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Canada AM: A debate over legalizing the sex trade
A former sex trade worker and a representative of a religious group debate the pros and cons of legalizing the sex trade.
CTV National News: John Vennavally-Rao reports
The world's oldest profession went on trial in an Ontario court as three sex trade workers argued Canada's current prostitution laws are unconstitutional.
CTV Toronto: Chris Eby on the law challenge
Sex trade workers were in court fighting the Criminal Code provisions that they say puts them at risk. Chris Eby reports.
CTV News Channel: Lawyer and former dominatrix
Alan Young, the Osgoode Hall law professor representing the women, and former dominatrix Terri Jean 'Madame deSade' Bedford, explain why they want the Court to strike down all the Criminal Code sections pertaining to solicitation to effectively decriminalize prostitution
CTV News Channel: Susan Davis, sex worker
The director of West Coast Cooperative of Sex Industry Professionals says since the current legal framework came into effect, there have been more murders or deaths of sex workers.

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Date: Tue. Oct. 6 2009 8:51 PM ET

The laws that control prostitution in Canada are on trial today in a Toronto courtroom, as two prostitutes and a dominatrix challenge the laws that they say make no sense.

Alan Young, the Osgoode Hall law professor representing the women, says his clients can't understand why prostitution itself is not directly prohibited, and yet all incidental transactions involved in prostitution are.

Young is arguing in Ontario Superior Court that the Criminal Code sections that prohibit "communication for the purpose of prostitution," "living on the avails of prostitution," or "running or occupying a bawdy house" make plying a legal trade legally near to impossible.

"The objective of communication laws is to get prostitutes off the streets, but when you go to move inside, the law that tells you that's a 'bawdy house' that brings more severe legal sanction. When you then go to somebody and say 'Help me and be my driver, make my life more secure,' that becomes a pimping charge called 'living off the avails.' So selling sex is legal but you can't do it in any safe way because the law gives you no safe, legal option. That's the problem," he told CTV News Channel Tuesday afternoon

He says with the way the law stands, prostitutes can't ask the questions need to screen potential clients, can't work in brothels, and can't have anyone protect them. That leaves sex workers vulnerable and forced to work on the streets.

"There are dangers working on the street. (The law) has contributed to the lack of safety and harm women face," he told reporters outside the Toronto courthouse where the case is being heard.

The Crown is expected to argue that decriminalizing prostitution could cause women to view it as "a career choice," make Canada a haven for sex tourism, and perhaps lead to the "red-light districts" across the country.

They also plan to argue that prostitution is inherently degrading, dangerous and unhealthy, and should not be encouraged by lax laws.

"The Charter does not mandate Parliament to design a regime allowing the applicants to earn money by engaging in prostitution with fewer hindrances," federal prosecutor Michael Morris said in a legal brief.

Prostitute Val Scott told reporters Tuesday that current laws ignore the reality on the streets.

"It is legal to sell sex," she said. "Those in opposition have a displaced sense of morality. It is time for Canada to get over it."

Young, too, disagrees with those who argue prostitution is inherently unhealthy and unsafe.

"That's not an empirically sound statement; that's an expression of disgust," he told CTV.

"Obviously, it is safe when conducted indoors; international studies in legalized jurisdictions have shown that. So it's common sense to say it's safer to move indoors," he said.

The three women launching the charter are Lauren Casey, a former prostitute in Victoria, B.C., sex worker Amy Lebovitch, and former dominatrix Terri Jean "Madame deSade" Bedford, whose infamous "bondage bungalow" in Thornhill was raided in 1994.

The three women want the Court to strike down all the Criminal Code sections pertaining to solicitation, to effectively decriminalize prostitution.

They argue that restrictions on their sex work activities are a violation of their rights under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to security of the person and freedom of expression.

While attempts have been made over the years to strike down parts of the prostitution laws, this challenge, which has been two years in the making, is the first in two decades to aim for a broad sweep of all the provisions.

Justice Susan Himel, who is hearing the challenge, will need to assess whether Canada's laws are "proportionate" to their purpose of protecting the public good, or whether they force prostitutes into unsafe situations.

Evidence in the case is expected to consist mostly of affidavits from 56 individuals, including sex workers, police officers, academics and NDP MP Libby Davies, whose Vancouver riding includes the Lower East Side.

The Catholic Civil Rights League of Canada, Christian Legal Fellowship and REAL Women of Canada, have been granted intervenor status in the case and will present their perspective on the issues before the court as well.

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Mattman in Ottawa
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Here's a thought. Since they've pointed out how the existing laws make no sense, let's fix that. Instead of striking down the laws that make it harder and more dangerous to be a prostitute, let's make new law that spells out what these laws don't.

Make prostitution itself illegal. That will answer their complaints and tighten a loophole that shouldn't exist.


Anne
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It is an activity that "does no harm"? Turning women into objects for sexual gratification is not harmful? Wake up. It is one of the most demeaning things that a man can do to a woman. If it needs to be spelled out, then yes, make the whole thing illegal if it isn't already.


mARK, Toronto
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Right, and making prostitution illegal would, of course, make it disappear. Just as laws against blasphemy, interracial sex, alcohol, and abortion historically have.


Scott ONT
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Let me start off by saying that I don't necessarily agree that it is not harmful to the women. That being said however, I don't understand how people can argue that it is degrading to women.

I personally find stripping that much more degrading. It's basically like saying, 'here, dance like a little monkey for a dollar.' At least with prostitution there is an exchange for services, it's not like the women are being forced into it. I just don't get some people's mindset on all this


Robin
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It has never gone away I don't think it will. Just set it up properly and regulate it. I think it would generate some much needed government revenue as well. Let them pay tax! Then maybe I won't have to pay as much.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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This challenge is long overdue, and properly addresses a societal legal farce that effectively serves no one and brings "justice" to nothing. Forcing "the world's oldest profession" into the streets of lesser urban areas and seedy hotels hasn't deterred or removed the industry; rather, it has simply thrown a dark blanket over it and allowed the wrong and unhealthy associating elements to grow, flourish, and prosper.Out of sight; out of a foolish mind. It's time we step out of the prudish dark ages and accept the reality.

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@ Anne: There isn't ANYTHING inherently "harmful" or "demeaning" about two people engaging in consensual sex (money or no money). It's a paid service of pleasurable activity that has no impact on third parties. It is your mindset and misguided perspective that has corrupted, dirtied, and added danger to an otherwise benign industry. (Look at cities/countries where prostitution is legal and fully regulated.)


GregC
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Your arguments against legalizing prostitution are old and tiresome. I am sure that we can think of some undesirable jobs that mostly men do that we can argue are demeaning. It is time to face reality folks.


