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CTV Newsnet: Farzana Hassan, Muslim Canadian Congress, explains why she isn't surprised by the development
CTV Newsnet: Sally Armstrong, journalist and human rights activist on the need for international outrage
Question period: The NDP questions the government on Afghan women's rights
CTV Newsnet: Michael Wodzicki, Rights and Democracy, reacts to the Afghan rape law

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Date: Wed. Apr. 1 2009 9:27 PM ET

A new Afghan law that dramatically inhibits the rights of women, including reportedly legalizing rape within marriage, has raised the ire of Canadian politicians from all parties, who are demanding that President Hamid Karzai clarify his position on the legislation.

The new law, which conflicting reports say has either passed or is still under consideration, would apply to the country's Shia minority. It would reportedly make it illegal for a woman to refuse to have sex with her husband and forbid her from leaving home without her husband's permission.

The law would also reportedly grant custody rights to fathers and grandfathers.

During a heated debate in the House of Commons on Wednesday, NDP Leader Jack Layton expressed his disappointment in the law and asked the Conservative government how it plans to respond.

"Can the government tell us today how it's going to express the disappointment of the Canadian people with regard to these laws that attack women?" Layton asked during question period.

International Trade Minister Stockwell Day reiterated comments he made Tuesday about the law, saying the government has asked for an explanation from Karzai.

"What is very clear, is that we are concerned with the provisions in this law as we see them," he said, "and we are calling unequivocally upon the government in Afghanistan to make sure they live up to their international treaty obligations for human rights, especially human rights for women."

NDP defence critic Dawn Black said news of the legislation would be disheartening to the thousands of Canadian soldiers who have served in Afghanistan.

"The government has said over and over again that the underpinning of this mission was to defend women's rights and to provide education for girls," Black said. "Mr. Speaker, after all the sacrifices, after all that Canadian families have put on the line, could this really end up being what we're fighting for in Afghanistan?"

Earlier Wednesday, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff sharply rebuked the Afghan government upon hearing of the legislation.

Ignatieff said that he is "outraged on behalf of Afghan women. Citizens of that country deserve better."

Karzai has yet to comment on the law. However, reports indicate the legislation has Karzai's support, according to Michael Wodzicki of Rights & Democracy.

"It seems more that it's a question of politicking in the sense that Afghanistan is having elections in August, President Karzai is up for election, and from what we can tell this law is a part of that process, in terms of Mr. Karzai trying to get votes from the Shia population," Wodzicki said Wednesday on CTV Newsnet.

On Tuesday, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon, who was attending a conference on Afghanistan in Europe, spoke to two Afghan cabinet ministers about the law. Cannon has yet to comment on what came of those discussions.

In 2001, NATO troops forced out Afghanistan's ruling Taliban regime, which strictly followed sharia law. Under Taliban rule, women could not attend school, hold jobs, go out in public uncovered or see a male doctor without being accompanied by a male relative.

While Afghanistan's current constitution guarantees equal rights for women, it allows the Shia to have a separate family law that is based on religious traditions.

According to Wodzicki, human rights groups work with Afghan politicians and citizens to ensure that laws reflect the Afghan constitution as well as other, more progressive, laws that are passed in other countries.

However, it's work that could take generations.

"Culture is something that takes years, decades, even centuries to develop. And when we're talking about developing a culture of human rights and a culture that protects women's rights in Afghanistan, it's not going to take place in the eight years that has passed since the fall of the Taliban," Wodzicki said. "This is a long-term endeavour."

Jordan's Queen Noor, speaking to CTV Newsnet Wednesday, said that Islam "provides protections and equal rights for men and women under God."

With files from The Canadian Press

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Solider in Sask
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It is stories like this that make me wonder why some people are still against the FREE WORLD helping these people.


Citizen of Canada
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Can someone remind me why we are there??


PeterO
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This is what our troops are over there fighting for??????


Goldens
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Rightly so! It should rase much more than just the ire of politicans. Canada is not there to create a slave state. We are there to create a free state!
John W
Bridgetown NS


Doug
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This is the trouble with national building, the pupils building and paying for the “advancement” of the society can not dictate the actions of a people’s who knowledge of democracy and freedoms have not been developed. There will be missteps, the true test will be how the people of Afghanistan handle and act on this outrageous law.


ex-Canadian
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In case Canadian politicians and the public need reminding, the NATO mission in Afghanistan is to deny the country from offering a sanctuary to the extremist Taliban. Why? So that the Taliban cannot offer support for al-quada and thus launch further attacks against western countries. THAT is the aim.

If Afghanistan otherwise wants to live in the dark ages, how can we legitimatly do anything about it? It's a matter of culture, and as backward and horrible that culture may seem to us, we do NOT have the right to impose our culture on Afghanistan. How about a little emotional intelligence (EQ)from all?


MHR
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Western installed an government which isn't pro-human right and far-right-wing government as well.

Too bad.... I guess this is just a other proof that the war is hoax...

We backed up many bad government and it is time to stop.....


Realist
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Has no one realised that this is not a civilized country?


Roland Godin
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A U.N. Report 2006, finds 1 in 3 women suffer severe mate violence. United Nations Chief Kofi Anan states there is compelling evidence that violence against women is severe and pervasisve throughout the world:
Statistics Canada survey found that one-half of all Canadian women have experienced at least one incident of sexual or physical violence. Almost 60% of these women were the targets of more than one such incident.


Denis @ Ottawa
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Seriously if this goes through, I will NOT support Canada being there. Period.



Pugfire
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For THIS our sons and daughters go in harm's way?

There is NO WAY we should be over there dying to uphold such a way of life.

Harper should recall our troops NOW!!!

Disgusted beyond belief.


Terry from Vancouver
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This is the EXACT reason why church and state should be completely separate ... and this goes for any type of church. Governments should be strictly secular!


GHW
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What a crazy world we live in. How many women are in the Afghan parliament?


Kevin
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1 step forward 2 steps back...


LH
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It is disgusting that a law like this can still pass in the world today. I don't believe that westerners have the right to impose our beliefs and laws on other countries as every country has a right to their own culture, but this is one area that I cannot support. Human rights are deserved by everyone, regardless of your religion, culture or heritage.

To say that women can't be educated must mean there aren't women doctors, so denying them access to male doctors denies them access to any medical help. And forcing women to have sex with their husbands is appalling, a right to do what you want with your own body is a basic human right. I hope this law does not pass, and if it does I weep for those women and that society.


The Widowmaker
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If this is what we get for the sacrifice our soldiers have gone through it's time to bring them home. This is not exceptable in the lest. Our military should NOT take anymore risks to protect this kind of garbage. Harper YOU better do what's right. If you know what that is.


Shoei
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I'm happy Harper is taking a strong stand. The left at the CBC might try to twist it, but Harper will fix this.

If not, we should seriously consider airlifting every woman and child under 16 out of there


Bryan from Winnipeg
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I'm pretty sure out #1 priority in Afghanistan is to battle terrorism. It's not like we're there just hanging out because we think the Afghan govt is some super cool guys. Let's not get involved in THEIR politics. Our government should be worrying about hunting down those terrorists, not this.


Lost Cause
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Chasing out one brutal misogynist regime while training more Afghan MEN to they can put another brutal misogynist regime in power and keep them secure.

Brilliant strategy. The women of Afghanistan must be ecstatic with us.

I wish our politicians would give it a rest with their false outrage. They all go over to Afghanistan as a part of their job. If any or all of them have known about the deeply ingrained anti-women cultural undercurrents and rotten political business in relation to women that's been going on over there and haven't said anything about it or reported the extent of it to Canadians or the media, they're bare faced liars, all of them.

