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Date: Thu. May. 28 2009 11:02 PM ET

The heads of the Canada Pension Plan are slated to take home millions in bonus payouts this year, even as the fund struggles and the economy slips deeper into recession.

According to the fund's annual report just released by the CPP Investment Board, David Denison, the president and CEO of the CPP, along with his top four executives, will take home a total $8.5 million in pay and bonuses for the 2009 fiscal year.

Additionally, the executives are due another $7 million in long-term awards that will be paid out over the next three fiscal years.

Denison earned a total of $2.9 million in the last fiscal year -- down 30 per cent from $4.2 million the prior year -- including a base salary of $490,000, an annual bonus of $735,000 and "long-term incentive plan" awards of $1.6 million.

He also earned $59,023 in pension contributions and $9,571 in other benefits, which the CPPIB said include life insurance, disability benefits, and health and dental plan costs.

The fund's top five paid executives -- including senior vice-presidents Mark Wiseman, Donald Raymond, Graeme Eadie, former CFO Myra Libenson and Denison -- earned a total of $8.5 million in 2009, down 31 per cent from $12.4 million in 2008.

The executives' annual bonuses and incentives are calculated not on annual returns, but on a rolling four-year average of the fund's performance.

Long-term incentive awards for the five top executives, that have not yet been paid out or vested, will total an additional $7.8 million. Those incentives will be paid out over the next three fiscal years ending in 2012.

The value of those long-term incentives is down 43.3 per cent from $12,755,461, the annual report stated.

Denison is also due an additional $1.2 million and Eadie, $530,964, to be paid out if they chose to retire.

The new figures come as the board, which invests billions of dollars not immediately needed to cover CPP benefits, reported that the CPP Fund shrank by $17.2 billion to $105.5 billion in the last fiscal year.

The fund's value dropped 18.6 per cent to end the 2009 fiscal year, the CPP investment board said in its annual report, which was released last week.

CPP Investment Board Chair Robert Astley defended the payments.

"We know what is needed to attract the best and the brightest," he said.

Political reaction

NDP Leader Jack Layton expressed outrage over the figures Thursday during question period in the House of Commons.

"The CPP Board is supposed to protect the savings of Canadians. This is money earned through hard work and they were counting on it for their retirement," Layton said.

"We have the prime minister essentially endorsing $17 million of Canadians' money going into the pockets of executives who just lost $24 billion. How can that make any sense whatsoever?"

Prime Minister Stephen Harper responded that the bonuses are determined by the CPP's board of directors, not his government.

"The board is responsible independently for remuneration for the management of the plan," Harper explained. "I noticed by the way, that the board did drop the total compensation for its executives by 31 per cent last year. But that is a board decision, not a government decision."

"This is a joint body of federal and provincial governments that is administered at arm's length and independent of politics," he added.

The CPP Fund's assets fell by $17.2 billion to $105.5 billion in the year ended March 31, because of steep stock-market losses, the board reported, amid "the worst global financial crisis since the Great Depression."

Denison acknowledged that the past year was a challenging year for the fund "and it was a challenging year for me personally, for all of us who are involved in managing the fund.

"We take the responsibility we have for managing the assets for 17 million Canadians very, very seriously."

In a conference call with reporters, Astley said the board remains confident in Denison and his team to lead the investment program, noting that the compensation the board offers its execs allow it to "compete for talent" in the private-sector world.

"We believe the compensation paid to our team this year properly reflected the value created over the past four years, as well as the obvious challenges faced by the CPP Fund - and all investors - in fiscal 2009," Astley said.

With files from CTV Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife

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Greg - Signs and Wonders
said

Because the fund has done poorly.. Why don't we TRIPLE their bonus. There must be a clause in their pay-scale for it.


JOKE !


Stephen Joseph
said

So... is that where deductions of my paycheque goes to? I think I should refuse to pay CPP out of my paycheque.


Laurie
said

Thank you CTV, for bringing this to tax-payers' attention. This is ridiculous! Absolutely disgusting.


Sue
said

CANADIAN FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES GETTING BONUSES!!!!!!!!! That is a huge outrage. Unbelieveable! Hard working Canadians out of work needing the employment insurance to survive and these federal bureaucrats gets bonuses for showing for work!!!!! THIS MUST BE STOPPED BY THE TOP POWERS THAT BE IN GOVERNMENT. MR HARPER PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.


Waldo from Toronto
said

Overpaid financial advisor's who reap the benefits when times are good but fail to be accountable/repay those same bonus's when they fail to select winners. It's a one way compenation street that the taxpayer's are once again on the hook for. The CPP should try an index fund and you won't need high priced help like these folks. Unbelievable, whenever the govt enters into business dealings (of which it knows nothing about) it's always the taxpayer left holding the bag.


Mandosa
said

Maybe the real issue is should we have nanny state taking our money and doling it out for us in our later years, because we weren't adult enough to prepare for these things on our own.
Oh, but that's right, we would all be poor starving peons if it wasn't for our great socialistic government caring for us.


Marc
said

Averaging out bonus payout based on last 4 years seem pretty fair to me.

If the growth fund grows 100% in the next 2 years, he will have to deal with the negatives of the current 2.

They don't put any numbers here to compare it to, the sotck market went down 30+%, so doesn't that make his performence good.


Julius
said

In my current job, I am eligible for receiving bonuses based on various performance related metrics, directly tied to sales targets and labour targets we have to hit. How is it that executives who have poor performance and clearly are not hitting performance targets are able to walk away with millions of dollars in bonuses? Aren't bonuses designed for stellar performance, not poor performance?


Bev
said

During the last few years of working, all I have ever heard is that the CPP will probably run out of $$ just as I retire (59 now). With payouts like this---it will surely happen. I don't care how hard someone works - no one should be making that kind of money!


Lauren Meldrum
said

Yes! It's always the way the rich get richer. Meanwhile I get laid off.


DON
said

Way over paid to begin with for what they do.why the extra.
do we have that much extra money to waste.don't think so.


gary
said

Here we go again. It is a shame that we waste so much money for inept people. Now they want people to work longer in order to collect a pension. I thought that the money in the pot belonged to the working people. So why does the board decide who gets what. We are the employers. Our government should get up to speed on this type of crime.People at the top think that we have a never ending supply of money, let alone the poor tax payer who can not make ends meet.


AE from TO
said

I lost lots of money for my employer and when bonus times came, I asked for a fat cheque because I felt I was entitled to it. They gave me the boot.

I wish I was working for the gov. Win or lose you still get a fat cheque because the worst thing that could happen is when liquidity is scarce, tax people more!


Andy Kanata
said

At a time of worldwide recession, the staggering job losses and the loss of Canadians retirement income, handing out bonuses to execs at any company is in the poorest of tastes. Anyone who gets a bonus in excess of a million dollars, can obviously afford to live without it. How many years of work would most Canadians need to put in just to make a million dollars? Do the right thing - show some leadership and taste.


happy to pay taxes
said

may I have a government job, please?


Brad, Calgary
said

I don't care how well or how bad the fund did last year or the year before....it just galls me that anyone at any level is actually worthy fo that kind of money in the first place. I am sicvk and tired of hearing about these huge bonuses being paid out to people who manage companies. learn to live on my salary for a couple of months and see what the real world is like. Would I turn down this kind of cash if I was in their position....hmmmm....maybe, maybe not, but it is funny that the only time these types of bonuses get any attention is when it can appear that it is a gross and outlandish number when compared to the current economy and the performance of that company. Would this make the news if things were still flying high...doubtful. Still though, this kind of money just makes me sick that somehow there can be any way to justify this much to one person when so many are down and out.


tanya taylor
said

Isn't that just typical - they say no CPP left for all the baby boomers and people are on the streets starving....how is this allowed, it's incomprehensible, makes me sick to my stomach.


MuskyBuck
said

The question is...

How long has this been happening for?

This is an absolute insult to Canadians that our Canada Pension Plan, a federal institution, would be managed by privateers.

And second that the federal government had any idea that the managers of MY and YOUR money fund were paying themselves such ludicrous salaries and pay structures would be treason.

I want to see a 30 year or more history of the payouts to these scam artists.

And then I'd like to see a legal challange to sue and take back what is OUR money.


AH
said

This makes Canadians angry to see BIG Executives walking away with money. Meanwhile, other people work and are worried they will never see their pension.

This is unacceptable!


Duane Oshawa
said

In the good times high salaried individuals, will always say results determine compensation.

With 15% losses will these hogs at the trough back away?

Or are they so fat and greedy, they will ignore the plight of Canadians, and gorge themselves yet again.

