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Date: Fri. Feb. 27 2009 10:56 PM ET

Moscow hit back at Defence Minister Peter MacKay on Friday, calling the minister's comments about the flight of two Russian bombers a "farce," the Russian news agency Ria Novosti reported Friday.

The rhetorical sparring comes after two long-range Russian bombers flew near Canadian airspace in the arctic less than 24 hours before President Barack Obama visited Ottawa on Feb. 19 - an occurrence which MacKay called a "strong coincidence."

Two Canadian CF-18 fighters intercepted the Russian aircraft and MacKay warned Russia on Friday to "back off" from flying near the Canadian border.

The incident has ignited a fierce debate about territorial sovereignty as European nations, Canada and the U.S. squabble about claims in the arctic.

But Russia sent a clear response to MacKay's warnings.

"The Canadian defense minister's statements concerning the flights of our long-haul aircraft are totally unclear," a Russian military source said Friday, adding that the flight was routine.

"The countries adjacent to the flight path had been notified and the planes did not violate the airspace of other countries. In this light the statements by the Canadian Defense Ministry provoke astonishment and can only be called a farce," the source told Ria Novosti.

At a press conference Friday, Defence Minister Peter MacKay said the incident happened on Feb. 18.

"At no time did Russian airplanes enter Canadian airspace but within 24 hours of the president's visit here to Canada last week we did scramble two CF-18 fighter planes from Norad (North American Aerospace Defense Command) and Canada command," MacKay said.

The jets took off from Cold Lake, Alta., to intercept the aircraft, which has been reported as either a Tupolev Tu-95 bomber or its newer sister, the Tu-160.

"They met a Russian aircraft that was approaching Canadian airspace and, as they have done on previous occasions, they sent very clear signals that are understood that that aircraft was to turn around, turn tail, and head back to its own airspace -- which it did," MacKay said.

CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said the plane was intercepted about 190 km northeast of Tuktoyaktuk, N.W.T.

"Obviously what they were doing was testing Canadian security knowing full well that all of our security attention would be focused in Ottawa around the president's visit," Fife said.

MacKay said similar incidents have happened in the past. However, he said the frequency of the incidents is increasing.

"For that reason, it puts the emphasis back on the importance of Norad, the importance of our being diligent in defending our airspace, exercising that sovereignty," he said.

"The most obvious way to do that is by using the equipment at our availability, using the existing systems that are there at Norad for this very purpose."

MacKay was in Ottawa Friday meeting with Gen. Walter Natynczyk, Canada's chief of defence staff, and Gen. Gene Renuart, the commander of Norad and USNORTHCOM, to discuss Canada-U.S. military relations.

Renaurt said it was vital that Canada and the U.S. maintain "the solid, integrated air defence posture that we have."

Political fallout widens

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Russian intrusions are a "real concern" to his government.

"We will continue to respond, we will defend our airspace," Harper told reporters in Saskatoon.

A Russian air force spokesman said Friday that the flight was planned in advance and was part of routine patrols.

Canadian navy Lt. Desmond James, a spokesman at Norad headquarters in Colorado Springs, Colo., told The Canadian Press that the Russians include long-range flights as part of their training.

"On our part, we go up to make sure they know that while they are doing their training, we do know that they're there and we are watching, prepared to respond should they decide that they're going to alter their course in a threatening manner," James said.

"We have to let the Russians -- any aircraft -- know that we are in a position to respond."

Norad spokesperson Michael Kucharek said it is not atypical to see Russian aircraft engaging in training exercises so close to Canadian airspace.

"This has happened quite often, this is a pattern that we generally see through Russian exercises of this type," he told CTV Newsnet on Friday afternoon.

He estimated that Norad had seen Russian fighters undertaking similar training exercises at least 20 times "over the course of the last couple of years."

During the Cold War, Russian aircraft frequently entered into North American airspace and were often escorted back to international air space by Canadian and American jets.

Brewing international dispute

After the Soviet Union collapsed, the flights were suspended but have resumed in recent years as Russia tries to push its claim on the Arctic.

In total, five countries claim parts of region -- Russia, Canada, Norway, Denmark, and the United States.

Canada has claimed the Northwest Passage.

"The Russians have been very strict about following international rules but they're going right up to the limits," Rob Huebert, with the University of Calgary's Centre for Military and Strategic Studies, told CTV Newsnet Friday.

"If in fact we see the Americans pushing us on the Northwest Passage and ultimately somehow it becomes accepted that it's an international strait I would suspect you'd be seeing Russian bombers coming through the Northwest Passage."

Last summer, then-foreign affairs minister David Emerson said recent actions of Russia in the Far North were of "great concern" to the government.

He said Canadian officials had "seen much increased activity in terms of Russian overflights of Canadian airspace."

Emerson also said the Americans were seeing the same thing around Alaska.

With files from The Canadian Press


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Alanna, from Saskatchewan
said

This is another prime example of why I am proud to be a Canadian. Way to go Canadian airforce. I do agree with the report that the timing of this intrusion is a little funny, I don't suppose we will ever find out what was going on though.


Barry in Ottawa
said

Yes I am sure glad our CF-18's were there guarding against Russian Invasion of the Arctic, rather then ... Oh I dont know.. Providing air cover for Canadian Soldiers in Afghanistan !!!


Greg - Signs and Wonders
said

So ? It never entered N/A airspace.
Let it go !


Bryce Jeffcoat
said

Barry, look at the big picture. Russia CANNOT be trusted. Anyone who thinks otherwise is severely misguided.


Mike
said

Thank you to our Canadian friends for everything you do in our mutual defense, we do appreciate it.

Unfortunately, we will all suffer from the fact that the US now is lead by the weakest, most inexperienced leader ever in world history. Incidents like this military incursion will become more frequent and severe.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

Why not just let them fly in and take over -- 250 years from now I am sure they will be very happy to defer to our desire not to be offended by re-enacting the battle of the Canadian Arctic......


Kevin
said

Did not enter North American airspace.... But I still bet Obama was nervous when he found out.


Mike G
said

Barry:
As much as it would be nice to trust the Russians you have to remember they have their own agenda. They want to expand there countries territorial claims.
We have to set up better defense in the arctic and focus on our sovereignty there.North America should work together on securing the arctic.


Brad
said

Barry,
Do you know how many fighter aircraft are over Afghanistan at any one time? Believe me, there is more then enough air cover over there....


Dan
said

All of Mr. Putin's and Russia's actions in the last several months seem to be pointing to their desire to return to the Cold War...atleast we can hope another cold war is what they want rather than the worse possible alternative. And why shouldn't Putin and his ilk want Cold War II? Things have not been so terrific in Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union. The former KGB men want their old power back and the power of the men who used to hold their current positions.

This should be a warning to those of us in North America as well. As Thomas Jefferson said: "A government big enough to supply you with everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...."


Bruce
said

The Russians have a policy of "testing" other nations defenses to see what our response is. If we become complaicent of our sovereignty and let them roam around unchallenged, then they will begin to believe they can do what ever they want in the North and will alter their foreign policy to push to take it over. If we don't intercept their bombers before they come into our airspace, the next step will be that they will start sending in ships, then maybe setup up their own perminent settlement in our North. Of course people will complain about it, but they will simply come back with "well you were never there, so it was unclaimed land and we took it". It's really that simple. If we want to keep Canadian soil Canadian, we need to be able to show that we are using it, we are living there, and we will defend it. Too bad the general Canadian population doesn't give 2 ****s about the North or even think's about the implications of having a Russian settlement aka military base just north of Yellowknife.

Just sit down and think about it people, its not that hard. Honeslty, look at what Russia did in Georgia last year, or did you forget about that already.


