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Date: Wed. May. 13 2009 9:25 PM ET
Former prime minister Brian Mulroney said he tried to fully disclose his business dealings with Karlheinz Schreiber after he left office, but the RCMP turned his offer down.
In 1996, as the government made its case against him in the Airbus affair, Mulroney instructed his lawyer to travel to Ottawa to meet with the minister of justice and RCMP officials.
"He would volunteer that I would come to Ottawa with all of the documents," Mulroney told the Oliphant inquiry Wednesday.
"They could interrogate me on anything they wished. They turned us down cold, and proceeded, as you know now, in a very hostile and aggressive and extremely costly manner for the taxpayers of Canada."
He also said that the nine lawyers representing the Government of Canada never once asked him about his full business dealings with the German-Canadian arms dealer.
Mulroney also gave his explanation for another key issue: Why it took him several years to declare the $225,000 he received from Schreiber, rather than report the payments as income for 1993-1994.
He said the money was a retainer and he did not consider it to be part of his taxable income at the time. He paid taxes on the money in 1999, when it became part of his income stream.
"I had practiced law for 13 years. I wasn't a tax lawyer, but my understanding of the tax law ... was that a retainer is not declarable as income until it's used that way, and therefore I treated it in that manner," said Mulroney.
He said he only used the money after it had been declared to the Quebec and federal tax department. Before then, the cash had been placed in safes in Montreal and New York.
At the end of his testimony Wednesday, which also marked the end of questioning from his own lawyer, he said he regretted accepting the money in cash.
"All I can tell you is that what transpired represented a significant error in judgment -- one that I deeply regret, and one for which I've paid dearly," said Mulroney.
"It would be my hope one day to encounter a Canadian who, through the course of a long and busy life, has not made some error of judgment of some kind. I haven't yet."
Mulroney blames media for high emotions
The inquiry continued Wednesday afternoon, after Mulroney fought back tears in a discussion over the Airbus affair -- specifically, the impact of a letter that wrongly linked him to kickbacks.
Mulroney, recounting the impact on his family, took a long pause to compose himself on the stand.
He said the ordeal sullied his "father's good name" and was devastating to his family.
"Commissioner, Nicolas was 10 years old," a choked-up Mulroney told Justice Oliphant in reference to his son.
During the intermission, a statement on an online blog produced by Mulroney's media team claimed that a reporter and broadcast producer had laughed during the exchange, and that was what had unsettled Mulroney.
"It was that sight -- not captured by the cameras -- that caused Mr. Mulroney to break down," the post reads.
The two members of the media denied the claim.
The Airbus affair dates back to the 1988 sale of 34 Airbus jets to Air Canada -- then a Crown corporation.
In 1995, Mulroney sued for defamation after a letter from the RCMP that linked him to kickbacks in the deal was leaked.
In 1997, Jean Chretien's Liberal government paid Mulroney a $2.1-million settlement.
The Liberals apologized to Mulroney for the "letter of request" but not for the actual RCMP investigation, which ended six years later without charges.
Mulroney explains work
The purpose of the inquiry is to probe the business dealings between Mulroney and Schreiber.
Earlier Wednesday, Mulroney explained the work he did for Schreiber, who paid him cash to promote a plan to build light-armoured vehicles.
Schreiber says he negotiated a deal with Mulroney not long before he resigned as prime minister in June 1993.
He wanted Mulroney to lobby on behalf of a proposal by Thyssen AG to build light-armoured vehicles in Canada.
Mulroney told the Oliphant inquiry that he had promoted the vehicles for UN use.
"When I examined more carefully the documentation that Mr. Schreiber had given me, including the merchandising documentation with the United Nations splashed all over it... I thought that I might usefully explore the concept with the leading members of the United Nations, in particular the P5 countries," Mulroney told the inquiry, referring to the five permanent countries.
Mulroney said he mentioned the concept during an October 1993 meeting with a senior Chinese official in Beijing.
He said it wasn't the purpose of his trip but that he mentioned the idea because he was already meeting with high-level officials.
