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Date: Tue. Apr. 28 2009 4:59 PM ET

The NDP will introduce a bill in the House of Commons this week to change provisions in the Employment Insurance Act that prevent women who are laid off at the end of their maternity leave from continuing their EI coverage.

NDP Labour Critic Chris Charlton said Tuesday morning she will introduce the private member's bill to help new mothers who lose their jobs shortly before or after returning to work and find out they have used up their EI benefits.

"My bill will bring fairness to working mothers by eliminating the combined 50 week cap entirely, so that families could access their maternity, parental, sickness and compassionate care benefits without worrying that, if they lose their jobs in the interim, they will also lose their EI," Charlton, MP for the Ontario riding of Hamilton Mountain, said in a statement.

Charlton's bill aims to rid the EI Act of the so-called anti-stacking provision, which, for example, prevents mothers who have been on maternity and parental benefits from receiving standard EI benefits if they lose their jobs while on leave.

In late March, Human Resources Minister Diane Finley announced that the federal government would spend an addition $60 million to bolster the EI system. The money will be used to hire more workers to process claims more quickly and to extend the period of coverage by five weeks.

However, the opposition parties complained that the changes did not go far enough, saying that EI should include the part-time and self-employed workers who are ineligible for benefits.

Finley's announcement did not mention changes to the anti-stacking provision, despite the fact that lawyers are reporting a spike in the number of women complaining they have lost their jobs while on maternity leave.

Lawyer Daniel Lublin, an employment law expert, said about four times the number of women are coming to him complaining they were laid off while on leave.

Most provinces have legislation that says that a woman is entitled to return to her job, or a comparable job, upon her return from maternity leave.

However, a provision says an employee can be terminated if it's unrelated to the leave, such as a restructuring.

"And that's kind of the card that they all play," Lublin told CTV.ca in a telephone interview. "They say it's the economy, we're letting you go."

Lublin believes that of the thousands of workers who are losing their jobs in the current economic downturn, many are on leave.

"They're easy targets. They're out of the workplace, out of sight out of mind," Lublin said.

"When you're not there to fight for your job or to work with your employer through the hard times, it's easier for them to turn a blind eye to you."

Amending the EI Act, as the NDP proposes, or changing provincial employment legislation are possible solutions, Lublin said.

But the best option, Lublin believes, would be trying a precedent-setting case before the courts that would compel employers to give more severance to workers they fire while on leave.

"You always look at someone's individual circumstances when assessing their severance pay...so if you agree with me that it's more difficult for a mother who has just come back from maternity leave to find other work, then you should also agree with me that that person would be entitled to more," Lublin said.

However, because getting a case to trial is expensive and time-consuming, a legislative pronouncement, such as the private member's bill, is a quick and widespread remedy.

Last week, NDP Leader Jack Layton said his party would spend the 10 weeks left in the current Parliamentary session working on EI reform and improving other benefits for the unemployed.

Charlton is calling for her bill to be rushed through Parliament before Mother's Day, May 10.

"We know that this government is capable of rushing through priority legislation in as little as a couple of days. They've done it before," Charlton said. "Hard-working women deserve more than just flowers and chocolates, they deserve fairness when it comes to accessing EI this Mother's Day."

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Compassionate Conservative
said

Trust Layton and his socialist buddies to waste our time on pregnant women and EI benefits. If these women chose to get pregnant, they can hardly complain if their benefits are cut off. If we'd just get rid of this creeping socialism, and let the free market decide, then fewer women would choose to get fired while they are pregnant, and our taxes would go down.


scorpion
said

I think this is only fair. New moms do not need the added stress of worrying about money when they are getting used to taking care of a little baby.



fpjblue calgary
said

Go Jack! I have to say that this is the first time that you made a positive impression on me. I think this is very fair, reasonable and needed bill to be put into law. I hope that this is the start of the new era of Jack and the NDP when you are there to think and put out your own plan/bill instead of just whining. This really is a positive change. And with more of this concrete, to the point, and specific plan, I'm sure you will win more Canadians to your side...nobody likes a whiner but a doer.


Rose
said

And exactly where do these idiots propose the extra money for EI will come from? When people choose to have children it is up to THEM to figure out a way to afford these kids. NOT THE REST OF THE WORKING PEOPLE.


Great idea!
said

A great way to use up some the multi-billion dollar surplus that has been accumulating in the EI fund for years.


Speor5
said

Such legislation is guaranteed to be abused. Any woman who does NOT want to return to work after maternity leave will ask to get laid off!


