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Date: Tue. May. 26 2009 1:31 PM ET

Canadians could be paying $2 for a litre of gasoline after oil rises as high as US$200 a barrel during the next economic cycle, says a Canadian author.

Former CIBC chief economist Jeff Rubin argues in his book, "Why Your World Is About To Get A Whole Lot Smaller: Oil and the End of Globalization," that while oil has been cheaper during the current recession, it's not going to be that way for long.

Because global demand remains strong and oil reserves are continually being depleted, he said prices will go up.

This will then drive up shipping costs, forcing many countries to rely on their local economy to support manufacturing and other key industries.

So it will no longer make "economic sense" to produce goods in one part of the world and sell them in another "no matter how much the wage difference is," he told CTV's Canada AM Tuesday.

"Who would have dreamt that triple-digit oil prices would breathe new life into our rust belt? But that's exactly what's going to happen. Long lost jobs are soon going to be coming home."

He said raw materials are sometimes shipped from Europe and processed in China before being sold in North America.

Rubin said if the price of oil is too much to make this type of industry profitable, businesses will have to cut down on transportation costs and produce goods closer to consumers by hiring local workers, he said.

Rubin was the chief economist and chief strategist at CIBC World Markets for 20 years but quit earlier this year. He's also credited with being the first economist to predict triple-digit oil prices.

Rubin argued while the global recession has been blamed on a faulty financial sector plagued with toxic assets, oil is really to blame.

"When we look around the world, we see recessions that were twice as deep as they were in the U.S. and occurred even before the U.S. recession. That can't just be about sub-prime mortgages."

Rather, he said oil prices that reached about $150 a barrel is what caused the globe to slip into its deepest recession since the 1930s.

"Every time we've had huge oil shocks in the past we've had global recessions. Guess what? This was the biggest shock of them all, so why wouldn't we have the deepest recession of them all."

On Monday, the average price of gasoline in Canada rose to $1 per litre for the first time in seven months.

At this time last year, oil was trading for US$130 a barrel on world markets. But on Monday, a barrel of crude was around US$61.

Leaders from the Organization of Petroleum Producing Countries have said this year that they want the price of crude at US$70 a barrel.

Most analysts say if oil remains at its current price, it will keep the group from cutting production any further.

Oil has rallied because of investor optimism that the worst of the recession is over and that demand for crude may start to rise.

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Roger T
said

YES it'll bring back jobs to Alberta while the rest of the country suffers because no one is buying cars because of the HIGH gas prices. Its bad enough right now that GM & Chrylser is in the reds, the last thing we consumers need is the high gas prices.

Thank goodness I didn't buy a new car for the sake of having one.

But nevertheless, it's good to be informed early rather than later. It's a sign to ALL consumers not to buy cars.


Sheik Nanook
said

WHO is going to be able to afford gas prices that high? Isn't that what started this recession?


dave
said

Fear monger; Last time gas was 100$ a barrel, gas was 1 dollar a litre, what's going on this time? Gas is 60 dollars a barrel, we are paying 97 cents a litre.

Who's getting rich here? Lets scare everyone before we get out of this slump!!!


Dale - Edmonton
said

Yet another leech trying to make a lot of money by making people panic. Similar books were published during the last recession predicting our entire economic system would collapse.

Mr. Rubin has as much credibility as my ex-wife's lawyer. He missed his chance, people were in full panic mode a few months ago, we've had a chance to get over it Jeff.


Oh, him again
said

We need positive news not this garbage. People like him just can't get it through their heads that what drives the economy (or destroys it) is the consumer - no more, no less.

We talked ourselves into the current downturn simply by listening to people like him and the ever negative media and we can just as easily get out of it by getting our confidence back and thinking for ourselves.

Oh yes, I lost my job in March like a lot of Canadians but I'm sure as hell not running around trying to tell everyone that this is the end of he world.

Jeff Rubin, stop putting the very fear in people you keep talking about. People, think for yourself.


Lorne
said

We now have an economist that predicts higher oil prices.

Why did he not predict the recession/depression we are now in? We could have prepared better.

