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Date: Wed. Apr. 1 2009 9:27 PM ET
A new Afghan law that dramatically inhibits the rights of women, including reportedly legalizing rape within marriage, has raised the ire of Canadian politicians from all parties, who are demanding that President Hamid Karzai clarify his position on the legislation.
The new law, which conflicting reports say has either passed or is still under consideration, would apply to the country's Shia minority. It would reportedly make it illegal for a woman to refuse to have sex with her husband and forbid her from leaving home without her husband's permission.
The law would also reportedly grant custody rights to fathers and grandfathers.
During a heated debate in the House of Commons on Wednesday, NDP Leader Jack Layton expressed his disappointment in the law and asked the Conservative government how it plans to respond.
"Can the government tell us today how it's going to express the disappointment of the Canadian people with regard to these laws that attack women?" Layton asked during question period.
International Trade Minister Stockwell Day reiterated comments he made Tuesday about the law, saying the government has asked for an explanation from Karzai.
"What is very clear, is that we are concerned with the provisions in this law as we see them," he said, "and we are calling unequivocally upon the government in Afghanistan to make sure they live up to their international treaty obligations for human rights, especially human rights for women."
NDP defence critic Dawn Black said news of the legislation would be disheartening to the thousands of Canadian soldiers who have served in Afghanistan.
"The government has said over and over again that the underpinning of this mission was to defend women's rights and to provide education for girls," Black said. "Mr. Speaker, after all the sacrifices, after all that Canadian families have put on the line, could this really end up being what we're fighting for in Afghanistan?"
Earlier Wednesday, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff sharply rebuked the Afghan government upon hearing of the legislation.
Ignatieff said that he is "outraged on behalf of Afghan women. Citizens of that country deserve better."
Karzai has yet to comment on the law. However, reports indicate the legislation has Karzai's support, according to Michael Wodzicki of Rights & Democracy.
"It seems more that it's a question of politicking in the sense that Afghanistan is having elections in August, President Karzai is up for election, and from what we can tell this law is a part of that process, in terms of Mr. Karzai trying to get votes from the Shia population," Wodzicki said Wednesday on CTV Newsnet.
On Tuesday, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon, who was attending a conference on Afghanistan in Europe, spoke to two Afghan cabinet ministers about the law. Cannon has yet to comment on what came of those discussions.
In 2001, NATO troops forced out Afghanistan's ruling Taliban regime, which strictly followed sharia law. Under Taliban rule, women could not attend school, hold jobs, go out in public uncovered or see a male doctor without being accompanied by a male relative.
While Afghanistan's current constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it allows the Shia to have a separate family law that is based on religious traditions.
According to Wodzicki, human rights groups work with Afghan politicians and citizens to ensure that laws reflect the Afghan constitution as well as other, more progressive, laws that are passed in other countries.
However, it's work that could take generations.
"Culture is something that takes years, decades, even centuries to develop. And when we're talking about developing a culture of human rights and a culture that protects women's rights in Afghanistan, it's not going to take place in the eight years that has passed since the fall of the Taliban," Wodzicki said. "This is a long-term endeavour."
Jordan's Queen Noor, speaking to CTV Newsnet Wednesday, said that Islam "provides protections and equal rights for men and women under God."
With files from The Canadian Press
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Solider in Sask
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PeterO
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Goldens
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John W
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Doug
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If Afghanistan otherwise wants to live in the dark ages, how can we legitimatly do anything about it? It's a matter of culture, and as backward and horrible that culture may seem to us, we do NOT have the right to impose our culture on Afghanistan. How about a little emotional intelligence (EQ)from all?
MHR
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Too bad.... I guess this is just a other proof that the war is hoax...
We backed up many bad government and it is time to stop.....
Realist
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Roland Godin
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Statistics Canada survey found that one-half of all Canadian women have experienced at least one incident of sexual or physical violence. Almost 60% of these women were the targets of more than one such incident.
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Pugfire
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There is NO WAY we should be over there dying to uphold such a way of life.
