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Although some would laugh at the protesters, I ask what would happen if you were to float a small balloon with a small camera attached, over say area 51, or cold lake?? I guess it boils down to who really has rights and who gets a free pass to trample on them.

david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]

U.S. Army buys balloon-like aircraft tested near border

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U.S. Army buys balloon-like aircraft tested near border

Geoff Nixon, CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Saturday Oct. 24, 2009 7:45 PM ET

The U.S. Army has purchased the balloon-like aircraft that was tested near the Ontario-Michigan border this past summer, which ignited a debate over the privacy rights of border residents.

Sierra Nevada Corp. confirmed the military bought the helium-inflated Aerostat aircraft that flew over the St. Clair River, across the border from Sarnia, Ont., for part of the summer.

A company representative confirmed in a telephone interview with CTV.ca that the balloon was sold after the Army watched a demonstration by Sierra Nevada Corp. employees in Yuma, Ariz.

"They went out there, they demonstrated and (the Army) said: 'We'll take it,'" said Bradley M. Lott, a retired U.S. Marine Corps major general who ran the testing of the Aerostat in Port Huron, Mich.

The purchase price for the unit was "a little over $1 million," Lott said.

It is Lott's understanding that the Army intends to deploy the Sarnia-tested aircraft "overseas to the Afghanistan theatre of operations," where it will be used for communications purposes.

The Aerostat was tested across the river from Sarnia, while Sierra Nevada Corp. worked out its kinks and tested different kinds of high-tech payloads, including a powerful camera that was reportedly capable of reading the name of a ship from many kilometers away.

The balloon backlash

The uproar over the Aerostat and its controversial camera raged in Sarnia well before the Heene family -- the Colorado family that recently tricked the media and the public into believing a boy was trapped in a runaway balloon -- ever made the news.

When the Aerostat began floating above the St. Clair River this past summer, Sarnia residents raised concerns that the aircraft was spying on their homes and that its presence violated their right to privacy.

They wrote letters to local newspapers, complained to politicians and about 100 people gathered to point their bare behinds at the Aerostat in a cheekily-titled Aug. 15 protest known as "Moon the Balloon."

But Sierra Nevada Corp. long insisted that the Aerostat was not spying on anybody while it was being tested.

"I could never understand the fuss with the craft itself," Lott said, when discussing the recent sale of the well-known Aerostat unit.

The aircraft was eventually damaged in a storm in early August and had to be brought down and sent for repairs.

It was then taken for a demonstration in Yuma, where the Army saw it and decided to buy it.

The future

Looking forward, the Army deal could provide jobs for the hard-hit city of Port Huron.

Lott said that if the Army buys more units -- the possibility exists that a dozen or more could eventually be purchased -- there would be training-related jobs for the Sierra Nevada Corp. in Port Huron.

An Aerostat takes four crew members to operate, each of whom require about six weeks of training to operate the aircraft, Lott said. That training would take place at the Port Huron facility.

With the 24-hour timetable of military operations, any Aerostat sold to the Army would likely have a crew compliment of up to 20 people, Lott said.

The Aerostat is made out of state, however, and there will be no manufacturing jobs that will be created in Michigan as a result of the deal.

Sarnia residents will likely not forget about the Aerostat, even if the one that flew across the river doesn't take to the sky again.

Adam Bush, who helped organize the "Moon the Balloon" protest, says he doesn't think that Lott "appreciates the type of threat this technology poses in this region."

"Billions of dollars of petrol-chemical product and equipment that could be under surveillance. Thousands of people's private lives could be invaded. Countless businesses," he told CTV.ca through Facebook.

"Fact is, if the right person has the wrong day, this technology could be devastating on many levels."

Sarnia Mayor Mike Bradley says that if the Aerostat returns to the St. Clair River in future, he will look to the Heene family for inspiration in drawing attention to the issue.

"If they put it up again, I may send a counter balloon up with a six year old Canadian kid in it. That should bring publicity to the issue again," Bradley joked in an e-mail earlier this week.

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Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
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I really do not see what all the fuss is about! If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to complain about. A very high tech. craft! Nothing to be afraid of!


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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Although some would laugh at the protesters, I ask what would happen if you were to float a small balloon with a small camera attached, over say area 51, or cold lake?? I guess it boils down to who really has rights and who gets a free pass to trample on them.

Balloon Boy
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Nothing wrong here. It's what happens in every neighbourhood.We can put up with barbecue smoke from next door. We accept noises from lawn mowers or snow blowers from the neighbours. In fact we put up with all backyard activities from next door. I can even borrow the lawn mower from next door. At least Canada can borrow this balloon from the U.S. to see how good it is to patrol our Northern Border!!!!!In fact it might just be perfect for the job. It's good to have a neighbour like our cousins. I do not see what this fuss is all about.


kevin3g
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"If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to fear?" Classic fascist brainwashing! You're not doing anything wrong when you're taking a shower, want the U.S. government to watch? The people running the governments in Ottawa and Washington are doing plenty of wrong things, how about giving all of us a good look at how those things work rather than creating a police state to keep all us proles in line.


Samual
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A priest once said to me: You're a young man, I wouldn't recommend that you have god in all areas of your life. So why would I want the government to have free access to my bed room, bath room or any where in my house?


