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Heads of government from around the world are convening in New York City to talk shop at the UN. Meanwhile, Stephen Harper is in Oakville talking about donuts.

Do you think it's easy to make priorities?

Richard, Halifax

Harper says tax policy helped repatriate the Timbit

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Harper says tax policy helped repatriate the Timbit

The Canadian Press

Date: Wed. Sep. 23 2009 9:43 PM ET

OAKVILLE, Ont. — The repatriation of the Timbit was held up by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Tim Hortons executives Wednesday as a shining example of low corporate tax rates luring business to Canada.

But at least one critic found the news hard to swallow when consumers will soon be paying more for coffee in two provinces that are merging sales taxes with Ottawa.

The homegrown coffee giant has not technically been a Canadian company for years, but Tim Hortons Inc. (TSX:THI) is reorganizing as a Canadian public company after 99 per cent of shareholders voted Tuesday in favour of bringing the iconic coffee company back home from the U.S.

The chain so ubiquitous north of the border had been registered in Delaware for nearly 15 years as a result of its purchase by U.S. burger chain Wendy's in the 1990s.

At an event at the company's Oakville, Ont., headquarters, west of Toronto, Harper credited lower corporate taxes for luring Tim Hortons back to the Canadian fold.

"This decision, ladies and gentlemen, is all about the bottom line, and the bottom line is that Canada is now not just a great place to live, it's a great place to invest and to do business," said Harper, who admitted earlier he doesn't really drink coffee.

"I drink about six cups a year," he said, sipping a hot chocolate.

Harper said his government had already lowered the general corporate income tax rate to 19 per cent from 22 per cent, and that it will fall to 15 per cent by 2012.

But New Democrat MP Olivia Chow questioned the logic of lowering corporate taxes for companies such as Tim Hortons, while increasing taxes in some parts of the country on the coffee itself.

The party is critical of the move to harmonize sales taxes in B.C. and Ontario, which would see some everyday items that were previously exempt start being taxed.

"Helping corporations is one thing, it's fine, but spending $6 billion of our tax dollars to get the provinces like Ontario and B.C. to do a big tax grab every time we buy a donut, drink a coffee, buy a newspaper, get a haircut, take the pet to the vet -- that's mean," Chow said.

Tim Hortons chief financial officer Cynthia Devine said it's hoped the reorganization will improve efficiency, growth and competitiveness.

"Finally, this reorganization will help Tim Hortons align itself to continue to take advantage of lower Canadian tax rates," she said.

"These lower tax rates help us and companies like us keep more capital at work and achieve our priority in reinvesting in the business for future growth in our company."

Tim Hortons, founded in the mid-'60s by Cochrane, Ont.-born hockey legend Tim Horton, became part of Wendy's in 1995, forging a partnership led by Wendy's founder Dave Thomas that saw the restaurants sit side-by-side at many locations.

After Thomas died in 2002, the two companies started to drift apart, with the doughnut chain choosing to focus on sandwiches and other breakfast and lunch options. The concept clashed with offerings from the Wendy's brand.

In 2006, the company was spun off into its own American entity, though its corporate headquarters remained in Oakville and most of its stores are in Canada.

Since then, the chain has struggled to boost sales in the United States despite thriving in Canada.

It has been a publicly traded company, listed on the Toronto and New York stock exchanges, since Wendy's first began to spin off its shares.

Shareholders will hold the same amount of stock as before, and the company will continue to operate under the Tim Hortons name with stock listings on the TSX and the New York Stock Exchange.

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Sahib Reginawale
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When I first came to Canada Cherry Stick was my favourite donut. Used to eat it everyday.


Bruce
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So the CP is questioning the fact the lower taxes attract business?

If clues were shoes those living in left field would be barefoot.


Double Double
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Now if he gets them to start inhouse baking again, we would have something.


manny
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Is the best harper can think of?

Take your iedas back to the 90's where they belong!






Cull Ayde
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Companies will always go where they have to pay less taxes. That way tax cuts to corporations are good. It keeps them in the country and helps the economy. If we tax them more they will leave and take their jobs.


Sandy
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As far as I am concerned, they should be ashamed not to be in Canada.


Edb
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Being from Hamilton, the birth place of this evil empire, I say PLEEAAASSSE go back south, or anywhere else that will have you and take all the outlets with you.
The coffee is burnt dark water at best. Your armies of drones seem to think any street with-in a 5 block radius is their personal garbage can and blocking live lanes of traffic while lining up for the drive thru is perfectly fine. PARK and WALK the 5 paces to the counter if you're so desperate to drink that dish water.
ps. I know I just kicked a sacred cow, so let the hate mail begin!!



