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Date: Wed. Jul. 15 2009 2:33 PM ET
The Ontario government plans to rev up Ontario drivers' interest in electric cars by offering up to $10,000 in cash incentives to drivers who buy the cars.
Under a plan announced today by Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, drivers will receive rebates of between $4,000 and $10,000 for plug-in hybrid and battery electric vehicles purchased after July 1, 2010.
"They tell me when they roll the first of these off the assembly line, they're going to be expensive relative to the conventional care powered by an internal combustion engine," McGuinty told reporters from a General Motors dealership in Toronto.
"Well, we want to help people buy those first cars; we want to help the early movers."
The province also plans to build public charging facilities at Ontario government and GO Transit parking lots. The province will build further infrastructure for charging electric vehicles through a combination of private sector companies and Ontario's existing electricity utilities.
As well, those driving electric vehicles will receive green licence plates that would allow them to use less-congested carpool lanes (High Occupancy Vehicle, or HOV lanes) until 2015, even if there is only one person in the vehicle.
McGuinty days they are working with other government and corporate partners, such as The University of Toronto and Wal-Mart Canada, to designate priority parking spots for vehicles with green plates.
And, to show its commitment to the new technology, the provincial government will also add 500 electric vehicles to its own Ontario Public Service fleet.
McGuinty says Ontario wants to become a world leader in driving electric cars. As well, he hopes the incentives will help expand the electric vehicle market for manufacturers and create more jobs for Ontarians.
"Our overall target is a pretty ambitious one," he said. "By 2020, we want one out of every 20 cars on the road in Ontario to be an electric vehicle."
The cash incentives will come into effect in July 2010, shortly before the new hybrid-electric Chevrolet Volt is expected to hit the roads, the first of a number of electric vehicles expected to be unveiled in the next few years.
"This will be the most attractive rebate, certainly in North America," McGuinty said. "It may be the most attractive rebate... in the world."
General Motors is planning to price the Volt at about $40,000. It has said that despite its bankruptcy filing, it's committed to keeping the Volt release on schedule.
The Volt will be different from previous electric cars and from gas-electric hybrids currently on the road. Its battery pack will be charged by plugging the car into a typical residential electrical outlet using it specially designed charging cord. No external charging station will be required.
When full charged, the batteries will be able to power the car for about 65 km. After that, a four-cylinder gas engine can drive a generator to extend the Volt's range to about 1,000 kilometres on a single tank of gas.
Toyota is working on a plug-in version of its Prius, and Mini has an electric vehicle that can travel 200 kms on one charge. Mitsubishi is also developing an electric car called the i-MiEV that can travel 120 kms on a single charge.
Toronto-based Zenn Motor Co., which plans to builds electric cars in Canada, was excluded from Ontario's rebate program because its cars have not been deemed safe for highway use. But the company's Catherine Scrimgeour says Zenn plans to launch a highway-capable car by the end of 2009.
"We are developing a highway-capable vehicle, called the cityZenn, with a planned prototype introduction later this year with a full commercial vehicle for 2010, that will be all electric, unlike the Chevy Volt or the Toyota Prius, with an anticipated range of about 400 kilometres and a top speed of 125 kilometres an hour, and will be chargeable in minutes (with a special recharging unit)," Scrimgeour told CTV News Channel.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.
















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LP in Markham
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Show me an electric or a hybrid that can be as useful as a regular gasoline vehicle and I'll be the first to line up to get it.
Time to make reciprocating engined vehicle that are large but that burn hydrogen that is produced by small wind turbines and/or solar panels located at our own homes.
Lets get realistic here and create a real economical method for environmental systems.
BTW, what happens to the batteries (and their cost to replace) in 6-7 years when they stop working?
MIchael
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Will McGuinty and Ontario taxpayers pay me $10k for buying a Prius or Honda Insight? I doubt it!. Will taxpayers be underwriting expensive Lexus hybrids for people who can better afford it?
GM had better stay in bankruptcy if they think anyone is going to pay $40k for a little 'Voltage'. Get serious GM! I don't think taxpayers should be subsidizing GM by giving rebates on an overpriced vehicle.
Once again the Liberals will get it wrong wrong wrong. ARGH! SOooo frustrating. Is there no common sense anymore? Really.
Rhonda
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Ken - Ottawa
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Doug Thornton
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Steve B
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Ottawaman
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CYL
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Roger T
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With the battery lasting 60km and plug in after that cycle, with no gaurantees of the life of the battery and the HIDDEN cost of the replacement of the battery if needed!
