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CTV National News: Graham Richardson in Ottawa
Early findings from an unpublished study is suggesting that millions of Canadians could be at a higher risk of H1N1 swine flu than previously believed.
CTV National News: Dr. Marla Shapiro on the risks
CTV's medical specialist outlines the new developments and discusses whether last year's flu shot has put many Canadians at a higher risk of developing swine flu.
CTV British Columbia: Jina You on the impact
Some schools are reporting high levels of absenteeism due to a number of students having flu-like symptoms.
CTV British Columbia: Dr. Danuta Skowronski
Preliminary findings of a study suggest those who got the seasonal flu vaccine could be more susceptible to H1N1.
CTV Toronto: Monica Matys on Ontario's plan
Ontario is expected to announce a three-phase plan on Thursday for fighting the flu this fall.
CTV Ottawa: Maggie Padlewska with details
CTV News has learned the Ontario government will only vaccinate those 65 and older for the seasonal flu. This could leave many unprotected from both strains for two months.
CTV News Channel: Dr. Neil Rau, disease expert
A disease expert describes the silver lining behind mounting evidence that the swine flu virus will likely 'crowd out' all other flu viruses spreading in the community this fall and become the dominant strain causing flu infections.

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Date: Wed. Sep. 23 2009 10:08 PM ET

An unpublished scientific study is raising questions about whether getting a seasonal flu shot raises the risk of contracting H1N1, but the evidence is unconfirmed and few have actually read the report.

"It appears to be that for people who got seasonal influenza vaccine last year, they were at greater risk of getting H1N1 disease this year," Dr. Donald Low, an infectious diseases expert at Toronto's Mount Sinai Hospital, told CTV News.

The study is based on research in British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec. Health organizations around the world are watching the results carefully, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.

"It is difficult to speak about a study that has yet to be published, however, as this is an important issue involving the subject of seasonal influenza and the fast-moving global pandemic of 2009 H1N1 influenza it is important to note the scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have not seen this effect in systems we have reviewed in the United States," spokesperson Joe Quimby told The Canadian Press in an email.

The study is still being peer reviewed in an unnamed journal, and it's not clear when it will be published.

It could change how health officials in Canada and around the world plan their responses to a potential swine flu outbreak.

Need for seasonal flu shot questioned

As it stands, it appears that swine flu will likely "crowd out" all other flu viruses this fall, meaning Canadians are more likely to get the H1N1 virus. As such, some health officials wonder if a seasonal flu shot is still necessary.

Is it realistic, they say, to expect Canadians to head to flu clinics twice for two different vaccines, one for seasonal flu and one for swine flu? Young children might even be recommended to get four flu shots, since children usually need two flu vaccinations given a few weeks apart, to give their immature immune systems full protection. This year, they'd need to double up twice.

However, Ontario health officials tell CTV News that the province will provide a seasonal flu vaccination in the next few weeks for anyone aged 65 or older. An announcement is expected Thursday.

Officials also say they will provide H1N1 shots for high-risk groups -- including pregnant women, children and health workers -- in November. Then, the rest of Ontario's population can be vaccinated.

In Quebec, health officials say they're putting the seasonal flu shot program on standby.

"For the moment, it's on hold," said Karine White, a media relations liaison with the Ministry of Health and Social Services in Quebec told The Canadian Press.

Delaying the seasonal flu shot program would allow health workers to concentrate on getting swine flu vaccine into the arms of those who most at risk of complications from swine flu.

Another option would be a more limited seasonal flu shot campaign, one that would target seniors and those with weakened immune systems, who are traditionally at highest risk of seasonal flu, but allow younger Canadians to skip it.

A third option would be to scrap the seasonal flu program altogether.

"All that is being studied now. But it should be decided rapidly," White told the Montreal Gazette.

She added that the decision will affect all Canadians: "It's not like Quebec won't vaccinate and Ontario will. It will be a pan-Canadian decision."

Provincial plans

Most provinces had planned to go ahead with their seasonal flu vaccination programs this October, as scheduled. Swine flu vaccination programs likely wouldn't begin until mid-November, the earliest that the vaccine manufacturer will have it ready, tested and approved.

