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Date: Tue. Sep. 29 2009 9:53 PM ET

It will take some time for Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff to recover from the abrupt resignation of his right-hand man in Quebec, according to political observers, who say discord in the party will hamper its chances with Canadian voters in the next election.

Denis Coderre stepped down as Ignatieff's Quebec lieutenant Monday after a rift with the Liberal leader over who should run in the key Montreal riding of Outremont: Coderre's choice of businesswoman Nathalie Le Prohon, or former justice minister Martin Cauchon, who held the riding for 11 years before retiring from politics in 2004.

Ignatieff chose Cauchon, which led Coderre to say he no longer had the "moral authority" to be Ignatieff's lieutenant in Quebec, and criticized the leader's inner circle of Toronto-based advisers for trying to run Quebec politics from Ontario.

Conservative strategist Geoff Norquay told CTV's Power Play Monday night that Coderre's very public, and very bitter, departure does not bode well for the Liberal leader's fortunes.

"He went away taking some pretty serious shots at his leader, Mr. Ignatieff, and raised some fundamental questions about not only his leader's leadership capabilities but the people around him," Norquay said. "And I guess the bottom line here is there's an old adage in politics, especially when you're the leader of the opposition: if you can't run your own party, then how can you expect the Canadian people to turn over the keys to Parliament and the government of Canada?"

About a month ago, Ignatieff declared that he would no longer support Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government. He led his party in a vote against the ways and means portion of the Tories' budget last week and has introduced a confidence motion to be voted on Thursday.

It appears a fall election has been averted on the NDP's decision to prop up the government over EI reform.

But the fracas "exposes deep rifts within the party in Quebec," said CTV Parliamentary Correspondent Roger Smith, and is "a serious blow to (Ignatieff's) credibility in the province."

"(Coderre) was in charge of rebuilding the Liberal house in Quebec and what he did yesterday, basically he started to burn the house down," Smith said Tuesday on CTV News Channel.

"This is the province where the Liberals hoped to make big gains in the next election. Now they've lost the guy who recruited all the candidates."

On Monday, Coderre said he was leaving the Quebec wing in great shape, having secured 68 strong Liberal candidates out of 75 Quebec ridings.

Ignatieff announced late in the day that he would take over the Quebec file for the foreseeable future.

Liberal strategist Mike Robinson said Ignatieff still has a strong team in Quebec that he can rally to right the ship and move forward.

"The reality is that, partly because the party is doing so well in Quebec under Mr. Ignatieff's leadership, there are a lot of people that want to get nominations, there are people who want to get involved in the party," Robinson told Power Play. "So he's still got a very strong base to build on in Quebec and I'm very confident that he still has a very strong team there to take the party forward into the next election."

But Ignatieff has a lot of bridge-building to do first, Smith said, and he'll have the chance at two key meetings this week.

He has a fundraising dinner in Laval on Tuesday night, which will be packed with Coderre loyalists. And this weekend, the party's Quebec wing is meeting in Quebec City, another gathering where he could face some hostility.

"A lot of them obviously have their first loyalty to Denis Coderre because he is the guy that recruited them. He is the guy that put the team together on the ground," Smith said. "Obviously when Michael Ignatieff took over the leadership he had a great initial appeal in the province and hopes were that the party would be able to build on that. But he's got problems ahead."

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Yves Gauthier
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Bridge Building for M.Ignatieff ... hummmm. How about an ocean to cross!

The Liberal party has added another hurdle to their own party credibility challenge in Quebec. Good luck Mr. Ignatieff!


Wow
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And they want to force an election.


Peter 1951
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The Liberals need to do some bridge building not only in Quebec but right across this country. They have lost their focus. They are more concerned about who is who in the Liberal party and have totally forgotten about the Canadian public. Maybe Ignatieff should take a lesson fron Prime Minister Harper, and make a few trips to Tim Horton's where the people are and not out in the woods or in the centre of a field where just him and the camera crew are.


S Brown
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I believe they called it: "A Bridge Too Far"!


