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Date: Tue. Jun. 2 2009 5:11 PM ET
Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says he's confident General Motors Corp. will turn its financial troubles around and pay the province back billions of dollars that were given to the company to ensure the success of its restructuring plan.
"We've really pushed them up against the wall in terms of the conditions we've exacted," he told a scrum of reporters at Queen's Park on Tuesday. "I think we've laid the foundation for a promising enterprise.
"I believe in time, this business will grow and that in time, we will recoup our shareholder investment," he added.
The federal government has said it will remain cautious in expecting the beleaguered company to reimburse the bailout loan but Canada's industry minister said Ottawa is already planning its "exit strategy," from GM.
GM was forced to file for bankruptcy protection as part of a restructuring plan. The U.S. and Canadian governments approved the plan and agreed to help get the company back on its feet with a US$40 billion loan. Canada and Ontario are responsible for $9.5 billion of the loan.
Industry Minister Tony Clement said he's hopeful GM will be back up and running as a privately held company in the next few years.
"We do have an exit strategy with the Obama administration, selling our equity stake over the next several years in chunks in an orderly transition into a company that will be privately held again," he said in an interview with Canada AM on Tuesday.
The "new" GM has been divided up between the U.S. government (60 per cent), the Canadian government (12.5 per cent), the United Auto Workers (17.5 per cent) and unsecured bondholders (10 per cent.)
He said both the U.S. and Canadian government approved a bailout loan for the struggling Detroit-based automaker because of the company's conservative estimates in their business plan.
"Basically they're saying car sales overall will be flatlined at 10 million units per year. That's what we were at at the depth of the recession last quarter," he said, speaking from Ottawa. "Every indication is that the car market is starting to rebound in the U.S. so we think this is a fairly conservative estimate.
"We have confidence in their numbers and as the car market improves, we can start getting our equity out," Clement said.
Clement said not approving a bailout loan would have forced the company out of Canada.
GM put deals in place
Officials at General Motors say they hope they can follow the lead of U.S. automaker Chrysler LLC who was also forced to file for bankruptcy protection at the end of April.
Industry analysts predict Chrysler could emerge from bankruptcy as early as this week after a judge overseeing the company's case approved a deal that would see the automaker's assets sold to Fiat.
Analysts believe GM had put several deals in place before filing for bankruptcy that will allow them to reorganize quickly.
"They had a lot of their ducks in a row because the terms of the government financing forced them to get all the parties to the table in a very, very short period of time," said Sharon Lindstrom, managing director at Protiviti, a business consulting firm.
GM worked feverishly to nail down a deal with their employees - going back to the bargaining table twice in Canada after the government ruled it had to make deeper cuts to its agreement with the Canadian Auto Workers Union.
The company also struck a deal with most of its bondholders and negotiated the sale of its Opel division in Europe all ahead of filing for bankruptcy Monday morning.
Late Monday night, GM China Group President Kevin Wale said the company is in the process of selling their Hummer brand. Plans for their Saturn brand will be announced in the coming weeks.
The U.S. government has said it expects GM to emerge from bankruptcy in two to three months.
"The record of the company over the last decade has not been a stellar one but new management is in there, they've already made a lot of important decisions," Clement said, referring to the number of operation cuts the company has announced. "It shows the seriousness of what GM is facing but also shows their serious about getting to the solutions as well."
Lessons from Chrysler
Lindstrom noted that the rival companies each face a different set of challenges. GM is a much larger and more complex operation than Chrysler, which makes the case a bit more complicated. However, Chrysler is facing a tight June 15 deadline with Fiat.
Nonetheless, GM CEO Fritz Henderson said the company has learned a few things from Chrysler's case.
"Certainly the court showed that it can address 363 (sale) transactions in an expeditious fashion," Henderson said Monday during a news conference. "Particularly in our case with what will be a very large 363 transaction."
During Monday's hearing, GM Attorney Harvey Miller said the automaker only has about $2 billion in cash left over. He said the company needs to go through the court process quickly in order to make a successful recovery.
"If there's going to be a recovery of value, it's absolutely crucial that a sale take place as soon as possible," Miller said in his opening statement.