Wendy
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We could try this spying out on all government officials first especially the PM. At the end of a few years we could ask them if they enjoyed being spied on 24/7.


MAL of TO
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So Gord, when someone not nice... say a terrorist, brings a balloon device over Nova Scotia on its way down to do bad things to the US Eastern Seaboard, you won't find that scary either? Israel is so right when they say North America is too lazy to take terrorism seriously, memories dim until the next real event not a made-up 8 fools in the Ontario Wilderness training event occurs.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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Gord, I don't see anything wrong either, if you're living in a police state or a penal colony. If you're living in Canada you should remember we live in a democracy. You know power to the people. Well the people want privacy.


Merlin....................Surrey
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I am sorry to say but my safety comes before your rights. And I don't intend to do anything that would cause my rights to be in question. I don't think it's a question if a fair method is being used to entrap the people who interfere with my rights. Any method to capture the so called bad guy is good. So I'm OK with protecting my safety.


Adele Hay
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Hope it comes with a patch kit.


B.C. Interior
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Come on now...a million dollars for something that could be shot down in the first minute of installation over there? There has to be another idea behind this...like using it somewhere over a country that is not allowed any guns as a right of protection?


Gerry
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This would be an ideal way of tracking illegal immigrants on the Mexican border etc. and along the Canadian borders. So what is wrong with that? Instead of building walls and fences that cost far more than this aircraft.


jim sharen
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boy have they tried their hardest to play this down...there was over 1000 people at this event and at least half mooned the balloon.....Moon The Balloon Final Countdown....google it to see


Theoren
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Just because I am not doing anything wrong doesn't give foreign governments the right to spy on me. (Or my own government, for that matter). It's a slippery slope. I remember when ours was the longest undefended border in the world.


Fred
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The right to be safe in public areas supersedes the right of drug dealers, thieves, and pedophiles to be safe in there activities. Do you have to have sex in front of an open windows? I like to see balloon WEB CAMS cover every corner of my city. Nowhere for crime to hide! Get a legal job! Lets start by rooting out child smoking for a start. Computers can be programmed to automatically report accidents or crimes. Many lives can be saved. There is no end to the good balloons can do.


Len
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Americans are a very paranoid culture so consider that. They have been parnoid before 911, don't let things bother you at least we can sleep at night but they can't because they are afraid that the boogie man is going to get them.


I want my rights...
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Well, it doesn't matter now; obviously there's enough people who would rather give away our rights than protect them them. Those people disgust me. The phrase of "if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about...", what a pile or crap. You don't seem to realize that we're spied upon every day of our lives. Our buying habits, phone calls, watched tv programmes, and a hell of a lot more are being monitored at all times. If your identity can be stolen from criminals, what can stop a government like the former Nazi's from erasing you from existence?No, nothing to worry about...


johny_maple
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Visual pollution........


Observer
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To all the conspiracy theorists and nay-sayers with privacy concerns: Do you have any idea how many times you are recorded on video every day in various places? How much info you share about your daily routine and where you are in the world every time you purchase online, use your credit card/debit card, use Onstar, take highway 407, make a cell phone call etc etc etc? This is the world we live in and guess what...life goes on as normal!!!I'm pretty sure that the US Military/Border Patrol have much more important matters to attend to involving this baloon, than spying on Joe-sixpack from Sarnia.


Con Servative
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USA is always right. If they want to security scan Canada, then that is how must be.If the US decides to nuke Canada, then so be it.I have no worship for anything except the boneheads of the USA command class.


Michael K
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I wonder if people will shoot it down with their guns once it officially becomes a permanent fixure along the border! Kinda reminds me of the "balloon boy" contraption!


Henry
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the mayor of Sarnia and the people of Sarnia are right, the camera is too powerful and this is almost like a invasion of privacy. The government should intervene and stop that.


Adrian from Hamilton
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Oh no. The army bought the balloon boy's story hook line and sinker.


PBW
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For those protesting that their rights might be violated by the deployment of these balloons bearing surveillance equipment: Hot Flash! Big Brother really IS watching you, and his observation has been increasing for decades, linked to the advances in technology. Orwell's novel "Nineteen Eighty Four" warned of the encroachment of government into everyone's life half a century ago. Today, governments use the very methods he spelled out to control our societies. All that is needed are the coalitions (of the willing?) of Oceania (the Americas), Eurasia (does the EU ring a bell) and Eastasia (when WILL China make its move?). Years ago we changed the name of the Ministry of War to the Ministry of Defence; how long before it becomes the Ministry of Peace? Let's face it our Liberals and NDP don't believe our forces should be involved in combat! To those who object to the USA observing its own borders, and maybe looking over to our side of the non-existent fence along the 49th parallel: invest in good drapes!


firstMickey
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Couldn't that big amount of money be used for health care and payment for medications for the elderly on pensions and food for poor people?


reidjr
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To those saying this is a privacy issue.Sure you will play that card untill something happens.Then you will blame the gov claming they not doing enough.


James
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this is the modern age unfortunately, there is no divine control of the world, and thats bad


Rick
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Maybe with this looming over the neighboorhood watching all the backyards closely the ballon boy hoax would have been foiled earlier.


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