Make their salaries commensurate with their performance, subtract 15% of their pay, which I'm sure isn't so meagre either.

This should outrage all of Canadians, perhaps a contientuous politician will step up, and represent his constituents for once, and demand a retraction of the offensive amounts of money, which will take from the remaining amounts of Canadian pensions.



Micalee Wright, London, Ontario
said

Just more parasites of the "Old Boys' Club of Canada".

I hope they all sleep well knowing there are Canadian children going to sleep hungry at night! They should all be ashamed of themselves.

Their 'bonuses' were decided by previous, greedy parasites of 'the old boys club'so does that make it ethical? NO ONE deserves that kind of money from the taxpayers!



Jim in Edmonton
said

Shameful! Disgusting! Deplorable! If these people take the money then they have no conscience. Who was that liberal cabinet minister who said he was "entitled to his entitlements?" If the board approves these payouts then they should be removed. The optics of this is simply terrible.


Roger T
said

Blame the Harper Gov't for not doing the job while getting paid. The connections those executives have is all linked to the Gov't which is where the money is from TAX PAYERS money.

Fire Jim Flaherty and put a more accountable person to overlook these executives mis-using and mismanaging tax payers hard earned money.


Martin in Ajax
said

So what ? They are worth of every penny, right! It’s o.k. since almost every NHL, NBL, NFL etc… player, every movie /music star, every CEO of large company, every banker etc… gets as much or more. Human greed has no limits. But, hey, lots of people were screaming, when e.g. GM workers were making like $40/h…


Lorraine
said

Our government should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this to happen. No one is worth that kind of bonus.


Gregory Boudreau
said

Just great.
Only in Canada, Heh


malingerer
said

Please brother, can you spare a dime or a dollar, for some of us ne'er-do-well's...? How I wish I would have benefited like this, unfortunately my only benefit was being downsized.. :(


Doug Rutherford
said

Why would the manager of any Federal Government department receive a bonus for the performance of their duties, regardless of how well or poorly they did? Oh, wait... this is how the trough works, doesn't it?


Tori
said

All of these major bonus packages should stop especially now that our country is in a major recession.

This is another example of poor management. How can bonus packages be handed out when the CPP Fund is struggling?

Gotta love this country, the rich keep getting more and the poor get less and less.

So much for a country that is suppose to offer equal opportunity. Opportunity takes cash....when you are poor, you have no cash therefore no opportunity.


Terry in Ottawa
said

This is almost criminal and if it is the BOD that determines the amount then they should be liable for it, not the tax payer. The complete investment community seems to have a huge sense of entitlement and something has to be done. If Iggy wants to garner some votes he should take up the cause and make it an election issue. By the way I am a conservative voter but have some concerns if this is allowed to proceed. Stop it and defend the action in Court if you must. Also, get rid of the people who set this up in the first place.


CNW
said

I thought bonus was paid based on positive performance. So the fact that the fund did relatively well compared to others takes precedence over the fact that in absolute terms it lost 14% for the period in question. The fact its averaged over 4 years doesnt make sense, because the past is not indicative of future performance..Rediculous!!! Can i opt out of CPP?


Jason
said

Its fair to get the facts before jumping to conclusions.

Are the bonuses paid on rolling 4 year performance, year in, year out (ie. no change in the structure this year)?

What's the bogey for measuring the performance? If they highly overperformed vs. the market, good work, as the losses weren't as great vs. an index fund, for example, or the Caisse de Depot.


Peter Drake
said

Think it through, folks. You don't want the bonus based on one year, that's what lead to investment bankers bankrupting banks.

If you're going to hire investment bankers to manage over $100 billion then you don't hire the cheapest ones. You hire the best ones you can. If the best cost an extra $50 million and generate 1% more then your spending $50 million to get an extra $1 billion.

One more thing, the CPP isn't out of money. It still takes in more money than it gives out. It's that extra money that's being invested for the future, and currently totals $100 billion. In 15-20 years, when the CPP starts giving out more money than it takes it, the hundreds of billions of dollars will start to be used. The fund is solvent as far as the eye can see.


disabled in Sudbury
said

Enough with the freaking bonuses and golden handshakes. People are losing their jobs left and right and plants are being shutdown. Give the money to those who actually do the work.


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
said

My wife had a cerebral hemmorage in 1975,it left her severely disabled.

Prior to this she worked for about five years[ she started working at 17].

She fell through the cracks,, she has NEVER had a disability pension of any kind EVER!!

I made an appeal on her behalf to CPP. The suits at the tribunal said they were sympathetic, but no cheque for my wife.

I am outraged!!!!These people who have the power to RUIN lives of ordinary people...It makes me sick.. My stomach churns..

"Hi, I work for the government,, and I'm here to help you".......If you believe that, give me a call, I have some prime swampland for sale......


Robson
said

Not a shock really most of these people are way overpaid and it just shows the public what money grubbers these people are. Taxpayers getting ripped off again. It's the same old same old only the rich get rich...


David, Mississauga
said

It doesn't matter if the bonuses are for the 4-year performance of the CPP, the optics of these huge bonuses now is terrible. The federal government has no say? Maybe it's about time they did, considering it taxpayers' money they're giving away. If the board of a private company gave these kinds of bonuses, the shareholders would fire them. Why can't we, as shareholders, fire this board?


Kris D.
said

"But Fife said the bonuses are determined by the CPP's board of directors, and the federal government has no say in how much the executives receive."

Well, Mr Fife, who appointed the Board of Directors?

One more nail in this government's coffin if you ask me...


David in Saint John
said

Before everyone gets worked up about this, remember that the stock market tanked horribly last year.

The fact that the fund ONLY lost 32% is probably much better than it could have been. If we didn't pay the best salaries with appropriate performance bonuses, the fund would have done WORSE than the index, and how much would that have cost the fund?

$12 million is money well-spent, if we are getting a decent return on our investment relative to the market.

Shame on CTV for only reporting the inflammatory side of the story again.


Bayes Bloomington, Ottawa
said

Just want to clear up a couple of things:

1. the employees of CPPIB are not government employees. They have no direct ties to the government and they get no gov't pension (other than CPP).

2. The funds performance though negative, was a lot better than that of the market indexes.

3. You do need to pay at least on par with the industry in order to attract investment talents.


Ray Clark
said

... Where are the safe guards on the public purse? CPP employees gorging themslves on tax payers money.
Public cynisism regarding the 'body politic'has made a 'Giant leap'...

Bryan from Edmonton
said

Those bonuses are outrageous!
If the bonuses are this high now I shudder to think what they might have been a year or two ago. Does anyone know?

Pretty sad when the average MP gets about $155k.


Ron
said

Every pension fund took a major hit last year and all the administators were paid anyway. Get a grip people.


don
said

Let's start the economic come-back with zero bonuses for all renumerated with tax-payer monies.


Brandi
said

The fact of the matter is that these people are responsible for investing BILLIONS of dollars of other peoples' money. That is a gigantic responsibility and a very public one. I have a hard time swallowing that anyone needs that much money, but in order to recruit and hold onto people qualified to do this job, that may very well be the level of compensation required.


Speor
said

I sure wouldn't want a fund that is worth 100+ billion being run by somebody making $75,000. Sure, you can make the argument that these executives are overpaid but NOBODY can prove that they didn't SAVE the fund from even GREATER losses because of their management.


Brad from the bottom feeders
said

Our government is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dennis L. Krahn
said

Mr. Denison has already earned 2.9M, perhaps he and his Three Musketeers could at least offer to take a smaller bonus so as not to be so conspicuous in these troubled economic times.


Shirley
said

If this happens I hope an election is called, my vote will be changing


UR2
said

This is absolutely disgusting! I guess we now know where the lost 50 BILLION went. Capitalism is not working. We need something else.


Jim in Ontario
said

I would like to opt out of the CPP. Not because of pay for quality people, but because its payback stinks in comparison with the premiums I am paying.


R. T.
said

I hate to say it..but Roger T. you are missing the point..how can you blame the Harper government for this mess...its been going on since i was a kid and thats a long time ago my friend..unless you are just trying to get a rise out of the people. We as Canadians should be outraged at whats going on here...will it ever end? i doubt it...and another election is not the way to go either...in case you have forgotten Roger T the Chretien liberals did a hell of a lot of damage when they were in power in the 90's. It wont matter who is in power...power breeds corruption....

















Kim Huggard
said

WHY???!!!


Steve in Toronto
said

This is getting serious folks ... next the amero .. then police state ... their brashness is unbelievable !!


kevin
said

This is why unions need to fight to save their pensions!


Anne
said

WHAT!!??!!