GM's bankruptcy filing is the largest ever for an industrial company. The company, which says it has $172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets, will be back in court on June 30 for a sale hearing.
With files from The Associated Press and a report from CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.




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Don from Ottawa
said
On the bright side, I hear Chevy makes a good bucket. I need one to wash my Hyundai.
fitzz
said
The governments concerned can now kiss their gifts to GM, its unions and creditors goodbye.
Let's now see what really happens when the true bankruptcy and liquidation occurs, when governments will no longer be willing nor able to further interfere.
The market will continue to satisfy the demand for autos which will continue to exist. Neither the old GM nor the new GM will be building them, that's all!
Jon in London ON (a little sadder today)
said
And this ladies and gentlemen is how you nationalize your automobile industry. First the Financial then Insurance now this.
Can anyone explain how a government run GM will ever be in future a company you would buy stock in?
When he US government took over AMTRAK it was supposed to be for 5 years. That was 1970.
Good Luck y'all, I'm buying FORD.
Candu
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David
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I would but show me my stocks with my name on them so I can reap the so called rewards. As well does this mean the GM pensioners are double dipping now. Tax payers pay their pensions and own GM as well!!!!!!I will still buy Toyota 230,00kms,10yrs old and still running. Lets the BIG 3 top that
Remarkable
said
For those who wish that these people would lose their jobs, what would you if it were you in this position.
To wish that these people ill will is really heartless and cold. Sure, I know it's business, but be a little more sensative.
We can all point fingers and say who's to blame for all of this, but at the end of the day, we all work, to put food on our table and to have a warm dry home with a roof over our head.
Terry in Ottawa
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GK from Rockwood, ON
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Rob
said
Yet the bail-out support was the right thing to do... the alternative would have been the shutdown of GM operations in Canada and the ripple effect of parts suppliers & manufacturers.
However 2 troubling questions remain for me...
1) all of this is being blamed on the economic collapse, but I want to know how much GM was in the hole BEFORE last October. $172 billion in debt? Longstanding Mismanagement!
2) Why is the Ontario government bailing out the GM pension fund and legacy costs ($3B toward what has in part crippled GM and added $1500/vehicle to the purchase price & made GM non-competitive).
Necessary bailout... but doubts and questions remain.
Nancy: GM = Goverment Motors
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Wade Ens
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Brian - NEW OWNER expects better work ethic
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KJ in Kingston Ontario
said
HEY! WAIT!!! Is it to late to stop payment on the cheque…?
Given the history and the talent at GM -- they will likely now kill off every interesting, innovative or unique product in their line-up and try to produce an inferior Toyota Prius clone…
dave
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David
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Gord
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Joe Average has his tax deductions now go to the Ontario government who uses this tax revenue to top up the underfunded GM employees non contributory pension plan.
Joe Average Ontario taxpayer is very very unhappy. Does he have a right to be?
Big 3 Fan
said
"I will still buy Toyota 230,00kms,10yrs old and still running. Lets the BIG 3 top that "
David, 1994 Jeep cherokee. 450,000km's. only changed the fluids, brake pads and tires.
match and point.
All You Need Is Love
said
What responsibility have poor people in all that financial mess? NONE !
Next time you go to Tim Horton's, look at pace these employees have to work all day. No bonuses either. Tips, perhaps. Well deserved they are. But, even these little gesture of appreciation from clients are taxed by Revenu Canada.
Until such time as Executives (public and private) are truly hold responsible for the misery they have created for all of us, I say NO taxes should be taken from people who can barely make ends meet (if at all possible now...).
There is something profoundly immoral in taking any money from (mostly) women making a few bucks an hour to serve hot coffee and donuts to people sitting at the wheel of their expensive cars (many of which are now subsidized by the tax dollars of these poor women).
Shame, shame, shame !!!
bill smithers
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Terry in Ottawa
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GM forever
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My 1995 Buick Regal with a 3800 engine had 350,000k on it when i sold it. I replaced brakes and water pump 2 times and it was still running when i sold it for $100 bucks to kid for going back and forth to school and he is still driving it. GM make good cars and trucks i dont care what anyone says.