Gerald from Belleville
said

To all those who will gripe about this being a waste of resources...

Our North holds VAST economic, mineral, and energy potential. In the coming years, the North will become crucial to our economic development and sustainability.

Precedence and even international law gives us exclusive rights to much of this...the only right granted to other nations is the right of passage, not economic exploitation of these resources.

But we only get to keep these resources if we take a stand NOW. Scandinavian countries along with Russia have a tremendous interest in these resources, and while they won't risk overt military action at this time, they will try to gradually erode our sovereignty: a few bombers here, a few weather stations here and there, a flag on this island, an "expedition", ...and don't you know it, by virtue of the fact that we've ignored it, they will now have a legit claim to those territories.

We need to show them that when push comes to shove, we are willing to shove. Doesn't matter that our shoving can't push them over: our pushing guarantees our continued legitimate claim over those territories. Taking over those territories by other countries then becomes an act of war, to be responded to by our allies. But if we don't contest it, then no one will come to our help after the fact.

Protect our North. It is resource rich and has much to give us...is it's still ours. And to those eco- sensitives out there...who would you rather be in charge of the North? Canada, or Russia?


Where was USAF on Sept. 11, 2001?
said

Standing down as part of the false flag operation?

Russian aircraft was not in Canadian airspace, so there was no "Red Alert! Red Alert!"

This is more ridiculous noise to raise the anxiety level for the US deadhead masses--not to mention certain Canadian masses.




Chris Jenkins
said

Chris, Ottawa.
Russian long range TU-95 bombers frequently fly along the arctic border airspace...to intentionally convey military posture and to seek a reaction from Canadian Forces (a method of ascertaining reaction capabilities). Similar flights have occurred that come over the pole and down the East Coast to Cuba...I have no doubt those flights will begin again as well.
Blame our (the west's) insatiable thirst for oil as Russia rebuilds it's economy based on the abundant oil of Northern Russia and soon; the Arctic.


New World
said

Bryce, why can't Russia be trusted?

Can Germany be trusted? Can the USA be trusted? Tell me exactly how you come to the conclusion as to who can be trusted and who cannot? Is it a facial expression? Is it past actions? Is it nationality? Is it what they buy off you? Is it Political Ideology? Is it language? Or do you judge who you can trust and who you can't by watching James Bond movies or anything that comes American run media?

Think before commenting and calling others misguided… you are the misguided one. How many American Military Aircraft fly over Canadian Airspace with no response from our military? Are they to be trusted?


Sean
said

Canadian Air Force, Please!

You have a total of 80 CF-18. A dumb'd down version of the F-18A Super Hornet. WE have more than that at one base in Alaska protecting Canada from the Big Bad Bullys in Russia. So that your Governement and most of your citizens (granted, not all) can sit back and blame America for all of the worlds ills. The Russian were sure as H&LL testing our new "Comrade in Chief". They see him as weak, so get used to this type of news. It will become regular fodder over the next 4 years.


Steve in Ottawa
said

Intercepted? VERY doubtful, since it is approximately 2,300 km (one way!)from Cold Lake to the edge of North American air space.

The CF-18 simply could not fly that distance, intercept and escort the Russian bomber for a few minutes, and then fly back ANOTHER 2,300 km.

Rather, the CF-18 was launched, and in the air somewhere over northern Canada should an incursion occur.

PS: Our air force no longer has an airborne tanker. In-flight refuelling is virtually non-existent in our armed forces.


Steve in Montreal
said

The Russians do the fly overs just to spark a reaction. That's all. It's good that our armed forces reacted. It's excellent scramble practice.


brad Panassow
said

There is one purpose and ONLY one purpose for this. The same as it has always been---to test the response of the military so Russia can use the data form the response for a future invasion. Let them enter your airspace and shoot them out of the sky. This is a huge national security issue for Canada as well as the US. The communist USSR is alive and well in Putin. It is insulting that Russia insists on testing us. Note to Sarah Palin: don't let this happen in Alaska. Shoot to kill.


Dunny from Manotick
said

This just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling for the good old days of the cold war. Where is Ronald Regan when we need him. Obama will try and be nice to Putin but Putin will not play that game. He'll simply lead Obama by the nose. The Russians are excellent chess players and are either doing this to divert attention or it is simply a step in a grand plan.


JKF
said

Canada's PM needs to call the Russian ambasador and file a protest about the absolute stupidity of this type of activity by the retrograde Russian government elements that advise, plan, and execute such operations.

Such flights are very damaging to the environment, they can add thousands of tons of carbon to the air, in an ecologically frail Arctic, over a period of a year; they endanger people's lives, because accidents can occurr; are a total waste of money, which would be better spent by the Russian government in improving the livelyhoods of millions of Russian citizens living in very poor conditions; they are a sign of aggression by the Russian leadership against Canadians; they portray the Russian goverment badly, because such actions are a throwback to the old communist criminal dictatorship days that murdered and tortured millions of innocent Russian citizens, for which no one has been held accountable for; and worse of all will end up triggering another arms race, which the world does not need, given that 100ths of millions of people on the planet are living in utter misery, and the money spent in an arms race could be far better spent helping the poor of the world.


The perception of the Russian goverment's will grow negatively by the day, when it authorizes, people whose minds have been dulled by years of alcohol abuse, to plan and execute such regressive operations which are destabilizing in nature and counter to peace.

Mr. Putin, get rid of the intoxicated idiots, that have advised you to authorize such operations! Use the money you save in helping people in your own country or in places like Africa.


The CF-18s must have had STUNT pilots.
said

This non-event was a STUNT to condition people for acceptance of future US wars of aggression.




Mel from Calgary
said

Horrors! The Soviets were going to attack Canada just before Obama's visit!!!

Too bad our government wants to continue fighting the cold war.

Now that Russia is a new democracy, a northern country and a world power also on our border we should work toward a strong relationship to help counter our over-reliance on the U.S.

Canada and Russia have a lot to offer each other.


Budget Cuts In The Name of Political Expediency
said

Good thing we've got at least one or two fighter aircraft able to get into the air at a moment's notice. Perhaps the federal government should start negotiating with the US to lease some of their obsolete equipment now before the last of our own can no longer get off the runway!


charles-sherbrooke
said

Hey, ''New World'' American planes fly over our airspace because a-we are members of NORAD, something we co-founded, b- we are founding and current members of NAT0 and c-we are friendly neighbors with common borders in the south and north west of our country. Are you also alarmed that The British routinely do tank training in Manitoba nad Alberta. Wake up. Russia, in all of its history has been a problem for Europe, North America or in the latter case of the USSR, the entire world. Putin is a bad as Chavez when it comes to changing the rules to stay in power. Sounds like facism to me.


Mark Jeffcoat (Bryce's dad)
said

Additionally Barry, there are 2 Squadrons of CF-18's in Afghanistan right now doing just that. Using your logic, every US combat aircraft should be in Iraq and Afghanistan leaving US airspace totally unprotected. It doesn't work that way Barry. Your boys and ours have adequate and able air cover over there right now.


annie ontario
said

It would seem to be a poliical move Russia's part. They will claim rights to the arctic if they can prove they have been using it unhindered. It's a sovernty issue and I'm pleased Canada is protecting it's territory.


Ted from NY
said

Suspect timing indeed. We always owe much gratitude to our great neighbors to the north. Canadians are great people and deserve our full support. Our alliance is even more important as the Russians become more and more untrustworthy. I only pray our new U.S. leadership will be strong enough to keep them at bay...


