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Date: Tue. May. 26 2009 9:57 PM ET

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says the federal deficit will balloon to $50 billion this fiscal year, an increase of more than $16 billion from a January forecast.

It's believed to be the highest federal deficit ever.

"We will run a substantial short-term deficit this year which I would estimate at more than $50 billion," Flaherty said Tuesday. "We are going through a deeper economic slowdown than anticipated."

He added that "the systemic stabilizers that we have automatically -- more employment insurance, a couple of billion dollars, plus more, and lower taxes -- are to be expected during a recession, which we are seeing. We also have the substantial auto payments that are going to be required."

Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said the recession has hammered away at government revenues.

"Government sources say half of (the deficit) is a result of falling revenues and having to pay more people unemployment insurance, and the rest of that money is the result of the auto bailout," he told CTV News Channel.

Flaherty hinted yesterday that the deficit would be "substantially more" than the government projected in January's 2009-2010 budget.

The initial deficit forecast was $34 billion. But Flaherty said that government revenues have been hit harder by the recession than expected.

In January, the government also forecast a $30-billion deficit for 2010-2011, and more deficits in the following three years.

Flaherty will give a full update in June when he presents his fiscal update to Parliament, but with 681,400 Canadians now collecting Employment Insurance, the government's fiscal situation will continue to face challenges in the coming months.

The number of Canadians collecting EI has climbed by 36.2 per cent since the economic meltdown began hammering labour markets in October of last year.

That rise includes a surge of 131 per cent in Alberta and nearly 80.5 per cent in British Columbia, the two provinces which led the nation in economic growth for much of the past half decade.

The Liberals were quick to launch an attack after Flaherty's revelation Tuesday, saying Prime Minister Stephen Harper suggested he may have to raise taxes to deal with the soaring deficit.

"Today at 2:23 pm in the House of Commons during Question Period, Prime Minister Stephen Harper admitted that he will not introduce another budget "until we need to raise taxes," the party said in a press release.

Harper, responding to a question about employment insurance, said in full: "When we did our pre-budget consultation, the Liberal party wanted two more weeks of employment insurance.

"So, we did five more weeks, plus all kinds of additional money for training for people, both on EI and not on EI.

These are measures to help the unemployed in this recession. What we're not going to do is every two or three months come up with another economic policy, another budget, until we need to raise taxes.

Our deficits are affordable but they will remain short-term."


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scott beckingsale
said

is it too much to ask for a government who is reasonably close to estimates??? somewhere in the ball park would be great - but way out in left field is ridiculous!!!

Roger T
said

This means that our current Gov't is mis-managing the country. We went from debt free to be in debted. When poor management or mishandling from top officials that run the country brings the country into debt it says alot.

Jim London
said

We really need a change of government. Iggy seems like the right choice to me.

Charles
said

I wonder how much of the lower government revenue will be due to income tax refunds from capital loss carryback claims. Quite a bit I bet.


nik
said

Wow. $16 billion MORE? And just think, in December they said "we'll be ok. No deficits." Ahh Jimmy. Just like you did with us in Ontario. lol


Narin
said

Is it a coincidence or incompetence has something to do when Conservative is in the power the deficit starts to soar?


Ki-Som Victoria BC
said

But during the last election, Mr. Harper, said that we wouldn't have a deficit nor would we be in a recession. Mr. Harper would never mislead Canadians for his own interest. Would he?


Unbeliever
said

It's hard to believe anything this guy has to say!
I'd sooner listen to my cat...at least my cat dosen't lie....might even be smarter


CAN
said

Lets bring in Ignatief, make the five weeks EI change & make it a cool $90 billion.
As a self employed person who cannot claim EI & but has to to support unions, pensions & under the table paid construction workers who then collect EI while getting subsidised housing - ENOUGH ALREADY


Matt
said

I voted for a conservative no deficit party.
I got wasted billions, and they didn't even put up a fight.
Write your MP and tell them to get their act under control!
We don't want to be buried under debt, look what it's doing to the world economy.



james rural ontario
said

This would have never happened if the "3 stooges" hadn't fought to over throw the government. Anyone who sees that different is obviously out to lunch. The Cons hadnt planned on spending anything until The opposition threatend it!!! Way to go socalists!!! hippocrites!!!


Gary
said

What was that all those economists were screaming about when these clowns cut the GST? Oh yeah, that we'll likely hit a downturn and would need that money in the coffers so we won't have to go into defecit which invariably has to be paid off through income tax increases. Great. Say hello to income tax increases in a year or two. Worst government ever.


dawn
said

spend spend spend like drunken sailors and in the process sell canada down the tubes......to bad the conservatives didn't have to pay this money themselves after all they are the ones that support this merry band of horses behinds that are the crappy gov. of canada.


Denny in SK
said

$50 billion! Thankfully we've had the Liberals in power over the past 13 years to pay off a huge amount of our debt created by the conservatives. Looks like history is going to be repeating itself.


KJM
said

Spring 2008 Quote from Jim Flaherty

"under no circumstance we will go into deficit, no"

Wade Ens Toronto - Its Obama's fault
said

Obama ran our biggest customer the USA in the ground, a Liberal like Hillary should of won.


American Iggy
said

This shameful display of bad policy by Canadian politicans has resulted in Canada becomg a have-not country. You people should learn from the policies of the U.S. then you wouldn't be in this mess.


young canadian
said

So in October during the election we were going to have a surplus, January we are having a 34 billion dollar deficit and now in May we are going have a 50 billion dollar deficit. I wonder how much the conversatives will have us in the hole by the end of the year.