Rocky
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Good work, Prime Minister. And thanks for more snottiness, Canadian Press.


Anne from Manitoba
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I am proud that Canada is now an attractive country for successful companies to move to. Thankyou Stephen Harper and Jim Flaherty!


NS
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@EDB .... your funny , you cannot blame the people who like the coffee for the line up on the road ... I have seen the same thing at many fast food places at luch time , for the most part it's morning when you get a line up at Tim's.

The fact that so many people will wait in line for the coffee say's it's not all that bad ....




Graeme
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Low taxes attract business: fair enough. But any of us could get into government and just lower taxes, the hard part is doing it without running deficits while maintaining key services. And we have a massive deficit right now. Not that I blame Harper for the majority of the deficit, but it's not exactly the best time to be bragging about cutting taxes.


Mike from Canmore
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So does that mean that they will still be able to take advantage of new immigrants and seniors with no pensions/retirement funds left from their income trust funds and hire more of them at minumum wage? Perhaps Harper should look into creating methods that would provide an easy mechanism to recognize the credentials of all these skilled workers forced to work outside/below their fields.


Don
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Yeah, I never understood the appeal, either. Whoop de do


Kris D.
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All the world leaders are gathering at the UN to talk about the environment, energey, wars, mid-east peace and Harper is toutng Timbits in Oakville?

Wow.

Did anyone even notice that we walked out on Iran?


Jack R
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What an ego!
He's starting to remind me more and more of the cult of personality nutcase Kim Il. What's he going to claim next. He makes the weather? That he's responsible for sunshine, kittens and happiness. How the hell can people actually think he's good for Canada?

Richard, Halifax
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Heads of government from around the world are convening in New York City to talk shop at the UN. Meanwhile, Stephen Harper is in Oakville talking about donuts.

Do you think it's easy to make priorities?


True Patriot Love
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I was saddened when Tim Horton's became American under Chretien's rule, but now I am happy that they have returned to Canada because of smarter fiscal policy.
Tim's is reflective of what is good about Canada, a nation we can (thankfully) once again be proud of!


Danny Dinosaur
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Excellent work Mr. Harper. repatriating the Timbit is a great accomplishment for your government.
It is a shame that it is perhaps one of your bigger accomplishments.

Also what a great example you are to the rest of the world who is caught up in silly things like announcing alternative energy initiatives and forward thinking economic plans and other trivial and unimportant things.

This makes me so happy that I want to eat some doughnuts and just forget about all the crazy stuff.


ADM Saskatchewan
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This is good. Tim's with so many locations employs a lot of people. With tax breaks they will continue to open more locations and hire more people. Good for Canada!


Elizabeth, Ontario
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Welcome back Tim Hortons! Thank you to our present government for making that return attractive. Tim Hortons is a Canadian company.


my take on this
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Steve, gives us a break. What a not smart.


MAL of TO
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Tim's never stood a chance in the US, they sell coffee. Now if they put the exact same coffee in a goofy cup, added some foam and called it a weird french name, well Timmies could have owned the world!!! Oh yeah, and charge $5.00 for a $1.00 coffee.


Sharon
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What a stretch, Mr. Harper. Repatriation indeed. Let's get real. Timmy's never left Canada -it was simply bought out by an American chain. It's H.O. didn't leave and the vast majority of its business didn't either. We Canucks love our Timmy's!!!

Would that the debacle over the sale of our Nortel patents would work out as well................


Mike
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More like Timmy's went South, spun off the shares to make money for the mothership Wendy's and pocketed the coin from the stock spinoff and is now only coming back to Canada.


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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Harper! If all you can do is brag about catching pastries. Perhaps you may suffer a " death by doughnuts "

Meanwhile the rest of the world leaders are working together trying to save our butts.


Darly
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This is truly absurd - almost as absurd as the poster who claimed that Tim's left Canada because of Chretien's policies.

For the record the company merged with Wendy's which was a business decision with the hope of expanding its' operations in the USA.

Didn't work all that well.


Adam in Mitchell
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Tim Horton's is just as Canadian as is maple syrup, hockey and Bryan Adams. I knew there would be comments coming from the "whoopdee doo" people, even though they somehow found enough interest to read the article. Kudos to Harper for making a Canadian enterprise, cherised and relied upon by the hearts of millions of Canadians every morning, an example of the successes his government and fiscal policies has resulted in. I've always enjoyed the atmosphere inside these restaurants and am glad it is back in the hands of its own country.