April
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Well, many women ( and lots of men too) CHOOSE this profession, and are NOT FORCED into it. Why do you feel it is "degrading"? Sex is degrading? Last time I checked it was pretty fun.... and if you are consenting then what's the issue?

Let people do as they wish and if they can make money at it then my hats are off to them. I think Canada needs to reform its ancient views on this. You should be able to have sex for money at your own home or at your client's home or hotel and should definately be able to discuss it. Prostitutes should be allowed to make choices about what ( and who) they do so I agree it should be decriminalized. I'd rather them in a home and safer than out advertising on the streets.... so really.... how would that hurt the public? I think that would be better for the public and for them as well. This is 'the oldest profession' and I don't think the current laws, new laws or no laws will stop it so lets allow them to be allowed to work safer.


Paul in SJ
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Prostitution is often refered to as "the oldest profession in the world". For thousands of years people have exchanged money (or other valuables in the past) for sex. Do you really believe that making this transaction illegal that prostitution will go away?

What is it that we are concerned with, the sex/money exchange or the other behaviours that often coincide with it? Violence, substance abuse and other criminal behaviours are associated with prostituion simply because we as a society have forced prostitution into the dark alleys and dangerous areas. IF we legalize, and even regulate the sex trade indutry then we will be able to ensure that it is a safer profession for the workers and customers.


Darren
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Prostitution has always existed and will always exist. It's time to be a leader in North America and make it safe for the people who chose this lifestyle. License it tax it screen people for disease regularly. It's time to grow up people and get your head out of the sand.


Jilly
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I am a feminist, but I've come a way on this: This issue is about class, not morals. Even in this day and age, women are expected to barter their sexuality for money or security. (It's commonplace for dowdy women of any age to be told to 'fix themselves up" to get a man or better job. Even fat housewives with ten children are expected to look sexy to keep their men.

Sex sells. Prostitution is I guess a career choice for poorer women. (Better than working as a $4.00 an hour employee at Walmart.) And there's a market for it, even in this sexually liberated age. Men seem to want to pay for sex (and not always in the socially acceptable way where they marry someone.. Marriage has always been a kind of financial arrangement. the selling of a womb for security.)

Porn stars are considered sex workers (and porn is very mainstream: ordinary people watch it and our most respected telecommunications companies like Bell make a fortune off it).. Porn stars have to do pretty disgusting stuff, from what I see from the FREE stuff my satellite provider serves up to entice me to buy the other stuff.(perfect consumer product, cheap to make and people will pay a lot for it, like Coke.) so that average moms and pops can get off. We're are all hypocrits when it comes to sex and sex workers.


Josh in High Prairie
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They are right, the laws do not make sense. They should take this opportunity to outlaw prostitution entirely.


Dawn
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Sure some choose to go into it but with certain factors such as poverty, some are forced to 'choose' to go into this so-called profession. Those saying it isn't harmful are absolutely deluded. Is it not harmful to acquire sexual transmitted infections? Is it not harmful to young ones who pretend to be of age? Is it not harmful when violent people assault and/or kill workers? If people were that consenual, then they may as well go to town and do it for free. Save the hassle.


Michael, Cambridge ON
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Re to Anne comment... Remember that there is also males prostitution out there.... This isn't about woman's integrity or rights at all. This is about prostitution itself. It is happening everywhere regardless if man are to be blamed... Poverty is also to be blamed... Drugs are also to be blamed... Society itself is demeaning to woman and man (human being).

Sex is very active in this society as our culture are obessed with sex sell. More young people are having sex everywhere. This is just a tip of iceberg... Making whole thing illegal won't help because it is already being done under table. Making it legal may make it more safer for everybody.

Francesca
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Laws that ignore social reality are of no help to anyone. We should make every effort to improve the conditions under which sex workers operate. At the same time, we should question why this is the only form of livelihood available to some women. How accessible is meaningful employment in the formal labour market and what support systems are lacking?


Devil's Advocate
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Prostitution is not and cannot be made illegal since it involves consenting adults. Why not make it a legal profession that pays taxes and gets health and safety regulations to make it safer and better for both the workers and the clients? Robert Pickton would never have killed so many sex trade workers if they were registered and monitored and somebody cared about them. They were human beings and Canadian citizens lest we forget. It is time to recognize and regulate, not prohibit the profession.


Mike in Calgary
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Prostitution is not men taking advantage of women. There are plenty of male protitutes, for women or men. And what are a lot of relationships... favors for favors, be it sexual or not. I take you out for dinner, we go back to your place for some physical action, and we talk abot it at some point, is that communication for the purpose of arranging sex? I think so.

I guess we are all guilty.

Turf the laws, make it legal, and start collecting the tax for it.


dutchman
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The one element that would have to be thrown into the mix is health safety. Regulate it all you want but include a scheduled medical evaluation every month.

This is one of the aspects that has caused HIV/AIDS, and for that reason alone it should be banned.


CraigW
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As a musician, I worked in many bars frequented by prostitutes and I have yet to see a single one that didn't live a lifestyle of sheer poverty. Making this job any more pallatable through better laws or otherwise is just going to make matters worse. It's kind of like giving an addict free drugs because he is going to get them anyhow and we should be making it safer. Some people just aren't good at seeing the big picture.


Darren in sask.
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Dawn, it is harmful in its current state for sure. That is why it needs to be brought out of the back alleys and dark places and run by bad people such as organized crime etc.. We have an opportunity here to make it safer for everyone. If it was run by legitimate business people who lost there licensing if they engaged in illegal activities such as underage girls or human trafficking those activities would decline because its out in the open for everyone to see rather than in dark unsafe places like it is now. Just like a strip bar or a casino you have a choice to participate or not.


Laurie
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Government of Canada....If your desire is to diminish the dignity of women even further...go ahead and legalize. If your desire is to spread STD's/AIDS more widely... go ahead and legalize.If your desire is to encourage the further breakdown of family and community....go ahead and legalize.If your desire is to continue to remove laws that provide some essence of human dignity in this country, don't expect the culture to be healthy, happy or psychologically sound.


Alyssa
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Anyone ever seen Firefly, or the movie Serenity? In the Firefly-verse there are Companions who are trained, licensed, with mandatory checkups twice a year. They get to screen/choose their clients openly and are protected by their guild and the laws. Or read J.D. Robb's Eve Dallas series? Same deal - licensed, screening methods, health care! Yes, these are works of fiction, but isn't it about time that life imitated art?!

I'm not a sex worker, and I don't want to be. That doesn't mean I'm going to look down on someone who makes that choice. I'm also SICK TO DEATH of the prejudice that only WOMEN are sex workers. Guys get paid to be escorts and sex partners too. And as long as no one is being forced or hurt and everyone is being safe and respectful, WHAT is the problem?

It's been around this long. Face it. Sex work is here to stay, legal or not!


