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Date: Thu. Jul. 9 2009 12:09 PM ET

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon is criticizing Group of Eight nations for not going far enough in setting targets to fight climate change, a move that creates a bad example for developing nations.

On Wednesday, the leaders reached an agreement recognizing that average global temperatures should be kept from rising by more than 2 degrees Celsius from preindustrial times.

However, the leaders made no short-term commitments to reach that goal. They also made no firm commitments to help poor countries deal with climate change.

"I sincerely hope and I urge, and I'm going to urge, that the leaders of G8 are responsible to lead this campaign," Ban said. "They should be able to provide financial support, technological support" so that developing countries can mitigate greenhouse gas emissions.

The G8 leaders also agreed that the world's major economies would take "robust" midterm reductions on their way to reducing 80 per cent of heat-trapping carbon emissions by 2050.

Still, despite recommendations from a UN panel, the leaders made no firm targets.

The UN panel had said global emissions must be reduced between 25 per cent and 40 per cent by 2020 to keep average global temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees above preindustrial levels 150 years ago.

Ban said the G8 policies are "not sufficient enough."

"This is the science. We must work according to the science. This is politically and morally imperative and a historic responsibility for the leaders for the future of humanity, even for the future of planet Earth," he said.

John Drexhage, with the International Institute for Sustainable Development, said China and India have a "wait-and-see" attitude towards the G8.

"They're saying 'We've yet to be shown that in fact you can reduce greenhouse gas emissions and still make strong economic progress,'" Drexhage told CTV News Channel.

He said if the G8 can prove it works then China and India come on board quicker.

Trade talks

G8 leaders opened their exclusive club Thursday to five developing economies -- Brazil, China, India, South Africa and Mexico.

In addition to climate change and development aid, global economic growth and international trade were expected to be discussed.

"We reaffirm our commitment to maintain and promote open markets and reject all protectionist measures in trade and investment," according to a draft of the joint statement signed by 17 nations, including the Group of Eight industrialized countries and five key emerging market economies.

The five developing countries, along with special invitee Egypt, say developing countries were hurt by protectionist moves that have occurred during the current economic crisis.

They called for stronger multilateral trading, which they said would play a role in promoting development and reducing poverty.

"We are concerned with the present state of the world economy, which submits the developing countries to an inordinate burden resulting from a crisis they did not initiate," the G5 said in a statement Wednesday.

The final document is to be released later in the day.

With files from The Associated Press

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Don from Ottawa
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While I applaud the G8 leaders' attention to the environment, this talk about limiting global temperature increases to 2 degrees is laughable. With two teenagers I can't even control the thermostat in my own home that well.


Barack
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Sending any money to Africa, has proven to be a waste. You can never defeat the corruption. All the money that has ever been spent, has been stolen. You might as well have put it in a large pile and had a bonfire. Time for Africa to stand on their own, and create their own change.


MJ
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Aid given to any country in the world should be monitored cause nobody knows for real if the money is being well spent on projects for developing and improving the countries situation or is it going in some big shots pocket?


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
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It is good to see the G8 and a few other countries working on problems such as the economic crisis.

I believe our Prime Minister
Harper is right in saying that we need to give the
STIMULUS a chance to work before pumping more money when it may not be needed.

Good advice that the G8 should heed!

Prime Minister Harper appears to be well respected
by the world leaders, this is nice to see!


Lucky_Eddie
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Switzerland should be contributing the money for Africa. After all, most of the trillions donated by other countries over the years has ended up in Swiss bank accounts.


Anthony
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...They said developing countries were hurt by protectionist moves that have occurred during the current economic crisis...
And how about tens if not hundreds of thousands of people now unemployed in North America and Europe, due to cheap, many time of dubious quality products we now have to buy from so called "developing countries", while the very good, traditional companies simply had to close their doors, because of this unrestricted import of crap which is coming at us from China and elsewhere, like a tidal tidal wave ? They do not talk about that !
It has been a one way street for much too long !


A Koster - BC
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How about nobody donate and straighten things up at home first... a little more 'protectionism' here in Canada please.


Canada Goose Whistler
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This is laughable.
Harper definitely doesn't get it. Harper has been lying to us about our economy for along time now. he gives the Canadian public false numbers to encourage spending. Then the real numbers come out. From no deficit at christmas to 155.9 billion is a pretty big lie. People that have gone out & spent only to find themselves unemployed. Because of his many lies I skip over article where he speaks & turn off the volume when he speaks on TV.
It's pointless to listen to his lies anymore.
All the G5 leaders are intelligent enough that they don't listen to him either.
He's an embarrassment to Canada.
he proved hes not a leader by folding to the pressure of the opposition, no one held a gun to his head, he just wanted to hang onto power. He has no interest in the well being of Canadian.
He only cares about his job.


