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Date: Thu. Aug. 6 2009 9:13 PM ET

The new secretary-general of NATO says he would "regret" seeing Ottawa end its Afghan mission in two years time, and that having a stable Afghanistan is in Canada's best interest.

Anders Fogh Rasmussen took over the reins of NATO at the start of the week, and has been touring the war-torn part of southern Afghanistan in recent days.

On Thursday, Rasmussen visited both the NATO base and the village of Deh-e-Bagh -- a high profile Canadian project located in Kandahar province -- after which he was asked by reporters about his feelings on the Canadians ending their mission in 2011.

"Of course I'm not going to interfere with domestic politics in individual allied nations, but seen from an alliance point of view, I would strongly regret if that became the final outcome of the Canadian considerations," Rasmussen said.

"At the end of the day it is a question of our own security -- we cannot allow Afghanistan once again to become a safe haven for terrorists -- and I also think it is in Canada's interest to ensure a peaceful and stable Afghanistan."

Canada's foreign affairs minister, Lawrence Cannon, responded that the NATO secretary general's comments are "an acknowledgement of the great work Canada has done in Kandahar."

"However, our government is abiding by the motion passed in Parliament in 2008. That is: our combat forces will leave by 2011. We're staying the course," Cannon said.

The NATO leader was accompanied by U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. and NATO soldier in Afghanistan, and Canadian Brig.-Gen. Jonathan Vance, the commander of Canada's troops in the country.

Rasmussen said its up to each NATO nation to make its own decision on how to contribute to the mission.

"What I can do, is to encourage alliance members to do their utmost to ensure continued solidarity within our alliance," Rasmussen told reporters.

He also said that a military solution is not the answer for Afghanistan.

"This is exactly the approach we will pursue in the coming years," Ramussen said, while touring Deh-e-Bagh, which has been touted as a model, peaceful Afghan village.

"Obviously we need to strengthen military efforts to improve the security situation, but we also have to realize that there is no military solution solely. So, we have in parallel with our military efforts, to step up our endeavours concerning civilian reconstruction and this project is an example of how we will do it in the future."

Omar El Akkad, a reporter with The Globe and Mail, was present for Rasmussen's remarks.

He said Rasmussen's remarks were off-the-cuff and seemed to paint a picture of regret over Canada's decision.

"Of course, he chose his words very carefully, but he essentially said: 'You know, from an Alliance point of view, I would strongly regret it if that became the final decision, Canada's final decision,'" he told CTV News Channel during a phone interview from Kandahar on Thursday.

Military analyst Mercedes Stephenson told CTV News Channel that the NATO chief's comments shouldn't be considered a surprise.

"We should have been expecting this because we are really doing a fantastic job with a small number of troops," she said. "Canadians have an excellent reputation . . . there."

"We have been punching above our weight in Kandahar."

Canada has lost 127 soldiers in Afghanistan, and has by far the highest casualty rate among NATO nations there.

Some 45,000 NATO troops will be in the south part of Afghanistan for the national elections that will take place later this month.

Canada's mission to Afghanistan is scheduled to end at the end of 2011. Dutch troops will begin to leave the country the year before, in July 2010.

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Matt
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Isn't that interesting, yet it is the Canadian men and women in danger. As long as other NATO Nations hide 2011.


John from Fredericton
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You want us to stay, we'll stay, provided that the other members of NATO step up to the plate.


Mother Y
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were peace keepers, not dog's


Frank in Brampton
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Matt your bang on!

Our soldiers are dying while other countries are hiding!!!


J.D.
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Take a Hike!

Canada has pulled its fair share. Go ask your fellow EU cowards.


Josh Rowlands
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Were not peacekeepers get that through your head peackeeping is a mission not a way of life, we are soldiers and soldiers are made to do mayn things not just peacekeep and or fight !


Kevin in T.O.
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Co sign John in Fredricton. Its time our European allies (read France, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Sweden) helped on the front lines. None of these we're lovers not fighters rhetoric. It is in everyone's best interest to have a stable Afganistan.


Another Matt
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If you read the ENTIRE article, you'll notice that there will be 45,000 NATO troops in just the Southern part of the country for the elections. Canada has contributed...2,500? How do you figure other NATO countries are hiding? We're in this together and we should finish the job we started or we'll have to do it all over again in ten years.


Just A dude
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NATO wants us to stay over there, yet only a few of the allied nations are willing to do what is required in order to make substantial and sustainable progress over there.

I have no problem with us staying so long other nations such as France, Germany, Spain and Italy step up to the plate and provide more combat troops to do what's required.


Roger in YK
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Well, screw Nato.

Canadian soldiers (and everyone else) should not have their lives put on the line for a political confab.
The bureaucrats who conceived this flawed mission (in which ever country they reside) should be put on trial for criminal negligence and then we should all leave the Afghans alone, so they can finally clean up the mess we made.
Imagine, how terrible our 'leaders' must be for trying to change a culture they have no comprehension of and for using violent means to achieve their hollow material goals.
The mission in Afghanistan has never been about helping Afghans or removing the "Taliban". It has always been about global hegemony and isolating the Iranian government from a piece of the pie; exploiting the natural gas in the Caspian Sea as part of the economic suffocation of non-Western countries.
Lies, lies, lies.
Our bravest soldiers have been betrayed by the "honorable" men & women we "elect" to represent our values.
How tragic this whole misadventure has been, indeed.
Bring the troops home and kick the bums who sent them their out of office for the last time.