In 2 years they have wiped out all our surpluses and all the debt payments we have made over the last 5-7 years. I guess I will be paying more taxes in a few years to pay this off.


bcdarr
said

Does it really matter anymore what he says? He'll change it in 3 months to something else, something worse.
Nothing this man has said in the last year held true, why would these new numbers be even close to accurate now?

Bobbo
said

Guess that surplus would have been nice right about now. At least it could have offset this huge deficit.

Guess we'll be back at 500 Billion in the hole again shortly, too bad we had a nice 13 year run of debt reduction.

No matter your party affiliation, this is bad in the long run.

LAL
said

Here's a thought. All members of Parliament should take pay/benefits cuts as they compelled GM workers to do or the voters can force them to the election table...
What's good for the goose...


Steve the Pundit
said

Oh...my...God...


NJam101 Northern Ontario
said

To quote directly from the Conservatives' 2008 electoral platform "the True North Strong and Free":

Prime Minister Stephen Harper understands the global financial crisis. His plan for the way forward has been clear and consistent: balanced budgets, lower taxes, investments to create jobs and keeping inflation low.

-clear and consistent?

-balanced budgets?

-creating jobs?


Joe Schmoe
said

Of course the deficit will balloon with all the tax payer bailouts of campanies and pensions the feds are signing on to without our consent!


markass
said

Ah, now I know why they want to focus attention on Ignatia's past - because they have no plan to manage the economy! Get to work Harper (and focus on the job at hand)!


Trent
said

Thats not as bad as I thought. But what do you expect in theses times. As long as the money is helping people I don't have a problum.


Dave in Surrey
said

Can we have an election now before the Tory's get to a 100 Billion?


JohnnyBravo
said

This is great news for the
Conservative voters ! Canadians get to lose more jobs and they get to be denied E.I. Pretty soon, Canada gets to become a third world country. Welcome to the the 21st Century !!


Caper
said

Another lie! Out with the CPC!! Then again, there was no recession in Canada days before the last election!


wreck76
said

let the conservative bashing begin. of course, i do not believe for a second that the liberals would have us any better off.


Layton in Moncton
said

Guess we'll be paying that GST cut for a while huh? If Ignatieff wants an election he has my vote. After declaring that Canada was in such great shape, we now have a deficit waa-ay higher than we were first told. I think the line went something like, we wouldn't run a deficit, that we were insulated from the world wide bank failures, and that Canada would likely not enter a recession. Today we also find out that the estimates are too low in the climate change policy. Can these guys do ANYTHING right?


Brad
said

And the government WON'T cut back even just a bit. They think nothing is happening and they don't have to! Get with reality and FREEZE ALL government workers pay until further notice. That will lower the deficit even just a bit but that is called leadership and this government just does not get it!!!


Freddy
said

Just as we thought, Flaherty screwed the province of Ontario as Finance Minster and he would do the same to Canada! Recession? Canada is not in a recession!! We will soon get "Even Stephen!"


Paul J Graham, Saskatoon
said

Although no political party could possibly have an answer for the economic crisis, at least other political parties acknowledged that there was a problem, and knew that government had to be involved in social planning. We're being driven into another depression by the Capitalist Conservatives, the free market guys, I hope the voters remember who put them there.


Herb
said

Poor old Jimbo. The stars ALWAYS collude against him. No matter where he goes, he runs up a deficit. Perhaps this time it wasn't all his fault, but CPC incompetence was certainly highlighted when they said the recession would not hit Canada nor would it run a deficit. (The GST cut sure would come in handy right about now, wouldn't it?) How many times does it take for people to see that somehow, conservative gov'ts will ALWAYS end up breaking the electors.


Carol Thor
said

Seems to be up substantially from December 3 before the Government was prorogued.
Do they know what they are doing? The aren't giving me any confidence.
Why would they have revenue when unemployment is at such a high level? The workers who made good wages are no longer putting into the coffers they have to draw EI and then when that runs out social assistance. But not to worry, the unemployed will be retrained (Some only, - read the fine print)
to what kind of jobs - $15/hr.
We can thank the Government for the lack of planning, foresight and they are still in that rut just telling us how the deficit is soaring with no plans. I would still like to know where the surplus went so that could have been a cushion.
I do believe this is an engineered recession how could the bottom fall out of everything so fast in this day and age? Where did all the profits go from years?
The rich will get richer, the middle class will be non existent and the poor will get poorer.


gord in ns
said

If there were any lingering doubts about this government's level of incompetence, those doubts must surely be gone now.




Brandi
said

Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. A dozen years of progress completely wiped out, and what do we have to show for it?


Richard
said

The government complains about bank bouuses. Maybe they should take a pay cut and eliminate 30 MP's.


david in edm
said

I like competent Conservative Finance Ministers. Perhaps it is time for Mr. Flaherty to go back to Ontario and Mr. Harper to return to Alberta.

One would like to think that they can do less damage in their former environments.


Merrilee
said

How suspicious that this gigantic deficit is coincident with the financial troubles of GM & Chrysler and the frenzy around CAW wages & pensions.


Vince
said

Nice one Flaherty. You obviously don't know what you're doing. I smell another election coming - I wonder what the Conservatives are going to pull out of their sleeve to avoid this one.


A. Reid
said

Well They should look at some cuts. Why are they bailing out the Auto sector. I think they have waited too long because all or many of the little companies in that sector have already closed up shop. Where is this 50 billion going? 50 billion would be approximately $6500 for every household in Canada.

The problem is that when a government says they have such a large budget and Budget deficit it is easy to lose the 50 million or 150 million.

Do like all families do, cut the extrangances. Cut all the Cell phones, all the car allowances, Cut travel. How much does a meal need to cost, $15, not $300 on an expense acoount.

