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Date: Tue. May. 26 2009 9:15 PM ET

Canada and the U.S. signed an agreement Monday designed to increase border security by allowing the RCMP and the U.S. Coast Guard to team up and ride in each others' vessels during border patrols.

Known as the Shiprider program, the new rules intend to improve security and eliminate jurisdictional grey areas in Canada-U.S. waterways. Without the new program, vessels must stop at the border and call upon the other country's officials for help.

The Shiprider program has been used as a pilot program over the past few years to catch smugglers and criminals on joint waterways.

Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan and his U.S. counterpart, Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano, signed the agreement Tuesday at a cargo facility at the Ambassador Bridge, which connects Detroit and Windsor, Ont.

Van Loan said the pact shouldn't be viewed as Americans encroaching on the jurisdiction of Canada because it's a joint effort between both countries.

And he stressed that security and trade between the two countries can be mutually beneficial.

"Because of the integration of our North American economies ... effective management of the border is essential to the health of both of our countries' economies," said Van Loan.

Talks between the two officials are set to continue this week in advance of the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which comes into effect June 1. The initiative means Canadians will need to show their passports, NEXUS cards or enhanced driver's licences when entering the U.S.

Napolitano, who stirred controversy a few weeks ago when she suggested the 9-11 terrorists entered the U.S. through Canada, said the U.S. wants to partner with Ottawa to ensure the safety of the continent.

She said boosting security "doesn't mean closing ourselves off from other countries -- it means working together as neighbors and allies.

"We have to be able to share information ... and put more security at the border, which helps us keep track of what is going back and forth," she said.

Van Loan and Napolitano have agreed to meet twice every year, along with other high-level officials, to discuss border issues.

While Napolitano has since clarified her 9-11 comments and said the terrorists responsible for the attacks did not enter the U.S. through Canada, she has maintained that other terror suspects have crossed south over the border.

Napolitano has also criticized Canada for being too lax at the border, saying federal regulations did not go far enough.

Still, according to former diplomat Paul Frazer, Canadians shouldn't be alarmed by the prospect of foreign officers policing Canada's waters.

"It's not a one way kind of operation," he told CTV's Power Play from Washington on Tuesday.

Frazer stressed that the new plan is a quid-pro-quo deal for Canada.

"You will have Canadian authorities aboard American boats, going into American waters, and the reverse coming into Canadian waters."

With files from The Canadian Press

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Layton in Moncton
said

Just another step towards North American union. Next, the same uniforms, then the Amero.


Reid in Northern BC
said

Does not the 'Canada Border Services Agency' have anything to do with this agreement? After all, aren't they the 'Border Services Officers'?


Moiya in Hamilton
said

If we do become one nation, there shouldn't be any problems "crossing the border".


Les in BC
said

Quote...However, she said there are other instances where suspected terrorists have attempted to enter the United States.......end quote:

Why is it Canada's responsibility to screen who gets into the US? If some idiot gets into their country, then their border people screwed up, not ours.

It must be great to think everyone else is at fault and you are perfect.


Matt
said

Layton,
It's just formalizing laws already on the books.

Foreign law enforcement can be and often is given police powers during joint operations.

What this agreement does is limit the scope of the police powers, and make it easier for the police to work together.

I feel better knowing that during a border related issue the resources of both Canada and the US will be available to resolve it.


Al in NB
said

Great, we're actually talking to that wing nut Napolitano now. Watch out Canada, she's bad news given that she thinks this country is full of terrorists bent on attacking the United States. It wouldn't surprise me with folks like her in power if Canada was the next target in the war on terror...


LB
said

Maybe a step towards North American union, but the borders are porous, and both countries need all the help they can get to more protection on both sides.


James in NB
said

kiss your sovereignty goodbye brothers and sisters.


Wallace in Toronto
said

Let's hope the U.S. Coast Guard / Border Partol will not enforce U.S. laws in Canada.

A very similar scene has recently been dramatized by the season finale of "Criminal Minds" on CTV that U.S. agents apprehended and interrogated suspects on Canadian soil, both inside the RCMP facility and at the rural crime scene in whatever ways they like, despite the presence of RCMP and OPP officers, who have jurisdication over the case.


Dan in Regina
said

Next, we're part of the USA... Why don't we split both countries the right way for once? Instead of north and south, lets do an east to west. That sounds like a fabulous idea to me! I'm just sayin'...



