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CTV's Question Period: United Steelworkers Union President Leo Gerard on the 'Buy American' plan
CTV's Question Period: International Trade Minister Stockwell Day on protectionism

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Date: Sun. Feb. 1 2009 6:54 PM ET

The head of the United Steelworkers Union says the so-called "Buy American" plan pitched by U.S. Congress last week is not protectionism, but rather a plan to create jobs at home and to help the ailing U.S. economy.

Leo Gerard said he was offended by the notion that the trade plan, which would ban the use of foreign iron and steel in building projects funded by President Barack Obama's stimulus plan, would hurt Canadian industries.

"The fact of the matter is, this isn't protectionism," the Canadian-born Gerard said Sunday on CTV's Question Period.

"It's trying to say that if we're going to rebuild the economy of Canada, and rebuild the economy of America, we've got to make sure that taxpayer dollars are going to be used to create jobs in those countries and get the economies back on their feet."

The "Buy American" plan, which is still under consideration by the Obama administration, has upset major U.S. trading partners, including Canada, who charge that the provision will only hamper the global economy because it will raise international trade barriers.

But instead of complaining about U.S. policies, Gerard said the Canadian government should work to protect their own domestic industry.

"As a Canadian, I can tell you that ... there's no longer a Canadian steel industry. There's barely any Canadian-owned manufacturing left," Gerard said, noting that Canada was given an exception when the U.S. restricted international steel seven years ago.

In 2007, Hamilton-based steel giant Stelco was purchased by US Steel for $1.9 billion. Stelco's one-time Canadian rival Dofasco was sold to the Luxembourg-based Arcelor in 2006.

"Canada's not the problem now. It's China, it's the Asian countries, it's the Russians who are dumping their stuff in America, they're dumping it in Canada," he said.

"I don't hear the Canadian government stepping up and bringing charges under our trade laws against the Chinese, who have increased their steel production and their steel dumping into Canada by almost 300 per cent," Gerard said.

Stockwell Day speaking to trade rep

Speaking from the economic forum in Davos, Switzerland, International Trade Minister Stockwell Day said he has spoken with interim U.S. trade representative Peter Allgeier about concerns that the plan will shut Canadian steelmakers out of the U.S. market.

"I reiterated with him that this is a very high level of concern with us," Day told Question Period. "It's not good for Canadian business, it's not good for American business, or for our producer, or for our workers. This is not the time to be raising protectionist barriers. And he said that he heard that loud and clear."

According to Day, Canada shipped about $11 billion worth of steel and iron ore products to the United States in 2007.

The Buy American plan includes a provision that any policy aimed at protecting American industry be devised while respecting U.S. obligations under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), as well as international agreements under the World Trade Organization (WTO).

Day said he is "somewhat optimistic" that U.S. officials will grant Canada an exemption if the plan is implemented.

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Whattodo?
said

I don't hear the Canadian government stepping up and bringing charges under our trade laws against the Chinese, who have increased their steel production and their steel dumping into Canada by almost 300 per cent


Layton B, Int'l Union of Painters and Allied Trade
said

I say if anything it shouldn't be buy American, it should be 'Buy NAFTA'. Isn't that why we have a free trade accord with Mexico and the USA? Don't target us, target China and India, that's where the manufacturing jobs have all gone. Maybe if Bush hadn't financed his war with China, then maybe they'd have leverage.


steve, Toronto
said

This is a pretty strange thing to hear coming from Leo Gerrard, who is a Canadian from Sudbury!


Jonathan in Winnipeg
said

I don't know anyone who does not really believe this is protectionism. It is pure and simple when you prohibit any other country from selling products.
But the US wanted change. And many Canadians were so excited about a week and a half ago about this new change in the US.
Welcome to the new change, Canada. Expect more "change" to come.


Frank
said

Oh this guy should pull his hard hat out of his ass...It is 'SO BLATANTLY Protectionist...IF it was Bush or a Republican making this policy, these left wing nut jobs would be all over it like a banker over a bailout...


bunny
said

The NDP and the unions think one way. Iggy is way too strong on this, all he is doing is muddying the waters. He needs to shut up, and let the goverment do what they know how to do. The media seems to give iggy every sound byte, and unions any air time.


Hudini Meyan
said

Canada would have done to same if better off. Without the resource sector; this wouldn't have matter as much.


Dennis in Calgary
said

Seems like American Imperialism is alive and well even under a new leader.