Take control of the situation,don't just go out and get more credit.

Mr. H., Mr F., you are in government to make the tough choices. How much are we paying for all the troops being overseas. I support our troops 100% but why are we there, is it helping, will it help in the long run.




Glyn (Zaphod) Evans
said

LOL Goo djob H-Dawg and your band of mighty Conservatives. I love how everyone who voted for them figured things would be different this time around HAHA


Pete
said

You people ever heard the term 'fanboy'. Well, there are a whole lot of Liberal fanboys in this comment thread.

Do you people realize we are currently in a WORLDWIDE recession of which no-one has been able to accurately predict. Of course you do, but that wont stop you from using this to beat your Liberal drum.

How can any Liberal suppoeter talk mis-management after the sponsorship scandal? Its laughable.

Maybe if the Grits were in power, or better yet the coalition, the whole planet could have been sparred this economic downturn right?

Give your heads a shake! the Canadian economy is currently positioned better than any of the G8 countires, hows that for mis-management?


Bruce
said

I suppose the Liberal sheeple posting here haven't heard of the announcement of Imperial Oil's $8 Billion Dollar Kearl Project going ahead? No, not surprised.

What about this?

U.S. Economy: Consumer Confidence Jumps by Most in Six Years

Or this?

Canada Dollar Gains as Confidence Data Buoys Stocks, Oil Rises
Or this?

Canada Stocks Rise on Bank of Montreal Profit, U.S. Confidence


No? Short sighted much?




Chris in Edmonton
said

I can't believe the amount of completley ignorant people out there who think this is the governments fault. I despise the Liberals but wouldn't blame them for this either. It is a GLOBAL economic slowdown. It wasn't going to matter what the government did we would be where we are now. You conservative bashers need to wake the hell up and start understanding the global picture a bit more.


Candu
said

Can't we trust any of the politicians? Of any stripe, history or party, between the Conservatives "what me worry" attitude from last year and then the "3-stooges" this year initiating this budget debacle, who do we vote for when we want reasonable government? Are the MP's going to take a pension and benefit cut like the CAW did? We should quit fighting each other and realize that the only over-paid workers in this country are polititians!


Head on Straight
said

I likely pay the government more in taxes than most of you whiners do. Keep spending Jimbo, "you got to spend it to make it" It doesn't affect taxes that much. 50 billion is peanuts. It doesn't matter who is at the wheel, Liberals, PC's, NDP,they are like which brand of car you drive....in the end they are all junk.


Charles BC
said

Well lets just go to an election? I really think that the liberals are the best people to have in government during hard fiscal times, only if they have a strong leader at the helm. The liberal now have that strong leadership. It will have to be a strong minority government maybe 154 seats or a majority liberal government in order to get Canada back on track.

The cons have no idea how to manage tough fiscal times.


jay
said

James in rural Ontario, hit it right on the head! Recessions are going to happen regardless of who is in power. We need to remember this instead of listen the whole crap about Tory times=tough times. The 3 (fill in your choice words) caused a lot of this non sense.


Camshaft
said

Don't you people realize anything. The only reason we have the deficit is because of the 3 morons who wanted to send Canada to an election.
So the PC's create a new budget with lots of spending and now you are saying it is their fault.
It would be twice as bad if you had the Liberals in there.


Mary Clarke
said

The Conservatives were quite clearly told,by the Opposition that they'd be out of a job,if they didn't "massively" increase the stimulus spending. Of course massive stimulus spending is going to create huge deficits. What did they expect. Even so,it's still less than the $54 BILLION the Libs diverted from the E.I fund,so that they could "creatively" boast a surplus.


George in Calgary
said

For those of you who may think that Iggy would be better you had better think again. Even King Iggy could do no better and even now he is calling for more money just like he did when the recession started. Think folks no matter who may be in office the deficit would rise.

For those that recall Mr. Harper's statements in the lection that there would be no deficit remember the blackmailing techniques of the "coalition" and the continued calls for more money for EI.

I agree with CAN. Enough is enough. If I do not have access to EI then no one should and lets stop supporting the demands of unions.


David
said

It's funny to here conservatives blame this deficit on the "socialists" Liberals and NDP as if they forced the Conservatives into needless spending.
Honestly, I am surprised the Finance Minister is coming clean with these numbers. He was able to keep them hidden when he had a similar post in the Ontario Harris Government until they were kicked to the curb.
Maybe they should hire some strategists to help negotiate our nation through this difficult time instead of spending countless time and money on attack adds.




Mary Clarke
said

Denny In Sask.
The Libs paid off the debt with OUR worker insurance money! $54 Billion of it,from the E.I. fund!
And then they had the nerve to claim a surplus!


Jon in Halifax
said

Got to love the arm chair generals that ignore the massive global recession. Let me guess it will be all fixed with a hugs and kisses once the liberals get in power.


Bee
said

I don't know why anyone would be surprised. This was to be expected regardless of what party was in government.


Brian In Sarnia
said

gee... big shock... a conservative who changes his story every time he opens his mouth. it's party policy people... seriously. harper wouldn't have straight shooters in his government. that would require responsibility.


Chris Ottawa
said

And you really think that the Iggy would do better!! You socialist Liberals are opportunist!! The country would be a bunch of leasy a.. We would work 45 days and would watch TV all day long for a year!
It is not easy but we will make it if we stay with Harper


Steve in Toronto
said

It wouldn't matter who was in power. Most leaders of countries are mere puppets for the mega wealthy elistists ... re: The Bilderberg Group et al ..