Harper should recall our troops NOW!!!
Disgusted beyond belief.
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Kevin
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LH
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To say that women can't be educated must mean there aren't women doctors, so denying them access to male doctors denies them access to any medical help. And forcing women to have sex with their husbands is appalling, a right to do what you want with your own body is a basic human right. I hope this law does not pass, and if it does I weep for those women and that society.
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Shoei
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If not, we should seriously consider airlifting every woman and child under 16 out of there
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Lost Cause
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Brilliant strategy. The women of Afghanistan must be ecstatic with us.
I wish our politicians would give it a rest with their false outrage. They all go over to Afghanistan as a part of their job. If any or all of them have known about the deeply ingrained anti-women cultural undercurrents and rotten political business in relation to women that's been going on over there and haven't said anything about it or reported the extent of it to Canadians or the media, they're bare faced liars, all of them.
If they somehow DON'T know what is going on over there in that culture, then they're totally incompetent and have no business selling a war to anyone. All this garbage we've been told about little girls going to school to sugarcoat the horrendous truth... it ain't right.
PV
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... This is EXACTLY the reason we are there! If we weren't, do you think we would have any voice at all on the issue? Give your head a shake and lay off the tofu granola bars....
Jack R
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Tony
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easy.
To help the USA secure a pipeline which runs through Iraq thats why the USA invaded that country and now since its near completion the USA is pulling out of that country and moving to help us in Afghan to sure the building of the pipeline. Hey all it takes is a little research and you can find out all this. Might take some digging but you will find its all true
korie
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it is inhumane (we are so quick to use this word when speaking about animals) to treat any HUMAN this way! these are daughters, sisters, wives, mothers and grandmothers! we scream bloody murder if a child is exploited in this country, yet those same voices are mysteriously silent when it isn't in our own back yard? why?
my 2 cents worth, pull canadian support out of afghanistan immediately if equal rights for all are not granted!
Robert. Winnipeg.
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Yup. As long as it is called "Religion" they can get away with it.
I'm proud to be an Atheist.
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Mary Syke
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Since women's rights are clearly an issue in Afghanistan which needs to be addressed, this is a good opportunity for the Afghani government to take progressive action and reject the proposal to make it legal for the Shia men to rape their wives.'
Disturbingly, it wasn't illegal for a man to rape his wife in Canada until 1983! This really is not that long ago, however I do feel we have come a long way. There is still a lot of work to do of course, but women here are more empowered today and I only hope that for women all over the world.
JM
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Karzai is a joke and we need our soldiers home.
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Bob - NS
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Retired Soldier in Kingston, ON
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Lets send a message to Harmid Karzai,his government in Kabul and the Afghan Embassy in Ottawa that as a people, we do not want our Canadian soldiers fighting and dying in Afghanistan for this outdated and legislated medieval concept of
"marriage"!
Pro Patria
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James in St. John's
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Canada should not equivocate on this issue. They pass the law we pack up and leave. We cut all diplomatic ties and treat them as the rogue state they have chosen to become just like their neighbour Iran. Not one more penny of aid should be spent on them, period.
Michelle
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And what about the women victims in Bountiful who have been taught that they will burn in Hell if they do not completely submit to their polygamous husbands?
Before we cast too many stones at Afghanistan, perhaps we should stand up to the injustices that befall women who are raised in Canada to be subservient to men, and our law permits it under the umbrella of religious freedom. Who will stand up for our little girls and tell them they do not have to believe that they will go to hell for choosing when they want to have sex and with whom?
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an inconvenient truce
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They are going to do what they want to do, as we would, as anyone would, as it has been for all time...
Jack Layton "Damanding" a response? Hey Jack, get a job.
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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"Can someone remind me why we are there??"
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Sure; I'd be happy to...
We're there to reprogram a breeding ground for terrorism by shining the light of freedom and democracy on a "dark" place in which human rights are not fully respected.
There you go.
