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Power Play: Omar Samad, Afghan Ambassador
Canada AM: Sally Armstrong, author of 'Bitter Roots, Tender Shoots,' on the motivations behind the law
Canada AM: Alia Hogben, Canadian Council of Muslim Women, reacts to the new legislation
CTV Newsnet: Michael Wodzicki, Rights and Democracy, reacts to the Afghan rape law

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Date: Thu. Apr. 2 2009 10:51 PM ET

Afghanistan's top diplomat in Ottawa says lawmakers in Kabul are reviewing legislation that critics say legalizes rape within a marriage.

While the legislation has already become law according to some reports, Ambassador Omar Samad told CTV's Power Play Thursday that Afghan legislators are still studying the document.

"The stage we are at right now is determining exactly what the status is of this law, meaning where in the Afghan (and) judicial pipeline it stands," he said.

Human rights groups and some Afghan politicians have said the 263-page legislative document would make it illegal for Shiite women to refuse sex from their husbands.

Some critics have interpreted the legislation as an attempt to secure political support from Afghanistan's minority Shiite population ahead of presidential elections.

The law has caused international outrage, with some human rights groups comparing it to the restrictive policies pursued by the Taliban government between 1996 and 2001.

"I can fully understand the reaction that Canadians have show and some others around the world have shown," said Samad, adding that Afghanistan is a "young, very fragile democracy."

The comments come after Samad met with leaders in Ottawa, who expressed "deep concern" about the new legislation.

However, there was still confusion surrounding the legislation's legal status in the war-torn country.

Afghan Lawmaker Safia Sidiqi said that she couldn't recall if the law was ever debated in the country's parliament.

"It is impossible in a two-month session for parliament to pass a law more than 200 pages long," she said, referring to the 263-page law.

Sidiqi also said that the law should be recalled for debate in parliament for debate.

This week, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon met with Afghan government ministers at The Hague, and Canadian officials discussed the issue with members of President Hamid Karzai's office in Kabul.

According to media reports, the law states that a woman "is bound to preen for her husband as and when he desires."

In another section, the law says that "as long as the husband is not travelling, he has the right to have sexual intercourse with his wife every fourth night."

More specifically, the rule mandates that "unless the wife is ill or has any kind of illness that intercourse could aggravate, the wife is bound to give a positive response to the sexual desires of her husband."

International response

United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said the law represented a step backwards for Afghanistan's women and a "clear indication that the human rights situation in Afghanistan is getting worse, not better.

"For a new law in 2009 to target women in this way is extraordinary, reprehensible and reminiscent of the decrees made by the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in the 1990s," the South African former war crimes judge said in a statement by her office issued in Geneva.

Journalist and activist Sally Armstrong, who has reported extensively on the state of women in Afghanistan, says Karzai is hoping to win the critical swing votes of conservative Shiite men with this law.

"It's a cheap piece of electioneering on the backs of the women and girls of the country, just so he can hang on to power," Armstrong told Canada AM. "This is a man who has spoken about the rights of women ... but he sold them out to get the extremist men vote."

Armstrong points out that even though only a small percentage of Shiite men would welcome the law, all women would be affected.

"They're selling this as just for Shia women, but that's nonsense. The content of Shia law is, it will affect every woman in the country," she said.

Armstrong says if the initial international reaction is any indication, the law will likely collapse.

"The good side of this is the huge outrage around the world. When the Taliban did this, everyone looked the other way -- and everyone knows that silence is akin to consent. This time, people are jumping all over it."

With files from The Associated Press

Comments are now closed for this story

Anne
said

That is what you will never change in those countries dominated by the males who have a fanatical interpretation of their religion. Our efforts will continue to be in vain. That attitude towards woman of that religion is also why I am extremely uncomfortable and upset seeing women covered in burkas in Canada.


S Embree
said

And this is what our soldiers are fighting for?

If this is an example of the kind of freedoms that we can expect from Afghanistan Lawmakers then pull our boys back.


Jim in the West
said

I have strongly supported the war in Afganistan, but if this law truly is the way it is being reported, I will have to change my position:

Either we turn on guns on Karzai's government and replace it with one that ebmbraces the ideals that our soldiers have been fighting for, or we withdraw, leaving them to their own devices.


Canadian
said

Sally Armstrong has no clue at all whatsoever about the situation in Afghanistan. Hamid Karzai does not wish to run for the President, it is the people of Afghanistan that wants him to run again. Because of the corruption and international pressure he is forced to consider other means so that people can come together and work for a better future for Afghanistan.

Karzai never favoured the vote to legalise marital rape and the president of Afghanistan does not have any saying in this law. The parliament chooses that. Karzai cannot change anything in the country.

Miss Sally Armstrong, I suggest you gather information before you point a finger at a person and blaming someone for something that the person has never approved or wishes to approve.

It is the Afghan Parliament that wishes to pass the law, not the Presidential Office of Karzai.

I have watched Karzai say himself on the news in Afghanistan that he is against the New Law on "Marita Rape". People should thank him atleast for keeping Afghans together for the past 8 years or so and not creating any segregations amonth Afghans' different cultural groups.


schpid
said

Even as I think that this is totally unacceptable, I also know that this is not a Political decision. This is what the culture and probably the majority of Afghanis want. Comparisions to the Taleban are well warranted as they reflected, albiet to extremes, the social attitudes and lifestyles of the population. Democracy will, if ever, take generations in this part of the world. If they wish to stay in the stone age then let them. Let them know that the second any extremists start creeping across the border to threaten our way of life, then we (NATO, UN, or coalition) will be back to bomb them out of existence.


hide
said

Men and their religion continually enslave women around the world. This is horrible for Afghani women and girls.

It took us one hundred years to grant some freedom to women.......but we still don't have it....The Pope still dictates that women can't protect themselves with condoms....can't protect themselves against unwanted pregnancys.......

This is a sad day for all the soldiers fighting in Afghanistan .......


Charles
said

If the new law stands, I think that we should withdraw our troops. True - we would be leaving Afgan women in greater danger, but this is such a fundamental question of principle that to compromise is a clear betrayal of our beliefs. There is no pragmatic middle ground here.


BB in AB CA
said

So many countries and so many laws. If there is a country with no significance politically, economically, or militarily, do we notice what they are doing? History has shown us that many countries do what they want, including the "westernized" nations, and if you do not like it then do something about it ie. "invade". Universal human rights has merit in a perfect world but not in this one. He who has the biggest stick wins.


Philip
said

Ever since they have been there, they haven't done much against religious extremism actually as far as I am aware, with those responsible for destroying the thousand year old Buddhas that shocked the world actually elected into the US backed government there. Many people in that country are probably the most frustrated of all, since they were expecting some changes and a more secular society.


hmmmm
said

Was Karzi not endorsed, or worse, by GW Bush to help stabilize the country?