David
said

Kudos to our Canadian friends! Our continued partnership is so valuable and vital to our shared interests.


totaljustice
said

I remember reading a few years ago that Canada has 70% of the world's supply of drinking water. As the population on Earth balloons, water is quickly becoming scarce as the demand for water is rapidly outpacing supply. It's not too hard to do the math and realise that future tests on our sovreignty may have a lot to do with protecting our most valuable natural resource. Canada needs to wake up to this concern and give our military the tools they need to protect us. I am happy to see the quick response by our Air Force in intercepting the Russian Aircraft and hope the Government does more to maintain our Northern Sovreignty.


M. Cameron
said

It's too bad our government (whether it's Conservative or Liberal) will never put as much money into our military as they should. We have an obligation to protect our sovereignty and we can't do it with a vastly underfunded military. Patchworked equipment is not going to cut it when a real emergency happens.


Al B Chicago, IL
said

First I would like to thank our neighbors to the north. As a US Army veteran of the Cold War, I have many fond memories of watching for the Russian Bear in Europe. We had better get our head out of the sand. Putin is a Cold Warrior and he is intent on being the next Stalin. This flight was a probe to test the North American response pure and simple. As stated previuously Northern Canada and Alaska hold a great deal of natural resources which are untapped. We need to protect this area.


Bill on a Canadian Navy Ship
said

Did everyone just think that the great Russian Bear was going to say Das Vhedahnya and go away? The CCCP crumbled and had a pseudo diplomatic government for a while. But with the economy the way it is, they are falling on even harder times....probably moreso than the rest of us. So, what is the key ingredient to spurring an economy right back on track???? WAR!!! The Cold War WILL generate a boosted economy in CAN, the US and Russia. Wait for it!


Harper and MacKay desperate to look useful.
said

A NORAD official said that Russian jets fly over that airspace quite often,and that it's not a big deal at all.
MacKay made it sound as if we just prevented a all out war or an attempted assassination on the president!
The interviewer tried every which way to make it seem a big deal,but the official would not budge. He just kept saying that it wasn't all that important or news worthy! It was actually funny to listen to the reporter try to make a big thing out of this,but the guy wasn't biting.
The Harper Government will try anything to distract the people from our real problems.


Rhonda
said

oh by the way.. we love the canadians from down here in the USA.. you guys are great neighbors.. no complaints from me.. we are happy to help in any way we can presently and in the future.. you guys are all right.


Breakstuff
said

The Canadian Air Force used the only two aircraft in its entire arsenal to fend off this alleged attack, leaving the rest of its country susceptible to attack. The planes were armed with whipped cream pie launchers and water balloon cannons. The Canadian Coast Guard also sent its only ship out there, a rubber life raft armed with a repeating BB gun. I'm so glad the Canadian military exercised its full might to protect our great messiah. God forbid something should happen to someone whose first real job is chief executive of a major world player. God help us all.


Jeff
said

Thanks to our northern neighbors. It is nice to still have good friends to the north. I hope the years to come prove beneficial and profitable for us all.

We in the States understand that after 8 years of failed, bullying, foreign policy led by a deserter and a proponent of torture that we have a long way to go to win back the trust and leadership roll we once held. Now if we can just persevere past the crushing debt and failed policies of the past 8 years of US leadership we will be well on our way.

Hu Rah and thanks to the military for their service.





Armand
said

Russia a new democracy? A potential ally? Please. Challenging our airspace and claiming the arctic, along with recent events in Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine lead you to this conclusion?


Alex in Trenton
said

For Steve in Ottawa

No AR tankers in Canada???

Look up 435 Squadron in Winnipeg.


Jack
said

Back Off? Turned tail? You've got to be kidding. Leave it to the brazen false bravado of a McKay and the Harper government, to take a common NORAD event, as common as traffic on the Gardner Expressway. Some of these lumbering Russian jets announce their schedule ahead of time...then for McKay to link this "intercept" to the Obama visit. All this is more irresponsible electioneering and yet the feckless media jumps all over it. NORAD people in the know must shaking their heads at the Harper's Conservatives ignoble efforts to politicize just about anything or NORAD people must be rolling in the aisles with laughter, because the outdated aged aircraft - both Canadian and Russian - was like two 90 year old grandmothers bumping wheel chairs in a parking lot.


Dave - Fredericton
said

This activity is common place and is practiced by both North American, Russia and thier respective allies. This is how defenses are tested and noted. The only reason this made the news is Barry came for a visit. They have sent many many more in the past.


Phil from PEI
said

Which is it? never entered our airspace or had to be told to go back to their own airspace. This is such a non-event. It clearly happens all the time so the timing is not an issue. Yes we need to be vigilant of our border but to make this seem more sinister then it was is fear-mongering and our Government should know better.


Gee
said

Who cares. I'm more concerned with illegal American activity in our skies.


Rick
said

Umm the US does the exact same thing. They would be remiss if they didn't. I'm also quite sure our F18's can refuel in Inuvik or stage from there. We're not quite the clumbsey unprotected idiots you think we are.


Ken in NWT
said

190 km northeast of Tuk is well within Canadian Airspace.

The Tu-95 had plenty of time to launch it's cruise missiles to take out a couple of subs in Seattle and the Calgary Saddledome if it had targeted them.


Jim in the West
said

Perhaps its time that Ottawa updated the Canadian Air Force with some F22s. If we are going to defend the second largest country in the world with one of the smaller air fleets, perhaps its time we spent some money on making sure we did it with the very best war planes available.


Alex (Toronto)
said

One has to wonder how Russia can possibly benefit by displaying an aggressive posture. This one incident reminds Canadians that Russians do not consider us to be trusted neighbors. It gives political support to defense hawks and weakens the arguments of those in favor of reducing defense spending in Canada. Russia has plenty of real problems in the world; it's stupid for them to be wasting resources and goodwill by antagonizing Canada. The Russians have got to know that aerial conflict depends on having modern aircraft, and that it simply does not have the capability to outspend the United States and its NATO allies. Threatening the neighbors is not cost-effective and it reduces the level of respect a country has, which reduces the country's overall level of influence and ability to accomplish its international objectives.

Canada has to retain capability to respond to airspace threats and also has to maintain and improve defense cooperation with the United States.


KWY
said

If you only knew how many times a year that this happens. Trust the media to make a big deal out of this and use Obamas name to grab headlines so far after his visit.


Brian, New York, NY
said

You people who say, "oh well, they didn't actually enter Canadian airspace, so who cares" just don't get it. The mission of that bomber was to just get close enough to Canadian airspace that it would trigger a response so they could test the Canadian defenses. This was an act of aggression.


Bill
said

Per Ardua Ad Astra-RCAF

Way to go.
As in nature bears don't like hornets.
Fine job.


Lisa
said

Well if the Canadian and US governments are so worried about this I don't know why Canada isn’t getting our country ready and able to deal with any potential wars or invasions in the North? What are we going to fight with? I'm thankful for the friendship and help from the US but I'd feel much better if we could try to look after our selves. As I remember hearing growing up we used to have a pretty good army.....we NEED to fix this and fast!

And then there's the recession! Well so much for that Idea!



Tom, Kettle Falls
said

Canada has fighters?


Dirk Diggler
said

We all appreciate everyones 'knowledge' of the Canadian Forces and military in general, but PLEASE get your facts straight before spouting off:
Sean: The proper call out for the Super Hornet is F-18E/F.
Steve: Canada has air-to-air re-fueling capabilities from (2)CC-150 Polaris and (5)CC-130 Hercules.
Mark Jeffcoat: Canada does NOT have any CF-18 in Afghanistan...none!


Buba
said

What a load of malarkey.
US jets from Alaska would have had the Russians covered long before the Canucks got there and the Bear is so old and obsolete that Obama was out of the country before it would have reached Ottawa anyway.
More smoke and mirrors from a government with nothing to brag about.


