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Canada AM: AshleyMadison.com founders discuss infidelity
The founder of AshleyMadison.com, a website for married individuals to meet, discusses his new book which claims infidelity will save the modern marriage.

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Cheating and staying in the marriage is stupid. If you don't love your partner enough to show them that respect then get out of the marriage. What is this world becoming? It's time to focus on the family.

David

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Cheating makes 'better partners,' infidelity guru says

CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Sat. Nov. 14 2009 12:00 PM ET

Cheating can make someone a "better partner" and in fact lead to an improved relationship, says the founder of a website that facilitates extramarital affairs.

In 2002, Noel Biderman founded AshleyMadison.com, a dating site that boasts the tagline, "Life is Short. Have an Affair."

The site offers the possibility for what it calls "Married Dating" in a host of North American cities, including Toronto, Montreal, Calgary and Edmonton.

It has grown rapidly in the last seven years, to more than 4 million users, and now Biderman has written a book that touts the benefits of adultery entitled, "Cheaters Prosper: How Infidelity Will Save the Modern Marriage."

"I think people who have affairs are totally misunderstood and for the most part they're people who are suffering. They're really lonely within their own marriage and when you're lonely there's a biological driver that's going to make you act out to change that," Biderman said earlier this week in an interview with Canada AM.

"So they tend to have affairs, they have dalliances, and often it makes them better partners, better parents, better bosses, better employees. It's hard for people to accept that, but it's the truth."

While Biderman blames a lack of communication as the primary reason people feel unfulfilled in their relationships, and therefore why they cheat, Biderman also argues in his book that human beings aren't meant to be monogamous, and that increased life expectancy makes it more difficult to spend a lifetime with just one partner.

"If you canvass other creeds and cultures and concepts you'll see it's only in North America that we really perceive infidelity in this manner," Biderman said. "If you look at the culture in France, or in Japan, infidelity rates are extremely high there, yet divorce rates are extremely low. They've really come to put it in a different perspective. That's what I'm trying to articulate in the book."

Dr. Carole Lieberman -- Beverly Hills psychiatrist and author of "Bad Boys: Why We Love Them, How to Live with Them and When to Leave Them" -- disagrees that cheating strengthens relationships.

On one hand, cheating "can make a dull marriage more exciting, at least temporarily," Lieberman told CTV.ca in an email interview.

"But, in the end, most marriages suffer terribly from cheating and ultimately break apart because of the loss of respect and trust."

Biderman, who has been married for seven years and has two children, says both he and his wife have never cheated because they are "very honest with one another about what we need and how our relationship will work."

While Biderman and his wife, Amanda, say they know what it takes to have a successful, monogamous, relationship, they simply want to serve a market for those who are not as happy.

"It's not creating the market, the market existed long before AshleyMadison existed," Amanda Biderman told Canada AM. "It's a business and it's really separate from our life."

But if his wife did cheat? Biderman said he would be partly accountable.

"I say it all the time: if she ended up being unfaithful to me I would be devastated but I wouldn't blame a website, I wouldn't blame it on an object," he said. "I would take a look in the mirror and be accountable myself."

And for those that do cheat, Biderman claims that 75 per cent of couples survive the experience because it kick-starts the communication that had been missing.

"Infidelity becomes a catalyst for change, often for the betterment of a relationship," Biderman said. "If you look back over time, for the relationships that do survive infidelity, everyone says 'we have a stronger relationship as a result.'"

According to Lieberman, communication may improve post-affair, but that's "because it's like lancing a boil -- all the putrid stuff that's been kept inside comes to the surface - the suppressed hurts and resentments," she said. "But, in the long run, infidelity causes more marriages to break apart than stay together."

While she agrees that communication problems, as well as a lack of emotional and physical intimacy, can make one or both partners more susceptible to cheat, it is also becoming increasingly difficult to remain monogamous in a me-first society.

"We flit from one person to another too easily, in the hopes that this other person will make us feel more attractive, more feminine or masculine, more powerful, more special," Lieberman said. "We are constantly looking for someone to heal our wounds from childhood. And if our spouse isn't doing it anymore, we're like moths to a new 'flame.'"

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Mandosa
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There is simply no practice left, no matter how disgraceful, that we can't fly some sort of 'academic' in from somewhere to justify. This is so ludicrous, that there really isn't anywhere to begin to comment on. It really deserves no comment, and it certainly doesn't deserve any air-time. Shame CTV.


