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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Thu. Mar. 5 2009 5:44 PM ET

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty says governments in both Canada and the U.S. are concerned about the viability of struggling American automakers.

Flaherty, in Washington with Industry Minister Tony Clement, met with White House aide Larry Summers to discuss co-ordinating plans for helping the struggling auto sector.

Speaking from the Canadian embassy Thursday, Flaherty said automakers run "an integrated business and that's why there needs to be an integrated response."

In total, GM is seeking US$30 billion from the U.S. government and billions more from Ottawa and Ontario.

Ottawa has said it would provide up to $4 billion in emergency loans, with GM Canada eligible for up to $3 billion, and Chrysler Canada up to $1 billion.

Flaherty said there needs to be "some assurance that this will not be a waste of taxpayer money."

Speaking to CTV's Power Play Thursday, he added, "That's the big question. Can (auto makers) demonstrate that this would be a good investment of taxpayers money."

To measure an automaker's sustainability, Flaherty said it's important to look at:

  • legacy costs, such as retiree health and pension benefits
  • a reasonable assumption of future volume of sales of motor vehicles in Canada
  • concessions unions are prepared to make to competitive wage rates and compensation packages

Clement, in an interview with CTV Newsnet Thursday, said the focus is on making sure North American car companies are able to succeed in the new marketplace.

"This isn't just about GM, it's not just about Chrysler, it's about a whole auto sector that employs hundreds of thousands of people in Canada and millions of people in the United States," Clement said.

The visit comes as General Motors announced Thursday that auditors have expressed "substantial doubt" about the ability of the automaker to keep operating.

In its annual report, GM said auditors cited "the corporation's recurring losses from operations, stockholders' deficit, and inability to generate sufficient cash flow to meet its obligations and sustain its operations" as the main reasons for their stance.

GM also said that if it can't successfully execute its complex restructuring plan then the company could "potentially be forced to seek relief through a filing under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code."

GM wants to avoid bankruptcy protection because it would scare off customers who would be fearful that their warranties might not be honoured in the future.

Flaherty was asked Thursday if it was a concern that GM could still go bankrupt even with government assistance.

"Of course it's a concern, it's a major concern," Flaherty said.

"...Government clearly has a duty to be good stewards of public funds and quite rightly I think the Canadian people would be upset with any government that would not do as much due diligence as possible before committing any tax dollars to any company and any business and that's what we're doing."

On Wednesday, Chrysler announced it plans to eliminate the third shift at its minivan assembly plant in Windsor, Ont., which means about 1,200 jobs will be cut.

Meanwhile, Ken Lewenza, national president of the Canadian Auto Workers, said Thursday that his union will be holding talks with GM this afternoon.

Lewenza said it was "too devastating" to think about the possibility of GM filing for bankruptcy. He said the union will go along with negotiations as planned with the hopes of getting a new contract ratified by March 15.

"We believe the quicker we get this behind us, the quicker General Motors gets its loans, the quicker the terms and conditions of the loan are done, we can turn the page and get the company back on track without the negativity that's associated with this restructuring," he said at a press conference Thursday.

He said the union is ready to make sacrifices to ensure that hourly costs for union employees remain competitive with other plants in the U.S. and foreign plants in Canada.

However, he said he doesn't expect any wage or benefit cuts will be necessary.

Analysts say that CAW will have little negotiating power, given the crisis in the domestic auto sector.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Mike
said

Surprise, surprise. It's only a matter of time, and then all those working for GM will realize how good they actually had it.


Jay, Ottawa
said

Let it go. When the market recovers the surviving manufacturers will fill the void.

It's the end of an era, but nothing lasts forever.


jack
said

Wow!

Hang on tight everyone ...


Pierre in Ottawa
said

It's time for North America to have a funeral and say our " Goodby " to GM......no more public money please


Pierre from Kingston
said

Why MUST we continue to provide them (or any of the BIG 3) with our money! Because of jobs? Hell, I have to look for a job once my time with my company is over. We must move on. Companies that do not meet expectations for 2009 must move aside and let those that can deliver what is now needed fill that niche. That what capitalism is all about.


Carl Brantford
said

Any company that looses money for three years in a row and hasn't done anything about it, needs a change in management, not a bailout.
Government bailouts only go to the pockets of those who want to protect their funds, very little will ever see the entended receipient.
It's a tough nut, but the only way out of this mess is to let the people do it on their own, we will have to anyways, and now we'll have to bailout the governments as well. Oh well, it'll just take a little longer and more will suffer, but not the rich, they're already bailed out, so we only have the poor to worry about next.


Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON
said

If Automobile manufacturing jobs are important to Canadians, now is th time to support especially GM and purchase their products.

Other manufacturers from the orient are no doubt good cars, but so are GM's (and Ford & Chrysler)

It is up to us to prevent this industry from disappearing from Canada.

My next car will be a GM (as have my past dozen or so), but now more than ever, we need to protect Canadian autoworkers jobs or we will loose an unbelievable amount of employment (and subsequent tax revenues)and start a huge imbalance in our trade defecit with the USA

I have nothing against Korean cars, BUT that they come-in by the container ship load directly from Korea and they do not allow imports into their country. It is just common sense to support GM Ford and Chrsler in the immediate future if we want to keep our auto-pact with e USA and those directly and indirectly affected Canadian jobs (in the hundreds of thousands) in the car manufacturing sector.

Let's be bullish on Candian jobs for a change and stop shooting ourselves in the foot because of outfits like JD Power and countless consumer reports who aleays claim that Japanese cars are so much better - when the relaliy is that they are not that much better (if they are actually any better at all)

It is time to put words into action and support this incredibly important industry to Canadian and to Canada even if is is only for selfish reasons - our own good.


kate
said

We could have told you that years ago - they are constantly losing money yet we the taxpayers keep getting stuck footing the bill. Let them go under and give the money to the thousands and thousands of other real poor who are losing their jobs. This welfare we provide these guys is not fair to the public, where is our pension for life? The government expects Timmy's workers to pay higher taxes so these clowns can live a comfortable life. To the workers, sorry for your job loss but I lost mine a few years ago and I'm still paying for it. When you come bail me out then we can talk about help for you.


Terry in Ottawa
said

Time to go the next mile and full bankrupt process. This will allow GM to divest itself of the large dealer network, pensions and union contracts the are pulling it under.


Chris
said

How ironic that while attempting to read this short news bite re: GM, there is an advertisement to my right from Toyota and a POP-UP advertisement from Honda!
I do not want to see the auto industry crash because it does have huge implications across the country. How do the billions of dollars in provincial and federal aid get to people who need it???


Frank Calesso, Calgary
said

If GM's own auditors feel that GM's own viability is in question, then why should governments try to bail them out. Even a $13 billion cash bailout to date isn't enough to aleviate those concerns.


Beth
said

"During the past three years it has piled up $82 billion in losses, including $30.9 billion in 2008. "

So when exactly did GM attain god-like status to be allowed to keep operating with huge deficits such as these? Time to call it what it is. Over. Done. Finito. Seriously.

While it would be devastating to those working in the auto sector I think the devastation would give rise for a new car company. Nature never leaves a vacuum and someone would come along to fill the void. They always do.


Brent
said

Where's the Union now? They kept going after more and more. But it is a two way street - so why don't the big union's offer voluntary pay cuts? I wouldn't be surprized to hear sometime soon of a strike by the union - even in the midst of all this. I don't see the union's offering any bailout money either.


Middilay
said

Time to let it go. They have squandered all of the bail out funds to this point. The loss they just reported effectively tells us they need the funds to continue business as usual. Nothing other than that. Let them go through a structured bankruptcy. The company will come out stronger and leaner on the other side. There is simply no rationale behind 70 models of vehicles from one manufacturer. 15 cars repeated 5 times. Stupidity!

To all the brainwashed CAW workers that keep saying we build as good of quality cars as anyone else. That is the sales pitch to the world by your union boss. Time to come to reality. The latest consumer reports confirms you are behind every other manufacturer when it comes to quality. Toyota, Honda and others produce cars here in North America sans union and have much better profitability and quality. While they are also having sales losses they aren't bankrupt because they don't need to support 5 employees for every one that actually works today.

Time to say goodbye!


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
said

Once again the 'news' is centered around eastern canada.People lose jobs at gm and the media hypes it up,, interveiwing mayors of towns,showing all the whining and and the worry.

Don't get me wrong,BUT,,when thousands of people lost their jobs in the oilsands,, no interveiws with Ft.Mcmurray's mayor, no whining and worry for the West!!
And here's the kicker,, I watch canada am [atv] and THERE I heard some coverage,but it was the local news and people were moving back to NB from Alberta.


Michael Hagios
said

...." its auditors cited recurring losses from operations, stockholders' deficit and an inability to generate enough cash to meet its obligations"

It's called incompetent management under the leadership of Rick Wagoneer and unless you deal with THAT issue all is indeed lost.

Not much wiggle room for GM now. I was just starting to think maybe the Malibu was a serious contender for my next car.




DRH
said

I'm sorry "Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON", but to be honest with you, buying anyone of the Big 3 autos will not save these companies. They pay too much due to the union demands, their vehicles are overpriced, and the do not have any resale value. You can buy a brand new vehicle off the lot and trade it in the next day and take a 15,000.00 hit? Is that why we should buy these vehicles? All this bailout money that governments are handing over to the Big 3 is only to prop up the pension fund for those who are already retired. None of this will ever get to the guy working right now or the guy getting laid off. All these people being sent home should get off their butts right now and start restructuring their own life. You can't honestly expect us to beleive that you had planned on staying their until you retired? Time for all involved to move on.


Let them Go
said

All this and yet the union is still crying wanting to keep thier high wages. When are they going to wake up.

Close them down let them all go get jobs that pay for what you do.

I wonder if we figured it out all the tax dollars we are sending them if it is likely close to what each of those union members pay in income tax.


Bill James, Terry Lacroix, Jay Grymes
said

We believe a strong competitive auto industry is good for Canada. This lagging GM issue does not bode well for a viable long term solution and needs to be dealt with.

