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Date: Tue. Jun. 2 2009 5:11 PM ET

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says he's confident General Motors Corp. will turn its financial troubles around and pay the province back billions of dollars that were given to the company to ensure the success of its restructuring plan.

"We've really pushed them up against the wall in terms of the conditions we've exacted," he told a scrum of reporters at Queen's Park on Tuesday. "I think we've laid the foundation for a promising enterprise.

"I believe in time, this business will grow and that in time, we will recoup our shareholder investment," he added.

The federal government has said it will remain cautious in expecting the beleaguered company to reimburse the bailout loan but Canada's industry minister said Ottawa is already planning its "exit strategy," from GM.

GM was forced to file for bankruptcy protection as part of a restructuring plan. The U.S. and Canadian governments approved the plan and agreed to help get the company back on its feet with a US$40 billion loan. Canada and Ontario are responsible for $9.5 billion of the loan.

Industry Minister Tony Clement said he's hopeful GM will be back up and running as a privately held company in the next few years.

"We do have an exit strategy with the Obama administration, selling our equity stake over the next several years in chunks in an orderly transition into a company that will be privately held again," he said in an interview with Canada AM on Tuesday.

The "new" GM has been divided up between the U.S. government (60 per cent), the Canadian government (12.5 per cent), the United Auto Workers (17.5 per cent) and unsecured bondholders (10 per cent.)

He said both the U.S. and Canadian government approved a bailout loan for the struggling Detroit-based automaker because of the company's conservative estimates in their business plan.

"Basically they're saying car sales overall will be flatlined at 10 million units per year. That's what we were at at the depth of the recession last quarter," he said, speaking from Ottawa. "Every indication is that the car market is starting to rebound in the U.S. so we think this is a fairly conservative estimate.

"We have confidence in their numbers and as the car market improves, we can start getting our equity out," Clement said.

Clement said not approving a bailout loan would have forced the company out of Canada.

GM put deals in place

Officials at General Motors say they hope they can follow the lead of U.S. automaker Chrysler LLC who was also forced to file for bankruptcy protection at the end of April.

Industry analysts predict Chrysler could emerge from bankruptcy as early as this week after a judge overseeing the company's case approved a deal that would see the automaker's assets sold to Fiat.

Analysts believe GM had put several deals in place before filing for bankruptcy that will allow them to reorganize quickly.

"They had a lot of their ducks in a row because the terms of the government financing forced them to get all the parties to the table in a very, very short period of time," said Sharon Lindstrom, managing director at Protiviti, a business consulting firm.

GM worked feverishly to nail down a deal with their employees - going back to the bargaining table twice in Canada after the government ruled it had to make deeper cuts to its agreement with the Canadian Auto Workers Union.

The company also struck a deal with most of its bondholders and negotiated the sale of its Opel division in Europe all ahead of filing for bankruptcy Monday morning.

Late Monday night, GM China Group President Kevin Wale said the company is in the process of selling their Hummer brand. Plans for their Saturn brand will be announced in the coming weeks.

The U.S. government has said it expects GM to emerge from bankruptcy in two to three months.

"The record of the company over the last decade has not been a stellar one but new management is in there, they've already made a lot of important decisions," Clement said, referring to the number of operation cuts the company has announced. "It shows the seriousness of what GM is facing but also shows their serious about getting to the solutions as well."

Lessons from Chrysler

Lindstrom noted that the rival companies each face a different set of challenges. GM is a much larger and more complex operation than Chrysler, which makes the case a bit more complicated. However, Chrysler is facing a tight June 15 deadline with Fiat.

Nonetheless, GM CEO Fritz Henderson said the company has learned a few things from Chrysler's case.

"Certainly the court showed that it can address 363 (sale) transactions in an expeditious fashion," Henderson said Monday during a news conference. "Particularly in our case with what will be a very large 363 transaction."

During Monday's hearing, GM Attorney Harvey Miller said the automaker only has about $2 billion in cash left over. He said the company needs to go through the court process quickly in order to make a successful recovery.

"If there's going to be a recovery of value, it's absolutely crucial that a sale take place as soon as possible," Miller said in his opening statement.

GM's bankruptcy filing is the largest ever for an industrial company. The company, which says it has $172.81 billion in debt and $82.29 billion in assets, will be back in court on June 30 for a sale hearing.

With files from The Associated Press and a report from CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss

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Don from Ottawa
said

The only value in General Motors will be found through Chapter 7 liquidation.

On the bright side, I hear Chevy makes a good bucket. I need one to wash my Hyundai.


fitzz
said

This is just dreaming in technicolor with quadraphonic sound!

The governments concerned can now kiss their gifts to GM, its unions and creditors goodbye.

Let's now see what really happens when the true bankruptcy and liquidation occurs, when governments will no longer be willing nor able to further interfere.

The market will continue to satisfy the demand for autos which will continue to exist. Neither the old GM nor the new GM will be building them, that's all!


Jon in London ON (a little sadder today)
said

The best part of the article and the most telling: Everyone gets a piece of the "New GM" except the original stockholders. They are wiped out.

And this ladies and gentlemen is how you nationalize your automobile industry. First the Financial then Insurance now this.

Can anyone explain how a government run GM will ever be in future a company you would buy stock in?

When he US government took over AMTRAK it was supposed to be for 5 years. That was 1970.

Good Luck y'all, I'm buying FORD.


Candu
said

For all of the inevitable comments about 'never purchasing a GM or Chrysler again', they might want to reconsider: we are all now part owners of 2 car companies! Wouldn't you want to support the company you (partly) own?


David
said

Candu
I would but show me my stocks with my name on them so I can reap the so called rewards. As well does this mean the GM pensioners are double dipping now. Tax payers pay their pensions and own GM as well!!!!!!I will still buy Toyota 230,00kms,10yrs old and still running. Lets the BIG 3 top that


Remarkable
said

So many people I have read on these comments, who hope that 12000 people here in Canada will be put out of a job, along with every other business that is directly or indirectly involved with this industry which would easily add up into the six digit figures.

For those who wish that these people would lose their jobs, what would you if it were you in this position.

To wish that these people ill will is really heartless and cold. Sure, I know it's business, but be a little more sensative.

We can all point fingers and say who's to blame for all of this, but at the end of the day, we all work, to put food on our table and to have a warm dry home with a roof over our head.