Steve in Ottawa
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Dear Mother Y

I see you too bought into the 'Canada is a peace keeper' myth.

Read a little history about Canada's military contribution in the Boer War, WW1, WW2 and Korea.

Canada 'kept peace' by militarily defeating its enemies.

You may not like the truth - but there it is.

Oh yes, the CF-104 Starfighter based in Europe was armed with an H bomb during the Cold War - and there's more, but that's for you to find out.

Read your history and not mythology.


all for the fight.......but ?
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what country is this yuppy from? i bet its one of the countrys that stay nice and safe on the base? ask your own people to step up jack a$$ iam sick of these jokers telling us what to do!!!!!!!! put some of your own on the front lines


meerkat
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i have no problem with extending the mission beyond 2011... as long as it is in a peace keeping or reconstructive capacity. it's time for some of our allies (italy, germany etc.) to step up to the combat plate


GG
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I think this new ' dude' best get his records straight before ' mouthing off...Our Canadian forces spent the best part of this mission in the most dangerous of regions because the rest of the NATO forces refused to take on any heavy lifting. Canadians were absoutely 100% right to ask our government to end the combat part of this mission. If other NATO countries wanted to go into Kandahar then I am sure Canada would been pleased to help out in other less volatile areas of Afghanistan. The mission needs more diplomacy, training of self sufficient Afghan troops and police and a better government. The Americans also need to come in 100% since they deserted Afghanistan to go start a stupid war in Iraq. Finish the job USA ! We went to help the efforts not fight your battles !


terry in Ottawa
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I do not agree with the idea that it is in our best interest to see Afganistan stable for the very reason it will never happen. The problem has already started to mutate to parts of Africa and Asia and will continue. It is in reality a religion that is the firtile ground that gives us the cause to fight and this can never be defeated through military action or for that matter, Political action. This may be contained perhaps but at what cost in lives on both sides?


justjeff1972
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What most people forget, that even though the combat mission ends for Canada in 2011, the PRT(Provincial Reconstruction Teams) will still be there working with the people of Afghanistan. Granted the new Secretary-General of NATO would 'regret' Canada's end to our mission, it would be nice to have the remainder of NATO contribute more of their personnel rather than ride Canada, Great Britian, and the US.

Mother Y, remember that long before the term 'peacekeeper' ever came to being, Canada was one of the most feared fighting forces in the world. So, before you besmirch previous and present generations of fighting men and women, do some research first.


Mr. North
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We *REGRET* that the EU armies hide in Kabul.

We have a new military front, our Arctic sovereignty.

Bring the troops home and beef up things up north.


Allan Eizinas
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It appears that the tide has certainly turned. What happened to “allow all those little girls to go to school” and “we will win their hearts and minds” and “stand behind your troops or stand in front of them” and “fight them there or be ready to fight them here”? A short while ago it was “we will never cut and run” and “Taliban Jack Layton”. Some were even prepared to label those who did not enthusiastically support this war as “traitors”.

It appears that sanity has broken out.



Bob Ontario
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well, the secretary-general's regrets are too bad. It is time to go.

I would rather not see more trips along the Highway of Heroes.


Dave in Vancouver
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The brave Men and Women of the Canadian Armed Forces have performed brilliantly and deserve a rest. It's time that the other NATO members contribute like Canada has.


Bill Steedman
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There have been a large number of European soldiers killed in action. I would suggest some people calling them cowards from the comfort of an armchair, google these facts before commenting.
While it's true that the US, British and Canadian troops have bore the greatest burden, (what else is new) other have bled. Check out the Dutch casualties...they are not there on holiday.

If you cast aside your notions of a "front line" that you have seen in Holywood movies, you will understand that there is no safe place in Afghanistan or anywhere else when fighting terrorism.
And unless you've held a rifle in hostile terrirory wearing your countries uniform, I would knock off calling people cowards. it's easy from the cheap seats.


Allan Mann from Stittsville
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Advisors, mentors, instructors maybe. But this country has over- contributed its share of casualties in a land that neither cares nor is concerned. Germany, is locked away in the safer northern provinces of Afghanistan. Italy, Turkey, Spain are barely assisting. France has returned to NATO and is finally assisting. The truly embarassing part is that Australia has given more troops than some NATO countries and guess what, Australia isn't even a part of NATO. People forget that Afghanistan shares a border with China and what contributions have they made to stabalize the area?
Let's not make this another endless Cyprus mission.


RPK ~ Kitchener:
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Thank You "Mr. Secretary General of NATO".

Your comments that it is in CANADA"s best interest to stay in Afghanistan ~ SAY WHAT !!!!!

Our best interest, is to complete our mandate, as per our Parliament, and return home with honour & having done our best.

Where are the NATO Troops?

Let the Afghanistan Government (isn't it a real jewel with that so called President Kharzai) take over and run their country.

This is a sink hole mission, and its only a place that will never be anything more than it is.

The American's have come in now, with a larger force, and will be there 15 years from now ~ NOT CANADA !