Steve from Toronto
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Tim Horton's will the cause of increased heart disease in Canada over the next decade. They are adding chemicals to increase the addictiveness of the coffee. They are killing Canadians, yet like the drones we are, we keep marching in through the door.

Evil Empire indeed.


This is news?
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Nortel is losing thousands of jobs because of foreign buyouts and Mr. Harper is tooting this.




Ken - Calgary
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I don't ever want to hear people saying that CTV is at all Liberal in its bias. What this article is NOT reporting is that Harper turned his back on a UN meeting of world leaders on the issue of climate change in order to go to Tim Horton's and act like he saved the company. Another useless photo op for a useless Prime Minister who is desperate for optics now, because heaven help him if the world actually found out what he was REALLY about.


Richard L. Provencher
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Isn't it nice to have a few comments recognize Mr. Harper is not afraid to do the right thing to attract business back to Canada? Sometimes the CP even acknowledges it.


Taste Test
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I hate to say it, but Scrawny Ronnie's coffee tastes better and cost less. I had to switch!


James in Alberta
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I have been told by many who have been there that we can not under estimate the positive impact Tim Horton's has had on the war effort in Afghanistan. It is the most popular place to get coffee at Kandaher Air Field; not only for Canadians but for our allies as well!

I tell you, this exposure should be used to expand the Tim Horton's brand internationally!!!


Canadian Immigrant
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Tim Hortons is hereby requested to name a product after our PM:
Stevebite
Harpernut
PMSandwich
Any other suggestions - please join in


GJS
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Our lower cost and universally accessible health care was probably an even greater incentive than taxes.

Let us not forget too that the Liberals were first to lower taxes and did even more that Steve.

Please please let us get rid of Steve and his incompetents.




R D
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Doesn't much matter to me, I still refuse to pay $0.85 for 1 donut. And those hard crusty rolls they use for sandwiches? Get a couple dozen now before the price goes up. They make great pucks in the winter for road hockey.


Greg
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Tim's coffee, for the most part, is a hit-and-miss for quality. But Canadians being the sheep that they are, will follow the herd. Personally, I think MacDonalds new coffee is far superior. Coffee and a muffin for a buck thirty-nine...can't be beat!!

The traffic jams created every morning at TH across the country leave me cynical. All these people preaching about the environment as they sit in line up's with idling cars. And to think these twit's can vote!

Doesn't anyone remember how to make coffee anymore???


Chocolate Dipped Babble
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Good Lord, this guy will try to take credit for anything. Next thing he'll try to credit himself with is the Berlin Wall coming down.


Chocolate Dipped Babble
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Good Lord, this guy will try to take credit for anything. Next thing he'll try to credit himself with is the Berlin Wall coming down.


suzanne
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Harpers bring Tims back to Canada thats what we need right now.


gregger
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Yes... using Tim Horton's is a great example to use for the Prime Minister to state that highly skilled immigrants will be attracted to Canada. I realize that Timmie's are hectic in the morning but "highly skilled workers?" I don't think so.


Jon in London ON
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Just got back from Manhattan NYC....bought a large coffee (milk only) from the Timmy's on 42nd St. $2.45 US.
The store had a line up.

Man......we are going to CLEAN UP down there. Starbucks is going down!!!!


Robo
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Glad to see the "TIM HORTON" chain getting their headquarters back to Canada. Getting more companies back here would be nice too. However, bringing in more immigrants to this country now when we cannot get our own people back to work first would be a great mistake!! Let's look after our own people who are out of work get jobs first before bringing in anymore immigrants!! This is a good "PR" relations story for the conservatives, but not what Canada needs right now to get this country up and running again!!


hindusan
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as much as i hate harper, i will admit that he has finally done something good.


Roger T
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Who cares, Timbits only makes you over weight. It's not something Harper should be proud of when Canadians are super sizing their waist line from Timbits.

But it only makes sense when there are a few House members that look like Jelly donuts themselves.




david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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Harper is just sucking up to the police.




Jay, Ottawa
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Doesn't this just mean that the address on the letterhead changes? They're already here. How does this create jobs? What do we get added to our economy?

Not exactly an exciting example of tax policy.


anonymous
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Honestly, I don't think the government had much to do with it. They were bought out by an American chain, and then Wendy's spun them off. The 0.5% tax cut that Harper passed is probably not a huge factor. If anything, they're probably running away from Obama rather than running to Harper.