Beverley Smith
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The difference between marriage and casual sex is commitment, a promise that is unconditional. It is one of the biggest leaps into the future that anyone can make and in an uncertain world is supposed to provide us with one certainty - we will stand by each other. That is its beauty. The term 'cheating' is not serious enough for breaking that promise. Endorsing the 'cheating' makes a mockery of the original commitment of honesty and exclusivity, unless those somehow were not part of the promise in the first place. They usually were. The title guru for anyone claiming expertise always amuses me. I want to call myself a guru too. Does it not just mean someone who endorses their own view and has now gone global with ego?


Rugger
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What else would Mr Noel Biderman say? Most certainly he is not about to promote his business in ANY negative light. Maybe one of his family members should try to bring about changes to our currant laws that allows multiple wives into a marriage!!!


HN in Edmonton
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How sad and misguided, where we live in a society that trades meaning for excitement. It's been proven that healthy marriages lead to long-term benefits both socially and emotionally. Why not work on fixing marriages instead of wrecking them? I've been married 18 years and it hasn't been easy, but the bottom line is we've been faithful to each other and are glad we stuck it out.


disgusted
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There's only one reason to cheat and that is because one doesn't have the wherewithall to commit and persist in a relationship. The value of working with your spouse and overcoming challenges in your relationship is immense and cannot be replaced by a fleeting time of intimacy with a stranger. Sounds to me like a cowards club for losers and people without integrity.


Observer
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I, for one, am sick of these so called news stories which are basically just thinly veiled promos for someone's product. If this "expert" wants to plug his book or website, he should invest in more commercial time.


Jerry in Calgary
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For those who are rich and strong of mind, soul and character this advice is obviously not for them. Such advice by these so called "gurus" ( I have another descriptive word for them) is for the people who are poor and weak of mind, soul and character. Obviously there are some (perhaps many) who fit the latter group in our communities who would follow such trashy advice for those people are merely followers.....not the true leaders of our communities. It just goes to show you that even in the "guru" world......sex sells. I will bet you that these self proclaimed gurus and those that follow their disgusting suggestions, probably subscribe to such lifestyles just like the many in politics who have succumbed and tried such ill advised solutions to their marital problems. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM IN THE END.............!!!!!!!


MK
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This makes me sick to my stomach. Mr. Biderman himself says he would be devastated if his wife cheated on him, yet he makes the option to cheat even more accessible to people who might actually fall for his faulty beliefs. People cheat because the option is presented and seems better than the alternative, which is a loveless or unfulfilling marriage. But to say that having affairs "makes them better partners, better parents, better bosses, better employees"? That is absolute crap! Cheating shows that people are untrustworthy, unfulfilled, and unfaithful. That does not make anyone a better person!It might be had for Mr. Biderman to accept but THAT is the truth.


B. Kelley, Faithful in Ontario
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If a person decides to "cheat" on his/her spouse then it's time to have the guts to dissolve the relationship honestly and respectfully walk away. How this self-appointed apologist for the morally bankrupt in our society can label the practice as "healthy" and keep a straight face while saying it is absolutely amazing. He can dress himself up as a "guru" all he wants but in the end he's still just a bottom feeder getting rich by exploiting human weakness and gullibility.


Portes
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This person needs some help, I know a good shrink that maybe able to help him. I have been married for 36 years and in all honesty I have not had a desire to go to bed with another woman. I did all of my running around before I was married. I see marriage as a commitment between two people,if there is no commitment then what is the purpose of getting married? Our society needs help in the worst way, but not from someone like him. In marriage for the first few years it is all about sex after that it becomes respect and trust in your partner and the longer it goes the more of a friend that person becomes. If you want to cheat, stay single and do your own thing,so you can go on without hurting anyone especially children, who are the most affected by break ups.


Sandi in Ottawa
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"Biderman also argues in his book that human beings aren't meant to be monogamous." Isn't that the cheater's motto???I think this is absolutely disgusting. The problem is people take marriage too lightly and don't really consider the seriousness of it before they 'take the leap'. Marriage is about spending your LIFE with someone and helping each other along the way and learning to communicate with one another in order to do so. It's more than sex, it's much deeper. This guy doesn't seem to get that. People live longer he says, which makes it difficult to stay together. What a crock! I know a lot of couples and have heard of so many people being married for 50 years or more. My grandparents were married for 60 years before my grandmother died. They had a deep love and respect for one another. I am sick of these so called 'experts' perpetuating bad behaviour and giving excuses for it. What has this world come to?