We will serve our mandate with honour and committment then "IT's Home !

Let NATO do what they haven't to date less retoric more troops and pull your weight - member by member.


Denis
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If Canada was not shut-out of the secretary-general of NATO position, maybe Canada would have stayed longer.

I'm referring to Europeans to elect Europeans only to the secretary-general position.


crazyhorse2002
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I for one would like to thank or Canadian brothers to the north for their help in Afghanistan.I also would like to see the EU step up to the plate and get involved.The US and Canada or taking the lions share of the loss.


Doug in BC
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I know I'm going to take a lot of heat,but I'm one who thinks Canada should be there,and stand with our NATO allies.The day will come whe our children and grandchildren will need them to stand with us.

That said,I also agree with those who rightly suggest our men and women have done more than their fair share.And with not one complaint from any of them.Words cannot express how proud I am of the CF,and of their families.I regret that so many Canadians oppose more support for these people,and their families.If we had not allowed our military to become so ill equipped,and so sparse in their numbers,we would now be far better equipped to see this through to the end.More people serving would mean fewer people would have to do so many rotations.My concern is for those we ask to go back over and over.This has been going on to long for so,that the small number of people we have in our military are carrying to much of the burden.That's Canada's fault for downsizing the military,not NATO's.But we have to deal with the reality of how many boots we have on the ground.I can barely imagine them not getting burned out very soon.In the absence of fresh personel,in my opinion,we are left with little choice.

And finally,I totally agree with "John from Fredricton".To few NATO nations are willing to do the dirty work here.Canada has been among those unwilling in the past,so maybe this is payback time.But the EU needs to get ALL it's members out from under cover so ALL members share ALL the work.Political problems are at play,but someone has to make the tough,unpopular decisions.

And "NO",our military people ARE NOT PEACEKEEPERS,though they can help do that too.
GOD BLESS ALL WHO SERVE.


tony
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Time other NATO countries take over for Canada 2010 We have done our part.


Spenc from BC
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I am a conservative and supported the Afgan mission from day one. We have done our duty, now bring our boys home in Jan of 2011.


JK
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Just an observation on the '45,000 NATO tps' in Afghanistan. Approx 30,000 are American (Americans just surged 22,000 into the country), and approx 3,000 are Cdn (in various mil orgs). This leave 12,000 tps who are non North American, between the remaining 26 NATO countries. So if each country contributes 500 tps...all is well on the committment front. Trust me, other former commonwealth countries ie UK, Australia etc have considerably more than 500 boots on the ground. So maybe the EU should take a look at greater committment.


Vet's Father in SK
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Can I remind evreyone with the negative vibes that some Canadian soldiers (including my son) have yet to deploy...he leaves for Afghanistan in Sept and would really appreciate your support at this time...


Helma
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Mr. Rasmussen should have stayed in Denmark and not tell Canada what to do.


Canadian Soldier' Wife
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READ READ AND COMPREHEND. Canadian Troop are NOT pulling out as a whole. COMBAT TROOPS are. C-O-M-B-A-T. That means that RCR, PPCLI RCHA and RCDs etc This is NOT the cooks, the signals, the supply techs, the mechanics, the medics etc. My husband is in communications and he fully anticipates deploying AGAIN (after a 10 month tour finishing this past Feb) to support the COMBAT troops.




J in YOW
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Feel free to regret. We really don't mind and really don't want to be there beyond 2011.


Ian
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It is great that Canada is making a difference in this war torn country and NATO thinks we should stay beyon dour commitment today.

I would suggest that before we commit to such a role, it is high time some NATO countries stepped up to the plate with their forces that will engage in the same difficulties our men and women are challenging day in and day out. This is not a game of hide and seek. The reality is of seek and destroy.

May God look over our people while in such a high risk environment.


Politricks
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This mission has nothing to do with Canadian pride.

This is America's imperial war, let them fight it. Just look at a map, simple as Tic Tac Toe, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq...all in the world's energy heartland.

So let's drop the noble rhetoric about democracy and peace. This isn't a Peace Keeping mission as there is no peace to keep.

From the Soviets to Alexander the Great, this region will never be taken by foreign armies.


David H in Ottawa
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If anyone has ever been overseas and understands the reputation Canada has, that of a peacekeeping country. As a worldly traveller, I believe we need to maintain this reputation, as it is somewhat nice being able to travel without having to look over my shoulder every 5 minutes. From what I can see, Canada is on an offensive mission, which is not what we are known for, I believe the only reason we actually participated was to do some American butt kissing. Personally, we have done our part, and it is time to leave. Besides, the war in Afghanistan will never be won; this is a fight that we will eventually lose.


Goldens
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The liberal sent ill equipped troops to Afghanistan dressed in a jolly green jumper riding a suicide buggy. In spite of the short coming the Canadian troops have done a remarkable job. Being made the world’s patsy we must not remain so. It is time for those in Europe who are getting a free ride to step up to the plate.
The Afghan government must improve the pace and competence of the development of it’s police and curb the corruption. These conditions should be met before Canada makes any further commitment.
There comes a time to kick the bird out of the nest and the bird either flies on it’s own or bounces when it hits the ground.