J.C.
said

Boy oh Boy!! Times sure have changed. When I had my children we were given a total of 8 weeks leave which included the two weeks waiting with no income. Now they think that 50 weeks is not enough. The NDP want to have the taxpayer cover people endlessly! I hope the government does not go for this. I feel that for those who might lose their jobs while on maternity leave, there should be a limited amount of time extended and certainly not forever. After all as their leave begins to end, they can start searching for work before it ends. I think if the NDP had their way, everyone would be living off the tax payer. I pray they never get a majority!!!


kate
said

I'm sorry but when you chose to have a child it should be because you have the cash to support it- you don't just wing it and hope you have enough to cover the costs. The planet is overpopulated by over 4 billion people and you want to pay people to have more children? It's the overpopulation that is the root cause of global warming and all other problems.


Cory
said

I think our EI system is already quite generous with women who are off for a year on benefits. What are we going to add another year on top. Give us a break!


Only democracy works
said

This is just another socialist program that encourages people not to bother looking for work. Why seek a job when the government will pay someone to stay home? Socialism does not work Jack, you have learned nothing from the failure of the Soviet Union or the lack of freedom in China.


JB at the UofC
said

@ Rose and Compassionate Conservative

WOW is the first thing that comes to my head. Are you saying these things because it's the NDP? Would you completely support this if it was Harper announcing it?

I am one of the biggest Harper fans out there, but sometimes I don't agree with what Harper does. I don't like the NDP at all and believe that it's people that have no idea how the economy works and retired people that vote for them.

But sometimes you have to step back and admit that good ideas come from people that are not Conservative.

I think this is a good idea and I will write my Cons. MP asking them to support this.

These are women who had a job when they got pregnant and because of the slow down were laid off while on leave. Show a little heart people, your comments are NOT Canadian, go live in Texas if that's how you really feel, with the rest of your capitalist EXTREME righty's.


Vanessa
said

I think it's a great idea. I've known a few moms now who have been laid off prior to returning to work. You people on your high horse had better get off. Some of us have all of our "I's" dotted and our "T's" crossed before we have kids and yet we are all disposable to our employers and can lose our jobs at any time. We pay into EI all of our working lives so why couldn't we extend it? I hope you ignorant factoid robots lose your jobs sometime so you can walk in the shoes of others.


Christine in Sudbury
said

@compassionate conservative:
"choose to get fired"? I don't know many people who choose to be fired, but regardless, if you get fired you are not eligible for EI. This provision is not for women who didn't have a job to begin with but those who intend to go back only to find themselves without a job. I have had three children, taken my parental leave with all of them, and gone back to work. If I were suddenly to find myself with no job to go back to, I would appreciate the leeway to find something else with a little income coming in (at max. $350 or so a week, you don't get rich on EI benefits). Better I should go on welfare and stay home indefinitely?


DD from ON
said

Such pessimism! It would be worth getting stats on the amount of women who abuse the system before condemning all those who are on maternity leave. After all, audits and interviews are done with those receiving welfare.

The 50-week maternity leave doesn't apply to everyone. Lots of women have a much shorter leave, or none at all. Now that there is a greater number of low-paying, part-time, temporary and contract jobs, I think this bill would bring us in a good direction.

As a side note, I wonder how many women lose opportunities for promotions and raises because they go on maternity leave.


Marietta
said

Having a baby used to be a personal, intimate decision between two people. Now all of a sudden it's society's (my) problem?? Maybe prospective parents should consult with their employer and fellow employees to see what the impact of their decision would be, since businesses are affected by these maternity leaves. Then there's the rest of us who have to pay to support more and more benefits so new parents can have that year off. If you want a baby, it's your responsibility, don't expect socialist Canada to take up the slack for this. Mr. Layton will give everything away if he ever gets elected, taxes will skyrocket. Everybody wants something for "nothing", but we all end up paying for this.


smuggy
said

smart.
They figure, there are many single mums as well, they might as well target them.
NDP,NDP,NDP.... u never cease to amaze me.
Smart move though, i'll tell u that.


Beth
said

Gee by some of these comments we should just stop reproducing all together! You better go get your vasectomies and tubal ligations now!


P, Toronto
said

to compassionate conservative:

I am not surprised by your comments even though I strongly object! Why should a working mother lose her job while she's pregnant and not get extended benefits? I would support this bill in a heartbeat if I were the MP in my area.


PRO-support for mothers
said

People who receive EI benefits while on Maternity leave ARE the taxpayers or else they would not be eligible for EI. I for one have paid well over $20,000/ year for 10 years in income taxes before getting pregnant and claiming EI benefits. TO KATE: I suppose we should be expected to take the day off to deliver the baby and get back to work?? And Canada is a far far from being overpopulated with only 30 million people over an enormous land mass...this is just ridiculous for you to suggest we should stop having children to stop overpopulation. EI benefits are determined based solely on the previous 52 weeks worked. Why should we not receive EI if we lose our jobs after returning on the bases that we have been taking care of our children for the last 52 weeks. What about the 520 weeks or 20,800 hours worked previously to having children? The year spent on maternity should most certainly be taken out of the equation and the hours worked previous to maternity leave should count!! The reason women were given the year of benefit is the overwhelming evidence of the importance of the years 0 to 5 in a child's life ...mother's should be encouraged to spend the crucial first year of their child's life with them and this most certainly should be encouraged by the government be providing assistance while we are unable to work. In the end it is better for our society.