Smart consumers think before they buy, foolish ones spend themselves into DEBT.
You choose!
Nick Pirozzoli
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Pete, Burlington
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Attaboy Dalton, Yet another memorable screw up. When do the taxes go up to pay for this one then?
annie, ontario
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I can think of 100s of better ideas for my tax dollars.
cloudbase
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Firstly, the increased burden on the power grid will be quite negligible, and will be easily managed as this technology takes off. You are not 'transferring any burden' to the powerplants. Think of it this way; if you have 30 apples, and someone says "I can give you one orange, and that orange will fill you just as much as your 30 apples and it will taste better." Your response would be "Great! You mean I don't have to carry around 30 apples any more!"
Secondly, hybrid-electics are just as fast as a regular gas car. There is no need for a 'highway car' and a 'city car.' You are losing some power, but that is the basic concept of a trade-off. In the end, you are getting to your destination in the same time, which is why you needed a car to begin with.
And as for the $10K, good on ya' Dalton. Bout time you did something right! This will make someone who is on the cusp of buying these vehicles be able to afford them, whereas in the past it would have been impossible. It is making this technology accessible to more people.
So please, fact check.
Brian in TO
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Cal in Ottawa
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As a taxpayer faced with an increase in payable taxes in Jul 2010 because of McGuinty's brilliantly timed tax harmonisation measure, I am not convinced I should be underwriting this give-away for unproven technology. Just as worthwhile would be giving grants to those who buy fuel efficient clean diesel vehicles.
Tom Hanna
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They are going to lose out on tax money form less fuel being purchased and it would be impossible to levy more taxes on domestic power consumption.
Ontario tossing out money to incourage the purchase of these vehicles, but all that is left is to increase licencing fees on these cars.
I guess I'm really going to have to rely on an inheritance now,
Gordon in Sarnia
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Only a cash rich idiot will spend $40000 on a car.-----to go twice the distance!!
JoeC from St. Thomas, ON
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Ontario will not allow the ZENN electric car to be operated on any city streets in Ontario.
The Ontario Government is willing to use our tax money to get us to purchase a $40,000 American company vehicle, whilst we cannot purchase and drive a PROVEN Canadian company vehicle for under $20,000.
Think about this when you vote in the next Provincial election.
shipvan
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Rich
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For those who are wondering how electric vehicles will be cleaner than gasoline vehicles, there are numerous methods for cleanly generating electricity. However, in the case of the Volt, it has a small gasoline engine that is only used to recharge the batteries when needed. Indeed we will need to think up a better battery that will not be toxic when tossed but I believe we are heading in a better direction.
MotorMichael
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Regarding electricity, the idea here is to recharge at night when we have surplus power because our blessed nuclear power plants can't throttle down enough at night. In the future, hopefully the Ontario grid will be powered entirely by renewable energy. It was before, which is why it was called "Ontario Hydro". The solar panels on my home now produce more power than we use, so it can be done, especially with the New Green Energy Act.
Drive the same old technology cars, and get the same results: pollution, and consumption of finite resources.
Wake up people! We need to start making the changes necessary to get us off fossil fuels.
island girl
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Sherry
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Steve in Montreal
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Also, watch your hydro rates go up accordingly due to "the increased demand".
Steve in Ottawa
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It's a much better idea than giving bailout money to companies still building muscle cars.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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This is your lucky day if you're wound up to buy a grossly overpriced GM product (more junk from a bankrupt company) that requires an environmentally "dirty" Ontario power generation plant to provide its fuel.
Hooray!
John from TO
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MRC in Ontario
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First of all, the Volt is NOT A HYBRID like a Prius. The Volt is an ELECTRIC CAR with an on-board gas-generator to charge the ELECTRIC POWERTRAIN and continue driving seemlessly for hundreds of kilometres: an E-REV (extended-range electric vehicle). To have this advanced technology mass-produced at a sticker price (or any sticker price at all) of $40k is nothing short of incredible! Chevrolet/GM knowing that $40k is a tad steep for your typical Chevy buyer has been working behind the scenes for YEARS talking with electricity companies about electricity demand, pollution, charging networks, etc., including talking with McGuinty (obviously) about rebates...and for McGuinty to announce $10k rebate for electric vehicles---the 1st one ever being the Volt next year---is remarkable, which would bring the Volt down to $30k (the price of a Malibu, Impala, Taurus, Fusion, Camry, Accord, etc.). The lithium-ion batteries are engineered to last 10 years!