Mulroney said "nothing came to pass at the time" of his talks with the Chinese regarding the vehicles.
Mulroney said he also raised the idea during a meeting with then-Russian president Boris Yeltsin.
"He (Yeltsin) misunderstood what I had said, then when I said 'I'm not trying to sell anything, I'm trying to explore the possibility of what you might think of the concept and whether you think it's a worthy one,'" Mulroney said.
"And he said 'Yes.'"
Mulroney said he also spoke to former French president Francois Mitterrand about the idea after he received a surprise phone call from him during a stay in Paris.
"(Mitterrand said) at the time when the project could come to fruition within the United Nations he would give us his support," Mulroney said.
He said he again discussed the idea with Mitterrand at a Colorado Springs at an event organized by former U.S. president George Bush in October 1995.
Mulroney also said had long conversations with former U.S. secretary of defence Caspar Weinberger so that he could be better informed on the technical issues.
"I had discussions with him because he had long experience on the military side, I also had discussions with James Baker, who had been secretary of the treasury and secretary of state," Mulroney said.
However, Mulroney said he wasn't sure if he talked specifically to Baker about the vehicles.
Cash payments
Mulroney admits to having received cash payments from Schreiber, but maintains they were made after he left office.
Mulroney said he received his first cash payment in August 1993 from Schreiber as part of a deal that he would promote his business interests.
He said Schreiber gave him a second cash payment of $75,000 after the China trip when the pair met up at a Montreal hotel.
Mulroney said he received the final payment of $75,000 in New York in December 1994.
Although Schreiber said he paid Mulroney $300,000, the former prime minister claims to only have been paid $225,000.
Schreiber attended the proceedings on Tuesday but, after complaining of pains, was taken to hospital where he had surgery to remove his gall bladder.
Schreiber's wife, Barbel, told The Canadian Press that her husband has been in pain since last Friday.
She said her husband had "terrible" pain on Monday night but he did not want to miss Mulroney's testimony the following morning.
On Tuesday, at the inquiry, Schreiber called his wife and said he wanted to be taken to his doctor.
However, the doctor wasn't available so Schreiber was taken to hospital where he had surgery Tuesday night.
Schreiber's wife said he was recovering well but she didn't know when he'd be released from hospital.
Schreiber is wanted in Germany on a list of charges that includes fraud, extortion and tax evasion. He has been allowed to remain in Canada to participate in the inquiry.
He is scheduled to take the stand for a sixth time at the inquiry next week.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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taxvictim
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Ghyber
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Acadian Canadian
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Bill from Whitby
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Terri
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Doug Ont
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Hanley
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Man...sometimes political furor overrules common human behaviour.
Vanessa from PE
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taxvictim
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Just not true. I waiting 6 months, my cousin waited 4 months (*and then her surgery was cancelled because of "lack of beds") for another 2 weeks....
Several emergency visits...doctors appts and then they operate!
Ian Ottawa
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Scoobie
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The current story doesnt mention infection, or billary obstruction, only some inflammation.
Randy
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Greg in the Hammer
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Jimmers
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I had gall bladder pain for months! In fact I was getting attacks daily! I still had to wait!
As for this guy...nothing new is happening in this....Mulroney was smart enough to cover any or all tracks linking him to anything. He said he "misjudged". Doubtful Mulroney will run for PM again and this had nothing to do with the current Harper Regime....so who cares!?!
I'd take $300K to lobby on behalf of some company gladly! ex-politicians, retired beaurcrats do it all the time. Should we have an inquiry everytime? Funny part is the darn vehicles were never built! So looks like Mr.Shreiber is just mad he's out of pocket.
Now he is the scumbag who is wanted in Germany on charges and as the lying con artist he is he is doing EVERYTHING he can to stall his inevitable extradition.
If majority of folk can't see this I am sooooo moving out of this "great" but blind country full of folk who feel entitled!
John S.
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Gobie
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Nobody cares about the Dhalla issue either.....