Rising oil prices are a foregone conclusion and you don't need to be an economist to predict increased costs. Common sense will tell you that.

Should prices hit $200/barrel, people will just drive less and stay at home. They will not buy vehicles and things that are not a necessity to life.
People can adapt rather quickly.


CS - Saint John
said

Brilliant! That's just what we need to hear. In case he hasn't noticed, we're still in a deep recession. Sounds like he's already planning for the next one.


Really?
said

Just like it did last time the 'experts' predicted it would hit $200.

You really have to wonder what these 'experts' have to gain from high oil prices, or is this more market manipulation?




Tired of the gas company dictatorship!!!
said

the reserves only deplete because the oil companies reduce production. Why is it last year when oil was $60.00 a barrel we were paying $0.85 a Lt and now we are paying $0.99??? Don't the oil companies realize that the one and ONLY reason that we are in the current recession is because of the price of gas last summer was so high. That caused stains on bills that people couldn't pay, strains on the purchase of vehicles, transport costs went through the roof so food went up and now you wanna do the same thing again??? Where is the common sense in that??? Step back and take a look at the whole picture, not just the dollar sign in the lower bottom left corner!!!! Thought we lived in a free country not a dictatorship!!!


FP in touch with the future
said

Folks, rather than sticking your head in the sand, Rubin has it right. The days of cheap oil are over. Prices will continue to trend upward and those caught or stuck with gass guzzlers and SUVs pickup trucks for rec use only will get burned. Soon there will be more fuel efficient cars to buy. Those that wanna hang on to the guzzlers, noone will stop you but how deep your wallet is. Its time to adapt to a new reality. And NO staying home is not the answer. People arent hobbits. They will still want to get out. I see the new common rail turbo diesel as the short term answer. Long term, itll be electric all the way.


Mike - Edmonton
said

Why is anyone interviewing or listening to Jeff Rubin? He has NO credibility! Google his name and read his articles from a couple of years ago. He's a glorified version of a fortune teller.


Marcus
said

Yeah, I agree with the posts here that highlight the irregularities in gas prices at the pump versus the cost of oil/barrel. We are being gouged no matter how its being sugarcoated. Regardless of what the real reasons are, it does support the conspiracy theory of "keep em poor so we'll always have slaves".


Steve in PEI
said

Actually, Rubin's argument is ridiculously simple. And inescapably correct. Oil drives our economy, cheap oil underpins globalization, and oil is a finite resource. Rubin hardly needs to be a visionary to see this, he just needs to not be willfully blind like most of you people.

Anyway, Rubin's message is an upbeat and positive one for almost everyone. He's not a fearmonger. Over the medium term Alberta will get even more fabulously wealthy as reviving oil prices inflate the value of its principal export, and on top of that, pricy oil will revive Ontario and US industrial northeast manufacturing as high oil prices cut into China's competitive advantage. By forcing people to conserve fuel it will even help a little bit with global warming.

If Rubin were attempting to stir up fear, he might point out that the loss of cheap consumer goods from China is going to have a profound impact on everyone's lifestyle... we're all not going to be able to afford as much stuff, and say goodbye to the dollar store :P. Also, if expensive oil takes a severe bite out of Chinese exports, the Chinese will lose the incentive to own so much US government debt, setting off a chain of events that would make the subprime mortgage crisis look like a walk in the park.


karl
said

Economists are typically right about 50% of the time, Rubin is more often stuck in the wrong 50%. I don't really give him much credibility, although he does make a few good points.

I think world leaders understand that oil is one of the biggest downers for economic growth. Rubin is correct when he says that prior to most recessions, we experience spikes in oil pricing. In todays economics this is even more potentially crippling, thats school boy basic. Its so basic that OPEC and world leaders now understand this and are implementing economic policy to protect from this. Rubin is also correct that Globalization in trade is the real culprit for high oil. He is correct that the experiment in globalization will eventually fail, not to mention that since the globe experiment was implemented the environment has got worse. Essentially it is globalization that is killing the environment, this will eventually be realized, that will be the start to the end of globalization.