John W
Bridgtown NS


A soldier
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As I read the comments made from those of you who have no idea what is actually going on over there ,let me make a few points clear. First off its not only Canadian men and woman dying over there, yes I agree that other nato members should be sharing the load. Another point, the comment made about our armed forces as peace keepers are days long gone, we are in another era and sorry to burst your secure bubble but the world is not the same as it was twenty years ago and peace keeping or I should say seeing our armed forces again participating as peacekeepers will not likley happen again. Its very easy for us to sit back and make all kinds of arm chair comments but facts are facts, Canada will pull out, we are no longer peacekeepers and just look around the globe and you tell me what has changed since twenty years ago.


bunny
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Too bad Nato, we are out of there in 2011! where was all the help.It's l ABC,America Britain and Canada, and that equals NATO!




Kyle
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I have to agree with Bill.

To call other NATO forces cowards is far from the truth. I am sure a mother or father from a European country who lost a son or daughter while serving in this mission would boldy disagree with all your comments. It hits home to them like it does you.

To call a soldier from any nation who served his country and beliefs from any danger area a coward while you sit in your chair reading ctv.ca, well who is the real coward?


JRow
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WOW ! Roger in YK you got it all figured out don't ya , conspiracy theories and all, what the hell gives you the right to make a comment like that thinking you have a clue, ya ya ya freedom of speech guess what and who gave you that right , people you have died in the past present and future so that you can share your fine opinions with us if you have a thought next time about what we and as many nations are trying to do that IS removing the Taliban and bringing peace and stability to a country that needs it so bad, if you had any idea how great you have it hear in a 1st world country you would bit your tongue I rest my case.


GWinnipeg
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So, NATO doesn't like the idea of Canada pulling it's troops? Well, Canadians don't like the idea of seeing anymore of her brothers/sisters/mothers/fathers/uncles/aunts dying for American interests.

Which one is more important?


wilbo
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Should convince his own country to support NATO with troops before telling CDNS to stay in a hot spot past our mandate.
As a matter of fact Europe should send trop to replace N. A. troops.


David from Dartmouth NS
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The hypocrical European community (except the Dutch of course) cowers in their countries that our Grand fathers and Great Grandfathers liberated twice in the last century. They are great at getting on their high horses so long as it is someone elses soldiers that do the fighting and dying, while the miserable few soldiers that they send get to hide under the cover of "caveats"!! We have done -MORE- than our fair share of dying, they don't want to fight and why should we??? What so, they can emigrate here and continue with their culture that embraces the wholesale murder of their families by drowning?? ( Wife and 3 daughters near Kingston)--ENOUGH already!!! If it wasn't for the Canadians, Americans, British and Dutch this would have been over long ago..

EUROPE IS THE PLANETS COLONY OF HYPOCRITES!! Bring our sons and daughters home..AT THE APPOINTED TIME!!



Dixie from Alberta
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They want Canada to stay because they can't convince the rest of the Nato Nations to participate. We've given enough..while others have given nothing. In 2011 --time to come home.


Richard
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Once again, the majority of the EU members in NATO who are nothing more than cowards is asking us to do thier job for them.

I am all for "the mission", but only if the rest of the membership pulls its wieght, which they are not about to do.

How about this. Canada agrees to keep its soldiers in Afghanistan on the condition that the coward countries agree to send another 50,000 troops without any restrictions from fighting, or Canada leaves!


Denise Boivin
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The Secretary General of NATO has just taken over this post and already he is telling the allied countries what they should do.

How many of his countrymen have they lost so far, and how many of them are in dangerous positions like the Canadians are.

If you he can't better the Canadians or even come close to it then he should mind his own business.

If people started reading the history of Afghanistan they would know that all those lost lives have been for nothing. No matter what they accomplish in that country, when the troops come out of there whether it is in ten years or one hundred years they will go back to what they were at the beginning.


J in YOW
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Dear Vet's Father in SK: I believe most of the posters here and that Canadians in general support our troops ... but please don't confuse objection to the war in Aghanistan and the "policy" decisions made to go and stay there as long as we have with support for the troops. They are not the same thing and they are not mutually exclusine.


Trevor
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My oldest son is in the process of entering into the military right now. He has told me he feels a need to help the people of Afghanistan. So here I am, a father about to send my son to another country and put his life on the line, and I have to say that as a first generation Canadian, and coming from a family that has experienced the real horrors of war in Russia, I am very proud of my 19 year old son, who feels it is his role to play a part. Now I think about all the others who have served or are preparing to serve in Afghanistan, and I think about those who have been injured and killed. The only conclusion I can come up with is we as a country need to stay until the job is done. If by chance during the second world war, Canada decided near the end, to pull out, mt mother who was saved by Canadian Soldiers (which is the reason my family came to Canada) would have been killed. Now I think about my son, and what impact he may have on maybe just one person in Afghanistan, being able to have rights and enjoy choices due to his service, and again I say Canada needs to stay till the job is done. We have a reputation of doing things that others cannot do, of finishing fights that are seen as impossible (Vimy). Why are we willing to put our tails between or legs and turn our backs on these wonderful people just because the job is long and hard. I know my grandfather would not recognize what we have become as a nation. We need to stay.