Frank (Toronto)
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16 years after the fact, the political left of this country is still trying to smear a former prime minister who has been through every process imagineable. Face it people. While Mulroney's judgement (after leaving office) was deplorable, and his accounting practises poor at best, his dealings with Schreiber broke no laws. That's why he's never been to trial. (Still think he should be heavily fined, and charged interest for failing to declare the Schreiber $$$$ to the tax man, however)
So tell me again why Canadians have to ponie up $14 million to reveal "NO NEW INFORMATION"? Lets let Mulroney spend his golden years living with a damaged reputation. And lets turn Schreiber over to German authorities, and end this Liberal/NDP farse.
Victor in Vaughan
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However, I always agreed with his stance on the GST and Free Trade.
Mulroney had the guts to introduce the GST. Eventhough, the PMs since WWII knew they needed a federal tax no other Conservative or Liberal PM had the nerve to introduce the GST.
It would have been suicide for any PM to introduce the GST, AND it was.
Remember our country got stronger in the world when we increased our taxes. It affords us with more money to do things on a social and infrastructure level.
I like Brian Mulroney more now than before. Schreiber is a liar.
GHW
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How about spending your time and our money RUNNING OUR COUNTRY!!!
What the heck is wrong with our health care system anyway? Why is there such a shortage of doctors, nurses and beds? Is it public abuse of the system filling the beds with common flu and cold patients or we just not spending enough money? Probably a bit of both! And what about the shortage of health card professionals; is it because the U.S. health care system is a profit machine and public health is a secondary priority and all our heath care professionals go south to make money?
That’s it I’m moving to Bora Bora…
Margaret
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Veronica
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Also note the comments of those who have had to wait months for surgery.
Alex (Toronto)
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The more Conservative spin-meisters claim there's no story here, the more it looks like they want to cover things up. There may not be a lot of results from the inquiry, but it should be allowed to run its course.
Steve in Manotick
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I still do believe there is way too much Political intereference in this inquiry on the part on the PM.
By The Way what in the name of H*ll does Ruby Dallha got to do with this
Inkmont
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peterO
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Nobody really cares who did what, who they did it to and when.
The Dhalla case is more of the same.
There are far more worthwhile things to worry about.
Keen Politics Watcher
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Both the Mulroney affair and the Dhalla affair are serious. I guess this means that you're half right.
Paul R
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ger
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If Mulroney wanted to avoid the same Airbus suspicions people had of him, then why didn’t he make sure everything was documented?
Any consultant working for any company would have a signed contract. Where is it?
The amount of money paid or received is irrelevant. No above board company would deal in cash. Why didn’t Mulroney realize this immediately?
If this was legitimate business dealings, then why did it take so long for Mulroney to declare it on his income tax?
If Schreiber is a legit business person, where are his records?
Tony
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Why spend my tax dollars on this???
Its like over ten years ago. Do you really think anything will happen? No jail time, no money, nothing if anything its going to cost me my tax dollars to do this.
A. Conda
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This inquiry also highlights the financial significance to politicians to lobby for a manufacturer. A fiscally disadvantaged Province has a tank manufacturer opening a new manufacturing plant there and it is described as a big win (jobs) for the Province! Apparently not as much of a win for the Province as for the consultants and other "promoters". They stood to gain so much more.
brett varay
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In all liklihood, these would be the last to purchase. They are both known for producing their own military equipment - not purchasing from a NATO member.
Oh, my family, Blarney Mulroney moans.
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Mike - Edmonton
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Maria-Toronto
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These two men are getting up there in age...let them enjoy whatever is left of their lives already.
Eventually when the time comes they will have to answer to THE one...
Besides, our money needs to be saved and or used on better things towards us Canadians.
Earl Robert
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Dr. Cake Graph
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Brian Mulroney, for the best tear jerker under duress.
"My son was ten years old..."
Oh Please.
Sorry to sound insensitive to Mr. Mulroney's "pain," but give me a break. Either Mr. Mulroney. took money for influence peddling, or he didn't.