Terry in Ottawa
said

I am not sure how I feel about this! Regardless of how well the new or the current Government Motors products are built I do not think they will gain back market share for many years and they do not have many years. I for one do not like to pay for a car twice, once through my taxes and again at the dealer. Also I would think it will be hard/expensive for the to raise capital outside of Government handouts in the future. Public Relations of the Company and UAW/CAW have been a major problem and wil continue to be in the future. I cannot see myself investing or purchasing a vehcle in the future.


GK from Rockwood, ON
said

To Don from "Ottawa"....keep driving your foriegn built Hyundai....it is partly because of people like you that the economy is the way it is. The other part is the gready unions at the automakers....


Rob
said

Of all the comments made yesterday, Stephen Harper's was about the most realistic... "we enter into this assuming a 100% loss of return on our investment". - meaning that he does not expect that Canadian taxpayers will ever be re-paid.

Yet the bail-out support was the right thing to do... the alternative would have been the shutdown of GM operations in Canada and the ripple effect of parts suppliers & manufacturers.

However 2 troubling questions remain for me...
1) all of this is being blamed on the economic collapse, but I want to know how much GM was in the hole BEFORE last October. $172 billion in debt? Longstanding Mismanagement!

2) Why is the Ontario government bailing out the GM pension fund and legacy costs ($3B toward what has in part crippled GM and added $1500/vehicle to the purchase price & made GM non-competitive).

Necessary bailout... but doubts and questions remain.


Nancy: GM = Goverment Motors
said

GM = Goverment Motors




Wade Ens
said

The Union Wins, unions are just a group of socialists more interested in their political agenda than people. Like Hutterites, Socialists beleive in cummunal overship of everything and now they have a goverment owning the business they must be happy.


Brian - NEW OWNER expects better work ethic
said

As part owner, a few things are going to change #1 anybody with a beer guy isn't working hard enough and #2 two anybody who drives a foreign made car while living on Government had outs will be invited to resign. #3 any strike and I will not be happy. #4 I expect the CAW Pension fund to invest in GM.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

Well -- there is one big oh oh moment in that story: GM made twice as many cars as Chrysler made last year but according to the story it had about 4.5 times the work force -- isn't that a reverse economy of scale…? Shouldn't your product production to employee ratio DECREASE with higher production volumes…?

HEY! WAIT!!! Is it to late to stop payment on the cheque…?

Given the history and the talent at GM -- they will likely now kill off every interesting, innovative or unique product in their line-up and try to produce an inferior Toyota Prius clone…


dave
said

agree with Wade. now truly too big to fail. they can be like the cbc. Paid double what the industry is and do half the work and claim Canadian identity. Well if a free market and survival of the fittest then let nature take its course. I never signed up to pay a ton of extra cash for a vehicle I will never drive.


David
said

Just think if the government took all the bailout money it would have bailed out every Canadian and we could have bought a brand new American owned company car!


Gord
said

So Joe Average who gets his GM shares owned through his mutual funds or pension plan is wiped out.
Joe Average has his tax deductions now go to the Ontario government who uses this tax revenue to top up the underfunded GM employees non contributory pension plan.
Joe Average Ontario taxpayer is very very unhappy. Does he have a right to be?


Big 3 Fan
said

David
"I will still buy Toyota 230,00kms,10yrs old and still running. Lets the BIG 3 top that "

David, 1994 Jeep cherokee. 450,000km's. only changed the fluids, brake pads and tires.

match and point.



All You Need Is Love
said

It seems profoundly unjust to take even one tax dollar from a minimum wage worker to give it to big companies.

What responsibility have poor people in all that financial mess? NONE !

Next time you go to Tim Horton's, look at pace these employees have to work all day. No bonuses either. Tips, perhaps. Well deserved they are. But, even these little gesture of appreciation from clients are taxed by Revenu Canada.

Until such time as Executives (public and private) are truly hold responsible for the misery they have created for all of us, I say NO taxes should be taken from people who can barely make ends meet (if at all possible now...).

There is something profoundly immoral in taking any money from (mostly) women making a few bucks an hour to serve hot coffee and donuts to people sitting at the wheel of their expensive cars (many of which are now subsidized by the tax dollars of these poor women).

Shame, shame, shame !!!


bill smithers
said

i can't believe i live in a country where so many people wish bad things on people who worked for a company like g.m. do you think the workers had anything to do with this. what ever happened to cheering for the underdog! remember, if it lives and makes money, we as CANADIANS get our money back!


Terry in Ottawa
said

It should be those of the socialist leaning should be allowed to put their money where their mouth is and those that have a problem with keeping a bad company alive should not have to. How about a correcting action on the part of the government through taxation. If you want to give money indicate on your tax form and if there is a profit down the road you would share in the postive. Those that decline would not be impacted at all.


GM forever
said

David
My 1995 Buick Regal with a 3800 engine had 350,000k on it when i sold it. I replaced brakes and water pump 2 times and it was still running when i sold it for $100 bucks to kid for going back and forth to school and he is still driving it. GM make good cars and trucks i dont care what anyone says.


Anne
said

Some of you are saying that some of us are mean for voicing outrage. Well, it is NOT right that 3billion of Ont taxpayer dollars went into the GM pension fund. So many others lost pensions and no one cared, so many do not even have pensions. GM workers were like the grasshoppers playing in the sun while the ants did all the work preparing for the winter. Now their hands are out, saying that we owe them their pensions. Well, we do not. Period. It's not right.


brian/cobourg
said

To Don from Ottawa,Hyundai made a real bucket called the Pony.I haven't seen to many around lately.What a lemon.


Autoworker
said

I would bet that 90% of the people writing on this blog were part of the 40,000 or so who stood in line to get a job at GM only to be shut out. There is not one person on here who would not take a job making what an Autoworker makes. i would bet my JOB on it.


dan
said

free trade supposed to be fair/hummmmm lets see the u.s kicks in 50 billion to gm,but gm is closing 13 plants,canadian gov kicks in 12 billion an close truck plant an windsor in 2010.mexico has 4 plants no closures an their goverment dosen,t kick in a cent to help gm,is that fair?


Steve G
said

David
My family has always purchased GM/Chevy trucks. Everyone of them had over 300000 kms (one is over 500000) kms, and far from being ready for the crusher, these trucks are still doing heavy work on farms and in the bush.

If you're impressed with getting 250K out of a Toyota, perhaps you should consider buying from other manufacturers.


Stan
said

Now that we've bailed out GM with taxpayer money, I am waiting patiently for my stock cetificates to arrive in the mail. And I still haven't heard any plans about getting rid of the idiotic executives who put the company in the toilet to begin with. You'd think the government would have made SOME business demands before handing over our money.
But, then again, WE keep electing the same idiots to run the country and province!