SpinMeNot
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Can this guy do anything right? He keeps tripping over his own ego. Mr. Hollywood comes to Canada.


Dodge
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As I have said all a long the Iggy is not the man for the Liberals. This just proves it. You don't shoot yourself in the foot and expect to run a marathon. I think that the Liberals had better keep down the talk of an election until well into next year. I lived in Quebec for 2 years and they are very sensative about their own and how they are treated. I would say that any chance they had at getting extra seats there is over. The Bloc will get all the seats that the Liberals hoped to get. By the way the people of Queben don't vote in the Bloc for seperation they vote them in as they think they will do a better job than either of the parties, Quebec pride. Whether right or wrong that is their thinking


NS
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I think the issue in front of the lib's now is that the NDP (Jack) know an election now would spell the end of them and JACK .lets face it I think we would all agree that if an election was called this week there is a good chance the PC's would get a majority .you think Jack is going to risk that , this has nothing to do with the liberals , Jack lost his back bone . Iggy , needs to hold off until the EI changes go through and then Jack does not have a reason to support the goverment any more


Keith in Gibsons
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Iggy has alienated everybody - must be because he IS an alien. It would be a favour to Quebec and the rest of Canada if Parliament could pass a non-confidence motion against the opposition and bring back Dion - or Martin - or Chretien - or Turner - hell, bring back Shiela Copps.


Steve Eros
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How can Iggy manage the country when he can't even manage his own party?T hings are really looking bad for the Liberals. Perhaps Harper should consider letting Iggy bring the government down and see what happens.


retdhairy
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On one hand Mr Ignatieff is spouting off about bringing down the government, on the other he is praying to all things great and mighty that the Bloc and NDP continue to support the government. It seems we have another two faced leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.


Hagios
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The very best thing Iggnatieff can do to bolster his image is to be quiet....as in just stop talking about every trivial issue that goes by his thought screen. The more Ignatieff gets in front of the cameras the more he looks like the Thanksgiving turkey ready for stuffing!I wish these guys would really change their ways. I HATE this daily bickering it is just nauseating.


Robert From Montreal
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The problem is not that Mr. Ignatieff put in tail between is legs and agreed to let Martin Cauchon in Outremont, the real issue is that he did it after backing Mr. Coderre twice ....No doubt that the pressure from the "Chretien wing" of the liberal party is still strong and that Mr. Ignatieff does not seem to either have the backbone or the willingness to stand up to them.As stated in other comments ... the problem for Mr. Ignatieff is that Denis Coderre travelled 50,000 KM throughout Quebec this summer and that the people picked to represent the party have more of a relationship with Coderre than with Mr. Ignatieff.Sad to say but this will indeed play to the Bloc who will indeed pick up the pieces in Quebec (what a waiste).Anyone thinking that Mr. Ignatieff (with the backing of Chretien's team) can patch this up is wrong....so wrong.


Peter Kavanagh
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I'd like to see the NDP support the Liberal non-confidence vote so that the Liberals have to vote against their own motion .Remember that if the NDP hadn't supported the government almost 2 weeks ago we would be in day 10 of the election .If Iggy can't run his party or stand up to Bob Rae then he can'r run the country . Thank god the coaltion didn't happen . Iggy will never , ever be Prime Minister .


More Bridges Please
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Iggy just last week said we need to build trade bridges to China and India. This week he needs one from Ontario to Quebec. Well after all, if he can connect Ontario (Toronto) with Quebec, that's pretty much the Liberal vision of Canada isn't it? The best thing Canadians can do for this country is make the Liberals totally re-create themselves by voting a majority Conservative government in once and for all. (well maybe not for all...)


Richard in Ontario
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I think the harder task for Iggy than building a bridge would be the job of trying to close the chasm that exists in the Liberal party. Chretien/Martin/Rae etc.The party slogan now is "We can do better" My question: At what?


Ken McNair
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Does Mr. Ignatieff know how to do anything except introduce non confidence motions in the House of Commons? We should be very thankful he is not the Prime Minister as it is obvious he only has his own interests at heart.