Wasting our tax dollars on what is arguably an irreversible situation with GM is not the way to go in our opinion.


Bernard Romanycia
said

All they need is zillions of dollars and they'll be happy making obsolete cars, won't they? What are they going to do with the backlog of inventory they can't sell now?


NS
said

I often wonder sometimes why car manufactures make the decision that they do , GM had a great car in the Caviliar for example , they had a great little SUV 4cyl Tracker that everyone loved , which was replace by the equinox a 6cyl that loves gas ..... They are still producing big SUV's and have a limited selection of small to mid size cars .

Our family looked at the colt for example , as a small family car it lacks in leg space in the back, difficult to put any thing large in the trunk becase they made a small opening , lots of space but no way to put any thing in the small hatch. With todays powerfull 4cyl much better cars could be built with great fuel economy. Until North America finds a reason(s) to buy GM vehicles again whats the point in a bailout ? The average family cannot aford to go out and buy a 35000 vehicle anytime soon

we need low cost vehciles with good quality and good rates at the bank. The rates at the bank these days is running 9 - 11 % this is the bigger problem , it time the goverment looked at this as well

it pointless to blame or point fingers here . You cannot just blame the CAW /UAW . There contracts are bases on what the company was making , but times have changed . Whe nyo have CEO's still taking large bonus(s) , what not pay the workers ? I don't work in a union, but I am smart enough to know they have a place in society. This mess is the banks fault.








TVic
said

GM's communications with the media make reference to the 'public perception' about GM vehicles being substandard. GM executives have never been ready to admit that they need to do a lot of work to bring their vehicles up to the standard that the public expects these days. So they keep bleeding red ink - no surprise!! Now it may be too late for them to pull themselves out of a nose dive, and public money will go with them.
Sad when a corporation blames everyone but themselves for their problems!!


Phil in Ajax
said

GM's woes are not ony a result of poor demand, but also of the consumer's fear of buying a product from a mortally wounded company. It's a downward spiral which is self fulfilling. I think it's too late to save the patient in it's present form, so we need to turn off the IV/money drip and let it go with some dignity. What about all the jobs to be lost you ask?...Is it not better to use taxpayer money to re-train workers for 21st centruy jobs, instead of feeding non recoverable money to a dead-man walking?...Either way, it's taxpayer money being spent. I suggest that re-training is a much better option


John MacDonald
said

From what I've read GM hasn't been a dedicated vehicle manufacturer for a while, they basically are a pension plan that makes cars.


Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON
said

I don't agree at all with the quality issues that some continue to raise. It is just not true that Janenese cars are better than cars from thre big (3). Why are you so brain-washed into believe these fairy tales - Do you really want us to lose our Auto-Pact with the USA ?

Do any of you realize how the loss of these automobile manufacturing jobs will horribly impact our economy ?
It is not something any Canadian should want to happen !. It is something we can collectively, positively do something about to prevent it from happening - BUY CARS FROM THEM -NOW !!!

The time is now to stop worrying about could have beens in past decisions by the big (3) and start buying their cars ! It is as simple as that.

No industry can survive if their products are not purchased.

Supporting Toyota and Honda, eben with their plants in Canada WILL NOT REPLACE OUR AUTO-PACT WITH THE USA

Wake-up folks - Keep buying those orientla cars and you will not only lose Canadian manufacturing jobs which will not easily be replaced, our trade defecit will sky-rocket, all of us will suffer as a result and ultimmately, we will have no other choice but to purchase ugly oriental cars

Is that what you want ???
Do none of you have any love for Canada ?

Now is the time to support the big (3) and perhaps especially GM. Has anyone of you calculated how many jobs AND tax dollars GM has brought to Canada since World war 2 ?
Let's all think what the loss of even only GM will mean to us all - It is a frightening picture and soon to be reality if we do not act NOW, by not only helping to finance them, but by also buying their cars


John from TO
said

I worked in the paper industry up north. 5000 of us lost our jobs a few years back. We had no bail out. Shame on the government for wasting tax payers money on something thats probably going to flop. Lets remember that next election!


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

This is GOOD NEWS for Ford and Chrysler! If you are going to make less and less desirable products year after year -- there's little doubt where that will end up. Hopefully the lesson will be learned before no company operating in North America is a 'going concern'.....




Pat-Guelph
said

What is the point of billions in bail outs...pay cuts won't help...bottom line...NO ONE is buying cars..it's cheaper to put people on EI until the economy picks up...where have all those billions gone in the US.


Greg in Cambridge
said

When you bail them out with your money and they don't have to even start paying it back until 2050 ( yes,really!)....it's no longer called a loan. We just gave them billions and now they will probably go under and never pay it back.
Gotta love those politicians don't you.




Don from Ottawa
said

The outcome of this is so obvious, however I will state it for the benefit of the politicians who don't seem to get it: GM IS FINISHED. STOP WASTING OUR TAX DOLLARS.


Davey boy
said

sounds like a winning business to me. Who's going to pay for all this later. Theres no way GM could ever and remain viable trying to pay off debt. For the love of Pete. someone in in Ottawa must have some sort of smarts and just let GM go. How come other companies like nortel file for bankruptcy and continue to operate.


cdn buyer
said

The reason I bought 2 09 korean imports is because the Dodge and GM dealer where so smug about the whole sale. I walked out of the dealer disgusted. GM and the big 3's problem is the dealer network from there it works its way all the way to the top. I bought Gms all my life and gave up.


Chris
said

Clearly it is time for a re- structuring of the auto industry. This will involve a Chapter 11 type of scenerio for both GM and Chrysler out of which will emerge a better organization.

It is simply no longer tenable to continue to load the backs of subsequent generations with the enormity of debt that will be required to (unsuccessfully) keep this bloated carcass of failed companies afloat.

The question is which government has the stones to tolerate the whip-saw of Liberal and NDP vultures who will lay the blame squarely at the feet of the government. Watch for Dalton McGuinty to meekly shuffle his feet hoping to let Stephen Harper bear the blame. Ignatieff and Layton will thunder with righteous indignation and threaten an election.

Can't wait...should be good theatre.


tim
said

Had the politician read the blogs on CTV.ca, they would have read that the vast majority of tax payers said not to give the money because the demise of auto industry, as it is, was inevitable. Money well spent.


Stephen
said

Auditors are stating what has been known for some time. They have to state it or they would be sued out of existence if GM ever went under.

It appears that the government cannot seem to coax the proper solution from the parties. Perhaps it takes a judges gavel in bankruptcy court to force the bondholders, shareholders, union and pensioners to take the cuts required.

Government's legitimate role here would be to provide Debtor in Possession Financing if it cannot be obtained privately, which due to credit crunch might be the case. My bet, the Chineses will by GM.


Ian
said

I better hurry and get all my GM parts,the ones I MUST REPLACE on the S**T BOX that GM made, before the bankruptcy happens.

LET THEM GO


Deborah
said

I just wonder what will happen now to my moms $600 survivor pension she is receiving every month now from GM? She isn't one of the lucky ones who is getting $3000+ a month.


Fatman
said

It's abundantly clear that GM needs more bailout cash so they can keep losing it!

Over the past years it is evident that GM has had more than sufficient practice at squandering mind boggling sums of money such that they are now pros in at least that catagory.

If only GM had concentrated on building quality product at affordable prices they might not have found themselves in the position they are in today. Look at the Japanese Auto manufacturers and to some extent Ford Motor of late. Both appear to use a flexible business model fit for the time and adjusted to meet existing market conditions and trends. Contrast that approach with GM whose direction appears to have been, and I expect forever will be, guided by the philosophy that what worked decades ago will work today if for no other reason than because GM says so!

How dare anyone tell GM they are the elephant trying to keep up with a pack of cheetas in a cross country sprint! Within GM is found the biggest concentration of executive arrogance, and may I add ignorance, that could ever collect in one place - and it's been there long enough to grow stagnant.

So GM, appears you may want to belly-up to the trough of public money yet again eh? My answer to you, NO! As I see it there are more deserving enterprises sitting on the brink at this time who I have little doubt would use any funds provided via my tax dollars in a more productive way.

GM - It's time to drain the swamp - Exit stage right!!!


Steve
said

I don't drive trucks or SUVs. I drive small sedans.

I'm all for supporting the North American auto jobs. THAT IS WHY I'd rather buy a Corolla or Matrix made by Canadians right here in Southern Ontario then buy a GM sedan built in Mexico.


Randy, Ontario
said

Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson;

I owned two GM products, and have had to spend thousands in repairs over the past couple of years. I would like to support NA built cars, but I cannot afford to continue paying all of the repair bills. I recently purchased a foreign built car...we'll see if the quality is any better. If not, I'll buy NA again.



gilles
said

Let it go bankrupt. This can either:
1. Allow to disolve the union. Get rid of management. Get a new team of decision makers. Basically start a new company.
2. OR let the other automakers fill the gap (I think Ford will make through).


David From Windsor
said

Not everyone really sees the big picture. A large corporation going down like this? Everyone should be scared. The people that think that it's all those union workers that caused this are sadly mistaken.
This is a global problem and it's will only spread and get worse. I agree the big three needed to be more diverse, but at the same time we as a country helped create this problem by buying foreign. We need to keep the jobs in Canada or we will ALL be waiting for our EI check.


steve
said

Enough is enough !!! Gm has proven that for the past 3 years it is a failing company and throwing good money after bad has to stop. Rather then bailout these clowns, bailout the consumer. Economists say that in order to get out of recession we the people have to start spending money, so give the bailout money to us. That way the money will will go right back into the system as people pay of their debt and start buying consumer goods. RIP GM


Shirlee - SK
said

The auditors figured this out just now, wow. The rest of us seen the light at the end of the tunnel and that light is going out.


Bob
said

Bankruptcy is their best bet. They can re negotiate all contracts and get rid of the free loaders. Bankruptcy protection does not mean they are going to disappear, just re organize.


