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Date: Thu. Aug. 6 2009 9:13 PM ET
The new secretary-general of NATO says he would "regret" seeing Ottawa end its Afghan mission in two years time, and that having a stable Afghanistan is in Canada's best interest.
Anders Fogh Rasmussen took over the reins of NATO at the start of the week, and has been touring the war-torn part of southern Afghanistan in recent days.
On Thursday, Rasmussen visited both the NATO base and the village of Deh-e-Bagh -- a high profile Canadian project located in Kandahar province -- after which he was asked by reporters about his feelings on the Canadians ending their mission in 2011.
"Of course I'm not going to interfere with domestic politics in individual allied nations, but seen from an alliance point of view, I would strongly regret if that became the final outcome of the Canadian considerations," Rasmussen said.
"At the end of the day it is a question of our own security -- we cannot allow Afghanistan once again to become a safe haven for terrorists -- and I also think it is in Canada's interest to ensure a peaceful and stable Afghanistan."
Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lawrence Cannon, responded that the NATO secretary general's comments are "an acknowledgement of the great work Canada has done in Kandahar."
"However, our government is abiding by the motion passed in Parliament in 2008. That is: our combat forces will leave by 2011. We're staying the course," Cannon said.
The NATO leader was accompanied by U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. and NATO soldier in Afghanistan, and Canadian Brig.-Gen. Jonathan Vance, the commander of Canada's troops in the country.
Rasmussen said its up to each NATO nation to make its own decision on how to contribute to the mission.
"What I can do, is to encourage alliance members to do their utmost to ensure continued solidarity within our alliance," Rasmussen told reporters.
He also said that a military solution is not the answer for Afghanistan.
"This is exactly the approach we will pursue in the coming years," Ramussen said, while touring Deh-e-Bagh, which has been touted as a model, peaceful Afghan village.
"Obviously we need to strengthen military efforts to improve the security situation, but we also have to realize that there is no military solution solely. So, we have in parallel with our military efforts, to step up our endeavours concerning civilian reconstruction and this project is an example of how we will do it in the future."
Omar El Akkad, a reporter with The Globe and Mail, was present for Rasmussen's remarks.
He said Rasmussen's remarks were off-the-cuff and seemed to paint a picture of regret over Canada's decision.
"Of course, he chose his words very carefully, but he essentially said: 'You know, from an Alliance point of view, I would strongly regret it if that became the final decision, Canada's final decision,'" he told CTV News Channel during a phone interview from Kandahar on Thursday.
Military analyst Mercedes Stephenson told CTV News Channel that the NATO chief's comments shouldn't be considered a surprise.
"We should have been expecting this because we are really doing a fantastic job with a small number of troops," she said. "Canadians have an excellent reputation . . . there."
"We have been punching above our weight in Kandahar."
Canada has lost 127 soldiers in Afghanistan, and has by far the highest casualty rate among NATO nations there.
Some 45,000 NATO troops will be in the south part of Afghanistan for the national elections that will take place later this month.
Canada's mission to Afghanistan is scheduled to end at the end of 2011. Dutch troops will begin to leave the country the year before, in July 2010.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.








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Matt
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John from Fredericton
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Mother Y
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Frank in Brampton
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Our soldiers are dying while other countries are hiding!!!
J.D.
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Canada has pulled its fair share. Go ask your fellow EU cowards.
Josh Rowlands
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Kevin in T.O.
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Another Matt
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Just A dude
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I have no problem with us staying so long other nations such as France, Germany, Spain and Italy step up to the plate and provide more combat troops to do what's required.
Roger in YK
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Canadian soldiers (and everyone else) should not have their lives put on the line for a political confab.
The bureaucrats who conceived this flawed mission (in which ever country they reside) should be put on trial for criminal negligence and then we should all leave the Afghans alone, so they can finally clean up the mess we made.
Imagine, how terrible our 'leaders' must be for trying to change a culture they have no comprehension of and for using violent means to achieve their hollow material goals.
The mission in Afghanistan has never been about helping Afghans or removing the "Taliban". It has always been about global hegemony and isolating the Iranian government from a piece of the pie; exploiting the natural gas in the Caspian Sea as part of the economic suffocation of non-Western countries.