Anne
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brian/cobourg
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Autoworker
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dan
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Steve G
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My family has always purchased GM/Chevy trucks. Everyone of them had over 300000 kms (one is over 500000) kms, and far from being ready for the crusher, these trucks are still doing heavy work on farms and in the bush.
If you're impressed with getting 250K out of a Toyota, perhaps you should consider buying from other manufacturers.
Stan
said
But, then again, WE keep electing the same idiots to run the country and province!
Stuey
said
My daily driver is a Honda, HOWEVER: also have Chevy Silverado - 16 years old, 465,000km, original everything.
Start producing quality firts or you are dead!
said
For the last 50 years they have produced lots of questionable quality cars that are completly outdated.
Stop this non sense and start learning from Japaneese companies that took all thier business because they knew exactly what the customers were looking for!
GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
said
Take it from this lifelong mechanic who works on all makes of cars, domestics are head and shoulders above the imports despite what any import advertised/supported magazine or website or even your 1980s mentality tells you.
Imports cost more; their initial purchase, their cost to maintain, and the biggest cost of all is the social impact they have on our economy and standard of living.
Youre going to pay for GM and Chrysler one way or another, you should have been buying their cars in the past, but now for sure you'll be buying them in the future.
You folks foolish enough to buy imports just dont know whats good for Canada. Thankfully our government did.
Joe
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SG
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TOMA
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Canada Goose Whistler
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I know ford never received a bailout, but because they are CAW I won't be buying a ford either.
If the union was scrapped & wages cut in half, it would have been fair to tax payers.
If wage cost were at 75.00 & they dropped 22.00 then 53.00 Should be the new minimum wage through all of Canada for unskilled labor.
I'm a carpenter with thousands of tools 335 years experience.
Some one asked me to do some work yesterday, I told them the CAW at 53.00 for unskilled labor.
I have to charge 100.00 per hour to be at a competitive wage. I hope these CAW workers are going to be happy to pay my wage & I have to charge them 53.00 for my labor on top of the 100.00 per hour for my skilled help.
Were in a time when wages need to be cut, but this dysfunctional government puts billions into a bankrupt company, over 1 million per job.
This is the worst government in Canada's history.
Shamaro
said
How many people are on here who work for the public sector?
Some of their salaries within the public sector are way over the top, including their pensions, benefits etc.
I'm not a union member and I work in the public sector. My job is at risk all the time.
However there are so many hypocrites who put a post on here, who go on and on about this deal, who know absolutely nothing about the automotive industry.
Did you know, that if GM and Chryler were allowed to go bankrupt and liquidate, that there would be unemployment in that sector alone, in the six digits.
That's right, hundreds of thousands of people would be affected and that is only within the first few months.
After that, the ripple effect within a year would travel through the entire economy, wiping out many more jobs.
Say what you want, but that is what would happen. So be careful what you wish for people.
Our government was acting on behalf of all Canadians, protecting Canadian interest and the Canadian people in doing what they did.
You may not see it that way, but that is exactly what they did.
Maybe the public sector employee's should start doing what the CAW did and start cutting back their wages and benefits, to that "I", the taxpayer can have some of my money back.
As far as I'm concerned, the public sector employee's are the one's who are overpaid and underworked. Accept for the Canadian Armed Forces and the RCMP.
Wendy
said
I love it!!!
No thanks wouldn't buy government motors welfare junk.
Ford is CAW & UAW that's why I didn't even consider buying one. I'm buying new company vehicles too & of course they will be north American built Toyota's.
We can still make these welfare recipients go under by not buying their vehicles.
Joan
said
For years I’ve watched Buzz Hargrove, interviewed on national television, providing his opinion on the state of Canada. This union has been acting as an unelected political party or major lobbying body interfering in our country’s affairs for decades. As example, remember the years in which Buzz Hargrove called for general strikes to close Canadian cities including Hamilton. Unfortunately this union has long since placed its members in conflict with Canadian society so its no wonder many Canadians have chosen the non-political alternatives of Honda, Volkswagen, Toyota etc.
Perhaps the CAW can belly up and put their money where their mouths are by contributing bailout funds…or at least reducing their membership dues by say 50% to help their members through this time.
Shelley P.
said
These businesses all across Canada also employ a good part of the Canadian Workface.
