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Date: Sun. Mar. 8 2009 6:56 PM ET

Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Sunday that he welcomes U.S. President Barack Obama's call to negotiate with some Taliban leaders to reduce violence in the country.

Speaking to a group of women during a speech to commemorate International Women's Day, Karzai said Obama's words were "good news because this has been the stand of the Afghan government."

During an interview he gave on Friday to the New York Times, Obama said it may be possible to reach out to moderates in the Taliban. However, he admitted that circumstances in Afghanistan are more complicated than the challenges facing the U.S. military in Iraq, where U.S. troops have had some success negotiating with militants.

"There may be some comparable opportunities in Afghanistan and in the Pakistani region," Obama said during the interview, which was published Sunday.

In Iraq, U.S. troops were able to convince Sunni Muslim insurgents to co-operate with them after the insurgents became alienated by al Qaeda tactics in the country.

However, Obama cautioned that a strategy that has worked in Iraq may not work in Afghanistan.

"The situation in Afghanistan is, if anything, more complex," Obama said. "You have a less governed region, a history of fierce independence among tribes. Those tribes are multiple and sometimes operate at cross purposes, and so figuring all that out is going to be much more of a challenge."

In addition to tribal rivalries, Karzai pointed out in his speech that some Taliban fighters in Afghanistan have joined forces with al Qaeda and likely will not reconcile with U.S. troops or the Afghan government.

However, negotiations should commence, "with those who are afraid to come back to their country, or who feel they have no choice but to stay with the Taliban for various reasons," Karzai said. "They are welcome."

Coalition troops have been battling insurgents in Afghanistan since the conflict began in 2001 and the mission has become increasingly more deadly. Since the conflict began, 661 American soldiers have died, as well as 434 coalition soldiers. Of those casualties, 111 have been Canadian.

Retired major-general Lewis MacKenzie said on Sunday that the only hope coalition troops have of beating back a growing insurgency in Afghanistan is to reduce it "to the point of irrelevance."

Speaking on CTV's Question Period, MacKenzie said victory against an insurgency does not come in a traditional form, such as an armistice or a surrender agreement.

"It's not going to be that," MacKenzie said. "But it's going to be reducing the Taliban to irrelevance and you do that by guaranteeing security to the population of Afghanistan. That is the way you wean the less radical elements of the Taliban to come over and join Afghan society."

But MacKenzie said as troop levels stand now, with one coalition soldier for every 653 civilians, there are not enough military personnel on the ground to guarantee security.

Last month, Obama said he would send 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan to reinforce the 38,000 already in the country.

While Canada's mission in Afghanistan is scheduled to end in 2011, Obama is expected to appeal to NATO countries to increase troop levels in the country.

But according to Robin Wright of the Woodrow Wilson Institute, polls indicate that most Europeans don't support the idea of deploying more of their soldiers to Afghanistan.

"So this is going to be asking the Europeans for far more than they are going to want to do," Wright said Sunday on Question Period.

Wright also said it is not clear if it there are different factions within the Taliban that will negotiate with coalition troops.

"It's a very good question, whether you can peel off some of the Taliban," Wright said. "In the past there have been factions of the Taliban. That was true when they ruled Afghanistan in the 1990s and there are indications that that may be true today. Whether it's possible to peel them off when they're doing better on the ground than ever before is a real challenge."

With files from The Associated Press

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brenda
said

Since when has speaking with the Taliban beens Karzai's position? Gee, if we'd known this a few years ago that talking would work and was welcome, maybe a few thousand lives could have been saved!


Jason
said

Negotiate with terrorists??

Only an uber liberal like Obama would think of something like that!


Meagan from Sarnia ON
said

Negotiate with terrorists?!

Obama has proven within his first 50 days that he is weak on terrorism. I'm predicting that despite all of the hype in the 2008 election campaign for him, he is going to be a one-term President, as Americans realize that he will allow the USA to be walked over by their enemies and the hostile nations of the world.


Rick in NB
said

On the bloody morning after one tin soldier marched away.


Cory-Toronto
said

Obama was not ready to be President. A few years in the Senate...then to the White House? Way out of his league and the stress in his administration is starting to show and he hasn't been there two months yet. This man will implode before too long, and it's too bad.

When you try to fix everything at once, (as Paul Martin knows) everyone starts to say it's not enough and problems just grow. I give Obama to the middle of July before his approval rating drops like a stone. As for Karzai...he is clinging to power at all costs. He is scared to have an election, because he knows there's a good chance he will lose.