If they somehow DON'T know what is going on over there in that culture, then they're totally incompetent and have no business selling a war to anyone. All this garbage we've been told about little girls going to school to sugarcoat the horrendous truth... it ain't right.


PV
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Hey Citizen of Canada,

... This is EXACTLY the reason we are there! If we weren't, do you think we would have any voice at all on the issue? Give your head a shake and lay off the tofu granola bars....


Jack R
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What a shame we're wasting Canada's best and brightest on this stone age sh*t hole.


Tony
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RE: why we are in Afghan.

easy.

To help the USA secure a pipeline which runs through Iraq thats why the USA invaded that country and now since its near completion the USA is pulling out of that country and moving to help us in Afghan to sure the building of the pipeline. Hey all it takes is a little research and you can find out all this. Might take some digging but you will find its all true


korie
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wow, would someone please tell me why canadian soldiers are in afghanistan? they are there to provide and maintain a level of democracy...and this is unacceptable!

it is inhumane (we are so quick to use this word when speaking about animals) to treat any HUMAN this way! these are daughters, sisters, wives, mothers and grandmothers! we scream bloody murder if a child is exploited in this country, yet those same voices are mysteriously silent when it isn't in our own back yard? why?

my 2 cents worth, pull canadian support out of afghanistan immediately if equal rights for all are not granted!


Robert. Winnipeg.
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". . . allows the Shia to have a separate family law that is based on religious traditions."
Yup. As long as it is called "Religion" they can get away with it.
I'm proud to be an Atheist.


Saladin
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There is a big difference between making it illegal for a woman to refuse sex with her husband and allowing him to rape her!. Indeed, in Islam both the husband and the wife should satisfy the other's sexual needs because this protects society from adultery. Refusing to satisfy the sexual needs of your spouse is thus a sin not a crime!. So, what courts have to do with that? Either the couple are happy together and they can continue or they are not happy an they can get divorce.


Mary Syke
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I am a resident of Waterloo, Ontario. This article is completely disturbing. Although I find this new law unacceptable, it doesn't actually surprise me. As the article points out, it takes years and years to change people's values and beliefs.

Since women's rights are clearly an issue in Afghanistan which needs to be addressed, this is a good opportunity for the Afghani government to take progressive action and reject the proposal to make it legal for the Shia men to rape their wives.'

Disturbingly, it wasn't illegal for a man to rape his wife in Canada until 1983! This really is not that long ago, however I do feel we have come a long way. There is still a lot of work to do of course, but women here are more empowered today and I only hope that for women all over the world.


JM
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When are we going to wake up to the fact that some segments of the world just aren't ready for democracy.

Karzai is a joke and we need our soldiers home.


Jon Halifax
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After spending 6 months in that "lovely" country last year, I can confirm they are in the stone age; however, they are good at making bombs, and do seem to "adore" little boys. Woman are generally treated worse than dogs. Money well spent don't you think? On the other hand they have lovely weather...


Bob - NS
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Sure. We're there because if we don't help them sort their government out, the Taliban will be back in, with their support of the training camps stronger than ever.


MHB
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The Canadian government is hypocrite as usual!. They remained silent when Israeli soldiers disclosed two weeks ago that Palestinian women and children carrying white flags in Gaza were shot dead but now they express their outrage about a ridiculous Afghani law!. The fact is that Mr. Harper and his government do not give a damn about human rights. They are taking this as chance to remind the Afghans that their land is occupied and they should have sex in the way that pleases Mr. Harper :).


Julius, Hamilton
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This is exactly why countries like the USA and Canada should be in Afghanistan, because clearly, these people are unable to create laws on their own that would protect the most vulnerable in their society.


Retired Soldier in Kingston, ON
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Afghan women obviously need a champion; the presumably male politicians and neanderthals who drafted this "law" as enacted, in Kabul, are definitely not it!

Lets send a message to Harmid Karzai,his government in Kabul and the Afghan Embassy in Ottawa that as a people, we do not want our Canadian soldiers fighting and dying in Afghanistan for this outdated and legislated medieval concept of
"marriage"!

Pro Patria


David Horvath
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This is what is coming to Canada with the new Muslim laws bieng set up in Quebec and Ontario last month,,,


Steve
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I have been a strong supporter of the role the Canadian Forces has played in helping these people join the 21st century. If this law actually passes the Afgan legislature, Canada should immediately be withdrawn.


James in St. John's
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If this law is passed Canada should leave Afganistan. Pick up all of our people and material. The soldiers who died didn't give their lives so that the Taleban could back door their policies of hate.

Canada should not equivocate on this issue. They pass the law we pack up and leave. We cut all diplomatic ties and treat them as the rogue state they have chosen to become just like their neighbour Iran. Not one more penny of aid should be spent on them, period.




Michelle
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How many Catholics are there in Canada? According to the Catholic church it is a sin for a woman to spurn her husbands sexual advances. It just stops short of condoning rape, but what is really the difference between making a wife feel like she has a moral duty to say yes even when she doesn't feel like it, and condoning a husbands right to rape his wife? Both are degrading to women.

And what about the women victims in Bountiful who have been taught that they will burn in Hell if they do not completely submit to their polygamous husbands?

Before we cast too many stones at Afghanistan, perhaps we should stand up to the injustices that befall women who are raised in Canada to be subservient to men, and our law permits it under the umbrella of religious freedom. Who will stand up for our little girls and tell them they do not have to believe that they will go to hell for choosing when they want to have sex and with whom?


Laura Langstaff
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oh pullease, no more criticism from Canadians who have sat back and watched the suppression of Aboriginal woman for centuries. Let's ask the Aboriginal Justice Directorate of Justice Canada how many Aboriginal women have been raped at home, or worse by priests and even more often the RCMP. Canada should clean up its own performance before telling another country how to treat women. I mean the Metis Nation was founded by European men who thought women were chattle, took Aboriginal women to wife had kids and then abandoned them when the white women decided to sashay across the ocean. Oh wait, I forgot, Aboriginal woman are not considered 'ordinary, everyday Canadians' (Flaherty)


an inconvenient truce
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This is simply none of our business.

They are going to do what they want to do, as we would, as anyone would, as it has been for all time...

Jack Layton "Damanding" a response? Hey Jack, get a job.


Jeff S.
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How many feminist-liberal types are going to start supporting the war now?


RICHIE
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These are the types of laws the Taliban want to impose. So to say that we are there to root out the Taliban is pretty ridiculous if you see their Sharia law policies being passed by government officials. I say leave Afghanistan and spend our money protecting OUR borders and OUR people from terrorist organizations. Ottawa should start with the Hell's Angels who sell methamphetamine, produce car bombs or "IED's", and have infiltrated the Canadian Revenue Agency for citizens addresses and names.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Citizen of Canada

"Can someone remind me why we are there??"
__________________

Sure; I'd be happy to...

We're there to reprogram a breeding ground for terrorism by shining the light of freedom and democracy on a "dark" place in which human rights are not fully respected.

There you go.


Laurie
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" a culture that protects women's rights in Afghanistan, it's not going to take place in the eight years that has passed"

Oh please, it's still obviously a mans' world, western women have only had the right to vote for 80 years out of what, thousands?

Move over men and let we women have a shot at this....we couldn't do any worse!!!!!