Anne
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Can't stop it, so legalize it. Pretty pathetic point of view. And it is demeaning, and frankly reduces the human beings pariticipating in it to a lowest common denominator. And I am not speaking from a prudish point of view, sex between individuals where there is an emotional bond is something entirely different. As supposedly intelligent beings, you'd think that we would be beyond handing over hard earned money for, let's face it, 30 seconds of gratification.


Steve the Pundit
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People need to make the distinction that it is prostitution in it's CURRENT form in this country that creates the problems of degradation, sexually transmitted diseases, drug abuse, violence, etc.Updated, reasonable laws that include registration, licensing, regular medical inspections and, yes, taxation of income, would all but eliminate the criminal element that is the primary cause of all of the "ills" outlined above.Don't get me wrong, it's not a profession I'd want to see my wife, sister or daughter become involved in.

That said, there is an inherent difference in CHOOSING to become involved in an activity that's ultimately protected by transparency and government involvement, then to be COERCED by the subhuman element that preys upon women in desparate or difficult situations in which they APPEAR to have NO CHOICE.Prositiution is not about to go away after thousands of years; but we can make many of the problems go away if we only take an enlightened, practical approach.


Formerly
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Prostitution will NEVER go away. Has no one thought that if prostitution is regulated that it will cut down or eliminate child prostitution, sexually transmitted diseases in prostitutes and drug use of prostitutes? Not to mention the tax revenue our government would be able to collect. Those collected monies could go to improve our failing healthcare system, or to improve the education system. Let's really think about this!


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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Anne, Thats a very narrow viewpoint you have. What makes you think that this is a man vs woman thing.It seems to me that whenever there is a callgirl bust, it's always a woman running the operation. Prostitution is about money. Not male dominance.


Paul
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Casual comments are being made without really knowing the impact that this industry is having. Sex slavery is already alive and well in North America and isn't just in places like Thailand. Do you realy think that legalizing it will deter this practice? Get real. We'd be creating a bigger market for Organized Crime.


canUdigitSucka
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With all the sex in tv, movies, commercials and sporting events it's time to make the sex trade legal. It could be one of those businesses that is recession proof?


Scott ONT
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It's like politics. We'll never change the mind of the people on here so why bother arguing.Do you really think there are more prostitutes out there with STDs than "non-pros"? As for people saying women are forced into this by poverty! As opposed to what, going on welfare? And the drugs, also a choice and like someone said, if it was regulated and monitored, this probably wouldn't be an issue. People gotta stop living in the stone age. It's gonna happen regardless of what the laws say, regulate it to protect those that work in the industry as well as those that make use of it and be done with it.


Manitoba Bill
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I feel kinda bad for the judge in this case. I know I'd have a difficult time with this. On one hand how can you support such a depraved life choice? On the other, how can you not realise that this form of business has been around longer than time itself, and cleaning it up might save people's lives.

Prostitution has been around forever, and it will be around as long as man walks the earth. I support these women in their quest for a cleaner, safer work environment...I guess.I don't agree with their lifestyle choice, but I am capable of putting my christian beliefs aside for a moment and look at possibly creating some good from the bad. If the spread of AIDS can be slowed by having prostitutes and their clients screened on a regular basis for STD's, then I think that's something worth supporting.


Jilly
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Anne. I used to believe that..But in the past, decades, I have seen no movement towards social action that would address the inequality in society, the class divide is actually GROWING..and hugely. Women, young and old, despite the fact they are overrunning the universities, are even more pressured to be sexy. hot., because it fuels the rampant consumerism out there. And I see that we are all hypocrits. We actually love prostitutes.. female ones. actresses and models are the most esteemed female professions, and actresses and models sell their sexuality for money. I've been told that many prostitutes have been abused sexually as children... I would LOVE that every woman had 100 percent self esteem and every choice was made int his light... It ain't gonna happen


Kevin in Vancouver
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I have lived in countries where prostitution is legal, Germany, Holland, Belgium to name a few. In those countries they have licensed brothels that cater to men who are looking to purchase sex. The women are medically cleared, there is security and usually the food is pretty good.

However even in these places there is still a flourishing street prostitution trade that is made up of underage women and men as well as those who cannot medically or physically work in the main stream trade. The seemy side of what most here are calling no harm sexual contact between consenting adults will never be elliminated. Also the main point all the philisophical liberals are missing here and that is very important is that by striking down the anti communicating for sexual purposes law will allow men to solicit sex from anyone...yes anyone so if your okay with a 50 year old man offering your 18 year old daughter or son money for sex and being able to do it legally....you really need to evaluate your principals.

Think about it, why hire a prostitute when you can get a struggling single mother for the same or less money. I say create legal brothels but keep the no soliciting laws in place for our childrens sake.

Susan
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I don't think that legalizing prostitution would make a difference. It would only legitimize high class call girls. The girls that are in real danger are the ones that are poor and addicts. Do you think they are going to register themselves to work as a prostitute?

They will still turn a trick for that rock of crack or that hit of heroin and there will always be people willing to pay their prices rather than the $$$ it's going to cost for the legitimate workers (if prostitution is legalized). With legalized prostitution there will still be a black market ring with all the dangers involved.


Robert J in Calgary
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"Selling is legal. Sex is legal. Why isn't selling sex legal?" (George Carlin). We don't need to get rid of selling sex, we need to get rid of pimps, abuse and naiveté and neglect of women, associating sex with the drug dealers and low-life parasites. We need to get rid of religion and silly municipal power politics and start using spiritual and practical wisdom, some common sense, and that requires input from those involved. We need to get rid of the transmission of diseases and prevent unwanted pregnancies. We need to have the women involved in control and they need ways to protect and promote themselves.


Indi
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Dawn: "Some choose to go into it but with certain factors such as poverty"

We have welfare in Canada, if poverty is an issue wouldn't that be a easier choice, the reason women sell themselves is that it is opportunistic.

Dawn: "Is it not harmful to acquire sexual transmitted infections?"

It is harmful to catch a disease, so so I guess we should all stop having sex.

Dawn: "Is it not harmful to young ones who pretend to be of age? Is it not harmful when violent people assault and/or kill workers?"

Underage sex and violence are two very good reasons why we should regulate this growing industry instead of ignoring it with antiquated laws.

Dawn: "If people were that consenual, then they may as well go to town and do it for free. Save the hassle."

If the world were that simple then why are we having this conversation?


Chris from Preeceville
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Legalize prostitution, regulate it, and then tax it. That's right tax a 60 Billion dollar a yr sex industry like you do everyone else and use the money to pay off the defecit. While they are at it Legalize, regulate, and tax POT like they do cigarettes. Instead of whining about the morality of it all.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Anne: As your replying comment indicates the choice to ignore the intelligent, rational, and practical arguments favoring the legalization and regulation of prostitution, we're left only with the notion that you disapprove of such a forward measure "just because," and/or, you have a monolithic gender-sex issue with men seeking a prostitute.
(Aside: Nobody is suggesting that we legalize it only because we can't stop it.) Either way, you're simply underscoring the weakness of the stubborn opposition.