Is the quality of your life better because of the cheaper goods at Chinamart? Or are you in more debt because of these cheap goods!!

He is right about globalization, but $200 oil. Come on Jeff, give your head a shake.


Really?
said

Wasn't it just last year that so-called expert Rubin predicted oil to hit $200 when in fact it retreated shortly afterwards to around $40?

Just trying to sell your book or do you get a strange sense of satisfaction scaring people? Why are you no longer at CIBC?


Steve
said

As long as Oil stays high, we'll NEVER get out of this recession


James - Alberta
said

To PEI Steve

This is not a positive book. Rubin is on record as saying oil will hit $200 by the end of 2010. If anybody thinks there will be a smooth, rapid transition to living locally and to producing goods in Ontario and North America you're out of your mind. Rubins message is NOT upbeat and positive.


Chicken
said

The world economy was running at 100% and we could not increase oil production to meet the increased economic demand, so the economy crashed like a stack of dominoes.

The world economy will recover and oil will head back up and when demand increases above supply - again, prices will go crazy until something snaps and takes us into the next recession.

Cyclic, yet also an investors paradise.

We are cycling under and over PEAK OIL. Each economic peak will get progressively worse at the pump price, but the stocks will fly indeed.


Jackie Barrett
said

If Crude Oil futures surpass 2008 levels, at $200 a barrel like Jeff Rubin thinks, then the great recession of 2008 and 2009 will repeat itself in future years.

Furthermore, $200 a barrel oil will not only have profound consequences on developed countries, but also developing countries like China which relies heavily on manufacturing and production type jobs as more companies produce their goods closer to home to save money.

Therefore, lets hope what Jeff Rubin says is false.

Otherwise, unless the Japanese, European, and American automakers make a diligent effort to increase hybrid, hydrogen, electric, and lithium ion powered cars instead of diesel and gasoline powered counterparts we still use now, then a similar recession to what we're experiencing now will happen again.


Mario in Regina
said

Just like everyone else, I love cheap gas, but I also see the benefits of high gas prices. High gas prices is an incentive to change. An incentive to use less oil. An incentive to develop new technologies that will change the world for ever. As a consumer, you have to be smart and not put yourself in a situation where you are driving a gas guzzling vehicle for recreational purposes.

High gas prices will bite back at BIG OIL in the end, as the human race will adapt and be better off.


Bundy
said

I dream of oil hitting $200 a barrel. I could retire then.


Simon in London
said

How soon many people forget it was this man who had his investments tied directly to oil. He was pushing hard for high oil prices all along but one guy from Royal Bank " economist " hit it on the nail head. He said demand would drop by 2007 and be below $1 a liter by then and into 2009, he was dead on. Also it's not the price of crude that is dictating these current high gas prices right now, it's refining capacity and how little supply room they have left. It's also easy to understand why they decided against that huge new refinery in Sarnia after spending huge money and about to launch it. It would of drove gasoline prices down flooding the market with unleaded readily available. Now they are back to very limited refining capacity and youre going to pay big.


Terry in Pickering
said

If the price of gas goes that high, I'm just going to quit my job, how is anyone going to afford gas, this is just pathetic $2.00 a litre you guys are on high crack to put it up at all, it should be going down, this is what Canada is turning into, money hungry thieves.


Sean
said

High oil prices are only good for the oil producers. Apparently to hell with all of us. The world runs on diesel nothing good comes from high prices. Everyone was making profits at $18 a barrel. The media should stop talking about oil prices and are as much to blame for the rise in prices. It is depressing. While we are paying $1 a litre the US is paying 57 cents a litre and we produce oil.


Martin - Edmonton
said

If this happened, might be cheaper for me to quit my job and go on pogey! It would be pointless driving to work so I can pay for the trip back.


Edmonton Jim
said

North Americans will have to get over their addiiction to oil---plain and simple. We should be investing to grow the green economy---the economy of the future NOW! Otherwise we will suffer the same fate as the dodo bird!