Layton B in NB
said

I was once a salesman at GM dealership and saw the writing on the wall all the way back in 2004. GM was heavy on trucks and SUVs and were selling few passenger cars. Most people I served were looking for vehicles we just didn't have. V6 sedans with standard transmissions. Hell a midsize sedan with a stick, period. Sports coupes. GM just had all the wrong product mix. All the car makers are down, its the ones who were not flexible that will go down. I just hope the UAW/CAW pull their heads from their asses and come to some sort of serious agreement. The boys at the union hall will just have to realize that they cannot suckle the golden cow for ever, they won't have health benefits until the day they die. No automaker can make money when every car they build has 2 or 3 decades of legacy labour expenses in the cost. If GM goes down it will be a crushing blow to the WORLDS economy.


Erin
said

If the North American car makers made good cars then I would buy them. Any NA cars that my family has ever owned have fallen apart in a few years. Now our family buys only Honda products. 5 people and 5 Hondas, never had a problem with any one of them and we will be driving them for many more years problem free. Its time for the government to stop giving taxpayer money to companies that are just going to fail in the long run.


Kelly
said

I say get rid of the union and start cleaning house.

I hear so many stories of lazy workers, employees stealing and people drinking on the job. It's time we say goodbye to those useless employees and start fresh.

Those who want their jobs must earn them like the rest of us. If my work performance wasn't up to my companies expectations I'd be fired. My performance is measured annually. None of this contract talks for 3 years crap.


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
said

I am sort of breaking the rules but I feel I need to respond to Ray Jacques,Glen Robertson.You wave the canadian flag, want us to support 'canadian 'indusry and the autopac.NEWSLASH for you 'canada' continues to exist outside of your limited'golden' triangle!!The West is VAST territory that starts at your border with Manitoba.
We buy all our overpriced tractors,trucks, equipment etc.etc.from manufactures located in Ontario because YOUR government forces us to!!
I tell you what fellas,, I will rush out and buy your GM product the very first time it rolls off the assembly line in Calgary!!! Thank you very much.


Cassidy Kanata
said

I would rather see major changes to our UI program by the government to allow for people in these difficult times. When we give money to these failing companies we are in fact passing on government responsibilities and duties of social assistance to be run by these failing companies that can't run their business properly. That doesn't make sense to me. Unemployment assistance should be reasonably avaialable and quickly. The billions being considered for mismanaged companies is ludicrus. We have sufficient choice and supply of successful manufacturures without having to bail these people out. Perhaps we could consider more deserving and required resource support for industies such as forestry and newcomers like green energy. More training for our comming health care crisis for our aging population, and support for our infrastructure. Enough said for manufacturures that are off the deep end.


Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON
said

TO: DRH

From your post about my post, I thnk that you think that I work at one of the big (3) car makers- I do not. I maunfuacture mixers in eastern Onatrio for water, waste water, mining etc.

You are entitled to your opinion too.

My belief is that all cars are terrible investments - All take a huge hit in depreciation. You need to keep a car for a long enough period of time to mitigate that depreviation loss.

Also,ALL car makers use internal combustion engines which are all 15% efficient. One car is no bteer than another in that regard, but loss of (1) or all of the big (3) in Canada would devestate OUR economy since it is with the big (3) car makers, that we enjoy the benefits of the Auto-PAct with the USA (our original free-trade deal - not with any oriental car maker.

I will be buying my next car from GM. I like their products. We need to keep them in Canada making cars for all of our good.

I do not believe that our Canadian economy can take such a big hit as losing (1) or all (3) of the big (3). We will become a have not county /rconomy and be lucky to sell our dirty oil, and un-wanted (And no longer really protected), softwood lumber to the USA.

I do not wish to overstate the case BUT...We need to do manufacture something in Canada ? How else can we produce wealth and jobs without manufacturing ?


Nancy - BC
said

Congratulations to all you people who continue to buy Japanese products. Do you really think that the money they make from you stays in North America -- think again -- it goes straight back to Japan.

And now there are reports that both Mazda and Honda are going to ask the U.S. government (and probably Canada as well) for bailout money as they are also losing money, just like the big 3. Here's hoping the U.S. tells them to take a hike.

Maybe it's time to close our borders to the imports from countries that don't allow us the same import rights. That will most definitely help our car manufacturers and employment as well.


Mike
said

GM suffers from the usual human condition... pride, greed, short sightedness.

Now it all comes home to roost. They thought they could do whatever they pleased and ignore the obvious trends and still stay in business. GM took their customers for granted and continued to build vehicles with built in planned obsolescence. It failed, they failed. Now they can pay the price for their stupidity and pride. Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson you might want to consider the pride factor as the reason for the demise. Its a common malady.


Dave From Toronto
said

GM should be forced into Bankruptcy protection, then it can sell off excess land and factories, sell off divisions and will probably emerge the size of KIA. Which is fine, at this rate a $30 billion bailout would only buy them another year at best.


tim
said

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Our tax money could be put to good use by using the factory buildings that the auto industry can't maintain or afford and refit to produce a Canadian built vehicle thats better than the rest. State of the art 100 mpg. We Canadians have the technology to do this easily. 13 Billion would have gone a long way to start up and i'm sure there would be some private investors to match that. At a time in history that other countries would understand the bold move, why not. HEAR THIS POLITICAL EMPLOYEES. Stop with the same old crap. It's not your money. You old thinkers, and i use that word thinkers loosely, need to broaden your vision or get out of politics.


PTOL
said

$13.4 billion tax payer dollars successfully flushed right down the toilet. Thanks GM. I will never buy a GM product again - EVER! They already have enough of my money via bailout. Good riddance and good riddance to the CAW as well!


Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON
said

Interesting post from Randy
about the cost of maintenance on GM cars.

I don't doubt that youe are telling the truth about your experiences.

What I do not understand is that I have bought (actually leased) GM cars for many years and have never had to pay (1) cent in maintenance costs. Any few problems have all been covered by warranty.

I would have thought that any car manufacturer provides similar garanties for problems. Maybe you were speaking about older cars ?

I just haven't had any problems...but more importantly, we have to decide if we want to keep a good source of income for Canadian workers, for tax revenues and for our trade balnce with the USA.

I will do my part by buying GM and I don't feel the slightest bit worried about doing so. I also know that I will have helped them (and Canadians) to the extent that I could from, contributing to the loss of such an important segment of our economy, to Canadian employment and to tax revenues.

I ask you to consider doing the same thing, at least until we are sure not to lose vitally important part of our economy.




Mel from Calgary
said

It turns out the left wing(NDP) was correct as long as we are a branch plant economy this will happen; Canadian operations sacrificed to keep the home factories open.(STELCO, Abitibi, Chrysler)

The best spending Canadians could do is put the money into Canadian research and developement, especially developement so the products could be brought to market.

As long as foreigners own our industry Canada's interests will be subservient.


Doug from Moncton
said

Wasn't it Harper that wasn't going to give a handout to the automakers but it was the threat from the "coalition" that forced him into this. I felt his economic update was dead on. Let's give Harper a real majority next time. Oh and please don't lump Ontario and Quebec in with the "east".


Susan
said

I really hope they don't keep shovelling these guys money. It's a failing company, let it fail!

As for buying NA cars there is no way. One of my earliest memories is being stuck on the side of the road in my mom's Transam she had bought brand new. And there are several of those memories, they only had that car one year. My next experience with a GM was my husband's cavelier when we met. It was always fairly unreliable but the year it came out of warrenty it slowly but surely racked up 13,000 in repair bills...more than it originally cost.

Unfortunately we just don't make enough money to support that sort of car. It's a massive purchase for us and I want to be absolutely sure the car is going to be top notch. So I'll stick with my Toyota Camrys...the only repair any of them have had was my 1985 I had in highschool; but that was because I destroyed the suspension driving recklessly with it. My current camry now has 150k and hasn't had a single repair.


Tori
said

What a waste of money the bail out is to these auto makers.

If they did not have financial issues before the recession maybe they could survive. Three years in a row posting a loss and no one in the company thought of restructuring? This is not an auto sector problem this is a management problem.

Any company who cannot come up with a solid restructuring program should be give NO MONEY from the government.

If GM goes brankrupt there are 13.4 billion reasons to never bail out a company again.

You have to give credit to the US government, they tried to help GM but, as predicted by many, in the end without the ability to have strong fiscal management there was no hope.

I feel sorry for the workers' families most of all. GM should have taken that 13.4 billion and given every person on payroll who is not a manager, a substantial payout to help tie them over until they could find new jobs.

I hope seeing GM fall is a lesson to all companies out there.

I also hope that the federal government launches an investigation as to where their 13.4 million dollars went. Bet someone is fat and laughing on an island some place right now.


M.E.H - Ontario
said

Started 4 small businesses - lost 3 to recessions - my responsibility.
No bailouts ! Would have been laughed at back in the 80's and 90's.
I ensured making payroll before paying myself!
Free enterprise--you play the game, if you don't make the right moves, you lose.
Failure will sprout new business. Don't use my tax $$$'s for incompetence!


Vic, Ottawa
said

Whats not in the above release is GM wants up to 7 Billion from the Canadian and Ontario governments. Sad to say but giving GM any money at this point would be throwing it away. They build cars no one wants. Why doesnt the Fed and Prov Governments invest in Canada's Zenn Car. They will shortly have a highway capable all electric car. This is the future.


Larry NL
said

Make me a family sized automobile that has a 10 year warranty,(at no extra cost) is reasonably priced ($10,000 - $25,000), is safe to drive, gets 30 kilometers per litre.
I'm willing to pay for oil changes, filters, rubber wear.
Do this and you will see a return market for your product.
After market repairs for North American cars too many and too costly. They seem to need repairs after the warranty expires. Are the on board computers programed that way? I wonder.


DCR-Toronto
said

Time to put that lame horse out of it's misery.

Stick a fork in them..their done.