Deb
said
1999 Grand Am, over 300,000kms
still running and no rust, top that!!
Middle Class dude!
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Saskmike
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And before the CAW people respond...My math may be off (for every 1 CAW job there are 6 others) 4,600 still working after all said and done(total 32,200). How many are gone already, 10,000(70,000 total)HHHUUMM?!!
American Iggy
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Our forefathers worked very hard to build GM into a world economic power.
Chrysler owner
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Samual
said
Still runs like a clock!!!
No union junk for me.
Ever!!!
ready to revolt
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Roger T
said
The Gov't has just wasted too much of taxpayers' money without any returns on a dead business. Sometimes stupid can really get even more stupid.
Poor quality, high price tags, high gas prices...just some factors.
End of the road.
Dennis F
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My father-in-law is driving our old 12 year old Dodge Neon. It has over 300,000km on it.
Anecdotes are cheap. They're especially worthless because people with old Hondas and Toyotas will do anything necessary to keep their vehicle running, based purely on the myth. "Domestic" owners usually just give it away and buy a new one.
Tired of all this crap!
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Frank Buchan (Vauxhall, Alberta by way of Ontario)
said
I still believe this "investment" was a mistake, and don't expect GM to exist in 5 to 7 years. They haven't changed their fundamental management, and it is a problem.
As for those who think this is about wishing ill on the workers; you're wrong. This is about inequity in a system that allows a vast number of people (who make less) to subsidize those who make more (and have benefits), while other public systems suffer for lack of funding. This is not a valid use of taxpayer money.
Sailorboy
said
The big stopper though was the need for almost a full engine rebuild with a quote of aprox $11,000 for the repairs, and they offered $2200 if I used it for a trade in on a new vehicle. When I tried to use my extended warranty for the fix, more troubles came up.
Thanks, but no thanks. As sad as I am to say it, I have gone foreign for my vehicle purchases.
Brent from BC
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Pip
said
Well, my Chevy Caprice Wagon is 17 years old, virtually no rust, 433,000km and still running fine and getting 9.5l/110km on the highway. Pity they cancelled it in '96 - I guess it wasn't enough of a gas guzzler.
Big Truck
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Disgusted Canadian
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boors. Your ignorance a lack of integrity is an embarrassment to all Canadians.
These men & woman that so many of you refer to as "greedy, uneducated monkeys", simply went to work to support their families. It disgusts me that they are reviled doing what everyone must.
There are tens of thousands of Canadians who have been affected indirectly by the demise of GM and Chysler who by simply living in cities and towns who rely on this industry are now faced with job loss and wage cuts.
Isn't wonderful that so many of this pages authors are the
living the dream, with their post secondary educations, no debt and job security?
I wonder how many of you "poisoned pen" authors can look in the mirror every morning and be satisfied with the person you are. I certainly hope I never have the misfortune of meeting any of you.
Adam in Ottawa
said
-the Oldsmobile Diesel 350 V8. Instead of taking the time to properly develop a purpose built diesel for use in passenger cars, GM MacGyvered the 350 gas powered V8 into a diesel. Ever wonder why even VW and Mercedes Benz could hardly ever sell their excellent Diesel engines in North America? Thanks to GM, most drivers equate "Diesel" with "unreliable piece of crap"!
-the Cadillac Cimarron. A Chevy Cavelier with a Cadillac crest glued to the hood and a price tag almost double that of the SAME CAR wearing the chevy bowtie!
-the Cadillac V4/6/8. Perhaps too far ahead of it's time...
-the Quad 4 OHV engine. Actually had the personal displeasure of owning one of these. Spent more time up on the hoist then sitting on the ground.
-the Pontiac Fiero. What else needs to be said?
-many more too numerous to list here.
Throughout this whole period, the Japanese only had one issue; premature rust through. By the late 80's they had pretty much solved that problem and were building excellent, reliable cars. GM on the other hand was still designing and building crap and pawning it off on their customers, some of whom were so completely loyal that they refused to buy anything else even as they experienced issue after issue. The new CEO conceded today that many customers were driven away from GM in the past due to it's poor products and customer service. Now he wants the car buying public to give GM yet another chance. Whether or not they do will dictate whether or not GM rebounds. Better do things right this time Guys!