Jim from Ontario
said

To many times our law enforcement personnel have their hands tied because of restrictive rules and regulations. It is good to see a procedure in place that can free up the authorities. It states that both countries will be allowed to have their personnel on each other's craft. To me, this means that a criminal can no longer escape by crossing over our waterway boundries. As both US and Canadian enforcement have to be present, it means cooperation, joint missions and to me, safer boarders. I think it is a good idea.


Carver Hubbard
said

Napolitano is an idiot, she has said in the past that the 911 hijackers crossed into the U.S. from Canada which is totally wrong. John McCain corrected her. So she is a liar is she denies she said it.

I hate the idea of a joint border law enforcement program. I don't want U.S. law enforcement having any say or jurisdiction in Canada. We should scrap all joint programs.

The war on terror is fake anyway


GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
said

there's no need for this bit of stupidity.

Keep Canada soverign. (if it still is?)


Steve in Ottawa
said

"allow border officials in both countries to better enforce each other's laws."


I hope that means they will crack down on the guns, violence and crime coming north across the border.
The "Amero" too funny, if not inevitable.


Jay
said

Wallace in Toronto
That was a tv show that is all.You can't say wow that happend on that show so that must be how it works.


limits to anything
said

Our police and the American law enforcement already work together. Just so long as everyone remembers the US law enforcement officials have NO status in Canada just as ours have none down south. Outside your own country you are only a civilian, not a cop.


Tono
said

Totally agree with Layton in Moncton.
We need to stress independence and solidarity over cooperation and integration.


marine member in the north
said

to Reid in Northern BC

no, the CBSA is only at the designated Port's of Entry, so it is the RCMP that engage in the Shiprider program as they are responsible for all other areas, and the open sea is not a designated port of entry.


Balgonie Bob
said

Our Canadian Military and the U.S. military and other agencies on both sides of the border have worked together for decades exchanging personnel. This is no big deal, we will likely save money and make border services on both sides more efficient. It's OK for us to work with our friends, in fact it's more than OK, it's a good thing.


Slavko (Kitchener, Ontario)
said

This agreement could have existed earlier, like the free and secure trade program. I personally received a F.A.S.T. clearance from Homeland Security agents on Canadian federal soil in Windsor, Ontario.

The Ontario Provincial Police and the Michigan State Troopers have been tatter-tailing on each other’s residences’ driving habits in their jurisdiction for years, which goes on the driver’s home driving record. So, this type of co-operation isn’t unusual. Maybe it took this long because of a matter of federal generational time and trust, or most likely maybe border incidents have increased or a determination to remove red tape in the heat of the moment.

Both militaries have trained together and one, the U.S., had offered the other their 70 ton tanks for free, which the other, Canada, said, “Sorry, we don’t have the budget for its maintenance.” Hitching a ride would solve problems faster.

Would they split the bill for a cross border incident or patrols?



Diplomacy
said

Hey! Balgonie Bob!

Spotted any of Predator Drones over Balgonie lately? You know the ones based in FARGO, N.D.?

Photos today, oops! Weapons tomorrow! Ya know just like they made a mistake flying nuclear weapons to Arizona!

Wake up, Canada! Don't give away our SOVERIGNTY!




W.A. Janes
said

For crying out loud folks...Get a grip on reality, come into the 21st Century. Cooperation in these matters only makes sence. We as Canadians could go it alone but we can hardly take care of our obligations as it stands now. A little help now and then I bet is greatly appreciated on BOTH sides.


Brian
said

If we don't/can't enforce it the Americans will. They call on our enforcement and nobody answers the call, so they do it.


Paul Chilliwack
said

Hey, who doe sthe U.S. think they are.

Get out of our land and stay away.

Enough is enough, Canadians will govern Canadians.




Terry in NB
said

The Americans have border control agents stationed right now in the airport in Toronto. (American not Canadian) If the trend (giving up our own enforcing of the border laws) it wont be long that when you get pulled over along side the highway it may be by a state trooper and not the RCMP


Mark - Vegreville, AB
said

After reading some of the posts here describing this new program as the next step towards being absorbed by the US, I am left with the impression that many of you must feel very insecure about our country. If we are so suspicious of the US that we cannot work closely with our friends and cross the borders in pursuit of the real bad guys and allow the Americans the same, would you perhaps feel better if we built a wall the length of the country instead? Get a grip!