The party is over! Stop wasting my tax dollars on something that is bound to fail...REGARDLESS of how much money you throw at them. Spending a million dollars (or there abouts) to save a couple jobs is absolute madness. Then times that by a few million. Companys come...and companys go.....it is NOT the governments job to make sure they don't go under. These companys are an anchor on this country and the rope should be cut. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!


nc
said

Save the tax payer. It's clear that GM is dead. I have friends and relatives that work for GM. I feel bad for them.



Rob
said

Why don't they go and ask the auto unions for a bail out. There the ones that got them into this mess. NOT THE TAX PAYERS!


Cal BC
said

At this stage I would be willing to pay a fund to help these guys go under.

There sounds like no hope and is a black hole to toss money into.

What's the point of having capitalism if we keep paying losers to stay in the game?

Best part they are still paying the CEO 5mil a year to do this. I feel for the employees but this is the titanic of north american industry.


GHW
said

In my mind there is only one reason the government would continue to bail out GM, the politicians are getting kickbacks from GM lobbyists. This happens all the time; it’s what big business does.

Letting GM go into bankruptcy would be the best thing that could happen. It would allow the company to restructure into a smarter leaner meaner company getting rid of all the corrupt idiotic management, union contracts, all its debt, and the list goes on. Additionally if I were the new management of a new GM I’d move my plants to new cities too. Most of the long term union workers are spoiled needy me-me-me people made that way by a long term diet of union/NDP rhetoric.



Andre
said

Monopolies are known to be inefficient and the CAW has a monopoly.
The big 3 have been too chicken to deal harshly with the CAW and have signed lavish contracts which have made their product unaffordable and uneconomical to build.
We, the taxpayers, should not be made to pay for the mistakes of the cowards who simply didn't have the courage to stand up to the ridiculous demands of the unions. I don't blame the unions whose job it is to extract as much as possible from the companies. I blame the companies for not having the courage to push back.
Now, this cowardice is coming back to bite them and the whole industry is about to collapse. Good. Let it die and start fresh with new contracts that make sense for the type of economic situation we are in.
Oh...also, can we start selling some the GM's european products (Opel for instance) which are far superior in quality and performance to the dull and boring garbage GM produces in North America? (for those who disagree, one word...Aztec).



Mary in Calgary
said

GM Affiliates Outsourced my job in Calgary, Canada... they asked for bailout loans and paid off their executives bonuses and now say they want 30 billion more of MY TAX MONEY? They are a PRIVATE company... as such... let their creditors have a feast... they are nothing but irresponsible. Don't let this drag on anymore... Just say NO!


Doug BC
said

Unlike so many here,I am grateful for the quality of the GM vehicles that I've been driving over the last 4 decades.Not one iota of trouble from even one of them.And "no",I don't think they were overpriced.
One pick up truck we owned toted our family and our camper over 450,000 km before we traded it in.I seriously doubt that most of the people complaining about the quality or the price of GM's vehcles have actually owned owned one.They just have some sense of loyalty to another brand.Many people pick their vehicles using the same flawed logic they use to pick their political parties.Then spend a huge amount of energy defending their position.
I don't have the expertise to know whether or not these companies can be returned to profitability after this recession ends.And,frankly these posts indicate that most of the writers don't know either.Opinions should be considered only when expressed by someone who actually knows what he/she is talking about.Using that as a measuring stick,very few here would pass the smell test.
Tax dollars must be used wisely.And it's not uncommon to have genuine differences as to how to do that.THis will be a difficult choice for governments in both Canada and the USA.WHile I'm not generally in favour of bail-outs,this situation is quite unique.And,frankly if my tax dollars are going to be spend,I'd rather they were spend saving or creating jobs for people who will work,as opposed to mailing out cheques to those who won't,or for opening up sites for people to shoot themselves up with illegal and life devastating drugs.
IF there is a path to success here,we need to take it.GM will have to be creative,and the CAW can not use tax subsidies to support higher wages.


Jimmy
said

Ummmm JD Power....

2008 Cadillac CTS was voted car of the year.....

That's GM right???




Jen
said

GM should not be given anymore handouts. Their management needs to go. They are totally incompetent. They wasted billions on the electic car in the 90's, people wanted electric cars. It would have been a start to cleaning up the planet. They did a half hearted promotion, then because of GREED(the love of money) GM recalled every electric car and destroyed them. They needed new management at that time. These guys at the top of the corporation should not be rewarded for their stupidity and sheer waste of billions.


GHW
said

GM is a foreign owned company just like Honda and Toyota. All we can expect and demand from any of them is to create local jobs. Why are considering bailing out GM again? Aren’t we insisting Honda and Toyota build there cars here in Canada too? What are the politicians not telling us? I don’t want my tax dollar bailing out some rich GM executive. These executives are the source of the problem and need to go.
THIS IS CAZY!!!



Richard L. Provencher
said

I wish the unions would open their books publicly and let everyone know how much they have accumulated over the years. And if it is a lot, then they should help the companies stay solvent, and/or help the workers who are laid off permanently.


G Gray Petawawa
said

In NS we went through the same problem with Sydney Steel Co. and kept on giving them money to keep them going. Turned out to be a huge Money Pit that cost the govt/taxpayers hundreds of millions before everybody saw the light and just let them go. Its time to do the same thing now with GM. Overpriced mobile computerized gadgets that most of us can't afford anyhow. Its a new era. Time for somebody with real thinking for the future to step up to the plate.


Frank Buchan (Vauxhall, Alberta by way of Ontario)
said

I own a Saturn Ion, and it's a great car (a GM product for those who aren't sure). Nonetheless, it has its drawbacks like any car, and one of them is that it is a tad questionable in its quality/design. It does cost a few hundred a year to maintain, but generally does the job it was intended to do. Service has always been good, and I have no large complaints; I would probably buy another.

Still, I always thought GM was unworthy of loans of any kind. It is at its core a badly managed company, so much so it allowed its union to dictate its opportunities. You can't blame the union for using the power weak management handed it.

For those who think letting GM die is an economic disaster, observe that continuing to distort the market by propping it up is even worse, because all it does is delay the inevitable and weaken the competition. Thankfully (?) none of our politicians will act wisely, so future generations can figure it all out. Sad.


Edwin from Toronto
said

$3 billion loan to a company that can only survive for another year?

NO WAY!!!

Put the money in EI system and help every canadian that is out of job, not just for employees of a failing american company.


Teddy G.
said

GM, like the Toronto Maple Leafs must, at some point say, 'we can't win with this model'. They must dissolve, bring in new, bold management and let the restructuring begin. It's hard to get excited about draft picks and fresh ideas now, but innovation and sound planning will bring about a future of new leaders and a quality product. Please tear it down to it's core and rebuild. The leafs have started, time to take a hint GM.


Pip
said

Why can't GM - and governments, for that matter - accept the fact that evolutionary theory works for businesses as well as living creatures: adapt or die. The big three did not adapt, now they are dying. Will government money prevent that? Not likely, but it will line the pockets of GM employees and management, with no benefit or return to the taxpayer.




Unions are the problem
said

I have owned many GM product and still do. My 1999 Buick Lesabre is still running well and I have had little or no problems with it. The problem with GM is not quality, it's production cost. Until they can re-organize and get rid or the useless and expensive union, they should not get another penny.


mike c
said

Important note:
If the Canadian Federal Govt.
assists the car industry billions of dollars,shouldnt
they be forced to help every
other company with a problem?
IE...the airlines,truckers
etc....


Kevin
said

hmmm, crap vehicles from GM eh?
my '94 GMC has well over 300000km on it, no rust, and still runs great.
no problem.

hope they survive.
good luck.


Kevin
said

btw, maybe we can get over this union bashing, most autos are assembled with under 20hrs labour. do the math.
the delivery charge on the vehicle is usually more than the labour cost.
autoworkers do not make $72 an hour, contrary to that popular urban myth.


Lance
said

I read a lot of comments about letting GM go under and so what about the Union workers. The CAW workers are important parts of the community with donations like to UNITED WAY and HOSPITALS and other CHARITIES. They also help out other workers when they need help. The Union WOrkers are not selfish and yet there are so many people wish them harm by either losing their jobs or retirees to lose their pensions. Talk about being cold-hearted folks.


C from Ottawa
said

If North Americans aren't buying GM cars and trucks that's not the fault of the consumer, it's the fault of the manufacturor.

In this case the adage "The customer is always right" truly does apply as it was meant to: the customer will vote with their wallets, particularly on a major purchase like an automobile.

Why are people buying Toyotas, Hondas, Kias, etc? They're fuel efficient and generally better looking cars. People feel they get better bang for the buck. If they thought GM cars were better value they would buy GM cars.

If GM truly wanted to change its ways and recover they would have started doing so after they posted such a huge loss three years ago. They should have looked at their competitors and learned, made more fuel efficient cars, instead of cranking out hummers and other massive SUVs.


jenner
said

Where is the Canadian inginuity, why can't we build out own cars - why do we have to rely on an American company - we can't afford to bail out the greedy, ( executives ) which is where the money will end up


Al
said

Why doesn't GM use their profits from the times they had great ones? Oh wait they gave all of those away to their executives, instead of investing and building a contingency fund for these times. How many times have financial anylists told us to have savings stored up for bad times? Ity is time for them to sink or swim on their own merits. We may lose warranties, but those companies making the part for GM could still produce replacement parts (unless they too have not saved from good times for the bad times)


AdamJ, Ontario
said

Jimmy

Ummmm JD Power....

2008 Cadillac CTS was voted car of the year.....

That's GM right???
*****************************

It may well have been, and yes it is GM, but the hefty $38,900 BASE PRICE is out of reach for a good portion of Canadians (myself included).





Miramichi Kid
said

So long as the money given is a loan and not a handout. I am sick and tired of seeing tax money subsidizing businesses that buckle to over paid, under educated union workers and in turn are unable to turn a profit. The real kicker is when the union worker with complete and utter disbelief receives his last check.


