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Harper to partake in rare audience with Pope

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Geoff Nixon, CTV.ca News

Date: Friday Jul. 10, 2009 12:25 PM ET

When Prime Minister Stephen Harper meets with Pope Benedict XVI this weekend, it will be a rare opportunity for an audience with the man who leads the billion-strong flock of worldwide Catholics.

But the visit also comes with a set of expectations for those who meet face to face with the 82-year-old Catholic pontiff, and a set of protocols they must follow when meeting with him privately, as the prime minister will do on Saturday morning.

Michael Higgins, a Vatican affairs specialist at St. Thomas University, said a face-to-face visit with Pope Benedict involves following the strict rules of Vatican protocol, which has been developed over centuries.

There are different rules depending on the reason and purpose of the visit, as well as for the type of visitors who will be speaking with the pope.

In Harper's case, he will be visiting the Vatican as the Canadian prime minister, Higgins said, which entails a different protocol than if he were the country's head of state.

"The nature of the visit will define what protocol applies under those circumstances," Higgins told CTV.ca in a recent phone interview from Fredericton.

Harper's first-ever meeting with the pope -- the first for a Canadian prime minister since 2002 -- will come at a time when the pope has visited with several world leaders who took part in the recent G8 summit meeting in nearby L'Aquila, Italy.

"It would be publicly discourteous for a leader not to pay a visit to the head of the Vatican city state," Higgins said, pointing to other G8 leaders, including U.S. President Barack Obama, who will visit the pontiff before the end of the weekend.

For that reason, Harper's visit will be with the pope's role as head of Vatican City, rather than as a spiritual leader, Higgins said.

Father Thomas Rosica, a Toronto-based Vatican watcher, said that the type of private visit that Harper will have with Pope Benedict is typically arranged at least a month in advance.

"Normally, the pope would be up in the mountains right now on vacation," Rosica told CTV.ca in a recent phone interview from Toronto. "But I think he stuck around because he knew all the G8 people were stopping by."

When Harper arrives at the Vatican, he will be expected to dress formally, with a dark suit being a likely choice, Rosica said, and his meeting with Pope Benedict will take place in the pontiff's office.

"It takes place in his formal office, the receiving office," Rosica said. "They would both be seated."

Following a formal greeting, pictures are taken and a gift is generally given to the visiting dignitary -- and usually a reciprocal gift is given to the pope.

So far this week, the pope has received six bottles of wine from Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and a digital video recorder from Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso. It is not known what gift Harper will bring for Pope Benedict.

After the formalities, the prime minister and pope will have a private chat -- and although some aides might be present, the contents of the conversation will not be reported.

The two men will likely chat for between 15 minutes to a half hour, Higgins said, and Pope Benedict might even talk about his prior visits to Canada -- back when the pope was still known as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

"At the end of it, the pope rings the little buzzer that is on his desk, and his assistant comes in and brings in the rest of the people," Rosica said.

Following the private portion of the meeting, there could also be an exchange of speeches between Harper and the pope, in which case, the remarks would be released to the public.

Images of the meeting will be recorded and distributed by the Vatican press office, Rosica said.

It remains to be seen whether Harper will be nervous when meeting the pope, days after being accused of pocketing a communion wafer at a memorial service in New Brunswick - something the prime minister has said did not happen.

On Friday, Harper criticized reporters who ran the "terrible" communion story for being responsible for "a low moment in journalism."

Background on Canada and the Vatican

Harper will be the first Canadian prime minister to visit with Pope Benedict, who became pontiff nearly four years ago.

Paul Martin did not meet with the pope during his tenure as prime minister, though he did attend the funeral of pope John Paul II in April 2005.

While Jean Chretien served as prime minister, he met pope John Paul II on four occasions, in Toronto in July 2002, and at the Vatican in May 1998, June 1996 and July 1994.

Former prime minister Brian Mulroney met with John Paul II at the Vatican in January 1987 and before that in Ottawa in September 1984.

The late prime minister Pierre Trudeau met with pope Paul VI on two occasions at the Vatican, first in January 1969 and again in March 1975. His first meeting with the pope led to Canada opening diplomatic relations with the Vatican, which happened on Oct. 15, 1969.

In Ottawa, the envoy to the Vatican lives in a French chateau worth $14.7 million, recently rated by the Ottawa Business Journal as the second-most expensive diplomatic residence in Canada's capital city.

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eloy from Brampton
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I sincerely hope that the PMO has been thoroughly briefed by a competent staff about the proper protocol! The PMO has to realize that he represents Canada! Be a true statesman MR. HARPER!


Guifre
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Someone should tell the Pope that Harper is in the habit of pocketing communion.


Guppies
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I hope he is not going to be late again.


THE Fatman
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Sure hope the Pope serves crumpets and tea and not wafers and wine!


Red X
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Can we expect Harpo to follow protocol? He has shown in the past to not understand Roman Catholic traditions. Also, he should be held responsible for the things he says rather than blaming staffers for his inappropriate comments...


Rick in NB
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There are two good thing for Harper here. First he gets another photo op. Second whatever screwups he makes for those thirty minutes, can't be reported by the media.