Abdula from Ottawa
said

On this point I am with the right wing types. Not because we have resources to protect in the Artic, or because the Russians are closet commies not to be trust or any other reason than ITS OUR COUNTRY, SO BUG OFF AND GO HOME !

That goes out to all those wandering American ships up there too.

Canada is the TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE. That means we own the North.


russ
said

Much ado about nothing. Canada trying to look good in the eyes of their American neighbors. However, the plane was never a threat to Obama and was probably never told of the incident.


Kris k.
said

Yeah, you guys are great. Very scary.

Thanks for being so tough.

As someone already noted, the U.S. has more firepower protecting your silly butts in one Alaskan Airbase than you have in your entire "air force."

The United States chose foolishly in the last election, and we're stuck with the results. So are you. Russia will be knocking on your door for at least the next four years. A lot of people will.

For the first time ever, Canada might actually have to put on her big boy pants and do something meaningful.


rich
said

What are we worried about? The Tu 95 is nearly 60 years old. They could have fended it off with a flock of vicious sparrows. No need to worry about nukes on board, Syria and Iran bought em all with the bulk discount.


Roland in Chicago
said

I don't understand. We were told that when prophet Obama was elected all countires would love America and cease all hostile actions.


Doug BC
said

Comments like the ones by "Sean" are a huge part of the reason that getting anything for our military is a struggle.
No matter how much we try to take a role in NORAD,NATO,or any other military operation,some bonehead has to beak off about how "we,the USA" are in charge here."We,the "USA" are here to take control of this situation."We.the USA" are the biggest and the best,so please get out of the way.
There was a day a couple of decades ago when a commander of a USA navy ship actually stood on a dock in Vancouver after a demonstration by Greenpeace and told reporters "we" could blow your whole coutry off the map".
No,I don't trust the Russians.And frankly,I don't trust the Chinese either.But it's blowhards and jingoist morons in the USA make me very concerned about whether or not the USA can be trusted either.
Well Sean,my American friend,if your country is not interested in friends and allies,please,just have President Obama relay that message to our Prime Minister so we can stop trying to be the nice neighbour in the north and look elsewhere for friends and allies somewhere else.
And,for the record,I am quite pro America,and am busy trying to elect governments that realize that we should do more in NATO,NORAD,and emergencies around the world.Fools like you make our work a lot harder,and create anti USA sentiment.
You may be American,but you are also one of the reasons America has such an ugly image in the world.If the USA wants to keep poking Canada in the eye,don't be surprised if the day comes when anti Americanism becomes the majority view in Canada,rather than the minority it is now.


Mark
said

Alanna, from Mark in the US, you Canadians rock the house baby. Keep up the vigilance.


Pip
said

I am sure, as are several posters, that events such as this happen with some frequency, and that Canadian response would be similar every time. Patrols like this by Tupolev "Bears" were common during the Cold War, slackened almost to nothing, but are becoming more and more common over the last couple of years.

To those who say "ignore them", I say that the next step would be sea-borne incursions, with possible landings, just as the Danish Navy did a couple of years ago. And THAT would set them up for territorial claims.

Am I to assume that those posters objecting to the actions of our defence team do not believe in "our True North strong and free", and that they do not "stand on guard for thee", our great nation of Canada?





Joel Bain
said

It does not surprise me at all that this is a policy that the Russian government would pursue (testing other's states resistance and sovereignty) as it is totally within the Russian mindset of relations. This is not a racist sentiment, but if you ask any of my many Russian friends, they would echo that it is normal in Russian society to do so, particularly in interpersonal relationships during the Communist era. No surprise here. Canada needs to assert its rightful sovereignty over the Arctic if it wants to retain this territory and prevent the Russians from expanding into Canadian territory


RT
said

They sent 2 F-18s eh. Lets see, that would be the entire fleet then!


KC
said

I'm again embarrassed by this gov'ts reaction. Even the Americans are stating that these encounters are nothing but training excercises and VERY routine. Don't act all macho with the dumber Canadians - if you want to illicit their vote then do so but not at the cost of embarrassing the rest of Canada. Otherwise, if you are truly frightened, calm down - if they wanted to invade they'd just shoot off some nukes!


JED
said

Typical Russian grandstanding to get attention - we were absolutely right to use F-18's to send them packing - trusting the Russians is foolish. They believe the own the arctic and Putin is a cloaked Communist. We should have never given them a dime in the 90s after the collapse of the USSR.


Cornelia
said

Please remove this non-event from your list of major headlines for the day. Thank you.


Walter in Ajax
said

Don't be fooled. The Soviet Union may be long gone but it is alive and well in the guise of modern day Russia. East Europeans know all too well that a wolf is a wolf no matter how it is dressed.


DJ
said

Steve for your information the Canadian Forces has at least 5 tankers in service to satisfy the needs of the F-18's. Two of them are refitted A310 (Polaris CC150) that is also used for moving troops and such around. They also have 3-4 CC130's fitted for refilling lines. Don't criticize something that you obviously know very little to nothing about. We should all be very thankful for the work these men and woman do for us every day.

Oh and as for flying the 2300 km I'm sure that NORAD saw the Russian Bears take off and had the CF-18's in the air with tanker support should they start to get close to our airspace. Don't think they waited until the "Bears" were a couple hundred km away to get them in the air and get them to the Arctic Circle. Because of 9-11 there are always armed CF-18’s in the air.

I'm also sure that the USAF had planes in the air as well.

As for the comment form our brother to the south about these being "dumbed" down Super F-18's. Sorry that our government does not have the bottomless money pit that your government seems to have. All our planes are F-18 A's and B's that yes came out in the early 80's and 90's. They are all still in great flying condition and will likely be replaced in the next decade or so with F-35 JSF. That said they still fly and are still capable of defending our country.



Matt in Victoria
said

Please ease up on the fear mongering. The world is enjoying a newfound America. Don't dash their hopes for a 'new way' by falling back into the old narrow-minded thinking.
"everyone is not looking to take your toys away"


JEP
said

Little does anyone know that our F18's have NOTHING to shoot down any planes with! What are the pilots going to do, ram them?


Tim from Calgary
said

For those of you who don't seem to understand, the US Air Force also intercepts Russian planes flying close to Alaska. The Russians do this to test American and Canadian response time. Those of you who claim that this is nothing but the Harper government posturing, you obviously don't know what you are talking about. Complacency is exactly what the Russians are testing.


Military
said

This happens so often, it isn't even news.


M. Cameron
said

Gee: Did you fail to notice that his is a Canadian news website? That means the news on this website is Canaidan-centric.


RobM
said

Canadian CF-188 fighters have been upgraded to C-Block standards. That means GPS navigation and weapons support, integration of the Sniper-XR targetting pod, and enhanced radar capabilities including multiple target track with Aim9/120 support.

These fighters are getting old, but are still very capable aircraft.

Congrats to the AF for a successful intercept.


RVH
said

Are we running out news? A plane 15,000 km is a real threat? Come on!


Chad in slave lake, alb
said

This story makes me proud. However it also makes me aware of military capabilities and our current goverment has beefed up our forces, their is still alot that needed to be done. Give our men/women the tools, we have the heart.

Also to have a strong voice on the world you must have have a strong military.

P.S. How does Canada come out of a recession - get Qub. to build you planes, NFL to build you boat, and the people that were building truck in ONT. to build tanks. Instead of giving other country millions for things we can do ourselves. All a sudden you steel workers working, Parts people moving parts, and your people have money...


MaineRussian
said

I love the fact that everyone is talking about the big bad Putin. Has anyone taken enough time to drag themselves away from watching sitcoms on TV to perhaps know Russia had an election? Yes, Putin still holds a great deal of power but the name you want is Medvedev.