Bob in Harley
said

Let us understand the bailout is a loan not a giveaway. The unions need to face reality and accept $20.00 per hour with normal benefits not the rich man's benefits of the auto sector. GM need to clean out half of their executives and replace them as required. No more benefits beyond retirement (live like the rest of us) very moderate pensions and I can support helping them. If not let them go bankrupt then they have nothing.


Kelly from Med Hat, AB
said

GM is a dead horse. Quit kicking it, it's not going to wake up!

GM knew what was happening in the markets 3 years ago(just like Ford which started to restructure at that time) and they did absolutely nothing to change.

How can Wagoner take a 5 million $ bonus with a clear conscience? Bob Lutz was smart and got out while the gettin' was good!

As for GM quality; there is none, and I have owned GM products which were the worst vehicles that I have ever had. I work in the auto industry but not for any manufacturer and GM's quality is declining even further. I know of 5 brand new GM's that have had serious problems within 1 month of purchase. They build 7 out of the 12 most dangerous vehicles. How could anyone have any peace of mind in their product?

From my experience dealing with vehicles over the last few years the best brands for quality RIGHT now are Honda, Ford and Toyota (in that order). Toyotas quality has declined somewhat over the last 2 years. They have had more recalls than either Honda or Ford.

GM is DONE. Quit throwing our money away. By the way, the woes of the auto industry have hurt my business substantially but I wont see any bailout.


Mark
said

Tax money should be used to invest in the future enterprises not prop up the failing businesses of the past.

GM should survive on it own or fail. The world will not end.

Creative destruction is key to capitalism. Free up the resource (people, money, materials) from the failed business to fuel the new ones.

No more handouts/bailouts to companies.

Let them go into bankruptcy protection and restructure. If they can't come out of that stronger then let them fall.


NORM
said

GM stands for General Motors is only superficial. GM really stands for GREED + MONEY.

Life is good for GM management and CAW members for as long as I can remember now is the time for them to join real people suffering for the longest time. It's called cycle of life.


Edwin from Toronto
said

For people defending the quality of GM cars are excellent.

My friend works for huge suppliers of motor parts for repairs.

The best selling motor parts are for GM vehicles, needed as early as 1 year old GM vehicles.

Individuals may have good experience with their own GM but demand tells everything.

GM bankruptcy will not kill the motor industries, my friend's company got 50% rise in part sales recently.


Cassidy Kanata
said

Perhaps GM could access this wonderful CTV web site and get a little better understanding of what a cross section of Canadians feel or think about GM and their products. I stopped buying North American designed and built autos some time ago and with good reason as expressed by so many here at this site. I think North American assemblers are as good as they come....but design and integrity for reliability...I don't think so. That does not say anything for mismanagement which most people feel is bad.


George in Calgary
said

Many times when a company is in trouble the employees step forward and purchase part or all of the company. I do not hear any such talk from the CAW or UAW. Why is that anyway? Do they know something we do not? Could it be that they recognize that that would be a bad investment? Or do they not want to be owners and face the reality that what they produce is of no use to the buying public at the moment?

Maybe the unions should come forward with their own bail out package for the industry and buy into the product they produce.

Oh by the way I heard the diamond mines up north are laying off to. They also produce a product no one is really keen on in this economic cycle. Perhaps the government should bail them out to (actually they will since they are located in the NWT which we all know is continually propped up by an endless supply of government money)?


Tony, Chilliwack, BC
said

I say if GM, Ford, Chev, would make cars last and repair costs down people would keep buying the cars and trucks. They have lost faith in consumers. More people are going towards Toyota and Honda's why? Beacuse you get more bang for your bucks repairs are less and if and when repairs are needed its cheaper. Here is the thing you make better cars, make fewer cars that last longer people will come back to buy another one. Pure economics!


The production cost problem for US car companies
said

is the lack of publicly funded health care.

The US car companies have high costs because they are subsidizing the rip-off US health care system.

It's unfortunate and unfair that the Canadian branches of US car companies are penalized when they are more productive. That productivity is due in part to the superior Canadian health care system.




Edwin from Toronto
said

Government should provide loan to CAW to buy facilities of GM in Canada and start building cars as brand CM - Canadian Motors.

CAW said they build qaulity cars and they salary is fair. Now they can prove it.



Rena
said

I truthfully don't know what
the correct solution is but
you cannot continue building vehicles when all the dealerships have so much inventory. Maybe some of the bailout money should be given to the consumer in form of a credit to buy some of these vehicles. Last weekend we went looking at new GM trucks and the prices are outrageous. And to those who bash the quality of GMs products you are nuts I have never had any of my GM products leave me sitting and you talk about 150 thousand KMS on your Camry well my GM truck has 310+ thousand KMS on it and while we did put in a tranny for $2300 it was our own damn fault because we did not put a cooler on it and pulled thousands of pounds with it and this was only after 260 thousand KMS. The truck is still going up and down the road and does require maintenance but this vehicle owes me nothing. Lets see how much you Camry cost you after 310+ thousand KMS.


Laur
said

What stats do people use? How do you figure, that over the past few years, more people bought Honda and Toyota? Until this rescession the North American manufacturers outsold Honda and GM outsold Toyota until this year, so what are you talking about? Use the right facts before spouting off that more people buy toyota and Honda, GM was the #1 selling manufacturer until just this past year when toyota outsold them, but even then they were #2 with less access to markets around the world. Therefore, if you use the real numbers, many many people buy GM, Ford and Chrysler, more people do not buy Toyota and Honda than the "Big 3", stop spouting what the media tells you and look at the real numbers. As for GM parts selling more, well yes, there are more of them on the road, it only makes sense they need more parts! And many of those parts are upgrades, or for regular maintenance, not all parts are because something is broken. This is why people have a skewed view of the reality of this situation.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

When are we going to make a business decision, rather than a government decision? I don't see any stimulus to the economy in the US, and Cap and Trade is going kill what's left in Michigan. Obama's team are theorists and academics with not one business owner, and we're supposed to think they can turn the economy around? Good intentions by government are only making the situation worse.


Kent
said

Using taxpayers money to bail out these overpaid, inefficient and poorly managed companies in the auto sector is totally LUDICROUS.
Let economic nature take it's course and we will end up with a stronger more resilient economy. Bail them out and it will weaken the economy and it will be happening all over again.
Time to turn the page.

Lets use tax payers money to help all taxpayers.
Educating and assisting Individuals and small business makes way more sense.

But I forgot, we have the government and the high payed executives working on this bailout plan. Taxpayer get ready to bend over again.


Shaun
said

Why do people assume that because GM is in trouble, that automatically assumes all the big three are in the same situation?
How much money has Ford asked for?



GMan
said

I don't believe in bailouts. If you've done something wrong with your business, you should go out of business.
What guarantee do we have that after GM takes the bailout money, they'll start running the business more efficiently? Or produce better products? NONE!
All the bailout is doing is it assures GM that when they screw up, the government will back them up. So it's ok to keep running the business the way they have.


Open Mentis
said

Let's get this clear.

I don't have a dime. I work 12 hours a day to get MY business off the ground...

Where's my bailout?!

If you can't get your business to be efficient or/and effective and you're running in the red (what a luxury, by the way), then it's time to put the key in the door.

As was mentioned earlier, someone/something will fill the void... So be it.



Peter Hunziker
said

It is incurraging to see governments to rethink the bailout of the "Big Three".Throwing money at the three failures does not guarantee that they learned anything. The industry must adjust to a new environement where purpose, service, and need replaces profit.


Jeff in Eastern Ontario
said

Sounds to me like they're setting up their excuses for why they can't pay back the bailout "loans". Pull the plug!


Bob from Bolton
said

It boggles my mind....
HOW....do these bailout packages help the ordinary man or women purchase these cars?
With out us purchasing, how in the world does the Government expect these companies to ever to make a profit and even think about paying back the loans.

LET THEM GO.......


MRC in Ontario
said

I don't know much about business but why doesn't General Motors claim bankruptcy and rebirth itself as "General Motors II"? As GM2, it can still maintain the same brands (but should drop many) and pickup their same customer warranties. Can a massive corporation truly go "bankrupt"?---No individual actually goes bankrupt.


Sherry
said

I sure hope our government hasn't given them a dime. Why keep pumping money into a dying company. It seems a little ridiculous doesn't it. Not a penny more.


Gord
said

Enough! It's time to move on rather than keep pouring our money into this auto sector rathole. Federal Finance Minister Flaterty is in a political bind since he represents an area adjacent to Oshawa that has a lot of auto worker voter residing there. That's why he's listening to all this tin cup rattling. And it appears Ontario taxpayers are responsible for all this GM pension fund underfunding. The Feds have told Ontario it's not their problem, it's an Ontario responsibility. HUH! How, when and who took on this responsibility? Since when does a government guarantee private pension funds?
Premier McGinty has also promised Hamilton Stelco steel workers help as well. Where does all this bail out money come from? Borrowing from foreigners that's where. Ontario government revenues has hit the wall and now we need to borrow 1.5. billion [that's with a B] PER MONTH just to keep the Ontario government going.
We need to batten the hatches and live frugally and meet the upcoming pain head on and just let the capitalist system sort these matters out.NO MORE BAILOUTS TO AUTO, STEEL OR WHATEVER!


Saverio
said

I guees that the auto industry can not sustain a labout cost of $70. + per hour (including burdens and benefits) when compared to the non-unionized plants in North America. The time has long since passed to get back in line with reality. The ones I really feel for are those that retired many years ago thinking that they were set for life and now expect Joe taxpayer to sustain their pensions. Yea right, as soon as the taxpayer agrees to provide me with a better $$$ pension, not very likely.


R. Murph
said

Those who are gloating now and urging the govt. to let GM fall had better watch what they wish for.The demise of a great portion of what is left of manufacturing in Canada will affect all Canadians. Ideology, envy and mean spirited pettiness is no replacement for responsible govt. intervention.


Vince M
said

Auto union benefits... did you know?

You get 10 Special Paid Allocation Days (SPA Days) a year. You just call in and take the day off - with pay.

