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Date: Tue. Mar. 10 2009 6:25 PM ET

Canada's top military commander says that the army is running through equipment faster than it can maintain it.

Gen. Walter Natynczyk, chief of defence staff of the Canadian Forces, said that army vehicles are breaking down at a high rate due to the amount of action they are seeing in Afghanistan.

"It's an army that's undergoing an incredible operational tempo right now," he told CTV's Power Play Tuesday.

"We've added a lot more heavy armour to vehicles and that's put an additional strain on them and that's why some of them are breaking down at an accelerated rate."

Natynczyk 's comments come just one day after the head of Canada's army, Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie, said the military may need a year-long break from operations when the mission in Afghanistan ends in July 2011.

"In the mid-term, and beginning in July 2011, we will have to explore the possibility of taking a short operational break, that is well-organized and synchronized, of at least one year," he said.

Leslie, appearing before the Senate defence committee, said a break may be needed because the military is facing personnel and equipment shortages.

Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon promised Tuesday the government "will take care" of upgrading and fixing badly needed military equipment.

There are reportedly 40 Leopard 2 battle tanks in Montreal and another 40 in Europe that are yet to be outfitted with heavy armour to fight off roadside bomb attacks in Afghanistan.

Leslie said the tanks have been in storage since last November and won't be finished until the federal government hires a firm to do the job.

Natynczyk said the military was in the process of finding domestic firms to work on their Leopard tanks, which are German-made.

He added that the process would include "other government departments" in addition to National Defence.

Cannon said the money would come out of the Defence budget.

"Of course the military will take care of that situation," Cannon told CTV's Canada AM on Tuesday.

"Defence budgets are there to be able to take care of it."

Cannon said the government doesn't "put our people into the theatre to go out there in equipment that is not completely up to sniff."

Defence Minister Peter MacKay said Monday that Ottawa is working to get the tanks into action as fast as possible.

"Those Leopard tanks are lifesavers," he said. "They are game changers and we want to get those tanks where they can be used to save lives and to further the aims of the mission."

Leslie also told the committee that only 30 per cent of equipment used on military bases in Canada is in service at any time.

He said many vehicles aren't being fixed because there aren't enough skilled mechanics and technicians to do the job.

The lack of equipment means fewer are available to train soldiers before they head off to Afghanistan, Leslie said.

According to a February tally, Leslie said 33 per cent of light-armoured vehicles (LAVs) are out of service, 76 per cent of Coyotes, 100 per cent of its tracked light-armoured vehicles (TLAVs), 73 per cent of its Bisons and 71 per cent of its Leopard tanks.

"This situation is extremely serious because the number and types of equipment that have to be repaired and replaced continues to increase at a rapid pace, and their use is much greater than planned when they were originally purchased," Leslie said.

He said Ottawa needs to get rid of the red tape and ensure that broken equipment gets fixed.

Last year, Parliament agreed to extend Canada's military role in Afghanistan from 2009 to 2011.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Chris in Kingston
said

An operational pause similar to that in 2004-5 would give us a much needed break, so we can get back into Kandahar with a renewed vigor and renewed equipment. We need to remove the red tape at PWGSC, which takes 2 month long contracts, and turns them into 6 months of red tape just for those 2 months of work.


allforit
said

We all could use a year long break...


MP
said

Bring everyone home.


Larry NL
said

This is a result of decades of Liberal cut backs in our armed forces. It was the Liberal Party that would not support the needs of our men and women that work to defend our country. Their excuse was that we could depend on our neighbours to the south if we needed military help.
Canada needs to be able to stand up for herself regardless of what comes her way.
If it is helping in a humanitarian way, Canada needs the personnel and the right equipment to do the job that is needed.
The Conservative party has taken steps in the right direction in it's spending for our troops, but it is a difficult haul when the opposition doesn't support our need for better equipped soldiers.


George in Calgary
said

I feel for the military and understand the frustrations of typical government foot dragging with red tape. But then again without red tape then we would have a stream lined governmental organization much smaller, leaner and "meaner". But then again the unions would not allow that at all.