Jimmy B - Perth Ont.
said

While I totally disagree with this archaic regressive law against human dignity and respect I now realize the true intellect of the people of this country. If we are truly trying to effect positive change over there we are going to have to start with changing the overall mindset of the people to that of a civilized nation like ours. Unfortunately I dread that this is almost similar to re-inventing the wheel. It just isn't going to work!!! If we cannot put up to date, forward thinking, rational people at the helm in Afghanistan then let's not waste any more time, money or precious lives in trying to do so. WITHDRAW OUR TROOPS NOW!!


Mike
said

Our troops are not risking their lives so women can be raped by their husbands!

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS.

Pull our troops NOW.

When the government backs this evil ideology it's time to leave as any progress we are likely to make will only be reversed by these people.




Nanook
said

You all sound shocked! Get over it. We can't go into a country, and tell them how to run things. That's being arrogant. It's their country, and only a revolution from within will truly make things better. I don't admire them one bit. They're in for a tough one! One that will make the American revolution a look like a playground tussle.


Eileen25-also in the West
said

This move by Karzai shows just how slow attitudes are changing in Afghanistan. If we leave now, it wouldn't take long to slip back into the extremist's hands.

To "Jim in the West"...I agree we should reexamine our choice of Karzai, but please, please don't say "leave them to their own devices." Surely you must know what that would mean to half the population of Afghanistan and to the amount of terrorism to the rest of the world.




V. Kulesza Bathurst NB
said

I'm a student in high school and I have read many books including the Kite Runner, A Thousand Splendid Suns and I've also watched Sally Armstrong's documentary of Afghani women. THe thought of a law that makes marital rape perfectly okay is frightening. Canadians have a history of being very accepting of other cultures and I agree that this is a good idea. However, when a culture decides to take away the rights of an individual, be it a child, woman or man it is wrong. It's not only against Canadian Law, but a crime against society! We can't change the world, we can't impose our way of life on others, but we can surely stand up for those that can't stand up for themselves.


I support our troops, and we have accomplished some things through the war. But this is the culture, this is what the people are taught from birth. We cannot change an entire religion. This law is a huge step back for women. Maybe it's time for the men and women fighting against this wall that is their religion to come back home.


Mike Szulikowski
said

Really, didn't anyone in our government know this was coming? SHAME. Now I see all THE POLITICOS STAND UP AND CONDEMN SOMETHING AFTER THE FACT. Is this what our soldiers are dying for. I would suggest that these politicos of ours, Canada,Australia France, England, whichever WESTERN Forces there, and the US, get with the program. Either defeat the animals who would subjugate others to a life of subservience-or get out. Pakistan is allowing this outrage also, and remember the Pakistanis have the bomb! Cheap Politics.


A Canadian who has been there!
said

S Embree - This is not what our soldiers are fighting for it is what we are fighting to prevent. Unfortunately, the misinformed seem to think this attrocity is permisseable and sanctioned by the NATO / UN backed coalition forces in Afghanistan....I can assure you this is not the case and I am sure the coming days will see the current Afghan Government backtracking and President Karzai will be forced to reverse his decision. If this does not happen then there are other steps available to the coalition to ensure the rights of women and children are protected in a manner that is recognized and supported by the international community.


Anne
said

Yes, let's talk about what the people want. Did anyone see the footage on TV, where men were using sticks to hit the shrouded women in the street, a few were kicked, like they were herds of pigs. Little boys observe and learn...and it goes on generation after generation.


Unacceptable? Uh huh. It will be accepted.
said

Human rights?

Ha ha ha.

Don't make me laugh.

It's all about oil.

Pipelinestan can do whatever wants with women so long as US gets control of Central Asia energy resources.


Wende, Calgary
said

Our Troops are supposedly fighting and dying for this countries freedom. After a length of time we will find that nothing will change. We need to seriously review our continued presence in this county.


James in St. John's
said

Canada must leave Afganistan.

We sent our soldiers to fight to give people freedom but that very hard won freedom has been taken away by the very people we put in power.

Canada must leave Afganistan.


BrianB
said

To “Canadian”,
If Karzai didn’t favour the law and didn’t just sign it to get the Shia vote and doesn’t ‘want’ to be president of Afghanistan anymore, why didn’t he just refuse to sign it and let parliament ram it through (as you suggested was a possibility)? You are saying the people want him to be president and that is why he is running again, if that is so, why are most news agencies saying the impending election is expected to be close fought?

Oh, and don’t be so sure you are familiar with Karzais’ opinions on rape (say again where you watched him say he is against the new law?); this is the man who pardoned three men CONVICTED for a brutal gang rape last fall. Maybe someone else needs to do some research before pointing fingers…



Jason on the east coast
said

I'm going to make A LOT of people mad with this one but it has to be said: Religion (and I mean ALL religions) have been the bane of humanity for centuries, it is now and has always been nothing more than an engine for a small select minority to control the majority and a means to persecute anyone who's ideas differ from the norm.
And yes, if god is real, I know I'm going straight to hell, but if that's the price I have pay in order to think for myself, then I pay it gladly as the saying goes.



Chris
said

Things will never change there, when we leave, they will go back the old ways, that's the history of the country, PULL OUR TROOPS NOW!


doctor Doo Little
said

In the beginning God created Adam and Eve and they were equal in the sight of God. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Today, in some parts of the world women are still declared as possession of men, second or even third class citizen. When I was in Ethiopia, women are not as valuable as a donkey; this has truly sadden God's heart as well as ours.

Perhaps some of the readers do not believe in God nor the Bible but if we ask HIM to show us Who HE is, HE will and the issues between man and woman can be resolved under the loving guidance of God Who created us.


Canadian
said

and you have the nerve to be surprised?

This is NOT a civilized place.


Opimist
said

We have young Canadians and other nationals putting their lives on the line daily to help shape democracy in this hinterland of opium. The chasm that exists in terms of cultural and religious preferences is incomprehensible to us westerners. So tell me how can we expect our on the ground foot soldiers to be successful!!, when this great divide exists. History clearly shows us that we cannot win as an occupying force, ask the Russians. So lets execute the exit clause in our contract and extract our boys and girls from this mess.