You can get help with paying lawyers in a divorce.

There is benefit money for putting your kids through university.

There is probably a lot of other hair-brained benefits available to them.

Any wonder they are going under?


Victoria Guy
said

A vehicle is a major purchase, it has to be lived with for years to come.

I will not go into years of paying for repairs on a substandard product, I have to look out for my own finances and not the finances of those on the assembly lines.

The quality of GM cars IS NOT up to par. I was close to buying a Cobalt SS last summer, but the dashboard made of lego plastic and the tire pressure sensor failing on the test drive did not give me a lot of confidence. With GM's financial troubles I did not want to risk being left without a warranty, especially with a performance car.



Ian
said

Doug - BC,& Ray Jaques

I have owned 4 GMC S-15's and still own an Envoy.

When I started out I wanted to stay NA, thats why I bought GM, as it turned out I have had problems with every vehicle.
I have had nothing but problems with the Envoy from day one, it costs me a bunch of money all the time. Even to the point that I bought extended warrenty (which the dealer sold me and turned out to be a farce)
Recently had to replace tensioner pulley - GM only sell complete tensioner ($180 +) and a belt ($ 60.35).
Go to other stores and buy belt for $ 35.00 and a pulley for $ 17.00 (same products) - can you say GM rip off.

2003 Envoy (+ 40,000 dollars)140,000 km - rust proofed from GM dealer - rusting and the weasels won"t fix it !!!

Thats why the pickup in my driveway is a Toyota Tacoma - MADE IN CALIFORNIA - North America

If I was able to afford another new vehicle it won't be NA.

If I had the time and patience I would list every work order for the sh*t box, but I don't.

Have to go now - my TUMS are waiting!





ANONYMOUS
said

It was only a matter of time the BIG 3 would go belly up...The company has been losing money for years and it's not fair for us (the tax payers) to constantly bail these companies out. There was mismanagement in the company...and CEO dont want to cut back on their salaries (GREEDY!!!!).


Greg
said

Hey everyone

I don't like giving taxpayer money to the auto industry either but I do not like the consequences of them going under. Remember that if we eliminate that much competition we will be paying more for cars in the future. Look at a lot of the foreign car sellers in Canada. Until recently they had very little in the way of incentives and their vehicles are priced slightly higher. competition from the American manufactures has been good for car buyers.

regards


Art in Alberta
said

You people that say "Let them go...let the people get jobs and move on" have no idea of the implications involved here. If any of the Big 3 were to go under, our entire economy would be affected, not just the auto industry.

I am tired of hearing Westerners complain about the coverage Ontario gets, and I live in Alberta. The heart of the matter is, Ontario contributes enormously to the nation's economy; so what happens there does affect us all.

We need to support our governments decisions to aid the auto industry and consider purchasing Big 3 vehicles over imports.

I fear the worst if GM goes bankrupt. The ironic thing, should this happen, we'll just be reading here from the current nay-sayers that we should have done more.

Wake up people!


steve
said

To those of you that cannot see the big picture let me explain, if G.M. goes away that could mean as much as 3 million people in North America could be unemployed, if they average $20,000 each in taxes, that would leave the economy, plus their income of $65,000 each would leave the economy, plus the strain on U.I. and welfare, etc. It does not take an ecomomic genius to figure out that if the auto sector disappears the great depression of the twenties will look like a walk in the park.


John from Sask
said

It's quite obvious that the GM management have not got the message. They are planning a new Cadilac station wagon. This and so many other models don't make sense. It may be time for one company to make sedans, one to make trucks and one to make mini vans


The Hammer
said

CAW Union President says cuts to wages and benefits won't be necessary. Are the membership of CAW serious? It's time the Governments tell these union members that they are done. No Bailout money to these imbeciles please. IN the long run, GM & Chrysler will not survive, so why spend money on a sinking ship(s).

And get the CAW Union Pres. off whatever medication he's on, because it's impairing his thought process.


Richard
said

OK so I watch TV and what do I see. The big 3 advertising trucks and SUV's!!!! Yup they get the picture alright. First those are the most expensive vehicles made. Oh I see they don't know there is a recession on. The union says it has done all it can. OK Ken, that's fine, hope you feel good whe the members who pay your salary are gone and your big six figure salary needs to be cut. Bailout, yes right. These guys have learned nothing. They are a going concern because they don't know how to change. Let's also not forget that we don't need to buy the big 3 to keep the auto industry going. The foreign makers have plants in Canada and the USA as well. They employ all kinds of people and they make cars we want to drive are dependable and affordable and they get it when they advertise. Capitalism works when the weak get swallowed for all their STUPID mistakes. The world always survives. A bankruptcy is what we need to send a clear message to all, get real or your out!!!


Dick Varley
said

Any bailout to the auto industry is just welfare in another form. The same funds should be used to directly support unemployed workers until they can be retrained for other sectors of the economy. If the big three can't compete profitably with other car manufacturers then the should go under. It is interesting that Ford has been very quiet through all of this and are not looking for a bail out at this time.


Trimmer21
said

How much more evidence do you people need that wages and benefits ARE NOT the problem being dealt with here!Slamming autoworkers with piddly,small-minded BS will not help.What is this,misery loves company stuff?I lost my job so screw you ,too?Pathetic,people,just pathetic!


donna
said

It's not just about the actual line worker. The cuts need to come from the top in all of the companies.
There is no way that any man is worth wages of over $200,000 + especially in this day and age. The big shots like Rick Wagner needs to receive a very serious wage cut and many other added bonuses too. The economy as a whole is in really rough shape.
It's not just the Automotive people who have had it good. Tell me, how many people leaving messages are working for under $12.00/ hour??? I am..... Stop blaming the workers for the problem. The babyboomers are the ones to thank. Times were really good for them, and now we are all paying for it.


DAS in HFX
said


GM, crap vehicles !!!!

I SAY NOT.

I have been buying GM products for 30 years, all have been new ones and never have I bought used. Everyone of these vehicles have been great cars.

My current vehicle a 2004 GMC Envoy has been the best Gm vehicle I have owned.
In the past 5 years I had to take the vehicle in for a small warranty fix that is alland that was 3 years ago.

The Envoy has 101,000 kms as of last week and it still has the ORIGINAL BRAKES AND NO RUST TO BE FOUND ON THE VEHICLE.
Just had it checked over and found nothing to fix !!!

Can any of you PATRIOTIC FOREIGN CAR OWNERS say the same about your cars ?





Edwin from Toronto
said

Let the market decide if the market still need GM.

Subsidize every canadian to buy a new car at 50% off.

We shall see if we still need GM, especially those thinking GM is better quality


Dan LeClair
said

I just bought a car - a Toyota. Why would I buy a car with a 5 year warranty from an American company that might not be here next month? I am not waiting for GM (or others) to declare bankruptcy to scare me off - their current situation is scary enough. I only get to spend $25000 once – I can’t afford to risk it on a shaky American firm.


Greg in Cambridge
said

HEY CHRYSLER!!!!
I'd love to buy a Van...anybody's but it has to get at least 50-60 miles per gallon. Where's the hybrid Van?
No one makes them.Why?
No foresight and they don't think getting better mileage is an issue.



Concerned Citizen - Ottawa
said

The auto industry has an enormous impact on the Canadian Economy. Led by vehicle manufacturers, the industry comprises nearly 12% of manufacturing GDP, represents 22% of Canada's merchandise trade (¼ of total trade in goods with the U.S.), generates an annual trade surplus of $13 billion (20% of Canada's total); and procures over $30 billion annually from Canadian parts and service suppliers (roughly 3 times the amount of procurement for the federal government including defense spending). Within North America, Canada's new vehicle sales are roughly 1.5 million units annually (approximately 8% of the N.A. total sales), while production averages around 2.6 million units (about 16% of the N.A. total production).




AJW
said

if people would quite buying the import crap, then our auto sector would be viable. but I always maintain that the crappy imports are more expensive to buy and to repair. I know I owned one, and never again.


AJW
said

Keep the imports out. I think the government here as goes the government in Korea not allow these imports unless Korea allows our imports to come into the country. I guess that means that in Korea, they must be driving the cars that were stolen here and shipped over there for their use.


Edwin from Toronto
said

GM is No. 1 top car seller last year. Also top loser last year.

Why a company lost money when they sold the most car?

Simple answer, their business model is not viable. Buying more GM cannot help them.


Shawn
said

Ian, I feel your fustration with GM products, that is why my less than 2 year old unstable GM car is still in an unidentified Dodge dealership with serious engine problems. Thankfully I have moved past the North American Vehicles and into a stable import. Did I mention that GM did not want to help with the repairs to the engine...So rant all you want I think we all feel the same way. They obviously need money to stay afloat to bad that they will utilize this money in all the wrong areas, one of which does not include bettering their already weak line-up. Good Ridance to GM, I hope they fall hard, and a new company emerges that provides a far superior product.


Ryan from T.O.
said

If we kick GM to the curve, Chrysler too, do people realize just how many Canadian families will be hurt by this? From the assembly line, to parts suppliers, all the way down to dealerships? They have mouths to feed, need a roof over their head, just like you and I do. It's not fair to say let them go get another job. Not during these hard times. We're in a recession people! I don't think it's fair to these blue collar workers who are the ones working their asses off inside these hot stuffy factories day after day. And they will be the ones who will suffer the most through this, not the upper crust white collared employees who have a few hundred thousand or more stashed away in their big fat bank accounts. If thousands of the assemblers, parts manufacturers, and car dealers are out of work, then how is this helping the economy?
As for those bumper stickers that say, "Out of a job yet? Then keep buying foreign!" don't tell me to buy a GM, Chrysler, or Ford vehicle just because it's built in America. By the way, so are Honda and Toyota vehicles, right here in Canada! I'm going to buy what I feel is the best vehicle that fits my needs, no matter what make it is!
My only beef is auto assemblers make almost twice as much as someone who is building parts for the vehicle. They all should be paid the same. I have known people in the small town I used to live in who would come home from their parts assembly job just covered in blackness, while these auto assemblers come home looking like they just came home from church! Get rid of the unions!