Edmonton Jim
said

A least under the Paul Martin Liberals we had prudent fiscal management...but those days are gone...now we are being decieved in a web of misinformation, clarification, and muddification! That is not open and accountable governement! Iggy sounds good to me---let's make a change.


seen it before Natty, ON
said

Surplus and Responsible Fiscal Management inherited from Paul Martin finally ran-out, and flagging Flaherty has No Idea what to do.

Forecast: "Conservatives" will announce another Deficit extension in six months or less, or start Selling-off Govt assets to cover Ineptitude.
We've had these people in Ontario before with same results.They've made no attempt to upgrade management skills since.
Harper's answer to Global Crisis was to "Look for Bargains" before he ran away to hide.


Tired of the Complaining
said

To all you conservative nay-sayers...read the column before making you wise--- remarks. The money is paying off EI and the Auto Industry as well as requests from the Provinces for more Federal financial support (previous column). I'm sure if our Government said NO to all the inclusions after the budget was released you would all be complaining about the lack of support. If you're looking to whine for the sake of whining try a different topic. The Conservative Party of Canada did not put the world in this recession, but they are trying to support the people during it. Any elected Government would be doing the same thing...but then I'm sure you would be complaining about them.


Alberta Redneck
said

I cannot believe the whiners. Every international watchdog agency is saying that Canada is doing better than any other developed nations. Our housing prices have levelled and even dropped a point or two. Not a bad thing since homeowners equity is not in peril but new buyers can use the historically low interest rates and stable prices to get into the market. Of course the opposition is always preaching gloom and doom. That is the part of the field left to them since it is the job of the government to be a cheerleader for the economy. And see how good you are at predicting complex numbers like these. I think it would be easier to stand 50 feet from a dart board and have a chance to hit the bulls eye every time.

Mr. Harper and his team still have my confidence and I shudder if Iggy and his band of bandits ever get in. At one time I thought I might escape to the US, but now that Obama is planning for a repeat of the Weimar Republic, I am not even sure that option is open anymore.

Oh yeah, if the economy is so bad and GM makes such crap, try to go out and buy a loaded pick up anymore. My dealer tells me that Quebec Dealers are reaching out to Alberta to find a truck for a customer. Sheesh!


Peter 1951
said

Come on "PEOPLE" pull your head out of the sand. Do you think that if the NDP or the Liberals we in power this deficit would be any lower. Don't you all remember when Dion, Layton and Duceppe where forming the separatist coalition they where talking then of having a 30 to 40 billion dollar stimulus package which would have taken us all into a 50 billion dollar deficit as well. It isn't Harper, causing this world economic problem. As for "IGGY" he has only been back in this country for "4" years and you want to turn the reigns over to this fellow, this will come back to haunt all of Canada. As much as I don't like this deficit stuff I will stick to Harper right now.


Marg MM
said

If you listen to some of the economists reporting on this, our deficit is much lower than other countries,is manageable, and will not be long term.

Unfortunatly we are in a WORLD WIDE recession through no fault of our own. No Government (not even the Liberals) could have predicted how bad it would get. Since the Liberal/NDP are calling for even more spending, does this mean that they are OK with an even bigger deficit?

Fact is we all know(yes even you Liberals although you don't like to admit it) how the Liberals get their surpluses, offloading to provinces, cutting the military to the bone, raiding the EI fund, not to mention all the scandals.

To all you Ignatieff lovers...

Be careful what you wish for, these times might seem like a picnic compared to what might be ahead with the Liberals in power.


KC in Calgary
said

"Edmonton Jim
A least under the Paul Martin Liberals we had prudent fiscal management...but those days are gone... "

- Nice try Jim. You mean the same Paul Martin who took $54B from EI and put it into general revenue in order to balance the books? The same move that was recently deemed to have been done illegally by the Supreme Court?

Nice try Jim...



Justin
said

As I recall the opposition parties were front and centre demanding massive spending and stimulus packages or they threatened to overthrow the gov't with their coalition. So one can hardly point the finger in any one direction as to whos fault it is. not to mention we are in a global recession. What did you think was going to happen? Canada is in a good position but not that good.


Mike
said

When will the people wake up that are blaming a defecit on Harper.
It does not matter which gov't would be in power in these times we would still be in a recession, and we would still have a huge defecit.
If the Liberals were in power right now the same defecit would be happening, we would still be paying the auto companies off and still be paying heavy taxes.
Let the gov't do there job with out having to worry about a early election or a nonconfidence vote.
Think about it.


daytek
said

Iggy walks over to the Harper Gov
demanding big spending, or he would call an electiion


This is IGGGYGYYYG DEBT


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

HAPPY AND SAD...

HAPPY that the unelected, appointed Liberal pretender to the parliamentary throne of Prime Minister, Mr. Ignatieff, isn't Prime Minister...or we'd be faced with a deficit of at least $85B, based on an endless stream of "welfare" giveaways to every person, corporation, or institution asking for one.

SAD that Prime Minister Harper and his Conservatives lost their ideological compass somewhere on Parliament Hill, and can't figure out what it means to be a true "fiscal" conservative. Instead of standing firm, on political principles and convictions, they let a pack of liberals, separtists, and socialists scare them up a tree.

Oh, well. That's what you get in a country misguided by the foolish belief that the government should be run like a giant corporation that can simply force shareholders (taxpayers) to buy more stock when the balance sheet is dripping with red ink.


