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CTV News: Robert Fife on the political truce
CTV News Channel: Ken Boessenkool and Tim Murphy, party advisors, on a working minority parliament
CTV News Channel: Tom Clark on the House dynamics following the Employment Insurance deal
Question period: Liberals question the PM about EI regulations
Question period: Bloc MPs question the prime minister about what they suggest is a 'coalition'
Question period: The NDP question the Tories about their work with the Liberals
CTV News Channel: Prime Minister Stephen Harper speaks to reporters after his meeting, part one
CTV News Channel: Prime Minister Stephen Harper speaks to reporters after his meeting, part two
CTV News Channel: Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff speaks to the press about the outcome of his meeting with the PM
CTV News Channel: Thomas Mulcair, deputy NDP leader, takes questions from the media
CTV News Channel: Gilles Duceppe, leader of the Bloc Quebecois, reacts to the deal between Harper and Ignatieff
CTV News Channel: Correspondents debate which leader came out with the upper hand after the meetings

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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Wed. Jun. 17 2009 7:44 PM ET

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says it's "good news" that his government is co-operating with the Liberals on a deal to review Canada's Employment Insurance rules, an agreement that will avert a summer election call.

A six-member panel will undertake the review, with three members appointed by the prime minister and the remaining three appointed by Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff. It will report back to Canadians on Sept. 28.

The deal was sewn up Wednesday morning, following three meetings between the two leaders in a 24-hour period.

"We found a way to make progress for Canadians on employment insurance and we found a way to hold the government accountable," Ignatieff said.

Harper and Ignatieff met twice on Tuesday and had a phone conversation on Wednesday, before coming to terms on the deal.

"The good news we have today for people is that the breakthrough we actually have is a willingness of the government and the Official Opposition to work together on an important public policy matter," Harper said at a news conference on Wednesday. "I think it's always preferable that parties work together in these difficult times and that's what Canadians want."

The prime minister told reporters he spoke with Ignatieff about his Employment Insurance concerns, but Harper provided few other details about the talks.

"We discussed in very general terms our views on Employment Insurance, I wouldn't want to reveal anything prejudicial," Harper said.

The prime minister hinted that the EI system needs to be more uniform, though he said his party does not support dropping eligibility to the 360-hour mark, as has been suggested by the Liberals.

The Liberals issued a press release Wednesday morning describing the new panel as an "employment insurance working group."

The panel will be tasked with coming up with proposals "to allow self-employed Canadians to participate voluntarily" in the EI system, and to "improve eligibility requirements in order to ensure regional fairness."

According to the Liberals, "the parties will work in good faith to implement any consensus recommendations made by the working group."

At a news conference in Ottawa late Wednesday morning, Ignatieff said the panel will "seek to present to Canadians by September of this year, specific legislative proposals to bring the self-employed into the EI system. As you know, they are the largest group of unemployed Canadians who have no coverage," he said.

He said the panel would also work to "improve fairness, access and equality" within the EI system.

Ignatieff said he had selected Liberal MPs Michael Savage and Marlene Jennings to serve on the working group, along with his head of policy, Kevin Chan.

Harper said Human Resources and Skills Development Minister Diane Finley will be one of the Conservative-appointed members of the panel, along with an official from her department. The prime minister said he has not yet made a decision on who the third member who he will appoint to the panel.

Fall election?

The prime minister also agreed to give the Liberals an Opposition day at the end of September, something CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said could force an election, if the Liberals decide to move a non-confidence motion at that time.

The Liberals are expected to start voting against the government in the fall, setting up the possibility of an election, which Harper called "crazy."

"The last thing anybody should be doing today is saying we've got an agreement for now, but what that really means is we are going to defeat the government in the fall. I think that would be crazy," Harper said.

However, it is unclear if the NDP, who have consistently voted against the Tory government, would be willing to continue to do so knowing there could be an election.

NDP deputy leader Thomas Mulcair told CTV News Channel's Power Play the NDP votes against the government "on a case-by-case" basis and did not rule out propping up the government in the fall.

Mulcair criticized the Tory-Liberal deal and said Ignatieff "settled for nothing."

Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe also lashed out at the Liberal leader and said "he choked."

Both the NDP and Bloc Quebecois have increasingly aimed their guns at the Liberal party, as polls show the Grits inching ahead.

The Conservatives had not intended to have an Opposition day until late December, shortly before the House of Commons shuts down before the holidays.

An internal Conservative memo circulated on Wednesday, however, did not concede any points to the Liberals as a result of the deal.

"The Liberals have reversed themselves on EI reform (their 360-hour demand has been abandoned) and withdrawn the threat to force an unnecessary summer election," the memo said.

"Instead, the Liberals will vote for the next round of stimulus in our Economic Action Plan."

Access to EI has become a thorn in the government's side in recent months, as more and more Canadians have found themselves needing federal support after losing their jobs.

The Liberals have asked that the government lower EI eligibility to 360 hours, the equivalent of 45 work days, though the prime minister has called that target "irresponsible."

Harper said earlier this week that his priority was acting on an earlier campaign promise, to extend EI benefits to self-employed workers who are not currently covered under EI.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Jan
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Ignatieff had the chance and has now lost it by showing he doesn't have the guts to back up his demands, in particular his demand to make changes to EI so that more people can qualify. We don't need more time to study EI; people need help now and how are they supposed to feed themselves and their families unless they can count on EI? Self-employed people should only be able to qualify if they have been contributing. There are a lot of people out there who are contributing and have been for many years, but can't qualify to collect when they need help. Where is the leadership in this country?


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
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There appears to be some in the LIBERAL party that view
IGNATIEFF as weak and undecisive.

There will be no election, the LIBERALS are FAR from ready for one!


Election now
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Didn't Chamberlain think he had a deal that would bring peace in our time? Ignatieff is being played by Harper and Canadians will lose in the process. This is the time to pull the plug on a harsh and uncaring government that is totally dragging its heels on helping those hurt by the economy. If Ignatieff doesn't get some courage and do the right thing by calling an election, he might as well go back to Harvard.


Rick in NB
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This is what a minority government should do. Cooperate with the oposition because they represent a lot of Canadians. For this jesture i give a nod of the hat to Harper.


bruce in london
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This so called crisis was caused by media hype and an inept Liberal leader.The opposition,to be credible,has to show what they would do differently,not just ask inane questions.
Can the liberals produce more isotopes?Will they have a smaller deficit?Will thier EI plan work better for all Canadians?Can they predict better when we will get out of deficit?The answer to all these questions is NO.
The media should start doing a better job at reporting and stop trying to make news where none exists.


Barb in Calgary
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I feel bad for self -employed workers who are not covered on EI, but they don't pay into it! I am not sure why Harper feels that that is a replacement for lowering the amount of weeks required to collect. I feel that each person s/b reviewed based on their employment history.
I have paid EI for 37 years and collected it for a few months 21 years ago. I should be covered longer and my amount s/b higher than someone who has been in and out of work or someone who has never paid into it????? It is not rocket science.


Rene
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Wouldn't it be truly amazing if our politicians could actually be hones, have integrity, and stop doing everything they can to gain or hold on to power?



Peter Kavanagh
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This is really good news for all the people who volunteer at election time . They deserve a summer holiday too . Most fair minded people have also conculded that after Ignatieff's performance on Monday he need's some work before he can present himself as an alternative to Harper .


Katrina
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When will people realize that politics is a show to keep the masses entertained (and sometimes enraged).


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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Once again, this story proves to me exactly how broken our canadian 'democracy ' really is!

Two guys dictating the future of the entire country.

And we ridicule countries like iran and iraq,, go figger......


JB in Calgary
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I agree with self-employed getting benefits if they have been paying into it. But how does this work? Are they allowed to lay themselves off to get EI? And how is this going to be monitored so that every self-employed doesn't claim they were laid off.

And to work 45 days and then be able to take the rest of the year off is going to CRUSH our economy. I would rather see government spending that stops people from having to go on EI.