Craig from Sherwood Park
said

I was just at a wind energy show in Chicago. T. Boone Pickens was a keynote speaker. He said "$75 oil by the end of the year, $150 oil in 3 years, and $300 oil in 10 years".

He (accurately) predicted Obama will form a national energy policy to promote windpower as a key energy source for the future. Our American friends are not afraid of oil dependence, they have Alberta to draw from. What Americans are afraid of is water shortages. They want to add alternative energy sources such as windpower, and reduce cogen, coal fired and nuclear energy as they use tremendous amounts of water.

Let's face it folks, when it comes to gas prices (and oil prices) we're all going to be driving for many decades to come. I just want everyone to quit whining about it. Buy stock in the energy companies, at least it will soften the blow on your wallet at the pumps.


Pete, Burlington
said

To suggest globalization will end because of oil reaching $200 per barrel is rather simplistic. Because of their taxes, the Europeans have had gas prices at more than double those in North America for over 15 years and yet the Europeans do more business in Asia than the US and Canada combined. European companies still are pushing towards outsourcing in India and China at a fast pace and were doing so all through the recent spate of $120+ oil which yielded gas prices at more than double what we saw.

What I think you may see is more of the marginal, commodity type products come back to North America as the transport cost makes up a larger part of the total product cost, but this will be offset by increased outsourcing of more difficult to make and higher value products as the Asian companies become more sophisticated.

Anyone who travels in Asia on a regular basis will have already seen the signs of this type of thing happening. In particular, the Chinese manufacturers are becoming very sophisticated and on high value parts with high labour content, the transport costs would need to rise one heck of a lot to justify not outsourcing.


"CTV #1 FAN"
said

This is great news! If high oil can cut communist China out from leeching off and monopolizing world markets by making their junk toxic products more expensive in favour of local and "home" industry then I say "Hooray"!

The idea that "Made in China" products are cheaper for consumers is NOT true. Chinese made products need to be replaced more frequently because they don't "last" as long due to poor quality and they fill up the landfills. Plus many of them are dangerous, toxic and questionable.

At least with "Made in North America" we have more integrity and a product that is safe and longer lasting and in the end will cost us less money as it will have a life twice as long as the Chinese made crap.

We can off-set our slavery to oil by coming up with new and cheaper technology for our vehicles etc. Let's put North America back to work and let Communist China deal with its own house instead of leeching off "ours" for a change.


James N
said

Jeff has not always predicted correct. He predicted the TSX would be at 16000 points at the begining of 2009. He's just guessing like everyone else.


Jackie Barrett
said

While consumers and economies will be big losers resulting from $200 a barrel oil, some Canadian provincial governments will be big winners, notably Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Newfoundland.

Case in point, Newfoundland and Labrador had a $2 billion budget surplus in 2008-2009 fiscal year due to record high oil prices, largest annual surplus in Atlantic Canadian history.

If $200 a barrel oil was a realty, Newfoundland and Labrador will be the first debt free Atlantic Canadian province in history as such price levels will result in annual budget surpluses up to $3 billion.

However, since consumers and economies will suffer due to high production and transportation costs, lets hope Crude Oil futures will stay where they are now.


Merlin
said

High gas prices didn't start this recession. People borrowing and over-mortgaging themselves and buying more than they could afford to pay back is the cause. High prices and high interest rates are the signs of a strong economy, not low-this and low-that.


canadiandime
said

he's got the prices wrong, when a barrel hits 200 the price per litre in Canada will be around 4 dollars of not more,he didnt factor in the greed part


Mike Stokes
said

OIL, Canada's most important asset! To think Liberals and the NDP want to kill Canada's golden goose.

Alberta is and will be the Center of the Universe forever!


Jeremie Filiatrault
said

Gas Prices keep going up and we the blue collar workers are losing our jobs especially in the Auto Business. Why is it that we the workers that drive the economy have to take pay cuts & lose benefits to help with cutting costs. Why don't the CEO's of these companies & oil tycoons take a pay cut! then there would be more money to help out!