Ayden
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Time to legalize, get it off the streets and into places where these workers can be safe, what i wouldn't trade to keep young girls off the streets by having some sort of regulation, having less drugs and violence and less disease.

Which is what would happen as things became regulated. Taxes paid hookers with the right to say no and screen their clients. To have the ability to have a safe place to do what they choose. it would change things dramatically. you are right, right now prostitutes have no money because they are having to give it to pimps. So they are getting 20 for every 400 they bring in.. if it was legalized don't you think it might help those women and men out. If they legalize it it would make it a lot harder for the criminal underworld to have their hands in the cookie jar. just my 2Cents.


Devil's Advocate
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Anne, this is not a men vs women issue. For me it is a health and safety issue. Canada has an obligation to protect all of its citizens. If the trade were registered and publicly administered, someone would have noticed those 50 missing women and they might still be alive and safely living in Vancouver today.


rachel -sudbury ontario
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Unfortunately the statute of rights will most likely legalize the prostitution trade with that will come more control regarding Health,Finances,it will become Government mandated for prostitutes to have regular Transmitted Disease Detection,this wont make it mandatory for the male/female (as prostitution is no longer a female profession),"consumer" however to be tested, these prostitutes will also have to pay taxes to both federal and provincial parties, it will outlaw street prostitution as they will not be licensed to participate as a streeet vendor.

What Canada will have to take guard against is another Amsterdam where the prostitute displays themselves in front windows in Residential areas,where other forms of crime have taken over,so with all this being said and done, will the prostitutes want to be forced to submit to government, I am against prostitution as it brings in more criminal element and frankly don't feel my tax monies Health/Finance should be spent on something that is totally preventable SOLICITATION ANDPARTICIPATION (johns) ILLEGAL..


BobH
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Why are we allowing religious groups to intervene in a non religious court case? The Catholic Civil Rights League of Canada nor the Christian Legal Fellowship have no right to influence/enforce their religous dogma on Canadians by intervening in criminal law cases.


Tammy
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I think it's ridiculous that people are going to court to argue about something that should be illegal altogether. I agree making prostitution itself illegal then we wouldn't have to worry. Mind you, it's not like the police do anything anyways, they see prostitutes on the street and do nothing. GOOD JOB!


Ashamed To Be Human
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Someone else commented here that it is a poverty situation where woman choose it over a $4 an hour job….Right….I put it forth that you are just jealous that a sex worker can make anywhere from $100 to $1000 dollars for an hour’s work and you just wasted $80,000 on an education to slave away in a corporate workhouse until you die for much less….I think the average hooker or stripper is a lot smarter than you think…Force, abused, and degraded….yep…sounds more like the corporate world to me…Maybe we should pass a law that makes solicitation for the purpose of obtaining money by working for the corporate world illegal……or just go after the corporations themselves…after all, they benefit from the profits of using and abusing their workers….


Dan from Northern Ont
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Religion aside, it really says a lot of what our society has become, and how family values are going down the toilet. Then again most of us aren't having kids these days.


S.B.
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I think they should legalize it and tax it. The girls in Nevada are given weekly doctor checks and tested for STDs. Making it legal and controlling it is the only way to take the "pimps" out of the equation. Makes it safer for the girls and for the customers. If it was legal, think of the money rolling into gov't coffers.


Grant BC
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Scott ONT. Many women are forced into prostitution against their will. What world did you grow up in.


FrankyB
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Give me a break. If the courts even hear this stupid argument for prostitution should have their heads examined.


Hagios
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Prostitution is NOT a socially respectable vocation and never has been considered as such. If you think prostitution is acceptable then send your wife out to help pay the bills if you think its "OK for them"."Anything goes" is NOT a family value Canadians desire for our nation. The Liberals however have a policy to legalize prostitution, drugs and who knows what if elected . Social decay in Canada must be reversed and you have a say in it.


Darren in sask.
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Sex and violence are base brain animal functions that all animals have. To deny that we are animals is to not understand the human condition. Channeling our base brain functions into appropriate activities is also possible. From David Letterman to Elliot Spitzer to Lennox Lewis we are all a slave to our base brains, understand it embrace it channel it appropriately and a better society we will have.


Jilly
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Family Values? Tradition family values -more often than not- meant you married one kind of girl the virgin, but consorted (before and after marriage) with another, 'the whore.' ... Men were never expected to be virgins at marriage, so they must have been expected to get their experience somewhere..A few years ago I recall reading that Pretty Women was the favorite movie of 10 year old girls. I was a bit shocked, and then I realized that it was just a Cinderella story....Roberts' character had only 'done it' a few time for money. She wasn't that tainted, merely a bit experienced.Of course, catching a beautiful rich man is every woman's goal. Whatever it takes.

For health and safety reasons, I do believe prostitution, like recreational drugs,should be legalized. (Hey they legalized gambling to get it out of the hands of the underworld and now it's big business). I don't know if legalizing it will make men come to better respect the women and not treat them, as someone once put it, as receptacles to masturbate into. Perhaps it is the illegality of it that is a turn on. Perhaps men don't want to have to deal with emotions, or worry about performance. Perhaps the men can't get anyone else to put out.Better ask the men and the women involved.

liz ottawa
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Much as it sounds immoral I am also of the view that prostitution should be legalized, for many reasons: if it were legal, it would be safer for both the pros and the johns (since if it were legal there would probably be a requirement for monthly testing for stds), there would be a payment record that would lead to it being safer for the pros, and lastly it would generate tax revenue. this argument will never win but I think it is the only logical course of action. it is called the oldest profession for a reason, it will never go away, face it and deal with it properly at long last.


Joe
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Just because something is law doesn't mean it's right. Prostitution is still prostitution, wether legal or not. Taxing prostitution is tax prohibitive since you have to have departments employing doctors, social workers, administrative assistant and what not to look after these women and men. Yeah sex sells but at what cost to society? At what cost to the family? You think just prostitutes and johns are affected by prostitution? Legalizing it won't stop the traffic or child sex workers. It'll just push it further underground.


Paige
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There are many occupations which involve the human body and yet are considered acceptable in our society. A career which exchanges bodily services for money cannot be considered demeaning and should not be evaluated in a context different from any other job where the body is used for income. It is merely our Western/Christian paradigm that makes this practice so taboo...it's time to start a revolution.


Doug @ BC
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Frankly I'm not sure how, or what kind of pleasure a man could possibly find in being with a woman who is only there for the money, and is very likely looking at him with more contempt than anything else. While I agree with most of what "Professor Pye Chart" said,I have become less liberal on this topic over time.