Bucks
said

Steve in Ottawa,

You would be wrong. The canadian forces do have air to air refueling capabilities in the CC-130 hercules the trusted work horse of the air force since 1960.


Al
said

Most of the comments posted here are obviously juniors who know nothing of the Cold War. The Russians/Soviets have been doing this for years and I was one of those people who tracked them along our coastline in the North and right down to Cuba. They have always tested our defenses both American and Canadian especially in the Arctic and will continue to do so in the future. Its always good exercise to intercept them just to let them know we are still vigilant.


Average Guy
said

Unfortunately, the Americans don’t recognise Canada’s claim to the north either. They send ships through the artic without our permission. At least the Russians didn’t enter our territory. I wish I could say the same for the Americans.


Delta One Niner
said

Canadian Air Force, Please!

You have a total of 80 CF-18. A dumb'd down version of the F-18A Super Hornet. WE have more than that at one base in Alaska protecting Canada from the Big Bad Bullys in Russia.>>>

There are no Hornets based in Alaska. The Super Hornet (F/A-18E)is newer and larger than the original F/A-18A Hornet. 80 fighter aircraft on one base??? I never saw nowhere that number of fighters either at Elmendorf or Eilson.




Par, from MTL
said

I hope the Air Force will consider interceptor aircraft for the future. Although there hasn't been a necessity for now, I believe that our fleet is quite numbered and aged.


merna
said

Canada has incredible resources throughtout the north, these belong to us !a it's about time we protect them. regardless, of who thinks they can plant a flag on our soil, or within our waters.


Sovereignty Soldier
said

I guess the NWO encircling Russia with nukes is getting some reaction. I really do not care who does it, but somone needs to stand firmly against the NWO and force their hand. Sure glad they are not going along. No world government without Cuba, Russia, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea. Did I miss any of the sovereign nations? The nations that reject the central banking system and the IMF bank, are the ones demonized in the media. No love for the bankers, the political elites, or the UN.


dog
said

another non-story, let's talk about golf or something more important/interesting!!!


Capt D. (ret'd)
said

Wow... sometimes it amazes me just how much Canadians really don't know about the combat capability of their own military. It seems that the system has failed to educate the masses or else we would have a lot more appreciation for the fine work the CF does and less smart-aleck comments from people who only think they know what they're talking about.

Dirk: Well presented! At least someone out there knows what they're talking about.

Wait for it... the Russians will make more of these long range training flights in the coming spring months. This is normal. This happens every year. The Canadian Press reports this every year too. This should be no surprise to anyone. Has anything bad ever happened to us? No. We are at peace with them and we intend to remain at peace. So let the Russians train their aircrews, and let the good people in the NORAD/NORTHCOM system do the work they've trained to.

Sleep tight Canada, it's all under control.

Per Ardua Ad Astra!


Cambob
said

You live in a house. You have 2 neighbors who do not really like each other. One neighbor comes to visit and the other neighbor sends his kids to play in the back alley.
The only difference is both neighbors have nuclear weapons and a policy of mutually assured destruction.


Linda in Vancouver
said

I agree with a lot of what Doug said.A good part of the reason I support the Conservatives is because they support our military so they can respond to incidents like this,and take more responsibility with NATO and the defense of North America.It is not reasonable for the whole world to expect the USA to do everything for everyone.
BUT,if Canada is to small for the USA to be interested in,if our fiscal capacity cannot help bail out their economy,if our population to small to generate the kind of power they need from their friends,if the price of friendship with the USA is our sovereignty or our submission, or if they prefer friends who fear them rather than actually like them,I wish they would show enough honesty and integrity to just say so.If they did,we could stop wasting out time trying to build a stronger North America through a more cooperative relationship between our countries.
I love Americans.The people are great,which is why I travel there a lot.But I also grow weary of the way their government,and people like Sean p**s all over us every time they get a chance.
Yes Sean,the USA can crush this country.Please,if that is your desire,just do it and get it over with.I love my country just as much as you love yours.I'll go down just like the people at the Alamo before I surrended Canadian sovereignty to anyone on the planet.If we are not powerful enough,or our determination to remain sovereign makes us unworthy of the friendship of the USA,perhaps China is a better option for you.
We want to do our share,but we will not be bullied.For that,you will have crush us,thus showing the world a side of the USA that no one wants to believe exists.


Barry in Ottawa
said

thanks Dirk !!.. My point exactly, there are no Canadian CF-18's in Afghanistan, and I'm sorry if I left anyone the impression this was a slight against the Canadian Air Force, Thats not the way I meant it... the CDN AF does and Excellent job ...the Government should spend the money to have Canadian Pilots covering Canadian Soldiers... I'm SURE it would mean a great deal for the soldiers on the ground to look up and see at least some of those fighters with the Maple leaf on the tail !!...and there have been times when Canadians had to wait for Air Cover !!. but If our Lads were over there with our aircraft, I'm certain they would be first !!


Gord
said

I'm not sure why this is news or people think this is necessarily related to the Obama visit. It is my understanding that these sorts of airspace intercepts of Russian "bear" bombers resumed a few years back - so there are probably dozens of these incidents over the past few years. They just don't tell us about them. I suspect that we are told about this one deliberately - probably to remind Canadians AND Americans of the importance of the Canadian air force to NORAD defense of North AAmerica.


northof60
said

This causes me to laugh a bit only because the article makes it sound almost like a new event. I live in the Yukon. It is not uncommon to see Russian and American jets buzz overhead our homes at different times of the day or night to see how far they can get before being detected. It`s a running game, with some of the jets flying low enough that you can see them in very vivd detail. Perhaps a base in the north would help , but I doubt it. I`m beginning to think it`s just military games between the three countries , Canada included.


Craig
said

Canada need to increase its AF from 80 CF-18's to at least 160, and buy at least 4 or 5 KC-10's to keep them up there. The Russian's could wipe out 80 fighters in no time at all if they wanted. The SU-27 is a dangerous aircraft, and if they are escourting a few TU-95's then you have a very dangerous situation. My hope is Barry Obama has enough intelligence to keep the F-22 in production. The Russians are mighty afraid of that bird.


Gord
said

There is something not right about the story or we are only getting part of the information. According to Google Earth, the distance from the Cold Lake base to the intercept point NE of Tuktoyaktuk is about 2350 km. I think this is about the max. range for the CF-18. Where did it refuel? Was the CF-18 stationed in Tuktoyaktuk? Obviously there are USAF bases much closer to the Canadian frontier in Alaska - unless we do have a "forward base of operations" for CF-18s. Note that some of the CF-18s from Cold Lake go to other bases on temporary duty (rotations?) such as Comox BC so I am guessing Canada perhaps has some up in the arctic somewhere. Anyone else know more about this?


DB
said

It's not hard to figure out what is going on. The Russians are after natural resources in the arctic. They even planted their flag on the seafloor to claim it for drilling purposes. They don't want to expand or go to war, they want money. They get money by supplying Europe and Asia with natural resources. Good work though, now Canada doesn't look as much like a do-nothing state.


Paul R.
said

I think what some people fail to understand is that Russia will be fortifying their presence in the far north to defend their territorial claims. While they do perform penetration flights on purpose they are rapidly increasing there air and sub fleets for more "patrols". Taking our eye off of them is a mistake. Putin is still the puppet master.

Our CF-18's may be old but they are lethal. As others mentioned here (some of you have some good facts to back up your statements)our jets are flying with updated avionics and weapons systems. Nothing wrong with that. Obviously we are not the USAF but we are good at what we do and have earned the respect of our Air Force peers around the world.

