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Date: Wed. Jul. 15 2009 2:33 PM ET

The Ontario government plans to rev up Ontario drivers' interest in electric cars by offering up to $10,000 in cash incentives to drivers who buy the cars.

Under a plan announced today by Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty, drivers will receive rebates of between $4,000 and $10,000 for plug-in hybrid and battery electric vehicles purchased after July 1, 2010.

"They tell me when they roll the first of these off the assembly line, they're going to be expensive relative to the conventional care powered by an internal combustion engine," McGuinty told reporters from a General Motors dealership in Toronto.

"Well, we want to help people buy those first cars; we want to help the early movers."

The province also plans to build public charging facilities at Ontario government and GO Transit parking lots. The province will build further infrastructure for charging electric vehicles through a combination of private sector companies and Ontario's existing electricity utilities.

As well, those driving electric vehicles will receive green licence plates that would allow them to use less-congested carpool lanes (High Occupancy Vehicle, or HOV lanes) until 2015, even if there is only one person in the vehicle.

McGuinty days they are working with other government and corporate partners, such as The University of Toronto and Wal-Mart Canada, to designate priority parking spots for vehicles with green plates.

And, to show its commitment to the new technology, the provincial government will also add 500 electric vehicles to its own Ontario Public Service fleet.

McGuinty says Ontario wants to become a world leader in driving electric cars. As well, he hopes the incentives will help expand the electric vehicle market for manufacturers and create more jobs for Ontarians.

"Our overall target is a pretty ambitious one," he said. "By 2020, we want one out of every 20 cars on the road in Ontario to be an electric vehicle."

The cash incentives will come into effect in July 2010, shortly before the new hybrid-electric Chevrolet Volt is expected to hit the roads, the first of a number of electric vehicles expected to be unveiled in the next few years.

"This will be the most attractive rebate, certainly in North America," McGuinty said. "It may be the most attractive rebate... in the world."

General Motors is planning to price the Volt at about $40,000. It has said that despite its bankruptcy filing, it's committed to keeping the Volt release on schedule.

The Volt will be different from previous electric cars and from gas-electric hybrids currently on the road. Its battery pack will be charged by plugging the car into a typical residential electrical outlet using it specially designed charging cord. No external charging station will be required.

When full charged, the batteries will be able to power the car for about 65 km. After that, a four-cylinder gas engine can drive a generator to extend the Volt's range to about 1,000 kilometres on a single tank of gas.

Toyota is working on a plug-in version of its Prius, and Mini has an electric vehicle that can travel 200 kms on one charge. Mitsubishi is also developing an electric car called the i-MiEV that can travel 120 kms on a single charge.

Toronto-based Zenn Motor Co., which plans to builds electric cars in Canada, was excluded from Ontario's rebate program because its cars have not been deemed safe for highway use. But the company's Catherine Scrimgeour says Zenn plans to launch a highway-capable car by the end of 2009.

"We are developing a highway-capable vehicle, called the cityZenn, with a planned prototype introduction later this year with a full commercial vehicle for 2010, that will be all electric, unlike the Chevy Volt or the Toyota Prius, with an anticipated range of about 400 kilometres and a top speed of 125 kilometres an hour, and will be chargeable in minutes (with a special recharging unit)," Scrimgeour told CTV News Channel.

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LP in Markham
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Great. I can only aford a single vehicle that must be capable of travelling up to 500 km in a single trip with the whole family aboard and I get penalized by not getting help becaues its not enviromentally friendly.

Show me an electric or a hybrid that can be as useful as a regular gasoline vehicle and I'll be the first to line up to get it.

Time to make reciprocating engined vehicle that are large but that burn hydrogen that is produced by small wind turbines and/or solar panels located at our own homes.

Lets get realistic here and create a real economical method for environmental systems.

BTW, what happens to the batteries (and their cost to replace) in 6-7 years when they stop working?


MIchael
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I dont get it. UP TO $10,000?

Will McGuinty and Ontario taxpayers pay me $10k for buying a Prius or Honda Insight? I doubt it!. Will taxpayers be underwriting expensive Lexus hybrids for people who can better afford it?

GM had better stay in bankruptcy if they think anyone is going to pay $40k for a little 'Voltage'. Get serious GM! I don't think taxpayers should be subsidizing GM by giving rebates on an overpriced vehicle.

Once again the Liberals will get it wrong wrong wrong. ARGH! SOooo frustrating. Is there no common sense anymore? Really.




Rhonda
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I don't get it.... plug these cars into our household power outlets to recharge... aren't we being encouraged to save electricity? Isn't one of the big issues in going green to cut back on electricity useage? Pay $30,000 for an electric car (after the govt rebate), speed is maxed at 40 - 50 kph (need a second vehicle for highway driving), plug into electrical power and increase the electrical consumption, and increase our electrical bills ... what will it really cost in the end?