MJ
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Anthony: Thanks for stating what is on my mind. Our manufacturers can't compete with wages at less than a dollar a day! Go to any Dollar Store or Walmart and find something Made in Canada - you CAN'T. We need to support our own workers.


WorldVision supporter in Nova Scotia
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While I agree with the ideal that "we who have so much" should help those who don't,I agree with MJ! Two years ago I listened to 5 different people from 5 different developing nations speak on how the money NEVER get down to where its needed most and government workers drive around in Toyota 4x4s. Continue to give it to progressive organizations like WorldVision (whom Canada does) who make real and longlasting changes in people's lives!! My husband and I have adopted six foster children through them and four of them and their families, villages are now self-sufficient because of WorldVision!!


Stop already
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Could you stop helping the 'developing countries', please?
The more u make them the topic of ur discussion, they less likely they r to help themselves.


Bren
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im wondering how many of the people whining about unemployment and the deficit etc etc still use the self check out lanes at Walmart and home depot etc. All you are doing is poutting more people out of work. I have to say that I fully support PM Harpers economic moves to date.Why do people have such a short memory..every global financial grooup has applauded Canadas moves to date and have said we will lead the way out of the recession. Likewise..the Unemployment figures were as bad or worse under Chretien and Trudeau.


Scott/Hfx.
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Nice photo of Harper and Obama! A picture sometimes better than a thousand words. Obviously these men get along very well, contrary to what many Liberal idealists would try and have us believe. Proud of you Steve!


Rick in NB
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This is confusing. They are going to move away from the gg emission cuts, and shift towards efforts to limit the increase in average temperature. What is the G8 going to do? Turn the thermostat down. Why do i get the picture of a little boy with his finger in a dike.


"CTV #1 FAN"
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Developing countries are like brats who want in the card game provided they can "cheat" using the excuse that they're "new" to the game so they must be allowed to have a "cheating advantage". B.S.!!! If they can't play the game of market trade and rules like "we're" handcuffed to do then they have "no" business getting into the game with the rest of us.

The World Trade Organization needs to hold communist China and the other "piddly-squat" nations to the same rules/standards as they impose on everybody else. "Made in China" has cost the world huge job losses, ruined economies and subjected consumers to toxic and poor quality products that have injured/killed people/pets. The product life of the "so-called" cheaper merchandise is 1/3rd of that of the same product when "we" manufactured it-so in the long run it isn't cheap having to replace 'Made in China" cheap 3 times more in a 5 year span than you did before. And all the junk ends up in the landfills..so where are the environmentalists on "that" issue "Made in China"????

Developing countries had better stop using their "lame" excuse to get away with murder while holding their hands out for more charity while knifing the "G8" in the back with a smirk at the same time. People are wising up to the tricks they have been pulling for too long now and see them for what they "really" are. Leeches and liars!


Niagara George
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Nice picture of Harper and Obama. Obama is doing him the courtesy of looking at him as he speaks. Harper, as usual, is looking for the camera.

The only time Harper does not look at the camera is when he is speaking. Even he feels guilty about some of the lies!


Sean Webb
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WorldVision Supperter in Nova Scotia.
I support providing aid to underdeveloped nations and those who faces famine and natural disasters. However, "adopting" children through agencies like WorldVision doesn't develop their nation. It converts them to Christians. When people are sick and starving you don't show up with bibles and say "See. My god is better than your god. If you ready my bible I'll give you food."
Governments need to help these nations develop their communication systems, healthcare systems and build their economies. The goal is that we respect their culture and help them build a society of their own choosing to help their people. Not bible thumping.


JFC
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Seems ironic that the countries projected to suffer the most from climate change -- the G5 themselves -- are the same who keep saying its the developed World's responsibility to do something first which, however true, is really a cop out. I agree that the developed world needs to take the lead on climate change but sounds like the G5 are now saying they will continue with business as usual for the foreseeable future whatever happens. Everyone knows, incl. the G5 leaders, it is really the poorest who will suffer the most from climate change due to their inability to insulate themselves from the consequences, so this excuse that they need to keep developing to pull their "poor" out of poverty really translates to avoidance of any costs needed to reduce their own CO2 emissions.. costs that their mostly tiny upper class would pay for! The G5 are no different here.. it's corrupt leaders are only protecting the wealth of the few at the expense of their many poor. Global warming will sooner or later impoverish - even starve - their poorest so the G5 argument is mute and based on passing the blame for the situation so that their own people are fooled into thinking the same way thus avoiding the political cost of doing nothing.