Spare me the tears, and tell me the truth.
Sorry folks, as boring as this is, as old as the allegations are, as unreliable as Mr. Scheriber is, as much as this may cost, we have to see this through to the end.
Please stop the partisan hack complaining about how the "Liberals" are just stirring up old scandals to get back at the Conservatives for Ad Scam.
That's their job, folks, to keep the government honest. Even if it means holding them accountable after the fact.
It's true that we're spending millions (not billions, Margaret) on this, but it's money well spent if we can send a message to all politicians that they can't take cash in brown bags for influence peddling and expect to get away with it.
Even if Mr. Mulroney is innocent, the message is clear: you must not only be honest, but be seen to be honest as well, if you expect to lead this country.
We busted the Liberals for Ad Scam, as we should have. Now we're showing that corruption exists in both parties, and that the Canadian people won't put up with it.
Because if you're willing to use your "bordom" as an excuse not to pursue this matter, then please never complain about the political system or politicians again.
And you'll get exactly what you deserve.
Robert
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Sorry but he does not gain my sympathy.
I did not like him when he was PM and like him even less now.
Bev Mc - Toronto
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Tony - Toronto
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Ken
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Mike
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davidovich
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This is like something straight out of Dickens' Bleak House.
This sort of thing would never happen in any other country in the world.
20 years after the fact we are still hounding this man.
I can only conclude that Canadians are becoming the most petty people on the face of the earth
Tom - Red Deer, Alberta
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Greg - Signs and Wonders
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Lawyers get richer!!!
Andy Y - Vancouver
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"Adscam" that the Cons jumped all over was an "after the fact" inquiry as well, but apparently it was very relevant at the time, according to Con supporters.
Sorry folks, you either believe in transparent government or not. You can't draw the line between parties or risk becoming irrelevant to this discussion and marginalized as hacks...
Your call.
Kevin in Toronto
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Mulroney's policies gave the Liberals the tools needed to put Canada in a good fiscal position.
Remember the GST? The Liberal's promised to scrap it to get elected then realized that it was needed and didn't.
Mulroney inherited a big deficit from Trudeau. True, it grew under Mulroney but in ratio of the GDP, much lower when Mulroney left than when he came in.
Mulroney enacted tough policy during tough times. The Liberal's stole money from EI to manufacture surpluses.
Anne
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checker
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Susan
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AlbertaBoy111
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Tim
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G
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Waste of time and money not to mention additional and unecessary grief to a former PM.
Shame on those who insisted on this inquiry. Only to serve a political agenda. There is no story here...just an indescretion...get over it!!!
LH
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He did declare the money finally and paid his taxes. So why are we still holding this inquiry? And why is Schreiber still allowed to stay here when he's wanted in Germany to face charges? In these tough economic times this is a HUGE waste of money, whether you are liberal or conservative or NDP, you have to be able to see that. If Mulroney was PM at the time, then that is relevant, but he wasn't so enough already, stop wasting tax-payers dollars on this, we have better things to spend our money on, like health care for example as the people posting about wait times in hospitals demonstrate.
gp
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Mary out West
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The other Lowell in BC
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L
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And if people would read this article properly, he was approaching the Russians and Chinese not as purchasers for themselves, but as part of the permanent 5 members of the UN to purchase these for the UN. Read before you comment!
Mike Murawsky
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What Jean was able to do and get away with is about 10X as horrible as this.
But you can't change anyone's mind.. people will think what they think.
TJ Regina
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canadian
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You seem to be particularly ill-informed - even for a Harper fan.
You might note that it was in fact HARPER who called for this inquiry and not the "evil" Liberals you so despise.
Rob Oakville
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I think you are the one that it is misinformed. If the Conservatives would have had a majority this inquiry would have never taken place and Schreiber would have been in Germany a long time ago. It was the always idiotic threats from the Liberals to bring down the government that brought this circus inquiry.
JB in Ontario
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In the States, former Presidents are treated like royalty and they do business every day of the week.