Dunny from Manotick
said

If these bonuses are determined by "The Board", I want to know who is on the board, who appointed them, and what the board's compensation packages are. These bonuses for what are essentially civil service jobs are obscene. Follow the money CTV and help Canadians find out the truth, the whole truth...


Vic
said

Before Tories ended their reign, and a lot of injustice expenses will come until change government. That's why we have $50 billion deficit under Harper administration.


Alona
said

Great, my 89 year old mother lives on 800 bucks a month cpp which doesn't even cover her nursing home cost. Luckily she gets subsidized by Ontario. This is a crying shame!!


Ray in AB
said

Tell me that we are not that naive. the fund has grown substatially in the last 4 years, from a point of callapse to now, which it is still in great shape, and when the econimy turns around, it will see another huge increase, probably to the tune of 40 to 60 billion increase in the next 4 years. only losing 14%, people that is actually really good performance. and I for one want someone managing our money to be on a bonus scheme.. way better than paying 5 people 100 g a year with nothing to gain. it would be disasterous.. Pay them the bonus, im hoping next years bonus will be double that of this year..


DANIEL H
said

I work for a company that matches our pension contributions based on company performance. We have done well. Anyone who works should receive incentives for perfomance. However, if this company had done as badly as the CPPIB we'd get nothing. That's what these guys should have received! Makes me sick to see this money handed out and people like the wife of David Sawkiw get nothing. This country has not right to look down of corruption of any other country when this type of thing continues. WHAT A CRIME!


bd in sk
said

While it is hard for me to comprehend that one person needs millions of dollars in one year to live comfortably, I think you have to look behind the headline and the numbers. These executives have contracts with their employers that stipulate their rate of pay, benefits, bonuses, etc just like anyone else. If you look at the story closely, and PM Harper mentioned this as well, these guys actually lost 30-31% of what they had made the prior year. So, although the monetary amounts seem crazy, they actually had to take a cut back. I, for one, am going to give them the benfit of the doubt. They have been doing their job and have earned the money they were given as per their contract. If we weren't in an economic tail spin, this wouldn't even be a story. CTV is just trying to stir up the common folk with the amount of cash these guys get paid.


Vingoe
said

So these executives get bonuses for gambling with our hard earned money? When the day comes that I am ready to retire there will be no CPP for my generation, yet I have no choice but to give my money CPP. I think that as a democratic Nation, Canadians should stand up for their rights and put an end to this. The fund shrinks…. Canadians lose their hard earned money, the executives take bonuses out of our CPP contributions… Canadians once again lose their hard earned money.


Ziggy
said

I wonder how much the "Board" is paid and who determines that, perhaps the CPP executives?


Josie
said

Shame! How is possible that a responsable Governement allow such a practice?


Sick to my stomach
said

Are you freaking kidding me? A complete abomination. Record unemployment, record deficits, and an economy that has tanked and now Canadian's are being slapped in the face with this.
I am completely disgusted.




Alan Sip
said

Lets Remember that a good percentage of CPP's assets are in Real Estate and the loss has not taken into account the full decrease in value of their real estate portfolio. In otherwords, the real loss is MUCH GREATER.

Maybe, they deserve a bigger bonus!!!


Mike vdB - Chatham, ON
said

I think there should be a clause in any contract that stipulates during tough economic times there will be a clawback of some of the bonuses paid out. Bonuses, in general, for executives of any company seem to be excessive.

With that being said, I think we need to look at the bigger picture. If bonuses are calculated due to the average performance over the past 4 years, it would include the height of the boom. Yes, they are high, but CPP is still working within an approved framework.


Kelly
said

Ah the government doing what is does best, rip us off! The sad part is if we cut the pork out of the government, such as this, there would be more money for schools, healthcare etc. It's out duty to pay taxes & it's the government's dute to allocate them responsibily...that does not mean swander them...


donovanfromwinnipeg
said

I'm not sure if anyone noticed, but almost all investments fell drastically in 2008. CPP invests no different than other vehiciles, such as mutual funds. The CPP is large enough that you cannot look at it year over year, but rather long term. But by all means, make snap judgements over things you know nothing about.


TD
said

I love how our PM responds saying well it’s not our government who decides on the bonuses. No accountability from him, EVER. SHIP HIM OUT.


Shannon
said

These are the jobs we should all aspire to get... mess up horribly and still get paid millions in bonuses.. i am sure the government will find some way to justify this. The average joe struggling to make ends meat gets screwed even more and these clowns collect huge bonuses.. and they justify it with such conviction


Ian
said

This is an absolute fiasco. no one should be receiving bonuses in today's environment when they are losing money. I don't care if the markets tanked and it isn't their fault directly. The point is money is being lost, left, right and center. As such bonuses should be waived accordingly. The government must get involved as they ultimately have the responsibility of paying out pensions down the road. I for one, who has a reasonable company pension to come along with my own investments will not be eligible for a federal pension, because I looked after myself and believe me, my salary is nothing to write home about. This will be after paying into the system for 40 years. I sure would like those contributions back and let me invest them wisely for my old age.


Bob in Ottawa
said

No, not only in Canada.
This is how the financial geniuses in the US started this whole mess.


absolutely disgusted!
said

LOL...Sue....Mr. Harper will be the first in line to see if he is getting any bonuses. This is all bullcrap! There is no need for "bonuses" of that amount, especially with their paycheque as it is. Absolutely disgusting. Funny how hospitals have to cut back because of bad economic times. maybe everyones bonuses can go back to all the hospitals so they can keep their staff....then it is better for ALL public.


Nick in Gatineau
said

Most bonus structures are based on positive performance which kicks in once the 90% of budget has been atained. A 14% loss is not an 'attained' target.

Usually onced the 90% mark has been reached, a 0.5 to 1 % of salary is given for every 1% of budget attained. So if one sits at 91 % of budget, one gets 0.5 or 1 % of his or her salary. If 100 % of tragetted budgets were reached, you get 5 to 10 % of your salary.

If you exceed budget targets, same thing, for every 1%, you get 0.5 to 1 % of your salary as a bonus.

Not only did they not get to acheive tragets but they actually lost over last year's actuals. That means that looking at Targets, they lost around of 20% of budget.

Regardless of the economy, budgetted targets were not acheived. Performance was not acheived.

There is no way these people should be bonused.


ML
said

Employment is subject to offer and demand. Specialized jobs offer greater salaries to attract top talent. The CPP is competing with private companies that offer higher salaries, crazier benefits, and less nagging from citizens who have no idea how the finance world works. These guys could not anticipate the market crash, and if they would have, they would not be working for the CPP.


ronald j. caron
said

its sickening, i work all my life, i paid my dues, now im on a cpp disability pension struggling to make ends meet and take care of my family. i make less then $10,000.00 a year. this is so sick, im going to puke.


Kevin in Toronto
said

Anyone notice that Roger T can't make a posting without capitalizing an entire word?


JP
said

Off with their heads! Erect the gallows! The peasantry revolts!


Allan Eizinas
said

They are entitled to it according to their contract. Try to break that contract and it will cost us more.

BTW – An “entitlement” under the Harper Conservative watch?

Where have we heard that before?


JB in Calgary
said

Ok bring it down a notch. Everybody's investment has done poorly. And it's not like these guys are asking for a government bailout.

Typical Liberals they want to control everything. I think the government has enough to deal with.


Matt
said

The government doesn't decide on compensation.
The CPP managers are doing a great job. They didn't lose as much as most other investment managers.
In short I think that by most reasonable means they did actually earn these bonuses.

The problem is this is our money, and we should have input.
If this was a company we owned (as stockholders) or a mutual fund, we would have a choice if we wanted to pay these fees or approve of this level of compensation.

This is a mandatory government tax, and therefore it should be subject to government oversight.
If there is no government oversight, and control of compensation and other expenses, it shouldn't be funded with tax dollars.

I know it isn't strictly a tax, but practically it is.


B in TO
said

For all of you outraged by this, do you not realize that if we reduce the incentives, bonuses and salaries then these skilled investors will leave for greener pastures? This leaves the fund to be tended by incompetent people who don't really care about keeping the job because it doesn't pay that well to begin with. Then ALL your money will be fiddled away.

Of course you are probably the same people blaming Stephen Harper for a global recession...

Big talent requires big money. That is the reality we live in. Their bonuses reflect their overall management of the fund over that past four years so the fact that they are getting such a bonus reinforces that they are worth that money, all things considered.


Vancouver Islander
said

WooHoo -- After working and paying into the CPP for years, I get a whopping $450. per month as my CPP payment -- and now I know why!


