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Census objector struggled over morality of decision

Cars leave Lockheed Martin after a shift change Thursday, April 9, 2009, in Marietta, Ga.  (AP / John Amis)

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By: Andy Johnson, CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Sun. Apr. 12 2009 4:20 PM ET

The decision to object to the 2006 census was easy for Todd Stelmach.

After learning that U.S. arms manufacturer Lockheed Martin had been awarded the contract to perform the survey, he immediately decided his religious and anti-war beliefs wouldn't allow him to participate.

"I feel as a Christian we need to pursue peace and resist and oppose militarism and all forms of war," Stelmach says simply of his decision.

But the two years and lengthy court battle that have followed have been anything but simple, and there have been many moments when the 32-year-old Kingston, Ont. healthcare worker questioned whether he made the right decision.

When a judge handed down his ruling last week, and the process was finally over, Stelmach knew the fight was worthwhile -- and that he was glad it was over and he was still a free man.

Ontario Court Justice Charles Anderson found Stelmach guilty of refusing to sign the census and issued a $300 fine. But Stelmach avoided up to three months of possible jail time. As well, there was no court order that he sign the census -- something the Crown had sought.

'Personal victory'

Stelmach, who had pleaded not-guilty, called it a "personal victory" and said he wouldn't have been able to obey such a court order and would have faced a possible criminal record as a result.

That prospect worried Stelmach, especially after he learned recently that his wife was pregnant.

"It made me question whether I still wanted to go through with it," he tells CTV.ca. "It suddenly felt like the costs were greater if I were to get a criminal record from not complying with a court order, if I was given one."

As a devout Christian, Stelmach also wrestled with the implications of his decision to openly flout the law. He admits he "waffled back and forth in the early stages."

"There's a passage in scripture, Romans 13, that asks us to submit to the governing authorities and I had to do a lot of reading and a lot of praying to decide whether this was one of those circumstances where I had to disobey the authorities," Stelmach said.

For guidance, he sought out writings by Mennonite theologians whose way of life often forces them to take similar choices.

"My final conclusion was the idea that I can submit to the governing authorities' punishment but I don't necessarily need to obey if I feel that doing so would compromise my beliefs," he explains.

Supporting Lockheed Martin Ltd. Canada, a subsidiary of the U.S. weapons giant Lockheed Martin Corporation, which Stelmach says manufactures cluster bombs, would have represented that level of compromise.

Lockheed Martin has been providing census services for a decade, contracted to carry out data collection, processing and analysis services, according to its website.

Their clients have included the U.S., Canada and the U.K. -- where protests have emerged over the decision to award the 2011 census contract to Lockheed Martin.

Stelmach's sentence

While the judge's final decision wasn't what Stelmach hoped for, it could have been much worse.

The Crown had argued for a $100 fine and a court order that he be ordered to fill out the census.

Stelmach suggested that instead of being forced to fill out the forms, he could do community service in populations typically underserved by the census, such as among the homeless.

In the end the judge decided to increase the fine, but forego the court order.

Stelmach said he had the full support of his place of worship, the Next Church of Kingston, in his fight.

Lockheed Martin, which provided the software for the 2006 census, also has the contract for the 2011 census.

He called on Canadians to oppose the involvement of a U.S. arms manufacturer in the Canadian census, and says he will resist the census again, if need be.

"If Lockheed Martin is involved with the 2011 census I will not co-operate. I will find ways to do that. Would I go as far to plead not guilty in a trial? Maybe not."

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Jeremy Jones
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Most people would fill it out and be done with it... not knowing (or caring) who was responsible. You have to honour this guy for making a stand and point.
I think next time around there may be more people following in his footsteps.


Liz, Wellingotn
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Is there not a Canadian company with the expertise to conduct the next census? This article raises some good questions.


M. Cameron
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This is just shocking to me! I hope that all Canadians will remember in 2011 to refuse to take the census, unless a Canadian company is conducting the survey. Vital statistics like these should never fall into the hands of a foreign country, no matter what kind of relationship we have with said country.


Happy Canadian
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I applaud your strength of convictions. Not many would stand up and fight for their beliefs.

My problem is not the arms manufacture part (which is good, because my employer was recently purchased by this type of company) but that detailed information is freely given to a private company. And we know what their moral values are like.


Jen
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I wonder what this poor guy is going to do for the 2011 Census, especially when he has a small child. Too bad he wasn't given the full penalty to fill out the form.


Jack A Lope
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Good 4 U man! U Rock!