Continue with the infrastructure spending not EI. I would rather see money spent to build better roads and transit, I would NOT want to see money spent to allow people to sit on their butts faster and longer. And the Liberal supporters say that Harper doesn't know what he's doing?


Mark Smith (Montreal, QC)
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While I'm sure a lot of Liberal supporters will demand an election, and a lot of Conservative supporters will demand the opposition be ignored, I think this is indeed one of the first cases in recent memory, of government working together. The opposition party is doing it's job as official opposition, and the leading party is doing its job by accepting compromises and not saying "my way or the highway".

Harper has learnt well that he hasn't the control, nor the mandate to execute such control, over parliament, and Ignatieff is smart enough to realise that this is not the time for another election, but instead use his opposition powers to force Harper to concede on specific issues.

I doubt the Liberals will get everything they want and the conservatives won't get everything want, and that's what's good for Canada, since neither party has been given the mandate to rule unopposed.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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I LOVE YOU; YOU LOVE ME

We're a parliamentary family.
___________________

Wow! Who saw this coming?! I thought we were headed for an election for sure! Phew. Thank goodness that's been averted.
___________________

"Clark said that over the past two days, many Liberals have softened their interest in going into an election, choosing to side with the deal their leader has been working out with the prime minister."

TRANSLATION: The Liberals put down their glue bottle and realized that they were going to get their butts kicked...at the polls and in the court of public opinion.

---------------

Let the political games continue. Mr. Ignatieff, it's your serve again.



Barb in Kingston
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I am weary of how the media is playing the Liberals against the Conservatives - who is winning or losing? Why doesn't the media provide a public service and focus on what is at stake for the public - the taxpayers - the content not the optics!


Janet
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People are so fickle...they overwhelmingly do not want an election but when leaders meet and come to a compromise it is called a "sellout". You can't have it both ways!


ADM Saskatchewan
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while I do think that self employed people do need something in down times I'm not sure if it should be EI, especially if they haven't paid into it. That would put a big strain on that program, especially with all the unemployed right now. I am glad though that we will not have to go through the expense of an election right now.


Reg
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Just goes to show that it is NOT the politicians who run the show, but the big institutions and banks. It was reported that the big money guys warned Iggy NOT to cause an election. Looks like the report was right. Politicians, all the same.... it is no wonder they rank lower than used car salespeople.


Alan
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Translation, more money. Keep your pencil handy Mr Flaherty. Of course because it is a delicate topic we do not hear a cost impact. It just seems another example of Liberal cost pushing but then they complain about the size of the deficit. Mr I just seems to speak at times with fork-edd tongue.
Why do I get the impression he is like an actor reading a script he doesn't understand. Sorry that wasn't fair he is still apprenticing in this job.


Canada Goose Whistler
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As long as Harper keeps doing what Micheal Iggnatieff tells him to do, there is no need for an election.
Harper will continue to do what he's told, because he's just in it for the power of being PM.
Funny that the cons support a man like this, he has thrown away all his conservative values & seems to be happy adopting all liberal policies.
Good work Mr Iggnatieff!


support the troops
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Election why not? Tax payers don't have enough to pay to dig us out of this recession (50 Bil). Why not throw an election in and make that deficit a little bigger. Was it not the Liberal government who said no more spending but want to spend more now to over throw the current government that is working for the people of Canada right now. I don't know call me crazy but it seems that they are all power and money hungry in this current government. Maybe they should take pay cuts from 6 figured salaries to the average Canadain salary (instead of pondering of how to add in a double figure pay raise and justify it) and let see how they survive. BITTER yes I am... Leave it the way that it is and see where it goes. Let the government reap what the sew, and if it is all bad then they will not be electeda again. I think Ignatieff needs another 30+ year vacation from Canada.


Sue - Ancaster
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Harper has done just he should - bend to the will of the house/the people. Both leaders know that this is not the time for an election.Ignatieff has shown himself to be a good leader unlike Harper who isn't. The sooner we are rid ot this Conservative gvt. the better BUT now is not the time.


Ed, Toronto
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Is anyone really surprised? Just another misstep by Iggy, who still has a lot to learn about being a politician - not that he's really interested.

But there is a very simple solution to the EI issue: limit the benefit according to the contribution. If you've paid for years, you collect for the max. But if you've only been putting in for 45 days, then you can only collect for 45 days.

Or emulate CPP. There you earn credits. People who have paid less or for less time collect less. Let EI work based on credits.


M M B Ont
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I do not trust Iggy any more than I trust all politicians. All Iggy does is blow a lot of hot air and does not have the guts to follow through on any of his threats. he rants and raves, stomps his feet to get what he wants and then comes out like a shining star thinking he made Harper bend. Harper said publically a long time ago that he was always willing to talk and work with the Opposition Parties But Iggy was hanging on to the Coalition. I give Harper a lot of credit for putting up with these antics of the Liberals, especially Iggy and add to that the useless Layton! It's a difficult job to get things done for the country but it has to be even more difficult when dealing with a bunch who add nothing but always vote against and complain. I do not want to her Iggy putting harper down in future and if he does, he's a hypocrite.
Harper is doing a good job for Canada under very difficult and unpredictable conditions.


Aaron in Toronto
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Ignatieff is like Dion, calling the threat of election at any opportunity there is a microphone near him.

I do not believe there will be an election even if Harper give him a finger (in private of course).

The Liberal party is broken and dead broke and they can't afford an election at this time, just some cheap shot at getting the poll up for them.

It's funny how they will complaint but yet could not provide any alternative solution and better yet not even a platform for them to stand on.

I would like to propose that each federal party provide a written platform that is clear for everyone and if they failed on delivering the promise then there is say a $1 Million fine to the party.

People should also look at the actual fact instead of blindly support the party they love. This is a global recession and Canada alone can't solve the problem within hours but yet people believe that the LPC is the solution to everything.

Can somebody do something about the gas price while you are at it? Middle class citizen in Canada are suffering big time and no one seems to care.


Tucker
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What?

Tom Clark thinks this is going to be an easy sell to the Liberal Caucus, about half of whom, according to reports lead by Bob Rae, are demanding an election now?

IGNATIEFF BLINKED. plain and simple.

Harper said the would announce some possible changes to EI in the fall. Ignatieff DEMANDED IMMEDIATE changes in exchange for supporting the spending estimate vote this coming Friday.

What did Iggy get? According to reports, a blue ribbon panel to, OVER THE SUMMER, examine the EI system and recommend possible changes when they report back IN THE FALL. Which is when Harper said he would announce changes.

Obviously we need to see what, if anything else is in the deal, but, on the EI front IGGY CAVED!


goldens
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What is this going to cost the tax payers. How much did Harper have to give up to please the igotist?

John Wilson
Bridgetown NS


bunny
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I don't care for Iggy, but I wouldnt say he was weak.All those that didnt want an election, well this is how it all works.It doesnt hurt Harper either! he needs to know that this is a minority gov works. Layton could take a lesson from them both


Island Man
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Too bad...now we will have Parliament closed for the summer break and then closed again in the fall for the election. It would have been better just to get it over with while they were shut down for the summer.


Lasher500
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Glad to see that Steve and Iggy can play in the sandbox together without throwing out their toys. We don't need an election at this point in time.


garry
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Harper, Ignatieff close to deal to avoid an election is Government and elected parties working together for solutions. In recession times any party that believes spending 300 million plus dollars on an election, is thinking about their own interest and NOT those of their country. As for the Bloc and the NDP, this is why you will NEVER lead our nation.


Sandra
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Ignatieff,
What part do you not understand when the voters say,NO ELECTION now or in September.
Lets say you are still power hungry and to hell with the Elector.