Doug BC
said

Both NATO and the UN walk a fine line here.One one hand if they let Karzai,or their parliament invoke laws like this,western nations will be accused of failing the mission by the fact that basic human rights will not be for ALL the people in Afghanistan.
On the other hand,if NATO puts it's foor down and says absolutely "NO",they will be accussed of "imposing" their values on the people and the government of Afghanistan.
Frankly,this does look like cheap politics,but at the same time,given the history of that part of the world,this obstacle should be no surprise.As I've said before,this kind of change takes quite some time.Even after rights are granted and laws are passed,it takes education,and a generation for average people to live with,and stand up for those new found,individual liberties.
Yes.This law MUST not be allowed to stand.But now is NOT the time to abandon these people.We must keep our faith,and continue to educate as many of the people of Afghanistan as we possibly can.Elections are only a real exercise in democracy if the majority of people take part willingly and freely,are offered real choices,and are educated enough to understand WHAT they are voting for.Not always the same as WHO they are voting for.
Women in Afghanistan have complained that,after the Russians were forced to give up their effort their,the rest of the world abandoned them to the Taliban.I think it would be a mistake for the west to abandon them until we can be certain the "people" have made a free and informed choice with several real options.


Sherry
said

Canadian - you may believe everything Karzai says - and that is your right BUT this law is not acceptable, I stand with the troops all the way but if this law is part of Afghanistan, then I do not want them dying for this. I'm sure most of the soldiers would not want to fight for this as well. To accept this law just to get votes of the extremists goes against everything we went over for.


Paul Garnett
said

We are helping to institutionalize what we went into Afganistan to prevent. Mr. Harper, please bring my boy home. He's not dying for this. Any more deaths are on your shoulders.


Canada sent troops there because US said jump
said

not for any humanitarian reasons or for freedom or any of the other cover stories.


Cambob
said

Who are we to dictate how a foreign government implements its laws?

The stated goal of the NATO mission in Afghanistan is to route Al~ Queda from its camps and to remove Taliban support of Al~Queda. It is NOT the mission to impose western morality on the elected Afghan government.

I think many of thier laws are vile and disgusting. Unfortunately, the only way to force change is to kill many more Afghans and impose our own form of government there. So if you are demanding a set of rules we are comfortable with, consider the price of your demands.


Syed
said

I am a Shia living in Canada and I have to point out that the suggestion that this law is for Shia people is totally false. Shia teachings include total respect to women and our Imams constantly teach us to show to our mothers, our wives and our daughters the utmost respect. This respect is also to be extended to other women outside our family units. This story is not based on fact. I urge people not to jump to conclusions when they read this sort of rubbish.


Lost Cause
said

DougBC said "Women in Afghanistan have complained that,after the Russians were forced to give up their effort their,the rest of the world abandoned them to the Taliban.I think it would be a mistake for the west to abandon them until we can be certain the "people" have made a free and informed choice with several real options."

Doug, you chould google "RAWA Miriam" and read the interview there with an Afghan woman.

Nathalie of Ontario
said

One step forward, 10 steps back. These fools are so afraid of women, they keep them under their thumb with barbaric laws. God or Allah forbid if a woman is smarter than they are. The women of the world should unite and scream when something like this comes up.


Will this be excuse for US to depose Karzai
said

and impose replacement puppet?


Momofasoldier
said

I am wondering why the Afghan women don't start standing up for themselves. Even though I want to I can't say bring the troops home until it is easier for these same woman to stand up and fight for themselves.


Raven
said

Our troops are there to fight terrorism. The barbarians who practice or condone these types of laws are nothing but terrorists themselves. Therefore we have every right to "impose" our Western ways on them. They are no better than the Taliban, therefore we should be treating them like the Taliban. It is our duty as an educated, civilized society to fight for the rights of those who cannot stand up for themselves! Imagine you were a Afghan woman and the man you live with and see every day was allowed to violate you in the absolute worst way possible whenever he wanted, and there was nothing you could do to stop him. Wouldn't you want those with the power to interfere to help you? I would think so. Even if you were brainwashed from birth to believe you were nothing, you still would hate being treated this way. No woman anywhere should have to endure such abuse. Our troops are fighting and dying for this country, so it's citizens need to get it through their uneducated heads that we will NOT tolerate this violation of human rights.


Robert from Victoria
said

Lets get the facts first..then print the news. Creating news by supposition, or stirring the pot to make a one party appear in a negative is counter productive. It is inflammatory at the least.


orange
said

Of course this is a terrible law by our standards, but at least Karzai is following the traditions of his religion.

Once they taste power, politicians are often willing to do things far worse, in the sense that the things they are willing to do, are far from their own belief systems.

The best, or worst, example of that, on the world stage, today, is our prime minister. If you read the Reform platform, that he was involved in writing... even the orginal Conservative platform, you will see how far he has gone in his desperate quest to cling to power.


Allan Eizinas
said

Hey folks get with the program. The goal to-day is to set up a Afghan military that can keep Al Qaeda out of the area and then get out.

The women, children, hearts and minds and school thing was a daydream and is now history. The Americans are now taking over and we will do what they tell us to do.

The Afghan culture is what is was, is and will continue to be.

Do not believe everything that your government tells you.



GG
said

This entire issue should bring to light our 'purpose' in being in Afghanistan , in the first place. Are we there to root out potential terror threats and find Bin Laden and Al Qaeda ? or are we there to liberate and democratize this sovereign nation ? The issues of religion and culture are for the people of those countries to determine for themselves..and this is the heart of why the east and middle east vilify the west..we go over there and try to'change' them..westernize them..the reality is their religions and cultures are deep and long and this is none of our business. That being said what about basic human rights ? This is the challenge we need to meet, given these are sovereign nations with distinct cultures and religions we know little about. We are looking at them through our own way of living. It is very different. It is the role of the UN and other institutions that can bring' wanted'and'needed'change and reform through education and assistance in development. The second we'impose'our ways of life onto another sovereign nation we are going down a very slippery slope and why groups such as Al Qaeda spring up..to resist this type of cleansing imposition.This particular issue has conflicts deeply rooted in religion and thus the seperation of church and state which transcends our western secular world does not always exist in other regions of the world. It wasnt that long ago women in our so called civilized society were not recognized as people, could not vote, could not hold office, or were subject to our laws around marital rape. Changes take time..the key is to see progress. And the key to progress is to promote education in a non confrontational way.


Liberty
said

Afghan women should be taught the song "Can't Hold Us Down" by Christian Aguilera and Lil' Kim. The lyrics should be translated into their language, and they should say it to every sexist idiot they meet! "This is for my girls all around the world, who've come across a man who don't respect your worth. Thinking all women should be seen not heard, so what do we do girls? Shout louder! Letting them know we're gonna stand our ground. Lift your hands high and wave them proud. Take a deep breath and say it loud: NEVER CAN, NEVER WILL, CAN'T HOLD US DOWN!"


Dan from Northern Ont
said

We're not there to westernize. We're there to make sure they don't setup terrorist camps again.