Mark H.
said
let's get real GM drivers !!!
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D.K.
said
GM still owes $172 Billion and has only $80 billion in assets . THEY ARE BANKRUPT....PERIOD
Alberta Redneck
said
On another front, while not a strong unionist, I did hear what old Buzz Hargrove had to say about the trade imbalance between our economy and the Japanese, Korean, and even the Chinese economies. In fact, many of our products face tariff barriers and outright prohibition against things like North American cars. Buzz is right. Our governments (US too) have said, OK, were tough. So we will tie both our hands behind our backs and then go into battle with those poor nations in Asia. It is the same in high tech. The Indians started by being the call centres for a myriad of companies. Now they are taking all that knowledge and stepping out on their own. In twenty years, they may be siting their call centres in the wasteland that is North America. Trade MUST be bilateral and where they put up barriers, reciprocal barriers have to be instituted. Watch the Japanese and the Korean car companies scream if we had the guts to say...no imports into North America allowed.
GM can make cars as good or better than any of the Japanese products if they had a fair marketplace. They do not and now that the governments are involved maybe they will wake up and smell the coffee.
CAW! CAW! CAW!
said
NO!
This taxpayer-funded bailout of the CAW will keep greedy unionists in the posh life style they have become accustomed to living in, while others need to produce something worth buying to earn our living.
MuskyBuck
said
Please sir, do explain to us all how anyones choice of what they buy, be it a hyundai or a pair of jeans related in anyway to what situation our 'economy' is in.
Your comment best displays why average people shouldn't have an opinion.
If you need a reminder here ya go.
Our economy is in the mess it's in because in the 80's Reagan removed all regulation attached to banking and mortgage.
This allowed every greedy little jerk with a notion for money and no sense of danger to do what they wanted when they wanted.
This involved every sector of banking and credit for the past 25 years...
But you seem to think it's because of us and our choice of consumables.
Grow up.
Robert in Courtice
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Marco, Newmarket
said
In 2008 I decided to give GM another try. I bought a brand new 2008 Malibu. It now has 110,000 km's on it. It is still as tight as the day I drove it off the lot, and has never seen the dealer. I'm proud to say that GM after building years of crap, is now finally on par with Honda and Toyota in terms of quality.
I don't for a second support the unions and never will. However, I was glad to give GM another try and I think more and more people should, because they're vehicles really are that much better now. And for those people who think they are doing a wonderful thing by buying a Canadian built built Japaneese car, guess where the money goes. Yes, you are employing Canadians, but the profit goes straight back to the home land. Your still supporting Japan, not Canada. From now on, my vehicles will be GM. Buying a foreign car is like shooting yourself if the foot and wondering why your losing blood. It's about time we started supporting our own and I encourage everyone to buy a Ford, GM, or Chrysler as their next vehicle.
And no, don't work for a car company, and do not work for the public sector.
LH
said
Who do you think employs those minimum wage workers? Big companies! If the big companies were wiped out, who would pay the workers? The government. And ultimately us, the taxpayers. Plus those on minimum wage don't really pay taxes, they get most of it back at tax time and certainly are not taxed as much as higher paid employees.
Thanks to those sticking up for the quality of the Big 3 cars/trucks. They do make a good product, I have had a few GMs and one Ford, the GMs were better, but the Ford had over 300,000 kms on it, and I had a Cavalier with over 200,000, only thing I had to do to the Cavalier was maintenance, still had everything original.
In regards to the "unfair competition", I think what they are referring to is the fact that our governments allow the imports in, yet the North American manufacturers are not allowed to sell their products in Asia. I don't know about you, but there does seem to be something not right about that. However, it makes it more impressive that GM was, until recently, the highest selling manufacturer in the world, pretty impressive given that they are shut out of a major market that Toyota has full access to. Guess people do want to buy their cars/trucks/suvs after all. Which is pretty obvious since the foreign manufacturers have started making trucks/suvs too, copied the Big 3 actually, guess people do want those vehicles, despite what is often said on this blog.