Laurie
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Oh please, it's still obviously a mans' world, western women have only had the right to vote for 80 years out of what, thousands?
Move over men and let we women have a shot at this....we couldn't do any worse!!!!!
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Fatman
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I hope this is all some gross misunderstanding but something inside tells me it isn't!
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John
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Jim - Calgary
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How this man can believe for one moment that 21st Century western values are going to have any impact on a culture that totally rejects our social systems and which, for the most part, is still living in the first millenium is beyond me.
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Taliban ideology...BRING OUR
TROOPS HOME NOW!
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At least girls can now go to school in Afghanistan and give some time the culture will evolve to something to that of Canada hopefully.
How long ago was it in Canada that men beat there wives and women weren't allowed to vote?
Give these people time and don't judge there culture. We are the ones that are backwards to them remember.
Charles, Nanaimo B.C
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Yet he made his position perfectly clear. He said, not once, but repeatedly, "Let me make it quite clear. We are in Afghanistan for one reason and one reason only. To defeat Al Quada".
He went on to say, it was not America's job, to dictate how the Aghan's ran their country, or what kind of governance they chose.
He also made it clear that the Taleban was only on their radar because of their connections to Al Quada.
Yet, not a single peep of protest about this speech. But then, he is still some kind of Messiah to many.
So, to all those posting on here about this being the reason for being there. It might well be to Canadians, but it doesn't seem to be a sentiment shared by their Messiah.
Rockstar
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Rick in NB
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What's the difference?
I want to know. Somebody please comment.
annie, ontario
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Canada is fighting the taliban/al-qaida, not trying to change a society that is thousands of years older than our own.
To link this event with what our troops are there for shows a real lack of knowledge of our military missions purpose.
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It wasn't that long agao and we would have stoned you for drawing a unflattering picture of the pope.
Let's face it, until they wake up and cut their religous leaders and their kooky followers loose, they will have to get use to this BS. Until then anything we do, will be for target practice purposes.
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Other than overthrowing and taking regional control of the Afghan government this is a bitter pill we will have to swallow. But it does make me wonder even more, why are our soldiers over there in harms way if the government is going to give in to the Taliban anyway? What a waste of time, energy, money and blood of our future generations.
Melissa
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I think we all owe our vets credit for giving us this freedom.
Shannon - Montreal
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The article give you the answer. Those who believe in these practices are barbaric and exercise their rights by force. So, we send the military on an extremely dangerous, but necessary mission.
We send aid, education, and development to change minds over the long haul to sepak to the hearts and minds of people conditioned to be suspicious of others.
Is this not evident in the essence of Sharia law - law made to satisfy those who seek to make something theirs - even believing a man can own a woman - since they trust no one, not even themselves. So, 'cover me with a law that not only gives me what I want but legitamizes what I may do since it's all about me'.
Higher ways requires higher purposes or all suffer, even the abusers, at the whims of their own insatiable urges. Unless this rot is stopped, it will spread like the plague it is.
You ask "why"? You just read the answer 'Citizen of Canada'. To be there is part of what it means to be Canadian.
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Thankfully McGuinty was pressured to reject Marion Boyd's Report on the Arbitration Act or Ontario could be faced with the dilemma of advocating Sharia Law.
Jockey Grace
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You said it.
Linda in Vancouver
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That said,Afghanistan is in election mode.We should all keep our pwder dry.We can be of no help to women and children there if we simply pack up and leave extremists to run the show.
Oddly.the same people who oppose the violence of war seem willing to leave these people to the violence of their husbands.The same people address EVERY issue with the same political biases.
There is no western style government being imposed on the people of Afghanistan.I see western governments providing secutity so the people of Afghanistan can CHOOSE their own form of government.For now,what we can do is tell them that we recognize their right to choose,BUT,once they've made a choice that goes against basic human rights for ALL the people,THEY are going to have to defend the values they have chosen.We cannot.