Earl Robert
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This man is looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Let him have it for $100.00 plus the court costs plus the time and manpower to process his file. That should add up to a substantial amount and be done with it.


Suzy
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A noble gesture, and one that I agree with. It is in vain however, to avoid anything that isn't related to the military. The internet was created by DARPA, and DoD department. I read the news daily on the internet. Even the print news has connections to the military; they use satellite feeds and satellites were conceived by the military.

If you've ever recieved a parcel, you will find it was tracked via GPS, another military conception.

It's fruitless to "fast" from anything related to the military.

A noble gesture Mr. Stelmach. I support you, but unfortunately I don't think there is much we can do.

One promising thought: the Romans did fall eventually!


Brian, in Brantford, ON
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What, indeed, is "personal conscience"? That, alone, has been the root of so much divisiveness in history, as many individuals could only see the issue as a matter of conscience, not a matter of obedience to any authority, religious or governmental.

What Stelmach has done could be considered parallel to those women in Afghanistan who do not obey the newly enacted law that gives men the right of marital rape (among other repressive measures), and many people in Canada would support women who, in their personal conscience, are willing to "flout" the law, as the law violates their personal rights as a human.

Stelmach,despite his ambivalence, was willing to go just as far to show that the law requiring him to submit to a company that manufactures armaments (which cause so much death, destruction and pain in humans) for the purpose of a census was just as much a violation of his personal rights as a human.

Even though he had to pay the fine, triple that requested by the crown, the fact that he did not have to sign the census was a sign that conscience, in humans, is still worth pursuing, and blind obedience to any state would, ultimately, lead to the end of the human conscience, and most likely, to the end of the human race.


Mel from Calgary
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It seems Canadian companies are even incapable of doing our own census.

With the U.S. Patriot Act able to look into any computer in the U.S., Canada must do all this personal database gathering at home with Canadian companies not bound by this nefarious act.


Mike
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Where does it stop? Soon anybody for whatever reason will be allowed to do whatever they want based on religion or moral reasons. We live in a society that is being split apart in many ways because of an individual's feelings or morals or even religious rights.

Rob F
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Get real. As if avoiding the census will stop war or the companies that profit from it. If he sleeps better at night then go for it, he is just lucky he is not getting his night's rest in prison.

I also noticed that he has support of the group Christian Peacemakers Team, the same group who had people kidnapped and one executed in Iraq and was subsequently rescued by special forces. Anyone else see the irony in a group who opposes war getting rescued by special forces?


Valorie
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It seems odd that a company that provides census services is also part of a conglomerate that includes a company that makes bombs. But maybe that is part of today's reality of giant multi-national conglomerates with diverse subsidiaries. On the one hand, I understand Stelmach's reservations. On the other, where does it end? Maybe the short answer is, simplify and stick close to home. After all, can't we find a Canadian company to provide census services for Canadians?


Khai
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The Canadian Government is using an American arms manufacturer to collect data on Canadian citizens? There are a lot of moral ramifications there. If this were common knowledge, I'm sure there would have been hundreds more Canadians refusing to complete the census on moral grounds. Kudos to this gentleman for taking a stand and, for the most part, winning --despite the $300 fine.


Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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I think sometimes people can overthink these so-called religious objections.
We would probably be pretty limited in our purchasing ability if we were to refuse to buy from every company who may in some way be connected to an issue of religious or personal concern as there are many businesses out there that are interconnected. I'm willing to bet most people wouldn't know many of the firms they buy products everyday from may have a military connection or do business with them. As far as the Mennonites are concerned their views are varied. All you have to do is look at how they live. Some have hydro while some will run on alternative electrical systems and some have no hydro at all. Their use of technology is as limited as are their belief's and for that reason I would be skeptical. This seems to me to have been taken to the extreme as the guy is guilty and is lucky to get off as easy as he did. He shouldn't be treated differently in this case as this will only open the door to other questionable cases as his, resulting in more of a burden and possible abuse of the system at taxpayers' expense.


Don from Ottawa
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Forcing anyone to answer a census survey is wrong.

Whether you object on technical grounds as Stelmach did, or have more practical concerns such as disclosing your ethnic background to unknown future governments, it is too much Big Brother in our lives.

The census should include a "prefer not to answer" option.