Michael
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Canadians should be proud that their Prime Minister is so well received and respected on the world stage. he does us proud despite what the lefties say.

I have to agree 100% with PM Harper when he says give a little more time for the stimulus to take effect otherwise we are just digging a bigger hole to get ourselves out of. Prudent talk from a prudent leader - refreshing for a change!


Niagara George
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Don't blame China, the World Trade Organization or WalMart. Look in the mirror.

The junk from China is here because we buy it. We are far more worried about price than quality or Canadian jobs.

There is a Made in Canada version of every product imported from China. It isn't in the dollar store or WalMart. Shop in a real store and you'll find it.

WalMart lost billions in Germany and finally closed all their stores. Germans simply refused to participate in the destruction of their own economy.

We could do the same!


Johnnie Oil
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I hope all memebers of the G8 stand up to Obama and refuse his cap & trade scam / tax grab! That will destroy his country and we don't need that scam anywhere else, the EU and Australia are scrapping thier Cap & Trade scams as they no it does nothing but make a few people like Gore and the boys from Goldman-Sacs very rich! This 2 degree limit is the best thing I have heard in a long time, as the world is cooling and has been for the past few years it will be easy to meet this "junk science" target without any CO2 tax scam / wealth transfer schemes required!


JFC
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Sean Webb
That's completely false concerning WorldVision
... I have looked into them and they do not attempt to convert recipients of aid to Christianity. If they did I would never have given them money.
As far as other NGOs, like CCF, I cannot speak for and some may well be a front for Christian expansionism? If so I would suspect it is the action of a few within their organization and not any official policy per se.



PBW
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"Brazil, China, India, South Africa and Mexico -- the so-called G5 -- were asked to participate in the G8 summit as invited guests, along with special addition Egypt."

One wonders if, along with the invitation, they were instructed to a) turn up; and b) not be late for any photo ops.




Matt In NS
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Re: Canada Goose Whistler


The only things that are laughable are your comments. I come across them every day, and every day they are a little more ridiculous than the day before. And here you go again spewing out hatred against Mr Harper in the comments section of an article that doesn’t even mention his name. The article doesn't even mention Canada for crying out loud.


As for Harper I can take him or leave him, but you Mr Canada Goose Whistler, have an affection for the liberal party that truly baffles my mind, some days I honestly wonder if you love the reds more than your own kids.....



notapegger
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any reputable scientist knows that climate change is a cash grab. yes we should be more concious of waste and pollutants but don't cry that they are changing our world and causing the temp to rise. our world goes thru heating and cooling cycles. Congrats to Harper for standing up for sanity in being the only G8 leader not being pushed around by climate change nut bags like Al ( i created the internet ) Gore.


Shaun
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Let me get this straight, they're trying to 'control the climate?'
Do these guys think they're gods or something?


WorldVision supporter in N.S.
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WorldVision support from N.S. to Mr. Webb. Thank you for your response however uneducated it may be. Yes WorldVision is a Christian based organization (what's wrong with that I ask?) who send teams of engineers and workers into one village at a time, devote the first year to drilling wells, immediate needs and building trust among untrusting villagers who have seen "our"kind before. The village then makes the rest of the decisions such as which families need help most, begin building infrastructure such as hospitals, schools and community centers by the villagers themselves. In the ensuing five years mine as well as others donations are used to assist each community to reach self-sufficiency. Then the WorldVision team moves to other communities needing help. Please educate yourself at www.WorldVision.ca! By the way our first girl Reni is still Hindu, and Jose is now a carpenter instead of working 12 hrs with his dad cutting sugarcane for next to nothing at 8 years of age for your table. We know because we've visited both.


Kevin in T.O.
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A major part of the change in climate is due to the increased population growth and decreased mortality rates in the 3rd world. The industrialization of developing giants like China and India, who have little to no pollution controls and have not signed Kyoto, is the other key. So instead of focusing on the G8, Mr Moon should be looking for solutions that will actually make a difference.