I think nation building is an on-going process.It is never finished,it takes years to see any real changes,it takes decades to build infrastructure,and it takes generations for past hostilities to be put aside.
In the modern,fast food world we live in,patience is in short supply.The people of Afghanistan have an idea where they want to go.They just don't know how to get there on their own,and have few resources for the journey.We all have to show patience as they go through these painful steps.
This is not the time to give up on these people.If the vast majority decide to go that way,then we have to leave.We will be victorious by the reality that we will have given them the right to choose.
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Simon James, Vancouver
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Iraq was an advanced, soverign, secular nation until the U.S. government (with Canadian government assistance) illegally blockaded, bombed, invaded and occupied it, killing over 1 million people, mostly children. Now Iraq is also run by religious fundamentalists.
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Mark from Sask
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YA from Toronto ON
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Afghanistan is ruled by the so called Muslim clerics who themselves cannot even write their own name. This is why people like Usama Bin Laden and other idiots have exploited this region for their personal and I might add Islamically forbidden agenda.
We need to educate the people as whole and perhaps in about 30-40 years we might see some results. The elders must die and along with them their ways. Education is the key.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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"All this garbage we've been told about little girls going to school to sugarcoat the horrendous truth... it ain't right."
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If you were at all informed about Afghanistan, and the important operational role of our military there, you wouldn't be so (apparently) shocked and outraged.
I'm disappointed. For someone who enjoys waging political war against those who support our mission in Afghanistan, you don't seem to be hip to the underlying circumstances.
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Military Wife In Shilo MB
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They are obviously shying towards the culture of the Taliban so let them face it on their own ..... The big Question remains to be un answered. Is what we are doing, giving and sacrificing going To be in Vain .....Strengthen the homefront!!!!! and bring our soldiers home for a mus=ch needed break
Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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There hasn't been much in the line of civilization for decade's as there has been only conflict and war.The politic's of this are what is driving this as the government see's the only way to bring the more moderate of the Taliban into the process and off the battlefield is to give in to the more strict Islamist's.
This is not something western country's want to read about but it may be something that culturally these more religious fundamentalist Shia can accept.We are not in a position to dictate to the Afghan government as they are an independent nation regardless of the sacrifice's we may make.
This is a long and arduous road we must travel to see that country prosper and for them to evolve into a socially progressive democracy with all the baggage they carry may take generations. This is something as hard as it is too swallow we may have to accept otherwise as we are not their to force our society and it's view's on another culture but to secure and protect the chance for a more progressive modern society.
Most of those within Afghanistan want that and chances are those who are fighting against it now will too as their standard of living improve's and life is more secure.
Get Real
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So if a culture practices human sacrifices against ex-Canadians, is that acceptable to you as well ex-Canadian? Puh-leaze!
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I wonder how Karzai sleeps at night, considering the burden he now bears from the screams of all the women that will now suffer under this archaic legislation.
"Cultural differences" aside, the brutalisation of women is in no way acceptable, and the fact that this is a legitimate political issue in an election campaign shows just how truly backwards Afghanistan is and how we are wasting our time defending ideals that, 7 1/2 years after invading, a large proportion of the Afghan people are still unwilling to accept.
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RE: "This is simply none of our business."
Keep hiding under your rock and let Canadians, and the people with enough guts to take the lead in combating injustice around the world, handle these issues.
And the next time YOU feel peeved because someone has infringed on YOUR rights, just remember "its none of your business, people are going to do what they want to do" no matter who they step on.
In the meantime, stand aside, and let the critics lamblast Karzai and the rest of the Afghani government for this stupid capitulation to Shia and Taliban pressure...
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Have you Canadians ever looked into your own society and the rights of women being violated here? Take a look at the PROSTITUTIONS that exists in Canada.
Fix your OWN women rights first then talk about other countries' WOMEN RIGHTS.
I dont support the laws being established in Afghanistan at all, but for as longs the CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT is in power there you will hear and watch very very strange stories.