James
Kevin in Toronto
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Politically, Harper had no choice. True, he called the inquiry, he's the only who could.
Look back, the Conservatives started suffering at the polls because of the big deal the Liberal's were making of this non-story.
Andy Y - Vancouver
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When did he meet with Schreiber again? Keep in mind that only 2 months remained in '93....
Did he or did he not commit a conflict of interest while sitting in the house? That is the purpose of the inquiry.
Unfortunately Con Hacks refuse to look at history and therefore are doomed to repeat it...
As for the one comment that the Harpos are squeeky clean, one only has to look back at the election spending scandal of 2006 to debunk that statement...
Kev in T.O.
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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I'm still waiting for the revelation of the "Seven Scandals In One." Hopefully we'll get to that before the end of time.
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@ Greg in the Hammer:
If you actually believe that the Ruby Dhalla allegations aren't worthy of investigation, then your credibility to assess the "Mulroney-Schreiber Affair" is less than zero.
Your apparent contempt for partisan muckraking would be better served if you didn't sport your own bias on your sleeve.
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@ Dr. Cake Graph:
Thanks for the chuckle. I wear the obvious fact that I get under your skin like a badge of honor. Evidently, you just can't help yourself. (Not surprising.) Try "smile therapy."
Cara
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Andy - Vancouver
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How many compromised police investigations actually result in charges? None that I can recall. Typically they stall after the leak.
@ Kev in T.O.,
Exactly how would the opposition parties have brought down the Harpo government if he hadn't?
Now the public outcry comment is certainly valid. Harper has to listen to the "Boss" or face the unemployment line at the next election. If the public wants the inquiry, then ,in a democracy it is their right to spend "their" money on it.
@Prof. Pye Chartt,
I do agree that the Dhalla investigation is required, however does it actually merit a Parlimentary probe? Is this not a matter for the RCMP or a mere smear campaign? No charges have been laid against anyone involved (unlike Adscam and the Oliphant Inquiry), only allegations and the allegations are becoming questionable under the spotlight of investigation.
We certainly need answers, however does this Dhalla probe not interfere with what should be an RCMP investigation?
Makes a citizen wonder why a public probe is needed at this point...
Brian the Cynic
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To Pull a Mulroney (in French, "japper comme Mulroney"):
A common expression meaning: to deflect scrutiny or criticism by denying, adopting the indignant pose of a wounded victim, blaming others when caught doing something illegal or unethical, and accusing critics of sullying one's reputation and the good name of one's father.
Johnny CAN
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Richard in Ontario.
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First of all, it was the Liberal's and NNP's purpose to sully the name of Mr Mulroney, in essence to try to discredit the Harper government. Secondly, and it has been updated in the last few days, it was also to allow Mr Schreiber to stay in Canada as long as possible. Lies and innuendos not withstanding. I'm sure this man's legal team doesn't want this golden goose to be whisked off to Germany and put an end to their paycheck. I believe Mr Mulroney has been through enough from this mob and it is time to move on to more important matters in this county.
Reece
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I know I know! This reminds me of the American governor William Jefferson who was found keeping 90 thousand dollars in cash in his freezer in 1999. Why don't people butt out of our leaders business. Not everybody has a deck that needs renovating so they have to opt for cash (see Alaskan governor & former BC premier Glen Clark).
People, $300,000 in cash is nothing to be concerned about. The only concern is the benifactor of this cash is not smart enough to place it in a savings account to earn interest. THAT makes me sad (not suspicious).
Entitlements to What?
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Lets face it, even under the best circumstances, the Liberals would not form a majority party in Canada. They'll never represent the west, nor Canadians of rural locations.
So it is in their perceived interest to attack the government any way they can, regardless of costs to taxpayers, both political and financial.
What a bunch of losers.
Dr. Cake Graph
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It's not that you get under my skin.
It's just that you rise to the bait so easily...
Like shooting fish in a barrel of monkeys, if you'll pardon the mixed metaphor.