Joan Mathews
said

Pardon me for asking,but wasn't it the Coalition that "demanded" massive stimulus spending? They insisted Harper wasn't spending enough. I wonder what our deficit would have looked like,if they had led the Country. I shudder to even think of it.


sasha
said

50 billion while high.. is still an under estimated. such as the 34- 35 billion estimated earlier... it is government type policy to always under estimate initial bad news by at least a fact or 2.. the actual deficit numbers will be closer to 70 billion up wards to a 100 billion.. but since the recession is an evolving. continually.. this is based on today numbers.. by the time this is all said and done.. I would not be surprise if we hit +200 billion


Brian from Barrie
said

Very interesting to read all of the comments condeming the Conservatives for the large deficit. Can we look back perhaps 6-7 months. It was the NDP-Liberal-Bloc coliation that forced this. We all share the blame in this especially Layton, Dion and Duceppe who were trying at a power grab.


James from Vancouver
said

$50B...

And there you have it. The culmination of Conservative overspending and mismanagement. I'm too shocked at the figure to comment further.


Bruce
said

What else did the Liberals do to create their false balanced budgets and false surpluses?

They took billions of dollars from the pension plans of the public service, the military and the RCMP.


Mary Clarke
said

A simple qustion for all Lib supporters.
What was Ignatieff's position on bailing out the Auto Industry?



Brett
said

I love how you people think that Canada is in some sort of bubble that is separate from the rest of the world's economy. You scream and yell that our government isn't spending enough to stimulate the economy and do the same when they run a deficit. Hey lets spend another 500 million on another election to start over with someone new at square one. I still have yet to see the liberals brilliant plan to get us out of this recession while the rest of the world is in one.


Keith
said

Two reductions in the GST have changed a surplus that could have carried us through this into a 50 billion debt. Way to go Harper. This makes the sponsorship scandal look totally insignificant. It's time to bring back the Liberals.


AH in Ottawa
said

Wow 50 billion, I guess that tells you how bad things are getting.


Fed up with Canadians.
said

it is amazing that people are in shock over the deficit numbers. We are proceeding through the deepest recession in history and Harper simply responded to the whining from the three amigos about providing stimulus.

PET almost drove this country into bankruptcy with his yearly deficits so don't sit and claim the Liberals can do better. Once Martin was finance minister they over taxed and had billions in unreported revenue that they used to support THEIR political agenda.

Tax revenue is the peoples money not the governments.


Niagara George
said

Does anyone else remember what happened when Paul Marting had a $12B surplus, instead of the $2B he had predicted?

As I recall, all the Cons who post here went through the roof, complaining of his incompetence. I would much rather the calculations were off by $10B, than the $50B+ error Flaherty is going to have!


Ted
said

Good job Flaherty. Discouraging investment in Ontario has really helped. This is what happens when you put ideology before intelligence. The only ship I would ever let you steer is the Titanic, especially if Harper is on it.


K.Matorskin
said

Iggy doesn't look as a good choice for me, even though I always voted Liberals. Conservative aid seems right - he is "just visiting".

But current government in Ottawa has to be changed. We have the biggest taxes in the world, and these guys still run a deficit? It is nonsense and insult for all Canadians. $50 billions??? They must be kidding. I want them out, all of them, Tony Clement first, Flaherty second, Harper third, -- all these losers out.


Kevin
said

wreck76

The liberals may not have done any better, but at least they wouldnt have BRAGGED and used it their platform that they maintain a fiscal balance. I guess the higher the platform they hold themselves on, the harder the fall.........


I demand stimulus spending for ordinary Canadians
said

Harper's gang is too busy shoveling money at the banks and car companies and other corporate welfare bum deadbeats.




Evan in Athabasca
said

Funny people say fund this bail the auto, give money, well, over the year from the last prediction that will change.

The government did not know it was going to have to pay more for EI claims, no body. I say nobody knew it was going to be this hard during the recession. Even the naysayers were way off the numbers.. Sorry to bust your gloating moment that says liberals are better.

BTW, just pointing out the very obvious, the liberals were very, no no no, extremely lucky to have been in government during more stable economic times.

So this is really not the current governments fault.


Nicole
said

Keith says "Two reductions in the GST have changed a surplus that could have carried us through this into a 50 billion debt. Way to go Harper. This makes the sponsorship scandal look totally insignificant."

Huh??! - Giving me a tax reduction on my consumer spending is more atrocious than stealing my tax dollars and lining Liberal pockets? That's absurd. Not to mention how they stole money from the employer/employee funded EI fund and claimed a surplus. Only in Liberal la la land.


Simple answer for Mary Clarke: it's irrelevant.
said

What anyone else might have done is fantasy.

The reality is that Harper's out of control.

With the Liberals under Paul Martin we had surpluses.

Harper is wrecking Canada.

But idiots like you keep chanting that you don't like "Iggy."

Get out of the way, you idiots.






Will
said

I would like to know what taxes Harper is planning on raising. Gas tax? Income tax? GST?


Joe Conservative
said

Ahh liberals...not the party but canadian liberals..

You cry that government isn't spending enough, and when theres a slight deficit that is meant to appease you, liberal/socialist canadians berade the conservatives and cry for an canadian obama-like figure.

I call Canadians to change their attitudes. Look at ALBERTA: when you have small government and low taxes - GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. What's all the uproar about from you people out east? Alberta will pay for most of it because you ask it of us.


K.Matroskin
said

To "Simple answer to Mary.."
Can I please remind you that dirty talking with women never makes man a Man. Thank you for understanding and never please do it again.


Rob
said

You can thank the liberals for this one. Now they will blame the PC'S for the large deficit after trying to bring the government down last fall. These guys probably set Canada's recovery back by 6 months.


Hunter Mars
said

Ol' Jimmy just keeps pulling numbers out of his hat .
Total deficit will top one hundred billion .