A mad Canadian
said

This is just stupid, really.

THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED! While some Canadians are homeless and starving, they're earning 100x more than they deserve. If this is what they're expecting, they should be shipped to the farm grounds to shovel horse crap the rest of their lives!


Chris Ottawa
said

So! You do really want Canada to become communist?? Come on now!! I don't think so!!


william jung
said

Put another 35 millions of angry comments here are useless. Canadian, shut up and pay your taxes. No job, broken families, no shelters, no food, etc., 'they' don't care as long as 'they' have all of the above themselves. Do they care even there is no Canada?


Mary in Ottawa
said

Are you kidding me? Not only is our pension money being stolen under the guise of a "bonus", and not only is there no accountability, but even our government won't take accountability. Never mind action!

I can't believe a BOD would give any thought, never mind approval, for these outlandish bonus amounts. Did they not hear about big business in the US and their bonuses?


Rick
said

I think that we need Obama's way of dealing with things regarding these people who receive these outrageous bonuses. There is nothing special that these folks do that can possible justify such amounts. And as suspected, Stephen Harper weasels his way out. If Obama can set a limit for salary's and bonuses, why can't our government do so as well? There must be a payoff some where.


nikki
said

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING and utterly outrageous. Hardworking people are getting laid off and these executives are rewarding themselves for doing what they're suppose to do. This is a perfect example of PURE GREED! I hope your mansion and fast cars are worth losing your soul over!


Alberta Redneck
said

I too am appalled at the rich payments to these people who take no risks with their own money, they get to play with yours and mine.

But, when the Prime Minister fired the Atomic Energy Watchdog for being too rigid in the face of a critical shortage of isotopes, the whole country rose up in horror because the "interfered with the independance of the Board. In fact he didn't. He had one choice to make...either the chairman of the board had the governments confidence or she did not. She didn't so she was fired. Now you want the Prime Minister to ride to the rescue over, not just a chairman, but over an entire Board of Directors. Make up your minds folks.


Mark
said

For once in my life I agree with Jack Layton. This is completely outrageous!

Canadians should be aghast at this atrocious lack of sensitivity at a time when many are losing their jobs and homes.

Completely outrageous!


THE Fatman
said

Every time we hear of overpaid public servants, either by virtue of their base pay or some form of bonus system, we get the same old horses**t back that it's required to get the talent required for the position. For one, I'm getting kinda sick and tired of that being fed to me, try another line for once will ya, I'm to the point where another teaspoon of that crap will make me gag a bit harder than I already am. Please, humor me, for the wages you're getting show me you can be original, or aren't you being paid enough for that!


Wise Wajid
said

CTV guilty of breaching journalistic standards regarding your interview with Stéphane Dion before last October's election. Noticed you haven't covered the story...


Mr Bill
said

I couldn't pick a winning stock if I tried,so I assume i qualify for a position the CPP board. All i need to know is where do I apply?


jay
said

LL,
The probleam is some people are abusing the ei system.While i think it does need to change we aslo need to do something about those abuseing it.


STEVE-BOWMANVILLE
said

I think its time the Canadian government, and all non direct (not at Arms Length) units take a real hard look at how much there being paid in this economy. While Canadians are suffering fiscally. The Government seems to think its ok to lose Canadians money, eg: CPP and hand over Canadians money for those great loses. I wish I, could lose billions and get paid extra, buy a compensation committee. This would be the perfect new career.


DC
said

Hey, cmon they deserve the millions. It takes a lot of education, experience, extra weekends and late nights to drop the value of a fund 17%.

If this makes you upset wait until you see how they pay themselves when they actually make money*.

*Doing the equivalent job of throwing darts at a dartboard marked with respectable index funds.


Scott
said

This is supposed to surprise any one!

They deserve a huge bonus like this.


girl in Edmonton
said

Why cant we opt out of CPP and put that money into RRSPs? I'm not going to get any CPP by the time I retire I don't see why I should be paying some fatcat's retirement fund nor anyone elses!


Brian In Sarnia
said

arm's length... arm's length... not my fault, so nobody has to do anything about it, or... god forbid... prevent this type of criminal activity.


guppies
said

To Harper our useless PM :

Get our money back like US deal with AIG, tax them 100% on bonus.

Case closed ! Done

Free ! No charge to you ! Just do it.


Zand
said

Wow - the audacity astounds me.

I wish I, or anyone really, had a sound suggestion for positive change, but the bottom line is this is such a colossal mess it's going to take a long time to clean this one up.

The fact that the top brass have approved these "bonuses" when so many are being laid off or declaring bankruptcy just amazes me.

Integrity really is like oxygen: the higher up you get, the less there is!


Kevin in Vic
said

I work for the federal government. When it comes time for me to collect my pension, the only one I will receive is the one that I worked for in my particular dept. Anything I get from CPP gets clawed back from my regular pension. This happens to the Military, the RCMP and the Coast Guard. Thanks to some bureaucrat in the 60's the two pensions were tied together and even though you pay into both you can only collect one. On PAPER, you collect both but as far as I'm concerned; anything you paid into CPP isn't worth the gunpowder. CPP is a joke!


paddy
said

Who would you want managing your 100 billion dollar pension fund? These guys are overpaid? So who gets the job? The pimply faced kid who cuts your lawn for $10hr? The bank manager who only turns down applicants? The taxi driver with the PHD in Humanities?
WHO????

By the way, the execs don't set the pay packages, their bosses do. THEY are the ones who are incompetent. How much do THEY make??? How big are THEIR bonusses???


Narin, Montreal.
said

Their argument is that no matter how investors lose or gain, the bonuses are in function of the fund performance to the market index; meaning that if the losses are less than the broad market as a whole then "I deserve to earn every penny".


Charlene in Calgary
said

How can these bosses sleep at night? Knowing the state of our country and the recession it's in I'm shocked these people will even accept this money! Wasn't it just yesterday that the headline was that this country will be 50 billion in debt? Then this today!!!! Come on people - give your head a shake.


Mark in Whitby
said

I would gladly opt out of the CPP and put the money towards my own savings. I saw the housing bubble coming, and the irrational debt loads Americans were taking on. Add to that peak oil. I've invested appropriately, and my portfolio is actually up year/year! I can manage my own savings better than any of these yahoos thank-you very much.


Sally Canuck
said

I, for one, rarely feel than anyone is worth several million dollars per year salary-wise, but people need to look at the bigger picture.

These people handle billions of dollars for all of us. Generally, investment firms take a chunk of the total invested in management fees, and by conventional means, we are actually getting a bargain (~0.017% methinks). Believe it or not, that's a drop in the bucket compared to the amount drawn by people who have never contributed to the fund. My own grandmother, for example, is 85 and going strong, and has never worked a day in her life - I'm she'll draw for many years to come, and am sure there are many more examples like her.

As far as having the choice to opt out of CPP, I'd rather it wasn't an option, as I don't trust others to actually save, and don't feel like supporting them by other means (social assistance, etc.) at a later date, thank you very much.


Linda
said

No one is worth that much money, and especially the ones who are not doing the proper job, again our Government thinks we are complete idiots, everyone should have a government job I do not know how this is justified, please hire someone to follow these CEO'S around and see exactly what they do to qualify for this outrageous bonus's and wages, and by the way pay the reporter equal amount of pay.


Cowgirl Junkie
said

so when it comes to paying bonuses - "nothing we can do...it's ARMS LENGTH..."

But when it's about nuclear safety, there is all types of political interfernece.

Different friends..different rules...


guppies
said

Harper said is not him.

As a PM should he step in and fix this. Do like the US handle AIG tax them 100%.

If he can't do anything. He should step down.

As a matter of fact is our money.

No bonus to all Govt. servants will fix this once and for all.

How many more cans of worm will open before the next election.



Monty
said

Wonderful. As a self-employed sole proprietor, I'm required to pay the employee and employer's portion each year to the CPP, essentially paying it twice.

Now I know where the other half is going.


Tricia in Ontario
said

Peter Drake
Speor

You folks and myself seem to be the only ones who understand how this works.

I have no problem with talented, educated financial experts making a few million to manage a 105 billion dollar fund. You get what you pay for in terms of competence.

People, the government doesn't have their fingers in every Board. They are rightfully at arm's length and not controlled by parliament.

You and I may not make that much money, but I'm not jealous - I don't really care. Work hard enough, have the intelligence, drive, ambition and breaks and you could as well.

This is not a communist state - thank goodness.

Optics of this may be unfortunate, but that doesn't make it wrong.

And I agree - shame on CTV for making this such a 'political' story.