Stuey
said

To tack on to "Big 3 Fan" in response to David,

My daily driver is a Honda, HOWEVER: also have Chevy Silverado - 16 years old, 465,000km, original everything.


Start producing quality firts or you are dead!
said

GM does not need speedy sale they need to produce quality cars that are in line with customers demands.

For the last 50 years they have produced lots of questionable quality cars that are completly outdated.

Stop this non sense and start learning from Japaneese companies that took all thier business because they knew exactly what the customers were looking for!


GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
said

I tried to warn you guys to buy domestic.

Take it from this lifelong mechanic who works on all makes of cars, domestics are head and shoulders above the imports despite what any import advertised/supported magazine or website or even your 1980s mentality tells you.

Imports cost more; their initial purchase, their cost to maintain, and the biggest cost of all is the social impact they have on our economy and standard of living.

Youre going to pay for GM and Chrysler one way or another, you should have been buying their cars in the past, but now for sure you'll be buying them in the future.

You folks foolish enough to buy imports just dont know whats good for Canada. Thankfully our government did.


Joe
said

Canadian Government had better sell at a profit. Us Taxpayers cannot afford to support what we cannot afford to purchase...


SG
said

Why does the UAW control more of the "new GM" then the Canadian gov? I'm pretty sure they haven't given the company 9 billion. Or was it 12... 15... ???


TOMA
said

Canada was suppose to get a 20% production share for our $10 billion investment. It is now beeing stated as 16%. What happened to the 4% ? Again we are giving billions of taxpayer $$$$ for more plant closures and layoff's.


Canada Goose Whistler
said

Sorry Ford!!!
I know ford never received a bailout, but because they are CAW I won't be buying a ford either.
If the union was scrapped & wages cut in half, it would have been fair to tax payers.
If wage cost were at 75.00 & they dropped 22.00 then 53.00 Should be the new minimum wage through all of Canada for unskilled labor.
I'm a carpenter with thousands of tools 335 years experience.
Some one asked me to do some work yesterday, I told them the CAW at 53.00 for unskilled labor.
I have to charge 100.00 per hour to be at a competitive wage. I hope these CAW workers are going to be happy to pay my wage & I have to charge them 53.00 for my labor on top of the 100.00 per hour for my skilled help.
Were in a time when wages need to be cut, but this dysfunctional government puts billions into a bankrupt company, over 1 million per job.
This is the worst government in Canada's history.


Shamaro
said

I wonder how many people are on here commenting who belong to unions?

How many people are on here who work for the public sector?

Some of their salaries within the public sector are way over the top, including their pensions, benefits etc.

I'm not a union member and I work in the public sector. My job is at risk all the time.

However there are so many hypocrites who put a post on here, who go on and on about this deal, who know absolutely nothing about the automotive industry.

Did you know, that if GM and Chryler were allowed to go bankrupt and liquidate, that there would be unemployment in that sector alone, in the six digits.

That's right, hundreds of thousands of people would be affected and that is only within the first few months.

After that, the ripple effect within a year would travel through the entire economy, wiping out many more jobs.

Say what you want, but that is what would happen. So be careful what you wish for people.

Our government was acting on behalf of all Canadians, protecting Canadian interest and the Canadian people in doing what they did.

You may not see it that way, but that is exactly what they did.

Maybe the public sector employee's should start doing what the CAW did and start cutting back their wages and benefits, to that "I", the taxpayer can have some of my money back.

As far as I'm concerned, the public sector employee's are the one's who are overpaid and underworked. Accept for the Canadian Armed Forces and the RCMP.


Wendy
said

I bought a brand new new American built Toyota yesterday.
I love it!!!

No thanks wouldn't buy government motors welfare junk.

Ford is CAW & UAW that's why I didn't even consider buying one. I'm buying new company vehicles too & of course they will be north American built Toyota's.

We can still make these welfare recipients go under by not buying their vehicles.


Joan
said

I have read the many comments showing the ferocity at which the writers commit to never buying GM cars again or voting to overturn the political parties who support this ten billion dollar throw away. Why so much animosity about these car companies and the CAW?

For years I’ve watched Buzz Hargrove, interviewed on national television, providing his opinion on the state of Canada. This union has been acting as an unelected political party or major lobbying body interfering in our country’s affairs for decades. As example, remember the years in which Buzz Hargrove called for general strikes to close Canadian cities including Hamilton. Unfortunately this union has long since placed its members in conflict with Canadian society so its no wonder many Canadians have chosen the non-political alternatives of Honda, Volkswagen, Toyota etc.

Perhaps the CAW can belly up and put their money where their mouths are by contributing bailout funds…or at least reducing their membership dues by say 50% to help their members through this time.




Shelley P.
said

Now that the government is in the businness of bailing out companies what about all the small to midsized companies having trouble.
These businesses all across Canada also employ a good part of the Canadian Workface.


Deb
said

David

1999 Grand Am, over 300,000kms
still running and no rust, top that!!


Middle Class dude!
said

The Big 3 and North American Auto Industry gave us our "middle class" and the best Country in the World! We owe everything we have to domestic manufacturing and the lifestyle it provided for us. This is indeed a very sad day for us all.


Saskmike
said

I'm proud to drive my 2002 Chev Silverado Crew 4x4 6.0L gas guzzler only when pulling our 28 ft trailer. The best vehicle we've ever had. 131,000 km and ding the math will last a long time. We have a 2007 Ford Focus, not a great car but gets better milage for everyday driving. I also have a 1998 Dodge Neon Sport, still have goose bumps driving it. I like our vehiles but really fries my buns are the people in these companies that have taken the tax payers monies to in most part to protect their PRIVATE pensions retired or not. We are not rich but have the house paid for and some savings, some personal dept(very controlable)and a modest amount for retirement in 15 years. I'd like to know why we as Canadians have to support these pensions as well.
And before the CAW people respond...My math may be off (for every 1 CAW job there are 6 others) 4,600 still working after all said and done(total 32,200). How many are gone already, 10,000(70,000 total)HHHUUMM?!!


American Iggy
said

This is excellent choice by Canada to assist the historic pillar of the American economy.

Our forefathers worked very hard to build GM into a world economic power.