Sylvie from Canada
said

If this is the kind of situation we'll encounter, then I suggest the following: stop trying to save those who don't want to be saved!
set a timetable where over the next 6 months we will facilitate the exit of any refugee women and children, then we pack up and leave.

I agree that we shouldn't impose our own values on others, fine, then let those who are oppressed decide if they really want to stay, then let them lie in the bed they made.


Laura Langstaff
said

I still say Canada's record is as tainted, and yes, I believe what has happened systematically to Aboriginal women is as brutal, and those who think the abuse is in the past are clearly ignorant of fact. The abuses toward Aboriginal women and persons with disabilities in residential programs operated by the Catholic Church are still ocurring and there are still lawsuits active in Alberta against such parties. Alberta Believer needs to check the court dockets of suits currently active in Alberta.Abuses against women and persons with disabilities who are Aboriginal are alive, well and thriving today! No matter who is embarassed by fact. To attempt to embarass or supress truth is just another form of the historic abuse! To try to isolate my words, and try to make me feel as if my own people are embarassed by my words is just another manipulative attempt to silence the truth. Spoken like a true, non-Aboriginal bible belt Alberta redneck conservative.At least I don't hide shamefully behind a pseudonym.That says it all!


Mike
said

This is sick. They have wives who are as young as 13 sometimes. We will never be able to change their way of thinking, it's part of their religion. This is exactly why our military should have left a long time ago. We can give them money, weapons, train them but ultimately they are going to do something stupid and we will be forced to invade them again. The same thing happened with Saddam.


Edb (Hamilton)
said

So what's the difference between the Afghan version of shia law and the version that some Muslims are pushing in Ontario.
The group-huggers who are in favour of being so "inclusive" should maybe ask some women who have been subjugated to this ridicules philosophy how it worked out for them.
All I can say is there's something horribly wrong with any culture where the men are so petrified by the women that idiotic "laws" are passed in the name of religion to keep them chained.


Johnny Canuck
said

Hey Jim in the West,

I find this law as repugnant as anyone, but turning our guns on the Karzai government is absolutely NOT the way to address this. It might be Harper's way, but it's not the Canadian way of promoting democracy.


Carolina from Oak Ridges
said

I don't believe for a minute that the Koran condones marital rape, or is against the education of women. That is a totally cultural thing but is still wrong. Misogyny is and always will be wrong.
To suggest that the women stand up and fight is misguided - woman get acid thrown on them for looking in the wrong direction, or get burned from a "kitchen fire". What will happen to them if we turn our backs? There will be no hope at all.
I just so proud to be from a culture where the men and women got the right to vote on the same day. Equal rights for every man, woman and child!


MRC in Ontario
said

Pull out our boys and listen to "schpid" above.

The whole world better stop meddling with each other. It took all of us thousands to hundreds of thousands of years to naturally evolve & civilize (to some specific degree & culture) independently. Now, in the name of "Globalization" & "Multiculturalism", we integrate too much too quickly and meddle in each other's affairs because of convenience & greed...and it will destroy everything that we were, everything that we are, and everything we'll now never be.

Why can't I buy shoes or a television designed & manufactured in my own country? Why? WHY?!...


Lesley-Ann
said

This is disgusting...beyond beleif, women and Children suffer enough

PULL OUR TROOPS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW if we stay there we are supporting Legalized Rape, what next.

Is there no more decency in this world its 2009 for christ sake. Get uot because this will never change, not in our life time. I feel for these women.


Too PC
said

Yes, the soldiers are fighting for our freedoms. However, while they are over-seas trying to fight for our rights, the Canadian government is letting folk like these into our country which are trying to change our laws or our way of life.

Look to the Ontario provincial government who tried to pass Sharia law in Ontario. It was not passed, however as we invite the wrong people into our country they will enter the political stream and will change our laws.

No longer are we able to celebrate Christmas in public or at work and refer to the "Christmas" tree as a "Green" tree.

Therefore, the wave of change is here. Women need to get together and stand up against this change. Women need to get into the political system and resist this change.


Les in Alberta
said

Time for Canada to leave this country in regards to our military duties...this just proves the loss of our military lives has been in vain.






KL
said

I would stay single if I was an Afghan woman. Who would want to be married to a rapist?


Howard in Brampton
said

Imposing universal rights which should be applicable to any woman wherever she lives, in my view, would require eradication of any religious, social, or tribal cultural elements that are contrary to the establishment and maintenance of those rights. It seems to me that Canada's outrage of Afghanistan's new law flies in the face of Canada's official position of accommodating different cultures at home. In short, you shouldn't ask to have it both ways.


dan
said

Last weekend our comunity and thousands of mourners along the highway 11 in northern ontario saw the car with the remains of fallen Tpr Jack Bouthillier head home to Hearst ontario.It was truly sad.
I ask you, is the new law proposed in Afghanistan that would legaly allow men to rape thair wives what our brave soldiers have been fighting for?
Im am truly disgusted and outraged at this.If the situation does not change emediately the we sould pull out of that caveman country PERIOD.


Jim
said

I support Canada and the NATO mission in Afganistan. I do not support this type of legislation.

There is a fine line that covers what countries can tell other countries to do inside of their borders. This crosses the line.

This legislation is nothing short of torture and human rights abuse.

If this is what we are fighting for, pull the troups out.


Carolina from Oak Ridges
said

It's telling that posters add more comments about their money than about the rights of women.


Kevin in Vancouver
said

The males in the Muslim faith are desparate to hang on to their power over women. Think about it if women are equal in a society a man has to find ways to be attractive to them. He then has to partner with her for the rest of their union. Under these backward cultures a man gets a wife and then controlls her. Life made easy! The scariest part of this whole thing is that if we are not carefull we may very well end up with a muslim majority in parts of our country. As they have shown in many places that will lead to demands for autonomy and imposition of their religious laws.
We need to get a handle on our population before your grand children are wearing Burkas!!!


Dave
said

Hey Syed,

Its good to see someone comment on here who actually makes sense.


Pedro
said

A land that neither the Brits nor the Russians could manage. You know it's time to pack your bags when you end up fighting for an inept and corrupt leadership that neither respects or honours the dignity of its own people. Afghanistan's politicians are an embarassment to to themselves and their people. Send them Jack Layton.


going on second deployment there
said

to everyone, our soldiers are there to kill the taliban and anyone who supports them, that is all, now you can see why his country is so messed up, they are given a chance for freedom, and their leaders do this, another good example of why our soldiers are there, to stop that filth from coming here


RRO
said

Canada and the United States need to through there support behind a different President. Karzi has done some good things for Afganistan, but this move reeks of desperation.