Its their culture, it their country. People do not know that the Talibans were blamed for this, but in fact this had been happening in Afghanistan for the past 100 years, way before TALIBANS were even thought off.
Pray for the safety of our men and women in uniform rather then interfering in their cultural perspectives.
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"And were helping them do this?.......Isnt this what we were trying to prevent?"
No. We are trying to drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan for their acts of war against a NATO member on 9/11. We're at war with terror, not mysogyny. This is a millenia-old, culturally-ingrained, and religiously oriented ideology that cannot and will not be dislodged in any amount of time, short of evacuating every Middle-Eastern male and female under the age of 5, and sterilizing the remaining population, which of course, would be eugenics, and highly unethical.
Andrea in Ottawa
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Women in Canada are far more modernized then the women in the Middle East. It is no wonder women in the middle east countries want to immigrate to Canada.They want to live in a country where their rights are protected.
Now these days in Canada, women can marry who they want, no matter what the churches say. They even have the right to live with another women, or not to get married.Not everybody wants marriage.
Religion is one of the reasons why people fight , and the main reason why some people are going non religious, or keeping their beliefs to themselves.
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Keith in Brampton
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Until now, I've been behind our mission in Afghanistan. However, if this is the kind of "democracy" we are defending, then it's time to cut our losses and come home. Let them shed their OWN blood.
GG
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That rock he's under is planet earth.
Pick up a copy of "The Shock Doctrine" then make an educated statement.
You take for granted that other cultures consider our society "enlightened". Wrong.
They are not one dimensional, this way of life makes sense to them, regardless of what we think about it.
MYOB
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In answer to your question, "Can someone remind me why we are there??", there is only one legitimate answer that is credible; We are in Aphganistan to stabilize a country which is located strategically close enough to the OPEC nations to effect the oil trade.
We are there at the behest of those who have a vested interest in oil flowing from OPEC to non-OPEC nations. This is because--true to Henry Kissinger's 1970's oil deal--it props up the U.S. dollar at an artificially high level. Part of the Kissinger deal calls for 20% of all money paid to OPEC nations by non-OPEC nations for oil (US Dollars only, thankyou very much) to go directly into buying the U.S. national debt. You can see that if this oil trade were to be disrupted, then, that the U.S. dollar would be swiftly devalued. This is because there would be no credible assets (OPEC oil) upon which to base the U.S. debt, and by extension its' currency.
Now, both the U.S. government and the uber-rich of the world have based most of their equity in U.S. dollars(NYSE.) Therefore, any disruption in trade will cause a collapse in the economy of the U.S. and the pocket-books of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.
It is for these reasons, then--propping up the U.S. economy, as well as the fortunes of the "great men" of this world--that our sons and daughters are dying in Aphganistan.
Is there anything in it for us, you might ask? Yes; a healthier U.S. economy means a healthier Canadian economy, which means jobs for us. The question is whether you think that is worth the cost. If it isn't, then we need to bring the troops home and tighten our belts.
The choice is ours...unless the Western governments decide to suspend democracy.
Michelle - DND
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When women have an equal voice (vote), and about 20 years of deprogramming, and another generation or two of young boys who are brought up to respect women, then the country will join the human race.
Tony
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Kris D.
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It's time for new leadership at NATO. This has been a colossal failure.
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Pulling our troops will only reinforce those old traditions and with the return of the Taliban with more of those old traditions that we abhor in the Western hemisphere will be enforced.
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Fighting for people who think of women as property!
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"human rights groups work with Afghan politicians and citizens to ensure that laws reflect the Afghan constitution as well as other, more progressive, laws that are passed in other countries.
However, it's work that could take generations.
"Culture is something that takes years, decades, even centuries to develop. And when we're talking about developing a culture of human rights and a culture that protects women's rights in Afghanistan, it's not going to take place in the eight years that has passed since the fall of the Taliban," Wodzicki said.