Niagara George
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Great news. First companies don't like to pay taxes. That's surprising. Of course they don't like to give the customer any more quality than is necessary, either.
The best part isn't even mentioned... some of the store managers make more than $10 an hour. We are definitely well on the road to recovery!


The Real World Lives Elsewhere
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What a nation of losers. Imagine getting all moist-eyed and puffed with silly patriotism over a donut chain that has been poisoning the population for decades.

Obviously this gives us the true measure of the ReformCon soul.


Molly
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They walked out on Iran's speech to the UN to protest human rights abuses in that country and inflammatory comments towards Israel and the Holocaust. Wasn't that what all the Opposition parties and the touchy feelies in the country have been screaming about? Harper never does anything about human rights? Now he does something, you don't like that either. If it was Captain Teflon Chretien or King Ignatieff you'd be cheering and making him a hero. Go relax and have a Tim's coffee and a doughnut. The country is in good hands despite the Opposition.


Brian
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Ever notice where there was a Timmys and Wendys together that Timmys had a line up and Wendys was lucky to have any customers so obviously they didn't like the competition


Paul
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And...not one person can see or remember Harpers tax policy just before this recession and what it caused? JEEZE OH PETE!!!


MRC in Ontario
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Lower corporate taxes = Timmy's back in Canada. Proof that tax scheme works but Timmy's isn't patriotic.

And look at all this commenting about taxes...anything beyond property tax, income tax, & business tax shouldn't exist anyway!!


1 cream, 1 sugar
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If liberals were in power taxes would still be up & more business would be leaving Canada taking jobs with them. When liberals in power for that 13 yr stretch lots of business/jobs left Canada. Take Ontario as an example, they have one of the highest corp. tax rates in the country & yet McGuinty doesn't believe in lowering taxes so business & jobs still leaving. I am very grateful that conservative are working to make Canada better & in next election am voting for a conservative majority. And no, I didn't get paid to say that.


The Other Lowell in BC
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OMG. Tim Hortons should have never been down in the USA in the first place. Somehow I very much doubt they are going to initiate a stampede of companies into Canada to lower their tax expense however I guess everthing counts when it comes to running a business. I know that first hand.


Independently Minded
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YAWN!!!

Slow new day huh?

I guess with our PM deferring all the major decisions to the US President he has a lot of free time on his hands... So much for Canadian sovereignty!

This "alleged" Canadian leader has deferred on stimulus spending, climate change, auto maker bailouts, and even has American made policies in OUR government in the form of Bill "C-61" and my favorite, the Canadian Patriot Act aka Bill "IP21C".

For a party trying to brand the Liberal leader as a Yankee, they should take note that they live in a very thin glass house based on their the bills they've tabled!

Hell, it took a retired PC Prime Minister to take up the cause of universal health care in the US, because our PM wouldn't / couldn't support it... So much for Canadian values.

Peter in MB
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If you don’t like Tim’s then don’t buy it, but for the people that do like Tim’s don’t try to tell them what they should do with their money.

Now that Tim’s is back in Canada their corporate taxes (what ever they may be) will go into Canada’s coffers and not the U.S. coffers.

All you liberal supporters are just upset because your party is not in power and did not get the credit for this.



bob,calgary,alberta
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It never fails to surprise me how some Canadians seem to have an all-consuming hatred of our Prime Minister even to the point of inventing lists of horrible things he has done. (at least in their confused minds). We have become so brainwashed by the Liberal/NDP mantra that taxes are a thing to be cherished because they bring us all the so-called "good" things in life like a bloated overpaid civil service, equalization that is as "unequal"l as it can get,the gun registry,the continuing propping up of the racist province of Quebec, the wasteful use of taxpayer dollars to enrich aboriginal chiefs and their friends,the spending of billions on yearly boondoggles in every part of Canada. We should use some iota of common sense and give credit where it is due. Stephen Harper's continuing efforts to reduce taxes have been a very good thing for Canada.Of course,come the next election, we will return to Liberal hegemony and all achieve nirvana supported by higher taxes and the great intellect of Prince Michael.


Red X
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It's time to boycott Tim's for raising its prices. Too many people are addicted to the coffee!


dean
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I think Tim's would do ok without a tax break, maybe give the tax break to me so I can take my grandkids to Tim's


Lawrence R, Meadows
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No wonder the Canadian public are disilusioned.The questions in the survey only tries to lead the participants, in manufactured result. He just came from New York. Then he is probably going to the G20 in Pittsburg. What stupid questions, but this is typical of main stream media, trying to sway the public opinion.