Mollyf
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Great to see Obama and Harper getting along so well.I think they call one another on a regulsr basis.He did mention that in an interview.Also, in th US, some have great respect for Harper.I think he makes the country look good wherever he goes.He has my vote again, the other amigoes, they can say what they want.They know there will never be a photo of them like this.


jon
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what a joke!! this climate change crap is ment to make people like al gore and oboma rich!!(not me).


Ryan in Burlington
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The Canadian government should stop making donations to 3rd World countries on behalf of the hard working tax payers of THIS country.

If I want to give to a charity, then let it be MY choice who that money goes to. Charity starts at home!

Here is a solution: if the Canadian government wants to give my tax money away, then we should be able to check a box on our tax form as to where we want the government to send it...along with a tax reciept we can claim the following year. Seems fair!

As for the climate change debate, Ban Kai-moon, as well as the rest of the world, don't seem to understand that developed nations contribute A LOT LESS to greenhouse and climate changing pollution than the developing world! China, India, Mexico, etc create more than the developed world, this is fact.

So UN, get off our backs and go back to your corrupt little world. Canada and the US should get out of the UN, plain and simple!


OhC
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To Canada Goose Whistler,

Are you aware of how the world works? You said Harper lied and gave us false numbers to encourage spending....how do you think a recession ends? People need to spend to support the economy and give it a boost! No one has given any real numbers that you can say that they were right. No one has any clue and some have said the economy is turning around but others have said it isn't over yet. We have a deficit but it is needed to keep companies and people employed. Some companies had to go under or have been shut down for now but that happens. Provincial and federal goverments have to carry the blame. In ontario, McGuinty is implementing a harmonized tax to boost more money for the province to take from the taxpayers for more infostructure...hopefully they use it for that and not lining their pockets. You have to pay if you want to keep your job and your family fed. That's just the way it is and you can only blame the americans for having such a mucked up stock market system that allowed things to get where they are and it affected the world. Your comments are laughable and Canada is in the best position for a recovery before anyone else will be.


Wade Ens
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Obama is always sucking up to Harper at these things, he is like a rock star on the world stage.


meerkat
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These "world leaders" don't seem to:

a)understand the urgency of climate change.

or

b)believe that dealing with it, is a hindrance to economic developement.

Either way, there are tough and expensive choices that have to be made. The longer we leave them on the back burner, the more urgent and the more expensive they will become.

Do we love our children & grand children enough NOT TO HOBBLE THEM WITH THESE PROBLEMS? They will face enough problems from this planet in the future. Why make their lives uncertain, only to make ours more convenient?

Think about it.
Please.


annie, ontario
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Throwing money at anything never solved that problem.

Regulations will definitely kill capitalism.


Patrick
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I agree with Koster. With garbage dumps like vancouver and more so toronto in our backyard, lets clean them up first before worrying about others


Red X
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The G8 is a bad example when it comes to Climate Change. Those European countries are going to get flooded when the polar ice cap melts.

Developing countries should be reluctant to do anything that inhibits it's domestic governance...


al in ontario
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This is politically and morally (an) imperative and historic responsibility ... for the future of humanity, even for the future of the planet Earth."


politicians with morals.

that is an axymoron


Paul in Brantford
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Climate change is getting old .

Time to invent a new scam of the public.


Duane Oshawa
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Our leaders perhaps are being touched by reality! global warming is a farce, and has not occured outside the normal cyclical varaitions, that have been historically proven. CO2 is a naturally occuring gas, As canadians are concerned our best scenario would be some warming, instead the world over the last few years has cooled by 2 to 3 degrees, not a good thing for northern countries.

Thank God the politicians have not given in to the scare mongering of the politically motivated UN, and other self serving agencies with vested interest in global warming.

Canada's biggest worry should be, what if this cooling trend continues!!


Roadrobber
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This reduction will not will not occur despite the commitments being made at the G8 Summit. Just imagine if you had to cut your own personal GHG emissions by 80%. What about heating your house in Winter, cooling it in Summer, electrical usage throughout the year and your transportation costs. You would have to get rid of your car, not use AC, unplug everything in your house and just about freeze in winter and you would be lucky to meet the targers. Good luck, people. I'll continue with my life as usual without having to revert to a hunter/gatherer lifestyle. It's either that or panhandle in Toronto. No, I take that back...panhandle in Vancouver. It's warmer there in winter.


Mario - Rockland
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Climate Change?
80% of people cram at the last minute for an exam, that's our history. The same applies to climate change. We will never take anything seriously until it is too late, then we will panic. That's the human way.