Do not negotiate with terrorists. Period!


david
said

I hope the west is starting to realize that Islamic nations do not want democracy, as it does not fit with their culture.


Darrell
said

@ Meagan:

Bush has badly damaged America's reputation abroad & in most cases increased negativity & hostility towards the American people considerably. Obama's moves so far in foreign policy have been efforts to diffuse dangerous tensions & offer dialogue & reason rather than continuing to ramp up hostilites to breaking point. Sadly, I predict you are right about him being a 1 term president, not because what he is doing is wrong, but because of the closed mindset of the Americans who think like yourself.


AFGHAN VETERAN
said

I am a two time Afghan deployed soldier that has read and studies an aweful lot on Afghanistan since the late 1960's.

Brenda:

Talking to the Taliban insurgent leadership has been Karzai's approach for a few years now. Google it...

Jason:

The Taliban is a loose label to refer to insurgents at large. Naming all of these factions "terrorist" would be unfair.
Remember: we are the invaders.
We bombed Afghanistan in 2001-2002.
We were invited by the Afghan government (put in place by the USA in late 2001) to bring good governance.
7 years later, there are no good governance.
Having said that, yes, there are hardcore Madrassa educated types that have an agenda. Bombing schools and killing teachers and female students are acts of terror.
Some poor guy who picks up a rifle to fight ISAF troops because they bombed his village and killed his family is not a terrorist.
You would probably do the same.

Educate yourselves.


Evan/Kingston
said

Even though Karzai's stance from day 1 had been not to negotiate with the Taliban, this story really isn't surprising when you consider how the Afghan gov't really has no independence. When the puppeteer changes and makes a 180* turn, the puppet is bound to go with him.


Nancy: Obama No Liberal
said

Obama is no Liberal as evidenced by having the same position as Harper on gay marrige and carbon sequestration.
The Afgan governemtn has always said it will welcome moderate forces into the fold.
But Pakistan just signed a truce with the taliban in western Afganistan and to allow them to have sharia law so they can stone women and keep them from going to school and too make them wear burkas. Obama said he was going to get Bin Laden
and I support him on that.

Hillier in NL
said

Obama is shifting 30,000 more troops from Iraq on top of the 30,000 thousand their already in Afganistan.
Obama already knows what the answer will be from the drug dealing killers, so when he goes in with his scorched earth policy he can safely say he gave them an option.
Canada held the fort in Khandahar at great expense and did a lot for the school girls there, Obama extra troops can't come soon enough.



alex gomez of Victoria.
said

It is time for Karzai to make way for someone else to become president. He has had his time and chances to make changes, but has failed. All he is good for is to be dressed nicely, talk eloquently and ask for more aid. What a joke !.


James
said

This is certainly an old and already-attempted idea, and is frankly quite surprising at this point in the game. Having been to Afghanistan, it was fairly clear that the TB did not want to negotiate. Perhaps there was error in our ways, or the situation has changed (in ways that we, the public wouldn't know). If this works, I'd agree that this would be the most ideal solution.

To those who have said that democracy and Afghanistan do not match, I would encourage you to go over there and see how the world works for yourself. Every small Afghan town is run on a democracy. Islam, and the rural culture in Afghanistan, is buildt on a culture of "shura" (consultation) and "ijima" (building consensus). Afghans actually sit together and discuss every item on a town agenda before any decisions are made. Everyone gets informed and makes their decisions together. Something we could maybe learn from.

Lastly, David, I recommend you read "Reconciliation: Islam, Democracy, and the West" by Benazir Bhutto. Please do not fall into the "typical Westerner" trap of assuming that all Muslim countries are the same. Compare Algeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Palestine, UAE and others. It would be ignorant to say they are all the same.



Bobby Rae Toronto
said

Why do we pretend everytime this guy says something it's new.
Since he won the November election he ran the economy into the ground if he brings as much "hope" to afganistan as he did to the economy its going to be a very long war.



Iggy Pull out of Afganistan and Vancouver
said

I am sick of Harper trying to export human rights to women around the world.

We have enough Global warming probalems here or I mean Climate change problems at home to worry about.

Obama is just encouraging Harper to stay even longer.

Vancouver is a war zone we need to pull out of Vancouver to, the drug dealers like Afganistan are too mean.