Ken - Ottawa
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Cool. I'm thinking of buying a new car next year and I would love to be able to afford an electric vehicle and "go green".


Doug Thornton
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I don't understand the reasoning behind electric cars. The only difference is the polution is moved from the motor vehicle to the Power Station. We need to be thinking of better methds to power our transportation.


Steve B
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Someone once did a comparison between the gas motor and the electric motor. A concern is the number of batteries, the limited life of the batteries and the disposal of them. At present there is not enough out there to worry about. Later when the electric cars reach tens of millions, there will be a concern. I am all for electric cars. Lets hope we can find a better and more efficient battery to prolong the life and the replacement of them.


Ottawaman
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So how is Ontario planning on powering all of these electric cars? We are told to reduce our power consumption during the hot months, not sure what kind of impact these new electric cars will have.


CYL
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I an interested in one of these Electric cars but are they going to be high-priced ? Then if the electricity runs dead/low, are there power outlets at service stations/stops to recharge. Will there be anything on how much maintenance these cars require.


Roger T
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Incentive from Gov't $10K, debt YOU OWE $30K plus after the add ons, the math isn't right.

With the battery lasting 60km and plug in after that cycle, with no gaurantees of the life of the battery and the HIDDEN cost of the replacement of the battery if needed!


Smart consumers think before they buy, foolish ones spend themselves into DEBT.

You choose!


Nick Pirozzoli
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Thumbs UP!!!


Pete, Burlington
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Here we go, yet more taxpayer money squandered by Dalton McGuinty. Has nobody explained to him the fact that you plug these things in to a grid that is powered by coal fired power stations? Given his other decision not to buy the Darlington nuclear reactors, it will be a long time in Ontario before owning a plug in car can be considered green. And this is before you consider the fact that a Chevy Volt will only go 60 miles before it needs charging! Why not promote clean diesel technology which is what they do in Europe and their emmisions are much lower than ours.

Attaboy Dalton, Yet another memorable screw up. When do the taxes go up to pay for this one then?


annie, ontario
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I'm getting sick and tired of governments lowering my standard of living in the name of "green".

I can think of 100s of better ideas for my tax dollars.


cloudbase
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Wow! There is a lot of rampant misinformation on these boards.

Firstly, the increased burden on the power grid will be quite negligible, and will be easily managed as this technology takes off. You are not 'transferring any burden' to the powerplants. Think of it this way; if you have 30 apples, and someone says "I can give you one orange, and that orange will fill you just as much as your 30 apples and it will taste better." Your response would be "Great! You mean I don't have to carry around 30 apples any more!"

Secondly, hybrid-electics are just as fast as a regular gas car. There is no need for a 'highway car' and a 'city car.' You are losing some power, but that is the basic concept of a trade-off. In the end, you are getting to your destination in the same time, which is why you needed a car to begin with.

And as for the $10K, good on ya' Dalton. Bout time you did something right! This will make someone who is on the cusp of buying these vehicles be able to afford them, whereas in the past it would have been impossible. It is making this technology accessible to more people.

So please, fact check.


Brian in TO
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Hmm, will this offset the Dalton Sales Tax? I think not. "Up To $10 000" which means you'll get $10k off your car purchase if your buddies with McGuinty, and another $10k if you throw in some business cards for him.


Cal in Ottawa
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Let us be clear, it is not the Ontario government offering these rebates, the government does not have any funds. In reality it is the Ontario taxpayer, the source of government funds, that is doing so. Oh, and the lending institutions that are underwriting our growing provincial debt...given we are running a huge budget deficit.

As a taxpayer faced with an increase in payable taxes in Jul 2010 because of McGuinty's brilliantly timed tax harmonisation measure, I am not convinced I should be underwriting this give-away for unproven technology. Just as worthwhile would be giving grants to those who buy fuel efficient clean diesel vehicles.


Tom Hanna
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This is gonna throw the government coffers into a real tail spin.

They are going to lose out on tax money form less fuel being purchased and it would be impossible to levy more taxes on domestic power consumption.

Ontario tossing out money to incourage the purchase of these vehicles, but all that is left is to increase licencing fees on these cars.

I guess I'm really going to have to rely on an inheritance now,


Gordon in Sarnia
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I have had an electric bicycle for over a year. It goes w/o peddling 30km or more. It costs me 30 cents to charge. I paid $350 for it.

Only a cash rich idiot will spend $40000 on a car.-----to go twice the distance!!


JoeC from St. Thomas, ON
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The ZENN electric car, which is meant to be operated only in the City, (maximum speed 40 kph), has its head office in Toronto Ontario. The car is manufactured in Quebec. It is allowed on the city streets in the Province of Quebec, but the major market of this car is in the United States.