Nath6ca
said

New political parties are formed over things like this....


Ted_Man
said

MR. HARPER, you are telling people to continue spending money like normal to keep the economy going but if your have no income you don't have money to spend on goods. As long as there are hundreds of thousands of Canadians out of work the economy will continue to shrink and spending will continue to drop. People need good paying jobs to keep the economy going. It only makes common sense. Mr Harper I suggest you follow the advice I am about to give here and follow it carefully if you want to redeem yourself with all Canadians and save this country. First you should tell (not ask) the International Monetary fund WORLD BANK that you are going to break ranks from the system that obviously doesn't work and issue one trillion dollar of interest free money to be distributed from the bottom up, meaning a direct issue of money to all Canadians divided equally and NOT distrubuted from above through institutions where it would no doubt be filtered down to nothing by the time it reached the poor.

Mr HARPER, This is the only way you can fix the mess we are in. Hurry because you don't have much time left befor the Country's economy is completely destroyed. The deficit is growing by the second.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

I think they should shut the whole operation down until they balance the books....


Jennifer Francis
said

People rave about Liberal surpluses,but fail to think about where they came from. Provinces were hit hard,by massive reductions in transfer payments,for things like health care,welfare,and education The E.I fund had $54 BILLION diverted from it,so that they could claim a surplus. The Libs are great at fooling the sheeple. You have to give them that much. BAaaaaa.


Marg in Calgary
said

This does all fall back on the Liberals and the "coalition". THEY are the ones who forced this spending in too soon, and the LIBERALS are the ones who asked for more weeks of EI!!

What do you really think will happen if the Liberals get in? I shudder to think...


JD
said

More money to give those clowns at GM & Chrysler.
Never again a purchase from me.


Concerned canadian
said

Although I am not a Conservative supporter, I don't blame Mr. Harper for this deficit. Nor do I think he deserves any credit.

Posters claiming that the Liberals would have done the same thing are right, as are those people who point out that Mr. Harper is only going into a deficit because he was forced to by the threat of a coalition.

But Conservative supporters just don't seem to get it. Just a few months ago you were screaming about how the coalition was illegal, and that the coalition were "fearmongers" for warning us about the coming recession.

Now that it turns out that Mr. Layton and Mr. Dion were correct all along, suddenly a deficit is a sign of good government.

Meanwhile, the Liberal supporters are screaming about Mr. Harper's mismanagement of the budget. You don't seem to get it either.

Mr. Harper is responding, under pressure, to the realities of the global economic slowdown. This is not his fault.

But he can't take credit either, because if he had had his way, we would not have a deficit budget, and our economy would be more in the tank than it is.

So Conservative supporters- admit that Mr. Harper was wrong, that he misled Canadians about the state of the economy, or was at least ignorant about it, and that he is trying to take credit for something he was forced to do.

Liberal supporters, stop complainiang about the deficit. This is Kenysian economics, something that Mr. Harper doesn't believe it- he is a member of the Chicago school, and if he'd had his way, businesses would be going under and unions would have been destroyed.

But he is doing the correct thing, and it's exactly what the coalition would have done if they'd taken power.


Jay, Ottawa
said

So it's officially a record? The biggest deficit in Canadian history belongs to the Conservatives? When are they going to start acting like conservatives instead of Santa Claus?

How people support this level of incompetence is now beyond me? You have to be die hard close minded to think this government is doing a good job.


Jay, Ottawa
said

james rural ontario said, "This would have never happened if the "3 stooges" hadn't fought to over throw the government. Anyone who sees that different is obviously out to lunch. "

Exactly, a leader would have put his foot down . Instead, Harper showed what a push-over he can be. Stephen Harper, not a leader.


Jay, Ottawa
said

Joe Conservative said, "Look at ALBERTA: when you have small government and low taxes - GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. What's all the uproar about from you people out east? Alberta will pay for most of it because you ask it of us."

I hate to be the one to break it to you Joe but Alberta is going down in flames. Not exactly a good model.


Andy Kanata
said

A couple of facts -
1) There is a world wide recession going on and most if not all governments are running a deficit as they must do to inject money into the economy to help get through this dark time that was brought on not by the Liberals or Conservatives but by the arrogance ignorance and greed of a handful of people.
2) The Liberals were not great fiscal managers. They governed at a time when everything was rosey. They overtaxed Canadians, downloaded responsibilities to Provincial governments and gutted the EI fund to produce budget surplus years. As a result, Health Care and many other programs suffered.
3) If good fiscal management involves the theft of millions of tax dollars and the waste of billions of tax dollars then I guess the Liberals are good at managing our money.
4)The current government was pushed to do more than they had wanted to by the opposition threats. Maybe it is a good thing, maybe not. Time will tell. But I don't understand how the opposition and many posters, blame the deficit on the current government when they are doing what any party in power would be doing in the situation we are in.


Roland Godin
said

We have no say in the matter when we vote we give them our voice...I am speechless.


all i can say is blahhhhhhhhh
said

The deficit is the fault of the coalition as far as I am concerned. We were just told at work that we are doing better than last year. Everything is good but they are putting off pay increases until October. I am sick of this BS.It is a great excuse for companies to lay off, rip off and overwork people.What a crock.


J.C.
said

Boy you Conservative bashers are really something!
I guess you forgot your hero Pierre Trudeau (Liberal Leader) put us into more debt than any other PM and also stripped the military forces budget as well. As I recall his philosophy was "Debt will not hurt over the long term and if the dollar drops it is good for us." Maybe not the exact words but close. As I recall this occurred when times were good! We are still in debt from those times and yet now that the conservatives give into the Liberal demands and the threat of a coalition by going into deficit during these hard times you bash them for doing so!
Don't you opposition supporters think you should make up your mind as to what you really want? Temporary debt or Long term debt. I support the temporary sustainable debt rather than long term unsustainable debt.