GJ
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2011 ?? not bad for an initial "6 month committment"

Let the 'heroes' who keep committing our troops to the carnage go fight it out instead.


russ
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It's a consensus, bring the soldiers home as scheduled. Other NATO members should start planning who is next of the list and hold them to their obligation. Canada has fulfilled it's obligation and should not be asked stay any longer.


Greg - Oshawa
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This notion that Canada is a country of peacekeepers come from people with a very twisted view of the world and history. Canadians have fought and shoulder loads much larger than our physically number would indicate. We are proud that our family members fought bravely in the Boer War, WW1, WW2, Korean. In fact after WW2 Canada had the 3rd largest navy in the world. We also would of had one of the largest air force in the world as there was an order for 750 Avro Arrows.

We have a long and proud military heritage and I'm tired of the cowards who continue to voice the view we are only peacekeepers. IN fact other countries have performed more peacekeeping missions with more personnel than Canada. This is a Liberal lye and we need to wake up!

Canada's military is well respected world wide, not for numbers, but for quality. We have always punched far above our class no thanks the last 40 years of Liberal in-difference.

God Bless our Troops and we should stay in Afghan until the job is done. The world failed Koren when they left let's not repeat this mistake again. It is time for these "Chamberlain" types to hide back in their rooms. We have enough brave and proud men and women to do the job. Let's fully support this effort politically, financially and with troops and equipment.


Afghan Vet
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All members of the C.F are proud fighters. If we are tasked with a peace keeping mission, or a Theatre of War, we always meet it head on.
Our numbers are not large, and repeat combat tours are hard on members, more so for front line troops.
We get neglected by Liberal goverments, as stated by our previous CDS, "The Last Decade of Darkness". Neglected by Veteran Affairs, who seem to turn down more medical claims than they accept.
With shrinking budgets, we would make Red Green proud, we can keep Helos and tanks together with guntape.
But we will continue to proudly represent Canada, and defend people worldwide, answer the call every time we are tasked.


Art
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Nato nations , most being European , should "regret " not supporting Canada with their own nations troops. Many of those Nato countries with troops in Afghanistan restrict their operations to non hostile areas. Looking back in history many of these same countries owe the Canadian military a huge dept for freeing them from Nazi Germany. If NATO wants to regret something they should regret their cowardice ! We have more than done our duty , again !


Randy in Winnipeg
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To Anders Fogh Rasmussen , I say TOO BAD, SO SAD. You should be demanding that the other NATO allies ante up their soldiers to do a little more soldiering in the Panjwai rather than cowering in the safe areas and pretending to make a difference. Until then Sir, kindly shut up!


Right said Fred
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Afghanistan has a population of 31 million people. Canada has a population of 32 million people. California has a population of 33 million people. The city of Toronto has more police officers than Canada has COMBAT troops. Isn't it time for Afghanistan to step up and push the taliban out the door by themselves? Isn't it time for NATO to cease being blamed for every civilian casualty? Isn't it time to stop trying to be all things to all people while others sit? At some point, your children leave the nest. At some point we expect Afghanistan people to eradicate the issue themselves. This is no longer a North American issue. The tools are now in place for Afghani's to handle the problem. We've been training them for years now with corrections people, RCMP and military experts. When do they fly from the nest and take care of the problem? Nuff said


Holland revisited
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You'll get over it, NATO.


Fred - Brandon MB
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We've done more than our share. It's time for some of the European countries to step up.


Bob S. Florida, U.S.A.
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Seems to me that the U.S., Canada and Great Briton are the only 3 countries really contributing.

The E.U. sits in their ivory tower and dictates.

Once the mess in Afganistan is over, we should just concern ourselves militarily with our own backyard.

As an American, I'm tired of sending our kids off to die, while the Europeans come in after its all aver to reap the benefits!


bob,calgary,alberta
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I find it interesting that all of the individuals who bellyache and criticize are sitting on their couches in Canada and watching what goes on from the comfort of their living rooms. The people who are carrying the load,our men and women in uniform and their supportive families ,are almost universally positive on the role we are playing. Surely the people in the field know a lot more about what we are doing than people like the Honorable!! Jack Layton who grouse while sipping their Chai Lattes in the local Starbucks. We should stay after 2011 to fight the Talaban/Wahabi terrorsts or we will all end up eventually under Sharia law with no rights and no freedoms. By the way, how dare these bloggers who downplay Canada's military past achievements criticize the part we are playing.




JMB
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"in Canada's best interest"

What part of the oil pipeline, for which Afghanistan was invaded, will Canada own?



GP
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With the exception of Britain, the EU is a military joke. They talk and position and claim the moral high ground but when the going gets tough they are the first to run for cover and hide behind technicalities and political misdirection. The only exceptions are when their solders accidently get caught in the line of fire or a country like the Netherlands yields to its military commanders desire to earn their keep.

I have deployed with EU military in theatres of operation and war, and I know they are well trained and there is the desire by their military leadership to contribute. It is however not deemed to be politically expedient by the governments in power...even if they know it’s the right thing to do. This just tells us that we cannot trust these governments when its “go time”.

Hats off to both the Libs and Cons for having the guts to step up. I am proud to be Canadian!


Politricks
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I doubt this comment will be popular...