Conservative who likes the idea with stipulation
said

I generally don't agree with the NDP but in this case I do. If someone is legitimately laid off near or at the end of their mat/pat leave then they have been budgeting for going back to work and would need the extra support.

The issue is that we will have to ensure that it is not abused. For example if a company "lays off" an employee when there was no real need for it just so that the employee can get the extra benefits then the company should be held financially responsible. The same should be true if a company lays off someone instead of firing them for valid reasons.

I think EI is something that is there as a safety net and just because you have a child you should not loose it, however I also believe that if you abuse the net intentionally that from that point forward you should be without....


Brian Fraser
said

How about a new concept?

You have children, you support them, leave John and Jane taxpayer out of the equation.

I am sorry if people disagree with that concept.


Mommabear
said

Mothers dont CHOOSE to get get laid off after their Mat Leave! Give your head a shake! We pay into Ei, we shouldn't be condemned for using Mat leave benefits, and CERTAINLY NOT blamed if we are laid off at the end of it!!! I think the NDP's propsal is a good one, and i myself and a Tory supporter. Wake up, No One chooses to lose their job these days!


Jason
said

I kind of agree with this idea. Everyone needs an income to support themselves and new moms coming off mat leave are no different. The purpose of EI is to help protect a persons standard of living while they find replacement work... Why should a new mom coming off mat leave be any different? Especially if shes unexpectantly let go right at the end of her leave as many of these employers are doing.


BrianB
said

There's no misogyny here, is there? Though the title indicates women, it would apply to any caregivers -- those on parental leave for their children, but also those who have taken a leave to care for a sick parent, for example. The point of this is that they still get the same amount of time to look for a job as anyone else who has been laid off while still at work (so they are not penalized for having chosen to have a baby at a 'bad time' as an example). And Kate, really, get a life -- Canada has a problem with keeping the population level growing (with the mortality rate exceeding the birth rate, we are increasingly finding we do not have enough young people to help support the older people). We need people to have more children, or we need to increase the level of immigration into Canada.


c. Morris
said

Brian Fraser,
They pay into EI like any other, why should they not access it? I expect that if you lose your job you refuse to take EI (even though you have paid into it). John and Jane taxpayer shouldn't pay for you to have an income if you are let go, either...


liz ottawa
said

for those of you against this, being a good mom is one of the most important contributions you can make to society so I think if the state helps you out when you get laid off because you take mat leave, that is good for all of us. and for those of you saying if you want to have a baby why not pay for it yourself, cost of living has gone up hugely in the past 10 years, think with your heads. I did not get to partake in the one year mat leave that began several years ago since I had my daughter in 1990, but I thought it was a good idea when they brought that in so parents could be off longer. think people, these children are future tax payers, look at it that way. and if they are properly cared for maybe they wont turn into convicts and hoods, we should all want that. I am all for this. (even though Layton is supporting it and I dont generally support anything he has to say, this is not bad). dont know if the Cons will go for it though.


Have some understanding
said

I'd love to know how many of you saying this is a terrible idea have had kids. There seems to be a real lack of understanding about how this works. Statements like "choose to get fired" or "ask to get laid off" and not being financially prepared or able to have kids.

Women who take leave have a reasonable expectation to return to a job. For this reason they are not going to use this time to look for work. Companies generally do not inform those on leave that they are going to be laid off since legal issues can easily arise (the person on leave finds out they'll be laid off, but the company can't officially lay them off because they are on leave).

I've seen many women laid off immediately after ending leave. They are an "easy" target since someone has been filling the role already.

I think the current policy prevents EI from being used as it should be, by those who unexpectedly lost work and need some financial help until they find a new job.

For those who complain about paying for other people to have kids, I could see some merit in the argument that EI should not be paying any maternity benefits (not sure I agree with that, but at least it makes more sense than denying EI to someone who's paid for that safety net and then can't use it when they need it). This people can plan for and limit the leave to what they can afford. However, without a doubt it should be there for those who lose there job after their leave.


Finally a good idea from Jack
said

Applause to PRO-support for mothers

Thanks for pointing out that parents who choose to stay home and take care of a baby are in fact taxpayers, clearly that fact is lost on many of the posters here. I am the father of a beautiful little girl and I spent 5 months at home with her on paternity leave, did I get EI? yes I did, the little that is available but I did it because I now have a deeper bond with my daughter that I may not have had otherwise. Shame on anyone who makes a ridiculous statement like "perhaps you shouldn't have kids if you can't afford it"

If you really want to look at where the EI system can save money how about seasonal workers who work for 8 months and collect for 4 months, why is that acceptable to you but this isn't??