Those women are also the daughters, mothers, wives, friends, sisters of many people. And to many of them are not really engaged in "consentual" sex at all.

Many are little more than slaves to pimps,poverty,or drug addiction.It seems to me,that sleeping with them is just taking advantage of the desperate situation they find themselves in. That said, I have no solution. This is not going to go away. A few more laws will be ignored just as well as most of our unenforceable laws are.

I would add though,that patronizing the young and the drug addicted should be treated very harshly by the courts. While it's impossible for the "John" to know for certain if the woman really is working as a prostitue by "choice", I think it's important to consider.Right or wrong,I would feel a lot less guilty about sleeping with a prostitute if she was educated enough to get other work if she wanted to,was reasonably well adjusted,was not drug addicted,and certainly was mature enough to actually "consent". But,I doubt more laws will fix this.


Greg in Cambridge
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When you allow two males or two females to legally marry each other,what's wrong with a Man and A Woman having sex in private even if one of them pays for it?Nothing as far as I can see. It's been going on since time began so what's the big deal?


Scott ONT
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Grant BC "Scott ONT. Many women are forced into prostitution against their will. What world did you grow up in."I'm not saying no one is forced into it. But come on, the majority of them aren't. It's an opportunistic way to make money. Give your head a shake man. You think all the listings online or in the phone book are criminal organizations forcing these women into having sex. All I'm saying is for the most part it's a choice the women/men make. If the government can protect them by regulating it and their practices why not? Making the act of prostitution illegal won't change anything anyways. There's a reason it's not illegal already, the government knows it won't do any good.And fyi I grew up in a world where I've travelled many places where it is legal and to be honest, crime isn't any worse and society isn't so close minded


julie
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Making the sex trade legal may help reduce crimes against sex workers. Personally it doesn't offend me to legalize it, and I think people who want to hire a 'sex' worker do it regardless of whether it's legal or not. Certainly not saying that it is something I would ever consider or want my husband to do. I do believe Sex is meant to be something shared within a mono relationship, but that's not how the world works.


Scott ONT
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And Grant BC wouldn't society's money be better spent focusing on stopping the corruption of the people forcing these women into prostitution as opposed to punishing the prostitutes?


Tom from Ontario
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I think we ned to recognize that prostitution has been legal and regulated in some parts of Europe for many years. As such, the workers and clients are protected. Community health concerns can be monitored and corrected and violent crime associated with this target group is lessened.

We need to get off our 'high horses' and refraining from judging the profession. If you are opposed, don't engage.


Caillin
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"Why are we allowing religious groups to intervene in a non religious court case?" I was thinking the same thing when i was reading the article. Use common sense vs getting involved in a politically charged debate with religious groups. And no, we do not need them to define for us any sense of morality. Separate Church and State please.


Melody
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Are you kidding me? The gov't is considering invading our privacy to do random "spot checks" to remove drunk drivers, who may otherwise have no signs of impairment, or reason to pull the vehicle over, "to protect citizens", but we won't allow prostitutes to have a level of safety by allowing them to be "housed". This is ridiculous.We have these guaranteed rights:

8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.

9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned. ... however, the gov't is actually considering tramping on these, but won't allow sex-trade workers to be "safe".I think the sex-trade workers should be allowed to be "housed". - Perhaps they should also be allowed to have "pimps" or "madams", if these persons are limited to a small percentage of the workers pay. 10% or 15%, if that person is providing some level of safety.


Kyle from the rock
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One question to everyone who believes that anything can stop this trade. This is one of the oldest businesses in the world, possibly one of the first types of trade. Are you saying that the dominatrix that is leading this fight is getting demeaned in any way, and it is not just women that sell the sex trade, there are not just men that pay for the sex trade. Why not legalize it and make them pay taxes, if they want to try and end it tax the hell out of it like they did to stop smoking and drinking... oh wait that wont stop it either


Greg
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Fix the laws. Make it illegal.


TLC
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I can honestly say that I am sickened by what I'm reading. I couldn't even read all the comments, especially after the "Prof.". Prostitution is not a "career" choice. For most men/women, boys/girls in it, ask them how they feel inside ... degraded, used, hopeless. Have you ever met someone who said that their career is a prostitute? Would you think it was cool? or treat them as lower class? Be honest now. I can say this, because for the last 20 years, I have visited my friend's grave who was murdered because she was "just a prostitute". She'd had a hard life and had gone down a wrong path, after a while she realized that and tried cleaning up her life, only to have some rich boy brutally murder her.

So, think again folks, prostitution is not going to go away, legalizing it won't make it a career ... it needs to be illegalized ... these boys/girls, men/women need help, emotional help. Stop glorifying it. If you need a dose of reality, come with me to my friend's grave, you can see what this lifestyle can do. Would you want your child in it?


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Doug @ BC: You're correct to assert that legalization likely won't eliminate the neighborhood "crack whore" who's desperate and living at rock-bottom. However, as you concede, of course, making her activity "unlawful" is a futile and worthless exercise. Her struggle requires a different fix. The point remains that lawful and regulated prostitution has been proven to "clean up" most of the underpinning social and criminal issues that surround this centuries-old business. Sometimes a good conservative has to be a little liberal in his/her thinking.


Steve
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Hmmm.... imagine, prostitution legalized, controlled, taxed, Hmmm marijuana... legalized, controlled, taxed.... well we just freed up half the the Canadian Police Services and the court systems Canada wide and increased our GNP by 20 plus percent. Problem here is not a moral question... fact is, the Canadian government (we the people) are not getting our share of the revenue created and the more we ignore it the less likely its going to go away!


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Doug @ BC: As a tag to my previous comment, I should add that if sex isn't "consensual" it's called RAPE. (Let's keep things clear and simple.) As for being reluctant participants, many prostitutes probably set off to work just like many corporate cubicle rats do each day. It's a job.


val
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Kyle from the rock said: Why not legalize it and make them pay taxes, if they want to try and end it tax the hell out of it like they did to stop smoking and drinking... oh wait that wont stop it eitherWell, dear Kyle, I don't want anyone to pimp my daughter (she's 7 years old now ;) ) including the gov. You can't compare smoking and drinking with prostitution.Here is my answer to you:Why would anybody send their children to school? Is it prostitution really a profession?