This is not the kind of man Afganistan needs right now. Frankly, it may be wise to support a strong female leader at this point. Some will argue Afganistan is not ready, but I find when people are hesitant about something it is best to through them in and let them adjust.


MuskyBuck
said

Stoning women to death in Iran, attacking women in Pakistan and India with acid thrown in the face.

Owning women like possessions in all arab countries, I find myself fighting feelings of intolerance and hatred.

And as an intelligent, tolerant, patient man I'm at odds with my feelings.

I hate what these quasi-political/religous groups stand for, what they breed within their community.

I hate them even more for making me think the dark feelings of intolerance I have when I consider their place in our world today.


Meagan - London ON
said

Unacceptable? Uh huh. It will be accepted: "It's all about oil. Pipelinestan can do whatever wants with women so long as US gets control of Central Asia energy resources."

Afghanistan has oil?! You must know something the rest of us don't!

I find this new law as despicable as everyone else, but your left wing anti-US conspiracy theory accusations just makes you look foolish.


Michel (ottawa)
said

Anyone who honestly believes that when we actually pull out, if that ever happens, that this country will remain the way we are trying to get it to be, should stop smoking or drinking whatever it is you're smoking or drinking.
The minute we leave, Afghanistan will go back to its prehistoric ways and barbaric laws.
I have supported our troops and the work they've been doing all along, now hearing this, I am now one of the voices saying: bring our troops home, now.


gee
said

Too much selective outrage. What about other countries and their repression of ovary bearing human entities.

Go talk to any multiculturalist. A healthy dose of moral relativism will do you good.



Lorne
said

Democracy is not attainable in countries that have a different type of culture than we are used to.
We don't need a reason such as the law that was passed, to pull our troops.
They shouldn't be there in the first place.
Why are we trying to impose democracy on another country?
We are the invaders - the country does not belong to us.
History shows that nothing will change - the mentality will always be the same.
We are fighting a losing cause.


James Litwin
said

Pull the troops out and all financial aid. I do not want to see another dollar of our Tax money going to this oppressive government.

These people have been given a change for democracy and they have turned their backs to us and what we offer. It is clear they support a government based on religious laws. This makes them a theocracy and and not a democracy.

It is time for the Western world to realize that this is how these people want to live, lets stop expecting them to conform to our expectation. We need to focus on our own country and the continual development of our community, science and education.

By being a leader in Human Rights others will want to follow.


Ontario
said

It is not for us to impose our ideals on them.

Just like all before them they need to earn their freedom otherwise it has no meaning.

Sure, if they legitimately threaten us then we can wag our sword at them but otherwise who are we to dictate terms to them?


Harvey, Vernon BC
said

One should read the book "Infidel" written by Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
It will give anyone an insight into the world of the extremists and how the Quran is interpreted so that man can do what they what they want with women.
This is just another revelation coming to light of how it has always been practiced in those countries.


Jesse 2
said

Why do we think we have the right to interfere in other countries.. No, of course as a woman I do not for one minute condone the treatment of women.. But, this is a country that follows the Islamic Religion.. There are many countries where women are abused.. We need to remove our own men and WOMEN troops from this country as they are dying for the relgious beliefs of a country that is not about to change just because we say they should..


Rick
said

This is a terrible dilemma. I assume many women in Afghanistan took advantage of expanded freedoms because western troops were in the country. If those troops leave now, the women that trusted us to protect this freedom will be betrayed. Worse yet, I fear there may be retaliation against them.


Sean
said

What the hell is Canada doing in Afghanistan? This new law represents the values that Canadians are dying to fight against.

If no side exists that shares Canada's value system, then there is no point in us being over there.

The law must change, or Canada should pull our troops out of the country.


divinebovine
said

Here in Canada a husband could not be charged with the rape of his wife, even if they were legally separated, until the early 1980's. We have progressed since then, and we may have to wait for Afghanistan to as well.


Dave in downtown Newington
said

Seems strange to me that all this outrage about women and children's rights that has suddenly come to a head in Afghanistan is carried out openly and to a far greater degree in Saudi Arabia,Iran,Iraq and most other middle east countries with nary a whimper from western governments or their populance.....

Anyone not knowing might even (gasp!)start thinking these countries were beyond any kind of chastisment from us as they have some kind of natural resource we depend on.

Naaah!that's just not possible......is it ?




Danno
said

I'm shocked by this action of the Afghan Parliament add my voice to those who demand it not becaome law. I am however even more shocked I have not seen anything reported on CNN's Web-Page! Is it more important to CNN that Mrs. Obama put her arms around our Queen than report this outragious actions agains human rights?


Lee in Calgary
said

I'm torn on this subject as someone who has been in Afghanistan for two years and who has been a zealous supporter of the NATO effort and the effort to enable the Afghan parliment to take responsibility for their country. I was there for both the Presidencial and Parlimentary elections and have talked with hundreds of Afghan's who want peace and stability and a chance to work and feed their families.

Why am I torn because I find this law (if it's being fully represented by the press) repugnent but I also wonder if we need to accept the will of their parliment to govern as they see fit.

I guess my take on this will be, if this law is brought in and supported by elected officials they it will be time for us to say congratulations you're now ready to govern and since you've choosen to govern by Sharia law we'll leave you to it as we disagree with it's implementation.

It's hard to teach them about democracy and then demand that they do what we tell them when they inact laws democratically but we also must maintain our values and say clearly, you have every right to do this but we won't support you in anyway if you do and that's our democratic right.


Hannah
said

It would seem to me that if the president, Hamid Karzai, did this just for votes, he should reverse the law, and also give women the right to vote! He'd be a shoe-in!!


Jay
said

just another slap in the face to our soldiers by an ungrateful foreign government.


Aron in TO
said

So we removed the Taliban from Afganistan & now they are in Pakistan. We cant destroy them in Pakistan cuz we would need to invade Pakistan. So we try to pacify and work with moderate elements of this group.
And this is the result: public stoning of people; public whipping of people; and soon they will feature Public beheading of people.
This is a disgrace. How can you win a war or even install peace when our troops hands are tied.
We need to get in there with at least 50K more troops to take control of that mess and crush any & all opposition.


Sandyo0
said

It would be more benefitial to remove all the women and children from Afghanistan and let the men fight it out to the end. Bring our troops home and use all the money to give the innocent a decent life. What a waste of our brave men and women for a cause that the Afghanis don't seem to care about. It has been their way of life for years. Nothing will ever change, no matter what we do or how hard we work and no matter how many lives are lost. God save them all.


joecommoner
said

Insecure, unattractive males require this law to keep their partners by their side. If they were not out somewhere wondering to who to blow up and murder next, sell dope to... maybe they would not have to come home and rape their wife to get a little action. They should look in a mirror and wonder who in the hell would want to go to bed with them anyway.