Dale - Edmonton
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Now for a serious scolding from the Pontiff about walking out without eating the Eucharist. Wonder if his holiness will give him a quick pat-down to check his pockets?


Steven Boucher
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As a theologian, I SERIOUSLY hope the PM's office has debriefed him thoroughly on protocal and diplomacy when it comes to meeting with the Holy Father. This is not a beer night on Parliament Hill Stephen it's real stuff now, try not to screw this up as well!


Kevin B
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First four comments = cheap and petty.


guppies
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Just don't understand !

Don't he got any better things to do rather than go to visit the Pope.

That's was great to see the Pope. But should he do it on his spare time and is a business trip and we (Canadian) have to paid for it too.

What the Pope can do for us.
"May the force be with you ?"




Vince Coboconk
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Now this explains everything... See if you can guess what's in my pocket Benedict?


Rod in Alberta
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What a waste of time. This just empowers the Pope to spread his delusions to common Canadians. The last thing I want is this old guy encouraging us to not use condoms and not get vaccinated for cervical cancer.


guppies
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The President of China Hu Jintao skip the G8 meeting and went to China right away to taking care of business in Uyghur crisis.

And our Pm stay and waiting to meet the Pope.

Wow !


bunny
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I am so proud of our PM.At least we are being seen on the world stage as taking part.I remember creepy chretien, and how he made Canada look so mickey mouse.Great news, god bless


David, Mississauga
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First communion and now an audience with the Pope. Is Harper converting to catholicism?


Laura Langstaff
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"First you get down on your knees, fiddle with your rosaries, bow your head with great respect and genuflect, genuflect, genuflect....."

"The Vatican Rag" by Tom Lehrer, it could be protocol tutorial.


Brian in Halifax
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I agree with the first four. Lets see what mistakes he makes this time and who he blames. After all he's just following the president like a trained puppy.


Streel
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"Is that a wafer in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"


Pat
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Will Harper ask about what it was like to be part of hitler's youth to the Pope?


Bill in Ottawa
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Let's hope he pays better attention to protocol this time. This isn't petty its real world leadership and politics we expect from our lacklustre Prime minister. Please Mr Harper prove to us you are capable as a statesman. I don't care if he wins the next election just don't embarrass us in the mean time. And for all those that seem to think he is doing a good job as a statesman take off the conservative coloured glasses this PM is a Faux Pas waiting to happen.


17Biscuits
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What a wide variety of comments on the merits of this visit. Some so strongly in favor and others ... not so. Why does the story of the man, the boy and the donkey come to mind?



Wendy
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Well I guess he has nothing better to do then play hide the wafer & make false acusations on the world stage.
He's just having a super do nothing week.
Good job.


JP in Ottawa
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I wonder if the wafer will come up in there discussions.


pdm
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RARE? There is nothing rare about this meeting. Every Canadian PM from Mulrooney to Trudeau to Chretien has met with the Pope at least twice. It is a simple meeting as the PM is in the district of another governing body.

These 2 should get along great with their discrimanatory views and hard line attitudes. Two peas in a pod if you ask me.


Chris
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Give him a gift from New Brunswick (the communion wafer you have in your suit pocket).


marc32@rogers.com
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Get rid of Dimitri Soudas and the Official Photographer to the Prime Minister...

Mr. Soudas will probably pass on false information to his boss without substantiating and the Photographer will probably miss the photo-op again...

I think his photographer is asleep at the wheel. How can you be late to a photo-op at the G8?


Jim - Alberta
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Pope: Good afternoon Prime Minister Harper, is that a package of wafers in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?


Samual
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Will he ask for forgiveness for the wafer affair?


Gunner
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Didn't take long for all the negative comments to come out. You know what they say if you don't have anything positive to say, don't open your mouth and make yourself look like an arrogant idiot.


RealisticCanadian
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Bunny you could not be further from the truth, Chretien did more for Canada on the international stage in his first term than Harper has done in the entire time he has been in the PMO. Canadian foreign relations are strained so much that Harper did not even attempt to secure Canada a seat on the UN Security Council, knowing that the majority of the world would not want Canada in that seat. As I recall Canada has held this seat about once every ten years, but I guess that was when we had leaders that actually respected international bodies like The UN.


Bill in Ottawa
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@Pat The pope was never a "hitler youth." If your going to make accusations back it up with truth not urban myth nonsense. This sort of myth is up there with the idea the moon landing was faked by NASA.


Richard L. Provencher
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Our PM is doing a great job for Canadians. Most of us are proud of him. A majority for the Conservatives in the next election.


Mike Webster
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Can even one of you idiots going on and on about the wafer non-story provide so much as a single solitary statement from someone who WAS ACTUALLY THERE who saw him do anything other than eat the wafer? So far, every single witness, including a ranking Liberal senator, have said the same thing - he ate the wafer. PERIOD.


Stevie from the Hill
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What will his next gaffe be, for Harper really seems to be on a roll!

I'm taking bets

- Because Harper is late he runs in, trips, and punches the Pope in the back of the head.
- Takes the Lord's name in vein during an attack on Iggy.
- Chokes on the communion because he wasn't told he could chew it.
-All of the above


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