Pip
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I have to wonder about the law being there in the first place. Was it created simply for the prevention of the spread of disease through prostitution, or was it there because of some religious/moral reason? If the first, and a means to decrease the rate of STD's, then OK. However, in 2009, medical checkups on a regular basis, barrier contraceptives and antibiotics make that reason irrelevant. If the reason is religious, which religion are we talking about? While the Catholic church has a right of intervenor in the case, perhaps another religion could intervene on the side of legalization. Personally, I believe religion should play no part whatsoever in the criminal and civil laws of our nation. Forcing through laws at the behest of a single religion demeans all other religions; review the result when Ontario suggested the use of Sharia - a better result was obtained when no religious group was allowed to mediate in civil marriage disputesGo ahead with the case, and have the result upheld or overturned at the Supreme Court level; and as necessary, change the law to fit the circumstances. But at that point, please, get off your soap boxes!


Eddie Grant
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It seems to me that Canada legalized prostitution so that these women would not be victimized twice. I understand that most prostitutes are pushed into the trade against their will and are exploited by their pimps, so to criminalize them might be seen to be unfair. The remaining laws were intended to combat prostitution without victimizing the women further. Not criminalizing the prostitutes was never intended to be an endorsement of prostitution. This sounds to me like one of those "slippery slopes" that folks talk about from time to time.


Patricia
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Legalize prostitution and stop pretending that it does not exist just because it happens in back alleys or in johns' cars. Legalizing it will force health checks on the women (and thus for the men too), and safety for them in legal brothels. It is the world's oldest profession and is never going to go away so let's grow up about it and make it as safe as it can possibly be for the participants. It has nothing to do with morality, but has everything to do with reality.


JDS
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The argument that prostitution is the "oldest" profession and has always been around is not an argument to legalize it. By that logic, murder should alsobe allowed since it's been around longer than prostitution and no law will ever rid society of murder.Nevertheless, from a health and safety point of view its reasonable to impose limits on the sex trade that would not violate the Charter to prevent drug abuse, kidnapping, and abuse that almost always result from the sex trade.As a society, it's time we had an honest debate on how we treat each other and what the limits of our collective morality will accept.


pdw
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While we're at it, what about murder? What's the harm in murder? I mean, everyone is going to die sooner or later, it is just a matter of time. If I choose to shorten someone's time, so what? Isn't that my choice?There has always been murder in our society, and always will be, so why try to legislate against it? Why don't we legalize it instead, so that we can better regulate who gets killed, how, and when?Anyone who doesn't agree is obviously behind the times and needs to modernize their views on morality and a set of societal mores that don't apply anymore.


Mark
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Someone mentioned that even if we legalize prostitution there will still be prostitutes and pimps on the streets, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't make it legal to protect as many of them as possible. If the gov't could centralize areas and venues where it is legal (brothels and such) with permits and regulations (like selling alcohol in restaurants). And then outlaw others like streets and homes (like we do with no smoking around public areas).Lets look at the big picture here and use other Countries with legal prostitution. I certainly don't think Germany is immoral or the Netherlands as a place I won't go to because they have prostitutes. Maybe some of you wouldn't go to those places because of it, but lets be real here it's not keeping most people away. It's not just about generating tax revenue either there's potential tourism advantages too. If you say well if it's that type of people who are visiting Canada I rather have a poorer Canada... well by all means make your opinions heard by the government because those people in office are our moral compass....I know there are those of you who would twist my words like "so we're gonna have prostitutes working in restaurants!? Is there something wrong with you!? *snap snap*". NO thats not what I'm saying, they're just examples!


Alysia Erickson
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Prostitution is the oldest business on earth, it is shortsighted and frankly unintelligent to think that we can get rid of it; so why don't we put these women in a safer position instead? Prostitution should be legalized and unionized so these women have power and control over their bodies.
I live in Edmonton, there are multiple active serial killers on the prowl out west, but you never hear about them on the news as they primarily pray on prostitutes... native prostitutes in particular. That is a category of person that most of Canada chooses to pretend doesn't exist. And need I remind people of who Pickton chose to go after, or the highway of tears killer? Why don't we start helping these women rather than looking down our noses at them while feeling holier-than-thou about this entire situation? I'm not saying that prostitution is a good career choice... but it doesnt have to be a life-ender either!


Graeme
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To me, what's degrading is saying to autonomous adults that you know what's best for them. I'm not saying I agree with the choices these women make (and in cases where it isn't there choice, we need to help them), but it's not for me to tell them what to do with their bodies or to tell them the conditions in which sex is okay. As for it being harmful, true, but it's largely harmful because it's illegal. At legal brothels in Nevada with good security at the compound, regular checkups for the women, and safe sex rules, it appears to be a far safer activity (at least from one television show I saw on the subject).


MasterWooten
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Its not just about prostitution, on the social side, its about aiding the cycle of substance abuse by prostitutes, abuse of the women who have in the past been abused sexually and legal or not prostitutes endager themselves by putting themselves out there to be picked up in the streets like animals, which is how they are treated and often with tragic consequences. After the Robert Picton case I can't see how any sane person can justify trying to decriminalize or make prostitution easier. Forget the objectification of women forget STDs, organized crime profits big time off of prostitution and to think that by legalizing an activity you'll make the gangsters run away leaving their profits behind is insane. Such folks kill their own people for one simple missed payment or missed shipment.This is a junk case, the lawyer is going to try to add or invent meaning to section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which reads "Life Liberty and Security of the Person", which is really a void meaningless section upon which no real conclusive law sits. Past section 7 cases have included failed arguments proclaiming the right to smoke weed and such. The Court if it is not trying to out think common sense will dismiss this case before it even gets started. If the presiding justice is a woman she should not only dismiss the case but admonish Alan Young for offending her in much the same way a lawyer would be offending a black justice if he were to file a motion asking for a repeal of the 13th, 14th, and 15th ammendments of the US Constitution.


Barb, Montreal
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Keeping prostitution illegal is ridiculous. It's an outdated dinosaur law supported by social conservatives who get a thrill in their otherwies boring lives by trying to dominate what they believe to be the moral high-ground. I'm tired of having these stiflingly-conservative moral views shoved down my throat. What two consenting adults do in private is nobody's business but their own. Mind your own business (it gets easier).


c frsom Calgary
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Wow people - how easy it becomes to throw around generalizations so that the people involved in prostitution have no face or else we easily believe the few outspoken ones who are suppose to represent them all. We have learned well from the media my friends to talk in terms of generalizations of the "other" in order to keep reality at arm's length.
We do not really understand the voice of poverty unless we have walked a mile or two in their shoes. Women/girls who are forced into prostitution because of poverty do NOT have happy stories of self-fulfillment and self-actualization. HA! Come on people get real! What are we really trying to say?? We are caught up in a society that would rather focus on pleasure on demand, not actually help the impoverished.
I hope some day we will grow up to be actually human where we care for each other and not take advantage of those less fortunate.


