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Moonstruck: NASA hits moon twice, looks for water

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When NASA shot a missile into the moon Friday, many were expecting a spectacular dust cloud several kilometres high. However, the images of the explosion weren't as dramatic as anticipated.
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The deputy project manager says that the crater targeted by NASA was chosen because it is in permanent shadow so ice is more likely to be found, but also because of its visiblity from earth.
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An Ontario Science Centre astronomer explains why two NASA spacecraft crashed on the moon Friday into a lunar crater in a search for ice.
Canada AM: Ivan Semeniuk, Dunlap Institute
A science journalist says a mission to end the debate over whether there's water on the moon will begin with an impact to raise a cloud of debris.

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Date: Fri. Oct. 9 2009 3:29 PM ET

WASHINGTON — Take that, moon!

NASA smacked two spacecraft into the lunar south pole Friday morning in a search for hidden ice. Instruments confirm that a large empty rocket hull barreled into the moon at 7:31 a.m., followed four minutes later by a probe with cameras taking pictures of the first crash.

But initial photos show that the moon didn't give the reaction to the double jabs that NASA expected.

And the public definitely didn't get the live explosive views they may have anticipated from the mission called LCROSS, short for Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite.

Screens got fuzz and no immediate pictures of the crash or the six-mile plume of lunar dust that the mission was supposed to kick up for scientists to study. The public, which followed the crashes on the Internet and at observatories, seemed puzzled.

NASA officials touted loads of data from the probe and telescopes around the world and in orbit. But the crash photos and videos they offered at a morning news conference were few and showed little more than a fuzzy white flash.

Still, NASA scientists were happy.

"This is so cool," said Jennifer Heldmann, co-ordinator for NASA's observation campaign. "We're thrilled."

The first photos and videos that NASA got didn't show any plumes. They may still be coming or there may not have been much of a visible plume for the probe and Earth-bound telescopes to see, said LCROSS scientist Anthony Colaprete.

"We saw a crater; we saw a flash, so something had to happen in between," Colaprete said. The crater was the aftermath of the crash and the flash was the impact itself.

The unexpected lack of pictures of a plume could be because the plume was at a different angle, hit slopes or wasn't high enough to show up, he said. Or the lunar soil could have compressed down and not tossed up as much dust as expected, he said.

Colaprete played down the importance of pictures of the plume. Far more important is light spectrum measurements -- taken but not yet analyzed -- to show if there is water or some form of water in what was tossed up. The scientific instruments that took those measurements worked perfectly, he said.

"What matters for us is: What is the nature of the stuff that was kicked up going in?" said NASA project manager Dan Andrews. "All nine instruments were working fine and we received good data."

Andrews said the science team is pouring through the information to answer the big question: Is there some form of water under the moon's surface that was dislodged? It will probably be two weeks before scientists will be certain about the answer, he said.

"This is going to change the way we look at the moon," NASA chief lunar scientist Michael Wargo said at the news conference.

Expectations by the public for live plume video were probably too high and based on pre-crash animations, some of which were not by NASA, Andrews told The Associated Press Friday morning 80 minutes after impact.

Another issue, one NASA thought was a good possibility going into Friday, was that the lighting was bad and work needs to be done on images to make them easier to see, Andrews said.

People who got up before dawn to look for the crash at Los Angeles' Griffith Observatory threw confused looks at each other instead. They tried to watch on TV because the skies in Southern California were not clear enough, but that proved disappointing, too.

Telescope demonstrator Jim Mahon called the celestial show "anticlimactic."

"I was hoping we'd see a flash or a flare, evidence of a plume," Mahon said.

About 100 miles northeast of Los Angeles, 70 elementary school students at the Lewis Center for Educational Research charter school in Apple Valley capped off their weeklong "moon camp" experience by rising early to watch NASA television along with 300 members of the public.

"It was cool seeing actual pictures of the moon live," said 10-year-old Jackson Bridges, but he added: "I wanted to see the debris flying out."

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Dave
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I think this is a good example of why manned expeditions are required over unmanned. With a manned expedition, there would be less hit and miss.


CYL
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'Man' is the most destructive to the universe and here is another example of trying to be more destructive, to the only planet that lights up the darkness. Earth is already depleted with destruction, why not experiment here to reverse the damage, and leave the other planets alone.


Ian Ottawa
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Words fail me. We can't take care of the Earth's water.


Tim from Calgary
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Space exploration and humanity's expansion onto other worlds is the wave of the future. Forward looking and not backward looking like some are suggesting here is not the way to go.


Fred
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It is imperative we make sure enough water exists on the moon, before we waste money on permanent settlement. We will find other habitable planets in our universe if we keep looking. The moon is an important stepping stone in order to secure the long term survival of our culture on these planets.


Brenda
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What a waste of money.


Rose
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Fine example of the uUSA doing what they want without asking what other countries what they think. I guess it is now going to mean they can do anything they want in space. They think they can do anything they want on earth. What's next? I guess they are closer to taking over Canada as well if they want our gas, oil water etc. Of course they will do that a bit at a time.Till one day we find ourselves to be americans.


sarah613
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"NASA did broadcast live pictures of a moon that was getting closer to LCROSS, but no plume."Lol. What a coincedence!! Everything was working fine til of course the actual moment that everybody was waiting for. Ohh those nasa ppl, they can be so bright....in some ways!


danny
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I'm surprised nobody has connected this to weapons research or the "Star Wars" program. From what Nasa has described, the satelite launched and guided the missile into the crater pretty much on it's own with only a few instructions coming from earth. I'm pretty sure some experimential military technology was on board that satelite, so now they have an idea of how well a similar launch mechanism would work if it was facing earth. Nasa is given research dollars for more than just space exploration, in this case looking for water on the moon seems pretty convenient. When they refer to establishing permanent life on the moon, are they forgetting that there is almost no atmosphere to sustain life either?


CrackerJackLee
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Tarnation! That proves it...the moon is hollow after all! That rocket burst through the moon's surface and kept on going! Now it's just rattling around in there. Lucky they didn't break it!


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