R from O town
said

It's great that the NDP wants to help these families when times are tough but what about those who are self employed? They have to save their own money no matter how hard times are. We should be more responsible for our actions! We choose to have children and should be prepared with some money saved in the Bank before we have them. Also, what about those Gov empoyees who get a huge top up and almost have full salaries for the time they're off. Shouldn't we revise what they are being paid too!


Happened to me
said

This happened to me three years ago when I was laid of from Nortel. Luckily, I was smart enough to contact a lawyer and negotiate a larger package to compensate for the EI benefits that I would not be eligible for, since I had maxed out my EI on maternity leave. Seemed silly at the time as the two situations were extremely different - so I was shocked I would not qualify. As a conservative at heart, I still have to give credit to the NDP for pushing this forward....


Prynce
said

EI is a social contract for each Canadian to help each other out, we each pay into it so that when our time comes to be in need of help, we have it and our children are not out on the street. I am self-employed and do not have access to this insurance, so the onus is on me to tough it out. As a Conservative I wholeheartedly support this initiative for mothers. I won't benefit from it but happier healthier less stressed families will, which means less burden on our health system and possibly less stress on our courts, policing system, child support services, and schools. As it is practically a given that financial stress is the #1 underlying cause of family social and health issues from what I have observed.

P.S. Workers who are fired or quit their jobs do not get EI, and persons receiving regular EI are tracked on their job search.


Tori
said

Why is it not law that companies cannot layoff or fire women for being on maternity leave?

They should be able to return to their jobs as if never having left. Employers can hire interm and temps for the duration of maternity leave.

This is the same as our reservist in the military. They work civilian jobs and have to quit to serve our country because there is no legislation to protect their jobs when on active service.

Time that legislation protects all, not just new moms but new dad's who take the paternal leave when mom works.

How about protecting the job of a person who has to be home to care for a loved one who is dying? They can draw unemployment now but there jobs are not protected.

There are too many scenieros for the government to just offer job protection to pregnant and working moms.




cs
said

I feel that almost a year of maternity leave is excessive. I also find it frustrating that after returning from maternity leave woman feel that they should be promoted/advanced at the same rate as those who were working and gaining experience during the year they were away on maternity leave. I take exception to the comment "The reason women were given the year of benefit is the overwhelming evidence of the importance of the years 0 to 5 in a child's life ...mother's should be encouraged to spend the crucial first year of their child's life with them" I raised two boys and only received 8 weeks of maternity leave for each of them, they are both great young men and I am very proud of them. I think the quality of the time spent with your children is more important than the amount of time. Lets consider lowering the amount of time on maternity leave, then consider more EI for moms who get laid off.


mother, not a baby
said

I am a mother, I took 9 months for each pregnancy - IF I had been laid off after the maternity leave ran out I would have never felt I was due anything - you pay your premiums, you take the benefits and that is that - any mother who cries like her baby that she is due more JUST because she had a baby is going to make a terrific parent - excellent example - the NDP drive me crazy with these rediculous ideas - time for Canadians and some politicians to grow up and be responsible adults.


reporting from ottawa
said

north america is pretty stingy when it comes to paternity/maternity leave. I say this is a proposal I could definitely support. Agreed there will be some abuse of the system's rules, no matter how they are set up, -or DEPENDING on how the rules are set up- but we should not let a few bad apples ruin a good idea. Living in Ottawa has shown me there will always be bad apples around.


Bob NS>
said

We are not talking about miracle money coming from "up there".
Bottom line EI money comes from the working people.
I think that 50 weeks of drawing money from working folks is plenty.
Don't push it too far.

Bob NS>


Jodi
said

I have never been a fan of the NDP and voted for the Conservatives in the past two elections and fully support Harper. But for once I believe that the NDP are showing support for hard working women. Do not lump every new Mom into the same category. It is our right to have a child and receive the same benefits as everyone else. We have worked hard and contributed to the EI program just like everyone else. I don't expect a hand out from the government but do expect to be treated fairly and with respect.


P, Toronto
said

For those who disagree...you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I'm not a mother, yet...and if I lost my job while on mat leave, I would be devastated. With the little money coming in from EI, lets face it, you only get 55% of your income AND you are taxed on top of it, who on earth would want to lose their job on purpose? For those who are working mothers out there, I applaud you for being able to live on 55% of your regular income for a year...and that's of course if you have husband to support you as well (not everyone does) I don't normally support the NDP, but think this is great idea since it protects what little amount you get to begin with.