Riverman
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Legalize it, don't legalize it; it doesn't matter, prostitution will always exist in some form or another. If laws were passed to legalize prostitution at least there would be a place where sex workers who CHOOSE to work in the profession could work in relative safety, and there would be some tax dollars collected. Also, clients would have a place to go without fear of being arrested.However, there will always be a black market for prostitution. Sex workers who didn't want to, or couldn't, get licensed would work illegally and they would charge less than the government taxed "services". Clients who wanted to save a few dollars, or wanted "services" not offered by government regulated sex workers would go to these prostitutes.In my opinion, there is a place for government regulated prostitution where the sex workers could work in a safe and healthy atmosphere and help collect tax dollars. Many clients would pay the extra money knowing that their sex worker was medically tested and that they wouldn't be arrested.What needs to be made illegal is 'unlicensed' prostitution - both the buying and the selling of. This way, the police forces have a way of cracking down on the undesirable elements of prostitution (STD's, sex for drugs, sexual slavery, pimping, etc.) and the willing sex workers, as well as the public, have a safe and healthy way of conducting the business of sex.For those of you who think that prostitution will go away if you make it illegal, give your head a shake.


sandyvc
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REAL Women of Canada have no right to input on this. They do not represent all types of women, just the fundamentalist christian type. They are not real women as they hide behind their men for protection and meaning. They have not had to make the choice to let their children starve or prostitute themselves. Nor have they chosen to better themselves by going to college and paying for it with prostitution. They do not use logic and facts. They base everything on their men's interpretation of morality. They do not speak for me and mine. Nor do the Catholics but at least they are honest about what they are up to.


andy
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Scott - I personally find stripping that much more degrading.-----Here's a thought experiment, Scott. Who gets the money after the transaction? Who gets to tease and manipulate an audience that seeks out the entertainment? Who's degrading whom? The stripper or the audience?


MasterWooten
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"Kyle from the rock said: Why not legalize it and make them pay taxes..."No No No... Okay to Val and to all you who think that we can just "legalize it an make them pay taxes..." and to those of who who keep citing Germany or the Netherlands ... here's where you are wrong and why I KNOW you've never participated in organized criminal activity in North America.The criminals who profit from prostitution know it is currently illegal for them to do so. Since they are currently breaking the law in bold and blatent fashion why do you think that these people will suddenly decide to pay taxes? Taxes are the LEAST of their criminal indiscretions. And lets say one decides not to continue robbing the CRA (while continuing to rob others...) why would he start paying taxes now let alone the fact that he might not even have a SIN number? So he files taxes today for the first time in his life, and is fairly weel off, you don't think that the CRA is going to come at him for back taxes from previous years or be looking into his other activities and share said information with the RCMP??? Think about it, what criminal is gonnna willingly open up their books to the government?Then there are the rediculous comparissons to countries like the Netherlands and Germany which are worlds apart from Canada in all kinds of demographic stats including crime. Look German and Dutch organized crime is is naissant compared to that over here and while its deadly here, there it is a mere nuissance and easier dealt with by defacto decriminalization which means that it is not policed but maybe so if it becomes too intollerable.


Angela
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Sex work should be decriminalized. Look at New Zealand. They've gotten a completely decriminalized regime and violence against women has dropped significantly. Even non-sex worker women. Those who say that it creates unwanted social situations and degrades women are not looking at the empirical evidence. Oh, and to be clear, an active sex worker who was elected into their Parliament drafted the legislation. Not all sex workers are powerless "slaves".Also, we have other laws against coercion, kidnapping and assault. All of these laws protect every one from the bad consequences that we associate with sex work. Maybe if a sex worker wasn't afraid to call the police because of her profession, she would not be in such great danger. I worked with sex workers this summer working at legal aid. Something has got to change. If we are not willing to raise social insurance to something that makes economic sense, you are going to have a lot more sex workers on the street. EI is 6$/day in Nova Scotia. I'd turn a trick or two if I had kids to feed.


James
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I agree let prostitution be legal in Canada, It might be even be cheaper then a years subscription of Lava Life!!


P Laing
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Let sex worker's operate safely under a law that protects both the workers and their cliental and gives them the same option to safe working conditions that we all enjoy!


MasterWooten
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What needs to happen is many more prostitution sting opperations on both Jons and on prostitutes themselves.Expose the Jons, let them get criminal records, let prostitution cost them jobs, relationships, prestige and we'll see how many "average Joe" types will continue frequenting Prostitutes. If we start jailing Jons for long periods of time they'll go from soliciting sex from emotionally, spiritually, financially, morally and chemically damaged women to having larger stronger prisonmates soliciting sex from them in cases where "no" might not be enough to ward off the advance.Its not about just going after the girls, they need to be addressed too, sting operations can be used effectively to bring down escort services if we make prostitution itself illegal. Some of these girls are young and if the cops were to implement a sting operation that had the appearance that it would turn nasty and violent just before the bust, then maybe some of these girls (who are hardly hardened criminals) would think twice about the world's oldest and perhaps one of its ugliest professions.Prostitution has been around forever, so has murder and sexual assault both of which nobody would call to see legalized. You can't always give up on handling difficult situations, sometimes you or we as a society must soldier on despite the daunting task.Afterall who here wishes to see their mother or sister being used and abused by men for mere pocket change? Honour and dignity are real and mean something and the fact that some of you would discount them says more about you than it does about the prostitutes.


Doug @ BC
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WHile I usually have a great deal of respect for the opinions suggested by Prof.Pye Chart,I have to take issue with the notion that ALL non consentual sex is called RAPE.Perhaps by the letter of the definition,that may be the case in the courts.But,whether recognized in legal terms or not,real "consent" really should require the ability to give consent.A lot of criminals have been acquitted because they were in no condition to form the "intent" required to convict them. For me,it's not a debate about the legality as much as the morality of taking advantage of someone who is in dire straits.Frankly,I doubt anyone can write a law to cover that.I was merely making the point,that,in a lot of cases,hiring a prostitue is not a victimless act regardless of what the law says.And,while perhaps not by the absolute definition,I suggest that consent given by somene under the influence of drugs,under legal age,or someone so desperate for a decent meal,is really not "consent" at all.But,having done the deed,it certainly isn't rape either. My problem with writing laws on this subject,is the fact that these workers are not a monolithic group.I'd be interested in knowing how one set of laws can be written that covers the drug addicted street walker and the high class,well educated,$1000 dollar a night call girl.And my concern with wide open,legal prostitution is that many people may stumble into it as an accepted career option.Call me self rightous if you feel inclined,but that is not something I would want for anyone I care deeply about. Any move to legalize it must also include very stringent regulations,and be extremely well thought through.