Frank (Toronto)
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Yes, Mulroney asked the PM for the inquiry to clear his name, after having it dragged through the mud on a daily basis by Lib & NDPers who used Parlaimentary privelege to avoid being dragged into court.
Harper, at the time, told us that while he knew it would be a huge waste of taxpayer money, he would grant Mulroney's wish and call the inquiry. Make no mistake, this was the Lib & ND's way of trying to tie Mulroney and the PC's to the Harper Conservatives, even though they are different people, parties, and different governments.
I'm not a fan of Mulroney. And I find his judgement shameful, but not illegal. Even more-so, I can't stand seeing my money flushed down the toilet for no other purpose than political smear.
And one other thing.... Can we get Schreiber on the next flight to Germany, where a country with a "real" case to be made, can finally get to it? Perhaps the Germans can uncover the "7 (8) scandals" this idiot promised the "gotcha" hungary Canadian media.
Vancouver Pie Chart
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If this is indeed the case then the man must give credit to the opposition parties for everything positive he has done (true, I find it hard to see any as of yet, but I press on...)? You can't have the glory without the blame.
This guy, as PM, called an inquiry on a former PC prime minister, who is the hero to many Eastern Conservatives. Like him or not, he has accomplished twice what the CPC has failed to do - form a majority government.
The Reform Cons can blame the opposition parties all they like, but the responsibility for this inquiry rests on the PM and his government. If they are loosing Eastern Con support it is by their own doing, no one elses.
If they were listening to the "boss" = the electorate, that is one thing, but spare us the tired old "No, it's Lib's and NDP's fault" line. It has no traction.
The tired old rhetoric about Liberal entitlement has gotten old as well. What the public is seeing on more than one occasion is an Alberta based Conservative government white knuckling on to power by all means necessary. Like the teenager who got the keys to the family car and stays out until 4:00AM because he doesn't want to bring it back.
The West deserves strong representation, but from responsible, accountable MPs, not these guys.
Vancouver Pie Chart
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Any proof Frank?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Prof. Pye Chartt
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"I do agree that the Dhalla investigation is required, however does it actually merit a Parlimentary probe?"
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Honestly, Andy, I think it does. We expect that our elected parliamentarians conduct themselves in such a way as to render the requisite standard of moral and ethical behavior meaningful.
This high(er) standard for an elected PUBLIC official needs to be supported by a PUBLIC investigation of sorts. The electorate shouldn't accept anything less. I/we need to "see" what the allegations are and what the "defense" of those allegations is.
While you can surmise that I view the Inquiry into the "Mulroney-Schreiber Affair" as a bit of a farce (given the two principal witnesses and the longevity of the allegations), I fully support the objective.
Partisan politics aside, I want to know whether a sitting Prime Minister disgraced our highest office in Parliament. It matters, indeed.
Similarly, I want to know whether Ms. Dhalla abused vulnerable "immigrant" caregivers in her employ. Her refutation and defiance is entirely expected, just as Mr. Mulroney’s is (that’s politics in the Big League). Let’s see where it goes.
Transparency is key.
Frank (Toronto)
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Not sure what you're looking for proof for.
If it's for the German faud, etc charges, they'll have to make their own case.
If it's regarding my claim about Lib/ND smears, CPAC broadcast them everyday in member statements and question periods. It's on the public record. No further proof necessary.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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"It's not that you get under my skin."
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Oh sure, I don't. You've got me convinced. Your proof, though incoherent, was utterly persuasive.
P.S. Be gentle taking that hook out of your mouth.
Dr. Cake Graph
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And by the way, your last post to Andy was the most rational thing I've ever seen from you. Well done. I agree completely.
john from saskatoon
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jacques desjardins
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A retainer is considered as payment for "Work In Progress", or "accounts Receivable". and the full sum of the income ( not just the money received but the full amount of the money to come) must be declared in that year. Tax lawyer, my ass. Brush up on the tax laws. Don't however expect us to give you a job.
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Glenn
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