It will be interesting if this gets posted, as my last 3 comments have not made it to the site.





Nick in Gatineau
said

The Subprime and Financial crisis was predicted in 1998, discussed from 1998 to 2003, and acknowledged by the UN, the World Bank, the WTO, the OEDC (OECD ? - I always mix this one up) and the IMF as of 2003.

Every country on the planet knew it was coming. Every country in the world knew it was coming. Every Finance Minister of every country knew it was coming. Everyone knew that all it took was 1 loan to be called in.

Conservative governments around the globe decided to dismiss the findings as wishful thinking.

Liberal governments around the globe started putting money aside and amass surpluses.

I know who I'm voting for next time around - and it won't be based on leadership.


K Jerome
said

I't time we as Canadians stop taking this treatment from our governments. They protest and take to the streets by the hundreds of thousands in other countries. We are so complacent we just sit on our duffs and comment on the computer. We need organization and we need to scream for what we think is right. We have booth lost our jobs and I am our of EI and can't sell my house to even move to a bigger center. How does all this ridiculous spending assist your average Canadian!

Someone help me here. I am about to move to Cuba.. I'd be warm and better off!

NO MORE BONUES FOR ANYONE!!! Take home pay only. Your brilliant mind is not worth this or you wouldn't have lost money...


g.
said

hahahaha

for all of you that blasted the tamils for their protests lately, maybe you should do the same

these officials do this BECAUSE they know you won't do anything more than rant on here....

you all dont want to hear it but you are getting EXACTLY the governement you deserve....


Eva Snow
said

Mr. Harper you need to step in and for once do the right thing. Nobody and I mean NOBODY needs to make 8.5 million a year.

Stop this or you will pay with your political life during the next election.

This is an absolute travesty of justice and MUST be stopped, they should be ashamed of themselves...Canadians have had enough!!!!


Disgusted Tax Payer
said

Why on earth do these people need bonuses when they have hefty salaries to begin with?? Remember Marie Antoinette and 'let them eat cake'....history has a way of repeating itself.


Balgonie Bob
said

I wonder how our country would do if we paid our Prime Minister and his Cabinet that well.


Marcus Delarkus
said

And how much of that amount would get kicked back? Regardless, one word- disgusting.


DMR
said

Considering that CPP deductions from my income are mandatory, I don't think these people should get a dime beyond a health benefits, disability, and a fixed salary with raises tied to the inflation rate (now -ve)...

At the end of the day, Government employees are largely a drain on the economy (minus some we need). In general, government does not produce goods or services of value to trade or export, and the $$$ it requires to keep a bloated government running.

Government needs to be smaller, and during times of recession like now, it needs to be decreasing it's burden on citizens (economy) rather than growing...


Alberta Believer
said

Its just like when there's a strike, the union bosses still get paid whilst their sucker members strike for free.

You know the saying ... to those who have more will be given while those who don't have, even what they do not have will be taken from them.

Its reasons like this that people turn to faith. Why get mad? Why try to get even when you can't? So perhaps you can see it as stealing and you may decide to steal. But then you get caught and go to jail for your theft whereas they get to enjoy their millions.

The world is unjust ... God isn't so don't envy their gains. But if this is nutty and means nothing to you ... what do you propose to do about the CPP bosses?

Eleanor McIntosh
said

Anyone can opt out of paying CPP, it just means that you can't claim EI or other benefits ( I think that this is the case!), You might as well keep your money under the mattress or invest it yourself


not impressed
said

This money should be put back into the economy not given out as bonuses to people who don't need it. I would be ashamed to show my face!


Craig
said

Just to point out to all those blaming Harper for this mess, it was Paul Martin in 1997 who set up the CPP Investment Board and made it an agency that is arms length from the government.

I certainly don't think that the board should be making as much as they are, but this board was in operation for a decade before Harper came to power and nobody had a problem with it then. This situation certainly isn't Harper's fault and if he were to step in he would get blamed for messing around with an agency that is supposed to be at arm's length of the government... just like every other time he takes action on something with a Catch-22 situation.


Jim - Saskatoon
said

A good Liberal idea. Look at who set it up and lay the blame at the leaders feet.




Dave W in Alberta
said

Boy, am I sure glad I haven't been counting on the CPP being around when I'm able to collect (in about 25 years now). If this is what happens when the fund loses money, what was happening before? These guys should be giving their bonuses back. Fortunately, as I'm self-employed and therefore never able to access an employer-funded plan, I've always tried to max my RRSPs. Despite the "economic downturn" (c'mon, just call it a recession already!) at least my RRSPs will likely be around when I retire.


Prynce
said

Staunch conservative Supporter here!

Funny how people blame the conservatives yet these same executives enjoyed a liberal regime. Anyhow no matter what party lines , 8.5 million is more then a lottery win.........I dont give 2 pennies about caring whether they can compete for talent out there I would rather see an average middle income canadian make just 200,000 of that. They'll at least spend it in Canada, and they'll probably do it smarter. No one is worth 8.5 million in a government organization. Its our tax dollars our government should have a say on wages.




Kevin
said

They already taking a 43% cut and like anybody else they should get pay regardless the fund make money or not


sick and tired of brown suger,
said

Holy smokes, this is just nicely done, ok so we have to pay into cpp right, i had the impression it was with the government, and they get the bonusees, guess what folks, our hard earned dollars went to something right,, i am not even old enought to collect it yet, turning 56 on monday, and already hearing there will be nothing left for a pension, well people lets all band together and get us some gov seats and change how our country is run, tired of it,, well lets just start giving them a run for their money, i know i do have a few skeltons in my closet but i have been a supporter of the ndp, and conservatives, but i gotta tell ya i dont know them libs are starting to look not to bad, i just want a fair shake like the rest of us do,, but this, well there wont be a damn thing left for anyone short of private pensions by the time there through, sick of it,, yeah you bet ya,, elections folks lets send a message,, bs to boards who run our pensions,,,have a good one and prayers to all


Broke
said

I've always said the cpp is a scam. Money taken from me to be used by who?? for what??. It's near impossible to live on it...if you're lucky enough to get it in the first place. The CPP steals my money while I struggle to make ends meet for my family. I say fire the cpp heads and give me all my money back. I'll be working till I die anyway just to pay the bills.


DG in SK
said

To all those who wouldn't want the 100+billion dollar fund to be run by someone makeing 75K, they really shoulnd't need to invest the money in a wild market when they could just buy Canadian Federal and Provicial Treasuries and make a decent 3-5% increase every year without the lost of 10's of billions of dollars on the whim of men trying to screw over the public in investment shcemes and illegal business dealings. You would need these guys stealing 10's of millions each year, which would leave more money in the coffers for the future.


Gene Adams
said

And then they are doing the clawback from the men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces who put their lives on the line for this country. Shame on them for doing this


ADM Saskatchewan
said

This is really bad. Can't this be stopped? Why is This being allowed when the deficit is so high already


miffed in the military
said

Hey - I work for the gov't - why can't I get a bonus? Heck, after 20 years in the military - my pension isn't even over $20K/yr and CPP get millions in bonuses each year - what's up with that?



Hard working Canadian
said

Where do I go to sign an online petition against this??

I cannot believe this!!!!


John, in Stony Mountain MB
said

I agree with the comments from, hahahaha. We get exactly what we deserve because we sit and grumble a lot and tomorrow we go on to the next grumble. These fat cats know this and keep getting away with these things.



Bear
said

It's my guess that this board of governors was appointed by the former liberal government. Surprise, surprise.Guess who's making the loudest noise now.


Robert Buchanan
said

In any normal, rational, private business, if you do exactly the same as the year before, you don't expect a "bonus" of any kind.

Now lose 20% of the company's value on my watch, and I would be expecting a kick out the door with minimal termination.


Don in Amherst
said

Why are we surprised? CPP has NO govt money involved in the fund as the monies come from our paychecks and our employer's contributions. (except where the govt contributes as an employer) Wait till the growing list of the unempliyed notice that CPP payments are reportable earnings. Some of our older workers who think about applying for CPP to help bridge the financial gap during these times new to be aware of the Federals Govt's appetite for our hard`earned money to pay for scandals like these that pop up every week. The Govt neds to take control of this civil service


Dave in Jasper
said

Who sets up these bonuses? If the fund is down this year and there is a foreseen shortage going forward...what right do these executives have to a bonus. Maybe I'm just bitter that I don't recieve a bonus for poor performance


Cary In Vancouver
said

This sounds okay, we need the best people to look after our money, I would be afraid to see what the government would do to it if they were in control of it. And since the bonuses are paid on rolling four year average it will all work out.