Irwin Martin Bachmann
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What Canadians don't know is that Shia or Sharia laws very similar to this exist throughout the Middle and Far East in various and disguised religious forms and many immigrants to Canada actually practise some of this


The view from Niagara
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This is exactly why we SHOULD be there fighting for freedom. You liberals pretend your moraly superior to others yet don't want to defend the same freedoms you enjoy. Think about others for once!


Fatman
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One step forward, three back! This is unreal! And why? According to the story Afganistan's Karzai needs the vote of the Shia people and it appears he's willing to sacrafice rights of Shia women to get it. This time around it appears he's willing to see legislation passed in the Afgan parliament to make it unlawful for a Shia woman to refuse sex with her husband and also to forbid her from leaving home without her husband's permission. Could it be that if you were to remove this guy's robes you would find "TALIBAN" tattooed across his back. I'm beginning to think so!

I hope this is all some gross misunderstanding but something inside tells me it isn't!



Sal Pakesh
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Okay Mr. Layton, why are you so outraged. After all, you want to sit down and talk with the Taliban rather than try to fight them. This is the type of mindset the Taliban have, so, do you want to put up or shut up Jack? You cannot have your cake and eat it to Jack. It is politicians like yourself who will use any situation to try to better position yourself for votes. Canadian troops are over there fighting for their rights and yet you want to bring them back home or have them cease fighting before the job is done. Makes no sense to me, nor do your politics.


John
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Look, this is their culture and we have to accept it. We're in Afghanistan so that Canadians working abroad, like New York (and here) don't get blown up - however else they decide to run their country is up to them and you are all hypocrites for saying otherwise.


Jim - Calgary
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Perhaps Jack Layton might consider going to Afghanistan to express his personal outrage and disappointment over this issue. At the same time he could have his long overdue tea party with the Taliban.

How this man can believe for one moment that 21st Century western values are going to have any impact on a culture that totally rejects our social systems and which, for the most part, is still living in the first millenium is beyond me.





Heather
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isn't it just like the NDP to blame the Canadian government for this! How can Stephen Harper control legislation in other countries? He has a hard enough time trying to pass legislation here! Jack Layton needs to pull his head out of the sand(or wherever it is!) and get real!


JEAN LABELLE
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If they want to go back to
Taliban ideology...BRING OUR
TROOPS HOME NOW!


Rockstar
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I have never been the person to say pull out our troops, but PULL OUT OUR TROOPS!!!!!! This is beyond comprehension! This is not the freedom I think of. The Afghan Government is watching Allied forces spend billions of dollars on their freedom as well as a huge loss of life while they sit back and create such barbaric and inhumane laws. PULL OUR TROOPS Mr. Prime Minister. Sickening!!!!


Ben
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Can someone remind me why we're defending their government? This is ridiculous, it's pretty obvious that we're sacrificing a lot for nothing. Maybe our troops should be defending people that deserve help. Elsewhere.


A Soldier thats been there
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The fact of the matter is that this is the way of life in Afghanistan. In fact things that are more disgusting then that do happen over there.

At least girls can now go to school in Afghanistan and give some time the culture will evolve to something to that of Canada hopefully.

How long ago was it in Canada that men beat there wives and women weren't allowed to vote?

Give these people time and don't judge there culture. We are the ones that are backwards to them remember.


Charles, Nanaimo B.C
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What is so inexplicable is why everyone is up in arms about Karzai doing exactly what Obama said he had a right to do only a couple of days ago, yet no one said a word about the president's speech.

Yet he made his position perfectly clear. He said, not once, but repeatedly, "Let me make it quite clear. We are in Afghanistan for one reason and one reason only. To defeat Al Quada".

He went on to say, it was not America's job, to dictate how the Aghan's ran their country, or what kind of governance they chose.

He also made it clear that the Taleban was only on their radar because of their connections to Al Quada.
Yet, not a single peep of protest about this speech. But then, he is still some kind of Messiah to many.
So, to all those posting on here about this being the reason for being there. It might well be to Canadians, but it doesn't seem to be a sentiment shared by their Messiah.


Rockstar
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Then again we are a country which continues to do business with China!!! Human Rights anyone? Everything in Government is about money, not people.


Rick in NB
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Funny how Harper slammed China's president about human rights, but say he is concerned about sticking his nose in Afganistan's laws because they are a soverign nation.
What's the difference?
I want to know. Somebody please comment.


annie, ontario
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This country supports the U.S. who execute murderers. This country supports Islam countries that force religion on people at gun point. This counry supports all maner of countries that have different moral codes than our own.

Canada is fighting the taliban/al-qaida, not trying to change a society that is thousands of years older than our own.

To link this event with what our troops are there for shows a real lack of knowledge of our military missions purpose.


just a guy
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"Ex-Canadian" has it exactly right. Well said and the best comment on the true, un-alterable situation in Afghanistan I have ever seen written here. We in the West can p*ss and moan about Afghanistan all we want but we will never turn them into Canada or the US or any other Western country. We can, however, influence them in a way that leads to eventual change ... perhaps. "Tolerance" has many meanings and not just the meaning we in the West attach to it or wish it meant. Yup, "ex-Canadian", well said indeed.


Rod from the Rock
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Relax, it wasn't so long ago that we were a little backward ourselves.

It wasn't that long agao and we would have stoned you for drawing a unflattering picture of the pope.

Let's face it, until they wake up and cut their religous leaders and their kooky followers loose, they will have to get use to this BS. Until then anything we do, will be for target practice purposes.


Lisa Watmough
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If this law is passed by President Karzai then why are we even there? If this is how they want to treat women then we must leave this country to their own demise right away! This is an out rage for human rights in that country! Our soilders are then fighting with their lives for just what exactly??? I hope this President does not do this!!!! This is wrong! We have tried to help these people but you just can not change the way they think! We can't stay and fight for a country that treats women and girls this way!


Doug (BC)
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Isn't this what the group Real Women stand for?


SF
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To this issue I have add that women are abused and the law it's always in it's abuser side, own experience my daughter was sexually abused at her early age of two, and until now no one has ever help to do justice.


A Voice From Ottawa
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How arrogant it is for us, one of several western powers in Afghanistan, to impose our standards of living and laws on a country who is just steps out of the stone age. These Afghans want peace on their terms and if it means the current leadership under President Hamid Karzai has to appease the Taliban elements in its democratically elected government than so be it.

Other than overthrowing and taking regional control of the Afghan government this is a bitter pill we will have to swallow. But it does make me wonder even more, why are our soldiers over there in harms way if the government is going to give in to the Taliban anyway? What a waste of time, energy, money and blood of our future generations.


Melissa
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Folks do an aweful lot of complaining about Canada, about the taxes, the recession, politics, etc., etc., but I'd rather be Canadian ANYDAY than have this be a part of my life.

I think we all owe our vets credit for giving us this freedom.


Shannon - Montreal
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Can someone remind me why we are there??

The article give you the answer. Those who believe in these practices are barbaric and exercise their rights by force. So, we send the military on an extremely dangerous, but necessary mission.

We send aid, education, and development to change minds over the long haul to sepak to the hearts and minds of people conditioned to be suspicious of others.

Is this not evident in the essence of Sharia law - law made to satisfy those who seek to make something theirs - even believing a man can own a woman - since they trust no one, not even themselves. So, 'cover me with a law that not only gives me what I want but legitamizes what I may do since it's all about me'.

Higher ways requires higher purposes or all suffer, even the abusers, at the whims of their own insatiable urges. Unless this rot is stopped, it will spread like the plague it is.

You ask "why"? You just read the answer 'Citizen of Canada'. To be there is part of what it means to be Canadian.