Chrysler owner
said

I am Glad Magna took over Opel , maybe we can buy an Opel car here in Canada someday . I If FIAT can clean up Management at Chrysler we might recover from this mess soon . As far as GM goes , I have owned many of them over the years and they are nothing but constant repairs . Sorry GM , I will not buy another GM again .


Samual
said

My Toyota pick up has 437,000 km on it.
Still runs like a clock!!!

No union junk for me.
Ever!!!


ready to revolt
said

the only speedy thing about this is the exit of OUR tax dillars. OH,prices in several Florida areas have gone up now that we have enabled auto workers to maintain their lavish retirement lifestyle.


Roger T
said

NO SUCH THING AS A RECOVERY FOR GM. GAME OVER!

The Gov't has just wasted too much of taxpayers' money without any returns on a dead business. Sometimes stupid can really get even more stupid.

Poor quality, high price tags, high gas prices...just some factors.

End of the road.


Dennis F
said

David,

My father-in-law is driving our old 12 year old Dodge Neon. It has over 300,000km on it.

Anecdotes are cheap. They're especially worthless because people with old Hondas and Toyotas will do anything necessary to keep their vehicle running, based purely on the myth. "Domestic" owners usually just give it away and buy a new one.


Tired of all this crap!
said

To use taxpayer money to support legacy costs (pensions) makes my blood boil. This is collateral damage.





Frank Buchan (Vauxhall, Alberta by way of Ontario)
said

I own a Saturn (GMC product), which is almost 4 years old. Great car; almost no problems; odd winter behaviour at times, but nothing is perfect. I probably will buy Ford next time, likely later this year, to show my support for a NA manufacturer who didn't need my tax dollars.

I still believe this "investment" was a mistake, and don't expect GM to exist in 5 to 7 years. They haven't changed their fundamental management, and it is a problem.

As for those who think this is about wishing ill on the workers; you're wrong. This is about inequity in a system that allows a vast number of people (who make less) to subsidize those who make more (and have benefits), while other public systems suffer for lack of funding. This is not a valid use of taxpayer money.


Sailorboy
said

Chrysler is the one that I will stay away from for good. I once had a 4 year old Intrepid with less than 110,000 on it and complained about for the better part of ownership. It had 3 "new" radios installed, at least 5 power window motors, a new power seat all within the first two years.

The big stopper though was the need for almost a full engine rebuild with a quote of aprox $11,000 for the repairs, and they offered $2200 if I used it for a trade in on a new vehicle. When I tried to use my extended warranty for the fix, more troubles came up.

Thanks, but no thanks. As sad as I am to say it, I have gone foreign for my vehicle purchases.


Brent from BC
said

David.....1991 ford F-150 4x4, 295,000 kms...basic maintenace...no abuse...people who buy foreign cars are usually the same people complaining about free trade....My wife owns a Pontiac...this will be our last GM product...I have personally been a Ford guy and now my wife will be a Ford Gal!


Pip
said

David says, in response to Candu "I will still buy Toyota 230,00kms,10yrs old and still running. Lets the BIG 3 top that".

Well, my Chevy Caprice Wagon is 17 years old, virtually no rust, 433,000km and still running fine and getting 9.5l/110km on the highway. Pity they cancelled it in '96 - I guess it wasn't enough of a gas guzzler.


Big Truck
said

Glad to see people on this board stick up for North American vehicles. I had long trouble free lives with all the GM, Chrysler and Ford vehicles I've owned. It is a misconception that foreign vehicles are problem free. The American auto industry makes some very good products and backs it up with great warranties. Just bought a GM Truck and glad I did.


Disgusted Canadian
said

It would appear that the passive, empathetic reputation of Canadians has all but evaporated in these trying times thanks to the malevolent, cynical posts made by so many insensitive
boors. Your ignorance a lack of integrity is an embarrassment to all Canadians.

These men & woman that so many of you refer to as "greedy, uneducated monkeys", simply went to work to support their families. It disgusts me that they are reviled doing what everyone must.

There are tens of thousands of Canadians who have been affected indirectly by the demise of GM and Chysler who by simply living in cities and towns who rely on this industry are now faced with job loss and wage cuts.

Isn't wonderful that so many of this pages authors are the
living the dream, with their post secondary educations, no debt and job security?

I wonder how many of you "poisoned pen" authors can look in the mirror every morning and be satisfied with the person you are. I certainly hope I never have the misfortune of meeting any of you.


Adam in Ottawa
said

Just saw Buzz Hargrove on tv whining about what he says was the REAL downfall of GM; losing market share to Import car makers who he says have an "unfair" advantage. Unfair? The Imports (particularily Toyota and Honda) earned that market share by building better quality products. If GM's vehicles were any damned good they wouldn't have lost more than 20% of their market share since the early 80's. This downfall started in the late 70's when GM started doing things on the cheap to try and maximize profits by cutting corners on product development and engineering. For those who weren't around or don't remember here are only a few examples of this...

-the Oldsmobile Diesel 350 V8. Instead of taking the time to properly develop a purpose built diesel for use in passenger cars, GM MacGyvered the 350 gas powered V8 into a diesel. Ever wonder why even VW and Mercedes Benz could hardly ever sell their excellent Diesel engines in North America? Thanks to GM, most drivers equate "Diesel" with "unreliable piece of crap"!

-the Cadillac Cimarron. A Chevy Cavelier with a Cadillac crest glued to the hood and a price tag almost double that of the SAME CAR wearing the chevy bowtie!

-the Cadillac V4/6/8. Perhaps too far ahead of it's time...

-the Quad 4 OHV engine. Actually had the personal displeasure of owning one of these. Spent more time up on the hoist then sitting on the ground.

-the Pontiac Fiero. What else needs to be said?

-many more too numerous to list here.

Throughout this whole period, the Japanese only had one issue; premature rust through. By the late 80's they had pretty much solved that problem and were building excellent, reliable cars. GM on the other hand was still designing and building crap and pawning it off on their customers, some of whom were so completely loyal that they refused to buy anything else even as they experienced issue after issue. The new CEO conceded today that many customers were driven away from GM in the past due to it's poor products and customer service. Now he wants the car buying public to give GM yet another chance. Whether or not they do will dictate whether or not GM rebounds. Better do things right this time Guys!