Reflecting
said

Canada has only had a law banning a husband from raping his wife for about 30 years. The Afghans were in the dark ages and caves up until a few years ago. They need to adapt as well. I by no means endorse this law, but Canadians have to realize that other countries are decades behind in "social evolution".


Tmac
said

Why would anyone expect Afghanistan to live up to our Western expectations? It's time for the western world to get their head out of the sand when it comes to this country and understand that we can not and will not change their culture. Let's get our troops and aid workers out of there, build a big wall around the country and then leave them alone.


Doug in Alberta
said

It is very interesting that the leader of the NDP, Taliban jack wanted Canada and Nato to negociate with the taliban, have this truce with them. Jack wanted to stop the fighting but you see folks, it has happened. The afghan president had to concede to a group of people to stabalize the country, just like jack wanted. Well you got it, and see what happens. You just can not walk into an arab country who have been living like cavemen, and all of a sudden expect them to be like us, our rules. ya right. If the politicians would have stayed out of this war, let the army go in, set the rules, women would not be forced into rape. As it stands, no way the afghan gov. is going to out law laws that been on that land since time. People like Jack Layton should be happy now that his flowers did reach out to the taliban.


Lorne
said

@Dave in downtown Newington.
You are absolutely correct. These types of actions are going on in most Middle East countries and to a greater degree.
Yet, nobody has commented on this earlier.
There has been no outrage by the public on those situations.
This is a fact of life in these countries and goes according to the culture.
Western democracy can do nothing about it and will do nothing about it.
Why??? Oil !!!!!!!!!!!!! talks.


STB
said

I share the same outrage that many Canadians have about this proposed law. However, we have men living in Canada who have sordid histories of having multiple wives, suspected of having multiple underage wives and who encourage other men to take young women as brides. Why don't we as Canadians share the same disgust for these morally (illegal??) distasteful actions of those living within our borders and demand action a little closer to home???


Mary
said

It's too bad that all of those women don't have the means to just pack up and leave the country, like that show 'The Day the Women Left.'
That'd learn 'em. Lol.


WTF!
said

Well, isn't this typical. Use democracy to institute un-democratic laws. This seems to be the way of certain religions and or political groups. Take our troops out. Canadians need not fight and die to defend men who try to twist laws into conrupt, abusive, religious garbage. God help the women, children and men(non-compliant) who live in Afghanistan. Clearly the Taliban is still in persuaion and Afghan leaders are listening. Want our money and troops? Then no abusive religious laws. Protect all rights,you cannot waiver on a issue as obvious as this. No one human being should be made to live like a slave with no rights - not even over their own body. It breaks my heart!!!!


Teacher
said

Momofasoldier..you ask why the women of Afghanistan don't stick up for themselves. The reason why is that they have been taught their lives are of very little value. They are also beaten if they speak up. It also doesn't matter if the women of the world speak up. These men in Afghanistan do not value our voices because we are women and we are western. The only way to change this culture is to give women their respect back. We can only do this by staying in Afghanistan to protect the children while they grow up as a generation of educated Afghans. This will take many years.


KMC (Markham, ON)
said

This kind of treatment of women is, among other barbaric behaviour, part of Sharia Law.

There are groups, in Canada, mostly in Ontario, who are now pressing for Sharia Law. They'll likely continue to do so.

In the U.K., recently, the Arch Bishop of Canterbury declared that the U.K. might as well adopt Sharia Law now, because they're going to get it eventually.

He was referring to the enormous numbers of Muslims, moving, legally or illegally, into western Europe, forming a large voting bloc. (six million in France alone).

The same goes for Canada.

Casual observation of the racial make-up of the kindergartens, grade schools and high schools, in Canada,
make it inevitable that, with about 25 years, Canada will be an Asian country.

So, you might as well get used to it. This is Canada's future, thanks to P.E. Trudeau's immigration "reform", although, to give him his due, even Trudeau recognized that he had made a mistake.








Laurie
said

Our soldiers and their families gave up the most precious thing, LIFE, for Karsai???

Maybe the Afghan men would like us to leave now except what about the female population?? Now that these so-called "men" have had us kick out their competition, they want to take control in the very same fashion as those they cried to the world about.


Gloria
said

So, Afghani men don't inspire or earn sexual cooperation from their women, so they try to legislate it? That sure doesn't say much for Afghani men. How about that law that forbids their women from going to the doctor without the man's permission? 'No, woman, I think you are not good enough, so you must sit and watch that tumour grow and think about how you should treat me.' They are probably trying to control abortions as well. If Karzai signed this, he's trying for his own re-election, and not trying for the basic rights of the Afghani women.


George
said

Pretty much one sided views on this subject... rather rare on this forum to have such consistency in opinion... but then who would really have the balls to argue in favour of this law... they would be mocked forever!


Ron in the West
said

This is religion????? These are basket-case countries for exactly this reason, and nothing our troops do will change things. Fight terrorists, yes, but let's not try to fool anyone into thinking we will change the culture of any country in the middle east!!!


a soldiers mom
said

support out troops
thats my motto no matter what and I think that now more than ever they need the support of thier fellow Canadians because I am sure that this kind of news is very discouraging to them. Soldiers take heart in whatever happens and continue doing the fantastic job that you all have done so far. You know what they say 2 steps ahead and 1 step back.


tc
said

they may make an amendment to shut us up but they wont enforce it.


S. Baldock
said

Canadian...even if Your minister of Afghanistan doesn't want to be relelected he has to set an example of whom ever is taking his place. This is a weak and lame excuse for anyone to use in order to not be relected.
Also the Shia law has some other provisions in it that would allow the husband to enlist his family to rape, stone or punish women. I don't trust this law or the law makers. This whole Shia law is an oppressive action towards all women regardless and our troops should be withdrawn. Their heads should be held high and be very proud of what hey have accomplished. As far as this government, its one thing to be diplomatic, its another thing to just make idle threats and state expectations. There needs to be consquences for thoughts and actions that are demeaning for women and an insult to our hard working troops.


AL
said

And our brave Canadian soliers are dying for this??
Until yesterday, I supported them being in Afganistan, feeling they were making a difference. NOT anymore -- bring them home and fast.

Obviously this country has no intentions of making life better for their people.

May every Afgani man become a woman tomorrow & live under this law until the end of time!!


Dave in Cornwall
said

A simple solution to this problem would be to send the Mighty Midget ("Taliban" Jack Layton) with all his expertise over there to get all this sorted out for us!

Mebbe he could form some kind of coalition?