Now to address a rather silly bunch of comments about Obama; no, Steve, he his not weak or unprepared. Do not think anyone, excepts for two term VP's , are truly ready for the White House. I suspect you are one of the many that believed GWB was in some way magically prepared to become President? He hardly knew anything about the rest of the world. He was sold to the American people and his first months in office seems to be a vacation for him until 9/11.


Thankful Canuck - Downtown Canada
said

Thankfully we have the governing Conservatives who are rebuilding the military. The Liberals almost wiped out our military, Canada was a laughing stock on the world stage, which is one of many reasons why the Liberals can never have exclusive power, ever again. Canada & the USA have to work together to protect both countries.


Tori
said

Chad in Slave Lake

That is exactly what I was thinking.

This is not protectionism it is called patriotism. It is making sure Canadian Companies come first. Making sure Canadian workers are employed.

KC you go ahead and be embarassed.

If you really want to be embarrased look up the ratio of country size to military might. Now, that is embarassing.

Our military is the 55th largest in the world. Our country is the 2nd largest.

The country with the largest military is China followed by the USA, India and North Korea then Russia. The USA is the 3rd largest country in the world, Russia is the largest. China is 4th, Brazil is 5th. See the relevance? Out of the top 10 largest countries only Austrailia has a smaller military than we do.

We,as the second largest country, who has an abundance of natural resources that will be sought, should be in the top 5 as far as our military size and might.

This is good practice for our military. They get to improve their reaction time and we show the other countries that we will defend our borders.

As these attempted fly overs increase we will have a country wishing the government had of listened to the former CDS and increased our military and it's equipment.

DJ, nice you set the record straight with our friend in Alaska.

Good point Bruce.

Gerald, all the more reason to build up our military.

Anyone thinking because Canada is a peace loving country is not going to be intruded upon is living in a dream world.

We have what many countries don't, fresh water, oil, minerals, diamonds, unspoiled land, we have it all and eventually someone is going to want to take it.







Bill
said

It is not uncommon for Russian bomber aircraft to skirt N/A airspace and for Canadian/USA fighter aircraft to intercept them. In this instance, it happened on the eve of the President of USA's visit to Ottawa and the media is once again making a big deal out of it.


whatever
said

Steve in Ottawa:

You should really check up on your information!!! You are absolutley wrong on this. Canada has air to air refueling, and several operating locations in the North for Jet operations. I've been there several times as a member of the Armed Forces, and this happens all the time. Most of you have nothing better to do than find anything negative to say about the Armed Forces regardless of what it is. Just remember it is the Soldiers of the Armed Forces that fought for and protect those rights that allow you to say what you want.


Rhonda Pick Enderby
said

HM!Just read all the comments here. Now the question?Are any of the people that commented on here, professional military people with the knowledge (that looks like everyone ,but me hads),to backup,what they profess to know?.....Sounds like a lot of blowbags to me.*shrug*


Emanuel, from NYC
said

Linda and Doug-
I understand your positions. I am a native New Yorker, born and raised in Manhattan. I've grown up with a good sense of where the U.S. is in the world.

- Canada is the largest trading partner that we in the U.S. have. Not the U.K., not Germany, not Japan, but Canada. it is UNWISE for the U.S. to have any kind of
relationship with Canada this is not built on the triple foundations of respect, commerce, and cooperation.

- if the U.S. somehow annexed canada’s territories, the armed forces would be so overwhelmed by defending 5000+ miles of coastline and deployment overseas. That is disastrous. Understand, this is just looking at things from a logistical perspective.

-Antagonizing canada to the extent where the borders are patrolled would put enormous strain on the border patrol. We share the longest undefended border in the world. Imagine the American/Canadian taxpayer burden for subsidizing its defense.

-Proximity of our two countries: it is our best interest to make sure Canada has the means to defend itself. the 1st and only foreign power in history to invade and burn down Washington D.C. came from Canada

I know Sean’s comments drew response from Doug and Linda. I tried to illustrate U.S.-Canadian relations are simply built on mutually intertwined prosperity, and mutually dependent defense. There're plenty of people here in the U.S. that know the importance of Canada. Yes, Canada's military is quite small.

And yes, from the war of independence to September 11, the American military has
grown to be as vast as it is. Ours is a war-like nation. That is our nature, experience, and even motive, from the country's literal birth to today.
And when you have a reputation like that it is very, very dangerous to have no friends.



Rob Levar
said

The CF-18 does not have enough range to intercept a Russian bomber at the Canadian Russian border. This report by the Canadian gov is false.


TO JEP
said

JEP wrote:
"Little does anyone know that our F18's have NOTHING to shoot down any planes with! What are the pilots going to do, ram them?"

JEP, have a look at the picture of the Hornet and the Bear. What do you think those things on the wingtips and belly of the Hornet are? Here's a hint...they are air-to-air missiles used to engage enemy aircraft.

It's surprising the nonsense that is being posted on here. All I can say is Canadian Fighter Pilots risk their lives on those intercept missions. Regardless of what you think of having Russians coming near our airspace, at least be thankful that there are professionals willing to lay it all down to defend your way of life. To all you disbelievers, just say thanks and be on your way...


Canada needs IRBMs and cruise missiles
said

with nuclear warheads . . . to deter or punish US imperialist aggression.

True North, Strong and Free!

Free of US imperialist tyranny.




TO ROB LEVAR
said

Rob Levar...obviously you know nothing. While the logistics of a long range intercept is not something I'm willing to discuss, I can say that you have no idea what you are talking about. Please, for the sake of not creating false information, do not speak about something of which you are not informed. For everyone else, the Hornet is more than capable of reaching that far to our North and I can tell you this report is real.


jimmy-vic
said

i would like to thank God and Steven Harper for letting all of these planes land in a safe manner. No bird strikes or engine failures....yes!!!!


DP - Kansas USA
said

Its good to know our Canadian brothers are on alert patrolling the skies protecting your homeland. It would be nice if you guys got some F-22's, you're probably the only country we can trust with our high tech jets. Deep gratitude from the USA


From poutine to Putin.....
said

I have no problem with MacKay calling the Russians on this. They have been doing this for decades and trying our defences. As for the term "farce" that can be applied to Putin's electioneering strategies.... NUFF SAID.




Alan Berg
said

hah, this is Harper's government tactic of using the Bush/Cheney doctrine to intrude fear on its own canadian citizens, oh and I can't believe people are falling for it...its also cold war rhetoric returning, all propaganda from both russian and canada side
such unclera coments but our officials "we will defend our air space" we will defend ourselves against terrorists, blah blah blah....
Not EVEN canadian intellectuals know what we are really doing in afghanistan, yet we keep hearing we are protecting oruselves against terroists...give it up people please...start thinking..just because canada is full of food and supplies doesn't mean we should eat our chicken wing, bear and not question anything our govt says..


Goldens
said

These flights are very concerning. These are the same types of flights that Georgia complained about before Russia launched an all out war and then annexed Georgian territory. What is far more concerning is that Russia has fighter superiority and it is questionable if we would fair any better in an attack than did Georgia.
John W
Bridgetown NS


richard
said

I am a proud Canadian, and am pleased to see Canada is doing the right thing. I am also greatly distressed to see some so called Canadian posters giving negative comments.......as in post 9/11, or fake report. I would bet they are sitting on their Lazy Boy with a 24, which is probably higher than their IQ, and have nothing better to do.... maybe even on EI, than to look for the negatives! I would suggest you get off of your lardy behinds, read a book, or two, and maybe even seriously think about denouncing your Canadian Citizenship, then move to Russia............where you would probably last 30 seconds! Get a life, and start to appreciate your Country, her people, and the current Government!