Lies, lies, lies.
Our bravest soldiers have been betrayed by the "honorable" men & women we "elect" to represent our values.
How tragic this whole misadventure has been, indeed.
Bring the troops home and kick the bums who sent them their out of office for the last time.
Steve in Ottawa
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I see you too bought into the 'Canada is a peace keeper' myth.
Read a little history about Canada's military contribution in the Boer War, WW1, WW2 and Korea.
Canada 'kept peace' by militarily defeating its enemies.
You may not like the truth - but there it is.
Oh yes, the CF-104 Starfighter based in Europe was armed with an H bomb during the Cold War - and there's more, but that's for you to find out.
Read your history and not mythology.
all for the fight.......but ?
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meerkat
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GG
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terry in Ottawa
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justjeff1972
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Mother Y, remember that long before the term 'peacekeeper' ever came to being, Canada was one of the most feared fighting forces in the world. So, before you besmirch previous and present generations of fighting men and women, do some research first.
Mr. North
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We have a new military front, our Arctic sovereignty.
Bring the troops home and beef up things up north.
Allan Eizinas
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It appears that sanity has broken out.
Bob Ontario
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I would rather not see more trips along the Highway of Heroes.
Dave in Vancouver
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Bill Steedman
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While it's true that the US, British and Canadian troops have bore the greatest burden, (what else is new) other have bled. Check out the Dutch casualties...they are not there on holiday.
If you cast aside your notions of a "front line" that you have seen in Holywood movies, you will understand that there is no safe place in Afghanistan or anywhere else when fighting terrorism.
And unless you've held a rifle in hostile terrirory wearing your countries uniform, I would knock off calling people cowards. it's easy from the cheap seats.
Allan Mann from Stittsville
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Let's not make this another endless Cyprus mission.
RPK ~ Kitchener:
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Your comments that it is in CANADA"s best interest to stay in Afghanistan ~ SAY WHAT !!!!!
Our best interest, is to complete our mandate, as per our Parliament, and return home with honour & having done our best.
Where are the NATO Troops?
Let the Afghanistan Government (isn't it a real jewel with that so called President Kharzai) take over and run their country.
This is a sink hole mission, and its only a place that will never be anything more than it is.
The American's have come in now, with a larger force, and will be there 15 years from now ~ NOT CANADA !
We will serve our mandate with honour and committment then "IT's Home !
Let NATO do what they haven't to date less retoric more troops and pull your weight - member by member.
Denis
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I'm referring to Europeans to elect Europeans only to the secretary-general position.
crazyhorse2002
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Doug in BC
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That said,I also agree with those who rightly suggest our men and women have done more than their fair share.And with not one complaint from any of them.Words cannot express how proud I am of the CF,and of their families.I regret that so many Canadians oppose more support for these people,and their families.If we had not allowed our military to become so ill equipped,and so sparse in their numbers,we would now be far better equipped to see this through to the end.More people serving would mean fewer people would have to do so many rotations.My concern is for those we ask to go back over and over.This has been going on to long for so,that the small number of people we have in our military are carrying to much of the burden.That's Canada's fault for downsizing the military,not NATO's.But we have to deal with the reality of how many boots we have on the ground.I can barely imagine them not getting burned out very soon.In the absence of fresh personel,in my opinion,we are left with little choice.
And finally,I totally agree with "John from Fredricton".To few NATO nations are willing to do the dirty work here.Canada has been among those unwilling in the past,so maybe this is payback time.But the EU needs to get ALL it's members out from under cover so ALL members share ALL the work.Political problems are at play,but someone has to make the tough,unpopular decisions.
And "NO",our military people ARE NOT PEACEKEEPERS,though they can help do that too.
GOD BLESS ALL WHO SERVE.
tony
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Spenc from BC
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JK
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Vet's Father in SK
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Helma
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Canadian Soldier' Wife
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J in YOW
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Ian
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I would suggest that before we commit to such a role, it is high time some NATO countries stepped up to the plate with their forces that will engage in the same difficulties our men and women are challenging day in and day out. This is not a game of hide and seek. The reality is of seek and destroy.