Peter Hunziker
said

If it is not protectionisme it flies in the face of all internetional trade agreements.
The US made the financial collapse, affecting the entire world,-- now it wants the world to pay for it !?
Gerard needs new glasses.


Jim Dodds, Nanaimo, BC
said

Pure Orwellian rhetoric from a Canadian already brainwashed into believing in the American dream and so sad to see truth blatantly denied.


A Koster
said

Get with the program Day. Little big tuff guy when you're whining and crying to make yourself heard by the grown up guy who actually cares about his country. Ew.. what a concept.
How about showing how tough you really are by trying to stand up and do the right things for us for a change, for Canadians... lol just kidding cause I know hell won't freeze over.. unfortunately for you I suppose... though it would be funny to see you trying.
If you ever gather the nerve though, start with China... I'm so sick of buying cheap stuff that falls apart before you know it, and which you need to pass by CIDC before you can consider it safe. I'm sick of jobs going overseas with Dell, Ikea, Fisher Price, others that you can identify by simply walking around Walmart, etc.. you no doubt have a much longer list than those I can think of at the moment. If these companies aren't worried that they've ruined their reputations by the current shoddy workmanship then sobeit.. I don't have to buy from them anymore. Thanks.


Bruno , Calgary
said

Americans have never been considerate of any nation worldwide from starting wars anywhere they want to ignoring any treaty or agreement they have ever signed. They have always felt themselves superior to any other nation and to think that they will show any consideration to "their friends of the north" is to seriously delude ourselves. Friends are ones who come together especially in times of need. The time has come to find ourselves new friends who won't stab us in the back!


BOB in BC
said

Let's turn the taps off the pipelines going south for a while. There are new markets to be reached. Lets not depend on the USA to bail out our economy. Come on Canada, wake up, be proactive. We have the resources the whole world is looking for, lets find some managers to guide this country towards prosperity again. Go Canada


6500 in Sudbury
said

Leo Gerard is an idiot. This is protectionism at its finest. I hope our local union boots you guys out for taking our hard earned money and taking it to the USA.Our so called leader protecting his fat ass in Pittsburgh, while we are gonna suffer in Canada. Way to go jackass protect your adopted country and forget us as usual.


Jay
said

I say let the American's go ahead and install the "Buy American Plan ", as long as we Canadian's can go and renegotiate our existing hydro rates to them. Oh, I'm sorry, that was our cost under our old rates, your new rates will be $$$$$$$$$$$$


Cat
said

Gerard is one smart man. He gets the idea. CTV thanks for not being the oh so factualy wrong star!
thank for the more fair CTV


fach
said

I beleive it is time for Canada to pull up there socks and threaten the same. STOP shipping our resoures like water or raise the price, lets stop being pushed around by the big boys and stand our ground.


Denis
said

The large trade deficit in the US is unsustainable.
Protectionist is probably the best thing since the stimulus is expansionary in nature and will increase the trade deficit.


Michelle
said

Oh well if a union says it isn't protectionist... We can all trust unions to give their unbiased, and fair opinion.
A union would rather see their own industry collapse before advocating for competitive free trade that might result in the reduction of their workers pay and benefits.


Ashamed 6500 Sudbury
said

Is he outta his mind?

The steel mill in Sault Ste. Marie, Canada last week announced a 4 day-work week to save $$ because of a failing economy. The Steelworkers that work there agreed to this to save their jobs,(for now), and to have their President say this on national television is a kick to the "mid-section" to say the least. I guess we as Steelworkers in Canada only matter to the US Steelworkers on pay day.


D Clark
said

Silly Democrats. If they only buy American, they will be paying a higher price for materials as supply would be restricted (as opposed to the vast supply if Canadian and Chinese steel imports were accepted into the equation).

I must say economics is not the forte of the left, especially when they pressure banks to give credit to people who can't pay back their dues (which is what caused this crisis in the first place).

Jeb Bush 2012.


Pat
said

It is protectionism and that same protectionism is widely considered to be one of the reasons the world went into a depression after the stock market crash of 1929.


Nick T
said

I find it amazing when you look at the whole situation:

1 - USA brings the entire world economy and financial markets to turmoil with their rule-less markets

2 - USA tells the world that THE WHOLE WORLD needs to pull together to confront the situation

3 - USA tells the world that EVERYONE needs too chip in money to get things going again

4 - USA reveals stimulus package that basically tells the world 'screw you, buy american'

So, everyone needs to be in this together because the USA caused the problems, and the world has to stick to one another to keep everything going. But wait, when it comes time to spend money, spend it at home and only at home... right, talk about being 'together for the long haul'


eddytoronto
said

Trilateral Commission!