Hubert
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When Mr. Ignatieff became leader of the party there was hope of rejuvenation. Quebec was prepared to give him a second look, he travelled to the West and appeared to have somewhat of an audience , Ontario looked good for him and Atlantic Canada could be counted on for the status quo. Money began to flow in and the Liberal Party began to look like a party in waiting. Then summer came and Mr. Ignatieff disappeared and persons like myself who like to vote Liberal are wondering what went wrong. Its frustrating to be a student of politics these days - no charisma , too much spin, too many talking points. Oh for a return to the heady days of a Trudeau, David Lewis and Deifenbaker and the like. I am so tired of our country being run by the PMO, the OLO and all the other Os . Is there anyone out there who can actually think for him/her self or are we destined for live with those hopeless dull leaders and their minority goverenments for the forseeable future. Man - among Harper, Ignatieff and Layton - I'don't know!


Kevin in Vancouver
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Hmmmm all the comments today are stating the obvious problems facing the leader of the opposition, some even highlighting the fact that Jack and the NDP are saving the liberals from themselves even though in an election the NDP could possibly take advantage of the mess the Liberals are in. Seems to me that both leaders have talked themselves into positions that seem ridiculous to their supporters. The NDP propping up the Conservatives un solicited..remember a few months back when Jack met the PM and emerged stating forcfully that he saw no way to work with Harper and that the PM would be at fault for an election. quite an about face. Then there's Iggy voting against the government even though everyone knows they would absolutly perish in an election. Finally as mentioned all the comments are negative for the Liberals yet the thumbs down indicators are the opposite. Guess all the Liberal supporters out there don't like what they hear but have nothing to say.


Jon in London ON
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Bridge building eh? Sounds like an infrastructure project to me.


Keith In Ottawa
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The only bridge this guy is interested in building is the one south of the border to let all his friends in to teach us the wonders of their failed education system, their failed legal system (who can forget bounty , where they had to let all the child molesters go because it would be too expensive to prosecute them) and their failed medical system (20% of the population , no health care, at all. )

simon
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Before that bridge is built, And before the end of this Fall,Harper will bring forward a motion that Neither the NDP Nor the Bloc will accept.Forget that nobody wants an election in these bad economic times.Harper will force one!!!Mark my words.The Temptation will be too high.We know he wants a Majority.He will not be able to resist it.!!!Credibility or No Credibility!!!!!


Don in NB
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I agree with Peter K's post. Jack should pull the plug and vote for the non confidence motion.And watch the Liberals vote against their own motion


Fred - Brandon MB
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Ignatieff is just not good at bridge building. He is too unpredictable, disloyal, and surly. He is used to muscling his way to power, and shirking protocol.Just look at how he became party leader.Once you dis the Quebec wing of the party, you are done!So long Iggy, and take your stooges with you.


Jim in Ontario
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I get the feeling that Ignatieff doesn't understand Canada very well and wonder if this isn't a direct result of him being away for so many decades. The guy is undoubtedly bright, but his current obsession with an unpopular election also suggests he doesn't understand the people he returned from abroad to lead. Reading about Canada occasionally is no substitute for living the Quebec/Canadian experience.


Shirley - in SK
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Does anyone find it ironic that Mr. Coderre would announce his resignation the very day Harper is presenting a Canadian economic update. Talk about informing your leader (Iggy) to shut up about the thought of an election. The Liberals are in big trouble, Ignatieff wants to be the man they need but he isn't, Gerard Kennedy would have been the man to bring them back to life.


Wayne
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Who would have thought that the Liberal Party of Canada has now been officially renamed the LPT (Liberal Party of Toronto) by none other than the former- Lieutenant for Quebec!

Keith in Gibsons
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re: "The party slogan now is "We can do better" My question: At what?"My question is "Why don't you start right now?"