But in order to really enhance his experience,lets dress him up as a woman before he goes !


Interesting read with an actual reference for once
said

I wonder if any of the posts on here were by people who balked at lefties for not being ra ra ra about the war in Afghanistan . This is exactly why. Educated people know that you cant force change in a country unless theres a revolution from within or a general consenus to change. Acoording to my 2004 rand mc nally encyclopedia of geography theres 31 056 997 people living there and the population living in the biggest cities combined is is less than 5 million. Where do u think most of them are. In the mountains thats where they are and if they turn on us we would never win with out pitiful army. And theres miles of tunnels why do u think the mission hasnt really progressed far. whens the last time anyone heard of Canadian troops actually conquering something. think about that. theres no way our pituful army can win. anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly a war monger or brainwashed.


Concerned Canadian
said

Wow! I'm really impressed by the quality of today's posts on this subject. Lots of good, thoughtful opinions from so many people.

Personally, I think our reaction is ultimately based on the fact that we don't as Canadians, have any really clear idea about why we're in Afghanistan, so this law regarding rape is a bit of revelation to those who believed, naively, that we we're there only to do good.

The fact is that our motives have been suspect from the beginning. We began as peacekeepers, in our traditional role. But then the Conservatives turned us into warriors, with the moral ambiguity that goes along with that situation.

If we are there to help, then we ought not to be killing civilians carelessly, as we may have done a month ago with our artillery. If we are there to help, then we ought not be to making it easier for American companies to build a pipeline. Or to relieve the pressure of their absurd war in Iraq.

And if we are there to help, then what do we do when the government we support passes laws that contradict our Canadian values?

If we are willing to face the truth, it is that many people support the war unthinkingly, and now they've had a wake-up call. Some will continue with the "My country right or wrong, support our troops" mindset. But that's getting increasingly difficult to maintain in the face of the realities on the ground. Mr. Harper needs to respond to this in a rational manner, not just tell us once again the fairy-tale of how Canadians are doing good.

Why should young Canadian men and women die to protect Taliban values and culture?


KC
said

Support the troops?

Ummmm...not when they are protecting the "right" to rape women.


Athena
said

SandyO has my thoughts, because I was thinking already, that we should get out the women who want to get out of Afghanistan, give them a safe passage to the West, Canada, USA, wherever they think they would be happy, and leave the men over there, selling their dope, let them fight, as much as they want. Most of all, get our soldiers out of that stinken country.


alainmci
said

and this is what our boys are dying for


Not Afghanistan oil; Caspian oil through Afghan
said

Afghanistan could be more important to America's oil supply than even Saudi Arabia. In 1997 BBC News reported that the American Oil company UNOCAL tried to construct a pipeline from The Caspian Sea.

The Caspian Sea is a California-size body of salt water -- the world's largest landlocked body of water -- that may sit on as much as 200 billion barrels of oil, which would be 16 percent of the Earth's potential oil reserves. Even at today's low prices, that could add up to $3 trillion in oil. (compared to Saudi's 250 billion barrels of oil and America's own 22 billion barrels - New York Times.)

The pipeline was to run from Turkmenistan via Afghanistan to the Port of Karachi. However the Taleban refused. Until now America has not been successful in persuading the Taleban to change its mind.

It now seems as though America is using the pretext of WTC attacks in order to fulfill its economic aims


R Clark
said

I am also a supporter of the Afghan war. It is their country and if they want that law then lets just get our soldiers out this month and see what their government will do.
It will probably take 2 days to change their law.


Rick in SK
said

If you think the withdrawal of this law will make any difference to the state of women's rights in Afghanistan then you are dreaming in technicolour.

Our troops aren't there to protect women's rights as much as we are there to slap around the people who gave support to Bin Laden and his cronies.


Joel
said

It pains me to see comments from people asking to pull our troops out of Afghanistan, because for some reason they think that our troops are fighting for the Afghan government to pass laws such as this one??

Our troops are in Afghanistan fighting for the freedom and the equality of all of the people there. This type of law is typical of how Afghanistan used to be, and we can change Afghanistan, but it will not happen over night. I'm sure if you asked any soldier who is in Afganistan, or has spent time in Afghanistan, they would not support this law, and they would tell you that Canada needs to stay in Afghanistan to make it a better place.

How is pulling our troops from Afghanistan going to help aid the cause for better human rights there. I support the UN Charter of rights, and I can only hope that a continued presence in Afghanistan will eventually make a difference there. But I am pretty sure if Canada and the rest of NATO were to leave Afghanistan, the country would fall back into the hands of the Taliban and things would get much worse than they are now (in terms of Human Rights).




Jenine
said

No man has a right to a woman's body. Write, e-mail, phone, blog your MP, Facebook friends and get them to change this law. Every single woman around the world deserves that protection. Canadian soldiers aren't dying so Afghani women can be raped by their husbands. Tell that to your MP and Prime Minister!

WOMEN'S RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS!


Canadian troops are in Afghanistan
said

to serve the US imperial interests.

It's war for control of resources.

Not for women, not for children, not for schools, not for humanitarian blah blah blah.

It's war to grab control of resources.

So stop your whining about all the cover story nonsense.




Concerned Canadian
said

Joel- what a well-written, rational comment! I don't support the war, but your comment really made me think.

I support your values- the problem is that when I read comment like "not Afghanistan Oil..." I realize that the Canadian government is playing on my idealism. Can we militarily intervene in every country in the world where human rights are an issue? I don't think we can.

So the problem is, what do we, as Canadians who care about the moral implications of what we are doing, decide to do in a case like this? If we were making real progress in Afghanistan, then perhaps the lives of our fellow Canadians are worth the sacrifice.

But how do we rationalize supporting a government that violates our most basic values? And how do we feel about the economic implications of the Afghan war? If the real reason we're there is economic, and if we are not making any progress on the human rights side, then what is the reason to be there? Please answer!


Margaret
said

Until the mid-1970's it was impossible for a Canadian man to rape his wife, since it was a marital right. Things change, sometimes really quickly and then we can't imagine that they were ever any different.


Dixie from Alberta
said

This isn't the only society in the world where women are treated like dirt...it just happens to be the one at the moment where Canadians are dying to protect. Shame on the Afghan government. Unfortunately if the women speak up it may be there last words. I'm not expecting western type democracy or values from these people, just treat women like human being...afterall they are the ones that bare your children. If we leave this country now...it will only get worse, but we do have to take a firm hand with the government and make sure this law doesn't stand.


Paul in Brant
said

wow folks...give it a rest!