That's right, it is Afghanistan's culture that brought about the law. I have no doubt that Afghanis who read about Canada permitting Gay marriage would have responded in exactly the same way as you, had they the means to do so. Yet it was our developing culture that let marriage between consenting adults be extended to same-sex partnerships. Afghan culture still has to grow into the concept of gender equality and democracy, the work of generations.
In the meantime, that law got passed by politicians responding to their needs; the need to get re-elected by their constituents. Guess what, the same thing happens here in Canada. The only difference is that Canada has become a secular nation, and a law that supports the tenets of a fundamentalist minority would not get passed and apply to the majority.
Or would it. . . Bountiful, anyone?
Adam
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This human rights issue is very critical and should be resolved.
Dave in Manotick
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"I'm all for women's rights and would fight like HELL if someone was trying to take them away from me... Who's to say that we're right and they're wrong?"
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Yikes! I had to stop and read your comment twice. Coming from a woman, it's rather unbelievable.
Let me help you with your moral compass on this issue: It is WRONG to deny any innocent human being their freedom, as this is an inalienable human right.
It's NOT a cultural issue. Every living soul is born with the right to be FREE. Forcing this righteous “law” upon another society, of course, is a profound challenge.
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Where in the world do you get the notion Islam is the 'only religion to protect women's rights'? Nonsense. You seem unfamiliar with both the Hebrew Scriptures of the Christian Bible.
If you took even 30 mintes to read these Scriptures ni the context of their entirety and not selected phrases cut and pasted to create an opinion, you would find men and women are equal before God. Both were created in God's image. Both are equally valued by God and are to value each other.
Bring the facts. Leave the fiction behind.
Ashley Jade Heyland
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As Canadians in 2009, it too easy to point the finger at other nations and call them "uncivilized", "barbaric", or "evil", however in doing that we seem to be turning a blind eye to our own nation's struggle with Woman's civil rights. After all, it was not until 1983 that a woman could charge her husband with rape in Canada. Were we then "uncivilized"? In that case, when did Canada become a civilized country?
I think by merely pointing to one aspect of one cultural group in an entire nation's history doth not a good judgment make. It is a far cry from a well rounded understanding of the Afghan people to point to recent, and dare say acutely extremest, aspects of their policies, religions, and cultural groups as being a fair representation of their national character in totality. Thus, it may be more productive to label specific laws, parts of cultures, and individual beliefs as "uncivilized" rather than an entire nation!
Greg in Cambridge
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Wait...that's happening now thanks to our politicians.
Stop the floodgates!
Russ
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I'm not saying it's right, but surely it's simplistic to label it as a question of civilization v. barbarity.
John S
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Jake
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Cause many problems when they were separated but still legally married. Look it up.
Before being so critical of others, look to your own past.
Wilson
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I'm pretty sure out #1 priority in Afghanistan is to battle terrorism. It's not like we're there just hanging out because we think the Afghan govt is some super cool guys. Let's not get involved in THEIR politics. Our government should be worrying about hunting down those terrorists, not this.
Point taken, however see a trend here? Countries where women are continually denied basic human rights = countries that produce a disproportionate number of terrorists.
Seems to be a connection, perhaps we SHOULD be worrying about this!
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Its because these people don't want to be free. Its not that they are passive about not wanting to be free but they are actively resisting their own freedom by saying that "God wills it." Anybody who is as religious as orthodox muslims who decides to defend something on the rationale that "God wills it" is not going to be convinced anytime soon Soldier. Freedom of conscience is an apostacy in Islam punishable by death. How can you "help" people who believe such things?
And if you think that is is just one law... you're wrong, its just the tip of the iceberg.
Look at this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Afghanistan
This is a brief discription of the Afghan Constitution. It states in the Religion section, no law can contradict the beliefs and provisions of Islam. Ever read the Quran Soldier? That book is fodder for more such obsene laws which we'll all see coming out of Afghanistan in the months and years to come, I promise you.
Alberta Believer
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Laura this is not even close and for you to compare the human rights values of Canada to Afghanistan makes you a loon.