Jill wants collaboration from 65 other countries
said

Peter McKay has been calling on the other 65 countries there for support and I am glad to hear Obama echoing that call for more collaberation.
To our troops in Afghanistan and the mothers at home I hope you know were all pulling for the boys.


Michelle from Oakville
said

Afghan Veteran: "Remember: we are the invaders. We bombed Afghanistan in 2001-2002."

You are missing an event that happened before this. Al-Qaeda, backed by the Taliban Afghan government, attacked the United States on September 11th, 2001. They declared war on the U.S. (and under article 5 of the NATO charter, everyone else in NATO including Canada), and we were counter-attacking when we entered Afghanistan to remove the Taliban and terrorists, and to hold them accountable for the Sept. 11 attacks, in 2001-02.


Marshall - Richmond Hill
said

Darrell: "...offer dialogue & reason..."

You cannot have dialogue & reason amongst groups with people like the Taliban, or other terrorists. Obama is completely wrong, and people who supposedly have this "closed mindset" you describe are the ones who are in the mainstream, not just amongst Americans, but everyone in the west who has always lived by "you don't negotiate with terrorists".

Obama will go the same way as Neville Chamberlain, who tried to "negotiate" with Hitler in 1938 - we all know how that went in the following years.


Rick who has been under arms on foreign soil
said

As a former soldier who spent a better part of life helping to defend Canada, I first and foremost support our soldiers with their boots on the ground anywhere. The Taliban while being a repugnent bunch are not terrorists, but more a political party no different than the nazis, conservatives or republicans. And yes they do horrible things to their own people and unfortunately have an attitude of agression to foreign troops on their homeland. Trust me on this, if foreign troops were acting under arms on our soil we would certainly hope and expect our men would defend their homes. The Taliban is an evil bunch yes, but we have to come to terms with them and negotiating is the only way.Not just to save face but to make progress and evolve the situation.

Bear Stearns collapsed in summer 2007
said

So how did Obama run US into the ground since November?

Bush's eight years of wars with borrowed money is what caused US economic meltdown.

Harper wants to negotiate with Taliban too.
said

That liberal!!!!


I don't see Taliban begging for talks now.
said

Taliban wanted to talk back in 2001 when Bush was yipping and yapping about Osama bin Laden.

If the US had talked then, many lives would not have been wasted.

But then it's always been about the Chevron pipeline.

Deb - Lived in Afghanistan for 1 & 1/2 years
said

Dear Afghan Veteran;
You hit the nail on the head! Glad you understand the issues!
Most people of Afghanistan are good people and trustworthy. However, during these discussions we must not forget those Female Afghan Teachers that are risking there lives to bring civility to the country. I Promised them I would NEVER forget about them.


Concerned Canadian
said

So Obama is showing that he is "weak on terrorism" by sending another 17,000 troops into Afghanistan? Does this comment make any sense?

What he appears to be doing is scaling down the war in Iraq because it has become simply a breeding ground for terrorists. Before the invasion, most of the world was sympathetic to America after 9/11. After a trumped-up invasion, more and more young Muslims became terrorists because they could now see that al Qaeda was correct in their assessment of American territorial intentions.

But Afghanistan is a different story. That's where the Taliban operate, and where Osama bin Laden had his bases. Quelling the Taliban and capturing bin Laden are worthwhile goals if we really wish to suppress terrorism. The other thing we need to do is to get American troops out of Saudi Arabia, as that's the real reason for the 9/11 attacks.

By ramping up the war in Afghanistan, Obama is showing not that he is weak, but that he is smart about terrorism.


Doug BC
said

Since every war ends with negotiations,the only real issue is timing,and who wil be included in those negotiations.
It seems to me,that Karzai and NATO have known for some time,that there has to be political solutions if the result of this conflict is to be peace,rather than a return to slavery under the reign of extremists.Troops alone can not win a lasting peace.All they can do is create an environment in which peace talks are possible.
I don't think it's right to assume all of the Taliban are the extremists.As far as I re-call,it's the moderate Taliban that will likely be the ones Karzai is talking to.Not negotiating with the terrorists.Moderates in the Taliban are likely to welcome peace in Afghanistan if,and when developement makes for better lives for all of the people there.
"Iggy" will not pull out of Afghanistan.In fact,it was Liberals who sent us there,and.if "Iggy" had been PM,we would also be in Iraq.
If Canada wanted to avoid the Afghanistan mission,it would have to have set aside both the UN and NATO decisions.
Drugs are going to be a problem.These people need other ways to earn enough to feed their families.Drug cartels are hard to keep at bay.In Mexico,there are over 100,000 troops fighting drug cartels.And losing.
What troubles me,is,if the people of Afghanistan find a compromise that works for them,but offends the sensibilities of the USA,I wonder how flexible NATO can be.
In the mean time,SUPPORT OUR TROOPS,and be PROUD of the work they do on our behalf.Their cause is a just one.No young girl should be disfigured with acid just for going to school.