Haywood J.
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I wonder if he boycotts all companies that have ties to the military or the war in Iraq? I do find it ironic that he states "I feel as a Christian we need to pursue peace and resist and oppose militarism and all forms of war," when most of the wars and militarism, not to mention oppression, over the past 1000 years have been caused by "Christians" that have justified it through scripture. Perhaps I'm just another deluded agnostic.


Josh Winkler Manitoba
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He is not against the Census just who asks the questions?
Next time a census taker comes to my door if it is a Liberal I will slam the door in their face, because I don't like them for their anti-religious stance on many things.


Prophet Bob from Calgary
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He had it right to begin with Romans 13 says follow the rules. I like Romans 22 the best (read it). Since he is a left winger he must beleive in redistibution of the wealth by the goverment and so by signing the form more money would be transferred to his home area based on population for bus service, infastructure etc.



Dave LeClair
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A real Christian would have directed all that energy into doing something nice for the less fortunate. How sad that he spent all that time only worried about himself. Not very Christian in my books.


Jon in Burl.
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It is great to have your beliefs, but this guy is over the top. He had to go back through centuries of works bt theoligians to find something that supports his beliefs.
In the end he is guilty and should have been.
We can all find passages to support our beliefs...Look at the Radical Muslums who murder innocent people with Bombs. Any average Muslim would say these people are fools. The Koran doea not support any of these things. It is just some fringe radicals interpretation.It was Gods will, God said I should do it. This is poopycock, we just need to blame somebody for our bad decisions in life.


Wade Ens - Mennonites won't fight for Commies
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Mennoites went to the Ukraine part of Russia under the Czar as part of an immigration deal where they got free land to settle, and they had an agreement of no military service. Then the Bolsivits or communists took over and as indepentent business people and farmers against communal stuff they packed up and headed to Canada rather than fight for the communists.
Menno Simms was actually just a good Catholic so whent the Catholics switched from full body emerison baptistism and went for the wet the head, and the Catholics made it so you could pay sins to be forigiven the Menno Simms said no no no.
So if this guy is trying to say Mennonites don't fight he is taking the history out of context, they just won't fight for communists.
His Church isn't a mennoite church either, sounds like just a trouble maker.



Dave
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I believe that should be "flout the law," not "flaunt the law." There is a big difference in meaning.


Frunk
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.... Does he think he can combat terrorism with a pencil. He better look again. Census information is a necessity in life and so are arms at this point in time.


Henry Wysmulek
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Go figure why people think religions and religious people are all crazy?




Rick
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One would think that a journalist who makes a living with words would know the meaning of the ones he uses. There is a huge difference between "flaunt" and "flout" and "flaunt" is not the appropriate word here...


DVC
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Oh gee another religious fanatic with too much free time on his hands who ends up wasting valuable taxpayer money. Stop straining at gnats and go help out the local food bank. Or better yet go get a job and donate the entire proceeds to the food bank. Idle hands are the devils workshop.


islander
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I think the need for a census no longer exists. Over the years they have added more and more probing questions that are none of their business. Far from what the questions were 30 years ago. I suppose the best bet is to not give true information on the questions you feel are an invasion rather than drawing attention to yourself by refusing to answer.


Bob
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... If he did complete the census it did not mean that he supports the company doing it.


Susan R. in B.C
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I am appalled at some of the comments in this thread knocking religion, but perhaps it's too bad that Stelmach used that bible-reading as part of his defence. That kind of thing should be kept out of court proceedings, and it's a shame it is allowed in,

I think he raised a good point though alerting us to Lockheed Martin's involvement in census. What's that about, would like to learn more


Steve Dartmouth. He just wants attention
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I think he fought it on I want to be on TV grounds.


Waste
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What a waste! Who cares? It is a census. If you are that anal about your beliefs or anti-war to fight this in court, then you deserve more than the $300 fine. Waste of the court's time. How much did it cost for the lawyer? I personally wouldn't care who has the contract for the census. Why didn't he just sign it and send it in blank or put VOID on all pages? I'm really glad this was newsworthy or else I wouldn't have known....wait....I don't care!

Walking Man
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Enjoyed your comment Suzy and I agree with U 2 Don from Ottawa.

Orwell's 1984 nears, with each passing day.


my own person
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To whom does a person belong?

If a person belongs to themselves, then the "authorities" need the individual's permission.

If a person is the property of the "authorities" then it is the individual who needs the permission.

No person is the property of the "authorities" in a free country.

I don't often hear the politicians talking much any more about Canada being a free country.