Ian
said

If GM made a car worth buying I would consider it. The problem is they do not hire talented designers nor do they invest the time to see where the market is going. That is why we end up with gas guzzling hummers and ugly small cars. Both My Honda and my VW were built here in Canada so I have done my part to support Canadian autoworkers. Its time for the big 3 to support the autoworkers by designing products people actually want and need.


Kelly in Med Hat, AB
said

Just an add on to my earlier comment: Why is it that Ford is the company that is making all the breakthroughs on new agreements with the CAW and not GM or Chrysler when they are the companies in trouble? Just a thought.


D.K.
said

Let GM and Chrysler seek bankruptcy protection. They will come back hopefully ready to make vehicles the public want to buy. Of the millions thet would be unemployed... That would not happen under restructuring some would keep working and all the other car manufacturers in NA such as Toyota, Nissan Honda would hire them for the new plants that they would have to be building to take up the slack.

As far as Japan and Korea allowing the sale of NA pick ups and SUV's in their country...why would anyone even think that would happen. They already make much better trucks that fit on their roads.

Also love the comments from those that have only driven North American cars and trucks for 40 or 50 years. How can you judge the quality of cars you have never owned?


Ryan from T.O.
said

AJW...Foreign crap? Look at the top 10 best selling cars for the past 5 years, and a majority of them are foreign vehicles! Why? Because they have been listening to what the consumer wants in a vehicle. GM...not so much!


Willie Everlearn
said

"worried about viability of automakers"

And so they should be. GM is practically done for. There's oi point in throwing public funds into this bottomless pit. Our tax dollars would be much better spent in diversifying Ontario's branch-plant economy.


Ian
said

Nancy in BC.
Close our borders? I cant think of one single Canadian car company still in existance. the Big 3 are American. You think none of the money is going into the states just as it is to Japan? But sure yes lets close our boarders and we can eat snow salad in the winter and buy logs from each other to keep our economy rock solid.


Dunny from Manotick
said

The best thing we could do for our businesses is to buy made in Canada products. For the auto industry this means Chrysler 300, Chevy Silverado, the new Ford Flex and yes, the Toyota Corolla among others. Most of the "Big 3"'s North American vehicles use many made in Canada parts too so if you buy a car made in the USA it's close to buying one made here.

Our biggest problem in the auto industry is countries that only export to us and don't reciprocate by building vehicles here to export to home markets like Japan and Korea. The banks are also a real hinderance to us getting out of this mess offering up 8.99% interest rates when they are getting our money, you got it "our" money from the Bank of Canada at a rate of 0.5%.


Remarkable
said

The auto sector can be a viable industry, however GM, Ford and Chrysler are going to have to stop doing business the way they have been for so many years.

There are to way to many brands of companies under the GM emblem that needs to go as well as Ford and Chrysler.

GM, Ford and Chrysler should get out of the parts manufacturing business all together and leave it to the experts like Magna, Martinrea and other non union companies, who have the expertise and the ability to build parts cheaper and better.

They should stick to just assembling vehicles, marketing and selling them.

The CAW and UAW should begin a practise that Magna has negotiated with the CAW, however these unions who have hijacked and demanded so much over the last couple of generations are going to have to start giving back more then they have already given back.



Big Jim
said

Want to make sure your next car is made in Canada, make sure the first VIN starts with a 2. That will keep fellow Canadians in jobs.


Joseph
said

All that our tax dollars will be doing is paying fo the CEO's bonuses when they declare bankruptcy and leave Canada. Why are we paying giving them money that will just be used on the Americans plants and when our government tries to get our wasted money back I doubt the U.S will co-operate.

I used to work in the Oshawa plant as a contract worker and before being layed off I already seen the factory being dismantled from the inside out. They are ready to shut down that plant the second the Americans tell them it's time to leave Canada.


Lance
said

And people talking about how companies like Toyota have better quality then GM has is a fable. The #1 recall company is Volkswagon and the #2 recall company is Toyota(surprised I bet).


James
said

Yes, no more taxpayer's money! Declare bankruptcy and restructure everything for all the big 3. MAY'BE!! They MIGHT just have a chance at survival! It's not fair for the average taxpayer to bail out badly run companies with overpaid workers that are not competetive in today's world.


Mike
said

I support GM and their cars/trucks. I just bought a new 2009 Chev Malibu today and will continue to support my fellow Canadians. I'm totally disgusted by the comments of some of the anti-GM and pro import people here. You really are a sorry bunch of Canadians.


Edwin from Toronto
said

If the CAW workers can build quality vehicles, they should not afraid of GM bankruptcy.

A new business will start to hire them again and sell quality cars at a profit.

Or let the CAW own the GM and build cars in Canada for their own survival.

Don't tell others that I am good but I also need your money.


ken
said

NO MORE BAILOUT MONEY!!!!!

I have owned many GM & CHRYSLER vehicles. I will say only that GM & CHRYSLER are getting thier just desserts. For years they have been building the biggest pieces of @#$$% and charging us an arm and a leg for them. I won't even get into thier warranties. In the real world only the strong survive.To GM i send out a heartfelt good riddance.I hope that the surviving automakers wake up and smell the coffee, because when it comes to quality and honest sales those will be the ones that come out on top


Peter1951
said

I am "WORRIED" I am or should I say "WAS" the proud owner of a 2006 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi or I should say I lease it. My question is should I turn it in or should I take it right straight to the demolition derby? Next question, what kind of deal is Chrysler going to give me to keep this truck when the lease is up in a couple of months?????
Looking for advise, Thanks



Taylor
said

"My next car will be a GM (as have my past dozen or so), "...

I've noticed that people who buy Domestic brands exclusively only own those cars for a few years before replacing them.

I've also noticed that the majority of those who purchase import vehicals enjoy them for 5 years or more.

The Big 3's whole business model has been to sell car's and truck as "disposable". They should receive NO tax dollars. They've made their bed - they can lie in it.


Rhonda Pick Enderby
said

Hasn't Ford,set up a big manufacturing plant,in Mexico,that covers acres and acres..............

Isn't GM getting sued over putting the wrong antifreeze in there mid sized cars.That apparently eats up the plastic parts,and kills the engines?

Yep we should bail them all out!pouring our tax money down a endless drain.



Edwin from Toronto
said

A company is the top seller last year. - GM

A company lost $30 billion last year - GM

GM makes quality cars in Canada - CAW

Are they talking about the same company?

Give the money to Ford and help them build more cars in Canada. Let GM go bankrupt.

The amount of bailout should be in direct proportion to the number of cars produced in Canada.


Vic, Ottawa
said

Instead of giving away Billions to American auto companies for nothing... the jobs won't be saved, the government should just give it back to Canadians as a rebate to purchase that new vehicle you've always wanted, or also could be used to be building materials for a reno. There would be a big spike in sales that will save jobs now that otherwise will not come for years. Who's with me on that one?


Paul in BC
said

I do know one thing GM will not get my bus. ever again.After the way they treated me,LEAKY INTAKE GASKETS caused by DEXICOOLANT.This was there problem and it cost me $2,000 bucks.Honda/Toyota next!!quit spending my money to bail em out,give a bucket and they can bail for a while...


bwilson
said

Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON wrote this
"I don't agree at all with the quality issues that some continue to raise. It is just not true that Janenese cars are better than cars from thre big (3). Why are you so brain-washed into believe these fairy tales - Do you really want us to lose our Auto-Pact with the USA ?"

How about this for a fairy tale? The last GM vehicle I bought was a 1988 Cavalier and it had a crappy paint job from day one. When the paint on the hood started peeling and chipping after less than a month the GM dealer said it was because I was driving on gravel roads. I pointed out Highway 417 in Ottawa wasn't exactly a gravel road. I had to fight to get the hood repainted and it was still a crappy job. That is the GM Quality I experienced.

Last GM I will ever buy. So far my Caravan has kept me happy.


Bob from Bolton
said

Uhmmm here's a thought...

Could you or could you not start a brand new automotive company with 30 Billion dollars???

Just an idea?


pat
said

I am so sick and tired of people pulling the patriotic strings, "support Canada, buy a chev", "keep Canada strong,buy a big 3 vehicle". WAKE UP people, these are american companies and will run back to the states as soon as any Canadian money dries up. So, regardless of which vehicle you buy, even if it was built here, the profits will eventually go to the states or Japan.Canada does not have a Canadian vehicle, everyone who works in this industry works for a foriegn company. Where was the bail-out for farmers, loggers or fishermen. Let the big 3 die and run to the states. Let the states throw thier money at a dead horse.


robert dunning
said

bankruptcy for the car companies and their unions. what a pity?? the "loans" from Flattery are now a distant memory. Ontario finance minister-what would we expect.


M M B Ont
said

Instead of the Gov't handing GM bailout money or "loans" to keep them afloat, I think GM has to buckle down and solve their own financial problems. The gov't nor the taxpayer did not create their situation and the taxpayer should not be expected to bail companies out when they can't make it. They paid CEO's millions of dollars salary and bonuses, now those same CEO's should have the brains to resolve and restructure. They had a few years notice of their situation.
I don't know where these companies get off thinking the gov't or the people owe them. A poster mentioned Nortel is in bankruptcy. This might be the case but they have 45 million dollars set aside to pay their executive staff Bonuses !!!!!! If this is how the big companies operate, then they can find their way out of their financial situations. After all, we the poor taxpayer has to each and every day and especially after we lose our jobs. Furthermore, I wish our Gov't could stand up to these companies and say No to using taxpayer's monies for bailouts but then we would hear Iggy and Jacky-boy screamming Give-Give-Give or we will overthrow you! Dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Taxpayers are speaking !