Tanya
said

I think the real question here is how can one live on 55% off their wage for an entire year especially with the added expense of another mouth to feed? I went back to work when my baby was three months old even though I was eligible for 50 weeks, because there was no way we could live on half my income. I would rather had have 6 months at 100% of my income than a year at half!!!


Nelly AB
said

Rose and Compassionate Conservative (and others who make these RIDICULOUS comments). Women on EI for maternity leave factor in coming BACK to their jobs- to say they should 'stop whining' and they 'chose to get pregnant' etc--is utter idiocy--the women plan on coming back to their JOBS! they don't expect (or budget) to be laid off. It is totally unfair, and will prevent companies from using the "restructuring" wildcard to ditch the women unfairly while they are away.


Jenn
said

I cannot believe what I'm reading....heartless people! Have you no compassion for others?? If you were in this situation would you not want the same?? Until you or someone you know go through something like this, please keep your comments to yourself.


Brett in Alberta
said

I can't believe the negative comments, everybody criticizes the Opposition for shooting down Cons. ideas and not giving a better idea and that's what is going on here. Lots of Criticism and nothing else.

Don't you people think it's a little harsh for somebody to max out their EI on maternity leave to come back and find out they are laid off and have no more EI?

But "they choose to get fired"? They "should have to deal with it"? If you don't like the idea of the NDP than give a better idea, otherwise, ZIP IT, your just as bad as the Liberals and NDP for making criticim without a better plan.

An alternative idea could be a garantee of employment for X amount of time after coming back, then it falls on the employer and not the taxpayer. It also gives the person time to earn some EI time.

Or perhaps everybody should get a longer severance pay, this would make employers really think "ok we really don't need this person" so much so that they are willing to pay the extra severance.

One way or another if this type of layoff is happening then there is an injustice happening and it needs to be dealth with, maternity leave was not intended for new mothers to be looking for work because the got laid off while on maternity leave.

p.s. I am a huge Cons supporter, but I am a huge believer that good ideas come from everybody, If you don't like an idea give a better one.


Labrador Girl
said

I am a working mom of 2. I was fortunate enough to be entitled to a full year of mat/pat leave on both of them, and I took every single day, which I feel I deserved. There are people out there who only work long enough at one job to be able to get laid off and claim EI, and I am not one of those people. Those 2 years off on EI are the only 2 years I will be on EI (hopefully), so why shouldn't I, or other moms be entitled to it? I pay into it, just the same as any other person. As for advancing while being off on Mat/pat leave, why shouldn't new parents be entitled to advancing while off on EI? Would you make the same comments if a person was off on medical EI? They shouldn't be entitled to advancement either? Oh, and lastly, I don't know anyone who 'chooses' to get fired...


Rose
said

Nelly and all who have your point of view.
You are right, no one plans on getting laid off, but people do. Men and women who do not take mat leave don't plan on losing their jobs either. However, it is not MY responsiblity should you choose to have children, and I should not have to pay higher premiums. Yes, I have 3 children. I was a stay at home mom too. I did not and do not expect someone esle to foot the bill for my choices.


Walter (Winnipeg)
said

Don't necessarily agree with the NDP on this, but I certainly like to see more help for young families, where the mother can stay home for up to 5 or 6 years with some pay to raise their children. Who can raise your child the best? Certainly not institution or day care.
We would have a lot less problems with our children would be taken care of by their parents.


Dee Bank
said

What about people who are on sick leave? EI only gives 16 weeks. A friend of mine worked for 20 years and due to cancer had to go on EI and EI ran out in 16 weeks! Not fair. How can you expect a peron with serous illness to come back to work in 16 weeks. Maternity leave is 52 weeks. No offence but those new moms have not work for 15/20 yers befor claiming EI. EI is not fair. Very selfish politiciancs make those decessions.


Windsor Woman
said

I think many people are losing site of the issue: If John Smith goes into work on Monday and is laid off, he is entitled to EI. If Jane Smith is slated to return from maternity leave on the same Monday, and walks in only to be laid off, she is entitled to ZERO EI, because she just completed parental leave. This is essentially punitive to the person who just comleted parental leave, and in fact could be a person of either gender, due to parental leave provisions. This has nothing to do with "society paying to raise children"; it has to do with being penalized because one took parental leave with seemingly poor timing. If all laid off workers are entitled to EI, why should the person returning from leave not be entitled to the same?


Marg
said

Not a bad idea, as long as it is not abused, however there are a lot of new moms who don't plan to return to work, but don't necessarily tell their employer, in order to keep the option open. In these cases, they shouldn't be able to extend EI, but it would be hard to police.No one should expect to lose their job after being on any kind of leave. I'm certainly not a fan of Jack Layton or the NDP, however,some of the EI "rules" put in by the Liberals may need to be undone in these economic times.