It is obvious that the Canadian, British, and American governments will be working all Diplomacy channels to get this ironed out. Bottom line is this... Muslim countries have a completely different worldview than Western Civilization. We will work together to have all people within this country fall under some scope of fair treatment, but it will take a bit of time and strong-arming.
It will get done though


Jenn
said

OMG - Aren't we a bunch of righteous people. It was about 100 years ago, we DID THE SAME DAMN things. Do I agree with the law, no I don't. Do I agree that our troops are over there, yes and no. People want us over there to stop all of this, but then, when they come to our countries, we change our laws to accommodate them. Give me a break. What a bunch of hypocrites. Seriously. We were no better, and it took TIME to change our laws to get equal rights. TIME - It wasn't something that happened over night. And we are still fighting for it. We cry out Equal rights - and then don't expect ANYONE to be held responsible for their actions. We are so worried about upsetting others and being politically correct that we tend to follow the loudest idiot and form our opinions on them. Before jumping the gun and believing EVERYTHING you read and EVERYTHING the media reports, take the time to research and form your own educated opinions. Have you not realized by now, that the loudest, ignorant, arrogant ones control the media and have them report what they want them too, not necessarily all the facts or any of them. How many times have there been "breaking news" and there is nothing that they are reporting. They keep you watching with might haves and maybes.
Instead of focusing on saving every other country, we should focus on what's going on at home. Parent's abusing their children, our irradical justice system, and unemployment rates. And start making people accountable for the BS they do, whether it’s killing someone, fraud, or asking for a bail out because their CEO’s are greedy



john
said

This is truly upsetting, but I think the other restrictions on women in the law are equally bad; restrictions on travel. This really should not shock people. In Saudi Arabia, women are routinely imprisoned and beaten for even the most mundane contacts with male non relations. ( ie the case of the elderly former female teacher meeting grown male former students) In much of the muslim world, including Afghanistan, Muslims slaughter anyone who dares to convert to another religion. Even in British Commonwealth nations like Malaysia is a CRIME to convert to Christianity or Buddhism.


James
said

Rape in Afghanistan should not be tolerated. That is one of the reasons we are over there is to show the Afghans a better way of life including moving towards equal rights between men and women if that is possible in Afghanistan.

I don't think we should be hyper sensitive about this issue because it is their country.


James
said

Trying to pass a law to cater to extremist voters. Electioneering at the expense of what is just and good.

Kind of like right leaning parties who introduce crime bills that don't solve the problem but puts more people in jail to cater to the"crime and punishment" crowd?

Kind of like right leaning legisltion attempts at banning abortion or teaching about safe sex in an effort to cater to the extreme right wing evangelicals?

Seems like democracy has indeed taken shape in Afghanistan. Nice work America. And other global enablers.


Ken Duff
said

I have requested my Member of Parliament to demand in the strongest possible terms that Canada withdraw all troops and financial support of the Afghan government until such time as it lives up to international human rights protection specifically as it applies to women. We cannot support with our money or our soldiers lives this heinous action.


Montreal
said

I am strongly supporting war in afghanistan against Taliban.


Karzai is not suppose to candite himself again, because the situation in afghanistan has gotten worst instead of getting better since 2001.
80% members of parliament are warlords criminals in afghanistan, they do not represent afghan people, because they were not elected by people.
These MP kicked out Malalai Joya from the parliament, because she was speaking out against the crimes that happened in afghanistan by them.
All Afghans knows their crime very well. Until the warlords are in power, there will not be any change in Afghanistan's security or law, as we see now.
This law does Not represent afghan's culture. This represent the law of criminal in the parliament.

Today, afghan women are not able to fight for their rights, because most of them are not educated, and there is no government to support them. The criminals control the government
I deeply feel sorry for them.

I appreciate the concern of Canada about women's right in afghanistan.

Sorry, if I did any mistake in writing , because my English is not good.

Thanks


BarryW
said

Jenn, it wasn't 100 yrs ago - it was until late 19702 or early 1980s - so I think we can all stop being so self righteous. Our law until it was changed referred to raping a woman "not his wife".


a soldiers mom
said

K.C
our soldiers are NOT supporting the rape of women they are trying to make it a better place for the afghan people and in spite of this news they are doing a damn fine job, guess you don't know much about anything the soldiers are over there (risking thier lives) for. So yes SUPPORT OUR TROOPS


Kim in Calgary
said

Pull out our troops immediately! Close the border to anyone from Afgahanstan. We do not tolerate this level of backward thinking nor do I want immigrants here in Canada that live by these types of beliefs. It undermines the rights of women and takes us back to the 1800's. I do not want any more of my tax dollars being directed to this country...it is time we let them clean up their own act. Funding should be directed to the many homeless and underprivledged right here on Canadian soil.


Sebastion
said

To Nanook,
Thats funny. We have seen so many changes to how we do things in Canada simply because of the cultures or religious beliefs of those who think life in Canada is better. For example, kids can't dress for Halloween, Merry Christmas is now Happy holidays, our own Canadian anthem can't be sung in schools, hiring practices are geared to hiring immigrants as opposed to Canadians, the punjabi community want a third official language in Canada. Reverse racism is on the rise but the blinders are on and those of us born here have to suffer the consequences and give up our beliefs and customs or else be labeled a racist. Many of my friends are from other countries but they are friends because they are willing to adopt most of the Canadian ways while maintaining and sharing with me some of what makes them who they are. You are right...we shouldn't be there at all but if you believe that we shouldn't go there and instill our beliefs then I think it only fair that they don't come here and change every little thing that they don't like here in Canada.


Ed from BC
said

I laugh at some of the Canadian women here who are saying that Afghan women should just stand up and say they're not going to take it. I guess you don't get it!! Women in those countries have NO rights and if they stand up, they get beaten, raped, murdered or whatever and the law(? looks the other way.
The only reason that anybody (male or female) in the Western world can speak up and protest is because we have freedom through laws of democracy.
Our government must take steps to ensure that the Afghani government complies to basic humanitarian rights or there will be serious sanctions.


Michael (Ottawa)
said

@gee: "A healthy dose of moral relativism will do you good."

Gee moral relativism is exactly why the west is crumbling socially at a rate that is troubling.



gb
said

I'm sorry people...but these "other" countries are so screwed in the head.... I just give up already.... they're crazy....end of story.


Julie
said

Afghanistan is an independent and sovereign nation, who are we to dictate how they run their own country? I am mortified at conditions there and would like to see our troops out of there pronto. Until there is change from their own people, nothing will move them to enact sane laws. Years ago nobody condemned the Taliban regarding their treatment of women, but there was a huge uproar when they destroyed those statues of Buddha back in 2001. They don't want our western ethics because they are associated with Christianity, so let's quit wasting Canadian lives over there. Good luck changing countries that don't want to live the way we dot.


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