May God look over our people while in such a high risk environment.
Politricks
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This is America's imperial war, let them fight it. Just look at a map, simple as Tic Tac Toe, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq...all in the world's energy heartland.
So let's drop the noble rhetoric about democracy and peace. This isn't a Peace Keeping mission as there is no peace to keep.
From the Soviets to Alexander the Great, this region will never be taken by foreign armies.
David H in Ottawa
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Goldens
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The Afghan government must improve the pace and competence of the development of it’s police and curb the corruption. These conditions should be met before Canada makes any further commitment.
There comes a time to kick the bird out of the nest and the bird either flies on it’s own or bounces when it hits the ground.
John W
Bridgtown NS
A soldier
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bunny
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Kyle
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To call other NATO forces cowards is far from the truth. I am sure a mother or father from a European country who lost a son or daughter while serving in this mission would boldy disagree with all your comments. It hits home to them like it does you.
To call a soldier from any nation who served his country and beliefs from any danger area a coward while you sit in your chair reading ctv.ca, well who is the real coward?
JRow
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GWinnipeg
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Which one is more important?
wilbo
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As a matter of fact Europe should send trop to replace N. A. troops.
David from Dartmouth NS
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EUROPE IS THE PLANETS COLONY OF HYPOCRITES!! Bring our sons and daughters home..AT THE APPOINTED TIME!!
Dixie from Alberta
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Richard
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I am all for "the mission", but only if the rest of the membership pulls its wieght, which they are not about to do.
How about this. Canada agrees to keep its soldiers in Afghanistan on the condition that the coward countries agree to send another 50,000 troops without any restrictions from fighting, or Canada leaves!
Denise Boivin
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How many of his countrymen have they lost so far, and how many of them are in dangerous positions like the Canadians are.
If you he can't better the Canadians or even come close to it then he should mind his own business.
If people started reading the history of Afghanistan they would know that all those lost lives have been for nothing. No matter what they accomplish in that country, when the troops come out of there whether it is in ten years or one hundred years they will go back to what they were at the beginning.
J in YOW
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Trevor
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GJ
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Let the 'heroes' who keep committing our troops to the carnage go fight it out instead.
russ
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Greg - Oshawa
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We have a long and proud military heritage and I'm tired of the cowards who continue to voice the view we are only peacekeepers. IN fact other countries have performed more peacekeeping missions with more personnel than Canada. This is a Liberal lye and we need to wake up!
Canada's military is well respected world wide, not for numbers, but for quality. We have always punched far above our class no thanks the last 40 years of Liberal in-difference.
God Bless our Troops and we should stay in Afghan until the job is done. The world failed Koren when they left let's not repeat this mistake again. It is time for these "Chamberlain" types to hide back in their rooms. We have enough brave and proud men and women to do the job. Let's fully support this effort politically, financially and with troops and equipment.
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Our numbers are not large, and repeat combat tours are hard on members, more so for front line troops.
We get neglected by Liberal goverments, as stated by our previous CDS, "The Last Decade of Darkness". Neglected by Veteran Affairs, who seem to turn down more medical claims than they accept.
With shrinking budgets, we would make Red Green proud, we can keep Helos and tanks together with guntape.
But we will continue to proudly represent Canada, and defend people worldwide, answer the call every time we are tasked.
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Randy in Winnipeg
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Right said Fred
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Holland revisited
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Fred - Brandon MB
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Bob S. Florida, U.S.A.
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The E.U. sits in their ivory tower and dictates.
Once the mess in Afganistan is over, we should just concern ourselves militarily with our own backyard.
As an American, I'm tired of sending our kids off to die, while the Europeans come in after its all aver to reap the benefits!
bob,calgary,alberta
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JMB
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What part of the oil pipeline, for which Afghanistan was invaded, will Canada own?
GP
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I have deployed with EU military in theatres of operation and war, and I know they are well trained and there is the desire by their military leadership to contribute. It is however not deemed to be politically expedient by the governments in power...even if they know it’s the right thing to do. This just tells us that we cannot trust these governments when its “go time”.