Terry
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That is what the goverment wants, blind obedience. Do not question just do it. Why can we not have a Canadian company in charge of the census?


concerned canadian
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there is a strong unpleasant smell to why lockheed martin is conducting the census. as usual it is coming out of ottawa.do we not have a canadian who can do this??


James VanVolkingburgh
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I have to commend Todd on acting in accordance with his convictions. However, this raises the whole pacifist issue and whether the state has the right/responsibility to bear arms in defence of its population. Scripture also states that the the government "does not bear the sword in vain" in regard to dealing with crime. This may also come under the principle of meat sacrificed to idols. Paul instructed his readers to eat meat without asking questions about its origin but if the host told you it had been offered to a false god then for conscience sake you should abstain from eating. Interestingly not our conscience but the conscience of the host. So do we go about our lives not inquiring about such things and go merrily along in ignorance? Obviously this reqires much more thoughtful debate and discussion.


Chris B in Liberal Toronto
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For ALL anti-war people including this spoiled individual, this is all IDEOLOGY and nothing else, anti-war ideology, their #1 enemy is the US Military and anybody who sides with them and in no way Al-Qaeda, Talibans, suicide bombers in Pakistan and all others who simply cut your head off for disobedience, if there was his way Afghanistan would have been returned to its "ordinary" life it had before Oct. 2001 and all women would start becoming AGAIN a PROPERTY of their men, ANY men...

Did this guy ever serve in the military like thousands of brave men and women soldiers who fight for FREEDOMS around the world?

It makes me sick!!!

Vancouver Joe
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What a complete waste of my tax dollars. The census is taken for a reason - if anybody can avoid filling it out for goofy religious reasons, then it loses it's validity. My religion says I shouldn't pay taxes. He wasn't being asked to fight a war just fill out a form. He should be made to sign and pay all court costs.


schpid
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Wonder if he has the moral courage as a christian to stand up to his church and their rules that don't stand up to the test of what society demands now such as same sex marriage, homosexuality, etc. Strange how religion can creep into everything and that one set of "unjust" rules can be ignored while others are taken at face value


What a waste!
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Who ever allowed such a frivilous and wasteful case to make it into our court system should lose their job. I sure hope that on top of the $300 fine he had to pay court costs. As a society couldn't we find a positive way to use our time and money resources?

Robert N
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Forget the religion.
Why are Canadians companies not doing this. I think that is the better question - why are we exporting our jobs.
Next it will be in a call centre overseas !!

All wrong. !!

Adam
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If we force people to fill out the census, we should force them to vote too. And if they dont fine them.


Frank Buchan (Vauxhall, Alberta by way of Ontario)
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Just more attention-seeking nonsense. At least he got his 15 minutes of fame.

As for the census, since it was meant to help allocate resources, maybe those who want to abstain should be allowed to, but should also be left out of health care and other systems that use this data? I somehow think that would be called petty, but the point is that we're talking about fairly useful data (in most cases).


Bob Boles
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Where do people think the guns used by our police/military come from? The police/military do our dirty work for us so we can whine in this free county about those bad arms manufacturers.


Sol Trickey
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There is a U.S. law which requires that all data obtained by a U.S. company, regarding foreign citizens be provided to the U.S. government. Raises some questions, considering the sensitivity of the information obtained.


Alex
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As a Catholic, I totally agree with him when he says we should "pursue peace and oppose militarism and all forms of war," but the fact is, militarism is unfortunately necessary to protect ourselves. Sometimes, it's the only way to pursue peace. In fact, without Canadian militarism, Stelmach probably would've been killed for doing what he did. People fought and died for his freedom.
I'd have to know more about what Lockheed Martin's weapons are specifically used for before supporting or opposing him. I'll never condone armed aggression, but I'm not a pacifist when it comes to defense.


Dan from Northern Ont
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It should be done by a Canadian company, however, the law is that you must fill them out, so fill it out. Censuses have been used since ancient times to better manage civilization. You're only doing your countrymen a disservice by not filling it out.


Garry in NS
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I too am a practicing Christian however, I have no quams filling out a census and I really don't care who has the contract for it. This story is an example of Christian Fundamentalism run amuck! I wonder what kind of vehicle he drives considering that the military (Canadian and US)have purchased vehicles from numerous manufacturers. Is he going to stop driving his? As for forcing people to vote, that may not be such a bad idea. It is done in Australia.


Ken in Victoria
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I know hundreds of people that didn't fill in the census. Not because the Bible told them not to, but because they don't trust the government or the people collecting the information.