When you start seeing families of 4 sitting in Volts on real-life roads not using a drop of gasoline for the first 65km, I hope you will be impressed & stunned. By the way, forget electricity demand, the Volt is one big step towards REDUCING OUR DEPENDENCY ON FOREIGN OIL!!!!
Steve the Pundit
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Meanwhile, the current generation of gasoline-powered small cars generate 95% fewer emissions than vehicles from 30 years ago, providing reasonable economy, versatility, and few, if any compromises. All with no subsidies, thanks to a fully-efficient marketplace.
Until such time as an electric vehicle offers no comprises in performance, versatility, economy and maintainability, color me supremely disinterested. Consumers should ignore the subsidies (and these vehicles) until they become REAL alternatives.
Scene
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Plus pushing electrical consumption will push engineers to create alternative ways to create energy, like solar, wind or biomass. I like LP in Markham's idea of Hydrogen, I still think it's a very clean way to go!
John Montreal
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if quebec seperates the Q. gouvernment vows to put them on the road here. We won't have the canadian law to contend with...
Canada had better smarten up or one day they will just hit the road law on no law.
what about the EV-1 built and run for a number of years in Calif. G.M. stopped that quick ( money in fat cats pockets thought the public would never find out. well there is still one in B.C. that they will never get to scrap.
PS: it goes a lot faster than a Volt.. Volt is a TOY>> Ev-1 was a Buick Skylark.,. big car as far as the 4 cyl wind up cars go.
Volt won't sell well in Quebec the people want their Quebec built car improved and on the road.
Steve Robinson in Calgary
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Sean H. in Ottawa
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"Show me an electric or a hybrid that can be as useful as a regular gasoline vehicle and I'll be the first to line up to get it."
Let me introduce you to the Chevy Volt. Did you read the entire article? Here, let me quote a choice passage:
"When full charged, the batteries will be able to power the car for about 65 km. After that, a four-cylinder gas engine can drive a generator to extend the Volt's range to about 1,000 kilometers on a single tank of gas."
For daily commuters like myself that would mean zero gas used on the daily commute. Even on longer trips when the gas engine does kick in it will have the fuel efficiency of a diesel car.
To those indicating that pollution is being generated elsewhere you need to consider which province you live in when deciding. I live in Ontario.
Hydro-electric: 24%
Coal: 29.5%
Nuclear: 41.5%
Other: 5%
(2003 stats from wikipedia)
The volt will use the same amount of electricity in a year if you charge it daily as a fridge would use in a year. I have reduced my electrical usage in the home drastically with efficient appliances and lighting. So I would have no guilt in giving less money to oil companies and more to local industries like Hydro Ottawa. Electricity is still cheaper and cleaner than gasoline by a long-shot.
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Jodi of London
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All I can say people is check out ZENN.That's who you should buy from and keep an eye on. They have had nothing but roadblocks since day one by u guessed it...the gov't. They are a totally Canadian company and that's where I will put my money.
AnneM
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Samual
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Tax payer should not be spending anymore on these companies.
Never ever will I buy any thing that is made by a union.
Their employees are over paid.
AH in Toronto
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Slavko Miladinovic
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You can all of this set up for $10 000, if you do some of work yourself. Would you like to re-elect Premier Dalton McGuinty for a third term?
Does this news mean Oshawa will be assembling the Chevy Volt as well? Today's news could be Ontario's way of releasing recently privatized General Motors' future plans by creating big incentives now.
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Not sure electric is the way to go. In my view I think we need an alternative source of fuel like hydrogen. Once the infrastructure is set up for it I think the costs will come down. However I honestly think the government needs to control pricing on the alternative fuel source as we have seen what the free market has done to the cost of gas.
Oh ya and for the comment about when do our taxes go up: No need to worry about that as the blending of the sales tax is the biggest tax grab in the history of Ontario so they will have lots of money.
Vickie
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How many of these electric cars can the power grids of Ontario handle? Will the city cars used by politicians be allowed to use the grid as many times as they wish? How much extra will my utility bill cost because I plug in my car? Is it really going to be more economical than a hybrid or a car that can get 800km or more on a tank of gas now?
Too many questions, not enough answers.
Why should anyone who purchases this car be subsidized and those who purchase hybrids not be?
Sounds like another way for the gov't to bail out a company who has gotten way too much already.
Dave in Whitby
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However it is a Good idea in Big Citys where polution is a big issue .
Sean H in Ottawa
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People mention what happens when the battery dies. Just like your cordless drill.
The battery pack is covered by warranty like your gasoline engine is. Just because the warranty is 5 years it doesn't mean the battery/engine will die at the 5 year mark. If your gasoline engine died how much would it cost you to replace?