Tired of being broke
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Molly
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Dean
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Keith in Brampton
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As to the raging foreign/domestic debate raging here, I've owned an equal number of US- and Asian-branded vehicles (they're all "foreign"); only one - the Civic - was Canadian-built, and at leas two of the "Asians" were US-built. With the exception of a Mazda-branded Ford (which was the worst of all of them) the Asian-branded ones were of much higher quality than the US-branded ones.
I'll buy what meets my needs, regardless of where it's built. If the Detroit 3 want my business, build reliable, fuel-efficient vehicles that don't look & feel cheap. It's that simple.
rickinclayton
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Steve the Pundit
said
Because it sure isn't going to happen in our lifetimes...
Lisa from Cambridge
said
We are free to buy from who has the best product for our needs, no one car company is perfect; the real problem with the big 3 has been poor management for so many years; they have dug themselves a big hole and can't get out.
Vince M
said
If you remember the feds once owned Petrocan and no self-respecting person working in the oil patch would ever fill their cars from a government-owned pump. Same with cars!
Bill in BC
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Glenn
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Better
said
nope, you lose.
52 Mercedes Benz 300, purchased new by me. routine Maintenance costs only-never needed a major repair. No rust either - and I drive in NOVA SCOTIA the salt & rust capital of the world! 1,239,721 MILES not KMs.
don't even bother to play the game, the big 3 will never even place.
KJ in Kingston Ontario
said
The survival of GM from this point forward will do more harm to the economy, the environment and the social fabric of North America than any minor benefit from its survival. To think more than half of ALL CORPORATE TAXES paid in Canada is being placed into the bank accounts of two corporations to help them survive and therefore compete against other companies that are trying operate in the open marketplace is totally preposterous.
It is the Lehman Brothers fear factor that allows this outrage to play out and it is permitted by spineless cowardly leadership at all levels.
Decon
said
There is no way we are getting this money back.
This like giving money to Air Canada + Nortel -- kiss it goodbye
Red
said
C in the O.
said
I think I hear the sound of flushing in the background.
Ed L
said
We're cruel for not feeling sorry for auto workers? Baloney. Why should the poor feel sorry for the rich who have been extorting their money for many years? The union has a monopoly on labour at the Detroit companies. Anyone willing to work for less is prevented from doing so, and the union goons don't even need to slash their tires anymore.
GM makes quality vehicles? Baloney. Some are, sure, but Consumers Reports surveys 10's of thousands of people and the US products consistently rank at the bottom. Besides, if GM cars were so good, they'd have sold a lot more and never would have gotten into this fix.
It's the government's fault for letting GM not put in the pension money. Baloney.
Well, there is some truth in that, but come on, the union knew about this for the last almost 20 years and said nothing. If you didn't get paid for 20 years, would you just ignore it and then blame the gov't?
Harper is the bad guy here. Well, yes, he is, but McGuinty is standing right beside him on this. Where's his blame? And where's Iggy? Gone home to Boston?
We're all part owners. Baloney. Where do I sell my shares? How can I be a part owner of something I can't dump?
It goes on... there's enough baloney coming from union HQ to feed a small country.
Chris D
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Enough Already!!
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Jackie
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Mar
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Sorry, not a CAW member. I do find it interesting that you believe that people that disagree with you or have had a different experience than you must have an ulterior motive. I have had many domestic vehicles, many with hundreds of thousands of kilometres (and they are cars, not trucks) and they were perfectly fine. My mom had a chevette that had well over 300,000 and no major repairs, just maintenance, tires and windshield wiper blades. I am not CAW, don't even like the CAW, but I am still telling the truth based on what really happened. And I live in the West, so no, I don't work in any capacity for the auto manufacturers. However, I also know people that have had their volkswagens break down within months of owning them, another friend with a lemon of a Honda, and another friend who traded in their Rav4 because they drove an Equinox and liked it much better. So, while import manufacturers make good cars, so do the Big 3. Why does it have to be one way or the other? Buy what best suits your needs and what you like the look of the best. But please stop bashing those who have made the choice to buy from the Big 3, or who have had good experiences with the Big 3, they do make great cars/trucks/suvs, whether or not you personally like them. Plus, it is impossible to fight the facts that the Big 3 sell cars to a huge market every year, obviously lots of people like them.