KH Victoria BC
said

$50,000,000,000

Thank-you Federal Conservative Party...

Oh yeah... please ensure your Department Heads are well compensated...


Lois in Ontario
said

I agree with Tricia in Ont and B in TO and Paddy. The general public does not understand the competition to get competant fund managers. We can't believe anyone is worth that much $, but folks, they are looking after $100 billion that needs to be preserved and grown to enhance the future of millions of Cdns. We need the best talent to protect our investment. Although the fund lost $, it didn't lose as much as everyone else, only because these fellows reacted appropriately to minimize unexpected and unavoidable losses. If you want CPP to be there - even the pittance it will be, we need these guys to do a good job, and this is what it costs to get them. The bonuses irk, but we should be grateful for the talent we have.


GWinnipeg
said

Congratualtions Governement of Canada, you've just made up my mind - I'm not paying taxes anymore.


Brad Rush
said

Aha this is where the dough goes...

You can't even collect a CPP disability pension now unless you worked so many years previous to the application.

Most of us working stiffs are underfunded besides.
We could work everyday till retirement and still not get the maximum CPP pension of for this year its $908.75 per month

Oh the death benefit thats maxed at around $2500 now.
Some years ago my mother on her death, her estate couldn't collect the death benefit.
They, CPP said they couldn't find a record of her working long enough thru the years so her estate was refused the death benefit.
So much for serving her country in the war like she did(though a separate issue)

But they sent a nice letter about being sorry about it.
Thanks a lot Guys!!



JKi
said

This is disgusting.
Why are these people being rewarded for driving nails into the coffins......

It is not their money, but made on the backs on Canadians who are just getting by.

We should be ashamed.


Harper will never get my vote
said

Harper must go!


Let's blame the C.A.W.!!
said

Isn't there some way that we can blame the C.A.W. or General Motors for this??


Diane Rioux
said

This is the problem with government in general.

In the private sector, shareholders have at least some control over irresponsible corporate spending, and at the very least, they can sell their stock if they don't like what's happening or push for reorganization.

In the public sector, taxpayers have NO CONTROL. If there is a shortage of funds, the government simply raises our taxes. We have no say in the matter and we can't even opt out. In fact, we're pursued criminally for trying.

We are in the midst of a recession...some say we're approaching a depression, and yet government jobs and wages are as stable and secure as ever.

If the government can't control the bonuses of CPP executives, who does? Why don't you let us all know so that we can do something about it?

Diane Rioux
Ottawa


Marg MM
said

Typical ranting and raving over nothing. Everyone lost on the stockmarket last year(unless of course you are a Liberal who can see into the future, HA HA). It certainly seems that these bonus are hefty, but come on, do you seriously want some uneducated person that makes minimum wage running CPP?

In order to get qualified personell, you have to pay the "big bucks", and that often includes bonuses. When the stock market rebounds are you going to credit the Gov't for all the money they made. I think not.

It seems that CPP has more than enough in their funds to continue paying out pensions, so don't worry,all is not lost. Naturally it would take Jack Layton " king of the socialists" to pick this up and run with it, knowing full well that there are alot of uneducated people around that will come to the wrong conclusion.

I am happily collecting my CPP, and am not in the least worried that it will decrease or disapear and neither should you be.

Me thinks too much "fearmongering by the media, the Liberals and NDP.




Murray@Cobourg
said

We watch immigrants demonstrate in our streets and disrupt our lives when their country does their realative wrong and our country lets it happen..Maybe as Canadians we should all demonstrate on how our government is treating us badly by screwing us...Payouts like this should not be allowed..Just because they THINK they are important because they work for government,give me a break!!!They still get a paycheque and a damn good one at that...Time for Canadians to take a stand and say no more...


ben
said

so bad


Lorne fr Agassiz
said

I just seen the head of the CPP( I think) on politics with don newman and I'm digusted. she smiles and talks like its all fine that she and all here worker get bonuses, What is with this bonus crap.
You get hires to do a job to the best of your abilities! Paying people a bonus for doing there job is just unreal,But she smiles as she says its was right for her to get her full bonus as well as pay for travel expence for a employee to travel from out of the province to work.
God no wonder we are taxed so high and have nothing to show for it , its because ever member of the elected government is stealing our hard earn and harder paid taxes!
NO MORE BONUSES OF ANY KIND TO ANYONE FOR ANY REASON AT ANYTIME.
I pay high taxes, now we know why!
In my opinion they are all thieves!
THEY MUST GO!


DC from London
said

How can something that is required by our govenment for us to pay into, not controlled by that very govenment.
If they don't need govenment approval to fork out that money we should have the choice to not pay.


Lets all give em a call
said

What I would like to see is the paper post the telephone numbers and address for these individuals to allow the public to share their thoughts with these indivuals!

How do we contact these people at the CPP?


Kris Montreal
said

This is decidedly scandalous. But whatever the arguments may be pro or con these awards and bonuses, I would be very curious to know what EXACTLY these people do all day long. That's, of course, if they do indeed put in full days' work and full weeks' work. It would also be very interesting to know what their holiday structures a like. Methinks there's more play than work going on with those people.


21st Century Breakdown
said

I love living in this age of paranoia and outright corruption.
These last 100 years or so must be the first time in human history a population would tolerate this kind of abuse.
I say if they want millions in "bonuses" they got to fire the Governor General first. WTH is she good for anyway? Wasting more money gallavanting around living it up for no reason. My God, it's just a disgusting world.


Independently Minded
said

Umm, if a company looses money, should not the executives be under review?

NOT receive a freeking BONUS!!

What is this, Wall Street???


Russ Dunne
said

This doesn't surprise me at all, maybe Revenue Canada should Tax the bonuses with a 99.9% Bonus Tax . These Executives are so Overpaid it is insulting, then they receive these so called bonuses for what? Leaving an imprint of their enormous Butt in an office chair? We should deny them the bonuses as they have denied so many their Pensions for disabilities etc. Let them be on the receiving end of the letter saying their Benefits are Denied. Many recipients off CPP benefits live below the poverty line while these bureaucrats get fat pay outs, totally insulting.


CPP $700
said

I am not buying anymore lottery tickets.Rather than win the big one I would rather have a government job for life.With a guarenteed yearly bonus of course.How in Gods name do you apply for them.This is a scam,just like the silver that was put up for auction.I wonder whose political friends have them sitting at home.Politics is just so sleazy.


Glenn from Yellowknife
said

I'm missing something here, these guys are responsible for over 100 Billion dollars of our money, they should make lots of money. I'm surprised it only went down 17 Billion and not 50 Billion. Give yourselves another 10 million boys and keep up the good work


tony
said

Not employees only executives. All departments get this Access to information, all federal agency's the exec get a bonus to keep costs down eg. not hiring to the extent of your staff members thing about it if you can save cost by not hiring 2 ppl say getting paid 40,000 a yr that saves the agency 80,000 in pay alone not incuding cpp, and other expenses.


PO'd in Western Canada
said

Excuse me!!! But I don't care who you are - no one deserves that kind of obscene compensation!!! I hope they DON'T sleep at night ever again! In fact we should all put a hex on them! Put that money back into the coffers for the pensioners to use - because they are the ones that need it not those arrogant overpaid idiots who think they're all that and a bag of chips!!! Now we know where all our hard earned money is going - into the pockets of robbers!!!


Ray Luft
said

After we make the Wall Street vulture funds in charge of the American car companies happy and while we're working on selling our nuclear industry to the Americans, we still have time and money for our do-little bureaucrats. Isn't that nice. I'll sure as hell be dead before this lot gets paid for.


Retired Soldier in Kingston, ON
said

Ahhh yes - CEO's and their extravagant bonus' and / or "compensation" packages, paid for courtesy of the long-suffering taxpayers!

There is nothing that makes taxpayers or voters, anywhere, more apoplectic than watching these inept corporate buffoons misallocate our hard-earned tax dollars and/or CPP contributions like drunken sailors and then award themselves gold-plated bonuses!

If I had done this in my military day-job, I'd be summarily charged with fraudulent behaviour and unceremoniously hustled off to Service Detention Barracks in Edmonton for a prolonged "vacation"!

How do these people sleep at night and more to the point...why does'nt our Minister of the Treasury Board, Gordon O'Connor, ex-Brig General, take action and fire them all!

Pro Patria!


Josh in High Prairie
said

Perhaps they could take a more reasonable bonus of a week's work of pay and put the rest back into the fund where it should be!


R NS
said

Military Veterans get their pensions clawed back, while these fat cats get rich beyond belief.
The system has very serious flaws, not the fault of the present goverment...but the present goverment could fix it.