Hats off to both the Libs and Cons for having the guts to step up. I am proud to be Canadian!
Politricks
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But how does being in the Canadian infantry or likewise being a spouse of someone who is, make that person more qualified to have an opinion on this matter then the rest?
Unless you are a mid to high level officer, I doubt the "follow orders dont ask questions" nature of the military made you more aware of big picture, macro level developments in the country.
Sure your experience is legit and telling on an individual level, but that shouldn't form policy. S
Indoctrinating the military to believe in the mission is part of military morale, but SEPERATE from the political policy.
Again, just felt it had to be said.
Aaron Mavie (RCHA ret,)
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I agree with them...as do the majority of Canadians. Just because Canada is foolish enough to have soldiers killed for a polyanish mission doesn't nean other countries want to see the wasteful deaths of their own soldiers.
Jim in London Ontario
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either puts up or gets out.I am an ex military member and it is time CANADA comes home and lets NATO Bail themself out!!!!
Hondo from Az.
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Mike
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Bob S. Florida, U.S.A.
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For those of you you feel that you're fighting the U.S.A's battle for us in Afganistan, you need to remember why we are there.
We're there because of what happened on 9/11. And if I remember correctly, there were quite a few Canadians in those 2 buildings!
How soon we forget!
Syd
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We do not even have the population of Southern California!!
No country should be sending troops as "their" country! What is the purpose of the UN again????
Proud Canadian
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My concern with Afghanistan as with extremist growth in Africa is more with the "apathetic, no care" attitude of other believers of Islam. If my Christian brothers were bombing innocents and cutting off the head of the "infidels" I would be UP IN ARMS wanting their "medieval or caveman ways" to stop! Peace in the Muslim world needs to come from Muslims! Many thanks to our Canadian forces by sea, land and air!!
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Elly
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Tono
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NATO is such a relic of the Cold War. Let's resign.
pete
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It's time for the EU to step up to the plate. So far only the Dutch have contributed. It's time for countries like France, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Norway & Belgium to step up. And where is Turkey in all this?
Canada, The US and Britain have enough casualties!
There are 28 member states that make up NATO, not just 3.
City Buddha
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Debb
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I do support allowing women and children and refugees to come to Canada. Let the men fight each other.
Tomm, Winnipeg
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Likewise, some countries have problems maintaining law and order, and also maintaining human rights at the same time, and might need help in this task for decades. We dont just say, oh we are tired of this, we are just abandoning your country to the gangs, tribal warlords, and religious despots. The Soviet occupation and then the Taliban regime both made a mess of Afghanistan. Surely NATO is an improvement. Why are so many people obsessed with abandoning the rest of the world.
NATO had a presence in Germany and Japan for decades after WW II ended, and we made sure democracy was firmly established before we left (but of course there were other strategic reasons as well -- Communist USSR and Communist China being next door to Germany and Japan).
It is so foolish to abandon our current position in Afghanistan, and who knows what kind of potentially hostile government could result (like in Iran,or getting the Taliban all over again). For those who seem to forget, the Taliban supported the attacks on 9/11, they destroyed thousands of antiquities as un-Islamic; woman were covered head to toe in Burkas; music, dancing, television, and even the game of chess were outlawed; people were routinely stoned to death for riddiculous "crimes", for example, female rape victims were killed, homosexuals killed, etc, etc. There still remains a possibility that this kind of regime could happen all over again. We cant just abandon the place.
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If you look at those current numbers they reflect the troop surge from the US. Those numbers are higher than our CF's fit fighting numbers across the board. Add the Brits and a few other small contributions and there you go. Even the Germans have been redeployed away from their safe areas of responsibility.
The French and Italians are still in the safest sectors.
Marc
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We've done our part. It's time for the other NATO members to step up to the plate
Vic
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Tammy from London
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Trent A SERVING SOLIDER
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BC Conservative
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The Americans invaded Afghanistan to get Osama bin Laden - but they dropped that mission, and invaded Iraq instead. We then turned our mission from peackeeping to combat in Afghanistan to hold the front liine there.
Why?