J.C.
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I agree with Lieberman. I think after being married for 43 1/2 years, I would know what it takes for a marriage to work. It takes commitment, honesty, respect, communication, tolerance for a lot of little things, and most of all loyalty and companionship. Too many people today seem to think it is all about sex and themselves, and that is why they have so many problems. They do not take their lifetime oaths seriously when they are before the altar.


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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Lets see here, a book written and a website on how to break one of the TEN commandments, in order to turn a profit. Now why didn't I think of that??? But wait!!There are still NINE more left! Surely lots of room left for profit from stealing, bearing false witness, ETC. ETC.


A. Bica
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Every culture, every society, imposes legal and moral blankets upon it's participants. The problem arises with the lack of freedom and discretion. The moral blanket is most often too restrictive as it is driven by religious dogma and therein fails to accommodate those of either a different religious belief or those of none at all. The legal blanket is too often defined and then manipulated by the philosophy of the political party in power to stay in power and often not necessarily consistent with a substantial number of citizens. This is best demonstrated when you have a party coming to power with a margin less than the popular vote. Effectively, in this circumstance, the majority of the people are governed by the minority. Look to the current political status in Canada where we have a party forming a minority government with less than 40% of the popular vote (meaning that 60% didn't vote for them) and they have imposed their legal and moral doctrine, a good deal of which is driven by a religious right dogma, upon the majority. We need to change our current electoral system so that it more accurately reflects the majority of the peoples' wishes and does not impose the values of few upon those of the greater number otherwise we have democracy in name only, not in practice!


Monty
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I have respect for Mr. Biderman. He says he would be partly responsible if his wife did cheat on him. Yes he would be because he would not have fulfilled her needs. Since he is aware of this and she also is they probably will never stray. A good marriage starts with a healthy sex life. Love, respect etc all come with the above. Sex drives have to be at least close for marriages to prosper. If one partner is happy with a couple times a month while the other would like 5 times a week there is going to be a problem. It doesn't matter how much respect you have for your partner if you are not sexually compatible. The partner who wants more will stray after time. I have seen marriages break up in which there was no cheating. The breakup often was the result of one person not getting sexually fulfilled often enough. This in turn causes anger and resentment. The love slips away and the marriage soon follows. I will not use this site because I am extremely happy with my marriage of 22yrs. My wife and I have a compatible sex drive. We have the same financial goals (which I believe also contribute to many marriage failures) and I love her dearly. Good Luck to all the couples out there and I hope you never feel the need to stray

R. F.
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People who cheat are missing something in their relationship. Whether it is the need to feel wanted, desired, attractive, more/better sex, or the feelings of lust that they once presumably felt for their partner, it is missing in their relationship. Better communication in a relationship would obviously be helpful but sometimes it is hard to communicate what it is you want. Both sexes are equally likely to cheat, not just men. And no, I haven't cheated. I know some people who have and each time it is the same. They weren't getting something they needed from their partner so they went else where to get it. My wife and I communicate a lot, no matter how difficult or embarrassing it may be, and we have a excellent relationship because of it.Bottom line is that in couples who cheat, it is usually a lack of communication that causes it. As for the 10 commandments, get real, they don't even give good advice in any situation let alone dealing with something as complicated as a relationship.


Julie Johnston
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It is disturbing to see that an affair is justified or that we have a "biological drive" to commit the act. Being on the oblivious end of my relationship, I can assure you that our "communication problem" was increased as a result of the affair. I cannot accept responsibility for someone else's actions. Affairs are dishonest, secretative and are the cause of break-ups. What is the point of commitment if affairs are accepted. Open marriages are different as their are no secrets, and both have an agreement that is mutual.


Jeff
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Isn't the entire point of getting married to be faithful and monogamous with your spouse? Why not just... not get married then if you want to live that lifestyle?


Hagios
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It's called "adultery" , it's deceptive and it is a destroyer of marriages. How any idiot would suggest adultery aids a marriage has to be a major league loser. This is a terrible article to be featured on a national media forum. Shame on CTV.