Macaustin
said

yes,I lost my job,there is still ongoing debate on how many more hours I should do to qualify for EI but my hard earned money is freely given to CPP CEO's.Hey canada let's wakeup and learn how to take care of ourselves,somehow all of will end up in the same place


Pip
said

Instead of whining and complaining on this board, why aren't you writing your MP and the PM and the leaders of the other parties? Get their email address from the parl.gc.ca website.

If everyone posting here did that, then you MIGHT get results; otherwise you are wasting your time, just producing a lot of "sound and fury, signifying nothing".


Jo
said

The government better get involved. This money comes from the backs of hard working people, most minimum wage earners. I'm sure that this practice has been going on for some time, so the liberals have no right to be criticizing the opponents. However, two wrongs don't make a right, and this should be looked into and changed immediately. We the people must make our voices heard and react and not sit back and take this. No wonder it was mentioned that there may not be enough CPP for our future pensioners. Then the government has the gall to claw back pensions earned by military personnel, who are fighting for your freedom. Canadians, stand up and have your say!!


Dave in Perth
said

I tell ya, politicians don't pay their taxes and that's OK, these guys get bonuses for failing because they are guaranteed, there is something seriously wrong with the world today. It's all take and entitlement. It's just more incredulous everyday. Don't worry about us there guys. If we can find work we'll top up the CPP fund for you so you can feed at the trough next year.


Ron in the West
said

Mr. Harper please put an end to this foolishness. Everyone has had enough.


Aline
said

That is a real shame! the rich get richer and the poor get poorer...where are we going? I should have kept my contribution to cpp which I did for 41 years and invest it myself.


James
said

On top of being an irresponsible and inept government, Harper simply doesn't care about ordinary Canadians. So long as he has a job, and his cohorts have jobs. Who cares about average Canadians eh?

Harper should not have said anything, but to stick up for the bonuses are a slap in the face. He'll stand for those top execs to pinch millions from the CPP, but won't lift a finger to help make EI uniform across the country. How backwards is that?


Laura
said

The posters that allude to the fact that these "bandits" are worth the money should have their heads read. I wonder how many of you posted negative remarks regarding the CEO of GM, or bitched about the CEO of Hydro taking a multi million $ severance.

The Prime Minister doesn't make $3-4 Million per year and his job is significantly more comprehensive than these clowns.

This is nothing more than protected corporate greed and why would anyone be surprised that Mr. Harper once again has his hands in his pockets saying he can't do anything.

I'm sure his cabinet is meeting as I write this to somehow turn the blame on the Opposition. That is the one thing the Conservatives are actually adept at.


prairie boy
said

I had hoped to start collecting CPP next year, but maybe it will be all gone in bonuses.


ComposMentis in Vancouver
said

Such abuses are seen in the private sector as well. Index funds, people, index funds..... A monkey could do as good a job as 95% of fund managers.


Grim - Regina
said

Just to clarify. CPP is a crown corporation. It is owned by the government (Canadian taxpayers) but administered at arms length much like a private corporation. Crown corps are much more flexible in their hiring practices and so forth. As a federal employee it is not accurate to call them government employees in the same vein as those that work for the different government ministries. Why dump on federal employees anyways - our wages are quite average and in the past have lagged private industry quite considerably. If we are going to dump on high pay let's dump on mine labourers that make 100G's doing unskilled labour. How right is that? If you don't like your pay cheque get a different job. Everyone is entitled to make a decent living to support their families.


PeterS
said

Ridiculous! One would think that the CPP Investment Board would take a leaf from President Oboma's play book. The executive should return these ludicrous bonuses! However, PM Harper will just duck the point therby letting the rich get richer as the rest of the country falls farther and farther back...thanks a lot Steve, rather than ducking the issue, why don't you tell us how you can justify this?


Pat in the Peg
said

And the rich keep getting richer and the poorer have to fight to even get help with their rent.....

I hope these people do not live in fancy houses and do not give a shred of money to any sort of community based charity. If they just hoard it all that would be real sad. Really really sad.

I wish my boss saw my value that high, then it would be worth not getting a vacation in over 5 years..... And no weekends off. Nope, I do not see my pay check even going up over those five years either, so I guess that will have to be up to me winning the lottery. And we know how sure that is! About as sure as me having a pention to get me through my old age. That is why I am glad that my family line has a short life span, I will not get a pention anyways.
Forget about working on finding a cure for anything now, we have nothing to keep us in our old age anyways by the time I get to that ripe old age.....


Aaron Sri
said

My dad (age 55) is disabled, stroke has affected his left side of his body and he is out of job. CPP is giving him $600, mom is out of work on EI. If they do this to my dad they surely do it to a whole lot of others.


david sawkiw [saskatchewan farmer]
said

I think we need a really good lawyer and file a class-action suit with every Canadian that ever paid a penny into the plan........


Ignorance and Mismanagment Must Stop
said

The entire governmental system must change. One lousy vote from the tax payers should not give the government free and clear responsibility to do what ever they want. We live in the information age and it is time the tax payers have Much More say in government decisions.

Who ever is in charge of the CPP office should be fired on the spot - no excuses while Canadians go to the UI line in record numbers to collect a few pennies... Totally disgraceful... Heads Must Roll!

Time for this Conservative Gov to Go !!!


chris
said

soo the board who's most likely freinds with the pension board decides the bonus lol

and How can a bonus be more then the salary
there should be limits like maybe 10%
soo if u make 450 000 u can get 45 000 bonus

but WHY bonus
why should any1 get bonus for doing there jobs
i dont
most of u dont
u do ur job u get ur paycheck not 2x 3x u paycheck
FIRE THEM ALL
the pension board and board who decides bonus
and remove there pensions


Don
said

Why do these executives get such high bonuses in the millions?
No-one is worth this much money. When they got the job they know what their pay scale is. Their pay is what they should receive nothing more. I do my job well and don't receive anything extra. why should they?
Stop all these crazy extras once and for all Mr Harper. I'm pissed!!!


Sue
said

I think I should refuse to pay CPP out of my paycheck too.


Alan Tunney
said

Greed, greed and more greed! Take as much money as you can before anyone notices. Is it any wonder why our economies are in such a sorry state.


David H
said

Obscene


Joseph
said

Totally appalling to say the least. I'm a soldier in the miliary and when I retire I have to work as my pension don't make ends meet, and that's after serving 20 plus yrs. Every other Canadian should be totally disgusted as well. I've never seen the likes of it. What in God's name is wrong with the system. We're either handing out money to the natives who think they deserve everything or to the higher echelon in the government who robs tax payers every day while the working person gets nothing for their efforts. I'm disgusted.


James Northern Ontario
said

READ MY LIPS.....

NO BONUSES!

As Canada's economy fails, jobs disappear, you give millions of dollars to people that have mismanaged and made it a complete headache for the average person to collect a pension!

I wish I could get a bonus like this, then I would donate it to all the people treated like second class citizens trying to collect CPP and oh what a tax rite-off.... another bonus!


sdgreen
said

This is outrageous and must stop. Here we have a government agency whose executives are making millions on the backs of Canadians/Employers.

These twits should not be making any more than a Deputy Minister /Assistant Deputy Minister.

The right to such entitlements by government workers, managers and excutive and those in arms length agencies or Crown Corporations must be significantly curtailed.


David Franklyn
said

Is it any wonder that most Canadians have lost total respect for our government and politicans. They send kids to kill in the middle east while at home the politicans and their pals like Denison and so many more, bleed the system for all its worth. If it was known for certain that the earth would disappear in a week they'd still be stealing the country blind... sorry boys bribes don't work as well in the afterlife as they do in Ottawa.


Frank from Calgary
said

Yesterday we all figured
the Tories should be fired thanks to a record defit.

Today, let's fire all these idiots that made bad investments with my CPP contributions.

Tomorrow, let's fire all those repsponsible for Unemployment Insurance.

I want a reason to vote again after my kids talked me out of it.


A in N.L.
said

come on people, surely no one is shocked or even mildly surprised at this. Anyone with a grain of common sense knows the government has always wasted money and hard working people like yourselves are always the ones who will pay for it in the end and the bigshots will get richer every day. we can complain all we like and that will never change also it's not only the federal government that is run like this, it is every provincial government as well. They're all a bunch of hyprocrits who don't care about us- the ordinary people.As long as thier pockets are lined everything is fine.


Mad in Edmonton
said

THIS IS AN ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE ... IT MAKES ME SICK!!!!!!

How can they possibly justify this?????