Patriot
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Liberals should take this time and get a new leader who is from Canada. You will get no were with Canadians with a power hungry American for a leader. Then and only then could you come to power again.


bren
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A 45 day work year? Yea...thats really realistic. RIDICULOUS> we have a good economy..our Unemployment numbers are actually in line histoprically..and have been as high under both Chretien and Trudea..so this is insane. Iggy is not ready for election and blew this one. Its all posturing. I do NOT hvae a clue what people expect the government to do about the medical isotop shortage..lets face facts..the reactor is old and broken..it is not longer a viable production facil;ity for these isotopes. this has been said for fifteen years. As for the stimulus package..Iggy JUST voted in favour of it a couple of months ago..and now hes saying its not a good one? hmm seems to be working..but only if you believe every global economic think tank.Ignore the media hype and do your own research people...check your sources...the facts are there.


Steve Robinson in Calgary
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The government has made enough changes to EI. Extending benefits to the self employed is going to be very difficult to regulate. As for anyone collecting EI after only 45 days,thats ridiculous. Leave EI as it is and focus on training.


THE Fatman
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Why would a political party force an election campaign without a complete slate of candidates? Why would a political party force an election that will cost multi millions of dollars when their war chest is empty? Why would a political party force an election campaign when the leader has no idea of what his platform will be? Simple answer is THEY WOULDN'T. That's why this whole thing is nothing more than Iggy rattling is sword for attention. Makes me think he spent the last 30 years, or whatever, in North Korea taking lessons from the experts!


John
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actually, not having an election shows good decision making on ignatieff's part. elections cost tax payers tons of money each time, so calling the country to another election over such a issue is absurd, and the turnout for the election will probably be lower than the last one which was a record low.


Michael Harkov
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So Harper gave Ignatieff an extra Opposition Day in September. Wow. Now Ignatieff the government is on super, ultra, triple grand probation. WOW!

This is how Ignatieff messes with you until he's done - ANOTHER line in the sand. Unreal.


Syl
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All those thousands of recently unemployed workers for the most part have far more than enough hours to qualify. And they are able to get on EI as the system now stands. This is just another attempt by all 3 opposition parties to discredit the conservatives who like em or hate em are the elected party. All you drones to society that don't want to work and only collect EI for %90 of each year have found yourselves a temporary ally in Ignoramous only until he manages to slime his way into power and another way to pad his bank account at our expense as every polititian in the world does.


Thomas, Sydney mines, Nova Scotia
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NO way should they lower EI at all. I know we have hit hard times but we should not change the EI hours at all they are low as it is. If you can only find a job for 45 days you shoudnt of had a job at all.. lets take all of that tax payers money to give it to people that only work 45 days. harper should stand up and tell the liberal leader NO WAY!


Dean
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Yet another example of why minority governments are useless. If someone feels that they won't get re-elected, they will cave in on simple decisions. We always need a strong central government.


tREE
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I agree with Rene. I think both PM and opposition spend a great deal too much time playing political games with one another. I love Canada, and feel we just need our government to show us some real leadership and focus on the real task at hand. Improving our country! - It's a shame because we can be so much better.


Ken - Calgary
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Oh, if only Harper showed the same spirit of co-operation that Ignatieff has shown. The only way to get Harper to co-operate instead of being a dictator is to threaten him with the only thing he cares about - power. It's also too bad that Harper didn't care enough about Canadians to make EI reforms without being threatened with loss of power, but any sensible Canadian has come to expect that from Harper.


Richard in Ontario
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NO MONEY
It's not hard to understand the Liberals not wanting an election. Their cupboard is almost bare and they need time to replenish. They haven't had the good fortune of being in power for the last few years so haven't had their hands on the taxpayers purse strings. It appears their supporters aren't helping them with donations either. I'm sure Mr Ignatieff has been told to do what is necessary to hold off until times are better financially for the party, so work with Mr Harper.


Dayton
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It's the only policy Iggy has. Threaten to call an election then back down when he reviews the overnight polls. He's hoping sooner or later he'll get it right. How indecisive of a P.M. would he be? And we think the govt. is slow to react now!!!


K D in Alberta
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It's truly amazing how arrogant Conservative supporters are.

It's time for you to face the facts - this had nothing to do with the Liberals perceiving that they would lose an election if called. The current numbers nationally, and especially the numbers inside of Ontario and Quebec, are even more positive than they were for Harper in the last election. Fact is, when you have a 10 point lead in the polls, you are almost guaranteed a sweep, and that is what the Liberals will do in Ontario and Quebec, where the CONs are all but shut out. So quit your cocky little ho-downs, Conservatives - if an election were called tomorrow, it is the Conservative party that will be absolutely demolished in Parliament, NOT the Liberals.


STEVE H. in COURTENAY
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While I agree with most of what has been said here so far in regards to Iggy I can't help but feel that he has been cut way to much slack. He, as well as any other opposition leader, doesn't qualify for a breakin period at all. If you recall he wasn't elected into that position, he was appointed so that means he has to hit the ground running and if he stumbles and falls, as is the case over the past couple of days, then he'll be trodden on by the PM. If he wasn't so arrogant, as are many of his copatriots in that "party of entitlement", I might be able to feel a bit of sympathy for him but when I see him in front of the microphone preaching and flip flopping about EI, the deficit and Isotopes it makes my blood boil. One example of a flip flop is the budget last January that he himself demanded and voted in favour of and now wants to change to suit his liberal ideals. This, from a man that signed a pact with the Dippers and the Separatists last fall/winter to grab power = lest we forget the "SEPARATIST COALITION"!!! I guess I should not be surprised. Harper now owns Ignatief and after Iggy's recent display the polls will reflect his weakness. I ask you all, so far what is the difference between Professor Iggy and Professor Dion. The latter must be lovin' all this turmoil that Iggy is going through right now. Come on iggy call an election = no guts = no glory!!!...........


Norm in NB
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I don't get where it is difficult to get EI comes from. I have never had a problem.If you pay in the required time you can get EI. That is how we can afford it without raising taxes or other sources of income. Reduce the time in and it will reduce time out or raise taxes. The only other time you may not get EI is if you quit your job instead of being laid off. If you choose to quit then it is your responsibility to provide for yourself. Responsibility seems to be a foreign word in this country.


David in Whitby
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Michael Ignatieff needs to get some new people behind him in the Liberal bench to win an Election . He has Bob Ray , Ralph Goodale & Stephen Dion , but these people are from the Paul Martin Era with shady past's too . Get some NEW FACES in the Liberal party or you will not win the next Election .


Independently Minded
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Well, well a minority parliament actually working as it should.

Both sides got what they wanted.

Harper hasn't yet budged on his position on EI and Iggy got his movement on EI reform.

Now Harper faces another confidence day in September and Iggy didn't get the NDP EI bill passed before the summer.

Neither got what they wanted, instead they got a compromise to keep the "boss" out of a summer election.

The trick now is for both leaders to keep their hot heads under control for the next few days so that neither side says or does anything stupid to provoke the other.

We ain't out of the woods yet, but we can see a clearing ahead.

I for one have no issues with a summer election, however the rest of the boss does, so I have to accept their majority opinion.


BA in The 'Peg
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If the Liberals are so hell-bent on changing EI, why not suggest real changes to this program? They are clueless and just hypocrites.

Why not this. Everyone who pays into EI, both employed and self-employed, pay into an account managed by the Federal EI program. Everyone has a S.I.N., that's your account number. The money goes in, it may go up if they invest properly, and you pay a fee to have it managed. If you need to use it during your working life, you collect up to what you have put in. Then, at, say age 65, you get 80% back or some value less than your total so there is money in there to keep the program running, etc. This way, I'm not paying for you, and you're not paying for me, but collectively, the money is working for all people in the country.

I know, so simple, it's dumb.

This is the way these social programs need to work, and then it's fair for all. If we all pay the same rate of GST and that's fair, then why not apply similar "fairness" rules to all other aspects of our social programs?


A very concerned Soilder
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The funny thing about some of this is, is the liberails could have built new nuclear reatorcs when they were in power for 13yrs and they did not...As far as EI no way should somebody get money for working 45 days come on there is work out there just not the wage they are use to getting. I pay into EI and I can never claim it so I don't want to pay more for nothing but getting votes out of ontario....I will rather go to an election and vote again then criple this Country by just giving money away again...


