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While the burka disturbs me, the concept of the government telling people what they can and can't wear disturbs me more. I believe in total freedom, which means sometimes letting people do stupid things that I may not agree with. Of course the downfall of my above statement is the question with many personal freedoms: is it truly a choice or are they "forced" into it by their husbands or whatever. In those cases, we need to find ways to better protect the women.

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Muslim group urges gov't to ban burkas, niqabs in public

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Date: Wednesday Oct. 7, 2009 10:44 PM ET

TORONTO — Middle Eastern garments designed to cover a woman's face are "medieval" and "misogynist" symbols of extremism with no basis in Islam, a Canadian Muslim lobby group said Wednesday as it urged Ottawa to ban the burka and the niqab.

The Muslim Canadian Congress called on the federal government to prohibit the two garments in order to prevent women from covering their faces in public -- a practice the group said has no place in a society that supports gender equality.

"To cover your face is to conceal your identity," congress spokeswoman Farzana Hassan said in a telephone interview, describing the issue as a matter of public safety, since concealing one's identity is a common practice for criminals.

The tradition of Muslim women covering their faces in public is a tradition rooted more in Middle Eastern culture than in the Islamic faith, Hassan added.

There is nothing in any of the primary Islamic religious texts, including the Qur'an, that requires women to cover their faces, she said -- not even in the controversial, ultra-conservative tenets of Sharia law.

Considering the fact that women are in fact forbidden from wearing burkas in the grand mosque in Mecca, Islam's holiest site, it hardly makes sense that the practice should be permitted in Canada, she said.

"If a government claims to uphold equality between men and women, there is no reason for them to support a practice that marginalizes women."

The proposed ban would include the burka, an iconic head-to-toe gown with a mesh-like panel over the face that allows the wearer to see and to breathe, as well as the niqab -- a veil that leaves only the eyes exposed.

Hassan said the ban would not extend to the hijab, a traditional headscarf that does not cover the face.

The proposed ban comes on the heels of reports that Sheikh Mohamed Tantawi, dean of Egypt's al-Azhar university and the country's highest Muslim authority, is poised to issue a fatwa, or religious edict, against the garments.

Media reports Monday said Tantawi described the face coverings as "a custom that has nothing to do with the Islamic faith."

Mohamed Elmasry, former president of the Canadian Islamic Congress, said he agrees the tradition has its roots in cultural customs rather than religious teachings, but that the issue is irrelevant in Canada where the practice is not widespread.

Elmasry disputed suggestions that the garments pose a security threat, saying only a minority of Muslim women living in Canada feel the need to conceal their features in public.

He said he believes those women should have the freedom to decide whether they wish to cover their faces, and that a ban would limit freedom of expression.

"People feel it's part of their identity, people feel it's part of their culture," Elmasry said.

"It's not for you and me to decide."

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Ummi
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I think that part of the Canadian Charter's position on freedom of religion should expand to freedom to practice one's religion in whatever manner, once it is not harmful to others. And dictating how a woman may or may not dress is not and should not be within the government's realm of authority.


PB in MTL
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While I don't know if I support the outright banning of the practice, which seems pretty culturally insensitive and inflammatory, I do find it interesting that a Muslim lobby group is behind this. It shows how little we know about the discourse and issues within their community, and the changes they are undergoing.


David
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Glad to see that Muslim are starting to opose publicly extremist. Its a really good start.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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In light of our hypocritical federal posture on smoking (a potentially lethal exercise), and being the bastion of political correctness and the self-righteous kingdom of human Charter that we are, how are we going to "BAN" religious followers from sporting certain symbolic attire? (Aside: The intended message put forth by the Muslim Canadian Congress isn't lost on me, though. Thumbs up to them.)


Graeme
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While the burka disturbs me, the concept of the government telling people what they can and can't wear disturbs me more. I believe in total freedom, which means sometimes letting people do stupid things that I may not agree with. Of course the downfall of my above statement is the question with many personal freedoms: is it truly a choice or are they "forced" into it by their husbands or whatever. In those cases, we need to find ways to better protect the women.


Goldens
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Out right ban! NO! But a ban where it may pose a security risk, ie going into a bank etc., Yes! I don't think Winnipegers would like to see face covernings or scarfs banned from public places in mid winter. John Wilson Bridgetown NS


Anne
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I have seen women wearing burkas in my city, and it offends me greatly. It is a symbol of female oppression and of the dispicable attitude that men of that religion hold women in. And it does not belong in Canada. Our infamous Charter of Rights and Freedoms should not be used as an argument to oppress (female) Canadians, I don't care what religion they happen to be.