CE
said

all you Lib supports make me sick!!!....If the Liberals were in power right know the deficit would be AT OR OVER 100 bllion. The conservative did not have or were not going to spend that much until the Liberals, IGGY INCLUDED, tried to throw them out. Iggy continually talks about spending more and more and more...do you really think he could balance anything???? Oh I forgot his plans are to hit everyone with crushing tax increases….with less money for people to spend how would the economy get going again??? The answer is it wouldn’t. If Harper did not spend a thing all of you Liberals would be screaming bloody murder saying how the conservatives do not care about people and how cruel they are. The only reason why the Libs had a 12 year run is because the economy was soooooo great because of the roaring US economy that Regan built and thank God Clinton believed in and kept going. The economy is not the fault of the conservatives it is the result of what is happening in the US and their economy. I do not know if any Lib has noticed but our economies are linked. Really have all of you BEEN LIVING IN A WHOLE SOMEWHERE???!!!??

It is truly comical how you blame conservatives for everything. I guarantee that you believe the swine, cancer, your car not starting in the morning, and let us not forget the biggy when that bag of chips get caught in the vending machine and is just hanging there that is the fault of the conservatives. I can see you pounding on the glass yelling “why Mr. Harper why”.



Nick
said

So, we went from having a $9-billion surplus under the liberals, to a declining surpllus due to tax cuts, and now we are FIFTY BILLION in the red? Come on! I actually sent Flaherty and email when I was 18 (three years ago) saying that his first budget was flawed. Tax during the boom times and SPEND during the bust times. It's simple economics. How can an 18 year old kid have more economic foresight than the man in control of the entire Canadian economy? This is utterly ridiculous. I hope he has my email somewhere and realises.


Stuart du Kamp, Edmonton
said

Nice of the libs to parse the quote and cut out the real point - that being teh PM is not going to keep issuing mini budgets every three months (liek the opposition woudl like) because that WOULD result in the need for higher taxes. MI is such a boob.


Randyrocker
said

Robbery, daylight Robbery, they should go to jail. They eat your surplus for their fat dinners, and expect you to eat your young, if not, eat their future education and jobs. These crooks in Ottawa are nothing short of vermin.


Marc Desilets - Kapuskasing Ontario
said

If we were talking thousands I'd understand. If we were talking millions I'd start to wonder. But we are talking billions. And we complain when our mechanics charge us $50 more than the estimate???


DCR-Toronto
said

Maybe all you people bashing the Conservatives should ask your local NDP and Liberal MP's why they pushed for this so much. A minority government CAN NOT act alone. SO please..save me and the people who use their brains, all your drama and hypocracy!!


WestofTheRockies
said

Oh Prof. Pye Chartt,

C'mon you just make toooo much sense. This will never do, none of that matters to most of those commenting here.

These people are being bribed with their own money and they are too stupid to figure it out.

No matter that successive Liberal governments from the early 60's are responsible for the huge existing Canadian debt.

They’ve forgotten that their greatest Liberal of them all – Trudeau, is the father of modern day deficit financing.





Samual
said

The last deficit the cons left for the liberals to straighten out was 42 billion, thanks Malroney. We need an election soon so the liberals can straighten out the mess this government has created.
Every time the cons are in power they dig a big hole then the liberals get voted in clean up the mess.
History repeats its self over & over.
Thanks for nothing Harper please step down!


WestofTheRockies
said

@Ted - Your right…… lets bring back Paul Marten, after all he’s a ship guy, and we all know how he encouraged investment in Ontario & other places in Canada.

That being the case, maybe you could tell us where this investment was made? Then maybe you can explain how it is that Ontario’s manufacturing sector has been decimated over the past 15 years. Hundreds of huge manufacturers said no thanks to all the investment Liberals offered, closed up shop and left.

Even Paul Marten didn’t source ships for his shipping company from Shipbuilders in Canada. Now that’s a vote of confidence.

The federal ship in case you didn't notice was already listing under the Liberals, it's just listing more today. That doesn't make the new Captin responsible for the cause.




Don Aitken
said

Harper was going into the last election with a $13 Billion deficit and that was before the recession even started.Of course there would only be a recession if the Conservatives did not get re-elected.
Imagine if he had a majority,he would really do a number on us.
Canada deserves better than this incompetent bunch of idealogical Conservatives.


Wendy
said

But Harper said our economy was strong there would be no deficit.
Wow I guess those attack ads are really costing a bundle!
Thanks to the liberals our banks are strong!


Carol Thor, Paris
said

So where is the stimulus $ that was to be used to keep people employed during this recession? I haven't seen any in my area. Who has?


Joe No More Conservatives
said

Hey Tories,
Stick your attack ads and focus on your jobs. You sound childish and immature.
I guess you feel that attacking others will make people overlook your deficiencies.
I won't ever be voting PC again, at least until you grow up and act mature.


Mike
said

No plan Harper or just lame duck government.
Wasting money on attack ads trying to divert the attention from the fact this government has no plans.
Next month they will come out with a new number Oops we were wrong, probably end up in 100 billion.
Please harper step down you have been voted the worst PM in Canadian history. you are ruining Canada.