Mark H.
said

I think the bailout is a huge mistake. I agree that it will be devatating for the workers and cities involved, however, no more devastating then closures in the forestry sector have been to cities and towns that have had mills closed with no aid from government. Being someone who has lost a job when the pulp and papermill closed in Prince Albert, i know a little bit about how it feels,however, if the solution is for government money then that is no differnt than welfare. Let the chips fall where they may. If we have to give taxpayer money to build cars, why not give it to Bombardier and get them to do it, it seems we must give our pound of flesh to the francophone cause anyway. so that could be part of it.


let's get real GM drivers !!!
said

I really wish the CAW members here would stop posting obvious tall tales about how long their cars run for......A Neon that is still running after 300k is ridiculous...and a Buick that is over 15 Years old..no wonder you sold it for 100 dollars...and as for the Grand Am drivers...well I just laugh when you try to tell us it is running fine after 300 k as well..I do not question the truck owners..as that area seemed better built for a different kind of useage, but for the rest of these postings, please stop wasting our time ....


D.K.
said

For every chevy that is still running there is a Toyota still running . All these posts prove nothing.

GM still owes $172 Billion and has only $80 billion in assets . THEY ARE BANKRUPT....PERIOD


Alberta Redneck
said

The Liberals would have lent the money but would have considered it a fully repayable loan, and therefore, an asset and not part of any deficit. Then, at some stage of the game, if the companies are unable to repay the total loan, they would quietly take a write off. Harper, to his credit, has said we are going to do the accounting on a worst case scenario. Good for the Tories--honest anyway.

On another front, while not a strong unionist, I did hear what old Buzz Hargrove had to say about the trade imbalance between our economy and the Japanese, Korean, and even the Chinese economies. In fact, many of our products face tariff barriers and outright prohibition against things like North American cars. Buzz is right. Our governments (US too) have said, OK, were tough. So we will tie both our hands behind our backs and then go into battle with those poor nations in Asia. It is the same in high tech. The Indians started by being the call centres for a myriad of companies. Now they are taking all that knowledge and stepping out on their own. In twenty years, they may be siting their call centres in the wasteland that is North America. Trade MUST be bilateral and where they put up barriers, reciprocal barriers have to be instituted. Watch the Japanese and the Korean car companies scream if we had the guts to say...no imports into North America allowed.

GM can make cars as good or better than any of the Japanese products if they had a fair marketplace. They do not and now that the governments are involved maybe they will wake up and smell the coffee.


CAW! CAW! CAW!
said

Would the Government bail out Walmart if they were going bankrupt?

NO!

This taxpayer-funded bailout of the CAW will keep greedy unionists in the posh life style they have become accustomed to living in, while others need to produce something worth buying to earn our living.




MuskyBuck
said

@GK from Ottawa,

Please sir, do explain to us all how anyones choice of what they buy, be it a hyundai or a pair of jeans related in anyway to what situation our 'economy' is in.

Your comment best displays why average people shouldn't have an opinion.

If you need a reminder here ya go.

Our economy is in the mess it's in because in the 80's Reagan removed all regulation attached to banking and mortgage.

This allowed every greedy little jerk with a notion for money and no sense of danger to do what they wanted when they wanted.

This involved every sector of banking and credit for the past 25 years...

But you seem to think it's because of us and our choice of consumables.

Grow up.


Robert in Courtice
said

I wish someone would explain to me who will be buying Toyota,Hyundai,Honda et al products when most of us are permanently unemployed after our own auto industry disappears along with the provincial economy? Where will the tax base come from that supports our socialist programs if middle-class jobs are a thing of the past?Rich people don't pay taxes,poor people don't either when they have no disposable income.All the auto industry bashers need to give their heads a shake.Money doesn't just get pulled out of thin air.We can't support a vibrant economy with lawn-rakers and burger-flippers as a tax base.Well......I'm waiting....


Marco, Newmarket
said

In the late 1990's I was tired of fixing my GM vehicles. That was all I ever owned. I turned to Honda and owned several of them and they were great.

In 2008 I decided to give GM another try. I bought a brand new 2008 Malibu. It now has 110,000 km's on it. It is still as tight as the day I drove it off the lot, and has never seen the dealer. I'm proud to say that GM after building years of crap, is now finally on par with Honda and Toyota in terms of quality.

I don't for a second support the unions and never will. However, I was glad to give GM another try and I think more and more people should, because they're vehicles really are that much better now. And for those people who think they are doing a wonderful thing by buying a Canadian built built Japaneese car, guess where the money goes. Yes, you are employing Canadians, but the profit goes straight back to the home land. Your still supporting Japan, not Canada. From now on, my vehicles will be GM. Buying a foreign car is like shooting yourself if the foot and wondering why your losing blood. It's about time we started supporting our own and I encourage everyone to buy a Ford, GM, or Chrysler as their next vehicle.

And no, don't work for a car company, and do not work for the public sector.



LH
said

To all you need is love:
Who do you think employs those minimum wage workers? Big companies! If the big companies were wiped out, who would pay the workers? The government. And ultimately us, the taxpayers. Plus those on minimum wage don't really pay taxes, they get most of it back at tax time and certainly are not taxed as much as higher paid employees.
Thanks to those sticking up for the quality of the Big 3 cars/trucks. They do make a good product, I have had a few GMs and one Ford, the GMs were better, but the Ford had over 300,000 kms on it, and I had a Cavalier with over 200,000, only thing I had to do to the Cavalier was maintenance, still had everything original.
In regards to the "unfair competition", I think what they are referring to is the fact that our governments allow the imports in, yet the North American manufacturers are not allowed to sell their products in Asia. I don't know about you, but there does seem to be something not right about that. However, it makes it more impressive that GM was, until recently, the highest selling manufacturer in the world, pretty impressive given that they are shut out of a major market that Toyota has full access to. Guess people do want to buy their cars/trucks/suvs after all. Which is pretty obvious since the foreign manufacturers have started making trucks/suvs too, copied the Big 3 actually, guess people do want those vehicles, despite what is often said on this blog.


Tired of being broke
said

To everyone who is calling the import buyers callous and heartless for making the decision to buy an import and taking food off Canadian employees plates, I'm not saying I want these people to be homeless and on the streets, but when I can't pay my own bills but I have to bail out these autoworkers, then yes, resentment sets in. Are you saying it's okay for me to go hungry, so that I can support an autoworker?


Molly
said

Well, of course he's saying this. He should tell us that it was really as if they threw taxpayer money into a wood chipper, which fell into a black hole, and is now floating on the edge of the universe. But that wouldn't get him a lot of votes.