Margaret
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How refreshing! A Common Sense solution to a very pressing problem! THIS is the way Governments should work. Canadians needed another election like we needed another hole in our heads!

I applaud BOTH leaders for having the foresight and the intestinal fortitude to stand up to the 'hawks' in both parties, and work for the betterment of all Canadians.

I am told that both leaders have at least their undergrad degrees. I am glad they also both have their "Bachelor of Common Sense" degrees.





Angry in the West
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The spending was wrong. But what do you do when you have a government that favors the Corporation over the individual? The money should have gone directly to the consumer for buying these products in the form of governmental rebates that way the companies do receive it but they can’t just use it to pay high priced execs with private jets.

As for the Isotope problem? It's obvious that the feds cannot run the facility. Maybe we should be setting up strict guidelines and making it private. I am sure a business could be profitable building and running a medical reactor (again I say with strict federal guidelines and checks).

As for EI... That is the biggest money grabbing joke this country has. They have Billions in surplus, but they find every way not to pay you. It's like a fund for a bunch of people wanting to make a work project for themselves with federal backing. They will do whatever is necessary including spying on the people (Legally entitled to collect it) just to make sure they do not pay out to much so they can pay their execs millions in salaries.

NOT FAIR ON ALL COUNTS. These problems are not only the Conservative problem but it's been problems that have always been there under all gov's but no one has the bah-gumption (yes I know it’s not a real word) to fix them, and all they want to do is posturing and posing in parliament while their constituents suffer. And remember even if a person didn't vote for you, they are still your constituent and you are responsible to them.



KD Ontario
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EI should be based on how long you have worked and how much you have collected from EI
there should be some sort of a credit system that if you have worked for 20 years and paid into EI and never collected as a opposed to someone who has only work for 2 years and they are both entitled to the same lenght of time they can collect
a credit system like 1 year worked 3 months EI benifits
there would need to be a maximum of 12-36 months
just a thought from someone who has been fortunate enough not to have ever had to be on EI but may need it someday


GF
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So, let me get this straight:

If Iggy is not happy with the suggestions put forward by this blue ribbon panel, TWO OF WHOM WILL BE SELECTED BY IGNATIEFF, the Liberals can move to bring the government down in September?

Iggy, if you don't like what the panel comes up with, since YOU selected two of the members, YOU can only blame YOURSELF, not the panel or the Conservatives.


Don
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The government and the opposition need to recognize that these are special times and get to work with the focus on minimizing the impact of the weak economy. Now more time is wasted because the government needs to spend money on commissons and do the "maintenance tasks" to molify the oppositon. EI eligibility after only 360 hrs does not make sense, except for people that want to work a bit and then go skiing or whatever. Where is the money coming from to pay out these benefits? This EI reform is more like a welfare program and the tax payer (the ones that pay taxes all year) will get stuck with the bill. You politicians get to work!


Alysha Ont
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Now this is getting more ridiculous every minute. Iggy gets an Opposition Day in Sept to bring down the gov't if he doesn't like what this what the blue-ribbon panel brings forth !! And Iggy gets to choose two of his gang to sit on thjis panel. This spells it out clear and simple. Iggy is all about power. He wants to be Prime Minister so badly that he will use every trick in the book and every dirty means possible to get there. This deal is not working with the gov't but working only for yourself Iggy. You want mto score points now so that you will be in a better position to bring down the gov't in Sept?? Why the delay? Bring on the election now and we will send you back to where you came from.


Darren in Ontario
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Rick in NB
I agree 100%. With a minority government all parties have to work together to govern the country. The Bloc and the NDP haven't figured that out yet.


Gid'dat
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Gid'day

Canadians - Winner

Liberals - Winner

Conservatives - Winners

This is as it should be in a minority situation.

Those who want another election now are shot disturbers.

The uncertainty of an election could only slow down the approvals for new projects, with the result that there would be less help for the unemployed.




Brad
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There is something fundamentally wrong with the EI program. I pay $213 per month and my employer matches that. I have not collected once over 17 years.

There are, however, companies in my area that employ high-paid workers for 6 months of the year, then lay them off for 6 months to draw EI benefits. This happens year after year after year. EI is nothing more than another tax on the taxpayer and/or another program that's brutally abused.


PBW
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Janet says "People are so fickle...they overwhelmingly do not want an election but when leaders meet and come to a compromise it is called a "sellout". You can't have it both ways!"

Of course you can! This is a combination of politics and a public online forum for those of us who like a daily rant.

Anything goes!

PS Who ever said that discussions on politics were rational!




Mike
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It can not be that bad if the almighty liberal leader won't bring down the current gov't.

Let the Cons govern and finish there term and then go to the polls.


Gregory D
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Hey whats all this talk about a summer break? With the economy in such bad shape they should not be taking any break. What do they think they are teachers? Maybe if they stayed and worked all summer they could practice and learn how to run a country. eh

Glad there is no election though.

Everyone have a good summer as I AM a teacher I am off to the cottage for the summer. ha




Ted
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We don't need another election. It doesn't matter who is in power, they are all the same, just different faces. What Canada needs is to clean up the Politics and start with fresh honest people.


Jim-Surrey
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Believe it or not IGGY figured out that an election would probably push the Liberals further away in seats as people do not trust this part time Canadian with his arrogance and holier than thou, I am perfect attitude.
A trait he must have learned from George W.
Thank god no election some tax payer monies has now been saved and can be directed to where it is really needed. EI for those that need it even though we are still dealing with an old Liberal EI platform that has been out of date for many years, thanks to a previous Liberal government.


macc in Ottawa
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Alot of hot air flying around - In a minority situation it is good to see flexibility- compromise etc.
To watch Mr. Ignatieff posturing like a kingmaker and a king in waiting is unbelievable... Reality check - people ... since the Liberals got us into this mess with EI - of course they would know some of the solutions - but the brains are not all with the Liberals....
Why is it the international community thinks we are on the right track but we Canadians cant see it ... answer: because we are blinded by our love to hate something/ someone and disagree instead of looking at the positives and work together!
I implore you to voice that we do NOT need an election now nor in the fall - we need to stay the course and get our economy kicking - not spending $100 million for an election...



Jay-TO
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Wow. Mr Harper obviously has become more of a liability than an asset to the conservatives. He now has to bargain to keep hold of power. Iggy did good on this one. He looks like the leader and Harper had to make concessions. Harper is on his way out since his little mistake back in December when he tried to make our country a one party state. This is just the latest indication that as far as political capital is concerned, Harper is spent. People see him for what he really is now and they are not impressed.


Ryan in Burlington
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Here's an even better EI proposal:

Quit charging Tax on those EI earnings!

When you get EI, you also get taxed on it. The crazy thing is that you pay into EI when you are working. So, when you get EI, you are actually getting back what you pay into when you are working...and you get taxed on it! What a scam!!!

What sense does it make if you have to pay a tax on a benefit that you already pay tax on when you are employed??? Oh not sense, but CENTS!

Getting taxed while on EI is so stupid and that should be addressed!

THIS IS ONE OF THE GREAT CANADIAN SCAMS!!!


Jim in Ontario
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"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss". See everyone in three months to carry on this phony election brinksmanship stuff. There must be a better way to run the country. I wish the Liberals would choose a leader this time, or better yet I would like to see a Conservative majority.


Will
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Wow. Looks like Ignatieff was able to twist Harper's arm on this one. Things keep changing every day! The is a clear win for Canadians. Imagine if Ignatieff would have just blindly supported the economic report card? We finally have real opposition to this government and we avoid an election until the fall. Everyone should be happy with this result.


kell,halifax
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Thank goodness. In this economy could we really afford another election so soon?


pat sk
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Giving in to another confindence vote in Sept. is just playing into more uncertainty. My fincial potfolio has gone down again in recent days. I blame Iggy and his nonsense. 45 days and then you can collect EI. I am retired -maybe I should go back to work for 45 days so I can collect and maybe earn back some of my lost funds!!!!