Dave
said

I have tried all the Big 3's Cars over the last few Decades . If I had to buy an American Car again. I think Chrysler or Ford would be my Choice ( Not GM )
They GM's were the most Costly repairs over the years so let's save 2 out of the 3 Auto-makers - Let GM
Go now .


roy
said

The north american Auto Manfacturers are like a dying star the light is fading and fast.


roy
said

If the federal government offered me the cash to buy a new GM vehicle this moment I would refuse it because they are crap.


Don Courtice
said

Yup Jay, someone will fill the void...maybe a worker in Mexico or China. They won't be using the empty factories here. Don't kid yourself, once these jobs are gone they are truly gone. What do we actually produce anymore? High Tech and support call centers going to India. Cars being manufactured in China, Korea, and Mexico. Maybe we can all work at Timmies?


Darren from Bowmanville
said

Why is it when there is bad news for the domestic three that it is headline news ? Toyota , Honda and Mazda all went to the Japanese Government this week for billions in loans , but it hasn't even made the small print !


Les P
said

I had owned a couple of american cars in the 80's. These machines were junk on wheels. The mfg's seemed proud of the fact they could make crap and still sell it!
I then decided the Japanese had a superior product and was quickly proven correct.
I have recently purchased a Dodge Caravan and the quality of this vehicle surely rivals the imports. Though the american makes have taken a beating over the years, i firmly believe it's a case of bitter grapes.
Try one of these machines that Dodge has refined and honestly compare them dollar for dollar and i believe you will be relieved to see North America can still build a beautiful machine that we will enjoy for years to come.
I loved my Honda but i am reluctant to say it's a vastly better product.


FergusRob
said

Can we please get something cleared up here. The so called "imports" are made here in North America and employ thousands of people. Every comment that states that we are poor canadians for not buying or supporting GM should open their eyes a little wider. I wouldn't buy a GM vehicle if my life depended on it. Not because of quality or price or anything like that. It is because of the crap we have to hear spewing from the dinosaurs at the CAW and the erogance of GM brass thinking they are owed these handouts from taxpayers. No one bailed my company out when it closed its doors, why should they. Time to close down GM and the CAW while their at it.


brian, Cobourg
said

Stop supporting that overrated import crap and support local jobs.If your car is From Japan, would you put a Japanese flag on the back of it?You are supporting workers of that country.Korea won't let canada export cars there.


Dave Ontario East
said

It amazes me that all these Hi profile financial experts can't really see the real picture????? The car manufacturing sector worldwide is SATURATED!! There is for the consumers much much more choice of makes, There is something called MARKETSHARE and the big 3 have been losing this to Honda Toyota, even Kia and Nissan. Never had so many companies 15 yrs ago. At best the big 3 can never expect to have sales like before..bailout is throwing outr money but the big politicians and financial specialists are blind to this.The world has changed and Gm can expect 15% of market maybe less.They have to produce lower cost higher quality more dependable cars like Honda for example.All that bailout money wont bring them market share. WAKE UP FINANCIAL so call experts!!!!!


Lorne
said

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!
GM should file for bankruptcy and our government should not award any bailout monies to GM.
Quote - Lewenza CAW - "doesn't expect wage or benefit cuts will be necessary".
Give your head a shake!!!
Cuts will be required by workers and management if there is to be any hope of survival by GM.
Lewenza should be prepared to accept a 50% cut in salary as I'm sure he is paid quite well by the union.
The workers are the people suffering, but will have to accept cuts in wages and benefits in order to have a remote chance of job retention.
Vehicle prices by all manufacturers are way too high - unless they drop prices substantially, people will not buy, resulting in further losses to the industry.
The industry better wake up to this fact, before it is too late.
Canadians have been continually gouged by the auto manufacturers in their greed for huge profits.
Government better be careful on the extent of the bailout to this industry or else it will feel the effects of the public taxpayer (voter).


Linda in Vancouver
said

The simple answer to the question many have asked about why Canada doens't build it's own cars is that our market is simply to small to justify the investment.Even if we all bought this new "Canadian Car",the cpompany would still need export markets to keep going.
Of course we have the talent and the expertise to do it.But,like the "Avro Arrow",if we can't sell them in the international markets there is no way they can be made at a price we can afford to pay.The cost per unit goes down as the number of units sold goes up.
And yes,before everyone jumps all over me,I do realize the Arvo Arrow faced other challenges as well.But cost was a big factor.Just like the US built stealth bomber,building fewer of them raised the cost of each of the ones they did build.
To support industries of this magnitude,we need bigger markets than exist in Canada alone.


Xbar and R Chart
said

Very interesting Lance. That is information that everyone should know about, instead of knocking the quality of our vehicles.

Volkswagen is a very well known German brand, however they have a lot of major quality issue's.

Toyota still has great quality, however their quality has slipped over the years and North American brands have made leaps and bounds over the last decade.

I'll never knock a North American brand, knowing that as a Quality Engineer and analyst, seeing how far they have come in delivering a very good quality vehicle.

The Germans vehicles are good, but people put them on a level higher then North American, paying more for their vehicles, when all along, they are getting the same quality for a North American vehicle.

The fable is alive and well that North American vehicles are no better then a 1980 Russian Lada, but that is what happens when a society prefers to believe in fairy tales then in reality.


Pappy
said

If GM goes under, I don't think people sould worry if their warranties are valid. They should worry if they can put food on the table!


Adrianna
said

Keeping GM afloat would only be viable if:
1. Their vehicles are proven sellers, and they aren't. GM dealerships have brand new inventory from 2 yrs ago they cannot sell.
2. They sell off their existing inventory at rock bottom prices, and hope to recoup some costs, while shutting down the existing model plants.
3. They revise their models to be more economical, better built, backed by better warranty, and even then, it will take them years to break into an already import flooded market.
4. GM workers take a paycut, and unions are forced out. These employees are overpaid (most of them don't even put in a full 8 hrs, yet are paid for it), they get more paid holidays than the average worker, for doing far less.
5. They have lots billions of dollars in less than 5 yrs, and have consistently made no changes to alter that. Giving more money to a losing company, with not much hope in turn-around, is a waste of tax-payers money.

GM needs to close it's doors, and accept it's loss, as to support them further would just be our loss in the longrun. Their employees are ridiculously overpaid (most work is done via robot), and most days they have no work to do. I don't wish I could say the same, because for what they get paid, two people could be employed. It's a ridiculous system that needs to go back to it's time bottle and stay there.



AJB
said

To the CAW
You've been greedy
Time to get a feel of what it likes to not make overinflated wages.

Time to thank the CAW for where they have taken you.

I pass along a quote from your distinguished president, Ken Lawenza, taken fron the CAW website

"Together we have built, and will continue to build, one of the strongest and most influential unions in the world.
In Solidarity,
Ken Lewenza
President, CAW-Canada

Way to go Ken. You sure called that one.
Is your EI insurance paid up?
You get what you deserve.




annie, ontario
said

I would hope so,

With all the government (US) regulations on the auto industry, is it any wonder free enterprise is almost non existant.

The government gets exactly what it deserves,


Adam Student In Calgary
said

I am a business student finishing up my degree here, and when I'm done I am out of North America, for more reasons than just this foolishness. The Carmakers have been in trouble since long before the economy "collapsed". When a company fails to prepare for the future by investing in bigger, less gas efficient cars when the times call for smaller, more fuel efficient ones, that company failed. They are paying the price for their lack of vision. Keeping them afloat hinders progression at this point more than helps. Other Automakers will fill any Auto void that exists in the future, that's business. These companies should get their money from the taxpayers, but from sales, not bailouts. We choose to let them die when we bought other products. We shouldn't pay for their ignorance.


GM is . . . DEAD. Give it up and get over it.
said

"However, there can be no assurance that these actions, such as further reductions in productive capacity, hourly and salaried headcount, employee compensation and benefits or capital expenditure and engineering spending would be sufficient to prevent the need for us to potentially seek relief through a filing under the bankruptcy laws in the US and other jurisdictions."


Get Realistic use Common Sense
said

The auto sector should cap the amount of cars, trucks, etc, they build even if they have to seasonal the workforce cut the labour cost (union) there's no use to have them make a endless supply of new cars,etc to just sit in dealerships lots for years.


Drew in NS
said

GM is going bankrupt, 1200 Canadian Chrysler jobs eliminated. Thousand unemployed every day.

And the opposition (Bloc, NDP, Liberals) continue to play political games by refusing to let the stimulas money begin to flow.

Jack Layton the Auto Sector are your people. What are the NDP and CAW's end game. Do you think destroying the Big 3 then blaming the Government will succeed.

Think Again


Inkmont
said

Let them fall. Do not give them any money. If the time has come when certain companies are no longer viable, it is better to put them out of their misery. Otherwise, if taxpayer money goes to them, we all go down with them.


AJ
said

The handwriting has been on the wall for a very long time. Chrysler was bailed out once before and here they are again at the table begging for more. It is time to stop throwing good money after bad. It is time to put the "big three" out of their misery. Btw, I drive a GM product, but my guess is that even if everyone in North America drove one of the "big three" products, the companies and the auto unions would still be whining. End this now. PLEASE!!!


Peter MacKay
said

I drive about 60,000 km per year and I have my vehicles maintained at the recommended intervals by the dealer. I've bought two new GM vehicles since 2000 and both have been very unreliable. The dealer service was almost criminal and the gas mileage was poor.

I now drive a 2008 Ford Escape and it has been very reliable. No problems of any kind after 90,000 km and I get decent gas mileage. The Ford dealer service has been pretty good too.

My wife’s 2000 Toyota Camry has 270,000 problem-free kms and it still works great. The Toyota dealer treats her like a new car owner, even though her car is nine years old.

From my perspective GM definitely has a quality and service problem. I’d be happy to buy their products but I don’t like being stranded roadside or wasting money on gas and repairs. GM will have to make some serious changes to regain my business.



James
said

Dump the CEO's and big pensions and dump the union. They have proven they have priced themselves out of work.
PS - Canada isn't just about the Auto Sector. There are plenty others in this country that are sucking it up and restructuring to survive. The unions have killed life in Ontario so quit making the rest of Canada pay for it.


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