Allan Eizinas
said

“The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming” was a silly movie and this publicized “incident” was a silly attempt by the military to take the focus off that debacle in Afghanistan.

It is but yet another example of why our Foreign Affairs department has to take back the foreign affairs portfolio from the military.


Ralph in nb
said

do all the people here know what they are talking about when making comments?


Hunter
said

You should try reading a book that I believe is called "Red Tide Rising", could be a hint of what is yet to come!!


Dr. Strangelove
said

Canadians in general don't know much about our own military but are surprisingly willing to offer opinions on just about any aspect of it. NORAD is a good thing. Canadian-American cooperation is a good thing. I'm too old to learn Russian, thanks, and though I don't think it will happen anytime soon, I'd MUCH rather live under American rule than the Russians. Until then, The True North Strong and Free, baby!






James Halifax
said

Why would Russia resume their "hostile" nature? Well, they aren't interested in spreading Communism, as that is a proven failure. If you want Communism, you need to vote NDP.

On the other hand, if you are a nation that has started to rely mainly on your oil exports, as Russia does, and those same exports are down to $40 US per barrel as opposed to $140 per barrel, what could you do to change the situation?

Easy...manufacture a crisis or foment some strife. Cause problems in the middle East, start a little war now and then...the possibility is endless.
The Russians can't manufacture a storm to threaten oil refineries in the Gulf of Mexico, or off Newfoundland, but they can start some little wars in oil-producing nations. Maybe provide IRAN with some knowledge about nukes...and wait for Israel to respond, thereby causing oil prices to rise. Invade Georgia, cut off supplies to the Ukraine. That sort of thing.

It's not rocket science, in fact it is the exact opposite. Beautiful in its simplicity. Why fly over the Arctic? The same Reason Canada needs to exert some control.....control means ownership. UN be damned.




Jimmy B. - Cold Lake Alberta
said

Another pathetic example of typical ignorance. The "bombers" were in international airspace, they could have flown to 1 inch of the line (a line that is not visisble of course) and still the Canadian military would not have been allowed to touch them. Every day foreign aircraft fly over our canadian skies. Canada may claim the arctic as theirs, but until they actually prove its theirs then others will come to try and take it. Basic human instincts. To say i am proud of the canadian air force, A: its canadian armed forces B: they were doing their job (thus no real praise required) C: they probably had guns and not ammo and D: our airforce is inadequate for what we're trying to protect. Look at a map then look at our continuous "out of order" birds.


GWinnipeg
said

To Barry in Ottawa:

Surely you don't hold a tight belief that Canada only has 2 fighter jets. Save your sarcasm for when you have something humourous to say.


MN
said

This whole incident is over blown and way out of shape. And there are days I am concerned about Peter Mckay. Sometimes he needs to put a lid on it !! Keep it in Ottawa till it becomes a genuine concern .


CDN Patriot
said

DP in Kansas....Canada is a Tier 3 contributor to the F35 program. Hopefully, these will be the next generation of jets for us.

As for the rest of it, we will always have your backs.


Bob in Texas
said

I can't believe what I'm reading....Canada has an Air Force???


Sid in MTL
said

It would be foolish of one to let down their guard regarding the commies, er, Soviets, er, Russians (a rose by any other name).

It would and should come as no surprise that they could also have a boomer hiding under the ice in our North West Passage.....and there is absolutely no way that we could ever detect it until the ice thaws.

While I am glad to see that our Hornets paid the bomber a visit, I would have been more comfortable if we had a couple of Eagles up there just in case they had a Fulcrum or two hanging around in support of that bomber. Our Hornets are no match for the likes of the Fulcrum.

Putin (a.k.a. KGB Boss) is not to be trusted. The Russian Bear remains a force to reckon with in the near future.


Gary Wilson
said

This is very likely a farce. A cynical government's attempt to look good in the public eye by making up some silly offence that never really happened that way. Typical Harper political strategy. Pathetic.


Terry in Kelowna
said

If any military person worth his salt looks at this stupid and meaningless story hyped up by the Harper government, it is so laughable to be a waste of time to give it a second thought. The now Russians and the Soviets of the infamous Cold War played this game for years. It was nothing more than an indirect test of our response time for all of you worriers out there. It is embarrassing to see and hear Harper spin it as something that it is not, a threat, as this Russian aircraft would never violate our airspace intentionally, inless their nagivator was a complete moron. If Harper so worried, than build a fighter base in Alert, as they could intercept anything within minutes. He should be more concerned about our troops in Afghanstan and getting them home, than playing "little Napolean" on the world stage (as he makes Canada and our Armed Forces look like a complete joke). Get a clue next time Stevie before you "fear monger" the Canadian public over nothing but a training flight. God you are an idiot!


canuck
said

i really don`t understand why this has to turn into a another russia vs world/canada debate. apparently the russians notified all coutries involved prior to the flight, and never even entered our airspace. so we canadians put up a couple of fighters up there to say hi and show them they`re not alone;) that`s it. that`s just how it goes. what`s all this nonsense about the EEEVIL russians looking for ways to take over canada? they`ve got enough land as it is (being the biggest country on planet earth ya know) and barely enough money to maintain everything on that land, never mind starting another cold war. are you people braindead? or just brainwashed?


Walt the Duke
said

This is the farce that the Russians say it is! This is sheer Bush-like politics on the part of these right wingers! They seem to think that an election is coming. First it was law and order with the Prime Minister breaking his own Laws. Then it was about gang warfare. Now it is the Russinas are coming. Next it will be a colored coded system to measure the FEAR factor like Bush!


tim
said

Wow, the remarks from some Americans remind me just how arrogant, igonorant and out of touch with the world that many Americans are. I'm really not sure who is a bigger threat to Canada, the US or Russia. Brian in NY and Kris K, I think I heard banjos after I read your remarks.


Dave NS
said

Bob in Texas:

Yes, Canada has an Air Force, and yes, you're ignorant.


Walt the Duke
said

With this Harper government, Canada is becoming the laughing stock of the world. Every country knows he has had Bush as his mentor. We have garnered all the "stupid" awards at the World environment conference. Canada has lost all standing in the world community that PM's such as Pearson and Trudeau built up. He has destroyed it in 3 years.


Reality check
said

Wow... that's alot of comemnts and whole lot of hype! Of the 110 comments, all or which I read, just a few, among them New World and Alan Berg, seem to have not fallen for the hype.

What's the problem with people who fall-in so easily in line behind their politicians without a single thought even to the consistency or even sense of what these politicans say, nevermind its validity, truth obvious sensationalization? Nothing! That's human nature and the politicians love it as a tool to serve their agenda.

But let's review what has been said. 1) The Russians perform these fly-overs regulary. 2) They notify us before they do. 3) We send out our flier boys to counter them regulary. 4) The most recencent fly-by was on the eve of Obama's visit. 5) Only then does the media frenzie begins!

If it wasn't contageous, they wouldn't call it 'mass' hysteria!


Bill Smith S.S.M.
said

As a sign of strength the russians fly near canada's airspace, in it's own sign of strength canada should have shot the bear down.


Aaron
said

Well for all those nay sayers who say we cannot intercept at the CDN / Russian border... Well why then does the CF-18 in the picture have three external fuel drop tanks? I imagine it is only armed with two AA missiles, since the pylons are carrying all the extra fuel needed.


Ki-Som Victoria BC
said

If the Russians think that the world would stand-by and let them invade Canada, then they are living in a dream world. Canada is so well liked, by so many nations, that the Russians have to realize it would be foolish to attack us. Don't forget, we are a commonwealth country, so the UK is bond to protect us.


Goldens
said

To Bob in Texas:
Cheeky Bob! Cheeky!