PB in MTL
said

Great to hear from some people who actually have first-hand experience and knowledge about the country!

I consider the Taliban repugnant, but think they are just the natural progression of all right-wing instincts: to forcibly quell any discourse at odds to their purpose and return to some old-world fantasy wherein they are on top. The murdering Taliban are not ultra-liberals, remember, but ultra-conservatives.

To defeat them, we have to chip away at the whole right-wing mindset across the planet. Tough job!


Claire M - Victoria BC
said

Rick who has been under arms on foreign soil - there is a difference between foreign troops invading a country with a democratically elected western government with modern values and one that is a dictatorship, has no respect for basic human rights, and harbors terrorists who attack free citizens in other countries.

I find it hard to believe that you are truly a member of the armed forces, but rather you're just someone on the left pretending to be one to give you more credibility.

Rick : "The Taliban while being a repugnent bunch are not terrorists... no different than the nazis, conservatives or republicans."

This statement alone shows your true left-wing frame of thought, and by bringing Nazis into the equation and equating mainstream Canadian or American parties with them, I call Godwin's law on your whole post.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

Playing nice with one's enemies doesn't beget peace. The US is cozying up to Russia, China and other communist run countries and dictatorships, and the people don't see what is actually happening because we're not privy to the truth. This UN mission taken on by the west(NATO)to put down insurgency and terrorists is a distraction that has cost too many lives in the hopes we will all one day become a big global happy family.


RT
said

Obama is a true visionary. What do you have to loose with talks? Why don't we try and turn this around? I'd rather extend a hand than fire a bullet. It's time to try.


my take on this
said

david wrote, Islamic nations do not want democracy

Religion is always about having power and control and it doesn't matter which religion it is.


the real CC
said

PB in MTL: I am curious what planet you are on? We are on earth. You are suggesting that ANY right wing ideology is simply a prelude to the ways of the Taliban. I guess this is what the educated voter has become in Canada.
To suggest that anyone who is a conservative is on his/her way to being this type of extremist shows a complete lack of any knowledge of the situation or what right wing/left wing means. A bit over the top with the partisanship, I would say. sheesh


Mimi in Canada
said

To Bobby Rae in Toronto: Barack Obama isn't the one to blame for the economy, he's just trying to repair the damage done by Bush. It is Bush who ran the economy to the ground, not Obama. Please educate yourself.


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
said

I noticed a lot of comments in here from people who were 'over there'...Methinks it wise for others to go back and read them again...................


Makinaw Dandy
said

Why are some people so worked up about Obama talking to the Taliban. What is so dangerous about talking? Maybe people can work something out. Violence hasn't worked. It has been years with no change whatsoever. George Bush's cowboy foreign policy hasn't gotten anybody anywhere.


Maureen
said

Obama is beginning to seem a lot like Carter (remember the Iran hostage taking during his term) and Clinton (who ignored repeated attacks by terrorists on US soil and elsewhere). Good luck America - you will need it with Obama as your leader. Intereasing that the IRA seems to have reared its ugly head again in Ireland - probably because they realized that they gave up way too soon the way the Western world is giving up on fighting terror.


fringe
said

PB in MTL

To have an agenda for change you must be a liberal. To change things for the worse usual requires a desire to change in the first place.

By true definition, a conservative would not wish things to change or would at least be very careful with change.

Most dictatorships and examples of nasty regimes over the past few hundred years were born of socialism, religion, or communism (socialism gone mad); all things the people are supposed to benefit from.

Be careful with everything you do to bring change. Everyone is equally sure that their way is best and often they don't really know the outcome of each change.

Fundamentalism is a form of reaction to meddling by those who would dictate change. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Zealots of any kind just won't help. We have to grow into things. We can't be forced.


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