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Well done B.C.! knowing that there are many homeless that dont have the emotional and/or mental tools to take care of themselves, I applaud the move.
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Proposed B.C. homeless law has critics worried
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Proposed B.C. homeless law has critics worried
CTV.ca News Staff
Date: Mon. Sep. 21 2009 10:16 PM ET
A proposed law that would give the B.C. government the power to force people into homeless shelters has civil liberty activists crying foul.
According to government documents leaked to the BC Civil Liberties Association, the proposed legislation would allow authorities to make a declaration of extreme weather, which would then allow police to force a homeless person into a shelter.
B.C. Housing Minister Rich Coleman has acknowledged the legislation is in the works for the fall, but says it has nothing to do with the 2010 Winter Olympics in February -- a point of dispute with the civil liberty group.
Tom Sandborn, who serves on the board of directors for the BC Civil Liberties Association, says the documents do not directly refer to the Olympics, but "clearly that's the context almost every decision is being taken (under) right now."
"I think this is more about saving face for the government than saving lives on the street," he told CTV.ca Monday.
Sandborn said the documents were recently leaked to his office by someone who is well connected in the provincial government.
"We know they're authentic," Sandborn said.
One of the memos says that after a local declaration of extreme weather is made, notices would be given to a homeless person and a police officer would encourage those on the street to seek shelter.
If the homeless person refuses, the officer would be able to "use force."
"As a last resort, the individual may be taken to police cells, either voluntarily or involuntarily," the memo concludes.
Sandborn, who's not a lawyer, said the proposed law may be vulnerable to being challenged in court under several sections of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
"The vast majority of people who are homeless and on the street don't have any objection to getting warm and dry," he said. But a small minority of homeless adults who are not subject to the Mental Health Act may choose not to go to shelters for a variety of reasons.
"The fact that a person is homeless doesn't mean that they stop being a Canadian citizen or stop being protected by the Charter of Rights."
Sandborn said the proposed law could prompt some homeless people to hide, potentially endangering their safety.
"They would go farther into the park, farther into the alleys, and we would find out about them when their corpses were found later on," he said.
Coleman said the government initially considered the legislation after a Vancouver woman died last winter after refusing to be taken to a shelter. She perished when she started a fire to keep warm.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Michael
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Steph.
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Lin-Z
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Heaven forbid they try to give them shelter and food...I can see how that infringes on their human rights! *insert eye roll here*
Bradley Stephens
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Tim Bit
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Maybe this is a moot point!
Bill in BC
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Do something - activists scream.
Maybe part of the problem IS the activists?
James Williams
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Put your own homeless on the refugee gravy train for a change.
Charity begins at home!
C. Abel
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There was a time nobody was living in the streets, why now??
Jeff Parker
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Great Plan!
Ryan from Calgary
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Saving lives by saving face. Kinda has a nice ring to it.
Rose
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I sure didn't see anyone being taken into air conditioned buildings when we had extreme heat! Someone died out in those elements too!
I'm thinking this will be enforced for a few specific weeks this winter and then never again!!
And just for the record... I am not anti-Olympics.
Craig in Burnaby
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Tim
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Metro
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Never mind that the Olympics will create an increasing number of homeless people in the first place.
Never mind that money is being scraped from every corner (including reducing access to help for the poor) to fund this sham.
As long as they can get 'em off the streets and out of sight of the world's tourism bureaus the BC Conser--I mean "Liberals" are happy.
Otherwise, why now? People have been dying in the streets for all of the fifteen years we've been saddled with these "pain-first-pay-later" clowns.
canuck38
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Oh well,never mind,just throw another million $$ into the pot to solve the problem.
syko
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This is not about the Olympics...yeah right.Why not round them up and send them to re-education camps. Or we could give them all official Olympic clothing that way if the world sees them sleeping on the street they will at least look stylish.
Allan (Vancouver)
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P.A.
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Lucky in N.S.
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GP
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I also absolutely disagree with giving the government in BC, who has deceived the public before, the right to incarcerate someone because of the weather. I think we are ALL better off waiting till someone breaks the law and then prove it in a court of law, before we throw anyone in the digger with everything that goes on there.
I’m sure the police have better things to do as well.
Sick of the Pig Sty
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Greg in Cambridge
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You know I have to pay out of my own pocket for medical treatments and prescriptions and those drug addicts get a nice place to shoot up, for free.What's wrong with that picture?
Rose in Victoria
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If they don’t want to go then (“use force”) tazer them?
This is very sick.
M. Cameron
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Question Guy
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junebug
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mirth
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This is an irresponsible move by the BC govt, almost as bad as the HST. I believe the Campbell government fears the impending organization of the homeless to demonstrate during Olympic games.
Paul Graham, Saskatoon
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Unfortunately, any good will that may be behind this legislation is far too suspiciously close to the Olympics and "spin control" to be of value. Typical neo-liberal thinking here.