And thank you Marco, Newmarket, I totally agree.
Henyk M. Szydlowski
said
It isn’t going to solve anything by throwing 10 billion Canadian dollars at an industry that has become wholly obsolete when smaller markets such as hydrogen cells, bio-diesel, and electric powered cars are obviously the way of the future, yet these emerging industries struggle daily with funding and bureaucratic red tape. Ask any university in the country what they could produce with 10 billion dollars and I’m sure it would amount to a heck of a lot more than the next to NO NEW TECHNOLOGY that GM has produced in this century or the last.
It would seem that all these smaller markets require is a catalyst; Research dollars towards cost effective production (10 billion dollars), places to test and build their products efficiently (the vacant sales floors and factories popping up across N. America), and a lot of people willing to work for a living (the tens of thousands of hard working Canadians and Americans that have lost what’s most important, their livelihood). If fact all of the jobs lost by the failure of this one archaic industry would then become available to the very same people that have dedicated their lives (and backs) to something that they believe in an in turn humanity regains something we had lost 100+ years ago, choice.
We live in fear of what will happen in the right now because we have all forgotten that life was fine before oil hungry tycoons took over our lives with the promises of speed and dare I say it, reliability , that our health was fine before pharmaceutical companies destroyed our immune systems with the promise of a more enriched life.
Aren’t the most precious moments in life those that last forever?
If we keep burning the very blood of our dear planet, our only planet, there will be no forever. If we continue to eat bugs to kill bugs they win. These business giants bank on our thoughts not looking past tomorrow but I have somewhere to be in the future as do you all and when I finally arrive I want it to be there, beautiful and intact, they way our forefathers left it for their sons and daughters all those years ago.
We all have a stake in this regardless of politics, race, age, or sexuality. This one irresponsible act threatens the lives of 6 billion people world wide because that 10 billion CAD plus the even greater amount of USD is no longer available for education, arts, advancement in healthy living, preservation of our forests and waterways, as well a the millions of hungry and homeless children and adults across our great continent.
I say “let them fail and emerging markets will prevail” because if we allow them to guilt us out of our hard earned money they will fail again and again and then we lose the most important thing there is, our world.
Sitting here laughing
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BMM
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The rewards you reap by buying a GM will be realized when the company is back on its feet. At that time they will repay their loan, continue to employ thousands of Canadians either directly or indirectly and continue to add to the billions of $ that they have already paid into our tax coffers.
BTW – My 1998 Chev pickup just passed the 320,000 Km mark and is still going strong and my wife’s Malibu is running great with 260,000 km on it. In fact that they are both running LIKE A ROCK!
Ryan from Victoria
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Do the Math
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Then again, 12.5% of 0 = 0
LF
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Catharine
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Well first, I am not. I do not have to buy a GM product.
but now McGuinty thinks we're stupid too? Come ON!
It will take GM at least 10 years to recover consumer confidence, if at all.
I just can't see a miraculous recovery.
Brad
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Nancy: Toronto author of its own misfortune
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I could put a vote Liberal sign on Kim Jung Il and he would get votes in Toronto.
stevel
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Hahahahahaha
Doug BC
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For Canada,there really was little choice.If Harper had opted out,ALL GM and Chrysler jobs could then go to the USA and Canada would have been left with no jobs in that industry.And of course the spin-off jobs would evaporate very quickly after Chapter 7.
GM has some great new cars on the market,and on the drawing board.The electric car is a start.They have fuel cell technology well under way,dual mode hybrid power for theio SUV's and pick up trucks,etc,etc.I'm not sure about how this deal will eventually work out,but I won't use my original opposition as an excuse to bash GM's quality.I drove one of their pick up trucks almost 17 years,and 500,000 kilometers.The one I have now is working flawlessly as well.But I must say,I will have trust issues if they build the next generation of trucks in Mexico.But,then again,I don't see any decent import pick up trucks.At least not trucks meant for real work.
But it's not ONLY unions who caused this debacle.The government in the USA holds smoe blame for their flawed credit market,the collapse on Wall Street,and their phony banking regulations.I also think McGuinty has to contribute to pensions because he relaxed those pension rules to help out the auto industry.Now those chickens have come home to roost.