Be a feminist, be pro aboriginal, push for gender and racial equality but how does expressing such nutty radical ideas help? Are you really going to say that Canada treats aboriginals and women worse or comparable to how Afghaistan treats women?
Of course we've sinned here in Canada but extremists does not a good argument make. Lets not forget the apology with dollars attached by the federal government to survicors of residential schools last June. Lets not forget that said residential schools are closed. Lest not forget that most of Canada's attrocities committed against aboriginals happened yesteryear!
Coupled with the affirmative action programs, and cash benefits afforded aboriginals by all levels of government, your comments here embarras not just the governments, yourself and women, but aboriginals themselves few of whom would endorse such statements.
Oil for Peace
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In Saudi Arabia Women :
1 - make up 70% of those enrolled in universities, but just 5% of the
workforce in Saudi Arabia
2 - It happened recently when a woman, victim of a gang rape, was sentenced by a
Saudi court to six months in prison and 200 lashes for violating laws on
segregation of the sexes, as she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of
the attack
3 Women are not allowed to drive or ride bicycles on public roads in large cities
4 Saudi Arabia is one of the few countries in the 2008 Olympics without a female
delegation
5 Oh and they cant vote either
mmm but they do have some nice Oil fields.........
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Was not Karzai put in place as president by the United States?
And didn't Obama recently say they plan on putting more troops in Afghanistan?
These are all politicians creating such scenarios.
None of the holy books; the Gospels or the Quran state "you may rape your wife".
This is all politically staged. Another political, economical reason for sticking our nose into Afghanistan and Iraq in order to stay there longer.
These type of news get your skin burning because you think we should stay there liberating them by trying to impose laws regarding what WE believe is right or wrong in THEIR land.
"According to the Catholic church it is a sin for a woman to spurn her husbands sexual advances. It just stops short of condoning rape"
We got priests here molesting little boys in Canada, incest cases like Fritzl and monster of Mariquita in Colombia, countless crooks committing murders and being caught with child porn and getting away with doing 2 years in jail. Why don't you let the 'Layton's' and 'Harpers' of Afghanistan stick their nose in our Canadian laws and make changes?
And then you wonder why they have such hate against us?
IT Manager from Edmonton
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It's beyond reason how the left simply does not "get it".
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Conservative Mike
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Thanks for the "enlightened" statement. If 116+ Canadian lives are being sacrificed, then we have every right to pressure Karzai into NOT capitulating to Taliban demands.
Call me ethnocentric if it makes you feel better, but there is no way Canada should be supporting this law, and our presence in Afghanistan gives us every right to complain about it.
The rock you are hiding under is NOT Planet Earth, but the same blind eye of naivety that "what happens over there doesn't concern or affect me."
I will read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" (I assume that's the one you mean) while I recommend you take a college-level history course & learn about what happens when governments (Western, Eastern, Islamic, I don't care which) stand idly by and allow other nations to pass legislation like the one the Karzai government is tolerating...
JP
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This isn't a flipping episode of Star Trek. We have every right in the world to impose our culture on other humans, especially when it's obviously better for them.
How do we know our culture is better? Go live over there for a year and then decide for yourself. There is no sovereignty in instituted domestic abuse and xenophobia.
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Darlene, NS
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When I first read this I was as outraged as many on this blog. But then I realized something amazing. Barely 25 years ago, these were OUR laws - these were our women who were raped within marriage and kept as chattel. Today, I am reading as many comments condemning the practice from men as I am from women. Some of you are genuinely SHOCKED that people and societies could find it acceptable. Twenty-five years ago the shock was for the idea that it wasn't acceptable.
Societies CAN change - Canadians are living proof of this. Afghanistan can change, too. But it will no more happen overnight than it did here in Canada. Hang in there. Don't walk away or give up - there are millions of future Afghani women depending on our guidance. We can prevail. We've done it as a society ourselves :)
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kc in alberta
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I was an adult before a woman could be considered to have been raped by her legally wedded husband even if the two were separated or otherwise estranged.