JoeRJoe
said

Is there really any need for MacKay to go on the way he has. Six months ago Russia made it known they were going to start long range flying. The joke of it is that if the Russian were coming 2 relics from the cold war are not going to stop. Is this a game to get a U.S. military base in the Artic.


Rick in NB
said

Have all you posters forgotten Harper's Pooping Puffin Patrol. They fly under radar, very stelth, ability to move unnoticed in foreign lands and can crap all over the Kremlin.
The puffin a true member of the Great White North.


Herb
said

It is a farce. Another stupid vignette involving the same old stupid people. Our government is an international embarrassment.


FreakAlert
said

Maybe the Canadian public is being greased that the CAF needs new overpriced US fighters


stevo
said

A bit of nostalgia here. Boy, I miss the Cold War. The name calling and accusations, the spying and propaganda with a nice mix of M.A.D. to keep everyone in line. There was something comforting in knowing who your enemy was unlike today where we're trying to seek out and destroy various extremist radical religious splinter groups that are loosely associated with fanatical offshoots of known terrorist organizations.

Can you honestly say that the world is safer today than 25 years ago?

P.S. I'm impressed that we could scramble two CF-18's at the same time. What was protecting the rest of Canada?


Don from Ottawa
said

Tempting as it is to trivialize these events, it is also foolish. Our government did the right thing by scrambling fighter jets and then calling the Russians out publicly.


mike campbell
said

some of you are dumber than i thought this is a russian push to take more control over the north and it is an insult that some of you talk about our military you whine when we spend on them and you whineat how small and under trained and some of you would welcome the russians grow up folks i for one would triple our spending to protect the north and i have served to protect you


Kostas Montreal
said

I don't understand why this is such a big matter? They didn't enter our airspace, so whats the big buzz?


mike campbell
said

one more thing some of you forgot most of those flights were and are hauling NUKES i know because i worked for norad and the dew line this is not a minor thing they get in close just in case they get the go code then there toys can reach you and your children grow up folks russia is not our buddy


American in Nanaimo
said

There seems to be a fierce over reaction to a posting by Sean stating something like "we've got more planes in one base in Alaska than your entire air force". That might not be polite but does it really represent an attack on Canada's sovereignty?

I believe that Canada is a great country because of its similarities to the United States and not because of its differences. You shouldn't have to knock us down to feel good about yourselves.


Walt the Duke
said

Those Yanks are really smart. They got rid of their gang of idiots and put President Obama in!.Now we must do the same. Our gang of idiots must go! They are making Canada the laughing stock of the world.


raven48
said

Kudos to the Canadian CF-18 Hornets and their "greeting" of the great Russian aircraft. It's amazing how the coincidences seem to coordinate when it is convenient for the Russians. I wonder if the have a ministry of coincidence? If so, it seems to be very well informed. Nuff said.


Murray from Calgary
said

190 KM or 120 miles Northeast of Tuk and this is not inside our airspace. I thought we claim the arctic islands as Canadian territory do we not?




L.A.
said

Canada is right. We cannot allow any country to acquire any right by prescription under international law.


kris from toronto
said

International passage means Russian or American heavy bombers can fly without a damn care in the world a couple hundred km from our Northern Cities.

Are you kidding me?


MM
said

The ignorance of the comments is astounding. The arctic is under attack by several countries. The Northwest Passage is disputed by all including our so called friends to the south. Instead of auto bailouts , lets put the money into the defense department. Build ice-breakers, develop war planes and enlist people in the military. At the end we will have something to show for our money and a lot more capability to assert our soveriegnty. Lets stop wasting money in Afghanistan on people who do not want to be helped in the first place.


Dona
said

Don't mess with the russian's they say.


DC in AB
said

Sean: Please no what you're speaking about before yapping. The CF-18 is NOT a dumbed down version of the Super Hornet it is based on the F/A-18 with a few subtle changes. In fact, it the F/A-18E/F (Super Hornet) was not introduced until 1999. Canada took delivery of the CF-18 in 1983 - 16 years before the Super Hornet was introduced. Now, you also need to know that while our CF-18's are outdated, 1. Our pilots always win in war games with the USA and other NATO nations (we have highly skilled/trained pilots - the best in the world) and 2. We will be the first in the world to take delivery of the F-35 Lightning II (Join Strike Fighter).

We as Canadian's need to assert our sovereignty from whomever may be infringing upon it. Russia is not the Russia we knew in the 90's after the collapse of the USSR. They under Vladimir Putin are moving back towards their old ways. While those flights have been "normal" in the last few years, we do have an obligation under NORAD and as a sovereign country to show them that we see them. This happens frequently and our "18's" bounce them regularly -- its just that this is being reported because a head of state was headed to our country.


Joseph from Cold Lake
said

Steve in Ottawa:
It's quite obvious you know nothing about our air force. They do indeed still have air to air refuelling. It happens more often then you think.
No the jets couldn't go 2300kns without fuel, but certainly did have air to air support while they get to the Beaufort Sea.
We shouldn't trust any country, Russia or the US. We have to have our own interest and not get to relaxed with any of our so called friends.


cadguy
said

I find this very funny. While I was at Cold Lake. We intercepted Russian airliners flying where they shouldn't during cruise missle tests. Regularly the Russians fly off our shore. Sometimes we intercept. Sometimes the Americans intercept. Sometimes both, Sometimes neither. Then the Russians are confused as to where our air defence is weak or not. It's a game that the US used to play with the Russians as well. In fact, they know that so many days after the Russian bombers fly one way past our coast, that they will leave and fly back to their home base flying the other direction usually past us again! They do not fly over Canadian soil but they do bounce into our airspace at times to test us. It's now just something that Harper wants to rant about and seem tough. I'm sure the Russians aren't losing any sleep over his comments and neither should ourselves.


peter
said

american in nanaimo, typical of most american, you can dish it out, but you sure don't like to take it. hmmm bully? hmmm uhh yeah. seems to me for the last 8 years americans have been knocking canadians to make themselves feel better. look at y'all now eh... our banks didn't need bailing out and we all have health care... china and india have replaced you.. get over it and move on


Kyle
said

In reference to the picture of the Hornet escorting the Bear above, the Hornet appears to be wearing the tail flash of a Cold Lake AB based aircraft, and the Sidewinder missiles on the wingtip station is clearly marked with the identification bands of a live warhead. There are also two medium range missiles mounted on the fuselage stations. They are not up there on a tourist flight.

Some posters need to stop dipping into the blind rhetoric and get the facts straight before posting.


Algonquin Girl
said

Interesting... we're all quibbling over the arctic and trying to maintain "control" of what we feel is "Canada's Land"...

Well - let's remember the Inuit have been there for thousands of years... um, don't THEY have any say in who runs up there?

Maybe it's time the government of Canada start allowing native people to control the lands that they have been stewards of for generations upon generation. There's no disputing that, is there?




Peter in Edmonton
said

I love hte Americans posting here who come to say:
"Ewww I didnt know Canda had an air force...hardy-har-har".

Oh well then I guess you're plain stupid then aren'tcha? Just can't stand to see even a simple story about an ally doing something...I guess you're just that childish. Now go play with your GI-Joes.

To the other Americans who came here with a thumbs up: no problem. No one's looking for a medal here. We're glad we were there to do it.

But for the whiners and chiders you might want to review Afghanistan: All of NATO countries are represented there but only 3 are facing the same level of danger and are willing to fight at all: The US, Canada and Britain (oh sorry - also Assuies). France has a HUGE armed force and deployments all over the world but they won't lift a rifle in Afghanistan. So you can go ahead and make fun of us but I think the huge armed force that won't fight is more pathetic than the small under-equipped force that will.


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