Jockey Grace
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I am horrified that Shia women might lose their right to say 'no' to their husbands... but I am not surprised. I think it's terrific that certain middle eastern countries continue to oppose 'Western ways', but individual rights (both male and female) are not 'western' or religious. They should be the foundation and staple in every society. Maybe the first step we should take is to educate men on how to respect women... Then you can educate women and children freely.


BMIA
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I hope this opens up Jack Layton's eyes to the NDP candidates that run in elections that are pro Sharia Law in Canada (more specifically Ontario and Quebec). He has to stop endorsing these candidates.

Thankfully McGuinty was pressured to reject Marion Boyd's Report on the Arbitration Act or Ontario could be faced with the dilemma of advocating Sharia Law.


Jockey Grace
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Ahhh Fatman.
You said it.


Linda in Vancouver
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"Roland Godin" makes some very good points.We will certainly fight Karzai on this issue,but we are not without our own sins in our own country.
That said,Afghanistan is in election mode.We should all keep our pwder dry.We can be of no help to women and children there if we simply pack up and leave extremists to run the show.
Oddly.the same people who oppose the violence of war seem willing to leave these people to the violence of their husbands.The same people address EVERY issue with the same political biases.
There is no western style government being imposed on the people of Afghanistan.I see western governments providing secutity so the people of Afghanistan can CHOOSE their own form of government.For now,what we can do is tell them that we recognize their right to choose,BUT,once they've made a choice that goes against basic human rights for ALL the people,THEY are going to have to defend the values they have chosen.We cannot.
I think nation building is an on-going process.It is never finished,it takes years to see any real changes,it takes decades to build infrastructure,and it takes generations for past hostilities to be put aside.
In the modern,fast food world we live in,patience is in short supply.The people of Afghanistan have an idea where they want to go.They just don't know how to get there on their own,and have few resources for the journey.We all have to show patience as they go through these painful steps.
This is not the time to give up on these people.If the vast majority decide to go that way,then we have to leave.We will be victorious by the reality that we will have given them the right to choose.


Rob
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Citizen of Canada... please use your head!!!! This what we are fighting against.


Sebastien
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It's like letting a man take a woman hostage legally. I hope Canada or US will help the woman of Afghanistan. If they don't, I'm ashamed and they should be ashamed of themselves!


Dalton Lochead
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What? This is rediculous, why are our troops over there fighting for this, this makes me sick and i don't know why we have people allowing rape in this world!


Simon James, Vancouver
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Afghanistan has a puppet government installed by the United States which until recently was led by a religious fundamentalist, and so I don't find it surprising that rape there is legalized within marriage.

Iraq was an advanced, soverign, secular nation until the U.S. government (with Canadian government assistance) illegally blockaded, bombed, invaded and occupied it, killing over 1 million people, mostly children. Now Iraq is also run by religious fundamentalists.


Derek
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Democracy must be fought for by those who suffer under the yoke of oppression. It cannot be done for you. When is the West going to come to this realization and stop wasting time, money, and innocent lives in this misguided pursuit?


Brian
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Sure we're there for nation building and human rights. That's why NATO bombs the hell out of the place, detains and tortures anyone it pleases, and sets up a puppet government with a former US oil company man as president and ruthless war/drug lords as the cabinet. Then we allow the poppy crops to flourish and flood the region with armaments. Still think it's about helping people?


Adam
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And were helping them do this?.......Isnt this what we were trying to prevent?


mel
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A country like Afghanistan will contine to pass laws like this as long as the world remains silent when contries like Saudi Arabia have laws like this. We must remain uniform with our condemnation of the virtual enslavement of women in any country. Just because they have oil and money and are seen as partners, Saudi Arabia should not get off clean.


DRB
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If there were ever a reason to "pull out" ...


Canadian male
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Please remember these are the same laws (Sharia law) that were requested to be put in place in Ontario and was struck down. This is closer to home also. It is sad when part of our population has limited rights


Mark from Sask
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This makes me more supportive of the War. We need to support the Women from these Barbarians. But I'm Starting to think that an all Out Invasion overthrowing the Government would be the only way to accomplish this.


YA from Toronto ON
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Folks, please understand these people. In past everyone has used the term Islamic laws and Muslim terrorists. These are illiterate people with a life style 1000 years ago. I am a Muslim and I can tell you that there is no where in Qur’an or anywhere else where this is legal or even remotely hinted. If anything, Islam is the only religion protecting Women’s right. They have the right to refuse marriage, can choose not only their spouse but their career, become politicians, doctors or even join army if they choose to do so.

Afghanistan is ruled by the so called Muslim clerics who themselves cannot even write their own name. This is why people like Usama Bin Laden and other idiots have exploited this region for their personal and I might add Islamically forbidden agenda.

We need to educate the people as whole and perhaps in about 30-40 years we might see some results. The elders must die and along with them their ways. Education is the key.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Lost Cause:

"All this garbage we've been told about little girls going to school to sugarcoat the horrendous truth... it ain't right."
_________________

If you were at all informed about Afghanistan, and the important operational role of our military there, you wouldn't be so (apparently) shocked and outraged.

I'm disappointed. For someone who enjoys waging political war against those who support our mission in Afghanistan, you don't seem to be hip to the underlying circumstances.


Hangman
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Do a Google on Afghanistan Man Boy Love and see what comes up. They are a messed up, abusive culture. Over there women are for babies, boys are for fun. Our soldiers have to witness it and turn a blind eye because it is part of "their culture" to sexually abuse boys. I have no idea why we are attempting to save this insane country. The boys and women should be safe gaurded under threat of prison and shot-on-sight policy. The politicians behind this should be hung as an example.


gaelynn wall
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You do realize that they are trying to bring separate Shia law into Canada also. And they are receiving serious consideration by Canadians. How long before it is legal for Shias to rape women in Canada?


Military Wife In Shilo MB
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I think that we have given our husbands, wives, mother, fathers, sons and Daughters to this cause long enough ......it is obvious that this country is showing us that they do not wish for the same culture as ours.... yes we are doing what we can over there to keep our home front safe but at what cost? bring them home, strengthen the home front and that should be it ......

They are obviously shying towards the culture of the Taliban so let them face it on their own ..... The big Question remains to be un answered. Is what we are doing, giving and sacrificing going To be in Vain .....Strengthen the homefront!!!!! and bring our soldiers home for a mus=ch needed break


Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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This is a tribal culture whose laws have been based on,in some case's strict religious doctrine.
There hasn't been much in the line of civilization for decade's as there has been only conflict and war.The politic's of this are what is driving this as the government see's the only way to bring the more moderate of the Taliban into the process and off the battlefield is to give in to the more strict Islamist's.

This is not something western country's want to read about but it may be something that culturally these more religious fundamentalist Shia can accept.We are not in a position to dictate to the Afghan government as they are an independent nation regardless of the sacrifice's we may make.

This is a long and arduous road we must travel to see that country prosper and for them to evolve into a socially progressive democracy with all the baggage they carry may take generations. This is something as hard as it is too swallow we may have to accept otherwise as we are not their to force our society and it's view's on another culture but to secure and protect the chance for a more progressive modern society.

Most of those within Afghanistan want that and chances are those who are fighting against it now will too as their standard of living improve's and life is more secure.


Get Real
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Get real ex-Canadian. In NO CULTURE is it acceptable to rape your spouse, daughter, mother etc.. NO WOMAN has to go through that.

So if a culture practices human sacrifices against ex-Canadians, is that acceptable to you as well ex-Canadian? Puh-leaze!