Dean
said

Since we are all unwilling part owners in GM, when and how do I get my percentage of the profits if and when it actually makes one? Will I get it in the form of a tax reduction, dividend, or what? I also believe that unless the management is either replaced or has an epiphany about how to run and design something that works properly, looks good, and is affordable, then the company is doomed anyway. I don't believe that the union is going to be any different about how it whines about wages, conditions etc so I don't expect anything real to come from this at all. Can I sell my shares now?


Keith in Brampton
said

McGuinty thinks GM will pay Ontario back - just like all that money we gave to keep the steel mill in Hamilton open. Between this and the story about the Feds' proposal that we sue terrorist states, I can only conclude that (a) our politicians have lost their final vestiges of sanity; or (b) I've entered an alternate reality.

As to the raging foreign/domestic debate raging here, I've owned an equal number of US- and Asian-branded vehicles (they're all "foreign"); only one - the Civic - was Canadian-built, and at leas two of the "Asians" were US-built. With the exception of a Mazda-branded Ford (which was the worst of all of them) the Asian-branded ones were of much higher quality than the US-branded ones.

I'll buy what meets my needs, regardless of where it's built. If the Detroit 3 want my business, build reliable, fuel-efficient vehicles that don't look & feel cheap. It's that simple.


rickinclayton
said

Toyota makes one heck of a good truck, but at the price people pay for them we seldom see these trucks in the bush hauling wood or even at hunting camps. I sure don,t mind putting a dink in my Ford I use it for what it,s made for.....working.


Steve the Pundit
said

Maybe McGuinty's GRANDKIDS will live long enough to see this handout...er, I mean LOAN paid back.

Because it sure isn't going to happen in our lifetimes...


Lisa from Cambridge
said

GM,Chrysler and Ford are not Canadian companies, just like Toyota, Honda etc. They all produce vehicles in Canada and employ Canadians...but are not Canadian companies. So enough already of imports versus domestic..THEY ARE ALL IMPORTS TO US!!!!

We are free to buy from who has the best product for our needs, no one car company is perfect; the real problem with the big 3 has been poor management for so many years; they have dug themselves a big hole and can't get out.


Vince M
said

Candu - I don't care who owns GM. I didn't want to buy the company and I'm not going to be buying their cars.

If you remember the feds once owned Petrocan and no self-respecting person working in the oil patch would ever fill their cars from a government-owned pump. Same with cars!


Bill in BC
said

If he's that confident that GM will repay all loans, then nobody should have any problem with regisering liens against all GM assets to ensure repayment.


Glenn
said

GM Canada is a subsidiary of an American company. Can we please stop calling them 'domestic' cars? They're no more domestic than anything built in Canada by Honda Canada or Toyota Canada, so lets stop pretending that paying too much for American junk is somehow a patriotic act for Canadians.


Better
said

Big Fan 3:

nope, you lose.

52 Mercedes Benz 300, purchased new by me. routine Maintenance costs only-never needed a major repair. No rust either - and I drive in NOVA SCOTIA the salt & rust capital of the world! 1,239,721 MILES not KMs.

don't even bother to play the game, the big 3 will never even place.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

I would really be surprised if this bailout doesn't rank at the very top of the list for all-time bad public spending policies. There are just so many reasons it should never have be allowed. On the most basic level it is outrageous to take the tax money paid by those making $10 / HOUR and give it away to a company like GM.

The survival of GM from this point forward will do more harm to the economy, the environment and the social fabric of North America than any minor benefit from its survival. To think more than half of ALL CORPORATE TAXES paid in Canada is being placed into the bank accounts of two corporations to help them survive and therefore compete against other companies that are trying operate in the open marketplace is totally preposterous.

It is the Lehman Brothers fear factor that allows this outrage to play out and it is permitted by spineless cowardly leadership at all levels.


Decon
said

Paying out billions should require a vote by the taxpayer.
There is no way we are getting this money back.
This like giving money to Air Canada + Nortel -- kiss it goodbye


Red
said

The problem is that nobody is going to buy GM products because of favourtism the Canadian Government has given this once private sector. It will be a long and slow death, just watch!


C in the O.
said

McGuinty is dreaming if he thinks the loans will ever be repaid. Even Obama has publicly stated he never expects the money to return.

I think I hear the sound of flushing in the background.


Ed L
said

I reading a lot of baloney here. We'd have 6 digit unemployment if GM & Chrysler died? Baloney. What would their would-be buyers do? Buy bikes? No, they'd buy Ford, Honda, Toyota, etc. The same total number of cars. So you'd need the same total number of workers, at the auto makers and the parts makers.

We're cruel for not feeling sorry for auto workers? Baloney. Why should the poor feel sorry for the rich who have been extorting their money for many years? The union has a monopoly on labour at the Detroit companies. Anyone willing to work for less is prevented from doing so, and the union goons don't even need to slash their tires anymore.

GM makes quality vehicles? Baloney. Some are, sure, but Consumers Reports surveys 10's of thousands of people and the US products consistently rank at the bottom. Besides, if GM cars were so good, they'd have sold a lot more and never would have gotten into this fix.

It's the government's fault for letting GM not put in the pension money. Baloney.
Well, there is some truth in that, but come on, the union knew about this for the last almost 20 years and said nothing. If you didn't get paid for 20 years, would you just ignore it and then blame the gov't?

Harper is the bad guy here. Well, yes, he is, but McGuinty is standing right beside him on this. Where's his blame? And where's Iggy? Gone home to Boston?

We're all part owners. Baloney. Where do I sell my shares? How can I be a part owner of something I can't dump?
It goes on... there's enough baloney coming from union HQ to feed a small country.


Chris D
said

So we are going to be paid back says McGuinty! Let's see his track record. No more taxes! Improved access to health care! OMG we are so screwed.


Enough Already!!
said

Why weren't the lumber industries bailed out? Whole communities are wiped out but I haven't heard of any "bailout" that was received...maybe because they never got one! Yet we continue to allow this government to throw away more $$$ on products that people can NOT afford to buy. Give taxpapers the money...we'll spend it...maybe even on a new vehicle!!


Jackie
said

Lets, face it folks Harper and McGuinty did not consult us the taxpayers of this country as to weather we want to bail out GM again after all it is or was our money they gave away to this company without our vote we did not have a say in this matter.