For anyone who doubts the Commission’s continuing influence on Obama, consider that he has already appointed no less than nine members of the Commission to top-level and key positions in his Administration.

According to official Trilateral Commission membership lists, there are only 87 members from the United States (the other 337 members are from other regions). Thus, in less than two weeks since his inauguration, Obama’s appointments encompass more than 10% of Commission’s entire U.S. membership.

Is this a mere coincidence or is it a continuation of dominance over the Executive Branch since 1976? (For important background, read The Trilateral Commission: Usurping Sovereignty.)

1- Secretary of Treasury, Tim Geithner
2- Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice
3- National Security Advisor, Thomas Donilon
4- Chairman, Economic Recovery Committee, Paul Volker
5- Director of National Intelligence, Admiral Dennis C. Blair 6- Assistant Secretary of State, Asia & Pacific, Kurt M. Campbell
7- Deputy Secretary of State, James Steinberg
8- State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Haass
9- State Department, Special Envoy, Dennis Ross
10- State Department, Special Envoy, Richard Holbrooke

There are many other incidental links to the Trilateral 12- 12- Commission, for instance,

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is married to Commission member William Jefferson Clinton.

Geithner’s informal group of advisors include E. Gerald Corrigan, Paul Volker, Alan Greenspan and Peter G. Peterson, among others. His first job after college was with Henry Kissinger at Kissinger Associates.

Brent Scowcroft has been an unofficial advisor to Obama and was mentor to Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

Robert Zoelick is currently president of the World Bank

Laurence Summers, White House Economic Advisor, was mentored by former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin during the Clinton administration.

There are many other such links, but these are enough for you to get the idea of what’s going on here.



A concern One
said

Isn't that the price we are supposed to pay for relying on other countries? Wake up people, ofcourse other countries will think about themselves when they are in trouble. I think it's about time that Canada should start doing the same or everytime our dearest trading partner will go down they will take us with them.


Dr J in SK
said

The American and Canadian plans should be called 'Don't Buy Chinese'...


Buba
said

"The Buy American plan includes a provision that any policy aimed at protecting American industry be devised while respecting U.S. obligations under the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), as well as international agreements under the World Trade Organization (WTO)."

As usual, this whole kerfuffal is "much ado about nothing".

Girard repeatedly reminded interviewer Jane Taber(?) that she was misinterpreting what he was saying.


Alan
said

Obama has promised so much to so many he is in a terrible spot. When he campaigned through Ohio and Michigan it was about jobs. So is Buy American a surprise? Feb 19 is an important visit by Mr Obama. On our part I just hope that the newby Mr Itsnotenuff and his colleagues Jack and Gilles keep out of it. Their comments have no value added.


Anne M
said

A union leader saying this??? I don't believe a word of it, no matter what he says, it is PROTECTIONISM.Leo is simply looking after his extragavant lifestyle.


K
said

I think the point is valid. The Americans are not against buying products from Canada they just don't want $400 billion heading to China. With this said they must prepare themselves for the backlash of excluding countries. The last thing the USA needs is to have the world stop trading with them or put tariffs against them.


David #1
said

Leo Gerard is absolutely 300% x 300 trillion % right! Our political/business elites have "sold-out" to "Made in China" and we are all suffering for it.

Communist China is a predator nation that is manipulating world markets keeping their yuan currency falsely devaluated, no labour/environmental laws and they slap a 20% tarrif tax on all exports into China. So how is that "fair" trade?

North Americans represent 75% consumer spender while Chinese less than 30%. Chinese don't buy North American products but when they do spend they are nationalistic buying "Made in China". So who really is practicing "protectionism"???

Enough is enough..the only ones getting rich from "Made in China" are multi-nationals, CEOs, stock/shareholders that have us believing "so-called" "emerging markets in Asia" are wonderful. It's a lie and we're paying for their gravy-train illusions.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

Buy American is more about growing union power (payback for supporting Dems), and exporting job losses to their trading partners.


JS
said

If this isn't protectionism, then what is? The US lawmakers better take into consideration that Canada is the main export destination of 35 US states.

The Great Depression was caused by protectionism when the States enacted the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. Weren't all the Liberals happy and excited when Obama got in? Expect more of the same from him, and of course Iggy and Jack will be cheering the loudest. They are just Obama clones.


Anne M
said

Time for the "snowbirds" to stop going south and stay in Canada for a change. This would kick the american butts, as they would lose a great deal of trade in the US. I wonder if anyone has studied the effect on the economy in AZ during the winter months.Hmmm!