People mention the pollution the batteries will generate.
The lead-acid batteries in the first couple generations are bad. Just like the batteries sitting out in your car right now.
The next generation of these cars will be using lithium batteries. These are reclaimable and even if put in landfills they wouldn't generate the toxic waste that current batteries do.
You can use a light timer to make it so your car only charges on off-peak hours like the middle of the night.
It's expensive but it's a step in the right direction. Do any of you remember when computers cost $6000? How many of you bought that lead filled piece of equipment? Now the idea of paying $10,000 more for a car that would actually pay for itself over it's lifetime is crazy to you?
DB Cooper
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Common Sense John
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It is a fact that there is more impact on the environment by trashing an old vehicle and manufacturing a new one. The pollution, carbon footprint, and greenhouses gases produced by manufacturing a vehicle far surpasses the amount it can emit in its lifetime of driving.
Seems that the old way of thinking: don't be wasteful ... take care of your stuff ... be content with what you have - that way of thinking still has merit. Let's use some old fashioned common sense and stop wanting handouts at our own expense.
DS in Toronto
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Yes, please, let's continue to subsidize the wealthy while letting the average person (who pays most of the taxes in this country) flounder.
I'd prefer a $3,500 rebate on purchasing a new car for those replacing an old (and therefore less "green") car. This would replace a greater number of gas guzzlers on the roads, and create a much greater demand for new cars.
bob
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Can't wait.
Candu
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Go and buy a Aug./09 Car and Driver magazine, they test several electric only and electric/hybrids. Electric cars are not new, at one point, during the early 1900's, they were a very popular form of car motovation. Have fun reading!
KJ in Kingston Ontario
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BobLoblaw08
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He's probably right, we should just keep giving in to the clowns from the American companies...
James
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Those of us who stay with our "paid for" gasoline powered vehicles can save big time on the decreasing cost of fuel while the greenies are paying off the loans on their new electrics.
Edb
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Daryl
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GIO in BC
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It's like encouraging people to start taking transit or carpooling to work rather than having all these single drivers on the road. Well, where is the incentive to do that? I hear in Calgary that if you take the C-Train (local transit train) you will soon have to pay to park your vehicle in the parking lot and then pay for your transit pass on top of that. You may be happy about yourself for being green but you're broke because of it.
Steve the Pundit
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That settles it; I'm NOT buying one, if for no other reason than to tell the government they have no right to create a favored class of motorist. And I will NOT patronize businesses that hand out preferred parking spots based on the type of car you drive. What next? Mercedes / BMW / Lexus only spots for affluent customers?
Doug BC
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And people in central Canada wonder why the west doesn't want to be ruled by Ontario.
Don't get me wrong.We get plenty of whacko ideas from our premier too.But at least when the brain cramps are close to home,we get a say regaring the issue.This looks like a plan that will see McGuinty running off to Ottawa to get the money to bail it out.
This country is in deep trouble if this is the best we can get from our most heavily populated province.God help us all,PLEASE.We are sinking fast.
Peter
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LP in Markham
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I want a car the size of a Caprice Classic (&0's era) at minimum that can carry several hundred pounds of gear plus the whole family for 10 hours strainght or more. electric will NEVER be able to do that.
local city dring on myown. sure, I'll take one of the motor assist bikes. Love the though. just overpriced for what it is.
Car, I need heavy lift/tow plus carying capacity with unlimited range. Only gasoline and hydrogen will do that and I will not settle for less.
Slavko Miladinovic
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Firstly, you don’t have to have a full battery to run this vehicle.
The electric vehicle (EV) will use the battery for the first 60km then the small gasoline engine will turn on and power the electricity generator (hopefully it will be a magnetic alternator because no one likes to wire wrap [wind] electrical motors, then dip and bake them:) that will in turn provide plenty of power to the electric motor, which will also keep the battery at a 30% charge. It is entirely possible to have a EV sitting in your driveway idling to charge the battery; a really good bonus if it were hydrogen powered, which would be a win-win solution for Canada’s cold winters and the maintenance of clean air.
Chris from Canada
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Take transit you will do beter for the enviroment and your pocketbook.
nidhi
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Are they planning to go Green in electric power generation. If itis truly green then they shoudl only be charging their vehicles at the station powered by solar or windmills.
ronshamess
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Discount $10K
Debt. $30K +++
Good for 60 km then burn gas
Useless for vacations,need 2nd car
this defeats the purpose
Where does the $10K come from?