Pete, Burlington
said

Craig,

T Boon Pickens has been pushing his alternate energy thing for quite a while because he sees it as a way to add to his billions made in oil. Windpower is not really the answer when you consider the carbon footprint of making a wind turbine versus the power generated from it. The real answer is nuclear which is by far the greenest technology on the planet.


Red X
said

There is the notion of the World being at PEAK OIL given that there is a finite supply.

So rather than be hewers of wood and drawer of water. We can be scrapers and boilers of tar!?


Mark Courtice
said

logic dictates, when you get your job back because oil is scarce I am sure a gas powered car will be at the bottom of the list and you may feel inclined to move within cycling or transit distance from work... Hmmm... have we seen this occur in other not so oil rich nations.... Hmmmmm.... Nah... there has to be a way to keep all these luxuries that an oil rich western civilization has provided so willingly for us.
Censorship is Suppression of our God given liberties


Robert J in Calgary
said

At the core of the economic rollercoaster ride is the prime directive of the new age citizen: expecting short term investments to reap rapid, large profits, mostly based on a fantastic ignorance of economic fundamentals. It's a parasitical, not a value-producing trend; a canibalistic devolution. The fundamentals changed fundamentally when ignorance and whimsical emotion became so influential in stock trading. The long term view and a responsibility to a comprehensive understanding BEFORE investing are things now pretty much out of the equation. The stock market, banks and cabals are operating in a silly soup.


Brian from Lethbridge AB
said

Why is the media fixated on this quacks predictions?

I note they cite his prediction that oil would go above $100/barrel. They fail to note pretty much every other prediction he's made has been wrong.

Oil is now to blame for the crash... not the paper backed mortgage assets. Well that’s true... but not for the reason Rubin proposes.

Remember here... Rubin is hardly a disinterested observer here. He is one of the elite financial managers that are to blame for the current mess in the first place. of coarse he's trying to deflect blame. His credibility is based solely on his ability to make accurate and timely predictions. However, You must remember he and his peers are the greedy, self serving, opportunistic, scam artists that caused the problem in the first place.

The PRIMARY reason oil spiked was because all the financiers and hedge fund managers dumped their capital into oil and speculated with the price... After the little mortgage scam went belly up, Oil speculation was a quick and dirty way to get massive short term profit to make up and hide the massive losses in the mortgage market before the next quarter and year end earnings needed to be reported.

The $100/bl oil was never based on the supply/demand curve. Anyone who actually worked in the oil industry knew that, but everyone was more interested in listening to the financial types who where the same individual manipulating the system in the first place!

The real price should have been $40 to $80. Which surprise surprise is EXACTLY where it went back to when the financial types were done mucking with it. They made a quick short term profit to save their skins and in the process killed the rest of the economy with the high energy cost. Rubin either knows this and is deliberately hiding the facts making him a liar, or doesn’t know this and is making wilds speculations and therefore incompetent.. either way he’s not someone I’d take financial advise from anytime soon



geebee
said

Makes a lot of sense for the one world government boffos. Throw hundreds of thousands out of work then jack the price through the roof for a sorry few. Bad enough we're taxed to death already


al from calgary
said

No Problem
When this happens I can retire and collect my pension, the libs will be the govt therefore I will work 45 days collect EI for a year, work another 45 days and collect EI for a year etc. This way I will improve my carbon footprint, retire and leave my job for someone else and make more money than I am making now. God bless Canada and the Liberals


my take on this
said

People all over the world need to change the way government works. Governments should be working with the peoples interests in mind not catering to busisnesses that rape and pillage. The world has more than enough egotistical billionaires. Today, 20,000 children will die of starvation.


~"Joe-NorthAmerican"~
said

Good less made in China stuff will be less credit card debt.

People have been going into credit card debt because of cheap Made in China junk. They go into WalMart and buy twice as much retail stuff as they used to because it all appears to be cheap and on sale.

The credit card debt inflates based on purchasing all at once. Now that prices for Made in Canada stuff increase...so will people's common sense about how they spend and how much they buy on credit.

Common-sense spending is needed and so are home grown jobs and manufacturing. Plus we'll have better, safer and quality products again instead of dangerous imported Chinese junk.


