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Date: Tue. Mar. 17 2009 9:42 PM ET
Canada's science minister said that he didn't answer a question about his views on evolution because he says the question is "irrelevant" to his portfolio.
Gary Goodyear, minister of state for science and technology, sparked a controversy when he refused to tell the Globe and Mail whether he believes in the science of evolution. His portfolio was already under fire because of cuts to scientific research councils in the most recent budget.
"I didn't answer the question because it's not relevant to the portfolio, it's not relevant to what we have to do, (to) what Canadians are worried about," Goodyear told CTV Newsnet's Power Play Tuesday. "It's unfortunate a reporter has chosen to take this as something of interest when in fact the focus should be on . . . creating jobs and securing our economic future."
When asked by the newspaper about evolution he responded, "I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate."
But when asked again on Power Play if he believed in the theory of evolution he responded, "Of course, I do."
"We are evolving every year, every decade. That's a fact, whether it's to the intensity of the sun . . . or to the effects of walking on concrete. Of course, we are evolving to our environment. But that's not relevant."
Goodyear said on Power Play that religion has no part in federal science policy.
Most scientists will say that one cannot "believe" in evolution -- that it's a fact backed up by 150 years of research.
Many in the Canadian scientific community expressed shock that Goodyear would invoke religion when asked a question about science.
Brian Alters, founder and director of the Evolution Education Research Centre at McGill University told the Globe and Mail that evolution is a scientific fact and is the foundation of modern biology.
"It is the same as asking the gentleman, 'Do you believe the world is flat?' and he doesn't answer on religious grounds," Dr. Alters told the newspaper. "Or gravity, or plate tectonics, or that the Earth goes around the sun."
Many Christian communities say that evolution is not incompatible with their religion.
In February, the Vatican said that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is compatible with Christianity. The Church of England has also worked to play up Darwin's role in their church.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper's spokesperson, Kory Teneycke, said Goodyear didn't answer the question because it would have made it seem as if religion had a role in science policy.
"It's a dangerous road to go down to make religious beliefs a part of science funding," Teneycke said. "Once you start going down that road, you really are opening Pandora's box."
Some opposition MPs mocked Goodyear's comment.
"Our science critic is a former astronaut (Marc Garneau), he can testify from personal experience that the world is round, it's not flat," Liberal MP Ralph Gooddale told Power Play. "I think that distinguishes our decision making processes from the Conservatives."
Budget controversy
The timing of the controversy could not have been worse for Goodyear, who is under fire from many scientists who say Canada is not keeping up with other G-20 countries in scientific investment.
U.S. President Barack Obama pledged about US$25 billion for basic scientific research, while the Harper government's stimulus budget cut funding to several government councils that provide grants to scientists.
"They are imposing $128 million in cuts on the three major granting agencies," Goodale said. "They are biasing their decision-making process, imposing their political judgment on what should be an independent peer-group process."
However, Garneau was much kinder to Goodyear. He criticized the budget cuts to research granting councils but said there didn't appear to be any religious motivation for the decisions.
"With respect to science policy, I can not honestly say I've seen a direct link -- so far," Garneau told The Canadian Press.
Goodyear said that the Harper government has increased funding for science in their time in office, including $5.1 billion over three years in January's budget.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Sean
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Bob-AB
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kc in alberta
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What a shame that these ideologically driven conservatives are in charge at such a critical time.
Shame on Harper and his regressive cabinet members.
Kris
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Jay in Stoon
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david
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les P
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He was voted into parliament by way of a protest vote, not by merit.
He's a freaking dentist not a politician!
Go back to numbing gums.
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chuckie
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farmer fred
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Just like a health minister opposed to universal health care's views would be relevant to their portfolio. When this clown is a Minister overseeing a science portfolio his views become relevant. If he wanted to stay private on these issues he should never have accepted this position. If this guy still thought the world was flat and ended just after you passed the Sea Monsters it would be relevant, just as it would be to deny support for a fundamental view on how we came to be.