Ontario will not allow the ZENN electric car to be operated on any city streets in Ontario.

The Ontario Government is willing to use our tax money to get us to purchase a $40,000 American company vehicle, whilst we cannot purchase and drive a PROVEN Canadian company vehicle for under $20,000.

Think about this when you vote in the next Provincial election.



shipvan
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Ill still be driving my clunker as I won't be able to afford $40,000. How about paying me $5000 for my junker and maybe I can afford something in the mid teens. Makes more sense to pay out this way. Newer cars have better enviro standards and would be willing to buy something a little newer if they paid to scrap my car. Thanks for nothing Dalton


Rich
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Rhonda: If you're talking about the Volt, it can go up 160km/hr. There would be no need to have another vehicle to drive on the highway.

For those who are wondering how electric vehicles will be cleaner than gasoline vehicles, there are numerous methods for cleanly generating electricity. However, in the case of the Volt, it has a small gasoline engine that is only used to recharge the batteries when needed. Indeed we will need to think up a better battery that will not be toxic when tossed but I believe we are heading in a better direction.


MotorMichael
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My 2001 Prius has batteries that are now almost 9 years old (I bought the car in Sept. 2000) and 226,000kms. The car still runs like new, so don't tell me that batteries can't be designed to last.

Regarding electricity, the idea here is to recharge at night when we have surplus power because our blessed nuclear power plants can't throttle down enough at night. In the future, hopefully the Ontario grid will be powered entirely by renewable energy. It was before, which is why it was called "Ontario Hydro". The solar panels on my home now produce more power than we use, so it can be done, especially with the New Green Energy Act.

Drive the same old technology cars, and get the same results: pollution, and consumption of finite resources.

Wake up people! We need to start making the changes necessary to get us off fossil fuels.


island girl
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Any Ontarian buying this car had better research how many cities in how many provinces WON'T allow you to drive it. Despite the report about British Columbia, only a few months ago that our capital, Victoria, allowed electric vehicles on the road and that was only after pressuring the mayor. Apparently each city within each province can be different.


Sherry
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Folks ... do not get sucked into this Sales pitch. 10K looks good now but trust me those cells comprising a battery will fail after a few years. Anyone with a cordless drill, and I mean the expensive ones knows that their battery goes faulty. I fix them and it's usually one or two cells inside that go dead. This will happen to your electric car without a doubt. It's going to cost you a fortune to replace a cell every month or so. Mark my words you'll hear about this more and more as time goes on.


Steve in Montreal
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Although the intent is good, has anyone thought about what will happen to all those spent fuel cells in the upcoming years??

Also, watch your hydro rates go up accordingly due to "the increased demand".


Steve in Ottawa
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It's a good gesture. Electric car technology is young and the only way for it to mature is for it to hit the streets. This will help.

It's a much better idea than giving bailout money to companies still building muscle cars.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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EXCITING NEWS FOR THE BONEHEADS!

This is your lucky day if you're wound up to buy a grossly overpriced GM product (more junk from a bankrupt company) that requires an environmentally "dirty" Ontario power generation plant to provide its fuel.

Hooray!


John from TO
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I dont see why people will want these cars in the future. Sure it seems like a good idea, but its just another greenwashing idea. So its cheaper to power an electric car than it is to put gas in.. With Dalton Mcguintys new energy plan, he is replacing our coal fired power plants with natural gas burning power plants. Experts have repeatedly warned Mcguinty that this will double if not triple the price of power in Ontario. He has ignored this warning many times and is still going forward with it. So once the power becomes quite expensive, will it really be worth it?


MRC in Ontario
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It's amazing to read how the average person is still ignorant about electric vehicles and, specifically, the Chevrolet Volt. Please allow me to help...

First of all, the Volt is NOT A HYBRID like a Prius. The Volt is an ELECTRIC CAR with an on-board gas-generator to charge the ELECTRIC POWERTRAIN and continue driving seemlessly for hundreds of kilometres: an E-REV (extended-range electric vehicle). To have this advanced technology mass-produced at a sticker price (or any sticker price at all) of $40k is nothing short of incredible! Chevrolet/GM knowing that $40k is a tad steep for your typical Chevy buyer has been working behind the scenes for YEARS talking with electricity companies about electricity demand, pollution, charging networks, etc., including talking with McGuinty (obviously) about rebates...and for McGuinty to announce $10k rebate for electric vehicles---the 1st one ever being the Volt next year---is remarkable, which would bring the Volt down to $30k (the price of a Malibu, Impala, Taurus, Fusion, Camry, Accord, etc.). The lithium-ion batteries are engineered to last 10 years!