Mar
said

To let's get real GM drivers !!!
Sorry, not a CAW member. I do find it interesting that you believe that people that disagree with you or have had a different experience than you must have an ulterior motive. I have had many domestic vehicles, many with hundreds of thousands of kilometres (and they are cars, not trucks) and they were perfectly fine. My mom had a chevette that had well over 300,000 and no major repairs, just maintenance, tires and windshield wiper blades. I am not CAW, don't even like the CAW, but I am still telling the truth based on what really happened. And I live in the West, so no, I don't work in any capacity for the auto manufacturers. However, I also know people that have had their volkswagens break down within months of owning them, another friend with a lemon of a Honda, and another friend who traded in their Rav4 because they drove an Equinox and liked it much better. So, while import manufacturers make good cars, so do the Big 3. Why does it have to be one way or the other? Buy what best suits your needs and what you like the look of the best. But please stop bashing those who have made the choice to buy from the Big 3, or who have had good experiences with the Big 3, they do make great cars/trucks/suvs, whether or not you personally like them. Plus, it is impossible to fight the facts that the Big 3 sell cars to a huge market every year, obviously lots of people like them.
And thank you Marco, Newmarket, I totally agree.



Henyk M. Szydlowski
said

I refer to a scene in Monty Python’s “Holy Grail” where the king is explaining that his castle is built on a swamp and he is trying to marry his son off for the prospect of large tracks of land so that he can finally get out of his situation. Time and time again his castle sinks into the swamp it was built on but they rebuild only to have it “burn down, fall over, and then sink into the swamp”

It isn’t going to solve anything by throwing 10 billion Canadian dollars at an industry that has become wholly obsolete when smaller markets such as hydrogen cells, bio-diesel, and electric powered cars are obviously the way of the future, yet these emerging industries struggle daily with funding and bureaucratic red tape. Ask any university in the country what they could produce with 10 billion dollars and I’m sure it would amount to a heck of a lot more than the next to NO NEW TECHNOLOGY that GM has produced in this century or the last.
It would seem that all these smaller markets require is a catalyst; Research dollars towards cost effective production (10 billion dollars), places to test and build their products efficiently (the vacant sales floors and factories popping up across N. America), and a lot of people willing to work for a living (the tens of thousands of hard working Canadians and Americans that have lost what’s most important, their livelihood). If fact all of the jobs lost by the failure of this one archaic industry would then become available to the very same people that have dedicated their lives (and backs) to something that they believe in an in turn humanity regains something we had lost 100+ years ago, choice.

We live in fear of what will happen in the right now because we have all forgotten that life was fine before oil hungry tycoons took over our lives with the promises of speed and dare I say it, reliability , that our health was fine before pharmaceutical companies destroyed our immune systems with the promise of a more enriched life.

Aren’t the most precious moments in life those that last forever?

If we keep burning the very blood of our dear planet, our only planet, there will be no forever. If we continue to eat bugs to kill bugs they win. These business giants bank on our thoughts not looking past tomorrow but I have somewhere to be in the future as do you all and when I finally arrive I want it to be there, beautiful and intact, they way our forefathers left it for their sons and daughters all those years ago.

We all have a stake in this regardless of politics, race, age, or sexuality. This one irresponsible act threatens the lives of 6 billion people world wide because that 10 billion CAD plus the even greater amount of USD is no longer available for education, arts, advancement in healthy living, preservation of our forests and waterways, as well a the millions of hungry and homeless children and adults across our great continent.

I say “let them fail and emerging markets will prevail” because if we allow them to guilt us out of our hard earned money they will fail again and again and then we lose the most important thing there is, our world.



Sitting here laughing
said

.....and I am sitting here holding my breath! Pay back the loan!!! These guys must dream in color. I have a couple of business ventures to pitch to them.....think they would give me a loan?


BMM
said

To David

The rewards you reap by buying a GM will be realized when the company is back on its feet. At that time they will repay their loan, continue to employ thousands of Canadians either directly or indirectly and continue to add to the billions of $ that they have already paid into our tax coffers.

BTW – My 1998 Chev pickup just passed the 320,000 Km mark and is still going strong and my wife’s Malibu is running great with 260,000 km on it. In fact that they are both running LIKE A ROCK!




Ryan from Victoria
said

This sucks. GM would leave Canada if we did not support them? They ran their company into the ground and we are supposed to be happy to keep them? This Canadian disagrees with this. Harper made the wrong choice for Canadians.


Do the Math
said

So for $9.5 B US (out of $40 B total), Canada gets just over 1/6 what the U.S. gov't gets. That sounds fair.

Then again, 12.5% of 0 = 0


LF
said

The premier and Clement are dreaming. If they can't make it in good times, how on earth can you expect to handle the rough times. The unions and the CEO and their assistants will bleed it dry, and walk away with big bonuses


Catharine
said

McGuinty knows we are pretty much powerless over this decision to bail out GM.

Well first, I am not. I do not have to buy a GM product.

but now McGuinty thinks we're stupid too? Come ON!

It will take GM at least 10 years to recover consumer confidence, if at all.

I just can't see a miraculous recovery.


Brad
said

And I have some swamp land to sell you. How can anyone believe what Dalton says after all the broken promises this guy has thrown at us? Remember the no new taxes thing? I sure do and at the next election I will be voting accordingly. Oh and I won't let them double dip on my money by purchasing a Government Motor car that's for sure!!!


Nancy: Toronto author of its own misfortune
said

McGuinty is a joke, only in Ontario could he ever get elected.
I could put a vote Liberal sign on Kim Jung Il and he would get votes in Toronto.


stevel
said

GM will pay back.

Hahahahahaha


Doug BC
said

This is a gamble.There is no question about that.But only time will tell whether or not it will pay off in dividends.My main problem now is that Obama and his administration are going to be telling GM what kinds of cars to build.Somehow I don't see that as a good thing.
For Canada,there really was little choice.If Harper had opted out,ALL GM and Chrysler jobs could then go to the USA and Canada would have been left with no jobs in that industry.And of course the spin-off jobs would evaporate very quickly after Chapter 7.
GM has some great new cars on the market,and on the drawing board.The electric car is a start.They have fuel cell technology well under way,dual mode hybrid power for theio SUV's and pick up trucks,etc,etc.I'm not sure about how this deal will eventually work out,but I won't use my original opposition as an excuse to bash GM's quality.I drove one of their pick up trucks almost 17 years,and 500,000 kilometers.The one I have now is working flawlessly as well.But I must say,I will have trust issues if they build the next generation of trucks in Mexico.But,then again,I don't see any decent import pick up trucks.At least not trucks meant for real work.
But it's not ONLY unions who caused this debacle.The government in the USA holds smoe blame for their flawed credit market,the collapse on Wall Street,and their phony banking regulations.I also think McGuinty has to contribute to pensions because he relaxed those pension rules to help out the auto industry.Now those chickens have come home to roost.
All in all,we must all hope it works.