Junior
said

Maternity provides for 50 weeks of assistance. That is by far the lengest benefit period. Atlantic Canada can get up to 45 weeks based on the local unemployment rate.
With the increased UI rates across the Country even Ontario will be entitled to extended periods of EI. Have we heard from and Dads out their who got a lay off while on Paternity leave?? Just asking??How would they fit in??


Fairness
said

This happened to me, and I was devastated: At 31 years old, my husband and I had planned (including financial planning) to have a child, and were blessed as I enjoyed the parental leave.

I was terminated the week that I was to return to work, and thought, "no problem...laid off employees receive EI." Not in my case...I would have had to work 16 weeks after returning from leave to qualify, so while everyone else received benefits, I didn't. I had contributed to EI since being employed from age 19.

Now on the other hand, you have my brother-in-law, who as an extremely able-bodied 31 year old, works four months of the year, and collects EI for the remaining eight months, and does this consistently.

Tell me where the equity and fairness is in all of this? Who takes advantage of the system? Some of you need to really think this through a little better.



Mr T, Happy Responsible Father of 3, Ontario
said

Canadian Birthrate - About 1.1% (Stats Can)
Canadian Deathrate - About 0.7% (Stats Can)


Bear in mind that, without children to replace ALL of us,we are more dependant upon immigration to fill the void/support us/maintain pensions/provide services as we get old, retire and die. Alternatively, reducing population = reducing GDP (probably) = longer and longer recession = even those without kids lose jobs and claim money from EI that taxpayers like me are funding (as well as 3 kids and a stay-at-home mom).

We are all dependent upon each other, whether you like it or not.


Bay Street Recruiter
said

Mr. Lublin is absolutely correct. As the President of an Employment Agency for over 15 years I can tell you that this is common practice in large corporations, especially if it's a first or second leave. If there is the expectation that another leave is on the horizon these women are prime targets. I especially love the corporations who promote the "work-life balance" on their career sites. I guarantee these are the worst offenders!

JB at the UofC
said

@ Rose

Spoiled, Selfish, Self-centered...Oh the list goes on, but I want CTV to post my comment. These are some of the thoughts that come to mind when I read your comment.

A stay at home mom, with 3 kids, I don't think anything more needs to be said when it comes to the amount of money you married into. For the other 95% of us who don't have the LUXURY to be able to stay at home while raising 3 kids, there is a little security expected when you go on mat/pat leave to have a kid.

Getting laid off during this time is not something anybody can plan for, so how is this their "choice?" Your saying that now this is something somebody has to take into consideration when having a child? Isn't there enough that people have to tend with when having a child?

The average age of starting a family is approx. 30 years old, these are well established people. This isn't some 18 year old who is getting laid off from McDonald's. If everybody has to have 100% certainty to have a kid then nobody is going to have a kids.

Jason in London
said

It's amazing when I check the comments and the first comment from "Compassionate Conservative" uses language like "if these women chose to get pregnant, they can hardly complain...." and "fewer women would choose to get fired". My wife got pregnant well before the current economic crisis came into play. Six weeks prior to her benefits ending, she discovered her job had closed its doors permanently. Should we base our decision to have children on how the TSX is doing?

These comments by C.C. suggest that women routinely go out and get pregannt in order to collect EI, and/or choose to get fired while on benefits so they don't have to return to work.

The EI system in general needs to be reworked for more than just women losing jobs while on maternity leave to get closer to individual situations. I just can't think of any part of our society that needs it more than a newborn child.


Trent
said

I have no problem giving a hand up, but enough of the hand out's,if they beleave they have been wrongful let go sue that company..We are giving more money away,who is going to pay for it? the middle class worker,I know have to support something else??? We need to find a better system that works for everyone.


JJ
said

The society we live is one based on helping each other out. Children pay the way of future and by that I mean that their future taxes pay for our pensions and such. Society needs it's members to have children to support our economy. We also need those now unemployed women to pay their taxes too ;)

If you feel so strongly that you don't care about these women, then maybe you wouldn't mind signing away your CPP and any long term health services that are paid for by future adults and the families that raise them.

Lastly, if your parents chose that attitude, you wouldn't be here making ridiculous comments :P

Just asking
said

You should ask yourself something, If these women where not on EI and got laid off would you endorse addition benefits becasue the layoff came as a result of the down turn , The reality is becasue they where on Materinty leave they did not get layed off . When returning from leave they get laid off . I believe under current law , companis have to wait until they return to layoff .


What about the men who take the leave and then get laid off, does it apply to them as well ......

EI is a Beneifit , having a family in most cases is choice, when you make that choice of your own free will why should EI be extended

AJW-Ontario
said

I agree with Tori. I don't think companies should be allowed to lay off individuals before they come back from maternity leave or any leave for that matter.
It think that should be part of the legislation. and if any company does that they should have to pay a hefty fine and a hefty compensation package to the person they had laid off.