When you start seeing families of 4 sitting in Volts on real-life roads not using a drop of gasoline for the first 65km, I hope you will be impressed & stunned. By the way, forget electricity demand, the Volt is one big step towards REDUCING OUR DEPENDENCY ON FOREIGN OIL!!!!


Steve the Pundit
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Once again the government is distorting market economics in the quest for "green solutions" that are not ready for prime time. And, as previously mentioned, these vehicles are at best "emissions neutral", since the power plants will create emissions in order to generate the electricity to power these clunkers.

Meanwhile, the current generation of gasoline-powered small cars generate 95% fewer emissions than vehicles from 30 years ago, providing reasonable economy, versatility, and few, if any compromises. All with no subsidies, thanks to a fully-efficient marketplace.

Until such time as an electric vehicle offers no comprises in performance, versatility, economy and maintainability, color me supremely disinterested. Consumers should ignore the subsidies (and these vehicles) until they become REAL alternatives.


Scene
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Ok I understand a lot of people's concern about this, however you have to look at it this way, it's the first step, it probably won't be the most successful one, but it's the first step to a chain reaction hopefully.

Plus pushing electrical consumption will push engineers to create alternative ways to create energy, like solar, wind or biomass. I like LP in Markham's idea of Hydrogen, I still think it's a very clean way to go!


John Montreal
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electric cars are already being built for a number of years, they're sold all over the world.. its the bloody gouvernments that have been the problem. the one in Quebec is not allowed on the Canadian roads, the ones in B.C. are not either.

if quebec seperates the Q. gouvernment vows to put them on the road here. We won't have the canadian law to contend with...

Canada had better smarten up or one day they will just hit the road law on no law.

what about the EV-1 built and run for a number of years in Calif. G.M. stopped that quick ( money in fat cats pockets thought the public would never find out. well there is still one in B.C. that they will never get to scrap.

PS: it goes a lot faster than a Volt.. Volt is a TOY>> Ev-1 was a Buick Skylark.,. big car as far as the 4 cyl wind up cars go.

Volt won't sell well in Quebec the people want their Quebec built car improved and on the road.

Steve Robinson in Calgary
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If you buy a hybrid, you better put aside $6000-$8000 for a new battery. If you plan to sell it before it needs a battery, be prepared to accept very little money for it.


Sean H. in Ottawa
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LP in Markham:

"Show me an electric or a hybrid that can be as useful as a regular gasoline vehicle and I'll be the first to line up to get it."

Let me introduce you to the Chevy Volt. Did you read the entire article? Here, let me quote a choice passage:

"When full charged, the batteries will be able to power the car for about 65 km. After that, a four-cylinder gas engine can drive a generator to extend the Volt's range to about 1,000 kilometers on a single tank of gas."

For daily commuters like myself that would mean zero gas used on the daily commute. Even on longer trips when the gas engine does kick in it will have the fuel efficiency of a diesel car.

To those indicating that pollution is being generated elsewhere you need to consider which province you live in when deciding. I live in Ontario.

Hydro-electric: 24%

Coal: 29.5%

Nuclear: 41.5%

Other: 5%

(2003 stats from wikipedia)

The volt will use the same amount of electricity in a year if you charge it daily as a fridge would use in a year. I have reduced my electrical usage in the home drastically with efficient appliances and lighting. So I would have no guilt in giving less money to oil companies and more to local industries like Hydro Ottawa. Electricity is still cheaper and cleaner than gasoline by a long-shot.


haywood
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5 years ago I built an electric 86 Mazda p/u. I drove it steady to work for 2 1/2 years, its range was 70 km. It would do 80mph (for an hour), it would take 8 hours for a full charge, it was a144Volt system. There were no incentives from anyone, as is mostly today, for DIY's. It cost me $11K to build. Air Care in BC still sent me an air care letter every year for a testing. A $40K electric car is not going to sell, mark that on the wall, for future reference.


Jodi of London
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I will not buy GM...ever. I don't care if they have the best electric cars on the planet. You can't even give me one to drive for free. I will not advertise for them. Ever! So they should just stay in bankruptcy. I am sure many, many Canadians feel the same.

All I can say people is check out ZENN.That's who you should buy from and keep an eye on. They have had nothing but roadblocks since day one by u guessed it...the gov't. They are a totally Canadian company and that's where I will put my money.


AnneM
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Glad I don't live in Ontario, I don't want to help someone else buy a fancy car. That province sure must have lots of money to throw around. Hey, I'm green; I ditched my car in 2002, since then I walk and take transit - where's my $10,000?


Samual
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Were already paying welfare to this company.
Tax payer should not be spending anymore on these companies.
Never ever will I buy any thing that is made by a union.
Their employees are over paid.