Ki-Som Victoria BC
said

I said it from the very start, the bail out was a big mistake, and still is.


DLH Kingston
said

1988 Hyundai Pony
Bought it in 1992 with 38000 km
Drive it for 5 years and put another 350000 km on it.
Maintenance, brakes and clutch is all it EVER needed.I put snowtires on it and it never got stuck in the snow. People on my street would wait for me the go to work so they could drive down my tire tracks.I sold it to a kid who delivered newspapers in it for 2 years and then turned it into a demolition derby car.Stop blaming people who buy foreign make cars for downfall of GM. "Foreign made" thats a funny term, when it comes to the car, to some its EVIL. But look around your house, office, where ever you are I'll bet 75% of everything you see is foreign made mostly foreign made in China.At least South Korea and Japan are Democracies


Besides am I the only one that can see a company can't loss 100's of millions of dollars a year for a decade
and be financially sound


THE Fatman
said

Deb

'1999 Grand Am, over 300,000kms
still running and no rust, top that!!'

1998 Buick Century, 225,000 km, intake manifold gasket replaced twice for $1500. - $1,700., front wheel bearing shot at 75,000 km repairs at $500., paint peeling for last 100,000 km., no repair, just leaving it to let people see high quality of GM - gag -, can't keep turn signal bulbs and sockets in the thing, cost in sockets and bulbs,$300. to date, etc. etc. etc.

(And I was a GM fanatic for over 45 years!)

Now and forevermore in this house GM = Garbage Motors.

Now, TOP THAT!


Mark
said

Candu - normally when one becomes a part owner in a company through a stock purchase, that person actually gets to choose whether or not they want to invest. I for one wouldn't have invested 5 cents in this joke of a company but I was forced to. Can I have my money back? I will not support joke of a private U.S. company full of useless managment and arogant greedy workers. NEVER will I guy GM.


WelfareMotors
said

Wow the lazy union sloths are out in full force on the board today. Have another beer, turn on your country music in that big 'ol pickup boys and sit back and let your gut get bigger pushing that button while the rest of us pay your salary and pension.


willi43
said

Why would GM suddenly decide to re pay the people of Canada this time. How many other times have they come with their hands out begging for money for this plant, or this assembly line, etc. etc. etc. Were these loans ever repaid????



Patricia
said

GM will never pay back the loan and once again taxpayers are on the hook. This money could have been spent better on our dwindling social programs and our almost non existant health care system. And the Ontario government better get the ehealth people to pay back all their extravagances. They are incorrigible.


GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
said

"better"

If you want to talk mileage, you better look at Dodge P/Us with the Cummins Diesel. Theres many out the with more miles than your Mercedes relic, plus they haul a load and will actually accelerate going uphill. A feat your old farm tractor can only accomplish going downhill, plus you can actually sell them because people want to buy them. Not so sure your import can do that.

Chrysler, GM, and Ford build the best.


Murray@Cobourg
said

I find this a bit hard to take as people making minimum wage have to pay for these bailouts...A person making minimum wage is now going to pay a tax so the car companies can pay their 50.00 per hr employees,Thats CRAP...Better raise minimum wage for the real working person so they can afford to live....Maybe a true politician would realize that it's not only the Auto industry that needs help..What about the farmers that have been struggling to make ends meet any buyouts or handouts for them????I think not...And they work 24-7...Harper,McGuinty and Flaherty should wake up or better yet take a walk in the shoes of people that can barely make ends meet...


lorne fr Agassiz
said

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says he's confident General Motors Corp.will turn its financial troubles around and pay the province back billions of dollars that were given to the company to ensure the success of its restructuring plan.
Now here is another poliction would doesn't know the truth if it jump out n bit him.
Canadians have already stated they will not buy GM. for whatever reason they have, they have spoken. They will not buy GM. so please tell me how GM will recover when nobody is buying there product.
The 2 government /Ontario Premier Dalton and/Harper's Conseratives have started a card game called cutthroat canadians and they are the 2 jokers!


RIna
said

The Real Deal
From experience, Japanese and European cars, vans & SUVs are way better than North American's but NA trucks hold the advantage when it comes to 6/8 cylinder trucks.

People will buy vehicles they think, feel and experienced of good qulity and worth of their money. They don't really care if it's domestic or import.

The problem...
The 3 parties (government, GM management & union) have to be blamed for what happened. The government was aware of the pension underfunding and didn't much about it. The GM management failed to manage the company to sustain its market hold and to control its employees demands. The union thought they deserved so much and kept on threatening to go on stike if they don't get what they want.

Moving forward...
The government should no longer allow the underfunding and closely monitor what's going on in the company. The GM management should really use their brains on how they can attract consumers and how they can make some cost savings. And for the unions, if you are not getting what you want, pack your things up and leave. Don't threaten the company that you will do this or that if you think you are not getting what you deserve. For sure, if someone offers you a better compensation while working for GM, you are free to leave and grab that offer. GM will not go on strike if you leave the company. So, it's just fair that you leave the company if you get a better offer from another company or if you are not getting what you want. If you are not getting what you want from GM and there's no other company out there which can offer you what you are hoping for, then it only means that you don't deserve it.


Yippy a New Car
said

Here is a thought, if my tax money went to buy GM, does that mean on my next income tax return I get a new car? It was my money that kept that company in business.


still going
said

Better
Big Fan 3:
Well my 1968 buick has
1,239,726 miles not Ks
still driving it today i think i maybe putting another 25 miles on it


just another supporter
said

Autoworker
I would bet that 90% of the people writing on this blog were part of the 40,000 or so who stood in line to get a job at GM only to be shut out. There is not one person on here who would not take a job making what an Autoworker makes. i would bet my JOB on it.

NO ONE MADE A COMENT ON THIS COMENT I WONDER WHY?



observing
said

Red
sales for GM were up in April 11%!! saying no one will buy GM products is just foolish. Maybe not as many but no one please.


MAD AS HELL
said

Stop paying your taxes!We are being robbed by our governments, when I lost my business there was no money to prop me up. If the private sector does not want to support a business then why the hell should we the people be FORCED to pay for a private enterprise. YOU CAN ONLY GUESS HOW HIGH OUR TAXES WILL GO UP TO PAY FOR THIS FIASCO!!! 172 billion dollars is over $5700 for every man woman and child in Canada


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