Bob
said

So, what's to stop any woman in this instance from saying "yeah, I was gonna go back to work, but was laid off while on maternity benefits", whether or not she really intended to go back? How do they distinguish the difference between those who really wanted to go back & have no job to go to, from the ones that had no intention of going back at all, but say they did, simply to get more EI?


A mother
said

Maybe we just believe in personal responsibility and not expecting "the system" to pay for an employee to stay home for a year after having had that baby. And employers may hire or fire any employee they want to. Many times the fill-in worker is more productive and more likable. Maternity leave is way too long, then the employer and returnee have to spend some time readjusting. It's a pain in the neck for employers, but, since everybody expect concessions nowadays, it's tolerated. What a spoiled generation.


Keyes
said

The inmates are running the asylum! Where does the EI generosity cease? Forty years ago there was nothing and today the government will pay mothers at home, up to 50 weeks of EI. Then they want to add part timers and self-employed workers. Who's paying for all these "extra" extended benefits during the recession? The poor guy who has kept his/her job and is now footing the bill for these "extras". We need to "bailout" the guy who is working themselves into an early grave/retirement. Point 1. If you keep adding and extending benefits for non-working folks then the only way you can pay for it is to tack on the costs to those working. (READ MY LIPS LOTS OF NEW TAX) I pity our children who will be paying off these endless "new" benefits plus the remaining unpaid deficit's of the 70's and 80's plus the coming huge increase in health costs as "boomers" inundate our already overburdened medical system and now we just keep shovelling the burden upon our kids and grandchildren. Does the phrase freeze all the benefits mean anything in government. We can't afford to bailout everyone!!!


Leslie
said

For all those who complain about women who take the time to not only have a child but also to raise that child to be a repectable citizen when they're older remember this: you will grow old someday and want to claim that pension that you've been working so hard to earn, where do you think it comes from? It'll be those kids that we have raised that pay into the taxes of this country that will enable you to have it and without worry.
It's simple, we pay into EI while we work, we collect while we don't...if we are laid off during that time is it our fault? I don't think so! If you don't want to have kids, or take less time while on leave, that's your choice, but don't go knocking other people who actually want to have the quality time with their kids. Kids grow up fast enough these days without taking what little time you get with them in the beginning that you do get and without a lot of income. For those who believe in what I do, thanks for your support, for those who don't, you're missing out on a wonderful time in the lives of the next generation.


Brett in Alberta
said

@ Rose

Do you really think that because your husband makes enough money to support you and your 3 kids that you are not a burden on society?

Who is paying for your portion of the roads you are driving on? Who is paying for your portion of income tax you are not paying? Or anything else you seem to be taking for granted?

These women are expecting to go back to work once they come back from Mat/Pat leave, a system we are all entitled to. These are women who want to go back to work and pay taxes to make up for the people who stay at home and don't contribute to our GDP.

And you criticize the very people who make up for the portion you are not paying? I don't think you have the right.

You use the same things that every other person uses but you don't pay taxes, maybe your husband should have to pay for the taxes you don't pay, since after all it was your "choice" as you said. So please don't sit at your computer and say that you are not a burden on society.


Jane
said

I think this a great idea!!! When women make contributions to EI, they should be able to access it when they are laid off - this is only fair.

Anyone who thinks that pregnant women "choose" to get fired should "choose" to keep their mouth shut.


DON
said

I don't think so.it's not other peoples problem when you decide to have kids.


Dave in NB
said

This sure has touched a nerve hasn't it.


Hillary
said

Tori
Why is it not law that companies cannot layoff or fire women for being on maternity leave?
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DUH. Ever think that conditions and businesses change while mommies are away?

Bundy
said

Pay for your own damn kids!


JF Calgary
said

Why does the NDP Party always try to single out groups for special treatment. All Canadians unemployed at present should be entitled to additional EI benefits.


Kirk
said

might seem fair but at what cost?


Anne
said

Any EI changes should benefit all citizens, both men and women, according to their circumstance.


Molly
said

Jenn
I cannot believe what I'm reading....heartless people! Have you no compassion for others?? If you were in this situation would you not want the same?? Until you or someone you know go through something like this, please keep your comments to yourself.
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Is is just me or someone asking others to 'keep comments to themselves' on a COMMENT board the greatest irony.
Sad.


Frank Lee
said

ah yes, the NDP - masters at coming up with new, creative ways to pay people for not working. And where, alas, does the money come from? "the government" of course. And where does the big, bad government get its money....?