The NWT is a very good example of that when I went to one government office to submit some data. I filled out the form and was promptly told it was wrong. The reason? Well the sheet of paper, all government approved was not large enough to hold all the appropriate boxes such that one could do the calculation. That was in the 1990's. Today the same form exists and everyone continues to do the same errors. Why? Simple because of government red tape the office can not release an updated form or a work sheet without it going through the House of Commons as an amendment. I would think that the appropriate sheet upgrades could be designed and that an Order in Council could handle the simple modification. Nope! It would probably have to go to committee then the senate (must keep them busy) and maybe it would be finally passed by a slim majority. No doubt the NDP would argue for it would make things work better thus employing fewer people and that of course could not be tolerated.


thomas
said

A good thing we don't have enemy nations looking to invade the country!


Edwin from Toronto
said

Is he saying "no pay leave"?


Vets' Father in SK
said

Two of my sons have served and I totally agree with Larry in NF...Liberal neglect brought the forces to breaking point. Under Harper we now have the military almost back to where it was...a useful and respected member of NATO...


Susan, S. Ont.
said

Sounds like mission should have ended in 2009 as originally planned. Need to be taking that break now.
Some of our best are being put at risk, unnecessarily!


My Grandfather was a mechanic for the Military
said

They should start hiring civilian mechanics then and get the vehicles fixed.
Scoop student mechanics out of the local colleges across the country, and get them to work along-side the military mechanic boys. Lets get it going, move it move it!


gail sutton
said

gail
Same old story from the conservatives. They bought the tanks, they bought the airplanes, they bought the arm vechicles from South Africa. The problem is the Defence Minister.



Mel from Calgary
said

People seem to be forgetting that military equipment is not free.

We can't afford foreign adventures with our new massive deficit.


Thank a soldier
said

Hey Edwin from Toronto...
He said an operational break, not take the uniform off entirely!



Seasalt NS
said

There is nothing new here! They are not the ones doing the fighting. They are politicians period. We have Harper who say the war in Afghanistan cannot be won yet he has our troops in there. Mckay in Halifax telling eveyone at the shipyard that HMCS Preserver will be going in refit ( when it should be decommissioned) he is the same guy that is after the NATO top job.


BFenton Caledonia
said

Get those 40 leopards in Montreal operational. They were not bought to age but to train and to fight.
How stupid is it to pay the money for such equipment and then not have it readied for the armed forces in quick time.


concerned military wife
said

To those who don't understand Leslie's meaning of break or resent it... Nice support. He doesn't mean a vacation...just mental downtime removed from the stress of either being in or preparing to return to war.The reality is our soldiers are doing one or the other. We are outraged at machinerty overuse and poor upkeep or replacement...but how about the troops they need to recoup too.


Pete
said

They should have the equipment ready anyway. We will lose what initiative we have.


JE Kay
said

Uuuhhmmmmm.... Didn't we go through this very thing a couple of years ago?

Stop building and supplying crap, what the hell it's not rocket science. What this really goes to show it actual level of respect the guv has towards the military in general.


David
said

...Not enough skilled mechanics and technicians? It seems like the auto sector can spare a few!


John E
said

I agree with MP. Bring everyone home and focus on national defence not war making.


Retired Soldier at Kingston, ON
said

Liberal governments of the 1990's solved the nations fiscal deficit problems all right! They conveniently dipped into military budgets at an alarming rate to remove billions in funds needed by soldiers to buy equipment, sustain and implement NATO and UN operations and domestic training / Military family programmes!

Result? In early 2009, General Leslie, Land Force Commander now has to itemize these concerns to Politicians, Senators and Senior Defence staff safe in their expensive sine-cures on Parliament Hill and NDHQ!

Meanwhile, skilled NCO's, and professional Jr. Officers whose quality skill-sets were deemed unecessary in the 1990's and who were fired out the door unceremoniously under "Force Reduction Programmes", are now watching from the sidelines in disbelief at the incompetence playing out at all national levels while the nation is losing its youngest ranking soldiers on Afghan battlefields!