Connie
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Nathan
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Flabbergasted
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Why doesn’t the BC government do something to help the homeless not jail them?
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Anyway, that being said, I don't disagree with it either way. Even if it's under the guise of "we're just here to help," when they're just trying to improve the city's image, it still is a very justifiable measure that could save lives.
Hooray for the word-smiths!
Is There Anything People Won't Argue About?
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D. B.
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Lorne
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Mike Owen
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sitka
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Long firearm reregistration is NOT important.
Arts funding in NOT important.
Refugee cases are NOT important and should not be considered.
Boater operator cards are NOT important.
Double EI benefits for twins is NOT important.
etc. etc.
Every morning ... I hear of another 5 "things" that someone claims is important. That isn't true, it is an opinion where a minority of the population or beauracracy champions a cause.
So one more time what is IMPORTANT.
A comfortable private bed, a meal, and a shower should be available to every Canadian who can't provide it for themselves between the hours of 10 pm and 7 am.
The proposal discussed in this artical is evidence of our lack of focus and performance on the correct task at hand. Once we as Canadians can provide the barest essential to our citizens, then we can move on to more ancillary concerns. It will make us all good, I promise.
Robert Brise
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Fight this every way you can even if it leads to civil disobedience!!!
I mean "homeless people " are they going to take away your home?
halifaxguy
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PBW
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On a more serious note, why does the Civil Liberties Union go to all these lengths to oppose sensible legislation? There are far more important things to deal with; for example, section 13 of the Canada Human Rights Code? The fact that truth is not a defence at Human Rights tribunals? That there is no due process at Human Rights Tribunals?
Or maybe they will do anything to justify their existence and salaries.
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Mark Smith (Montreal, PQ)
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Also, this can actually excaberate the problem because of people who choose to be homeless.
There are a lot of people who WANT to be homeless, because they enjoy being completely severed from the anonymous system that governs our lives. They don't worry about anything remotely buearaucratic, about money, about privacy, nothing at all. But, the fact of the matter is, these same people are visiting soup kitchens and shelters and choosing to reap the rewards of our hard spent tax dollars. Forcing them into shelters that I pay for?
Look, a lot homeless folk, they are on the street because of consequence, not choice. I'm glad my tax money is being used to help out those people, but please, don't waste that money on people who want to be in the position their in. They CHOSE that way of life.
So this is why I don't agree with what BC is doing. It'll place an unnecessary burden on the province, diverting valuable resources that could be used to solve the actual issues that create homelessness.
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Shelters are for losers
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I lived outside for about 18 months but by staying away from the losers and bullies in the shelters was able to experience some happiness and independence.
My thinking improved and I learned to read the French language. I then spent 2 years in a technical college where I graduated with honours.
Things just keep getting better and better. The recession hasn't had an impact on me at all.
Carl
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Crescent Roll
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Sparky in Kitchener
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Damn,now we can take 'em in at gunpoint!
I guess it's a bigger crime to be homeless than it is to be a child molester!
Ain't Canada great?
Mark Skid
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Whoa there Tiger! Let's think that one through before we make foolish statement like that!
Bornagain
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allan
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--And what is wrong with getting people off the streets during the olympics? Do we want to look like a 3rd world country just to satisfy some left-wing wackos like civil liberties?
Gary
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I have tried to help some people but they couldn't care less. They are happy living on the street, they don't want to work. They want everything for free.
I say give them the option of some place to stay. Yes I have to work to pay for them. But at least I don't have to live with the horror that someone died outside because they had no place to sleep
Doug
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michael from ottawa
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Here we go again.
Now let me get this straight....the government wants to get a person OFF the street, give them warmth and shelter and a place that is safe....and these " Libertarions" are opposed to it??????!!!!! .and all of this at taxpayers' expense, correct me if I am wrong??!!
What planet do I/WE live on??!!
Tell you what....luckily i am not in charge or they would all be arrested for vagrancy and disturbing the peace and whatever else I could think of to get them OFF the streets!!!!
Funny thing.....if the government didn't step in to help and offer this solution they would be seen as terrible, meanspirited people. Sometimes, and most often in this society you just cannot win!!
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Jay
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Not everyone on the streets is mentally ill. Some people just dont feel like doing the 9-5 stepford trip.
Mind your own business; how many homeless people cry out when one of them freezes to death? Probably none of them. Freezing people is just too unsettling for us warm cozy folks in our big houses.
Hindusan from Ontario
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CCEdmonton
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J in TO
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Sam C
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Yeah, arresting people and throwing them in jail -- or giving them a fine -- because they are homeless: THAT's the answer! *rolls eyes*
smokycat
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Frankly, it makes me sick....!
Yes, I am very anti-games and think all that money could be better spent helping our own Canadian citizens who need it..
James in Vernon
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