Chris from the West Coast
said

There's no need for paranoia! All this is, is an agreement to work together on patroling common waters between our two countries. It all makes sense to me. I dare any of you to look out at a body of water and tell me where the border is. This agreement will only help catch criminals on the water.


Chris
said

"While Napolitano has since clarified her 9-11 comments and said the terrorists responsible for the attacks did not enter the U.S. through Canada, she has maintained that other terror suspects have crossed south over the border."

In that case, perhaps Ms. Napolitano, as Homeland Security secretary, should authorize better training for her border guards. After all, they are the ones who allow these people into the United States.

While she's at it, she could also give them some ESP training so that terrorists could be discovered BEFORE they entered, instead of AFTER.


Don
said

Geez, what is this?, the Liberal party panic board? Relax Toronto, no one is infringing on your sovereignty. The Canadian and US Coast Guards have reciprical security agreements that have been in place for years. Adding the RCMP to the mix makes sense. The Coast Guard also works with DFO enforcement and DND for intel. It is the natural progression of these agreement. Napolitano may be of questionable integrity but she won't be on any real patrols.


John Dicmon
said

This is part of the 60 year old "The new world order" theory"

We have EU and soon North American Union, next African Union, Asian union etc.. with different currency and finally another recession and then one currency, and united nations becomes the one government and the theory becomes reality soon or later...and we are all screwed.


Goldens
said

All you alarmist should take a breath and cool down! This is just good neighbour policy. Cooperation on the boarder is what we need.

John Wilson
Bridgetown


Scott
said

If there's a problem with "terrorists" entering the U.S through Canada then it's their problem for letting them in...their Border guards control that gate!...the problem is our coastal borders and airports we need better control of immigration.


Savant
said

It seems none of the media took it upon themselves to actually explain how this program works, which does leave a lot of questions. So allow me to clear the air.

Agents of the RCMP and the USCG (U.S. Coast Guard) are trained to be officers in the other country's law enforcement unit. So the RCMP were trained on USCG procedures, and the USCG were trained on RCMP procedures. These special officers are actually considered to be part of the other country's force when in that country. The USCG officers are considered 'RCMP supernumerary constables' when in Canadian waters, and the RCMP constables are considered to be 'U.S. customs officers' when in American waters.

The crews are always comprised of officers from BOTH countries. So while a boat may be marked as USCG or RCMP, there are officers from BOTH countries on all the boats. When a boat is in U.S. waters, the USCG officers are 'in charge' and the RCMP assist. When a boat is in Canadian waters the RCMP is 'in charge' and the USCG assist. Since the foreign officers have taken training, they are able to act in a law enforcement capacity when in the foreign country.

The end result is that these special boats and crews have the legal authority to work on both sides of the border without any need to get 'clearance' from the other country to cross.

Criminals won't be able to make a 'run for the border' since the boats will follow them regardless. It will in no way affect our soverignty, and foreign officers will always be under RCMP supervision when in Canadian waters. (and vice-versa) It's a win-win, and nothing that people should have any concerns over.


Cesar in Seattle
said

ha ha...you guys have a foreign military operating in your backyard!!!




Canada and USA
said

To Les in BC...it is not our responsibility to protect the US border but it is in our best interest to work together and have common protection goals. Whether you like our neighbors or not, it is best to get along with our closest friend and biggest trading partner. The US is very serious about their border and I find no fault in that and there is no reason Canada should not protect ours in the same manner. I benefits us all in the end.


Shan
said

This great idea doesn't reduce our sovereignty at all and it increases cooperation and enforcement of both out countries laws. It is a win/win situation.

Why are there so many Canadians out there that are affraid to cooperate with their friendly neighbor?


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

This should work well. Often
the "bad guys " would get away when we had to stop and try and reach the Americans to take up the chase.

We both will have equal officers riding with the patrol boats.

Lets see if this works before we start being NEGATIVE about this venture!


Marc
said

To the first comment, do you understand the integration that is coordinated in an actual transnational/multi-country union? With the sovereignty exercised by the US, this absurd notion of a "North American Union" will not happen anytime soon. Please, take an International Relations course.


Rod
said

Just curious how this will impact the sovereignty patrols in the artic. Will the pass be monitored by both American and Canadians across the artic?