Alex (Toronto)
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The Secretary General is right. The G8 countries, of which Canada is the worst, are trying to blame developing countries for a problem the northern countries created and continue to benefit from economically. We are stealing the value of the atmosphere from the world community for short-term economic gain. Developing countries like China just want us to repair the damage we've caused. "Holding them to the same standard" is making them pay again for what we've already taken from them. Most industries have found that greenhouse gas reduction results in improved efficiency, lower costs, and more profit, which is why most countries are meeting their Kyoto targets. Canada's only major problem here is that we continue to coddle and subsidize the Alberta tar sands industry at the expense of everyone who has to live under their cloud of carbon dioxide or anywhere near their toxic tailing ponds.

And we need less protectionism, not more. The lesson we learned from the Depression is that sheltering low-wage jobs drives out good-paying jobs. Protectionism just buys time for our competitors to get ahead of us in technology. It has failed every time it has been tried and it won't work this time either. Developed countries succeed through innovation, not by clinging to outmoded industries and technologies.


Roland Godin
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Sorry Ban Ki-moon we prefer helping developping nations not become polluters like we are...down deep we are really caring.
Numéro-Brunswick


WorldVision Supporter in N.S.
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Yes, Mr. Webb WorldVision is a christian based organization! However, please educate yourself by going to www.worldvision.ca before calling it "bible thumping." They work in entire village for up to 11 years bringing nutrition,healthcare, irrigation,skills and educational training and leave for another community when the villagers have reached self-sufficiency. Our government supports their efforts because they know it works!
Thank you CTV!!


Fred N.
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2 Degrees? Easy target, especially since global temperatures have been going DOWN the last 8 years.


Roger T
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It's called GREED. You want more than what you already have, save while others suffer. No wonder other countries are listening with deaf ears.

It will and will never change, GREED with overpower thoughts or solutions.


Dave, Ottawa
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"This is the science"... actually, Ban, anthropogenic global warming is a theory, who's only evidence comes from flawed computer models.

Just because your IPCC panel, composed of government bureaucrats (not scientists), signed a document does not make it fact.

This AGW nonsense is diverting money and resources away from things that COULD actaully help the planet, namely, cutting REAL pollution - both air and water.


Edb
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Don't recall ELECTING anyone from this despicable "world governing body" Time has long passed to tell these global bandits to sling their hook!
Canada OUT !!


Chris Ottawa
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Who cares!!! WE ARE FREEZING HERE 10 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL!!
CAN'T YOU SEE IT'S A BIG SCAM!!


MikeAwesome00
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The UN Chief says, "I sincerely hope and I urge, and I'm going to urge, that the leaders of G8 are responsible to lead this campaign," Ban said. "They should be able to provide financial support, technological support" so that developing countries can mitigate greenhouse gas emissions."

-Thats what this all about for the UN and devolping nations. While I personally have questins regarding the true human impact of global warming, I do believe that we certainly should reduce our pollution for other, likely more serious reasons, like toxifing our bodies and the such. Groups like Greenpeace, who really do beleieve that humans are real contributors to climate change beleive greenhouse gases should be eliminated for their reasons.

Howver, the more comments and interviews I see from UN officals or those clammering for a carbon trade market, the less I am convinced that those groups are concerned about human or the worlds health. They seem to be primarily concerned about massive transfer of the worlds wealth to other nations or massive corporations.

If the UN wants a climate change plan all can agree to, should they organize it instead of only a group of 8 nations? I thought that was the purpose of the UN.. to debate and gain consenses on ideas, and not have the need for all these different groups trying their own things.


Nancy: Harper making Canada proud
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The embarassment Canada use to endure in the International press under the Liberals is over, Canada is now taken seriously under Harper.


Concern for the Planet
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Harper has never cared about the environment. When Oppostion Leader he said it was a socialist plot. Now in power he does all he can to move any environmental initiatives backwards. We'll go backwards for sure when the planet dries up like an old prune and the number of starving and dying kids in the world continues to grow.


D.W.
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"A man can fail many times, but he isn't failing until he blames someone else."

People blaming China for job loss apparently forgot who caused the recession. Before pointing finger to others, you should look at yourself first.

Paying high price for products made locally doesn’t mean you are paying for high quality; you are probably paying for the greediness of the overpaid workers who is hurting our ability to compete. What special skills make a unionized auto worker worth $78/hour while less paid un-union workers make better cars? Specially they both in North American.

Time to look at ourselves, the so-called political leaders have no guts to deal real issue for long time, they let it slide now the economics rule will deal with them naturally – these unionized companies will be bankrupted and diminished, but time has been wasted since we didn’t use the technology advantage to build up our strength, and now they (China, India) catch up.