AH in Toronto
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I understand trying to be more environmentally friendly... But why don't we just charge a pollution fee in the cities for any large gas-guzzling vehicles, like London has done. If you're not fuel efficient you have to pay!


Slavko Miladinovic
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This is good news from the province, a $10 000 incentive to purchase a real electric vehicle (EV). Canadian Tire’s wind turbines will be selling like crazy, or any thin skin or walk-on 200watt solar panels. Have an extra at home fixed stationary battery charging while the car is on the road and you can harness a lot of free energy without tapping into the provinces electrical grid when you get home, trust me. If that is not enough electricity for you then you can create your own zero carbon electricity from an at home electricity generator that uses water as its source of energy. All of this technology is currently in use. You can also power your house with this set up continuously, if you have the right stainless steel mufflers.

You can all of this set up for $10 000, if you do some of work yourself. Would you like to re-elect Premier Dalton McGuinty for a third term?

Does this news mean Oshawa will be assembling the Chevy Volt as well? Today's news could be Ontario's way of releasing recently privatized General Motors' future plans by creating big incentives now.


Gregory d
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Hey everyone

Not sure electric is the way to go. In my view I think we need an alternative source of fuel like hydrogen. Once the infrastructure is set up for it I think the costs will come down. However I honestly think the government needs to control pricing on the alternative fuel source as we have seen what the free market has done to the cost of gas.

Oh ya and for the comment about when do our taxes go up: No need to worry about that as the blending of the sales tax is the biggest tax grab in the history of Ontario so they will have lots of money.


Vickie
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I would think that Ontario would not want electric cars being plugged in especially during the summer. As it is in major cities there are peek electrical hours where they wish people to not use electricity. Remember the blackouts and brown outs in Ontario because the grid is over used. If I am plugging in a car wich is essential am I going to be told I can only plug it in during certain hours. Why pay 40k for something that you may not be able to use when required.

How many of these electric cars can the power grids of Ontario handle? Will the city cars used by politicians be allowed to use the grid as many times as they wish? How much extra will my utility bill cost because I plug in my car? Is it really going to be more economical than a hybrid or a car that can get 800km or more on a tank of gas now?

Too many questions, not enough answers.

Why should anyone who purchases this car be subsidized and those who purchase hybrids not be?

Sounds like another way for the gov't to bail out a company who has gotten way too much already.


Dave in Whitby
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I am not sure why these Cars are so Expensive . I feel the Hybrids are they way to go now to keep Gas prices reasonable . I think the main concern most people have with Electric cars is how long the battery's last and how much it cost to replace the Motors Battery ?

However it is a Good idea in Big Citys where polution is a big issue .


Sean H in Ottawa
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Another issue being talked about is the battery.

People mention what happens when the battery dies. Just like your cordless drill.

The battery pack is covered by warranty like your gasoline engine is. Just because the warranty is 5 years it doesn't mean the battery/engine will die at the 5 year mark. If your gasoline engine died how much would it cost you to replace?

People mention the pollution the batteries will generate.

The lead-acid batteries in the first couple generations are bad. Just like the batteries sitting out in your car right now.

The next generation of these cars will be using lithium batteries. These are reclaimable and even if put in landfills they wouldn't generate the toxic waste that current batteries do.

You can use a light timer to make it so your car only charges on off-peak hours like the middle of the night.

It's expensive but it's a step in the right direction. Do any of you remember when computers cost $6000? How many of you bought that lead filled piece of equipment? Now the idea of paying $10,000 more for a car that would actually pay for itself over it's lifetime is crazy to you?


DB Cooper
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Never mind the misinformation about electric cars, this is a misguided incentive to buy a GM product. No other vehicle manufacturer has an electric vehicle on the market, so this the Ontario government's way of singling out GM for a government grant. I'm glad I don't live in Ontario, I would be absolutely livid about paying 25% of the cost of a new car for someone else when I can't afford to buy a new car for myself.


Common Sense John
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Keep your old vehicle as long as you can.

It is a fact that there is more impact on the environment by trashing an old vehicle and manufacturing a new one. The pollution, carbon footprint, and greenhouses gases produced by manufacturing a vehicle far surpasses the amount it can emit in its lifetime of driving.

Seems that the old way of thinking: don't be wasteful ... take care of your stuff ... be content with what you have - that way of thinking still has merit. Let's use some old fashioned common sense and stop wanting handouts at our own expense.


DS in Toronto
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I'm in the market for a new car, and even with the $10k rebate I STILL won't be able to afford a Volt. I also live in a condo, so I have no place to charge a battery.

Yes, please, let's continue to subsidize the wealthy while letting the average person (who pays most of the taxes in this country) flounder.