WestofTheRockies
said

Hey Paul Chilliwack,

"Get out of our land and stay away"

Now that's a bright comment. This story is about Canada-U.S. waterways (as in SHARED) and you are talking about land.

Canada & the US share waterways and our border runs through the largest lake system in the world.

This is a reciprocal agreement. Canadians will be on US boats as well.

Settle down, we've been involved jointly in many ways with the US for the last 125 years. How exactly has it hurt us?





Lois close to Saskatoon
said

"You will have Canadian authorities aboard American boats, going into American waters, and the reverse coming into Canadian waters."

Can't wait to hear what the Americans will think of this!
That is if their media will even tell them.Did anybody tell Alex Jones?

Sorry folks but this is a bad deal for both countries, only strong, well kept fences make for good neighbours.Start blurring the property lines and we'll have trouble!


BP in Windsor
said

I live in Windsor, on any day when weather is good there are hundreds of boats on the Detroit River, its considered an international waterway so you can navigate either side of the river you only have to declare to border officials if you drop anchor or land on the other side of the Border. The point is you can zig zag all down the Border Many times people drink and boat and the chase ends at the border, now those idiots will be caught let alone the people sneaking stuff back and forth. Remember there will be RCMP on US boats and US Homeland security on ours, we in Windsor have asked for this for years. In the past it was like saying if I do something on the one side of a road if I cross the centre line I go free that nonsense will now stop.


Iggy Ottawa - Get Ready to be the 51st Star
said

We need to start thinking about Canada as the 51st state, for Americans run by Americans.


Rob
said

Get used to it. The North American union is on its way. I've been following this for the last few years and it is comming. Hold on.


FreakAlert
said

Yup! An incremental step toward a North American Union


Anne Theriault
said

Napolitano is not the brighest light bulb in Washington! Like all Americans, she shivers all over and is afraid of anyone who is not American. I guess guilty conscience does it. Let's not forget that the Americans want our resources, that's coming too.


Samual
said

What ever rules are made should go both ways!
If I have to show a passport they better well be showing one when they come into Canada.
The USA is an evil joke.
Keep Canada soverign.


Mike from Canmore
said

Joint patrols. Harper loves this crap. And we can thank Paul Martin for the creation of the Canada Border Services Agency which merged Canada Customs with the border functions of Citizenship and Immigration Canada. End result? Chaos at the border. It takes years and years for an Immigration officer to become competent in the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. Customs, who really runs the CBSA, wants to put these twits known as Border Services Officers (aka Customs Officers....aka, the grocery police) into the Immigration roles after a few weeks of training at the CUSTOMS college in Rigaud, Quebec. Nonsense. Our borders clearly are not as safe as they were before Paul Martin created the CBSA. Now we're going to have these cowboys riding in inflatable boats with US Customs officer.

And what's worse, is that we are slowly giving up our rights as a sovereign nation. US agents in US boats stopping Canadians in Canadian waters simply because there is a single Canadian Customs officer in that boat. US agents permanently in place along the CANADIAN border at places where there are railroad crossings as US agents are scanning Canadian trains in Canadian territory before they enter the US. US cameras along the St. Clair River scanning the Canadian side of the river in case a boatload of terrorists tries to sneak into the US. And the list goes on and on.

First Paul Martin and now Steve Harper allowing and encouraging this crap. What does Ignatieff have to say? But then again, he's basically an American carrying a Canadian passport.

This is not good.


anadian Boater
said

Such bull. I am a boater currently in Mexico having cruise down the Pacific West Coast. The American Home Land Security is the biggest laugh. They have 0 idea what they are doing and Mexico is ions ahead of them in security. I have never been though a situation so screwed up. They have no idea where one jurisdiction begins and ends, who to phone (and its manditory) not to mention nowhere posted the numbers to phone. Large fines for not comlying. Etc.Etc. Etc. Heaven help us with them in our waters. Get them out of our waters!
A Canadian and proud of it!


Ryder
said

I have to laugh at all the nay sayers and complainers here. All that has happened, is this 'exchange' has been formalized in the books. These 'exchanges' have been going on for years now. Hell, the military has been doing exchanges for decades with countries in Europe and the south Pacific for decades; yet we have not 'merged' to form 'Canastalia' or 'Germanada' We are still CANADA and still have the CANADIAN DOLLAR. NOTHING will change people! In fact, I for one, am elated that the public now knows that we are PARTNERS with the US!!


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