But how does being in the Canadian infantry or likewise being a spouse of someone who is, make that person more qualified to have an opinion on this matter then the rest?

Unless you are a mid to high level officer, I doubt the "follow orders dont ask questions" nature of the military made you more aware of big picture, macro level developments in the country.

Sure your experience is legit and telling on an individual level, but that shouldn't form policy. S

Indoctrinating the military to believe in the mission is part of military morale, but SEPERATE from the political policy.

Again, just felt it had to be said.


Aaron Mavie (RCHA ret,)
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Other coutries are not 'hiding'. They are democracies and actually listen to their citizens. their citizens have made it known loud and clear that they think a combat role in Afghanistan is a dead end and not the way to go.

I agree with them...as do the majority of Canadians. Just because Canada is foolish enough to have soldiers killed for a polyanish mission doesn't nean other countries want to see the wasteful deaths of their own soldiers.


Jim in London Ontario
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NATO has to realise that Canada has done its duty Russians tried and failed .It realy does not matter who is there as long as they still grow poppies for the drug trade,Get rid of the drugs then maybe there can be reform.This time the rest of NATO
either puts up or gets out.I am an ex military member and it is time CANADA comes home and lets NATO Bail themself out!!!!


Hondo from Az.
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Bring the troops home as this is a useless venture on the part of Nato. Afghanistan is controlled by Tribes and Sharia law. Western democracy is not wanted.


Mike
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Stuff it, other Nato countries can step upto the plate. Maybe France, Germany could do alot more. Canada for now has given enough. I would like to see our men and women take over a more peacefull role now.


Bob S. Florida, U.S.A.
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I have one more thing to say!

For those of you you feel that you're fighting the U.S.A's battle for us in Afganistan, you need to remember why we are there.

We're there because of what happened on 9/11. And if I remember correctly, there were quite a few Canadians in those 2 buildings!

How soon we forget!


Syd
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When are we going to stop dreaming we are a "World Power" and engage in these activities!!
We do not even have the population of Southern California!!
No country should be sending troops as "their" country! What is the purpose of the UN again????


Proud Canadian
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The man was asked a question and he responded. He didn't ask us to stay, he responded with PRIDE at our contribution.

My concern with Afghanistan as with extremist growth in Africa is more with the "apathetic, no care" attitude of other believers of Islam. If my Christian brothers were bombing innocents and cutting off the head of the "infidels" I would be UP IN ARMS wanting their "medieval or caveman ways" to stop! Peace in the Muslim world needs to come from Muslims! Many thanks to our Canadian forces by sea, land and air!!


Beentheredonethat
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I think the troops could use a little down time, this war has killed, wounded and retired too many of our finest Vets. For the size of our forces the boys have done more than enough. I honestly don't know how the forces have anyone left to send. Guys with 5-6 Tours to the GHAN give me a break! Time to sum up!


Elly
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Canada has done more than its share ! Sing that tune to the rest of the Nato Countries who refuse to go into the dangerous areas.Time for them to step up to the plate and give our noble troops a break!


Tono
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Yeah, because the Americans prefer to have us do the tougher jobs for them. Let's sacrifice our troops when the U.S. has 10X the population and several times the military power that Canada has.

NATO is such a relic of the Cold War. Let's resign.


pete
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NO! NO! NO!

It's time for the EU to step up to the plate. So far only the Dutch have contributed. It's time for countries like France, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Norway & Belgium to step up. And where is Turkey in all this?

Canada, The US and Britain have enough casualties!

There are 28 member states that make up NATO, not just 3.


City Buddha
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Someone please tell me why it is in our best interest to dominate a foreign land that has never and will never likely be a threat to Canada? All the excuses in the world haven't sold me on our purpose over there. Are we there to protect the wishes of big oil companies? Ah? Do your homework.


Debb
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I do not support continuing the mission in Aghanistan.

I do support allowing women and children and refugees to come to Canada. Let the men fight each other.


Tomm, Winnipeg
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Canadian cities need police forces and always will need police forces -- for all eternity. You don't just say...oh Toronto doesn't need police anymore, lets just remove the police and let chaos ensue --- thats how gangs, organized crime, and underground militias take over.

Likewise, some countries have problems maintaining law and order, and also maintaining human rights at the same time, and might need help in this task for decades. We dont just say, oh we are tired of this, we are just abandoning your country to the gangs, tribal warlords, and religious despots. The Soviet occupation and then the Taliban regime both made a mess of Afghanistan. Surely NATO is an improvement. Why are so many people obsessed with abandoning the rest of the world.

NATO had a presence in Germany and Japan for decades after WW II ended, and we made sure democracy was firmly established before we left (but of course there were other strategic reasons as well -- Communist USSR and Communist China being next door to Germany and Japan).
It is so foolish to abandon our current position in Afghanistan, and who knows what kind of potentially hostile government could result (like in Iran,or getting the Taliban all over again). For those who seem to forget, the Taliban supported the attacks on 9/11, they destroyed thousands of antiquities as un-Islamic; woman were covered head to toe in Burkas; music, dancing, television, and even the game of chess were outlawed; people were routinely stoned to death for riddiculous "crimes", for example, female rape victims were killed, homosexuals killed, etc, etc. There still remains a possibility that this kind of regime could happen all over again. We cant just abandon the place.