Tim in Victoria
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If this is simply a political move, shame on Karzai for playing with human emotion... as though it means nothing to him, or in a general sense, that women being raped is the end consequence. What a fool.

I wonder how Karzai sleeps at night, considering the burden he now bears from the screams of all the women that will now suffer under this archaic legislation.

"Cultural differences" aside, the brutalisation of women is in no way acceptable, and the fact that this is a legitimate political issue in an election campaign shows just how truly backwards Afghanistan is and how we are wasting our time defending ideals that, 7 1/2 years after invading, a large proportion of the Afghan people are still unwilling to accept.


Sharon - Calgary
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We are there fighting Terrorism, not their culture. Their cultural beliefs are NONE of our business. Terrorism isn't part of the culture, it's a group of extremists that the western media has portrayed as the majority when in fact that isn't true. As wrong/stupid/backwards or however else this may seem to you, remember that they think woman having the rights we do here is just as stupid. I'm all for women's rights and would fight like HELL if someone was trying to take them away from me, BUT that's because I was raised in a culture where woman are equal, that's just not a reality in all cultures. Who's to say that we're right and they're wrong? Leave them be.


p
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Bring back our troups! Why we're sacrificing our soldiers for these ingrates! They don't want freedom! They want sharia law. Bring back our troups NOW!


Conservative Mike
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Hey "an inconvenient truce"

RE: "This is simply none of our business."

Keep hiding under your rock and let Canadians, and the people with enough guts to take the lead in combating injustice around the world, handle these issues.

And the next time YOU feel peeved because someone has infringed on YOUR rights, just remember "its none of your business, people are going to do what they want to do" no matter who they step on.

In the meantime, stand aside, and let the critics lamblast Karzai and the rest of the Afghani government for this stupid capitulation to Shia and Taliban pressure...


Canadian
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CANADA WOW, what a brave stand for women's rights.

Have you Canadians ever looked into your own society and the rights of women being violated here? Take a look at the PROSTITUTIONS that exists in Canada.

Fix your OWN women rights first then talk about other countries' WOMEN RIGHTS.

I dont support the laws being established in Afghanistan at all, but for as longs the CORRUPTED GOVERNMENT is in power there you will hear and watch very very strange stories.

Its their culture, it their country. People do not know that the Talibans were blamed for this, but in fact this had been happening in Afghanistan for the past 100 years, way before TALIBANS were even thought off.

Pray for the safety of our men and women in uniform rather then interfering in their cultural perspectives.


~The Mage~
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Adam said:

"And were helping them do this?.......Isnt this what we were trying to prevent?"

No. We are trying to drive the Taliban out of Afghanistan for their acts of war against a NATO member on 9/11. We're at war with terror, not mysogyny. This is a millenia-old, culturally-ingrained, and religiously oriented ideology that cannot and will not be dislodged in any amount of time, short of evacuating every Middle-Eastern male and female under the age of 5, and sterilizing the remaining population, which of course, would be eugenics, and highly unethical.


Andrea in Ottawa
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I think this is disgusting!

Women in Canada are far more modernized then the women in the Middle East. It is no wonder women in the middle east countries want to immigrate to Canada.They want to live in a country where their rights are protected.

Now these days in Canada, women can marry who they want, no matter what the churches say. They even have the right to live with another women, or not to get married.Not everybody wants marriage.

Religion is one of the reasons why people fight , and the main reason why some people are going non religious, or keeping their beliefs to themselves.


kathleen
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I know that the road to women's equality is a long one (and has been for us, a centuries long struggle) but I feel, in order to fight terrorism, it is imperative to empower the women. These powerless women breed spoiled male children(hoping they'll be allowed to live once the child is older) children who, once they grow up and realize life doesn't revolve around their needs, grow up to be terrorists. (That's how muslim women describe it.) World Wars have served to springboard feminism forward a la suffrage, let this war do the same for the Afghans.


Keith in Brampton
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A law such as this goes completely against the principles our soldiers have given their lives to protect. Passage of such a law is essentially spitting on the graves of the Canadian (and other) soldiers who have died there deending against this very kind of behaviour.

Until now, I've been behind our mission in Afghanistan. However, if this is the kind of "democracy" we are defending, then it's time to cut our losses and come home. Let them shed their OWN blood.


GG
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While I support our troops efforts in Afghanistan...this latest boondoggle doesnt surprise me in the least...it is naive for us to think we can simply go over there and transform a culture that we have no idea about. While we proclaim this latest local custom rule to be outrageous..and it is.. on the most basic of human rights levels....this is also why this mission is and will be a failure. Not because of our troops but because of the mandate it was given. This is also why the West is so vilified so much from that part of the globe. We are seen as trampling and cultural cleansing on their way of life..as barbaric as it may seem or truly be, at times. As we become a globalized planet, interedependent on each other's sovereign nations, we must come together to discuss how to deal with these kind of issues. The United Nations(UN) needs to take an active role in bringing our nation worlds a lot closer together in a way that dignifies each regions specific culture and yet ensure basic human rights are developing in a progressive way. While as a nation our Canadian government and economy is supposed to raise the standard of life for ALL Canadians...the challenge we have.. is how Planet Earth can do the same thing for all of its inhabitants ? in a safe, orderly and respectful way. Not an easy task as we are currently learning..the hard way....with our own blood and treasure.


Ostrich, meet dirt
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to Conservative Mike:

That rock he's under is planet earth.

Pick up a copy of "The Shock Doctrine" then make an educated statement.

You take for granted that other cultures consider our society "enlightened". Wrong.

They are not one dimensional, this way of life makes sense to them, regardless of what we think about it.

MYOB


willvo
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anyone who supports this law has serious issues, rape is a disgusting crime!!!


Jay
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Dear "Citizen of Canada",

In answer to your question, "Can someone remind me why we are there??", there is only one legitimate answer that is credible; We are in Aphganistan to stabilize a country which is located strategically close enough to the OPEC nations to effect the oil trade.

We are there at the behest of those who have a vested interest in oil flowing from OPEC to non-OPEC nations. This is because--true to Henry Kissinger's 1970's oil deal--it props up the U.S. dollar at an artificially high level. Part of the Kissinger deal calls for 20% of all money paid to OPEC nations by non-OPEC nations for oil (US Dollars only, thankyou very much) to go directly into buying the U.S. national debt. You can see that if this oil trade were to be disrupted, then, that the U.S. dollar would be swiftly devalued. This is because there would be no credible assets (OPEC oil) upon which to base the U.S. debt, and by extension its' currency.

Now, both the U.S. government and the uber-rich of the world have based most of their equity in U.S. dollars(NYSE.) Therefore, any disruption in trade will cause a collapse in the economy of the U.S. and the pocket-books of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.

It is for these reasons, then--propping up the U.S. economy, as well as the fortunes of the "great men" of this world--that our sons and daughters are dying in Aphganistan.

Is there anything in it for us, you might ask? Yes; a healthier U.S. economy means a healthier Canadian economy, which means jobs for us. The question is whether you think that is worth the cost. If it isn't, then we need to bring the troops home and tighten our belts.

The choice is ours...unless the Western governments decide to suspend democracy.



Michelle - DND
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Here's a thought - let Afghan women vote and see if they support Karzai on this topic.

When women have an equal voice (vote), and about 20 years of deprogramming, and another generation or two of young boys who are brought up to respect women, then the country will join the human race.


Tony
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This has happened before when the US invades other countries and have undermined the women's developing rights. Read Bitter Pill.