Something has to done about this, and the fact that the one person who can do something(ie . Harper) is sitting on his hands makes me even sicker!!!!!
Get him out of office! He obviously doesnt care about Canadians who are struggling right now.


Remarkable
said

Well, all you need is a little education, some connections and regardless of how poor you do a job as an exec for CPP (That's our money people), you are allowed to take home millions of dollars in bonuses.....just because!

I can honestly say, that these people are not exactly doing a stellar job.




William
said

CPP bosses to receive millions in bonuses is, in my estimation, the result of the bosses not using all their budgets, which they forecasted, for the fiscal year. As the end of the fiscal year draws closer the CPP bosses know they have an excess in their budgets. So, to resolve the imbalance in the forecast and excess the bosses pay themselves bonuses. Ergo, they don't return any of the department's budget excess back to the government treasury. I am a CPP/OAS recipient and this money grab by CPP execs stinks


Alberta Redneck
said

Hmmm. While I do NOT blame the government for this excess, I do think the independant Board of Directors needs to think about its course with some diligence. If they refuse to smell the coffee THEN the governments of this country should turf our the board. This is a different world, No longer are fund managers on Bay Street or on Wall Street collecting multi-million dollar bonuses and since the CPP is, in reality a huge mutual fund, we shoudl follow the lead of the other mutuals. And seeing what was about to happen did not take a brain surgeon. My investment advisor came to me well over a year ago and said, I am getting nervous about this market. I asked his advice and he said, lets convert the whole magilla to cash. We did and I am down maybe 5% where the CPP is down 24%. They should hire my advisor except I will not tell them who it is :)



said

To the Dufus who blasted Miners for 100G salaries - you try it - they risk their lives daily, and when they shower - it's because they sweat their butts off! They don't work in armchairs!!

As for our tax dollars going for bonuses for high priced bean counters - shame on them!! stuff the baloney please about the need to pay that much for those positions.

My father was a miner who slept most evenings because he was so tired. His bonus was a Xmas turkey.

Stuff that!


Vickie
said

I wonder what would happen if EVERY Canadian who is employed decided to write a letter refusing to pay CPP, EI and Income Tax until such time as the entire system is hollowed out and revamped?

Think it would make Ottawa stand up and notice?

There are forms you can submit to your employer stating you will pay Income Tax at a later date and get all of your pay in your pocket. Put your taxes etc in the bank to draw interest...you earn it not Ottawa.

I like the idea of a class action law suit as well, any good lawyers out there strong enough to take this one on?


Elizabeth, Ontario
said

There is absolutely no way bonuses of any size should be paid from public monies. This has to be stopped. No one is worth the kind of money that these people are earning never mind bonuses that amount to more than their annual earnings. What a slap in the face to all Canadian workers who have contributed to this fund only to find out our money, our future pension, is being frittered away on a few very greedy government employees. Stop it already!


Amy in Toronto
said

You do not need to pay this much money to "compete for talent" in this deflationary period. If we are really paying for "talent", then the CPP would not have lost money. The fact that these executives lost money like everyone else means that they are just "average", not so talented. Go ahead and see what other talented people who were recently laid off will take to do this job.

By the way, Harper should really control this issue better than just saying that it is not a government decision. This is a government job. If he is not able to control this, then who is?


Ray Fortier
said

This is sheer lunacy. First of all bonuses are paid out for exceptional administrative success not record financial losses.It is time to regulate the regulators, those that have final say on financial gain in their own little worlds. Any bonus should be geared to the ratio of economic gain as created by those in charge,in relative ratios. Economic loses should result in no bonus payouts and salary reductions.


Cadub
said

High Priced Bean Counters - stuff the Need to Pay that much baloney!
-BTW my father spent his life in mining - so exhausted that he slept most evenings then went to bed. IF he had made 100G he would have deserved it - his Xmas bonus was a turkey!!


Ian
said

Roger T, you should stop with the knee jerk reaction that it's the government that is always to blame (aka Harper) and realize that there are many many things that go on in "government" that have absolutely nothing to do with the party in power. Remember that these guys are mandarins and are independent of the government, and Jack Layton knows this but likes to make political hay out of everything. I guess it comes from years of sitting on the sidelines criticizing. That's all he knows how to do.


al cole
said

Demonstrates yet again a government 'policy' of " do as we say/not as we do". What a fine example of double-speak!


Bob in NS
said

There should be no bonuses for Government employees. Ever. Period. They get a salary, they get a pension. If they want more, work in the public sector.


GJ
said


like pigs to the trough


korie
said

this is a sad story indeed! what ever happened to responsible government? for too long voters have been complacent about their civic rights and duties (this is aimed at those non voters out there) and gross mismanagement has happened as a result!

a wise man once said that the people should not fear it's government but the government should fear it's people...these words have never rang truer!

fire them with out bonus...if you are caught STEALING from your employer that is the punishment. tax them on all their misbegotten income!


Denise
said

That is totally outrageous!!! While the taxpayer struggle to make ends meet, loosing jobs, houses, their livelihood, starving. The fat cats at the top get a bonus!!! Forget my vote PC party.


John P.Harwood
said

What is wrong with our society whereby we allow these high-class cheats & swindlers to rip off the public? Can they sleep at night, realizing that there are poor, desperate unemployed people who do not know how to pay their rent or where their next meal might come from? If the CPP has lost all that money, they should be fired for their incompetence, instead of being rewarded millions of dollars for it. I notice that the words "performance benefit" have conveniently disappeared from the obscenely excessive compensations which these societal parasites receive.


A Koster - BC
said

For those saying that it is not the government's fault since this is an independent body... it was one government at sometime that decided to take the excess of what was needed in payments for the year, and to invest it.
Funny how as an individual investor reaching retirement, the advice is to get out of something so risky as the stock market, and yet the trustees of our hard earned dollars are playing the lotto with it.
It's no wonder that there is no intention to revamp the pension system. While the elderly are barely getting by with what they currently get, these fatcats eat steak, have luxury cars and homes, and get obscene pay and bonuses.
It's up to government to get the CPP fund back to where it's safe and available for those that have paid into it and have trusted the government to have it ready for them when they need it.


Ian Ottawa
said

BS. There is no reason for a bonus for these well paid executives. If the job was done well then they earned the pay they were given. I just don't get it.


Afghan Vet
said

Sickening...

Veteran Affairs does not have enough money to compensate wounded veterans...but goverment fat cats are rich beyond belief.


LYNE
said

Okay Canadians, let's unite and stop paying this CPP, how do we stop that, I have no idea...but God help these robbers. And I thought I was a good Christian but when I read this, I wish all of them ill. I really cannot imagine how they sleep at night!?!?!?!


Tryna Keepitreel
said

Two hundred and ten comments thus far and after a quick skim through it's frieghtening how little people know and I cringe when I read comments from those that blame the government. You don't think previous governments followed the same governance formula for CPP ? Somehow this was all Harper's brainchild? Like someone posed the question, Do you really want somebody with a few community college accounting credits running a multi billion dollar fund on a 45k salary ?


doug
said

That money belongs to the people of Canada for their pensions not to be given out to management. Publicize the board members names along with their email addresses. Make them personally accountable for their fiscal management. Let me at them. Grrrr


Mud Man Mike
said

Ok, seriously, this has got to end. All these fat cats who make all these outragous bonuses are exactly what have put us into this financial meltdown to begin with. Granted this is a gov't deal, but still, in 5 to 10 years when all the "baby-boomers" are retired, there won't be a CPP program in place, and Davey McGreed Factory would have taken another 10 to 15 million in bonuses that would have paid for at least a few thousand Canadians to have a decent retirement. I am so sick of this. It's fantastic to know that the amount I take off of my paycheck for CPP is going into a brick driveway for Davey's massive home.


fordshipper
said

i would like to take this time to say what a great job you guys at cpp have done for all us canadians.oh ya...what was that again? oh doesnt matter enjoy your bonuses....again great job guys!


john
said

Those people are worse than Robin Hood at least he stole from the rich they have no shame


Most of you are dupes who have no idea
said

of how Harper's gang have been ripping you off.

You're still jingling your two cents off the GST and thinking you're ahead of the game.


American with relatives in Canada
said

Typical Conservatives, only looking out for their corporate "good ole boys" on Bay Street. They are just like republicans in the United States!! Corporate "good ole boys" come first and screw everyone else. Companies are tanking and they receive bonuses!! As long as the politicians are getting money for their campaigns, why should they give a crap about what unlawful and dirty things corporate CEO's are getting away with?? In the US and Canada, were just bailing these Corporations out so they can continue to fail and the CEO's can get richer!! What is the world coming to??


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