Look at the striking garbage workers at Toronto, how about black mail Toronto residents once a while by leaving the garbage uncollected at hot summer? All this is about asking a privilege no one can image – Get paid for the accumulated untaken sick leave. Political leaders, please deal with them in a real way. Let’s privatize them and get rid of the problem forever.





Mandosa
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This 2 degree stuff is simply hilarious beyond words. I sincerely hope that a decade or so from now when we see that the earth really isn't on fire, David Suzuki and the rest of his crackpot friends will be called to account for this foolishness and publicly humiliated. But judging by the liberal left's stranglehold on academia these days, i'm sure the history rewrite will receive enough spin to show they were in fact right all along.


Ryan in Burlington
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To add to my comments...Canada should reduce its foreign aid contributions by at least half and focus that money to domesic aid, ie: to give back to poor Canadians.

Really, what makes more sense, giving tax payer money to another country's poor, or giving the money to our OWN poor population???

This is an absolute joke and I am ashamed of this country trying to better the poor of other countries over the poor of our own country. Patriotism is thrown out the window when Bono is crying at your door begging for your money.

If we help poor Canadians, we will strenghten our country. If you keep giving our hard earned tax money to corrupt foreign countries, they will never try to fix their problems themselves. We have to stop enabling them.

As for global climate change...agreed, people like Gore are making money off this farce and the population is too stupid to realise this. It's a scam to make money. Take the rose colored glasses off people!!!


Dave in Newington
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TO SEAN WEBB

Don't really know where the hell you get you info....mebbe you would like to share it with us all????

I support three children via World Vision, one in Niger,one in Armenia and another in India....

I write to them all frequently and I can assure you that even thought World Vision is a Christian based org. the Bible thumping you claim to know so much about is a total figment of your imagination.

My kid's are Muslim and Hindu....but I suppose you will have something to say about that as well!

But all this is prolly the excuse you need for not helping out some child the other side of the world for the cost of a dozen beer a month

Please...W/V is one of the largest and most effective child aid agencies on the planet....don't bad mouth them unless it's something you can actually document !!


~David #1~
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The "UN" chief....eh???? How about we "ban" Ban Ki-Moon and propel him via earth friendly rocket ship to the "moon". The guy is an idiot!


Felix
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our responsibility must be individually and not expect leaders to come up with solutions while we sit back and watch this world wither off people. when are you going to get the message!


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
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My philosophy is that the United Nations is a bloated self-serving corrupt bureaucracy dominated by tin pot dictators, anti-Western idealogues and Muslim facist
governments. Who would ever want to listen to the Secretary General of such an organization spouting unproven theories about global warming which the lefties and their propoganists have foisted on an unquestioning public. My goodness they are even afraid to call the so called problem "gloibal warming" and now opt for a less threatening description "climate change". Lets call a spade a spade and admit that global warming pacts are simple ploys to rape the Western economies to give wealth to the main supporters of the UN.


Johnnie Oil
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to me all this GW fear mongering is like stomach ulcers, ‘If you’d asked any scientist or doctor 30 years ago where stomach ulcers come from, they would all have given the same answer: obviously it comes from the acid brought on by too much stress. All of them apart from two scientists who were pilloried for their crazy, whacko theory that it was caused by a bacteria. In 2005 they won the Nobel prize. The “consensus” was wrong.’ in short there is NO consensus when REAL science is done which does not describe the GW junk science, it is a tax grab plain and simple


Glenn in Winnipeg
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Cap and Trade explained.

Someone wrote the other day how the Cap and Trade system works, using golf as an analogy. He related .....

I never shoot over par playing a round of golf anymore. Whenever I finish a round, I phone my broker to purchase 'stroke credits' to reduce my score to par.

My broker buys strokes from a kid in Bangladesh, who apparently is a golf sensation. There must be a lot of golf courses there as well.

Anyway by paying $10 a stroke for stroke credits, I always shoot par.

My broker calls me once a day, sometimes twice a day to see if I want to play golf.



Brandon from Ontario
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If you look at the picture with Obama and Harper, it's quite obvious that Harper has no interest in talking with the U.S. President... Harper's only concern is to look at the cameras with his fake smile instead of talking about real international issues with the most powerful man on Earth.


Trudy
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Yeah, instead he pumps millions into the war in Afganistan while problems here at home are more important.