Kris D.
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It's time for a new strategy. We've been there for 8 years and things just seem to be getting more effed up by the day. Drug trade is growing, women are being abused, Taliban is taking more control...

It's time for new leadership at NATO. This has been a colossal failure.


John Waner
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Leave it to the Americans and British, they won't stand for these backward laws.


Addy
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Up to now, I have supported the war to defend Afgans, but it the Afgan government passes this law it is a clear signal that Afganistan is not interested in supporting Human Rights or international law and we should withdraw our troops immediately. Our troops are not there to be complicit in the rape and tourture of women and girls.


Ange, Ottawa
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This latest development in Afghan legislation supports the reason all the more that Canada and NATO allied forces should be there to demonstrate through awareness and through its women in the military as rolemodels to the Afghan population that there is an alternative to the religious culture and they still can practice in the Islam tradition.

Pulling our troops will only reinforce those old traditions and with the return of the Taliban with more of those old traditions that we abhor in the Western hemisphere will be enforced.


barb
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Now I know it is time to get out!!!

Fighting for people who think of women as property!


Confused in Canada
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Question: What did everyone think happens over there? And what is so special about Afghanistan? We should be in half the countries in the world trying to save everyone. Bottom line, we will never turn that country into a democratic peaceful nation. Stop killing our youth needlessly. I cry every time I see another young soldier coming home in a body bag. And for what????


Female Mason
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Thank you for my rights. I take full responsibility and advantage of being an educated Canadian female.


Pip
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To all those quick-draw typists who read the headline and then posted: Read the last couple of paragraphs:
"human rights groups work with Afghan politicians and citizens to ensure that laws reflect the Afghan constitution as well as other, more progressive, laws that are passed in other countries.

However, it's work that could take generations.

"Culture is something that takes years, decades, even centuries to develop. And when we're talking about developing a culture of human rights and a culture that protects women's rights in Afghanistan, it's not going to take place in the eight years that has passed since the fall of the Taliban," Wodzicki said.

That's right, it is Afghanistan's culture that brought about the law. I have no doubt that Afghanis who read about Canada permitting Gay marriage would have responded in exactly the same way as you, had they the means to do so. Yet it was our developing culture that let marriage between consenting adults be extended to same-sex partnerships. Afghan culture still has to grow into the concept of gender equality and democracy, the work of generations.

In the meantime, that law got passed by politicians responding to their needs; the need to get re-elected by their constituents. Guess what, the same thing happens here in Canada. The only difference is that Canada has become a secular nation, and a law that supports the tenets of a fundamentalist minority would not get passed and apply to the majority.

Or would it. . . Bountiful, anyone?


Adam
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Makes me feel that our soldiers should concentrate on liberating the poor women.

This human rights issue is very critical and should be resolved.


Dave in Manotick
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Good comments, but some not so good ideas. If you think the women there have it bad now, then go ahead with your threats, pull out our soldiers, and see how everyone likes the Taliban. Their society may not be perfect by our standards, but it is a damn site better than it was, and progress is being made.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Sharon - Calgary:

"I'm all for women's rights and would fight like HELL if someone was trying to take them away from me... Who's to say that we're right and they're wrong?"
________________

Yikes! I had to stop and read your comment twice. Coming from a woman, it's rather unbelievable.

Let me help you with your moral compass on this issue: It is WRONG to deny any innocent human being their freedom, as this is an inalienable human right.

It's NOT a cultural issue. Every living soul is born with the right to be FREE. Forcing this righteous “law” upon another society, of course, is a profound challenge.


Gary
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This is the fundamental reason we will never be ultimately successful there...the mission should have been to find Bin Laden and as many Al Qaeda who terrorize our freedom. The idea we were somehow there to transform their culture and to democracize their country was absurd from the get go. So why again are we really there ? The world has many places where it is less developed than Canada or the West. Think of the genocides,the oppressive regimes etc ...so many many many places. We must intervene when absolutely necessary but we must also help these places be educated so they can determine when and how they might progress on their own. When we start to influence other sovereign countries religion and culture we are asking for big time trouble and major resistance. We need strong global leadership to ' help' nations who 'want' to change and to intervene to prevent atrocities of genocidal proportions.


Bluenose
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MHB, I think you are the hypocrite! On another blog you are supporting Galloway and his poisonous support of terrorists. Now, you are saying you want human rights. Obviously you are very confused about these issues. You cannot support Islamist extremists and womens rights at the same time. They do not go together. No wonder you hate our PM, as we are united against your kind of ideology, and attempts to cause upset and chaos.


Check the Facts First
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YA

Where in the world do you get the notion Islam is the 'only religion to protect women's rights'? Nonsense. You seem unfamiliar with both the Hebrew Scriptures of the Christian Bible.

If you took even 30 mintes to read these Scriptures ni the context of their entirety and not selected phrases cut and pasted to create an opinion, you would find men and women are equal before God. Both were created in God's image. Both are equally valued by God and are to value each other.

Bring the facts. Leave the fiction behind.


Ashley Jade Heyland
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I fully agree that woman's rights are a matter of moral relativity rather than cultural relativity, and as such need be enforced. However,I also recognize that Canada's history of Female oppression is far from ancient history.

As Canadians in 2009, it too easy to point the finger at other nations and call them "uncivilized", "barbaric", or "evil", however in doing that we seem to be turning a blind eye to our own nation's struggle with Woman's civil rights. After all, it was not until 1983 that a woman could charge her husband with rape in Canada. Were we then "uncivilized"? In that case, when did Canada become a civilized country?
I think by merely pointing to one aspect of one cultural group in an entire nation's history doth not a good judgment make. It is a far cry from a well rounded understanding of the Afghan people to point to recent, and dare say acutely extremest, aspects of their policies, religions, and cultural groups as being a fair representation of their national character in totality. Thus, it may be more productive to label specific laws, parts of cultures, and individual beliefs as "uncivilized" rather than an entire nation!


Greg in Cambridge
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Great! Let's let more of them come here so they can gradually change out laws here to suit them.
Wait...that's happening now thanks to our politicians.
Stop the floodgates!


Russ
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Can we all just calm down a bit? Rape was legal within marriage in Canada until just recently. And it ain't just AFghanistan - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MaritalRapeMap.gif

I'm not saying it's right, but surely it's simplistic to label it as a question of civilization v. barbarity.


John S
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Why aren’t the Muslims living in the West outraged by this and protesting in the streets?


Jake
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Men had the right to rape there wife in Canada... until 1982.

Cause many problems when they were separated but still legally married. Look it up.

Before being so critical of others, look to your own past.


Wilson
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Bryan from Winnipeg wrote:

I'm pretty sure out #1 priority in Afghanistan is to battle terrorism. It's not like we're there just hanging out because we think the Afghan govt is some super cool guys. Let's not get involved in THEIR politics. Our government should be worrying about hunting down those terrorists, not this.


Point taken, however see a trend here? Countries where women are continually denied basic human rights = countries that produce a disproportionate number of terrorists.

Seems to be a connection, perhaps we SHOULD be worrying about this!



Alberta Believer
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"It is stories like this that make me wonder why some people are still against the FREE WORLD helping these people."

Its because these people don't want to be free. Its not that they are passive about not wanting to be free but they are actively resisting their own freedom by saying that "God wills it." Anybody who is as religious as orthodox muslims who decides to defend something on the rationale that "God wills it" is not going to be convinced anytime soon Soldier. Freedom of conscience is an apostacy in Islam punishable by death. How can you "help" people who believe such things?