Chris
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Pretty simple here: just make a decision. If we want prostitution to be illegal, criminalize it and be done with it. If we want it to be legal, put down some laws to govern the industry and start licensing and taxing it.From the article, it sounds like these ladies are looking for a decision from the courts and that's fine. Whether they get the one they want is another matter. I'm inclined to agree that the current laws have some pretty noticeable holes in them though. At the very least, it sounds as though the courts have a very good opportunity to clarify and revise the existing laws into something more comprehensive, workable and sensible whether the end result be for or against decriminalizing prostitution.


kate
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I think it should be made legal, regulated and taxed like every other profession. Let's be honest, women are afraid their husbands will use the services and in truth they already probably do except now they have affairs at work or go to Vegas with the boys and use escort services that the hotels down there provide. It has nothing to do with morals and everything to do with insecurity. Your husband is more likely to have an affair with his coworker than use a prostitute so get over it - if your relationship is secure and your sex life satisfactory to both of you then he won't be looking elsewhere.


Amber
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In the words of Samantha Jones:

"Sex is power. Money is power. Sex for money is simply an exchange of power."

If one consenting adult wants to pay another consenting adult for sex, how does it affect any third party? Seriously, how does it affect anyone else's ability to live their life? If it does, you need a hobby. For all the people crying that it's degrading to women, I offer you two statements.

1) There are several men who work in the sex trade as well.

2) Should women not have the choice to work in the trade if they want to? Why should the government or anyone else tell a woman that they can't because of their gender?


Tim Bitt
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I have waited a long time for this subject to be broached in a manor in which it could be tastefully discussed. As a male prostitute (or shall we say "Sex Worker) I find it somewhat degrading and demeaning when I stand at the corner of my intersection and have my "Janes" pull up in their cars and use the same old phrases (Hey Babe I'm lookin' for a good time. Waddya say?) Would it hurt them to offer to wine and dine me beforehand? Do they have to be so crass?Do they behave this way with their husbands?(What would their husbands say if they found out about their wives dirty secrets?)Seriously folks: this is a problem that has existed since Man(kind) discovered sex abnd will exist until Man(kind) is extinct.Maybe we should learn to accept it and live with it!0j


Rose
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The difference between prostitution and being a girl friend of wife is:The prostitute gets payed for sex without having to all the wife or girlfriend things like laundry, cooking, cleaning etc.How many women have gone out and had a guy buy them a drink and in turn the guy think he should get his jollies at the end of the night. At lest hookers get paid more then a stupid beer or whatever. It has been legalized in other countries and the workers are monitored. Getting it off the streets would make it safer for the workers. As it is now the workers have virtually no protection. Legalizing it and monitoring the workers would make it safer and would cut down n workers being abused or murdered. When you cut out pimps, you cut down on abuse. Workers need a safety net as any other groups of workers. Prostitution will never vanish. We can however make the environment for them safer. This would also go a long ways to keeping the public safer as well.


J
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I am not quite sure what to make of this other than it is crazy that prostitution is legal and that everything associated with it is illegal. Is that not contradictory? It should be one or the other and I hope that this case will help do just that.It was interesting for me to read some of the comments for and against the decriminalization of prostitution. I don't buy the moral argument. I don't think that the state should have a role in dictating people's morality. In a free society, people should have the choice with regards to their morality. Yet, I also don't buy that we can regulate prostitution to make it safer. Cigarettes and alcohol are legal and highly regulated, but are they safer? No. Similarly, prostitution, legal or not legal, regulated or not regulated, will still be dangerous.


Bernice
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How's this for an idea? Since communicating is illegal, the ladies (and boys) could have a box. They would allow, after inspection, the customer to put money into the box, and the amount would correspond to a certain service. Then they could retire to a hotel room, which is available for rent to anyone, so it's not a bawdy house.

Seriously this is another crime that generates a lot of money for the underworld as it is. Why give them the opportunity to make this money which helps finance their other illegal activities? Just have a nice, safe place where everything is clean and let the girls keep a fair share of the take.


Kare
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Lord have mercy! What a warped world we live in, morality has left and the devil's the only one laughing! Stop the exploitation and give the laws some clout!


Chris in the 'Toon
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Well, judging from the above comments I believe people believe that prostitution will always exists so instead of arresting people we should legalize it and tax it. I wonder if we can carry that theory a little further though. Anybody now how much we will have to pay for homicide tax? I mean people have been doing that longer and it ain't going away either.Crime is crime, drugs and prostitution breed it, society should not be shamed into accepting it.


Ozzy
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If anybody has the ability to make persuasive arguments it is Alan Young, the lawyer for the sex workers. He is my professor at Osgoode Hall Law School, and he's just trying to help these young women who are forced to go out on the street when it is completely legal to pay money for sex in Canada. The act of 'soliciting' is a frivolous law aimed at curbing public nuisance. Every understands that the congregation of prostitutes in a certain area is undesirable, and hence he is asking for them to have a chance to have safe working conditions. It is a citizen's right under our constitution to maintain 'life and liberty' and denying someone their only chance of surviving economically by making their work illegal is an infringement of the right. This is not a moral issue as sex for money is already legal in Canada.


Alittlecuir in Toronto
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Trading your body for food and shelter might not necessarily be prostitution. It might also be a marriage. Fortunately, as long as prostitution is legal, people can choose whether they wish to be permanently yoked, or to just ride the ass for a piece.
Prostitution neither harms nor degrades women; men do. So should we draft up some laws against being a man?
The simple truth is that if the bulk of prostitutes were men selling their favours to women, no one would be asking for criminalization (save perhaps for a few unattractive and jealous men). We just want to keep the trade disreputable so that we can continue on occasion to get the milk for free.


Esther
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I say make prostitution legal, make health checks mandatory, and tax them all.

And stop saying 'sex trade workers'. Call a spade a spade and quit with the politically correct jargon for once.


Les
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The fact that we're having this discussion just shows you how screwed up this country has become. This should be thrown out of court. If you don't want get an STD, get raped or worse, choose a respectable profession, instead of trying to legitimize it. And they're not "sex-trade workers"...they're prostitutes. If you want to live in that kind of country....go to Holland or Japan, but please don't bring it here.The worst part is...they'll probably win.


Shayne
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The economy is in shambles. Legalize and tax prostitution. It does not make sense not to. It will go on for ever and ever whether you make it illegal or not so you might as well make some money from it. Putting people in jail for this is appalling. If you don't see it now you are obvioulsy very unevolved. Also why do christian groups have any say in anything. Seperation of cult from state should be enforced at all times so we don't end up with stupid laws that don't make sense.


Dave
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Just legalize it already!


jdude
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Many of the arguments here professing the notion that our current laws force prostitution to harbor "criminal activity" is utterly baseless and ridiculous. If we look at current examples where prostitution is legalized, that issue has NOT been solved, hence the recent crackdown of pimps and hard drug use in the Netherlands. Similarily, New Zealand has ran into troubles of its own with prostitution and crime... The problems with prostitution won't all of a sudden disappear over night by legalizing it, thats foolishness.


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