Katrina
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Canada has done its part. Time to regroup and rebuild our Canadian Forces. No shame in protecting our future abilities.

Kat


Garry in NS
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As a former member of the CF (20 years) and now a civilian for DND, I fully support our mission in Afghanistan but it is time for Old Europe to step up to the plate. If the other NATO nations are not willing to do this, then perhaps we should give serious consideration to pulling out of NATO which is slowly becomming as irrelevant as the UN.


schpid
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Another Matt:
If you look at those current numbers they reflect the troop surge from the US. Those numbers are higher than our CF's fit fighting numbers across the board. Add the Brits and a few other small contributions and there you go. Even the Germans have been redeployed away from their safe areas of responsibility.
The French and Italians are still in the safest sectors.




Marc
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This is too funny for words. Mabe we should put the Nato's new secretarygeneral on the front lines. This would teach him the value of lives.

We've done our part. It's time for the other NATO members to step up to the plate


Vic
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We must withdrawal all our soldiers from a never ending American War.



Tammy from London
said
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I say let Mr. Anders Fogh Rasmussen take part in the Afghan mission and be a soldier out there and then he can come to Canada and let us know his feelings on allowing the spoilers to come home. Why would he want to add more casualties to this long list of already fallen solders.



Trent A SERVING SOLIDER
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Mother Y are you for real? We don't try to peace keep, we train to fight... This not the 60's or 70's all life depend on people who are stronger defending the weaker.. you know like WW1 and WW2, Korea you need to get in to the books...I have been serving for 18 years have done both peace keeping AND AFGANISTAN, and at least I can defend myself with nato unlike united nations... freedom takes fighting some times whether we like it or not ....


BC Conservative
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Initially I supported the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq because of 9/11, but talking to some people who had done some research got me thinking.

The Americans invaded Afghanistan to get Osama bin Laden - but they dropped that mission, and invaded Iraq instead. We then turned our mission from peackeeping to combat in Afghanistan to hold the front liine there.

Why?

Turns out that the invasion was planned before George Bush was elected. 9/11 provided an excuse. Rumsfeld is on record as saying so.

So why did the terrorists destroy buildings? Turns out they want the Americans to remove their troops from Saudi Arabia,(it violates the Koran) and had asked the U.S. to do that several times.
The Americans promised to remove them in 1992. They're still there.

This doesn't excuse the deaths of the people in the buildings- the terrorists should be convicted. But it explains the motives of the terrorists. And those motives cannot be removed from the context of American foreign policy.

So why don't the Americans remove their troops and end terrorism? Because the troops support the Saudi princes, who hold the tap to the oil pipeline hostage. American can't support itself with its own oil. It needs Saudi oil (and Iraqi oil) to support its economy.

So why are Canadian troops dying in Afghanistan? To support a war on terror that really supports American oil industry's profits and American economic interests.

That's why the oil industry funded G.W. Bush's run for the presidency in 2000. Our troops aren't dying for "freedom and democracy" for the Afghan people, as noble as that ideal is.

So all of you who keep shouting "support our troops" just don't get it. Our kids are dying because the Americans need oil, not because they support democracy. Because if they did, why are they supporting the Saudi princes, who are dictators?


R Smith
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Well Mr Secretary General of NATO . This is a new role for you & best to check on the outher NATO countries, all of them, that will not only supply troops, but equipment to food to so much more before Canada will even give thought to your dream.

Our country has given this march out time & that sticks unless something is done very, very soon in our favour not a year or so down the road but right now.


Pat - Ottawa
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Those 45000 other NATO troops going into the South are not Europeans. They are Americans.


Not going to be popular for this:
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I love the military propoganda that you've all fallen for. So many people screaming that soldiers fought for our right to be able to say what we want, and be priviliged enough to live in Canada, yadda yadda yadda.
That's like saying that throwing a rock into Sylan Lake will keep a Tiger away: You don't see any Tiger's around Sylan Lake, but it doesn't mean that the stupid rock you threw in the lake is the reason why.

We've never been subjected to any terrorist attacks or potential for war in Canada and would probably never have been until we put our big noses into the middle of it. Thanks to these so called soldiers, our country is now perceived as a threat around the rest of the world.

A friend from Thailand put it best. We used to love Canadians, until they decided to follow the US into war.


Chris in Kingston
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Newsflash to the stalwart Chretien Liberals out there: PEACEKEEPING IS DEAD! Peacekeeping died when NATO had to go into Bosnia and Kosovo to clean up the UN's mess. With recent world events, we are now required to actually be a military, with weapons and bullets. Peace is made through threat of armed violence, and in most countries this has done well. Talk is nothing without something to back it up. Our troops being deployed overseas will never again have to ask for permission to shoot at someone who is killing civilians (Rwanada/Somalia) or shooting at Canadians (Bosnia). We will stand up for ourselves, just like we stood up at Vimy Ridge.

The Canadian Forces do not need a Vietnam-style blackmark, by pulling out before we're finished. Leaving Afghanistan now spits on the lives of 127 Canadian soldiers, who fight to allow you people to tell them where they should be and what they should do there.