All in all,we must all hope it works.
Ki-Som Victoria BC
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DLH Kingston
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Bought it in 1992 with 38000 km
Drive it for 5 years and put another 350000 km on it.
Maintenance, brakes and clutch is all it EVER needed.I put snowtires on it and it never got stuck in the snow. People on my street would wait for me the go to work so they could drive down my tire tracks.I sold it to a kid who delivered newspapers in it for 2 years and then turned it into a demolition derby car.Stop blaming people who buy foreign make cars for downfall of GM. "Foreign made" thats a funny term, when it comes to the car, to some its EVIL. But look around your house, office, where ever you are I'll bet 75% of everything you see is foreign made mostly foreign made in China.At least South Korea and Japan are Democracies
Besides am I the only one that can see a company can't loss 100's of millions of dollars a year for a decade
and be financially sound
THE Fatman
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'1999 Grand Am, over 300,000kms
still running and no rust, top that!!'
1998 Buick Century, 225,000 km, intake manifold gasket replaced twice for $1500. - $1,700., front wheel bearing shot at 75,000 km repairs at $500., paint peeling for last 100,000 km., no repair, just leaving it to let people see high quality of GM - gag -, can't keep turn signal bulbs and sockets in the thing, cost in sockets and bulbs,$300. to date, etc. etc. etc.
(And I was a GM fanatic for over 45 years!)
Now and forevermore in this house GM = Garbage Motors.
Now, TOP THAT!
Mark
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WelfareMotors
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willi43
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Patricia
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GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
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If you want to talk mileage, you better look at Dodge P/Us with the Cummins Diesel. Theres many out the with more miles than your Mercedes relic, plus they haul a load and will actually accelerate going uphill. A feat your old farm tractor can only accomplish going downhill, plus you can actually sell them because people want to buy them. Not so sure your import can do that.
Chrysler, GM, and Ford build the best.
Murray@Cobourg
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lorne fr Agassiz
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Now here is another poliction would doesn't know the truth if it jump out n bit him.
Canadians have already stated they will not buy GM. for whatever reason they have, they have spoken. They will not buy GM. so please tell me how GM will recover when nobody is buying there product.
The 2 government /Ontario Premier Dalton and/Harper's Conseratives have started a card game called cutthroat canadians and they are the 2 jokers!
RIna
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From experience, Japanese and European cars, vans & SUVs are way better than North American's but NA trucks hold the advantage when it comes to 6/8 cylinder trucks.
People will buy vehicles they think, feel and experienced of good qulity and worth of their money. They don't really care if it's domestic or import.
The problem...
The 3 parties (government, GM management & union) have to be blamed for what happened. The government was aware of the pension underfunding and didn't much about it. The GM management failed to manage the company to sustain its market hold and to control its employees demands. The union thought they deserved so much and kept on threatening to go on stike if they don't get what they want.
Moving forward...
The government should no longer allow the underfunding and closely monitor what's going on in the company. The GM management should really use their brains on how they can attract consumers and how they can make some cost savings. And for the unions, if you are not getting what you want, pack your things up and leave. Don't threaten the company that you will do this or that if you think you are not getting what you deserve. For sure, if someone offers you a better compensation while working for GM, you are free to leave and grab that offer. GM will not go on strike if you leave the company. So, it's just fair that you leave the company if you get a better offer from another company or if you are not getting what you want. If you are not getting what you want from GM and there's no other company out there which can offer you what you are hoping for, then it only means that you don't deserve it.
Yippy a New Car
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still going
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Big Fan 3:
Well my 1968 buick has
1,239,726 miles not Ks
still driving it today i think i maybe putting another 25 miles on it
just another supporter
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I would bet that 90% of the people writing on this blog were part of the 40,000 or so who stood in line to get a job at GM only to be shut out. There is not one person on here who would not take a job making what an Autoworker makes. i would bet my JOB on it.
NO ONE MADE A COMENT ON THIS COMENT I WONDER WHY?
observing
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sales for GM were up in April 11%!! saying no one will buy GM products is just foolish. Maybe not as many but no one please.
MAD AS HELL
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