But infectious disease expert Dr. Neil Rau wonders whether having two vaccine programs will confuse patients, who might wonder about which shot they need and which shots they've already gotten. He says holding off on seasonal flu vaccines might be the best way to go.

"I think the people in Quebec are making a good decision because if you start going after seasonal and swine flu all at once, you end up giving -- especially kids -- a huge number of needles," Rau told CTV News Channel Wednesday.

"I have a feeling that all of Canada is going to go this way and maybe other countries will do the same."

Meanwhile, there are still worries that the swine flu vaccination program won't be effective, since the vaccine is expected to arrive at clinics and doctors' offices after the flu's long-discussed "second wave" has already peaked. Swine flu activity is already picking up again in the southern United States and parts of Canada, including Vancouver Island.

And, it's still not certain whether seasonal flu viruses will continue to be "crowded out" by swine flu. While World Health Organization laboratories report they are not receiving many reports of seasonal flu infections, it may be too soon to say whether that will remain the case.

The dilemma of whether to advise Canadians to get two flu shots will likely take care of itself by next year. Flu experts who advise the World Health Organization are now urging vaccine manufacturers in the Southern Hemisphere to drop one of the older strains of flu from the seasonal flu vaccine for next year's winter, to include the new swine flu pandemic H1N1 strain.

Manufacturers in the Northern Hemisphere would likely follow suit, depending on the flu activity by then.

With a report by CTV's Graham Richardson

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LML13 - Ottawa
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Did anyone in the medical community think that the two strains of flu might mutate and we end up with an even worse case scenario?


Goldens
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No! I don't like the other flu either!

JW


Concerned
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Considering that they synthesized the vaccine from the 'wrong' flu strain last year (i.e. it turned out that a different strain became the dominant one and all the vacinations were useless) I would suggest scraping it in favour of a strain we know will be dominant (H1N1).

However, I am still uncertain if all the preparation surrounding the potential "pandemic" is being diligent or buying into the media 'hype'.


Bill
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Getting two flu shots at once is not a big deal. It only takes a few minutes to get the shots. Better safe than sorry.


fear mongering !
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1-They sure are eager to get this stuff in our children's bodies...but the H1N1 has a LOWER MORTALITY RATE than the "seasonal flu"!!!!,according to a previous CTV.ca article.

2-Qoute :"It's mildest in kids. That's one of the really good pieces of news in this pandemic,"{ctv.ca}
So why 4 shots for kids ?$?$?$?$?$


eddytoronto
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List Of USA States Which Have Implemented Legal Actions In Response To The H1N1 virus!

Florida – the Florida surgeon general distributed a series of blank quarantine order forms, including a voluntary home quarantine agreement, a quarantine to residence order, a quarantine to residence order (non-compliance), a quarantine to facility order, quarantine detention order, quarantine of facility order, building quarantine closure order and area quarantine closure order.

Iowa – In addition to the facility quarantine order listed above, Iowa has also made available forms for voluntary home confinement, home quarantine and home isolation.

Massachusetts – Massachusetts lists its own procedures for isolation and quarantine.

North Carolina – The North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services released a draft isolation order that would provide for imprisonment for up to two years and pretrial detention without bail for any citizen who fails to comply with an isolation order.

Washington – Washington grants authority to local health officers to issue emergency detention orders causing citizens to be immediately and involuntarily isolated for up to 10 days.



As military-run internal checkpoints rapidly multiply across the United States and the country sinks into a state of de facto martial law!

The fact that soldiers see it as a “rewarding experience” to completely violate the oath that they swore by undertaking duties totally at odds with Posse Comitatus, the law that bars the military from engaging in law enforcement duties.

French military told to get ready for forced vaccinations!

Paris : A French scientists has reported on his website that he has received information from the French overseas departments and territories (DOM-TOM) that the French military have been told to prepare for forced vaccinations and the arrest of demonstrators.

Jean-Pierre Petit advises parents to keep their children at home to avoid mobile “pandemic
Mobile Team"




gunther
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Scrap all vaccinations!!
Wake up people and do your own research. Stop the "elite" from brainwashing society, and at big $$$PROFITS too. Want to know why every generation is getting sicker and sicker with chronic diseases? WAKE UP!!