Marlo
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I like Harper -- I recently heard he had a 99% approval rating in recent polling. This just adds to the long list of good things he has done since becoming Prime Minister and he's done all of this in a minority government.


The View from Niagara
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Ghadafi's 2 hour anti semetic rant is a perfect example why Canada was in the right by not addressing the UN. Harper served Canada well by snubbing such hate mongers.


bc grrl
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true patriot love...timmy's isn't canadian, they just get a tax break for doing business in canada! the fact that it is now going to be a public company does not mean that the shareholder/owners are going to be canadian! the owners will be who ever has the funds in their pockets to buy the shares. if the government purchased it with tax payer $$$ and sent a dividend cheque to each and every taxpayer, then it would be canadian! but we know that this is not the case.

here is my take, i used to adore my extra large with 3ple cream, had it almost every day, then i moved to town with out a timmy's and i am a better person for it! say good bye to those treats that are your daily allowable caloric intake (that would be a large iced cap and 2 treats...yup! look it up!)
true, the coffee is good, very good, they sprinkle the beans with a bit of msg while roasting, gives it that addicting flavour, and yes, those treats are so very good with all that refined sugar and deep fried oil.

i say TAX IT TO DEATH! tax those donuts and 2ble 2bles! the government needs more tax dollars, well get to taxing fast food and junk food sellers like timmy's! those are some of the largest contributing factors to an obese nation who them become a major drain on our much needed health dollars.

just my take on the evils of donuts!


happy
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And conservatives claim Harper isn't an embarrassment! Why is he in Oakville singing the praises of doughnuts when every other world leader is in New York trying to solve the world's major problems? At least he's solved Canada's doughnut problem! Please, please can we have an election?


Chris in Kingston
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How does the Harmonized Tax have anything to do with the federal government? In Ontario, its just a cash grab by the Liberals at the worst possible time. My $200 refund cheque will sure go far when I spend an extra $500 tax on a car, or all those things that the PST normally did not tax.


Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
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Good news about Tim Hortons but the idea of a world leader not showing up at the United General assembly so he can go home and trumpet the return of a donut shop chain is just cheap and stupid.

It doesn't just reflect poorly on Canada, it is a political move of utterly astounding stupidity.

Incumbency has huge political advatages for a sitting prime minister one of which is to be seen with other world leaders and to get reflected glory.

Doesn't Harper want to look statesmanlike?

Stephen Harper had the opportunity to personally walk out of the Ahmadinejhad sppech in front of world TV cameras. It could have been a hugely beneficial world moment for Canada and for him personally.

People who utterly despise him would have been proud of him for that. It would have been a slamdunk or a gimmie. Huge political points, HUGE, just for showing up at a certain time and then leaving at a certain time.

What is with this guy? I just don't get why he has to continually lower himself.

These things that seem like little things to him add up after awhile.


pdm39
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let me get this one straight -

the prime minister skips the UN general assembly and goes to a tim horton's plant

yes made me proud to be a canadian and happy to be paying his salary - another great move by Harper, the world stage versus a timbit - bet that one was an easy decision DUH


reidjr
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What ever harper does its not right he supports citizens of other countrys he is in the wrong.He supports a canadian company he is in the wrong it never ends.I have had it lets have an election get iggy in and all of you backers of him who have hyped him up so much he won't be able to delivery.


Mike from Toronto
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Lowering corporate taxes creates economic growth as more companies move here, its basic economics and finance. Always makes me laugh when people go crazy when they hear the government is lowering corporate taxes and yey they complain about high unemployment. Canada continues to have one of the highest corporate taxes anywhere, we need to go continue lowering them to attract business and great wealth.


SB
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Hey, good reason to miss out on international responsibilities at the UN... not!

Trying to win the hearts and bellies... euh minds, of Canadians...

Racking up the photo ops for the election campaign.

-_-
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That's very smart... lower the corporate tax rate, so the corporations lower the prices, so that the government gets less in taxes, and more in deficit.

Meanwhile, slice workers who are fit to do the job, just to trim costs on salary, yet also trim skills of some necessary government workers.... even less government profit to keep the country out of deficit.


TVic
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Way to go Mr. Harper, while other world leaders are at the UN talking climate change you are in Mississauga flogging Timbits. Maybe when you lose the next election Timmy's will offer you a behind the counter job. That should just about match your skill level.
Why didn't you offer the U.S. media some Timbits when you were down there schmoozing them the other day?


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