What is the life of battery?
What is the cost to replace?
Who pays for it-taxpayers.
Off oil is good but there has to be technology out there that answers all our concerns,wait for it.
Anthony
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Kelly
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Yes, here in Calgary people who choose to drive to transit stations have to pay $3 to park there. Some people could walk to their local transit stations, but too many people are addicted to their vehicles. This fee was brought in last March partly to try to cut down on vehicle traffic, but it resulted in complaints like you wouldn't believe (next, drivers will want taxpayers to pay for the fuel to get them to the parking lots). Point is, there is too much traffic and people are hooked on their vehicles, and electric cars will not help this problem. Why pay at least $40,000 for an electric car when transit and walking are far cheaper.
Alam
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Cliff
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bcc sask
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Robin
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whitewolf
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my money going to subsidize someone else buying a new electric car...no way!
Plabo
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Common Sense Marc
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You get 4,000 off (because its the lowest model, you assume it would be the lowest discount).
Thats 10%
Sales tax.
13.5%
So really, its kind of a wash!
Eric
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Ontario Hydro is broken into five seperate companies. Three of which are owned by the Provincial Governement (Hydro One, Ontario Power Generation and OEFC).
McGuinty`s not completely honest about his reasons and intentions.
Curtis
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.60 a gallon to fill up my electric car will be worth the small extra cost up front.
marc common sense
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Most people will charge their car at night.
80% of electricity is generated from clean energy like water dams, nucler, etc. Only the top 20% add on is generated from coal and other dirty ways. During the night we only use 50-60 percent of threshhold. So we have a long ways to go before it becomes a hazard to the environment.
Sam
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Steve
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-Look up what type of batteries are the most toxic. Hint, there is one in just about every car ever made.
-Look up what type of battery is used in a hybrid or expected to be in the Volt.
-Look up the battery warranty (Prius).
-Look up the efficiency of the internal combustion engine vs the technologies used by OPG.
-For those who complained with out reading the article I'll restate; The Volts range of 1000Kms per tank of fuel far exceeds most vehicles. If you are silly enough to run out of gas for the generator you at least have the satisfaction of knowing that you drove by twice as many gas stations as you did 20 years ago.
-Finally it's low speed electric vehicles that are banned in Ontario.
Understanding those issues eliminates most of the negatives expressed here.
Of course there still may be the issue of ugly colours,crappy radio and not enough cup holders, but I can't help you there.
The volt isn't the answer to all our problems but it's a good step. Coming from GM it is a stunning move.
Tom in Toronto
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Why not do this NOW ... electric cars are available in Quebec but can only be sold in the US?
SUPPORT CANADA Dalton... NOT Chevy
Prof. Pye Chartt
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Starting 25 years ago, federal and provincial governments CONSPIRED to avoid funding and constructing adequate roadways to accommodate suburban expansion.
In the wake of this willful neglect, commuters were forced to suffer inordinate travel times across the urban landscape, and enjoy a geometric progression in fuel consumption.
Then our governments collectively CONSPIRED to save us from ourselves with increased taxpayer funding for public transit. As automobile commutes grew worse, public transit was the concocted savior.
Eventually our governments CONSPIRED to convince us that driving a car was a murderous act (killing the planet), and "responsible and caring" citizens must ditch their weapon.
Now, with a taxpayer-funded equity stake in the maker of an EV, our government has CONSPIRED to convince us that a vehicle requiring "dirty" electricity and refined oil (gas) will, again, save us from ourselves.
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Given the MASSIVE economic and environmental cost to society to commute via our urban networks of undersized roads and highways (time/gas/pollution), our government screwed us.
The development of environmentally friendly and fuel-efficient vehicles alongside huge public transit expenditures is an ongoing farce. People still love, and resoundingly prefer, automobiles.
We've long been manipulated by a lack of vision and governmental policy.
Tom in Toronto
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Support CANADA
NOT THE U.S.
SHAME ON YOU McGUINTY!
Marcy
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The ZENN electric car, which is meant to be operated only in the City, (maximum speed 40 kph), has its head office in Toronto Ontario. The car is manufactured in Quebec. It is allowed on the city streets in the Province of Quebec, but the major market of this car is in the United States.
Ontario will not allow the ZENN electric car to be operated on any city streets in Ontario.
The Ontario Government is willing to use our tax money to get us to purchase a $40,000 American company vehicle, whilst we cannot purchase and drive a PROVEN Canadian company vehicle for under $20,000.
Think about this when you vote in the next Provincial election.
Robert Branning
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Dave from Toronto
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