Suncoaster
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More studies, more committees, more cost for the taxpayer. The only ones not concerned about unemployment are the politicians. This is a goverment of inaction. Maybe they should study inaction more. Can I get on that committee?


Canada A Welfare State?
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Barb from Calgary. Get your facts right. Self employed do pay into EI and they are forced to pay into Workers Comp which they cannot collect either.
45 days of work to collect EI is rediculous. There are many people in the country that pay and pay and will never collect a penny of EI. We are now retired and could never collect. There once was a time that you were embarrassed to collect. You simply got another job as quick as you could.
NOw you collect and don't bother looking for a job until the money from EI is finished.
We have created a society that believes that the gov't should pay for everything and that we should get everything for free.
There is nothing for free it costs the tax payer. People wake up that is US!
Get back to simplistic.
User pay. A simple saftey net. Not one that creates a welfare society


Brian in Calgary
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I really don't see how EI for the self-employed is going to work. First of all, who exactly will be defined to be "self-employed" for the purposes of being able to contribute to the EI program and then qualify for benefits? Is a sole practitioner lawyer self-employed? Is a free-lance journalist, graphic artist or web designer self-employed? Secondly, though I can see utility to the idea of enabling the self-employed to claim EI benefits for maternity/paternity leave or temporary disability, so long as they qualify and have paid into the system, what happens when the economy contracts and the self-employed are no longer able to get the clients or free-lance piece work they once relied on? Do the self-employed then collect EI as a kind of income supplement?

Whatever Prof. Ignatieff's other admirable qualities might be, quite frankly, he is coming off as another political dud.


russ
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Who is really running the country? I would have to say Iggy. And I might add he is doing a great job at it. Harper is caving in to demands and in doing so, is showing the rest of the country that he is incapable of leading and making sound decisions. Time for change is now.


Retired in Burlington
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Being able to collect EI for only working 45days is insane.I have no problem with the selfemployed collecting benefits as long as they paid their premiums like the rest of the workforce.I do not agree with what Mr.Harper is doing in regards to dealing with Mr.Ignatieff, He should have called his bluff and if it meant having an election then so be it. There is an old saying... Lead, follow or get out of the way. Having a minority government is a pain,nothing gets done. Lets have an eletion and vote in a majority government who will be committed to getting us out of this mess.Say what you want about the American political system with only two parties you never have to put up with a minority gov. that never gets anything done.


Tony Ducey
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I don't like Iggy but I have to credit him here for working with the prime minister in avoiding a summer election that noone wants. It's good to see the opposition working with the government, the NDP and the Bloc could learn alot from the Liberals.


The Other Lowell in BC
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i don't understand alot of the sentiment in this blog. many are characterizing iggy as an ineffective and weak leader yet few of these folks wanted a summer election. what the heck. In this instance, it seems to me that Iggy forced Harper into a compromise and to be more accountable to parliament. Harpers attitude of my way or no way was severely altered by Iggy's actions. That shows leadership on Iggy's part and also at the same time makes Harper look better as well. Now he is acting like he has a minority government with a desire to work with the opposition to make parliament work unlike the other two yahoo's. Duceppe and Layton.


Larry NL
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Just don't let the Liberals handle the E.I. money. They can't be trusted when it come to handling large amounts of tax payers money.


Ki-Som Victoria BC
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Say and do anything to remain in power, isn't that right Mr. Harper. I am a strong Liberal supporter and I agree that the Liberal party isn't ready for an election.


CarlAB
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Ha. Who's the real prime minister here? Stimulus, EI...

Harper is terrified of Ignatieff. Either that or he's just so desperate to cling to power that he'll sell out his own belief system.

Of course, there's aways c) all of the above.




Prof. Pye Chartt
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THE FOOLS GOT FOOLED AGAIN

Those cheering and shouting with joy that this completely forecasted "turn of events" demonstrates how our parliamentary system is supposed to function in the case of a minority government are being, once more, deservingly bamboozled by superficial politics as usual.

The fact is, folks, that no accomplishment of definitive SUBSTANCE was yielded from the meeting between PM Harper and Mr. Ignatieff. The Conservative government of the day was planning to implement changes to the EI system near the close of this summer. For his part, Mr. Ignatieff failed to have his nutty changes implemented.

What Canadians have received, instead, is the illustrious promise of a "Blue Ribbon Panel" to examine the situation. Wonderful. What a victory for us all. Now this "working group" of unaccountable government-backed nobodies can figure the whole thing out. Beautiful.

If you like political games, and subscribe to bull-crap rather than decisive action from your elected representatives, then, indeed, this is a great day. However, if you expect those handed federal power and trust in Ottawa to actually GOVERN without continually posturing for an election, today is another time to shake your head.

Mr. Ignatieff is playing around, and PM Harper is quite happy to indulge him.

All the naive fools in Canada have turned it into a farcical spectator sport.


bren
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Why is EI not like every other kind of insurance..the more you draw on it the higher the rate you pay. being in the military I pay it and can never draw it..even when thrown out of a job at compulsory retirement age, years before CPP


Helen
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Somebody should read Mr. Ignatieff the story about "The Boy Who Cried Wolf." I can't be the only person who has stopped listening to him.


Lorne
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Why the partisan bashing of the two parties involved?
We have a minority government and an economy that is in dire need of repair.
It is about time that all parties get together and do what is best for Canadians.
We don't need an election every 6-12 months like Mr. Layton would want to see and hopefully form the government. (Which will never happen).


Elizabeth, Ontario
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I'm relieved that there will be no summer election. I'm not at all impressed by Ignatieff's threats to hold the country hostage if he doesn't get his way. He is all about his own ego and power and nothing about what is best for Canada and Canadians. He has cried wolf too often - just another Dion in a more egotistical form. His mission, at this time, is to keep his face in front of media. I'm sick of this man! I think he's bad for Canada and Canadians and would better serve himself and taxpayers if he just tucked his tail between his legs and headed back to Harvard. Go write another book Iggy and leave Canadians alone! Good on PM Harper for averting an election. Now can we allow our elected government to govern?


Good Job!
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Great job on working together.

Another great example of how Canadian style democracy actually works!


LH
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I find it entertaining how people think that the government can just snap its fingers and make changes to EI. The government is a huge bureaucracy, change cannot happen overnight. And EI is a temporary measure to help people who are really in need. To do so they need to follow rules and procedures to ensure the system isn't being abused. They can't just start throwing money around without thinking where it will do the most good. As well, by lowering the rules to 45 days to qualify would cripple the system as there isn't enough money to do that and there is too much room for abuse. I personally would rather they make a smart decision than throw money around and realize "oops, there isn't enough or any left" later on. I am tired of all of their working committees and think they are a waste of time and money, but maybe they wouldn't need them if all the childish politicians could finally get it together, stop the partisan crap and actually all work together for the good of Canada. Wouldn't that be a breath of fresh air from Ottawa. Sadly I doubt it will happen, I think to do that we need an entirely new party, maybe called "Canada's party" and vote in people with business sense who can govern the resources of this country in a sane manner rather than all of the waste and bickering. Sadly we're stuck with this lot who would rather be on TV or posturing than governing.


A Koster - BC
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You're kidding yourselves if you think this is about unemployment, EI, the economy or anything else that relates to the running of the country.. it's about Harper and Ignatieff have nice extended holidays at their summer homes, with not a thought for the welfare of a single one of us.
Btw, does Obama get 3 months summer vacation or does he actually take his job seriously?


Shawn Holden Edson Alberta
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Even Iggy is smart enough to read all the polls, that CLEARLY state, Canadians do not want another election, anytime soon. Most Canadians are struggling under dire economic circumstances, unlike the MP's whose cheques won't bounce or be cut completely, so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the Liberals would be descimated IF they forced this election. Iggy and Jack Layton need to remember that we TAXPAYERS want leadership and progress from our ELECTED officials, NOT the B.S. and whining going on now in Ottawa. Get it together kids, put down for your sabres, and DO YOUR JOB.