Bill in BC
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The continuing hyperbole being spouted by proponents of the global warming chimera remind me of thirty years ago. For those who don’t remember that time, we were all told that an ice age was imminent (Newsweek April 28, 1975; Science March 1, 1975). I haven’t seen Winnipeg crushed under sheets of ice, but I’m sure they felt cold enough some days.

Now, we are all being preached to that the world is caught up in runaway global warming; that “life as we know it” is coming to an end. This is, of course, bovine excrement in great heaps. “These lurid accounts of a despoiled and poisoned planet accelerating in a headlong rush to doom” are advanced by persons with other agendas and politics at stake (James Hogan, “Kicking the Sacred Cow”, 2004, p. 243). This hijacking and misuse of science is typical among certain political lobby groups and unfortunately there are always scientists willing to pander to them, for whatever reason. I can’t even ascribe dishonest motives to the panderers as everyone, at some point, feels the need to make a difference in the world; but there is always a danger in extending authority in one field to other, unrelated fields. Unfortunately, this is what is happening today.

Proponents of climate change and global warming would have us believe that human influenced changes in the global climate are catastrophic and altering the permanent state of affairs. This is, of course, incorrect; climate is never static but ever-changing and, in fact, the world is cooler now than several hundred years ago-which mirrors the solar sunspot cycle but NOT atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

Without going into great detail, I think we should point out something about atmospheric CO2 that is ignored in the debate: The greenhouse effect is a NATURAL PROCESS! Without the greenhouse effect, to put things in perspective, the Earth would be about 33 degrees Celsius COOLER, meaning permanent ice on the equator.

Now for some numbers. Human activity adds about 30 billion tonnes of CO2 to the atmosphere yearly. This seems like a lot until you realize that nature adds about 1,800 billion tonnes yearly; and deals with the total through the natural functions of the biosphere; meaning that yearly human activity amounts to less than 2% of the total. And, by the way, water vapour has a grater effect on the greenhouse effect and is in atmospheric concentrations 10 times GREATER than CO2. So, which is the greater greenhouse gas and how will you tax that? Also, the rise in CO2 has taken place during a period of cooling NOT an increase in global temperature as some have claimed.

As for the statement that the science of global warming is conclusive; poppycock! The Leipzig Declaration (1995) states there is no “general scientific consensus about the importance of global warming” and “we cannot subscribe to the politically inspired worldview that envisages climate catastrophes and calls for hasty action”. As for U.S. President Clinton’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), the report so gleefully pointed to by the doomsayers is fatally flawed:
a. the majority of signers were NOT climate scientists but political appointees;
b. the report was rewritten AFTER SIGNING to ensure the “correct” output;
c. the IPCC report contains numerous factual-science errors; and most damming
d. Frederick Seitz, former head of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, recorded “this report is not what it appears to be-it is not the version that was approved by the contributing scientists … I have never witnessed a more disturbing corruption of the peer-review process” (Wall Street Journal, 1996).
Furthermore, for a comprehensive review of how the IPCC process was corrupted see Fred Singer’s “The Road from Rio to Kyoto: How Climate Science was Distorted to Support Ideological Objectives” (2000). As well, a survey of climate specialist scientists by the German Metreorologisches Universitat Hamburg and Forschungszentium found that 67% of Canadian, 87% of German, and 97% of American scientists rejected the notion of global warming due to human activity.

And some would have you believe that the science is conclusive!

Some final thoughts: tighten up environmental laws and practices to reduce pollution and I’m onside. Devote more research and resources to clean energy projects and I’m onside. Put some resources into local clean energy production and pollution control and I’m onside. Put more into local food production and clean water projects, I’m onside. Put more into education, local and in traditionally disadvantaged areas and I’m onside. Let the average Canadian do more in these areas and I’m on side. Look at low tech solutions, and I’m onside (just because it’s hi-tech doesn’t make it the right tech. For some excellent older technology that is still suitable see www.lindsaybks.com.)

And most important, stop the fear mongering and distortions to support something that doesn’t exist.



Catwoman 37
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Lucky_ Eddie,

The Swiss have done some contributing aid to
Africa.They have a few campaigns already on the go.

The funds are being used for the reduction of Malaria.

Are you not on facebook?
There is a campaign about it on facebook.



Catwoman 37
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Aid to Africa

USA - Pledged 15 billion to aid poor farmers. The news article was in the NY times yesterday

UK & A few other countries have already pledged money.

In 2005 in Glen Eagles Scotland, Canada made a committment to end poverty by 2015.
We are to reach .7,
Canada cannot keep backing out on its international committments.