Dave from the Borderlands
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Funny thing is, all these people who are criticising Ignatieff for overruling Coderre, were criticising him a few short days ago for not overruling Coderre. Ignatieff did the right thing. He left it up to the Liberal membership in Outremont to decide who their candidate should be. He should be commended for making the right decision, instead of being flogged mercilessly by media and self -proclaimed pundits.Now people should be asking themselves, what do you really want, a party where people are able to express themselves freely, even where it may embarrass senior party officials, or a party like the Conservatives, where Mps and members won't sneeze with out first clearing it with the PM's office. I'll take a little messiness and public dissension over the virtual mind control exercised by Harper, any day.


Phil in London
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I have to chuckle when I read yesterday and today some commentaries suggesting this is a non-story. The Liberal Party of Toronto had only one real hope to expand this base in a coming election that being in Quebec and even than only along the Outouais and near Montreal.

Fiend, AB
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This would be the perfect time for the NDP to vote against the government. With the Liberal party beginning once again to unravel, the opportunity exists for the socialists to take the votes of the Liberal left wingers and for the Conservatives to grab a chunk of the right wing. Given the right circumstances, we could see a Tory majority with a NDP opposition and Mr. Ignatieff back in the US teaching to those who can what he cannot: lead.


JB in Calgary
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Oh Please Please Please Mr. Layton go against the Conservatives, remember they don't have any good ideas, they don't like Canadians, according to you, so Please, lets go to an election. Bring on a Conservative majority.


Phil In London
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Here's a thought, could the Tories simply announce they are abstaining from the confidence motion? Yes, they should want to support theirselves but what if they took the position that the opposition motion is without merit and even voting on the motion lends credence to their ridiculous claims?

dusty - ottawa
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This is some leader the Liberals have. Here is IGGY trying to bring down the Harper government so that he can have us spend over $300 Million dollars for an election and for what??? He cant even run his own party and he expects us to believe that he is capable of running the country, thats the joke of the day. I believe that Denis Coderre was right to resign when the leader of the party undermines your authority and degrades you in the process. Good work Mr. Coderre.


CMQ IN NB
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The last thing you do as a leader is make a private issue about candidates public until you iron everything out behind closed doors. To come out going in one direction then the next day folding and going the opposite is not strong leadership especially when you knife a key leader within your party. So who is the real leader, Iggy or Bob Rae? Sounds like Bob got his way big time here but at a cost. Maybe the Libs should have had their leadership race afterall.....All I see is constant power struggles still going on behind closed doors and open gutting in front of the public... so Iggy, what has really changed in your party that is going to give us an alternate choice? You can do better, better what, at infighting and double speak than your pals before you!!!! Get serious or get over yourselves.....


Concerned in Mississauga
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This was bound to happen when the LPC parachutes someone like Iggy, first into the Lakeshore riding and then to king of the party. Not only has he spent most of his adult life outside Canada, but obviously also not paid a great deal of attention to canadian politics. If he had, he would have known that politics in Quebec is like nowhere else and not listened to Rae. One thing is that you were buddies ages ago, but he should keep in mind that he now has what Rae prizes most - leader of the LPC.


allan
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I think it stands to reason if somebody is not in wthe country for 35 years, he/she will not only be out of touch with Quebec, but out of touch with Canada in general. Until the libs can find a real leader, they will not govern again.


Steve the Pundit
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You had to know that, eventually, the whole process around Ignatieff's top-down approach (including the method by which he was appointed, not elected, Liberal leader) would come back to haunt him. What the Liberals fail to comprehend is that, rather than trying to regain power at all costs, they should be taking time while in opposition to rebuild the party from the rank and file up. When Turner lost to Mulroney, they wisely took the ensuing years to actually rebuild. When the right imploded after Chretien became PM, it took years and a lot of soul searching until the Conservatives rebuilt. It would appear that what the Liberals really need at this point is a thorough trouncing at the polls, culminating in a Conservative majority. Then, and only then, can they begin the process of rebuilding their party from the grass roots. Come on, Iggy! Are you man enough to do what REALLY needs to be done, or is it all about the power and the glory? 'Cause if it's the latter, your days are numbered...


john from saskatoon
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The shine is coming off Iggy pretty quick. I'm sure much of what Liberals initially liked was he had no ties to the scandals of the recent Liberal Govt. Looks like it's back to the drawing board. This guys all bluster and no substance. Not a clue how to lead. Changes his mind daily. Can't decide where to stand on anything. Just wants power so he can brag to his buddies who serve Obama his coffee. Quebecers will eat him alive for this latest one. God love him


Jon in London ON
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"We can do better" An election slogan or self admonishment?