Maureen
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A couple of points -
1. The media has way too much time on their hands and rather do some real research to back up any stories they produce, they would rather pick away at things - something like bored little children - who really need to be sent for a time out - hopefully we will get that this summer since parliament is not sitting and there is no election.
2. EI for the self-employed is just silly - being self-employed for 15 years if you don't have work - you go out and get work, and you need to save for those times when work is not there - in may business that is typcially November, December and January and then again in June, July and August - so I have money in the bank to cover my expenses during that time.
3. This panel will do nothing which is just fine since by the time they report back, the EI crisis (as defined by an ill-informed media) will be largely gone - if there is a need to revise hours of work - move it up, up and up and then make EI a real insurance program rather than 'extended welfare'


Retired Soldier in Kingston, ON
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Congratulations to both Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Opposition Leader Michael Ignatieff and their parties for behaving responsibly over the Employment Insurance issue.

By listening to their constituents, thinking creatively and acting in the best interests of all Canadians by electing compromise rather than engage in an unnecessary and very expensive election they have helped restore a semblance of trust in the political system!

As tax-payers, Canadians demand that their politicians spend their hard-earned dollars wisely; unecessary elections do not qualify in this regard!

Pro Patria!


Denise
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This is simply an unnecessary drama perpetuated by Ignatieff and catered to by a media who are so desperate to report news that they take full advantage of this garbage.


Deborah
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Let me get this right!!

Work for 45 days and take the rest of the year off with EI pay while I get my butt out of bed every morning for a year to pay for them to collect!!!

Hmm - I can see the EI numbers rising big time because you know there are people who are just waiting in line to take advantage of this one!!



Elaine in Alberta
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Canada A Welfare State says
"Barb from Calgary. Get your facts right. Self employed do pay into EI and they are forced to pay into Workers Comp which they cannot collect either."
Maybe you should get your facts straight. The fact is the only EI the self employed pay is for their employees. They do not pay for themselves, and are not allowed to at this point. The self employed may in fact pay into WCB to allow themselves to be covered as well as their employees.


Lucky_Eddie
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Gotta love Liberal logic here. Harper compromises a little and he's a bad guy, just trying to cling to power (like Liberals do with NDP to a much greater extent every time they have a minority). But if Harper doesn't bend then he's a bad guy for being inflexible and trying to govern like he had a majority. Either way, Harper is the bad guy.

Certainly makes your vote decision making easy.


Scotty
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Congratulations to Iggy and the Liberals for doing their job as the official opposition and scaring the Cons into doing theirs, finally. Plus, if the government doesn't behave itself over the next fews months, the opposition can always toss them out in the fall. Excellent outcome.


Jim in Ottawa
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Let's all hope that Mr. Ignatieff is resoundly defeated in the upcoming election whenever it may be. His crass, personal opportunism may be welcome in some of the other countries he has lived in, but it is not welcome here in Canada. His way is not the Canadian way.


Brad in Calgary
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At least they are playing nice together and seemingly working together, even if it is via strongarm extortion tactics from Ignatieff. My way or the highway is not an effective governance tool, and that applies to both Iggy and Harper.

Perhaps NOW though we can get on with the business of actually improving this great country of ours instead of constantly bickering and wasting time. There is too much at stake here for our future to keep on trying to see who has the biggest.


Layton in Moncton
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Good on ya Mike, it's your job to hold the government accountable and that is exactly what you did. An election is not the only way to do your job, but when the time comes that all confidence is lost in this government, I trust you will do what you have to to pull the plug...and you will have my support (unless the Greens have some better ideas on the shelf).


Kaillean
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To those who have said that self-employed people do pay into EI -- that is NOT correct. I am sole proprietor of a communications business. I do not even have the option to pay into EI or WCB.

People talk as if we are a bunch of slackers looking to milk the system by wanting to be eligible for EI. Quite the contrary -- we are entrepreneurs who help provide jobs for others and boost the economy.

I have been working since I was 16 (I'm 41 now)and have NEVER collected EI. I also have two young children and had to go back to work within a couple of weeks of giving birth each time because I was not able to pay into EI and receive maternity benefits. This has resulted in higher childcare costs as I have to have in-home care so that I was able to breastfeed my infants.

Self-employed people just want to have the same benefits and protections as other workers. We will pay for them, just as other employees do. Most people of an entrepreneurial nature are not interested in getting a free ride.

Of course, there will always be people who abuse the system. That's the price we pay for maintaining this important safety net.


Steve the Pundit
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No election? Quelle surprise!!

Funny how pragmatism and reality can move Iggy from "We must move to solve this NOW!" to "Oh, just get back to us with something before September."

Can't wait to see what this so-called "blue ribbon panel" comes up with...


Soph
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There's ALWAYS going to be someone unhappy with anything and everything.

Go outside people. Take a breath. Enjoy the summer.


George
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Good!! Make a deal please! That is the way minority parliaments work! That way the minority fringe parties (NDP communists and Bloc country destroyers) can't hijack parliament with their ridiculous demands. Those 2 parties and leaders are a complete joke! Thank God they are shut out of the process.


Joel in Halifax
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I am impressed. The opposition has decided that it will stop long enough to actually try and work things out, rather than closing their eyes and calling for an election every few months. Finally something productive is coming from parliament hill. Good work Mr. Harper & Mr. Ignatieff, please continue to work together like adults should.


Larry I Ontario
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This is disgraceful! The Liberals blew a chance to get rid of the Harper government who only care about big business. I do not trust either leader as they have shown they are only for themselves and have not taken immediate action to ease the pressure from the unemployed. SHame on you Iggy!! You have lost my support now!


P Bainbridge
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Iggy - Dion V2.0! All bark and no bite.


MAL of TO
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So WHY did the liberals have their bloodless coup? Other than Iggy being a bit more proficient in English than Dion they seem to be in exactly the same position and have given Harpers political team some time to work on their Quebec difficulties.


GCB Ormocto
said
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If the news media would keep their nose out of Government business they could probably get something done. But the news media keeps on harping about an election and when there is no election they don't know what to talk about.


DaveEast
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Well done Mr. Harper! By showing maturity of leadership and a spirit of compromise, you have helped save Canadians multi millions of dollars for a pointless election.

Our current Prime Minister is certainly the best person for these times. Unlike other recent Canaian leaders of both major parties, there is no aura of corruption and sleaze attached to this man. He is an honest man, with the courage of his convictions and the welfare of our citizens in his heart.


Sandy Falkiner
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Ignatieff has risen the bar and standards in terms of leadership qualities. He is doing his job and forcing Harper to do his. Ignatieff has put Canadian interests first by not forcing an elelction during these terrible economic times and by showing his willingness to cooperate and work together. There are many who are proclaiming his weakness and yet I believe that he has shown extrordinary patience, intelligence and resourcefulness in hammering out this deal with Harper. Congratulations Mr. Ignatieff.


Alex (Toronto)
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I think the NDP and BQ should have representation on the panel to review EI policy.

The Liberals are ready for an election if necessary. The voters aren't. They weren't last year when Harper broke his own law to call an election, and they aren't this summer. Nobody wants to waste $300 million to pick the same group of MPs again, give or take a few seats.

The only way for a minority government to actually work is for the governing party to cooperate with the opposition. Harper doesn't do that, which is why the Conservatives get so little done. They'd rather let bills die and complain about past governments than deal with present crises. They spend Question Period criticizing rather than answering questions. If they're going to be negative all the time, the Tories should go back to being in opposition. Never saw Chretien or Trudeau spend so much time talking about the other guys. Good or bad, when they were in government, they actually governed.