And if you think that is is just one law... you're wrong, its just the tip of the iceberg.

Look at this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Afghanistan

This is a brief discription of the Afghan Constitution. It states in the Religion section, no law can contradict the beliefs and provisions of Islam. Ever read the Quran Soldier? That book is fodder for more such obsene laws which we'll all see coming out of Afghanistan in the months and years to come, I promise you.



Alberta Believer
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"oh pullease, no more criticism from Canadians who have sat back and watched the suppression of Aboriginal woman for centuries. Let's ask the Aboriginal Justice Directorate of Justice Canada how many Aboriginal women have been raped at home, or worse by priests and even more often the RCMP. Canada should clean up its own performance before telling another country how to treat women. I mean the Metis Nation was founded by European men who thought women were chattle, took Aboriginal women to wife had kids and then abandoned them when the white women decided to sashay across the ocean. Oh wait, I forgot, Aboriginal woman are not considered 'ordinary, everyday Canadians' (Flaherty)"

Laura this is not even close and for you to compare the human rights values of Canada to Afghanistan makes you a loon.

Be a feminist, be pro aboriginal, push for gender and racial equality but how does expressing such nutty radical ideas help? Are you really going to say that Canada treats aboriginals and women worse or comparable to how Afghaistan treats women?

Of course we've sinned here in Canada but extremists does not a good argument make. Lets not forget the apology with dollars attached by the federal government to survicors of residential schools last June. Lets not forget that said residential schools are closed. Lest not forget that most of Canada's attrocities committed against aboriginals happened yesteryear!

Coupled with the affirmative action programs, and cash benefits afforded aboriginals by all levels of government, your comments here embarras not just the governments, yourself and women, but aboriginals themselves few of whom would endorse such statements.



Oil for Peace
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Whats the fuss about ? This isn't new. Canada regards Saudi Arabia as a great friends.
In Saudi Arabia Women :

1 - make up 70% of those enrolled in universities, but just 5% of the
workforce in Saudi Arabia
2 - It happened recently when a woman, victim of a gang rape, was sentenced by a
Saudi court to six months in prison and 200 lashes for violating laws on
segregation of the sexes, as she was in an unrelated man's car at the time of
the attack
3 Women are not allowed to drive or ride bicycles on public roads in large cities
4 Saudi Arabia is one of the few countries in the 2008 Olympics without a female
delegation
5 Oh and they cant vote either

mmm but they do have some nice Oil fields.........


Canadian revert
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Let's all pause for a minute!

Was not Karzai put in place as president by the United States?

And didn't Obama recently say they plan on putting more troops in Afghanistan?

These are all politicians creating such scenarios.

None of the holy books; the Gospels or the Quran state "you may rape your wife".

This is all politically staged. Another political, economical reason for sticking our nose into Afghanistan and Iraq in order to stay there longer.

These type of news get your skin burning because you think we should stay there liberating them by trying to impose laws regarding what WE believe is right or wrong in THEIR land.

"According to the Catholic church it is a sin for a woman to spurn her husbands sexual advances. It just stops short of condoning rape"

We got priests here molesting little boys in Canada, incest cases like Fritzl and monster of Mariquita in Colombia, countless crooks committing murders and being caught with child porn and getting away with doing 2 years in jail. Why don't you let the 'Layton's' and 'Harpers' of Afghanistan stick their nose in our Canadian laws and make changes?

And then you wonder why they have such hate against us?


IT Manager from Edmonton
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The government should tell Jack Layton they plan to respond to this by taking his advice and leaving Afghanistan all together. Let's see his reaction then!

It's beyond reason how the left simply does not "get it".


julebran
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I believe the war in Afghanistan is being waged for control of the heroin (poppy) drug trade.


MHB
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To Bluenose: "MHB, I think you are the hypocrite. You cannot support Islamist extremists and womens rights at the same time.". Clearly, you have things confused in your mind!. I never said that I support this bizarre law or the narrow minded people who approved it but I was only commenting on the position of our government. This same government that is crying over the rights of women in Afghanistan is the same government that supported intentional killing of women and children in Gaza as proved by Israeli and international organizations. This is called double standard and hypocrisy and it is not new to the government of Mr. Harper.


Conservative Mike
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Well Mr Ostrich,

Thanks for the "enlightened" statement. If 116+ Canadian lives are being sacrificed, then we have every right to pressure Karzai into NOT capitulating to Taliban demands.

Call me ethnocentric if it makes you feel better, but there is no way Canada should be supporting this law, and our presence in Afghanistan gives us every right to complain about it.

The rock you are hiding under is NOT Planet Earth, but the same blind eye of naivety that "what happens over there doesn't concern or affect me."

I will read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" (I assume that's the one you mean) while I recommend you take a college-level history course & learn about what happens when governments (Western, Eastern, Islamic, I don't care which) stand idly by and allow other nations to pass legislation like the one the Karzai government is tolerating...



JP
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@ ex-Canadian

This isn't a flipping episode of Star Trek. We have every right in the world to impose our culture on other humans, especially when it's obviously better for them.

How do we know our culture is better? Go live over there for a year and then decide for yourself. There is no sovereignty in instituted domestic abuse and xenophobia.


Saladin
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To "John S": Recently the Pope critcized the use of condoms in African nations where people are dying in their thousand because of AIDs. This drew criticism from many organization world wide. Why we did not see Christians all over the world demonstrating against the Pope?. Most muslims would definitely disagree with this bizarre law but why would you want them to demonstrate in their millions whenever a radical group of muslims issue a stupid law or a nonesense statement?.


Darlene, NS
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I am unbelievably proud of Canadians right now :)

When I first read this I was as outraged as many on this blog. But then I realized something amazing. Barely 25 years ago, these were OUR laws - these were our women who were raped within marriage and kept as chattel. Today, I am reading as many comments condemning the practice from men as I am from women. Some of you are genuinely SHOCKED that people and societies could find it acceptable. Twenty-five years ago the shock was for the idea that it wasn't acceptable.

Societies CAN change - Canadians are living proof of this. Afghanistan can change, too. But it will no more happen overnight than it did here in Canada. Hang in there. Don't walk away or give up - there are millions of future Afghani women depending on our guidance. We can prevail. We've done it as a society ourselves :)


Neil
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Who would have thought that that Afghani leaders would someday have to worry about answering to their Canadian foreign masters.


Lin-Z
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not to be a downer here as i am TOTALLY against this law, however even in north america, i can't remember when the law changed, but within the last 30-40 years (not long when you think about it!) a spouse could NOT be charged with rape because under the eyes of the law (depending on the circumstance, even today), a married couple is considered one entity/person! same reason why spouses do not have to testify against one another if they so choose! and why taxes and tax breaks are different if you are living under one roof!


kc in alberta
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My mother was not legally considered a "person" when she was born here in Canada 87 years ago.

I was an adult before a woman could be considered to have been raped by her legally wedded husband even if the two were separated or otherwise estranged.

We all know these travesties of inequality are no longer in place and that Canada is a far better place for the changes.

We also know that every change was resisted by some and that each battle was hard won.

Progress only happens at the prolonged insistance of progressive people who are willing to act who can convince their government that change is what the majority desires.

We can't do it all for the citizen's and government of Afghanistan, they must also be prepared to progress in their own minds.

Let's demand that the Afghan government not entertain this vile step backwards simply to appease those who will not grow beyond their superstitions and religious dogma.

If the government resists or makes excuses, we should abandon their country as a lost cause.

Somewhere the rubber meets the road and this law should be a litmus test as to whether our further involvement can really help these people.