Rick in NB
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Canuck in Bellingham WA
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Evolution is a fact as much as gravity is a fact. The theory of evolution deals with the mechanisms of how evolution works, NOT WHETHER IT EXISTS.
The religous people who believe that the earth is not billions of years old should not be allowed to teach science, or hold an important position in goverment like this.
Not believing in evolution is like arguing that the earth is flat. There is so much opposing evidence that it clearly one disagreeing with the obvious.
And the statement where they refer to "belief" .. this is reporting. Talk about skewing the statement. It suggests that the scientific community has any debate on this.
With regards to Intelligent Design ...anyone who has read the results of the Dover trial know that ID has been slammed and will never return.
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We should know if the if he is a rational man or a lunatic.
Does he believe that the world was created in 7days or 1sec?
Does he think a higher power has everything to do with the World or is he a crackpot that thinks we used to be atoms of energy?
We need answers!!
Hunter Mars
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The Flintstones is not a documentary .
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Doug BC
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This is what they refer to as "got-cha politics" in the USA.No one questioned any of our previous Catholic PM's about their religions,or whether or not they agreed with the pope.
I will say,that IF,or WHEN this man's Christian views are shown to be the basis of his policy positions,I will be the first one to ask questions.Until then,his deep felt religious beliefs are his,and his alone.
I can barely imagine the outrage that would be reverberating across Canada right now if these same questions had been asked of a Sikh or any other religion.
The host and the sponsors of "Power Play" and Ralph Goodale should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
This is,at least at this time,just another devious Liberal scheme to drum up controversy where none exists.They are fumbling along,unable to develope policy people will vote "FOR",so they have opted to try to get people to vote "AGAINST" the party in power.
I'm embarrassed to say Ralph Goodale was once one of my favourite MP's in the Liberal caucus.
Of course,that's before I discovered the corruption and deceit in the Liberal party,and fled to the Conservatives.
If you want to talk about funding,that's fair game for anyone in politics..If you want to ask about someones personal religion,take a hike.That's between him and his God.
I never questioned Martin or Trudeau,or Chretien about their Catholic views.Or Dosanjh about his Sikh perspective.
Shame on you Mr.Goodale.
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In spite of the massive amount of evidence to support it, the theory of evolution remains only a theory - no one has actually witnessed it.
Herb
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There has been a shift, albeit a subtle one, in the CPC presentation as of late, and this fits perfectly.
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Michael (Ottawa)
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The truth is it takes more "faith" to believe in the "big bang" theory than it does to believe the story of creation which now has some third party scientific support as per the above.
Whatever the Minister chooses to believe in personally is of no consequence unless you have a particular agenda to promote and feel threatened by his personal views.
Darwinists have a lot to account for which heretofore they have had a very unchallenged free ride. Times they are a changing.
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Dr. James Bradford
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Go ahead and attack kids, you're still going to end up without a leg to stand on.
Tom in Calgary
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Suppose God has been waiting for us to see the fossil record and understand it ourselves. How do the faithful know whether or not God is laughing at us, going "keep looking" you'll see it!
I have Astronomer friends who are religous and people of faith and who see no problem reconciling the two. To them, its "Suppose God created the big bang" in the first place? In the end Evolution, like astronomy is science, creationism is faith. You can hold both views.
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Drew in NS
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as Heritage Minister.
There is no argument here..
Flea Market Creep
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And there's a constant game of bait-and-switch between the types of evolution. Some kinds have been observed, while others are simply absurd.
It's sad we live in a country where free and critical thinking is looked upon with such contempt.
And let's also not forget that most of our major scientific principles we hold to be true were developed by people who believed in a god.
Witch hunts are for the weak and childish. Grow up.
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Mike from Edmonton
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Peter Hunziker
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In our country we believe in the separation of church and state, and that should terminate the discussion.
Chris Pearce
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For the record, evolution is as much a basis for biological research as gravity (another theory) is to physics.
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We can see that the earth is round.
Nobody, and nobody at all has been around long enough to verify that the process of evolution is absolutely true.