Rick in NB
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We are confusing one important fact. If you are a christian than you believe god created the universe. It is man that founded religion. Man has hidden behind or used religion since its creation. Genocide, war and mass public torture have all been commited by man in the name of their tailored religion. We use our religion to justify our own sins. God has nothing to do with this kind of death. We have to admit that we are the masters of the brutality carried out in the name of God.
So in my opinion, when you use God to make your point. You are hiding behind God.


JB at the UofC
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I think I have to agree with Stelmach on this one, just for the fact that he's a man standing up for what he believes in.

Terry stated it nicely "blind obedience," the unfortunate part is that because this is North America, Stelmach had to go at this alone, if this was Europe there would have been crowds supporting him.

But we do what we do best, "yes, I'll sign those forms for ya" then we duck our heads and pay no attention to the slaves who stand up to "the Man". (no offense is intended towards those who might take offense)


Gail (Hamilton)
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A census is just an official count of the population providing information to the government on age, sex, occupation, etc. Various government departments probably use the information for voter's lists, taxation, healthcare costs, education requirements and more. It doesn't really matter who does the census, but people like Stelmach are just looking for their minute of fame.


Rosz
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WAY TO GO TODD!!!! I guess even the courts couldn't find objections to your stance considering this gang violence of late. You did you homework, most of us, even me, just send it in!

How hypocritical of our "untouchable" goverment to employ this business to conduct it's own! The makers of death and contributors to the gun situation which enables the drugs. Throw out all of the gov and let's start over.


Brad B
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For all those people wondering why a "Canadian" company can't do this:
1. Do you think the Government went out and chose this company? No, they bid the contract and anyone who thinks they can do it will bid on it. Based on the evaluation criteria (which you can find out if you care enough), Lockheed Martin won.

2. How many people do you think Lockheed Martin (Canada) employs? In the thousands, with all the military and aerospace contracts they hold.


DS
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His comment: "as a christian" is a joke.

Christians know that war is a judgment on sin, so his pious morals have no biblical basis.


Look at me.. look at me!
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When someone takes a strong stance on such a ridiculous issue, it reinforces my belief that we live in a great country where we don't have many real problems to worry about.

This is just another example of an attention craving individual trying to find a way to say "look at me, look at me".

As for the issue of an American company doing the survey, if they are more efficient than Canadian companies, they deserve to get the work. Remember the protectionism issues we were all worried about recently? Well, it works both ways.



Wise Wajid
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Good to know. This way more Canadians can prepare to REFUSE to fill out the census forms. Maybe by 2011, the gov't will have done something about this. Why should the US have so much of OUR PERSONAL INFORMATION???


Bundy
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Actually a real Christian would do as they are commanded and give away all their money and possessions. But of course it is convenient for him to avoid that part of the bible. Hypocrite.


Michael
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It's good to see somebody has conviction of his beliefs rather than go along like sheep and swallow the mantra of the politically correct nonsense we are so inundated with.


Hagios
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Forcing people to complete a census is stupid and it only gets peoples ire up. They can provide misinformation and how good is that?

Governments are supposed to be for the people not the reverse and its about time the anal retentive socialist liberals understood that fact and got with the program instead of trying to expand government thereby ensuring our rights are diminished.


Doug BC
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Amazing.This just shows how much Canadians love an underdog.Get real folks! THe guy is a clown,and just like "Earl Robert" said,is looking for his 15 minutes of fame.
There's nothing noble or principled in his stand.His position is just an excuse to use the census as a means of objecting to something else he doesn't like.
Census taking provides valuable information to the people to whom we assign the task of building all of our social programs,our tax system,our infrastructure and almost every service we demand of government.It is shear lunacy to think you can build anything without an accurate blue print.
If every one of us who had a beef with government took a similar stand,we'd all be whining about why government doesn't reflect the make-up of our citizens.They'd be trying to nation build with blindfolds in place.
I am close to extreme about issues of freedom and privacy,and I still see his position as nonsense.And even if it wasn't,the right thing to do if you don't like a law,is to work to change that law.Not to pick and choose which laws apply to you,and which laws apply to your neighbour,etc,etc.
In a democracy,if the vast majority of the people agree with you,the law will be changed.In the mean time,I think you need to respect ALL the laws of any country you wish to live in.
"Personal conscience"!! What a joke that is.What's really sad is how many people are buying into his dribble.