I'd prefer a $3,500 rebate on purchasing a new car for those replacing an old (and therefore less "green") car. This would replace a greater number of gas guzzlers on the roads, and create a much greater demand for new cars.


bob
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How is the government going to recover the road tax on electric cars? In the US there have been proposals to require GPS tracking to charge per mile. This means all roads,even your driveway, would become gov. toll roads.
Can't wait.


Candu
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Wow, not a lot of informed automotive people on this site. The Chevy Volt is just but one example of a plug-in hybrid car that will be available soon. There are more coming from Nissan, Toyota (plug-in Prius), Chyrsler/Fiat, as well as some independant entrepeneurs (Tesla, Fisker).

Go and buy a Aug./09 Car and Driver magazine, they test several electric only and electric/hybrids. Electric cars are not new, at one point, during the early 1900's, they were a very popular form of car motovation. Have fun reading!


KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Will this government ever learn that you do more harm than good by these expensive schemes that don't make any economic or environmental sense. But I guess they need some place to spend that harmonized GST tax revenue. Any objective look at electric cars will show the environmental aspects are at best marginal -- and at worst contrary to goals. BTW: how many new power plants did they want to build...?


BobLoblaw08
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So basically, Dalton McGuinty supports electric cars as long as they're not Ontario-designed. It would be far too wise for him to support a company like ZENN - we might become industry leaders or something terrible like that!

He's probably right, we should just keep giving in to the clowns from the American companies...


James
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If enough people buy these electic cars, that would drive the price of gasoline down due to decreased demand.

Those of us who stay with our "paid for" gasoline powered vehicles can save big time on the decreasing cost of fuel while the greenies are paying off the loans on their new electrics.



Edb
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You gotta be kidding. 40K for something that(like all cars) will DEPRECIATE the moment it leaves the lot. Not once have I heard a politician admit to the public that the WORST investment anyone could make is a new vehicle. Quit pretending to save the planet and admit that North America has been making overpriced crap for the past 30 years. Keep your lousy 10K and stop trying to legislate people into buying cars they can't afford!


Daryl
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Doesn't anybody wonder where electricity comes from? Dirty coal fired plants, natural gas and nuclear...producing electricity with coal fired plants essentially makes the electric car even less green than a gas car. How much energy is being consumed producing batteries every x number of years?



GIO in BC
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If you want people to go green you have to give them an incentive. $10,000 back on an already over-priced vehicle of $40,000 doesn't cut it because $30,000 is still too much money and doesn't make it available or appealing to the majority.

It's like encouraging people to start taking transit or carpooling to work rather than having all these single drivers on the road. Well, where is the incentive to do that? I hear in Calgary that if you take the C-Train (local transit train) you will soon have to pay to park your vehicle in the parking lot and then pay for your transit pass on top of that. You may be happy about yourself for being green but you're broke because of it.


Steve the Pundit
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What, pray tell, does giving out green licence plates, preferred access to HOV lanes / parking spots and charging stations at GO stations have to do with reducing emissions? This just shows that the "technology" behind electric cars is not sufficiently developed that, in order to encourage buyers, they have to "stack the deck" with artificially-created benefits. I look forward to these policies being challenged in the courts as discriminatory.

That settles it; I'm NOT buying one, if for no other reason than to tell the government they have no right to create a favored class of motorist. And I will NOT patronize businesses that hand out preferred parking spots based on the type of car you drive. What next? Mercedes / BMW / Lexus only spots for affluent customers?


Doug BC
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"Cal in Ottawa" is right o the money.In this example.ALL the taxpayers in Ontario will pay higher taxes so SOME people can buy new cars.And really,these are cars with technology that is unproven,and which will offer very questionable benefits to the environment.All at a time when I keep hearing that Ontario is facing hard times.Or is the news we get out here on the wet coast being skewed.Surely there is a way we can blame Stephen Harper for this.

And people in central Canada wonder why the west doesn't want to be ruled by Ontario.

Don't get me wrong.We get plenty of whacko ideas from our premier too.But at least when the brain cramps are close to home,we get a say regaring the issue.This looks like a plan that will see McGuinty running off to Ottawa to get the money to bail it out.
This country is in deep trouble if this is the best we can get from our most heavily populated province.God help us all,PLEASE.We are sinking fast.


Peter
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Good sign. The future is quite clear: electrical cars! We are not allowed to drive more than 100 km.h anyways, so I believe in the near fure that is not a problem for the electrical cars.



LP in Markham
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The Volt does NOT carry 7 people AND their gear like a minivan does.

I want a car the size of a Caprice Classic (&0's era) at minimum that can carry several hundred pounds of gear plus the whole family for 10 hours strainght or more. electric will NEVER be able to do that.

local city dring on myown. sure, I'll take one of the motor assist bikes. Love the though. just overpriced for what it is.