Lisa
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Unbelievable! This infuriated me. A business providing the forum to encourage cheating? Guru...yeah right, self-labelled. Read the body language of this couple. They condone the idea of cheating and advise it 'makes you a stronger' better person yet do not heed their own advice? Preying on the weak and meek vulernable masses and giving the green light to go and have an affair is what's going on here. They should be ashamed! Walk the Talk folks, if its soooo good for everyone else then why aren't you following your own advice...don't you want to be a stronger better person too? Your 'business' says if its too 'hard' to communicate in a marriage its now socially acceptable to have an affair. People who don't have the cahounas to either work on or leave an unhealthy marriage for whatever reason are spineless and need counselling, not encouragement and the belief society thinks is now ok to have an affair. (most adults do not communicate properly so choosing 'communication' as the catalyst crutch to condone an affair strikes a chord with many). Its strictly a business venture, there is no truth to the self-labelled guru. A site like this should not be allowed on the internet.

Henry Wysmulek
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Join his website or buy his book and he makes money! Nothing like an altruistic goal in life!


Syl S
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Cheating at anything is wrong but probably more hurtful in a relationship. Having said that, as there is no real committment in most relationships these days, is infidelity really cheating?


Scott McConnell
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Holy Jesus!

Eric
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Reading this I do have to wonder though... are humans meant to mate for life? I mean, honestly. We're animals whether people want to accept that or not and not all species mate for life. We assume we do, but really society tells us we are while nature seems to feel otherwise... notice how as soon as divorce became socially acceptable, the amount of people doing it skyrocketed? As much as people may want to avoid thinking about it, there's a possibility that we're just not built to mate for life.

Shan
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I have been married for 17 years and have to say that I love my wife more and more each year. This kind of intimacy can never be had if one was cheating on their partner. I have seen infidelity destroy many marriages and in other marriages that it doesn't completely obliterate, it adds a constant strain of mistrust, blame, and insecurity.


Greg
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This makes me sick. What is wrong with our society today. This web site should be shut down. What a disgrace to mankind.


Tony
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And if you real believe this then I got some ocean front property in Saskatoon I would like to show you


Esme
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The latest research (2009) suggests 1 in 2.7 married men will cheat on their spouse. The odds, ladies, are not in our favour. A marriage counselor who was interviewed on TV who had conducted extensive research on the topic said married men mostly cheat because they don't feel appreciated by their wives and they seek that appreciation elsewhere. He said the women they had the affairs with were not usually better-looking than their wives and that it wasn't about satisfying some primal urge to spread their seed -- they just wanted to feel appreciated.

Looking at the numbers, and based on my own experience of having being cheated on, I'm afraid us ladies have no other choice than to try to mitigate the inevitable.


Kate
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Next headline: Stealing leads to better money management skills.

Kathleen
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If your marriage isn't working - get out. A bad marriage is no excuse for cheating. Cheating on your spouse only indicates that they're not important and if they're not important enough to you to respect them, then get out and quick making excuses.


W.H.Cole
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This is a typical show of how society has degraded itself with sleaze and indecent ideas.America is due to fall, and it will surely follow all the other immoral societys that have fallen before them.They have thrown God out of the schools, government buildings, and have been preaching the false doctrine of Charles darwin, and as they continue to ignore the Lord God, they will certainly be brought down .The sooner the better...for the world's sake.What an ignorant society they have turned out to be.


Marc
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Wow, it scares me to see where society is heading. Marriage used to mean something and still does to me. What happened to morals and values. This web site makes my angry.


RC
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I was a biker all my life, I partied with strippers and... well.. lets say very friendly young ladies all though those years.

I've always, and I mean always went home to my wife.

And for one simple reason, as I have told several of them nice young ladies.

If I scrape all that makeup of you, give you a mortgage a couple of kids and all the rest of the ups and down of being married.

Lady I've already got better than you at home!!!

Worked for me for 34 years, Still in love and still haven't cheated.

I think that's what being married it all about, is it not?

Rhody in Vancouver
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Sure, cheating makes better partners. Except for all the lies and betrayal and, you know, the cheating. Its like the ocean makes the sea floor dryer except for all the water.The latest research (2009) suggests 1 in 2.7 married men will cheat on their spouse. The odds, ladies, are not in our favour. I think you need to do that math again.

Fred - Brandon MB
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This is not new, and not intelligent either. Thirty years ago, so-called "open marriages" were promoted as healthy. Unfortunately, few, if any, worked and most ended up either divorced or abandoning a foolish practice. Adultery is not healthy, it simply doesn't work. It is just a male fantasy for some.

David
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Cheating and staying in the marriage is stupid. If you don't love your partner enough to show them that respect then get out of the marriage. What is this world becoming? It's time to focus on the family.

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