It will hurt our country's credibility.

If our credibility suffers, so does our international business and reputation with other countries.





Rick in NB
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Red X,
I wasn't going to comment anymore on this subject. But after reading your post i had to say something. Could you please explain why you only mention European countries getting flooded. Canada as USA are a G8 countries. Guess what,if Europe floods P.E.I to Florida will flood and that just the East Coast.
I agree that the G8 is covering their eyes on climate change, but they are the keepers of the planet. In the end they will have to face the inevitable.


GTA
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Any of the new science shows the temperatures are decreasing. Shortly, the Goraphobic types will be demanding we haul ashes up to the ice covered poles to absorb the suns rays and stop the impending ice age just like in the late 70's. Cooling, warming, and change are occurring all the time, just as it alway has and always will. Can't wait for the next scam to start.


Some lead most are just blind sheep!
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Trying to fight climate change is like trying to fight a forest fire with a water pistol.

YOU CAN'T FIGHT IT !!!!

Climate change is NOT a man made problem. When will these UN spin doctors stop trying to pawn off their 'Glo Bull' Kool Aid?

Climate change is a natural phenom and secondly it isn't warming up it is cooling down. Do your own homework ...search 'Dr. Timothy Ball Canadian Climatologist' and start educating yourself.




bcc sask
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funny how we discredit or somehow believe politicians can only lie. yet Al Gore,the absolute authority on the climate, and a former vice president of the u.s. must be telling the truth. and a side note i wonder how much europe gave north america when it was developing?


Ron in the West
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Enough of this climate change crap. Yes there may be some slight warming going on...but it is a natural cyclical occurence and not caused by human activity. The eco-radicals (scientists included) HAVE GOT THIS WRONG, BUT TO LINE THEIR OWN POCKETS, EGOS, AND FUNDING SUPPORT, THEY PERPETRATE THIS HOAX ON ALL OF US. HOW MANY ECONOMIES DO THEY WANT TO RUIN BEFORE WE FIGHT BACK AGAINST THIS POTENTIAL MONUMENTAL WASTE OF MONEY. And by the way, Africa has been receiving trillions in aid and handouts for years...what have they done with it and where has it got them...more banana republics and dictatorships which simply keep the money or goods for themselves. People, and UN, get real for once.


Eyes wide Open
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Ah the arrogance of so many people on this planet. To think that they could actually stop climate change.....IF it were even happening. This is a cycle that has happened for thousands of years. Wake up and get a grip. Harper was right ten years ago and still is today. It is a schamm to redistribute wealth through carbon credits and taxes. If it were truly a problem, why does it only cost the developed countries to "save the planet". Why not the countries like India and China that are pumping out more carbon than EVER. There is NO logic in climate change. It simply gives people something to believe in...religion anyone??? Fear and guilt...the Al Gore and David Suzuki way.


Levi
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None of AWG computer models predicted a cooling trend at the start of the century (so much for the settled science). So far, their predictions of continuing rising temperature have not come true ... hence, climate change not global warming is the mantra. It's an old marketing ploy; to sell the same defective product under a new name ... hoping that people would buy it.


Ron in the West
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To all you blind supporters of the global warming scam...have you no ability to think for yourselves, or will you always be content to listen only to those who purport it to be true for their own narrow self interests only. You probably supported the Y2K scare mongers too. I'll also bet that you are loonie left liberals...who always get sucked into these things because, and I repeat, you really CANNOT think for yourselves.


Ron in the West
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To Catwoman. It really doesn't matter to me whether or not we have any "credibility" with African nations or any other nations who for all of their history have not been able to manage, govern or conduct themselves into the type of prosperity we have here. Dumping more money down this black hole will be just another waste. If we keep allowing nations to absolve themselves of any responsibility...they won't have any.


John Calgary
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It's a sad but true fact, Africans were much better off fourty or fifty years ago under colonial governments than they are today. I am convinced this is because of the tribal mentality that continues to dominate that continent. Before anyone calls me a racist I must state I'm proud of my Cree heritage but man could I write a book.


Garry in NS
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On the question of assisting African nations, I believe that the former colonial powers (Great Britian, France, Germany, Spain, Belgium, etc.) should step up to the plate and fix the problem they created. It was these colonial powers that carved up Africa with no regard to tribal territories that created the Africa of today. They gave these new nations their independence without any post-independence guidance or assistance. It is time for the former colonial powers to accept the responsibilities for their actions.


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