Mike from Edmonton
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Most if not all valuable technical advances come from wartime and if it wasnt for different ideologies we wouldn't have wars. I think his logic is off 180 degrees. I wonder if he will turn down the use of a defibrillator? ... invented during the Korean War


Mark (Ottawa)
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You got to be joking.Where does this end.I guess he also objects to the P-38 Lightning made by Lockheed fighting the Nazis and Japanese or maybe he also objects C-130 Hercules dropping food aid to hungry refugees around the world. We could all go on, on and on. Get a life.


elle ryker-lychkova
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i can't believe there are actually people posting messages AGAINST this man. honestly, why should we be forced by law to divulge information we don't want to? and why should we be forced by law to support an company or organization that we do not believe in by doing so? anyone who believes that citizens must bow to every demand of the governing body of any state has obviously been brainwashed in to believing that they will always be looked after kindly and lovingly by said governing body, as long as they acquiesce to their demands. they obviously have not read george orwell's 'animal farm' or 'nineteen eighty-four'; and if they have, they obviously do not have the capacity to understand anything but the face value of what is presented to them. honestly, give me one good reason we should be forced to sponser government programs and outside organizations that we do not wish to? its bad enough for us to have our tax money going to who knows what type of program or investment, why should we be force to divulge personal information that will be processed and retained by a company in another country? i personally absolutely do not feel comfortable having all of my personal information in the hands of the government, let alone a soulless american corporation!


Heavy hand of government slaps a regular guy
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I found out the hard way that the census is viciously serious about getting whatever information they see fit whether or not you feel you have a legitimate objection.

I once tried to decline to put my and my children's names on the Census form because I could not understand how having our names would help the government with gathering important demographic information.

I very quickly received a low key but extremely threatening phone call to the effect that I really had no choice unless I wanted to chance a jail sentence or at the very least, a heavy fine.

I conceeded rather than take the chance that they would ruin me.

I have to say it surprises me that this weapons manufacturer conducts surveys as a sideline.

It is disturbing to anyone who considers a stand for peace important.

The way war is conducted in today's world, the last thing I want to do is to put more money into their pockets so they can dream up better and more efficient ways to help kill mostly innocent people.

That being said, you really have no choice in the matter unless you are willing to go to the wall and literally risk everything like this man did.


Pat
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Whether it be based on religion or not, the fact remains that in order to effect change, it requires the actions of a body to stand to push for change. One leads to 2, to 3, etc. To address in the end, for one matter, to the issue of it being awarded to a 'Canadian' comapny.

Some comments reference him getting his 15 minutes of fame from this as they do not see this as something which concerned them. Should it have been an issue more personal to them, they would have seen it differently.

I refused for some time to complete it for different reasons but found my family being intimidated by the workers/government. I broke because of the family intimindation. I understand his concern of his growing family. I do respect him for standing for his beliefs.

Too many take a cavalier attitude of it's not their problem with everything yet find it easy to b*tch about it, yet do nothing.

If people don't stand up to change issues, the envelope gets pushed even further to see what they can get away with.


Ian in Tokyo
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Stelmach's reasons for refusing are admirable. But what is a U.S. company doing handling such sensitive Canadian information? This is endemic on our government always trying to please others and ignoring Canadians. This lack of care and security is extended to our embassies, were non Canadians (often with inadequate English or French) receive and process citizenship cards and passport request and in many cases go so far as to argue and even ignore consular orders that they feel are not in the best interest of their own citizens, neither the French, the British or the U.S. allow non citizens to handle this type of information! So why does Canada? We should find a Canadian company and Canadian citizens to do this work!

island girl
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To Susan R. in BC
So the Bible should be kept out of court proceedings? What was that book people were to give an oath on? By whom do you swear to tell the whole truth? Maybe it's changed now and that's why so many lie in court.


Sam C
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I applaud Stelmach for sticking to his principles. I agree that he is free to "pursue peace and resist and oppose militarism and all forms of war."

However, if he is taking a stand against Lockheed Martin, he needs to further examine other aspects of his life to ensure he is not supporting them in other ways.

LM is a large supplier of IT systems, and various space-based systems such as weather forecasting and global communications.

It may be more difficult to avoid contact with a corporation like LM than he believes.

And really, whether it's LM or IBM, what company doesn't have SOME contact with the military?

Bee
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Seems suspicious to me that Lockheed would be involved in this type of work in the first place.

In any event, I refused to answer some of the census questions due to privacy concerns and they didn't seem to mind.


Derek
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I too felt uncomfortable with Lockheed Martin profiting from the census.

Good on you for standing up.


 

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