Doug BC
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The only people being served by this Parliament are the MP's.The people voted last year,so quit the partisan bickering and get to work.
The opposition has two faces when it comes to the debt,and deficits.On one day they want more spending,on the nxt day they whine about the size of the deficit.SO that should not be an excuse to go to the polls.The medical isotope problem is years in the making.AECL should be called to account for the money they spent on the MAPLE reactors.You have to be blatantly partisan to lay this debacle on Harper.
That leaves EI.I think some changesx might be in order.But those changes should NOT lead to access that is to easy.That leads to abuses,and encourages abusers to live a life style that includes part time work and EI as a regular part of their income.ON that count Harper is right.Nor am I sure that the qualifying period should be the same for everyone.While it SOUNDS fair,the fact remains that some areas have advantages over others.If you lose a job in Vancouver,you have thousands of places to seek work.If you lose a job in a small,rural,one or two industry community,you will likely have fewer options when seeking work.If the Liberals want to spend another $1.5 billion dollars on EI,EVERY YEAR,they should tell us which taxes will be raised to pay for that,or which programs they will reduce to get the money.
In short,there IS NO REAL ELECTION ISSUE here.Noe of the issues the opposition have put forward justifies a $300 election that will almost certainly produce another minority government.
Harper is the leader of the government.Get the best deal you can,but let him govern.When the Liberals win,let them govern,and even change Harpers legislation.
FOR NOW,MAKE PARLIMENT WORK


Dan
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Iggy threatened to bring down the government if his 4 demands were not meet. He gets 1 of the four and it is not even what he was demanding, "help for the unemployeed this summer" and he bends. I see this as very weak leader. At least follow through if you make threats.

Iggy is just like Dion. Up, down, left, right, in, out...


Norm in NB
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Name me an insurance plan, car etc. where you always get something back not just when you need it. Why should EI be different?


Anne
said
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Who really cares anymore. Whoopee. A working group. I'll admit that I haven't followed the EI thing much, but if you don't pay into it, you don't get to collect. All those EI benefit hopefuls out there? Forget it, your cause has just become the black hole of a committee/working group. The next ice age will be here before any progress gets done on this.


bella-in-ottawa
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Listening to Gilles Duceppe makes me ill. His priorities are not for all Canadians but just for those who live in Quebec. He shouldn't have a say! Boo to him. Anyways, the NDP and Bloc do not want to work to try and make parliament work. Mr. Ignatieff showed some leadership today!


Mr Canada
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I really shake my heads at a lot of bashers on both sides, Liberal AND Conservative...think about it for a minute:

Ignatieff obviously doesn't want to call an election right now. We're smack dab in the middle of a recession, the government is posting a $50 billion deficit AND by all accounts, the Liberals don't have the money right now to pay for a campaign. Providing you COULD win the election, would you want to take over the mess that is the economy right now? Of course not. You wait until the recession is over and the economy rebounds so that it makes you look golden.


Shorty
said
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What a joke. And these guys are in the headlines for days on end.


CTV fan.
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I just heard Duceppe, and I don't know what he is thinking. I really do not. I would much rather Iggy and Harper work as one, than Iggy work with the other lefty parties, that want to have an election when we can ill afford one.
On another note, how fair is Tom Clarke? I think he is wonderful.Poweer play is something to watch every day!


Keith Fox
said
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Congratulations to Canada's
political leaders working in
unison at this time. This is
what Parliament needs at this
time to help parts of Canada
that have been hit hard by the recession.By showing that
our politicians are working
for the economic recovery it
will help in that recovery.I
hope that Parliament can be
in session till next spring as I can see all the Canadian
economy booming and not just
the provinces of Manitoba and
Saskatechewan. Next spring is
the right time for the next
Federal election.To all my
fellow Canadians I hope you
have a great summer.






Shania
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Sorry, how does anybody know they "hammered out a deal"? Were we there? Did they open the doors so we could see what they were actually doing? Didn't think so. These are politicians telling us what they supposedly did. Maybe they watched videos and had pizza, I don't know what the heck they were really doing in there.


Optimus
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Seems to me the seasonal workers were already getting a good deal from EI. Don't they already have the sweetest deal in town? Work for a few months, take the winter off... work for a few months, take the winter off.... hey, if I could wield a sledgehammer for 45 days, under the sun, in some construction hold, I'd be doing that too. That's a sweet deal. Probably ruin the federal economics but hey,the boys will figure something out.


Independently Minded
said
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Interesting ideas on EI reform.

Let's hope the Cons and Libs are reading these comments and getting a few ideas...


Lorne
said
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Once again we could have had an opportunity to defeat the Neocons. Alas, we will now have to wait for another opportunity.


Randy Adamson
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When are we going to talk about language? Quebec is just French and the rest of the country English and French..It's garbage!! England won the war for this Country, not France! Can we spend anymore money in Quebec? They'll never be happy or thankful for what is given to them. A civil war will come in due time..


Mel from Calgary
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Seems we have a coalition government of Conservatives and Liberals.



Concerned Canadian
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In spite of the cynicism of some posters, I think this is an example of how a minority government can be made to work.

Thanks to Mr. Ignatieff, who persevered in his attempt to force the government to show concern for the average Canadian, we have a chance to reform the E.I. rules to provide some help for those suffering from this recession, just as the coalition persevered to force the government to table a budget that would recognize the impact of this economic meltdown.

Thanks too to Mr. Harper, whose willingness to compromise his principles has saved Canadians from a summer election. Once again Mr. Harper has shown himself to be a true pragmatist, rather than a committed Conservative.

Congratulations to both parties. They have shown that a minority government can provide the necessary leadership, provided it can be forced to take the wishes of the majority into account.


Carol
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This crisis of an election never existed! The liberals are well aware that they are not ready and had to have some excuse to support the government. They are trying to look like they are saving the day then on the other hand say they will bring down the government in the fall. This is a dumb thing to say!!!!


Joe
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IGGY'S got a HUGE head. Look what happened last time we voted in a PM with a HUGE head.


don.h.
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just more liberal grandstanding by king iggy to try and conjure up support for his band of thieves by pretending to care about the unemployed. shame on you.


Working Class
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@Larry I Ontario

DO you realy believe you should get EI for 45 days of work ? That is what this is about ?


Real Lavergne
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I think Harper pulled Ignatieff's tougue down over his eyes and is laughing at least untill winter when Ignatieff figures out how to get his sight back.


LDL in ONT - I'll think for myself thankyou.
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The other night I watched one of those faux interviews between Lloyd Robertson and Robert Fife on this latest political subject. The final question was, "So who is the winner and who was the loser"?
Why does there have to be a winner and a loser ? Can't the story be presented without a tv journalist telling us who he thinks comes out smelling like a rose. Judging by the thumbs up vs. thumbs down tallies that question (if we must answer it) is obvious.




Naveed
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Ignatieff seems to have got what he wanted. He is not taking the Liberals to an election this summer, and has shown to some extent that he can make Harper ostensibly listen to his concerns. Whether anything comes of it is doubtful! We probably have more chance of being struck by lightening.
What has happened in reality is that the election has been postphoned till the end of September. At that time, the country will go the polls, and Harper will be voted out of office.
Just wait.


jay
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Optimus
I work seasonal have for 10 years and no its not a sweet deal.I work from apr to the end of nov so its more then a few months.Yet i still can't get ei.


Clem
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I agree with Dan. Iggy flexes is muscles and than caves in. Another Dion.
As for Duceppe, why is his party even in federal politics when he only represents 1 province out of 10. There should be something in the constitution that if you want to have a party in federal politics, you have represent the whole country.


Adam in Ottawa
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Once again we see how PM Harper only wants to "make Parliament work" when he's staring down the barrel of losing his throne. That being said, it's good that they were able to come to an agreement and stave off an election for awhile. Can't wait to hear the Bloc and NDP griping about this!


Doug Winnipeg
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Both the Liberals and Conservatives are jockeying for poll results. The NDP and (gawd help us) the BLOC, sit and howl in the dark. I do not trust the Liberals. I have a long memory of AdScam. Keep one hand on your wallet. And as for the NDP, there is an old saying. "if the NDP is in power, keep both hands on your wallet."


Naveed
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Thumbs up if you agree that Michael Ignatieff showed some leadership, and is going to win the next election, which is going to be in Fall of 2009.


realistic Natty, ON
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Now more than ever Canada needs a clear Mandate. The current Hokey Pokey Politics (one foot in, one foot out) gives Govt & Opposition perfect Excuses for Mismanagement.
Uncertainty has dragged Canada from "Minimally affected" to Unpredictable Deficits since onset of Economic Crisis, a situation which will not correct itself.