Robert Wray
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Being a liberal in this country these days seems kinda like being a leaf's fan, falling apart just before the playoffs.


Roadrobbere
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The Liberals don't need the rest of Canada anyway. They have Toronto.


Live Free or Die
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Maybe Mr. Layton will see a shining light before Thursday and vote with the Toronto Liberal party and throw the Tories out. We can only hope.


Vince Em
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If the Conservatives were smart they would put a Bill forward that would be unpallatable to the Libs and NDP and force a confidence vote on it.If the Libs balked and didn't show up they are back to Square One (seen as weak opposition). If they and the NDP brought down the government the Libs are hitting the campagn trail highly weakened in Quebec and no chance in the West. Move Mr. Harper! Now, quickly.

Darren
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I do not understand how a canadian party can be so hard up for a leader they have to bring in someone who has spent so much time living in the US. If this is the best they have I cant imangine any true Canadian casting a ballot in that direction. Really ,give us someone who can represent this country and look you in the eye!


Wow
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Picture the panic and squirming in Toronto if Jack says :We can do better and we have no confidence in either of you


Lorraine
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Iggy = flipflop, flipflop

And this guy thinks he can be Prime minister ?

Why don't we have an election in the Spring and give Harper's Conservative a majority ?


Agnositc1
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About time.Loudmouth loose cannon.


Catwoman 37
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Well, if Iggy can solve this issue out with Cauchon in the Outremont Riding, and if the NDP can put something on the table for the 800,000 people who lost their jobs fast, then maybe the NDP could vote it down. So far it does not look like it will happen. Maybe once the EI legislation is done and over with, then maybe the parties can all vote the govt down.Meantime, might as well just keep the govt we got for the time being. Otherwise, were going to spend 300 million on an election that could give us the same results.So why bother have an election. Unless, Harper govt does more damage, or gets blasted out by world leaders for not taking enough action on climate change, and other issues.


Jay, Ottawa
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Clearly for Iggy the best move here would be to adopt a more Stephen Harper-like policy and forbid anyone in his party to speak publicly.It's worked to keep Cheryl Gallant quiet.


Jay, Ottawa
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allan said, "I think it stands to reason if somebody is not in wthe country for 35 years, he/she will not only be out of touch with Quebec, but out of touch with Canada in general."In fairness Harper has been here the whole time and it never occurred to him that the people of Quebec like culture? Remember when he spouted off about that and cost himself a majority government?


Jay, Ottawa
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Darren said "I do not understand how a canadian party can be so hard up for a leader they have to bring in someone who has spent so much time living in the US."Look what happens when we shop at home: Harper and Layton. Maybe we should be looking elsewhere.


Jim
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I can see that many have lost sight of what I think is the real issue here.Mr. Corderre Has said that the Quebec wing of the Liberal party is being run by the Ontario advisers of the leader. This sounds like something straight out of the Bloq or Parti Quebecios handbook. Is Mr. Corderre setting himself up for a run at Mr. Guceppe's lofty position.While I applaude a man who stands on his principles, I think that these comments are not indicative of a principled man, but rather, of a man who feels his position is not within a National Party, but a regional kingdom.Rather than have the leader check his ego, maybe some of us should ask the former Quebec "aid" to the leader, to check his own.


Greg
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I cant' stand this guy, or the Liberal party. I really hope the Liberal party never gets into power again. That would be the worst thing that could happen to this country.


Phil in London
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If Harper really wants to get the election underway all he has to do is reintroduce as a bill the issue that last December started it all.Call for an end to the $2.00 a vote sell out and see how long the support of Dipper Jack lasts. They could than turn around and campaign on that very issue and win in a landslide.


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