here than there. When you think of the conditions that most immigrants during that time came to, with no government supports - they thought they were better off - it just begs the question - what was it like where they came from? Yes, were these orphans treated poorly - probably. But what were there lives going to be in Britain? Does it warrant an apology - for what? You came from a place that offered you nothing and you came to a place that gave you a chance? No apology is needed - in fact I think these children should say thank you.


Mead
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So, who is going to stand up next and apologize for all the bad things the Romans did a few thousand years ago?Any takers for a free cheeseburger?


Randall
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I'm sure the Canadian government said the same thing 25 years ago about the Native Residential schools - "no we do not have to apologize, we were giving them a better way of life." What I read here sounds all too familiar the way First Nations children were taken from there homes years ago and had been treated. So sad.Is an apology needed? Yes, I believe so. This is so sad.


Nasty Celt
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Jason Kenney doesn't quite get it. A man apologizes when he's done wrong. A child apologizes when they're forced to. Some are saying that it was the way of the world, that they didn't know it was wrong back then. I disagree. I think people knew raping children and using them for slave labour was wrong back then. They just knew they could get away with it much like they know they can get away with dismissing requests for an apology in today's Canada.


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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Right on TED!!!!! You called it perfectly!!! Hope to hear more of your comments in here! That said, I have to also give credit to Mr. Kenney simply because an apology would likely lead to my taxes going to pay for something AGAIN!! I put a comment here erlier but I guess it was a little too tough ,, didn't make it past the censors.


Wade Ens
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The expression of sadness reaches the right balance.


Tyrone
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Every group is looking for a hand out, Canadians are proud to work and pay taxes we cannot right every wrong in the world with handing over money. Lets face it women never use to get to vote the governement use to let kids work in factories the list could go on for ever.Take the apology or forget it if your still alive or your desendents are sounds like you made out all right.


Rob
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It's time we stop looking back, I am tired of always hearing about the past. Let it rest, it's over, get on with life. We have more important issues to deal with today. Just make sure that we have learned from our mistakes. The trouble is there is certain ethnics that will not let the past go. They keep dragging it on, no wonder some of them will never live in peace or be at peace with them selves or anybody else.


Bill Moyer
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Fine then, I want Denmark and Iceland to apologise for invading England and slaughtering my ancestors during the Viking invasions pre 1000 AD. If we can go back to the 1600's for an apology, why not blame everyone for everything for all time. This is, frankly, ridiculous. When does the blame clock stop ticking?


Raging Ranter
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So the British are now a victim group too. How nice. There were numerous wrongs committed against numerous people years ago. Hopefully we know better now. In the meantime, let's not be handing out apologies every other day. Apologies lead to compensation.


M. Cameron
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Why apologize to victims of the residential schools and not these people? I guess earning the respect of these people means less (votes) so it doesn't matter.


James the worker
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MY government should not apologize for something they had no control over.The government of the past did not operate the same way they do today. But what evidence is there that the Canadian government did anything wrong? The children came here and were either put in homes or in orphanages. If an individual from the home or a worker in an orphanage abused them why should the government apologize. That still happens today. Is it the government's fault if a family member is abused by another? And btw, working on the farm is not abuse. I with my siblings and cousins and friends all did it. I picked rocks in the field when I was 5 and was glad to work along side my dad.


Johnathan
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So the children came to Canada from terrible conditions to be actually cared for. Maybe they didn't feel part of the family but at least they had a home and were clothed, fed and schooled. What were the options for them in Britain? Far worse!They should thank the Canadian government for allowing them a future that they certainly wouldn't have had in Britain.We have a foster child in our home that has been with us 10 years. Though we include him in all family functions and holidays, he is still some what standoffish. He does not reciprocate the same affection he receives. He does not seem to feel he is the same as our own children. We understand that. But what we will never do is apologize for taking him in. What he had before he came to us was deplorable.


Linda in Vancouver
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I'm growing weary of an endless list of people demanding apologies for the wrongs of people who ived decades,generations,and even centuries ago.While I'm not without some sympathy,in very few cases is anyone alive today responsible for poor policy,or evil child abusers who were placed in their graves many years ago. As Doug said,we need to place more emphasis on what we are going to leave for the next generation,rather than being guilted into trying to make amends for what was done in the past. As I read this,I am recalling the apology made for the infamous "head tax" placed on people from China so many years ago.When the government issued compensation to those directly impacted by this wrong,the grandson of a very elderly man who received a cheque was offended because his grandfather has expected to receive an apology in Chinese.It makes me wonder why an immigrant who had been in Canada for over 70 years,never bothered to learn one of Canada's official languages.Frankly,I felt offended by that. Mistakes and all,Canada has a lot to be proud of in it's history.It is high time we educated people to our successes,and quit dwelling on the negatives.Just like today,not all government programs work out as planned.And just like today,there are evil child abusers willing to take advantage of a situation.Suggesting that we now have to grovel and degrade ourselves and our country for the sins of a few of our ancestors is just plain wrong.I think our ancestors did a lot more good for us than we are willing to give credit for. We don't even teach proper Canadian history in our schools.I think it's us,todays generation of Canadians that are in danger of failing.Pointing out the failures of our ancestors won't fix that.


MAL of TO
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My Grandfather [now deceased in his 90's] was one of these children. He was brought to a farm in the Uxbridge area where he was treated reasonably but harshly. He was never abused and thought well of the people he lived with in later years, perhaps he was a lucky one. He did not believe in apologizing for internment camps, native treatment or other events that occurred by previous generations and he would not have wanted one for this matter. He was a plain spoken man, morally solid and a pillar of the community in Lindsay and I have no doubt his only reaction would be to say 'leave it alone but make sure it doesn't happen again'.


Vickie
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"Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending" AnonymousSaying sorry does not necessarily mean that the current government is responsible but it just might be the words needed to allow those injured to heal their hearts so they can make their brand new ending...It is too bad that so many greedy people have made apologizing turn into tax grabs and compensation packages....ones that we the current taxpayers have no reason to have to pay.


Josh in Alberta
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I'm pretty sure...no make that POSITIVE, that we weren't even a fully self-governing country until 1982. The British government sending us orphans is hardly our fault...as if we would have been able to refuse!


bj
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Great comments! I hope the government is reading them. I wasn't even around when these things happened, my parents hadn't even immagrated to Canada yet, and they are not from England. I, as a Canadian have nothing to apologize for. Life was different back them, heck, life was different 25 years ago. Live and learn.


zane
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I believe that the great majority of these children were used as a cheap form of labour if not outright slavery. Under the guise of expanding the influence of the british empire the exporting of kids solved the problem of what to do with the poorest,and in doing so allowed the high and mighty Lords to be able to claim that they were doing a commendable thing. In reality all they were doing is practicing denial and self righteousness. All the commonwealth countries that were a part of this travesty need to own their part in this. If Canada will not apologize then their shame is magnified in the eyes of the civilized world. It makes me less than proud to say that I am Canadian


Jocelynne
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Yes, it's too bad it happened. An apology is one thing, but why would I as a 21st century taxpayer, who had no family in Canada at the time of these events, be responsible to pay for "compensation"? Must we continually apologize and compensate everybody for everything that happened way back when? It's not the fault of anybody alive today or the government in power at the moment. It's ridiculous.


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