Heather
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I beleive that banning the burqua and niqab could strengthen racial ties with Canadians since they would appear more approachable. It could open doors that might be shut due to ignorance. many traditional clothing is not worn in Canada due to impactical clothing or significance of clothing. By banning we could open doors and integrate this segment into society so they can enjoy the richness thisland has to offer.


Rob NS
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This woman are forced to wear these "Masks" because of same backward society that does not allow woman to be educated. The few woman that say they like wearing them, are scared to say otherwise, or are so insecure after a lifetime of being forced to wear them in Public.Is is most certainly a security risk, there are cases of men disguised as woman in Burkas for terrorist attacks.


PB_Toronto
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@ Graeme"I believe in total freedom, which means sometimes letting people do stupid things that I may not agree with."Sounds great but we all know to well that we will eventually have to fork out billions of dollars in lawsuits when indiviuals freedom combined with stupidity get them injured in this non consequence era we live. I think that most people enjoy the basic concepts of freedom but I when indiviudal freedom supercedes public interest I ahve an issue. we all have to live together and without rules and limits lines get crossed and people get hurt.This is not a knock on the Burka. I have no problem with it as long as it doesnt superceded public interest. If its ahield so that one doesnt have to identify themselves in drivers licence or voting then I have an issue. I have to for the safety of all as should everyone else.


Jim-Surrey
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When in Rome, do as the Romans!Living in Canada?Dress and act like a Canadian NOT a terrorist!Pretty simple concept!


Graeme
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PB_Toronto, sorry I should have been more clear. In cases where there is clearly a GOOD security reason (driver's license / passport photos, in line at the bank, etc.) they should need to take them off. If it's somewhere where people would be asked to remove a ski mask for security reasons, I think removing the burka would be a valid request. But an outright public ban would go too far in my opinion. It's my hope that eventually common sense will prevail and the things will disappear without government intervention (maybe I'm too optimistic though).


Mo
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While I agree with the sentiments of the argument here, I do not see the need for government intervention of banning these. It would be easily viewed as culturally insensitive and would incite a huge backlash. What people wear should be their own choice, as long as it is not hateful, distasteful, and does not impose against the rights of others.


Dorward
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Let them be. If they CHOOSE to cover up, it is their right. However, when it comes to voting, women should most definitely remove the burka. Having lived in the Middle East, I can tell you, even in a conservative country such as Saudi Arabia, women must remove the burka to vote.If really needed, separate voting rooms may be available for women who don't want to reveal their face.


Frank Buchan
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While I get the negative connotation of these sorts of garments, we do live in a free society (or so I hear). If we aren't willing to ban the ceremonial Sikh dagger, then we simply can't ban this attire. Should we encourage both to fade away -- probably, because faith should have nothing to do with how one dresses -- but the reality is personal choice, when harming no third party, is hard to police.


Greg in Cambridge
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Please...please do as the ask!


Greg in Cambridge
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Please make them look and act more like normal Canadians. They will be accepted a lot more if they do this. Stop looking like they just came fromAfghanistan.


Me_MTL
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Why is there a pic of an Afgani woman in Afganistan when the issue is about Canada. Shouldn't there be a Canadian muslim woman in the pic? Its so sad to see that there is such little understanding of this issue among the general public. Muslims have now become the main focus of society. We need to ask ourselves why this is happeneing? Well here it is, Islam is the fastest growing faith in the world. When there were not as many muslims around people wouldn't care what was happening in those communities. Now that they are apparent in everyday society we are concerned with this. The worst part is that we take a few of the ignorant so called muslims as our examples to Islam. This in turn gives us an ignorant point of view that makes our oppinions on the issues ignorant ones. This issue about the hijab and the burkha's has been blown out of proportion. We always hear the version of the oppressed woman shoved into the burkha but we never hear the millions of stories about the ones that have chosen to wear it on their own. Why the bias? Everyday there are thousands of western women that accept Islam as their way of life and start to impliment the practices. Are we to consider these women to be oppressed also? Wake up people because ignorance is not bliss its a curse. This land we live on had a completely different culture among its inhabitants when the first immigrants came and took over with their ways of life. Now as time goes on the country will be shaped in the image of its new majority.


Allan (Vancouver0
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1/ Aren't there already laws in place in Canada that prohibit a person masking their identity?2/ If the burka is not worn because of the muslim religion, and it's even forbidden in the muslim most holy place, how can anybody argue its use at all?While I don't think the government has any right to intervene in how a person dresses, no matter what anybody thinks of their fashion sense; I also don't think anybody who walks into a bank , or a hotel, or a restaurant, or a bar, etc. covering their face has any right to expect to be served or treated anything less than suspicious. After all it's difficult enough to know who you're going to be dealing with in public places.This is Canada after all and is a state that is not governed by religion. Why should we not uphold our laws just to support another beliefs coming from another place?


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