Turns out that the invasion was planned before George Bush was elected. 9/11 provided an excuse. Rumsfeld is on record as saying so.
So why did the terrorists destroy buildings? Turns out they want the Americans to remove their troops from Saudi Arabia,(it violates the Koran) and had asked the U.S. to do that several times.
The Americans promised to remove them in 1992. They're still there.
This doesn't excuse the deaths of the people in the buildings- the terrorists should be convicted. But it explains the motives of the terrorists. And those motives cannot be removed from the context of American foreign policy.
So why don't the Americans remove their troops and end terrorism? Because the troops support the Saudi princes, who hold the tap to the oil pipeline hostage. American can't support itself with its own oil. It needs Saudi oil (and Iraqi oil) to support its economy.
So why are Canadian troops dying in Afghanistan? To support a war on terror that really supports American oil industry's profits and American economic interests.
That's why the oil industry funded G.W. Bush's run for the presidency in 2000. Our troops aren't dying for "freedom and democracy" for the Afghan people, as noble as that ideal is.
So all of you who keep shouting "support our troops" just don't get it. Our kids are dying because the Americans need oil, not because they support democracy. Because if they did, why are they supporting the Saudi princes, who are dictators?
R Smith
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Our country has given this march out time & that sticks unless something is done very, very soon in our favour not a year or so down the road but right now.
Pat - Ottawa
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Not going to be popular for this:
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That's like saying that throwing a rock into Sylan Lake will keep a Tiger away: You don't see any Tiger's around Sylan Lake, but it doesn't mean that the stupid rock you threw in the lake is the reason why.
We've never been subjected to any terrorist attacks or potential for war in Canada and would probably never have been until we put our big noses into the middle of it. Thanks to these so called soldiers, our country is now perceived as a threat around the rest of the world.
A friend from Thailand put it best. We used to love Canadians, until they decided to follow the US into war.
Chris in Kingston
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The Canadian Forces do not need a Vietnam-style blackmark, by pulling out before we're finished. Leaving Afghanistan now spits on the lives of 127 Canadian soldiers, who fight to allow you people to tell them where they should be and what they should do there.
Ryan from Calgary
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meerkat's last thought on this
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Our governments, our troops and our families. Our citizens all deeply REGRET the fact that there is no political will in MANY of our NATO allies.
Some allies eh.
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Very, very few European nations other than Britain and Holland have faced combat on a daily basis. If I have missed any others, please forgive me.
The European members of NATO are going to have to come out from their barricades and start baring their fair share of the burden of Combat, other than just being there.
current rcr
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Just my two sence.
regards
Philippe Cyr Toronto
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Raymond
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Your 'told you so' attitude smells.
Our troops have carried out a determined, justified mission. They've done it with a pride, professionalism, and patriotism that is glaringly absent from people of your stripe.
It is high time other countries took up the slack.
Layton's banter served only to undermine the mission and the troops AFTER the decision to commit them was made. He brought criticism upon himself.
eddytoronto
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In Canada, the Gestapo drops by your home if you plan to protest against the government.
In the flush of bidding for and winning the right to host the Olympics, nobody talked about how staging them might mean limiting civil liberties.
It’s only now, with seven months until the 2010 Winter Games begin, that organizers and compliant politicians are revealing plans to make it more difficult to exercise our fundamental constitutional rights to free speech, peaceful assembly and free expression.
For months now, police have been knocking on the doors of known activists and tracking them down in their neighbourhoods to “chat” about their Olympic protest plans. But that’s only part of it.
James in Ottawa
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There has been tremendous work done there by Canadians and we should be so very proud of our contribution to NATO and our allies.
Mike from Toronto
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DCR-Toronto
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Typical...the US and Canada had to save them in WWI and WWII, but they can't pull their own weight when the WORLD needs their help. I am furious!!!
David Probst
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Richard L. Provencher
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Inga
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Richard L. Provencher
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Also, my dad donated four years straight and did not come home until WW 11 was finished. He spent two years in England with a massive group of Canadian flyers who helped bomb Germany.
If England had fallen, we would have a much different country today. Thank you to all our Canadian troops for the great job you are doing.