Ryan from Calgary
said
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The effort should be equal among all the countries involved. So far, this has not been the case. This Canadian feels that enough Canadians have spilled their blood over there. It is time for others to step in and carry on.


meerkat's last thought on this
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I am sure Canada, The US and Britain deeply REGRET the fact that there is no political will in many of our NATO allies to contribute to the combat aspect of this mission. DENMARK in particular Mr. Rasmussen.

Our governments, our troops and our families. Our citizens all deeply REGRET the fact that there is no political will in MANY of our NATO allies.

Some allies eh.


Remarkable
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Funny isn't it when you have a European saying that NATO would regret Canada leaving it's combat roll in Afghanistan.

Very, very few European nations other than Britain and Holland have faced combat on a daily basis. If I have missed any others, please forgive me.

The European members of NATO are going to have to come out from their barricades and start baring their fair share of the burden of Combat, other than just being there.


current rcr
said
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A big pet peeve of mine is when people who never put on the uniform or fought a relentless enemy day after day say the word us when refering to the soldiers out there doing the business.unless you wear a uniform of canada stop saying we or us.And to the boys in green reading all this stuff some of these people write,dont pay too much mind to it,unless they have been there they just dont understand,am i right?
Just my two sence.
regards


Philippe Cyr Toronto
said
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Well I have always said that we should be prepared to spend more time in afghanistan as it would be the right thing to do. On some posts people are calling for other NATO coutries too pull there share, well what about Germany's Constitution where it say that German forces can't be used for any aggressive means and can only use force in defense, which is why germany only has basicly supply troops there in Afghanistan. That info is from a friend of mine who is German and understands the politics of the german military deployment. Honestly Canada should stick it out for the long run as it will be benifical to our Military in terms of upgrading our equipment that our forces need now more then ever.


Raymond
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Allan E:

Your 'told you so' attitude smells.

Our troops have carried out a determined, justified mission. They've done it with a pride, professionalism, and patriotism that is glaringly absent from people of your stripe.

It is high time other countries took up the slack.

Layton's banter served only to undermine the mission and the troops AFTER the decision to commit them was made. He brought criticism upon himself.


eddytoronto
said
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Canada Will REMAIN IN AFGHANISTAN..Like it or Not!
In Canada, the Gestapo drops by your home if you plan to protest against the government.

In the flush of bidding for and winning the right to host the Olympics, nobody talked about how staging them might mean limiting civil liberties.

It’s only now, with seven months until the 2010 Winter Games begin, that organizers and compliant politicians are revealing plans to make it more difficult to exercise our fundamental constitutional rights to free speech, peaceful assembly and free expression.

For months now, police have been knocking on the doors of known activists and tracking them down in their neighbourhoods to “chat” about their Olympic protest plans. But that’s only part of it.


James in Ottawa
said
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I agree that NATO and Canada would regret pulling out of Afghanistan too soon if it is not stabilized by 2011.

There has been tremendous work done there by Canadians and we should be so very proud of our contribution to NATO and our allies.


Mike from Toronto
said
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Canadians have sacrificed more than enough, for a country that 99.9% of us will never see, both in terms of lives and in the billions of dollars we put our kids into debt to fund this adventure.


DCR-Toronto
said
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The other NATO countries have done VERY little compared to Canada, the US, and England. To see this baffoon stand there and say Canada should stay while the rest of NATO sits in a tent where it's safe makes me sick. Maybe France, Germany, and a few others should step up and do what they want Canadian soldiers to do.
Typical...the US and Canada had to save them in WWI and WWII, but they can't pull their own weight when the WORLD needs their help. I am furious!!!


David Probst
said
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D.P from Prince George. Pull out tomorrow as far as I'm concerned. A complete waste of time that will go nowhere, but once the boys come back we will be paying more than one bill.


Richard L. Provencher
said
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Canada and its fighting soldiers can hold their heads up high. They have gone beyond the call of duty to protect the people of Afghanistan. The territory the Liberals signed us up for was in the most dangerous part of the country. After all, I read years ago, Khandahar was the religious centre of the Taliban and they would never give up an inch without fighting with every tooth and fingernail. I wonder how often the other allied troops had to rotate their forces, considering the lesser battlefield pressure on them. Many of our soldiers have been back three times. Yes, I am glad we did our share, but time to bring our wonderful fighting men and women back the time Parliament agreed on.


Inga
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Just a bit of info. Denmark has 700 troops all stationed in Helmand. So far 26 has been killed and 40 injured. This from a nation of just approx 5 million inhabitants. Furthermore a recent poll in Denmark shows support for the troops staying in Afghanistan at 62%, arguable I agree the highest support within the EU community. Also, what did you expect the new secretary-general to say - great news, Canada is leaving?


Richard L. Provencher
said
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I discover too many bloggers throw out this "Peacemaker "role" Canada is noted for. Yes they did a great job in that role. But, how many realize that in that role we lost over 100 men and women, killed. How many were killed because they were not allowed to shoot first? Those were the rules of engagement.

Also, my dad donated four years straight and did not come home until WW 11 was finished. He spent two years in England with a massive group of Canadian flyers who helped bomb Germany.

If England had fallen, we would have a much different country today. Thank you to all our Canadian troops for the great job you are doing.


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