Just Wondering
said

What makes me mad is how Harper denied a recession when the rest of the world including Canada knew. And yes, it is because of the coalition that we are in debt like we are. I agree 100%. My question is simple "Where would Canada be today if they left Harper alone with no stimulus?" Would we not have way more people on the unemployment lines?


cphspeed
said

Hey all you Liberal Lovers out there why don't you and your grand pubba get your tactics straight.
The Liberals complained that there wasn't any spending, now they complain that there is too much and if (God forbid) the Liberals get in; guess what........more spending. Except this time it will be to Liberal friendly companies (remember Ad Scam) and hey maybe some of our tax dollars will end up in Obama's re-election coffer.
I hate the fact that there is a deficit and that we are in debt but unfortuately it is a necessary evil - look who is going to come out of this storm better off....Canada and Steven Harper.


Canada Goose Whistler
said

I just love the cons: don't you liberals understand this is a world wide rescission.

I honesty believe Canada would have done far better, maybe even no rescission with a liberal government.

Fact the gst was pennies out of our pockets & millions to government.
& How much money did the sub prime mortgages this government brought into Canada cost us? Not much was said about this, how much are they hiding.


Chris in Ajax
said

Well conservatives are not all that conservative anymore I guess. Maybe we should elect the NDP for some fiscal responsibility. We need these people out of office now. I can only pray that the Liberals force an election soon. Lets get Steve and his left wing conservatives out of office NOW! My children and my childrens children are going to be paying for this idiocy. In the trough of a recession we decide to post the largest deficit EVER! Not even in the Trudeau era did we see should fiscal irresponsibility. It is almost enough to make you cry to see what they are doing to our once great country. Lets bring back Paul Martin as finance minister and start paying this insane debt down. We need some competent people in office and these "conservatives" are about as far from competent as you can get. I pray for an election to get these fools out of office. STOP WASTING MY MONEY!!!


Cambob
said

50 billion debt for the 7th weathliest country (per capita) in the world.. oh dear.

If the conservatives want to eliminate the deficit, they will turn the 401/Highway of Heros into a Toll Highway, along with every other major road in the GTA.

If the liberals want to elimiate the deficit, they will nationalize the Heritage Trust Fund. It won't go to the deficit, but they will throw a nice party with the funds.

If the NDP wants to elimiate the deficit (LOL) they will increase all taxes and spend Trillions on sensitivity classes.

If the Bloc wants to elimiate the deficit, they will cut the border with Canada and 'magically' float away as a soveriegn, debt free country.

None of these clowns are acting couragous. Not one of them is standing up for the MAJORITY of Canadaian who are about to see a tax increase from 30% to 55% over the next 5 years.


Dave from BC
said

Wow! So, these guys were off by roughly 50% in their estimate? Why didn't they just have Maggie the TSN Monkey spin a wheel, with a bunch of different "estimates" on it, to come up with a figure? The recession is deeper than anticipated? Well, maybe deeper than this government anticipated but when everybody else was talking about the worst financial and economic crisis since the Great Depression maybe these bozos should have gotten a clue!


Sick of the Political Parties
said

No change of government. This was forced upon us by a coalition gov't threat. The Libs, Ndp, and Bloc are getting what they asked for. The Conservatives are damned if they don't damned if they do. Lets get on with just governing and let the country rebound like it will under what ever gov't is in. No gov't caused this. The World Wide Economy did. Get over the politics and govern!


VIC
said

How can we trust Tories with no ending deficit?, as no solution is Marshal General Harper only solution.


Walter Orlowski
said

Jolly Wally,Ontario OH...WOW...Ouch! Still...even more debt? (Please tell me how I can buy a new toilet from Rona when I'm out of work and can't afford to buy one first off and also capitalize on the rebates this Government has to offer for home improvements?) Must I follow suit and borrow more money and fall into debt like you guys to qualify? It's obvious that Mr. Falherty is fumbling with the now defunct Federal financial purse and doesn't have a clue as to where he should drag us further. His past performance as former Finance Minister of Ontario, also dragging Ontario into debt upon the Provincial Conservative party's demise further illustrates the fact that he hasn't yet reached the ultimate level of incompetence yet and at what coat to us all? (Peter Principle). At least with the former Federal Liberals we had a balanced budget.As history has shown,"Tory/now you might say Reformer times now are tough times." And,former Federal Conservative Governments have historically left Canada's Federal Treasury in shambles upon their being voted out of office. Do have a look at past history before you believe our current "closet hiding" Prime Minister.
Mr. Harper,the least you could do is remove the ear plugs,listen carefully and throw some more of our money out to the unemployed and adjust EI rules to really help those Canadians feeling economic disaster rather than impressing me into buying a toilet and get a rebate. Also,you can forget all those cheap mudslinging commercials. If the Conservative Party is bleeding with cash maybe they could also extend help those Canadians less fortunate. Your commercials only further enhance this Neoconservative Party as a bullying,insesitive power hungry enigma without substance. Time to change the horse before the wheels completely fall off the buggy!



Edmonton Vic
said

Just think folks if Iggy was in it would be even more! That is what he said remember "you are not spending enough money to get Canada out of this recession" said this in the house of commons and on the steps of the parlament buildings as well oh and also on Power play as well!


Wendy
said

This government has the economic sense of kids in the sand box.
I'm 51 yrs old never collected EI probably never will, but to make EI easier to get in hard times is the best stimulus for Canada. Put money in their hands & they will spend it.
infrastructure project employ big machines & a small handful of people.
When that bridge to no where is built all those people are out of work again.
EI doesn't pay enough for me to be interested in it, I'm sure not that many people would want to be limited to the small amount it pays.
People against this are probably selfish, uneducated conservatives.



D Morris
said

I would lose my job if I were off this much on any estimated cost.

It doesn't matter which party did this - mismanagement is mismanagement.


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