-_-
said

I'd much rather call it a 'dismissal' for any company 'laying off' an employee who has just completed a 'maternal leave'. This can't be considered a "lay off" in such circumstances.


chad
said

if you payed taxes and went to work and are canadian who payed into EI you should get as much help as we can give you. Isn't it only fair


CW
said

Does anyone think that if we had way lower taxes it would make it easier to save when you decide to have children? Instead of the same old way TAX TAX TAX, then subsidize. I for one would like way less of a government strangle hold on our every day life. What ever happened to be responsible for your own desicions and suffering the consequences of those desicions. It is too easy now to screw up point the finger and say the government needs to fix this. Wake up people and take resonsibilty again. The only way to do this less government envolvment not more.


Randy Conn
said

Why should taxpayers have to pay for this JACK?
How about this? An all expense paid trip for all the new moms .. or a new car!
Where do u think this money is going to come from??? The money tree?

nurseinvancouver
said

I am with you!!
Compassionate Conservative
You said what needed to be said!!


Linda in Vancouver
said

There isn't a soul in this country that wouldn't like to have more money.But the government has no money to hand out.They are only the custodians of our money.
Just like the NDP always does,they stand up for those who wnat to recieve these benefits,but say nothing to support those who have to pay for them.It is a mirror image of their policies on crime.They love to defend the "poor" criminals,but ignore the rights of victims and law abiding citizens.
Perhaps every time we demand more spending from the government,we should include a plan that tells us where that money will come from.Which taxes will go up to support this,or which other services should be cut in favour of this new plan to spend more here.
This idea is little more than a thinly veiled plan to troll for more votes in the next election.Harper can be prtrayed as evil for not supporting it,and an NDP with no hope of ever forming a government,and no way to be held accountable,can boast about something they will never have to find the funds for anyway.
Well,sometimes,when people ask for something,just like a prayer for something,if you are responsibel for governing,the answer has to be "No".
Just as I always hate to say "No" to my kids,I know that is often the only right answer.Jack Layton can act the role of spoiler because he will never have to pay ALL of the bills,and "yes" is always earier to say in cases where someone else will be held accountable.
This is his way of forcing more social engineering on an entire nation.


Maria, Vancouver
said

Something a lot of people fail to realize: if we all invest a little money into our society and ensure that families are able to live above the poverty line then we actually REDUCE COSTS in the future. If a mother loses her job that could mean her house. It could mean her going on welfare. Her children having to quit school early to work to help the family and then possibly turning to a life of crime as they have NO EDUCATION and NO REAL PROSPECTS. How much does it cost to put one juvenile delinquent through the court system? A whole lot more than his mother would've received on EI. The REAL shame is on the employers who use the maternity leave that ALL WOMEN are entitled to as an excuse to lay them off. Picking on the most vulnerable in society as usual.
That's right, everyone for themselves! Go to certain parts of the world where people actually practice that and you will find some of the most vicious slums and crime ridden societies in the world. Is that where you want to live? Do you want 'no-go' zones in YOUR city? Do you want to have to fear walking the streets at night? We all need to learn a thing or two from the Nordic countries who always top happiness, equality and well-being lists. A little giving to those less fortunate goes a long way to improving ALL levels of our society.


Glasgow, Scotland
said

@ Only democracy works

You are one of the many uneducated/uninformed individuals out there who HAVE to stop confusing socialism with communism. They are not the same thing. China and the Soviet Union are/were COMMUNIST not socialist nations. Google it, pick up a book, anything. Just don't post your musings until you have something intelligent to say.


new mom
said

I also think they should take into consideration making the benefit percentage higher for maternity / parental leave - it's not like new moms are off work because they have no job - they have expanded their family and 55% just doesn't cut it - it is really hard for some families to make it with that little amount of money. This low percentage can force some new parents back to work long before they are ready to return just to make sure ends meet.


Adam
said

If the CPC had proposed this, like they proposed offering mat. leave for the self-employed, people on here would be reacting differently. Some of the comments don't even follow the same logic as the story. The women are getting fired because they were on mat leave, not that they want it extended. They are perfectly willing to return to work, but find themselves fired because they had a kid, with no benefits left, how can you plan for this? Shouldn't thier job still be there when they get back?


Tired of all the loud Hypocrites
said

It is with an almost comical level of hypocrisy that ultra right wing Conservatives who beat us over the head with their pious mantra of "family values" are also vehemently opposed to supporting families who do not fit their exacting standards for childbearing simply because the mother either chooses to or must work due to financial constraints.


tmc2318
said

what about Dads?


Don
said

EI is EI. The issue is not whether these women should get money. The issue is do not try and push a welfare issue under the guise of EI reform. I don't think that EI benefits are intended for people that are not looking for or turn down a job. Why should the tax payer get stuck with this? Anyway, I personally think that a new mom should spend the first 2 yrs with the child, but not at tax payer's expense.


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