I have to laugh at the silly argument!
Of course, the relationship between science and religion comes here: The theory of evolution follows the big bang theory, which says that there was nothing. Nothing. Then, BANG! Everything. Now that to me, doesn't make a bit of sense. A creator makes more sense to me. But, I can't prove it like the people that say evolution is a fact. I wasn't there at the time.
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Nanook
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(I'm with the Pastors.)
Matthew
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Fun fact: Gravity is only a theory too.
Samual
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Liberal Diversity????or just ignorance !!!!
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Nothing more than discrimination against ones beliefs. Ironic Liberals always say they are for diversity, until they can't get elected.
Go Figure. Say anything, do anything. Ask Gooddale his theory on anything, he has none!!!
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And you a are literally looking at it, whether it is a cathode-ray-tube or a flat-panel display.
Now that you understand theory, understand evolution. That theory explains the existance of the fossil record, the changes to homo sapiens body over 40,000 generations. I know it does not explain Bush II, that requires more research...
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No wonder the population is cynical about politics if this type of journalism is constantly served up. Anne McIlroy, Globe and Mail columnist, interviewed Gary Goodyear, the Science Minister and asked him a question which had absolutely NOTHING to do with his judgement as a minister. If the minister has been a Jew or Muslim his views of evolution or creationsim would not have been asked. That Jane Taber followed up this crass piece of journalism by interviewing Gary Goodyear on Power Play on the irrelevant matter is disgusting. This type of low blow journalistic scenario is all too common. The present scenario is so like the number that media did to Stockwell Day in his early years in politics. Anyone who does not consider Stockwell Day a competent cabinet minister and one of the most hard working and sincerest politicians is extremely biased.
JP
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These Christians need to get their beliefs figured out before they ruin exploration for the rest of us.
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Canuck in Bellingham WA
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There are theories of evolution and gravity. Neither of them is complete.
Intelligent design has no foundation in science; it is pure religion.
Scientists ... say anyone who has a masters or doctorate of some science ... have something like a 98% acceptance of Evolution. The only people who don't are morons like our Minister who's reason for believing in creationsim is RELIGION. PERIOD.
There are a couple of reasons that the conservatives piss me off ... this is one of them. Pandering to the CHRISTIAN right like this is sad.
C'mon CPC you can do MUCH better than this.
Creationism is built on a leap of faith.
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Similarly, there are the facts of evolution. The fossil record is a fact. The theory of evolution tries to explain that fact (and many others).
Scientific theories undergo rigorous peer review and are changed or discarded as they are shown to be inadequate or outright wrong. This is a strength of the scientific method.
I'm sure someone is going to post something they got off a religious pamphlet about how some scientist somewhere has proven intelligent design. There's already a link to a movie. That's not science.
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Investing more, not less in scientific research would have been a great way to create jobs and stimulate the ecomony as well as continuing Canada's fine reputation as a leader in the scientific community.
What a shame that these ideologically driven conservatives are in charge at such a critical time.
Shame on Harper and his regressive cabinet members."
After all this is what it's suppose to do, " CREATE JOBS"
marcia muise
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Allan Eizinas
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It is true – honest!
Just ask Gary Goodyear’s fellow Cabinet mister Stockwell Day!
Excuse me, I need to take an asprin.
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Dale - Edmonton
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OF COURSE ITS RELEVANT!!!
Jay, Ottawa
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These are dark times for the Western world. Why aren't the smart people running for office anymore?
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Dan
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Intellectual dishonesty is rampant in this field, whether we like it or not. And any questioning of shaky evidence is shouted down. This is not rational debate. It's fear.
See http://everything2.com/node/813053
Jay, Ottawa
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Yes they did. During the same-sex marriage debate Liberal MPs (Chretien specifically I believe) acknowledged that their religion was incompatible with the idea of gay marriage but voiced that doing what was right comes before religious dogma.
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If not, why not? If so, why was he appointed?
In either case, Harper MUST replace this charlatan of a Minister of Science and Technology.