Karyna
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Gunther is right on, and vaccines are nothing more than poison. Eat healthy, take care of yourself, and don't take vaccinations!!! Obviously the health officials don't have much of a clue what they're doing, and this spectacle will get more and more ridiculous. Take charge of your own health and don't listen to these "experts".


Ed
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This is why public healthcare sucks.
No choice...no options.
You can only hope and beg for treatment.


Chris Johnston Chilliwack, BC
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There is evidence you can find on the internet that indicates that the vaccine will be more damaging than the flu. Do your research.
It could save your life.


Prophecy
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Folks we need to stop this madness. No more anti-bacterial soaps, vaccines, drugs....
That is how a super-bug is born. They get stronger & more resistant to our pharmaceutical products as we get weaker from our use of pharmaceutical products.
Go see a Naturopath, exercise, take your vitamins & minerals, eat organic......& build your immune system, naturally.

Bob Lowe
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That public health official has a weird notion of the meaning of the word 'huge'! Where I come from, four, the maximum number of vaccinations being considered, is far from 'huge'. Give us plain ordinary Canadians credit for being able to count please.


Paul B
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WHAT!!!!

30,000 people a year die of the "regular flu". You must give the seasonal flu shot and then give the Swine flu shot when it is available. I know the U.S. is doing this.


French Canadian Chick
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Me: an asthma sufferer who has had numerous bronchitis in the past 20 years(too many to count) and 3 pneumonias since 2002. Any little cold or flu ends up in major complications for me.
My husband and 2 kids: asthma sufferers.
My whole family: at high risk of complications from H1N1
My concern: the fact that our government is not looking into the public's best interest (or interest at all) by releasing this vaccine so late. We get vaccinated sometimes in November therefore we are not fully immuned until late December (not counting my youngest son who will require 2 shots). Other countries are about to receive theirs. I really hope that by the time we get ours, we are not too late. Swine flu is already picking up again in certain areas. Now is the time to get our shots!


Lisa Smith
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It is a little unclear to me why anyone would wish to get a shot they don't really need either. Here in America they are calling for three different shot to be given out. One would be the regular flu shot, the second will be the swine flu shot, and the third will be a booster for the swine flu shot just to make sure that it holds.


Mike S
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I'm for letting my body try to fight things itself as much as possible and develop natural resistance. I don't want to rely on a shot everytime there's a bug when I know most of our bodies can handle it. I say if you're young and healthy, you don't need it.


Rob O.
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What is more fascinating is how they still focus on the flu vaccine, which studies show really do not have substantial effectiveness.

Over the past years, I've combed over the research for vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) and those without a D3 deficiency, they just don't get colds or flus. In fact, having optimal amounts of D3 which is not even technically a vitamin will prevent a flu because of how it regulates the body's antimicrobial peptides. No pharm company can patent this.. but the clinical studies on this show the effectiveness on this. I'm still amazed at how Health Canada focuses on vaccines and flu-shots.

The trick is to not to treat a flu but to make the body smarter to prevent it and to handle it when it happens. I truly think that if the average person took about 5000 IU a day (which would bring a typical Canadian to optimal levels) you would see a significant decline in people getting both typical seasonal influenza and swine flu.

I don't work for any vitamin company or other. I just intimately know the research on this, and really find it amusing (seriously i do) ..and I really give credence to the argument that vaccines are reactive in nature and not effective.

Don't believe me, go to pubmed on the net (which houses all medical research articles.. period) and do a search. Amazes me that people in Canada have very high rates of influenza and colds in winter. It's not because of being 'crowded or indoors more' .. anyhow my 2cents (proven with research!)

Jocelynne
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People think they can eat fast food & chocolate & pizza and drink pop all the time and then when there's a health scare they run for a poisonous vaccine for the questionable protection that a sensible diet most likely would have given.


Jayme
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Ed
No you don't have to beg for medical treatment yes there is a wait but that what happens when everyone has equal right to treatment.Aslo you do have choices and for some there are plenty.Is the canadian system perfect no but its not as bad as some make it out to be.


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