Alex
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Over 15 million women in that backwards nation are about to get pushed further into the recesses of that medieval society. We shouldn't let that happen.


B. Lang
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Hey if it's part of the Shia minority's culture to do this than who are we as a nation that embrasses multi-culturalism to complain.

Now lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya.


At Least the Afghans are Up Front About It
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You know, I was all prepared to jump on the bandwagon and scream about what a backwards country Afghanistan was and that we should bring our troops home immediately and then I thought...at least they're just being honest and up front with their laws. So they legalize rape within marriage for whatever insane reason. Here in Canada, we like to say that rape--I don't even think we call it rape anymore. We call it "sexual assault", otherwise the person committing the act would be known as a rapist and that just sounds bad and we can't do that to a criminal--inside or outside of marriage is illegal, but then when someone is found guilty of the crime, they are hardly punished at all thanks to our very laid back justice system so rape may as well be legal here too.


preparing for second deployment
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we are there to find and kill the taliban, and to prevent them from coming here, nothing more, unfortunately we need to do the same in two others countries, pakistan and iran


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Jay:

"We are in Aphganistan to stabilize a country which is located strategically close enough to the OPEC nations to effect the oil trade."
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It's nice to see that someone's still trying to keep this lame "conspiracy theory" alive.

(Aside: Why did you stop short of fingering George Bush as the one who orchestrated 9/11, to justify going into Iraq and Afghanistan? That’s the cherry on the sundae!)

P.S. Being able to spell "Afghanistan" at any point in a comment would enhance the credibility of your theory.


Allan (Vancouver)
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Question:How long does it take to transform a country like Afganistan? Answer: It takes as long as it takes. The point is the people of that country have to stand up and make it happen. Other countries like the US and Canada can help but it's the citizens of a country that actually make the change happen.


David
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This outrage is almost as hilarious as when the West strongly promoted elections in Palestine...until Hamas won. "We want democracy, but not if you vote for THEM." Why don't Western governments just do what they really want - write up all the laws for Afghanistan and force everyone to abide by them? Kill anyone who refuses...
What I find most appalling about "spreading our goodness" around the world is that Western countries are so focused on "fixing" everything else in the world they're losing the battle at home. "Rome is burning" as they say. Maybe this depression will give people some introspection.


Sherry Katrina
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I absolutely believe in our soldiers doing the work they are doing over there. That being said, I do not believe in our soldiers giving up their lives so that the women of Afghanistan can go back into the "Taliban-style Ages" and lose all kinds of freedoms - in fact become less-than-animals. I also don't want my tax money to fund a government that would support this disgusting law.


Michael Nesbitt
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Yeah. Get all outraged. Wasn't it Ontario that came within a hair's breadth of accepting the use of Sharia law just last year?
No, the result of such law is not what we are there for, but we are there for that country to democratically advance, and we have no right to say that they have to advance the same way the West has.



Claude
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How old are we again, 300. They are over 2000 years old. Once again its not about how others live thier live but how we accept the choices others make FOR THEM SELVES. My point? Simple. everyone back to thier own domains and mind your own business.I live here in Canada and can not believe the outrage to this when there is so much we should be outraged about here at home. People please lets fix ourselves first. Hey that may take 2000 years, so lets get started...ok?


Michael Mazur
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Ask any Afghan-Canadian for their opinion on Afghan politics and they will respond with one strong word -- corrupt.

Let's try to understand the situation before saying we know what we're talking about.


TW from sask
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How about using our military power to support human rights? We're already there with what I would assume is substantial influence. I don't need a flashy show of force, but for the powers that be to "nudge" the Afgani gov. I think would be generally seen as a good use of our military.


Free_Speech
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This is the problem with language barriers.
SHAMEFUL ignorant politicians sensationalizing things for their own cause, before getting the full facts.
This type of ignorance costs the live of many.
SHAME
FYI Concerning the law that has passed in Afghanistan, allowing "husbands to rape" is totally FALSE INFO.
The actual law passed
is :
allowing husbands to divorce their wives in case the wife fails in her spousal duty.
This is in regards to family law, to make divorce more easily attainable.
Again media has twisted the facts to promote a hate and a smear campaign.
Using unreliable media sources from lobbyists and counter-agents to further hate.
Total unethical reporting; shame on the politicians that have ignorantly pushed this sort of propaganda.
Sensibility would tell you that the government supported coalition would NOT allow passing legalized rape., Islam itself does NOT allow rape., Rape in the Qur'an carries a heavy penalty !
Is that why Canadians are in Afghanistan, to implement government passed laws supporting rape ? ?


Clint
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If Canada thinks this is the kind of country we want to help out at the military and humanitarian level we really need to rethink who are friends are. This really pisses me off as a CANADIAN!


Jim in Edmonton
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Any surprise why there is no respect for life and the rule of law when this kind of thing is promoted! The bitter reality is now the "west" will have to keep forces there in one kind or another for a very long time to keep an eye on the blood thirsty savages. Our men who died protected our way of life and kept these killers under the gun where they belong.


Derek
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To L Langstaff,

yes canada like every other country has it's abuse issues but we have laws inplace againsts it not supporting it that is the difference so we do get to stand up and speak out. Oh also I am a 27 year old male that has gone to church all my life and never once did i hear my wife has the resposobility to have sex when ever i wanted!!!



Walt
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Give them 1000 -2000 years and they will start thinking more civilized ways.
This is the way this world is going. Stop complaining about Islam and moslem fanatics cuting the heads of their "enemies" off.
Roman Catholic church killed estimated 100 milion "heretics" just because they did not agree with Popes religious fantasies and decided to follow the Bible instead.
Supprised? Expect more in the future. Vatican will get its power to persecute again and the heads will be falling again. Just wait.
Our kids are loosing their lives there for nothing.
The satanic ways of this world will not change.





David
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"It is stories like this that make me wonder why some people are still against the FREE WORLD helping these people".
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"These people" quite obviously do not want our help, and that includes their President, duly elected. Perhaps the time has come to mind our own business.




David
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Hey, PV, give your head a shake! We are there SOLELY because the WTC was attacked. The women were suffering under the Taliban long before 11 Sep 2001 and we did nothing. So let's stop pretending otherwise. There is just the one reason why we went into Afghanistan.


Art in Alberta
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Before we get all high and mighty on another's country's civil liberty laws, let's look at our own first.

Gay people in this country are still not equals in the eyes of the law. This needs to be addressed and ammended before we can truly comment on others.




Dave Canty
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BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!


Jamie
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I feel so sorry for women living in Afghanistan, or any of those other stone aged, barbaric, uncivilized countries that treat women this way. Slavery of any kind should be dead and buried everywhere by this day and age. It would be nice if we could get every single woman out of Afghanistan and let the idiot chauvinist pigs destroy themselves! At least then they won't be able to breed like the cockroaches they are!


Bob in Harley
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Let us first get our facts straight and if what the media tells us is true then we should do two things, firstly pressure their government to stop or change this ridiculous law and secondly it once again proves why we are there....to stop this nonsense.


Nancy - We need Insta Banks
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Women human rights and education will change the middle east forever.

After the Afghan election, we need to change this.

We also need to set up insta banks everywhere and pay people directly and by pass corrupt governemnt officials with Auto deposit on projects and to works and especially police and women civil servents.


Frank Calesso
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Frank, Calgary

If the Afghan government enacts this legislation, then all NATO troops should be immediately withdrawn. NATO should seal off all Afghan borders & western countries should withdraw all economic & political support for this government (including any & all aid).


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