What a tragic farce!!

Pro Patria


Shamaro
said

The Canadian Forces are reaping the benefits of years of Liberal government, anti military spending.

And now, they are paying for it with their very lives.

I wonder if Chretien and Martin can sleep well at night?




Derek
said

I know! Let's buy more sucker contracts for aging/crappy equipment from the same nations that stymied our defense industry oh so long ago - that should ensure our sovereignty - and our national pride.


Tom Carrothers
said

It is time to stop blaming the Liberal Government. These problems have all arisen since the Conservatives gained power. If they focused on moving forward rather than playing politics we would not be in the situation we are in.


FB in Ottawa
said

Notice what Mr Cannon has to say about the delay in getting tanks modified:

"Of course the military will take care of that situation," ....
"Defence budgets are there to be able to take care of it."

Well the miltary doen't issue contracts. PWGSC does that, followed by Treasury Board approval, followed by PMO approval (where a contract can be stalled forever). Lt Gen Leslie hinted that a streamlined acquisition process is needed, ie let DND, who has the military expertise, do that. Its been advocated for some time, but too many have too many rice bowls to protect. During WWII we learned that you can't conduct a war while the support process is at peace. Time to fix it.



Rick in the Hat
said

Thank you General Leslie for stating what is reality. You have a great military history and a conscience to go with it. I'm sure the men and women who serve under you are impressed with your true leadership as I am indeed.
UBIQUE!


Concerned Canadian
said

Please STOP spending our hard earnned money and bring everyone back home!

Why not use OUR money in our economy and help our people (tax payers)

I'm sick to my stomach to hear how much money the goverment keeps spending on a lost cause!


Jim Amirault
said

Parliament should consider helping the economy by upgrading and maintaining the equipment our people in the miliary require in order to be a world player we would like them to be.


Bernard Romanycia
said

"War, what is it good for?"
"Absolutely nothing, sing it again."



Military
said

An Operational Pause does not mean the Military goes on paid vacation. We use that time to train our troops and repair kit. We continue to help Canadians with emergencies (ice storm in Quebec, floods in Manitoba, etc...). We continue to defend our country (incursions into Canadian Air Space, North West Passage, illegal fishing off our coasts). An Operational Pause is still a very busy and productive time for the Forces. The taxpayers of the Country will continue to get their money's worth out of us.


Allen
said

I am totally disgusted when I read how much of our light and heavy armoured equipment is not working. My son is with the Armoured portion of the forces. He will be going overseas soon and I want him and his comrades fully protected. To read that there are 40 tanks sitting in Montreal waiting for bureacrats to make a decision is ridiculous. Come on get them upgraded and sent over for our boys and girls to use.


Rick in NB
said

Well now the world knows the shape of the Canadian military. Got any secrets you want to share. Just bring in Bernier.


Mary Clarke
said

The military was “burned out during years of Liberal cutbacks,” as the party’s own Senator Colin Kenny once put it. Canada’s budget for national defence was lacerated by 23% between ’93 and ’98 as Liberals closed bases, cut staff and cancelled equipment upgrades.


Mary Clarke
said

Liberals had planned to cut military funding,to help fund their election promises.
Funding for the Miltary rarely buys votes.It doesn't seem to matter whether our troops have decent equipment to keep them safer.
McCallum (a former defence minister, by the way) suggests that one of the first things he’d tighten spending on is the Canadian Forces. “I think the defence budget in recent years has gone up at a very dramatic rate and that for us to continue . . . without further ramping up is responsible, particularly at a time of shortage of money.” (Arts funding, however, would get more money from the Liberals).


YVES
said

Just an idea... If the gov. took control of one former installation of a car maker(closed)and retooled it with the right manpower/knoledge and equipment, how many jobs could be created and how fast would the CF get their vehicules in order and ready to kick butts. OK it could be for a limited time,but, it would be something/start.


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