Car, I need heavy lift/tow plus carying capacity with unlimited range. Only gasoline and hydrogen will do that and I will not settle for less.


Slavko Miladinovic
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Lots of question about the Chevy Volt I read.

Firstly, you don’t have to have a full battery to run this vehicle.

The electric vehicle (EV) will use the battery for the first 60km then the small gasoline engine will turn on and power the electricity generator (hopefully it will be a magnetic alternator because no one likes to wire wrap [wind] electrical motors, then dip and bake them:) that will in turn provide plenty of power to the electric motor, which will also keep the battery at a 30% charge. It is entirely possible to have a EV sitting in your driveway idling to charge the battery; a really good bonus if it were hydrogen powered, which would be a win-win solution for Canada’s cold winters and the maintenance of clean air.



Chris from Canada
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Here is the government, the automakers and the oil companies sticking it to the public once again. GM killed the EV-1 (Electric Vehicle) in California. Everyone should check this out on the internet. All the cars were only leased out then shredded at the end of the lease, the battery manufacturer was bought by GM and sold out to an oil company that terminated the battery and the California government resinded the emission laws after GM's distruction of the EV-1. Toyota had a similar car which the also making also.

Take transit you will do beter for the enviroment and your pocketbook.


nidhi
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Why should I pay for other get get a electric car (ofcourse I am paying as its tax payers money) when I know that we might have power shortage...we are already at bottleneck.

Are they planning to go Green in electric power generation. If itis truly green then they shoudl only be charging their vehicles at the station powered by solar or windmills.


ronshamess
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Spend $40K

Discount $10K

Debt. $30K +++

Good for 60 km then burn gas

Useless for vacations,need 2nd car
this defeats the purpose
Where does the $10K come from?
What is the life of battery?
What is the cost to replace?
Who pays for it-taxpayers.
Off oil is good but there has to be technology out there that answers all our concerns,wait for it.


Anthony
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Actually the last thing I heard about electric cars is that the are banned from the highways in Ontario.How does that work?


Kelly
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To GIO in BC:

Yes, here in Calgary people who choose to drive to transit stations have to pay $3 to park there. Some people could walk to their local transit stations, but too many people are addicted to their vehicles. This fee was brought in last March partly to try to cut down on vehicle traffic, but it resulted in complaints like you wouldn't believe (next, drivers will want taxpayers to pay for the fuel to get them to the parking lots). Point is, there is too much traffic and people are hooked on their vehicles, and electric cars will not help this problem. Why pay at least $40,000 for an electric car when transit and walking are far cheaper.


Alam
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If we analyze - the buyers of these expensive electric cars would be the rich segment of the society. And you know what who will be paying these hefty rebates – the low earning tax payers. This is just another way of ripping hard earn money from pockets of the poor into the rich man’s wallets.


Cliff
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Graet! Now the makers of electric cars will raise prices to increase thweir profits and the poor old taxpayers will be on the hook for larger taxes. Can't these idiots in government think of anything but spending our money?


bcc sask
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the taxpayer should be entitled to complete disclosure of the manufacturing costs and the profit margin of any company product the will be subsidized by tax incentives.


Robin
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I have to drive 40 km to work and 40 km back home. How can I buy a car that only goes 65 km on a charge? Not practical for long distance commuters.


whitewolf
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and to add insult to injury they are going to allow electrics in the preferred lane with only one driver when everyone else has to have more than one person in a car to qualify

my money going to subsidize someone else buying a new electric car...no way!


Plabo
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Is this $10k rebate tax free? If not, the government will take back fair chunk when the tax man comes around the following year.



Common Sense Marc
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Ok, the colbolt sells for 40,000.

You get 4,000 off (because its the lowest model, you assume it would be the lowest discount).

Thats 10%

Sales tax.
13.5%

So really, its kind of a wash!




Eric
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They`re NOT doing this for the environement! They`re doing it to generate revenues from consummer electical consumption.

Ontario Hydro is broken into five seperate companies. Three of which are owned by the Provincial Governement (Hydro One, Ontario Power Generation and OEFC).

McGuinty`s not completely honest about his reasons and intentions.


Curtis
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Finally this is great! it creates a clean market for new cars built in Canada and gets us off of Alberta's dirty oil.

.60 a gallon to fill up my electric car will be worth the small extra cost up front.


marc common sense
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Societies all across north america are told to reduce electricity. However, we really only need to reduce the power during the day. In the evening and over night, we have an abudence of electricity.

Most people will charge their car at night.