We all know these travesties of inequality are no longer in place and that Canada is a far better place for the changes.
We also know that every change was resisted by some and that each battle was hard won.
Progress only happens at the prolonged insistance of progressive people who are willing to act who can convince their government that change is what the majority desires.
We can't do it all for the citizen's and government of Afghanistan, they must also be prepared to progress in their own minds.
Let's demand that the Afghan government not entertain this vile step backwards simply to appease those who will not grow beyond their superstitions and religious dogma.
If the government resists or makes excuses, we should abandon their country as a lost cause.
Somewhere the rubber meets the road and this law should be a litmus test as to whether our further involvement can really help these people.
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B. Lang
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Now lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.
At Least the Afghans are Up Front About It
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preparing for second deployment
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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"We are in Aphganistan to stabilize a country which is located strategically close enough to the OPEC nations to effect the oil trade."
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It's nice to see that someone's still trying to keep this lame "conspiracy theory" alive.
(Aside: Why did you stop short of fingering George Bush as the one who orchestrated 9/11, to justify going into Iraq and Afghanistan? That’s the cherry on the sundae!)
P.S. Being able to spell "Afghanistan" at any point in a comment would enhance the credibility of your theory.
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David
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What I find most appalling about "spreading our goodness" around the world is that Western countries are so focused on "fixing" everything else in the world they're losing the battle at home. "Rome is burning" as they say. Maybe this depression will give people some introspection.
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Michael Nesbitt
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No, the result of such law is not what we are there for, but we are there for that country to democratically advance, and we have no right to say that they have to advance the same way the West has.
Claude
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Let's try to understand the situation before saying we know what we're talking about.
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SHAMEFUL ignorant politicians sensationalizing things for their own cause, before getting the full facts.
This type of ignorance costs the live of many.
SHAME
FYI Concerning the law that has passed in Afghanistan, allowing "husbands to rape" is totally FALSE INFO.
The actual law passed
is :
allowing husbands to divorce their wives in case the wife fails in her spousal duty.
This is in regards to family law, to make divorce more easily attainable.
Again media has twisted the facts to promote a hate and a smear campaign.
Using unreliable media sources from lobbyists and counter-agents to further hate.
Total unethical reporting; shame on the politicians that have ignorantly pushed this sort of propaganda.
Sensibility would tell you that the government supported coalition would NOT allow passing legalized rape., Islam itself does NOT allow rape., Rape in the Qur'an carries a heavy penalty !
Is that why Canadians are in Afghanistan, to implement government passed laws supporting rape ? ?
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Derek
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yes canada like every other country has it's abuse issues but we have laws inplace againsts it not supporting it that is the difference so we do get to stand up and speak out. Oh also I am a 27 year old male that has gone to church all my life and never once did i hear my wife has the resposobility to have sex when ever i wanted!!!
Walt
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This is the way this world is going. Stop complaining about Islam and moslem fanatics cuting the heads of their "enemies" off.
Roman Catholic church killed estimated 100 milion "heretics" just because they did not agree with Popes religious fantasies and decided to follow the Bible instead.
Supprised? Expect more in the future. Vatican will get its power to persecute again and the heads will be falling again. Just wait.
Our kids are loosing their lives there for nothing.
The satanic ways of this world will not change.
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"These people" quite obviously do not want our help, and that includes their President, duly elected. Perhaps the time has come to mind our own business.
David
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Art in Alberta
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Gay people in this country are still not equals in the eyes of the law. This needs to be addressed and ammended before we can truly comment on others.
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Bob in Harley
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Nancy - We need Insta Banks
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After the Afghan election, we need to change this.
We also need to set up insta banks everywhere and pay people directly and by pass corrupt governemnt officials with Auto deposit on projects and to works and especially police and women civil servents.
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If the Afghan government enacts this legislation, then all NATO troops should be immediately withdrawn. NATO should seal off all Afghan borders & western countries should withdraw all economic & political support for this government (including any & all aid).