Rick in NB
said

Roger T,
The jobs are in the rust belt or the manufacturing sectors of our country. The point being that we would now be making the whatnots that China and India ship to us.
This would be a good thing as we would regulate what is being manufactured. Alberta could only benefit if they started manufacturing goods. Actualy every province could probally benefit becuase " Buy Local would be our new slogan.


~"Joe-NorthAmerican"~
said

Good less made in China stuff will be less credit card debt.

People have been going into credit card debt because of cheap Made in China junk. They go into WalMart and buy twice as much retail stuff as they used to because it all appears to be cheap and on sale.

The credit card debt inflates based on purchasing all at once. Now that prices for Made in Canada stuff increase...so will people's common sense about how they spend and how much they buy on credit.

Common-sense spending is needed and so are home grown jobs and manufacturing. Plus we'll have better, safer and quality products again instead of dangerous imported Chinese junk.


Rob from Flin Flon
said

The higher the price of oil will not make the economy better, consumer and investor confidence is gone. Sometimes I think these "experts" are people paid to scare people into not investing, to keep prices high.


dulak
said

Well, it would've stayed down, but now that the media published this speculation it'll go up.

speculation...the fuel of high gas prices - no pun intended


Bruce A
said

Ladies and Gentlemen, let us not forget that WE are running out of oil. We had X number of years left, and the consumption was accelerating. If I was to place a bet, I'd say... over $100/barrel by July 4th, and $200/barrel by the Olympics. Please consider that in three to five years, you will not be allowed to buy an gallon of gasoline because it will have been pre-claimed by essential services. And then ask yourselves: How do you get your food?


pat/sk
said

MY sister lives in Montanna. They brought in laws to prevent gouging. When a gas station gets it tanks full the station owner is not allowed to raise the price until his next refill. Thus NO UPPING THE PRICE FOR A LONG WEEKEND!!! It also keeps the stations more competative as they get refuelled at different times so are reluctant to raise their price if their competator can't raise his yet. Consumers WIN!! I have written various MP's with no sucess. Time consumers raised the issue.We also should be building more refineries in Canada. More supply leads to lower prices. But I am sure the oil barons would not want that!!!!


Marc - Alberta
said

You people who like to comapre our way of life and oil consumption to places like Europe. ie NA must get over their dependance on oil. Canada is slightly larger than the entire continent of Europe. Europe has 42 countries Canada is one with 10 provinces and 3 territories. Europe has a population of 727 million people, Canada just 33. To draw comparisions to our way of life and usage of raw materials to Europe is silly at the best and really a false arguement. The reality is with our size of country and our population we do pretty well. You should read studies that correct consuption trends and evrionmental impact when things like population density, distances and climate are factored out of the equasion. Canadian actually don't far to badly when it comes to the rest of the world. We are a large sparsely populated country with a wealth of natural resources. Things like Oil, we got it everyone else wants it. Watch which countries people flock to when resources like that become scarce!


Steve
said

I have 2 words to say in regards to this matter :ELECTRIC VEHICLES!


Edward Weston
said

The model Rubin proposes would be somewhat self-correcting.
You see if higher oil means local manufacturing versus china manufacturing,
China's economy will suffer.
If China's economy suffers, there will be less global demand on oil bringing prices down. There will be a cycle between profitable and not profitable chinese manufacturing.
With all that said, I find it hard to believe that with our modern technology, we are still a subject to energy prices. Technology should be serving us.


Jerry R
said

1. Buy Oil stocks at low price! Check
2. Create scare tactics to increase oil price/stock price. Check
3. Sell oil stocks at high price and make huge fortune. Check
4. Economy goes down the tube further. Buy everything at discount price. Check

I'm tired of these so-called experts steering the economy for their own rewards. Give it a break. If you need some excitement, discover a cure for cancer!


GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
said

Who says oil is finite??

That arguement isnt settled. The Earth is making oil as we speak, and many oil fields that were once thought emptied, have mysteriously replenished themselves.

Abiotic Oil.


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