80% of electricity is generated from clean energy like water dams, nucler, etc. Only the top 20% add on is generated from coal and other dirty ways. During the night we only use 50-60 percent of threshhold. So we have a long ways to go before it becomes a hazard to the environment.




Sam
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Doug Thornton, the process of producing gasoline is extremely environmentally unfriendly from the oil wells to delivering the crude oil to refining to delivering the gasoline. When you use gasoline as an energy source, it is also environmentally unfriendly. We get this double hit on the environment when driving gasoline powered cars. Yes, the process of producing electricity is environmentally unfriendly but it is the lesser or the two evils PLUS you do not pollute when you use electricity as energy source to run your car.


Steve
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The biggest obstacle this program faces is ignorance. To that end;
-Look up what type of batteries are the most toxic. Hint, there is one in just about every car ever made.
-Look up what type of battery is used in a hybrid or expected to be in the Volt.
-Look up the battery warranty (Prius).
-Look up the efficiency of the internal combustion engine vs the technologies used by OPG.
-For those who complained with out reading the article I'll restate; The Volts range of 1000Kms per tank of fuel far exceeds most vehicles. If you are silly enough to run out of gas for the generator you at least have the satisfaction of knowing that you drove by twice as many gas stations as you did 20 years ago.
-Finally it's low speed electric vehicles that are banned in Ontario.
Understanding those issues eliminates most of the negatives expressed here.
Of course there still may be the issue of ugly colours,crappy radio and not enough cup holders, but I can't help you there.
The volt isn't the answer to all our problems but it's a good step. Coming from GM it is a stunning move.


Tom in Toronto
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I don't get it...

Why not do this NOW ... electric cars are available in Quebec but can only be sold in the US?

SUPPORT CANADA Dalton... NOT Chevy


Prof. Pye Chartt
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HERE'S A CONSPIRACY (THEORY)...

Starting 25 years ago, federal and provincial governments CONSPIRED to avoid funding and constructing adequate roadways to accommodate suburban expansion.

In the wake of this willful neglect, commuters were forced to suffer inordinate travel times across the urban landscape, and enjoy a geometric progression in fuel consumption.

Then our governments collectively CONSPIRED to save us from ourselves with increased taxpayer funding for public transit. As automobile commutes grew worse, public transit was the concocted savior.

Eventually our governments CONSPIRED to convince us that driving a car was a murderous act (killing the planet), and "responsible and caring" citizens must ditch their weapon.

Now, with a taxpayer-funded equity stake in the maker of an EV, our government has CONSPIRED to convince us that a vehicle requiring "dirty" electricity and refined oil (gas) will, again, save us from ourselves.

--------------

Given the MASSIVE economic and environmental cost to society to commute via our urban networks of undersized roads and highways (time/gas/pollution), our government screwed us.

The development of environmentally friendly and fuel-efficient vehicles alongside huge public transit expenditures is an ongoing farce. People still love, and resoundingly prefer, automobiles.

We've long been manipulated by a lack of vision and governmental policy.


Tom in Toronto
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All I have to say is ZENN - look it up!

Support CANADA

NOT THE U.S.

SHAME ON YOU McGUINTY!


Marcy
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this is worth repeating:

The ZENN electric car, which is meant to be operated only in the City, (maximum speed 40 kph), has its head office in Toronto Ontario. The car is manufactured in Quebec. It is allowed on the city streets in the Province of Quebec, but the major market of this car is in the United States.

Ontario will not allow the ZENN electric car to be operated on any city streets in Ontario.

The Ontario Government is willing to use our tax money to get us to purchase a $40,000 American company vehicle, whilst we cannot purchase and drive a PROVEN Canadian company vehicle for under $20,000.

Think about this when you vote in the next Provincial election.


Robert Branning
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Incentive is great but the prices should be a lot lower this is another rip off by GM. If you make a small electric truck with input connections for solar panels and wind turbines to be added later you could increase mileage by several hundred miles. and you could keep the base model down to 10 or 15 thousand dollars and let the consumer make their own additions. Secondly the Federal Government should also be involved to provide the incentive across Canada and not just in Ontario. You have to proceed slowly and not kill the idea with over pricing or is the ideal to just protect the oil industry. Get real.


Dave from Toronto
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Why should the taxpayer subsidize a consumer of this product. They should pony up money instead for Research and Development and get some manufacturing commitments then the prices can be lower on better technology, to everyone's benefit...not just the 5000 people who might buy the Volt.


Brian in Sarnia
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I hear we need some jobs in Ontario. So why is the Ontario based/Quebec made electric car ZENN illegal in Ontario? If we used our incentive to purchase one of these "upper canadian" vehicles, maybe the day would come when a Canadian company can think of opening a new plant or two right here in Ontario to serve the growing demand. I'm no economist, but it makes sense to me.


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