Vern AAFU-Oshawa spokesman
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The only 'good news' to Harper, is that his political party wasn't OUSTED by the Liberals. It's AMAZING what some politicians will do (co-operate with other party leaders), when their backs are against the wall....I love the bullying by the coalition!!! Keep up the good work....


fedup (no pun intended)
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I am so sick and tired of elections and threats for another one. What a waste of time and money (which is our money by the way). They act worse than spoiled children. The more time they keep calling elections (like in the past couple of elections),the less interested I am in voting. ( I have voted in every one so far...)These tactics that the opposition uses are like a bunch of bullies on a playground, forcing the conservative party to do what they want.


DS from Alberta
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I truly feel sorry for our Country!! We are so divided when it comes to Who we want in Parliament but there is one thing for sure - i could never vote Liberal. Iggy has not been in politics long enough. The Canadian people do not know what his platform is and yet they are so eager to vote for such a character. He should go back to Harvard and leave our country alone!! We are with you all the way Mr. Harper.


Hindusan Rajendran
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Well good on Ignatieff for avoiding an election and getting something from the government. I think he is the only leader that actually cares about Canadians. I still would like an election though, but maybe in the fall.


Ricardo
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What about the people that pay Unemployment all their life and never get to collect it? This is really not fair. A person in this case should be able to collect a major percentage of what he/she paid into this program.


Independently Minded
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@Prof. Pye Chartt

Oh Pye Chartt, your arrogance is only matched by your party's leader.

Here's a thought, maybe some are smart enough to understand how a minority parliament works.

Maybe, quite possibly, there are many who are not so embittered by the actions of the sitting PM as you.

Politically, this works to Harper's favor being characterized as obstinate and bullish on even the smallest of issues.

He needs to present himself in a different light if he hopes to garner any "new" votes outside his base.

He lost nothing and gained a bit of good P.R. in the process. He couldn't guarantee an election win and with a party that is getting very impatient with his lack of electoral success, that is dangerous for him.

An election this summer would likely have resulted in one of two scenarios, a Liberal minority or another Conservative minority. In the either instance I have little doubt the man would come under a partisan review and face possible replacement.

This is not something he wants. So long as he is sitting in the big chair he is untouchable by the impatient hawks in his own ranks.

Some could argue it's his own fault, others will choose to blame everyone else, that is irrelevant. Harper is probably feeling a LOT of pressure to come up big or get out of the way...

So far he is coming up short and the longer he keeps the big chair the longer he is safe and the longer he has to turn around his prospects.

Despite how the partisan hawks posting on this blog are saying he is playing with Iggy, the reality is that the Cons may have the cash, but not the support. Harper can't afford to bring in a third minority.

Mutually beneficial deal, IMO


John in Mississauga
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I'm 65 now and getting my Canada Pension which isn't a whole lot but with Harper's plan to allow self employed people to collect EI, guess what, I just became self employed and will submit premiums till I qualify and lay myself off when qualified and go on EI. It'll be 3 times what my pension will pay me. I could even teach my fellow seniors how to set this up so they too could it.

Dosen't anyone see EXACTLY how this can be abused so bad it would make the gun registry look like small potatoes.

This is bloody insane doing this. Trades folks in consruction that work piece work will absolutley love this one. Collect EI from one job and work piece work on another because when you work piece work there is no paper trail. Contracters declare piece workers as casual labour on thier taxes. I know, I worked piece work for 35 years and not once or ever was any kind of t-4 submitted to Rev Canada. It was always up to me as to how much income I reported and how much tax I paid. THIS WILL BE WIDE OPEN ABUSE AT IT'S FINEST AND IT WILL BE STUCK TO HARPER.


ticked off voter
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Under current ei regulations, they look at what has been made in the last 52 weeks of employment, so guess what, ya pay into it for 3 years and loose all that, that is crap, and what about the ones who have illness or injury while working or an illness not related to work and they only get 15 weeks standard and they are in therapy but they dont get the therapy until after there claim runs out, then what ,, all they are told is well law only provides for 15 weeks, after that it is social allowance,, dont bet on it,, fix it or do call an election, cause you guys are not helping anyone out,, all this double talk is bull, and you all know it,, i want to get back to work as fast as possible, but i am still in therapy, so fix ei and work on the sickness benefits too, or get the h out, cant wait till elections and see what happens,, libs you have a chance get off your butts,, cons have a chance do something worth while,, or leave.thanks from a ticked off voter


Diane M.
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This is how a minority government should work, with the party in power and the opposition working out a compromise.Kudos to both sides.


Independently Minded
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Ignatieff, on the other hand, has made a freshman mistake.

He cocked the gun and then found himself looking down his own barrel.

If he doesn't know it by now, he will be quickly reminded by the old party hawks that he is only going to be forgiven for "one" mistake like this.

They will not go down the Dion road again and will have no tolerance for a leader who does.

The truth of the matter is, that money is not the issue for the Libs. It's the lack of readiness to fight an election.

They have to fast track their candidates, particularly in the swing provinces of Quebec and Ontario.

Harper isn't stupid and that's why he called Iggy's bluff, but Harper has his own reasons for not letting the plug be pulled.

If you look at the deal, its apparent that it's a face saving panel to avert a summer election both leaders don't want and allow them to look cooperative to the boss and strong to their bases.

There will be an election in the fall, it all comes down to how ready each party will be to fight it.


Jim - Calgary
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There will no doubt be outrage over the following but I'm one of those who believes that UIC, in many instances, is an outright economic disincentive and can only add further to the current economic downturn.

I'm 70 years old next year, I have been in the workforce for 54 years, I go to work every day and yes I have been unemployed - twice and in both cases for more than one year while I sought employment in keeping with my professional training. I did not and would not collect UIC even though I had been forced to pay in to it. My wife and I have always lived within our means and saved for potentially rainy days. I also took on some very menial work during those periods to help make ends meet.

I seriously doubt that we would have talked about bringing down a sitting government over issues like this latest bit of nonsense if people would simply live within their means, save and be willing to look for work - even now it is out there in some form if you care to look for it. I guess I subscribe to lines in a song by the late Stan Rogers which states:

"I take nothing free,
And that makes me,
An Idiot, I suppose".

However, we live in an age of "entitlement" and we'll continue to pay even more for yet another "bailout".






Independently Minded
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Oops, I forgot to include BC in my list of Swing provinces.




zwinky
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I'm glad these two relatively unpopular leaders have agreed to work together and avoid another unproductive election.

Neither enjoys enough unqualified support or has enough new ideas at this time to bother with an election.

Both had best take their sorry poll nubers as an indication to do better in the future.


meerkat
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now if we could just get the mp's to play nicely like this for about 2 more years...

we'd all be better for it.



Bob
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The only thing that happened when Dion lost his leadership of the Liberal party was a new face. Ignatieff is nothing more than Dion in different clothes.

I left the Liberal party when Dion was leader and now there is no way I will go back.

Ignatieff is GUTLESS


pat in espo
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I agree wholeheartedly with "bruce in london". The media should stop creating "crises" to improve their ratings. A slow news day is good news as far as I'm concerned. We have enough crises going on in the world without media created ones.
Congratulations to both the Cons and the Libs for working together towards an EI solution. I'd have absolutely hated another election. It's so easy to be critical. Just ask the NDP & Bloc. It seems they vote against everything!


plail
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The optics of this are much better than those of the Dion Liberals repeatedly shuffling out of Parliament to avoid an election. Other than that, the results are the same.


Randy
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Let's face it - Iggy would force an election in a millisecond if he though he had a chance to win. That's it in a nutshell.

One problem he has though is too many folks remember all the corruption (i.e. - sponsorship scandal) the last time the Libs were in power (and when roll call was done in Parliament many Liberal mps didn't know whether to say "present" or "not guilty")

Iggy is just trying to look for or create an opportunity to get power - nothing else.


Dan
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