Anthony
said

As I am glancing on 2008 trade figures example US and China I see that...
TOTAL export $66,250.9 import $312,704.0
deficit $(-246,453.1)
in thousand million. Anyone wants to convince me about a fair, free trade ?
No country can last for long with these numbers. Not even US of A.


Ken
said

Hmmmm! Do I detect the beginning of the end of the love affair with Obama and the resumption of the hate everything US


Bill
said

How many countries around the world are experiancing riots in the streets over the fall of globalization? Politicions can now try to earn their GOLDEN PENSIONS.


John McArthur
said

If they want to pay "HARDBALL", shutoff the Oil taps


Sonja Mills
said

China is "dumping" their iron and steel in Canada? That's funny, I could have sworn someone was buying it.


D Clark
said

Nick T:

The world (individuals, governments, and businesses) bought into investments that were backed with bad credit, so I don't know how the US can be responsible for their decisionmaking. A free market = responsibility, which a slew of people fail to understand.


Dean
said

If the Americans want to buy American, then let's not sell them our oil and gas, or our hydroelectric power. How funny will that be in the cold northern US states? Oh, wait a minute, California needs our electricity too otherwise they get brown-outs. Oh darn. Save our energy for ourselves and others who will not balk about buying "international". What was Nafta for?


James
said

Buy American will be good for the States. They need to use the NAFTA agreement more. There is too much global trade. It is important in moderation but they have to keep jobs in the States.

In Canada, we try and buy Canadian to support our economy here.


John in Calgary
said

This is a tough one, but I wish they would just call it how it is. Canadians and Americans are getting screwed over in the steel industry (and other industry's) because places like Russia and China don't give a crap about their employees.

We have to spend millions making sure our products are made safely and our employees are paid for their work. These other country's don't have to do these sorts of things and the results are cheaper products. Now if this is their cause then I agree with it. And to state it this way would have been better than saying "Buy American."

But I also believe there should be free trade and if these country's ARE able to pay their employees well and give them a safe work environment, then we should have to suck it up.

I hope Canada doesn't get sucked into these American notions. We are our own country and if we don't believe in something we should stick up for ourselves instead of rolling over.


canuckman1
said

I work in the steel industry, and we go through plenty sheets of steel,, and most of it comes from Claymont, which is owned by a company call Evraz or something rather,, I wonder how thats gonna turn out baing the largest American steel producer in N.A.



Should US government help workers in US
said

or should the US government help workers in foreign countries?

Answer: US government always does what is most profitable for US boss class.




George in Calgary
said

To Bunny: The reason that the Iggy's and union heads of this country get the sound bites is because those kind of figures are left of centre in our political system; some more so then others. The media panders to them because practically all media organizations are also left of centre in their political views. This is not news; this is fact. And by saying this no doubt this may not get into the discussion but start watching and reading the news outlets and decide for yourself.


I thought we are neighours
said

I agree with Dr. J in SK that "Canadian and American" both should band the product of Made in Chinese!

We should start by stop shopping at WalMart, Dollar Store and look at the label carefully before we pay!

Well, seems like America is going backwords. Like the good old China and Russia prior in the 1960's. But guess happened. China finally woke up and OPEN their door! They understand they need partners to trade their product with. Their unemployment rate is ONLY 3.5 and their G.D.P. is STILL AIMING FOR 8.0!

Locking yourself up is NOT going to solve the problem. This is WAY TOO BIG for just one country to HANDLE! 850 Billions won't stop the BLEEDINGS! It has been going on too long!

We need to work together as a TEAM! We thought America is a team player?!




Mark
said

Classic. Did anyone note the belligerence displayed by this unionist when he began to discuss how the poor union man has been disenfranchised and abused by "Globalization", "Free Traders" and "Corporate greed"? Then he accuses the interview as asking "demeaning" questions.

He insulted the interviewer saying that "you're obviously not listening" as he raised his voice to drown her out. Next he continues with his clearly Unionist "I want what I want" and we deserve more.

Did you note the pro-"Coalition" comment???

Give me a freaking break.

This guy is dangerous.

Watch out folks-I see higher taxes, more protectionism and a long, protracted recession.


Les P
said

Simply stop buying Chinese.
All our industry that sustained all of North America is either now in Asia or will be soon!
think back just a decade ago when we had mills and factories and products flowed freely across our border with the U.S.
Products that were made with quality and pride that would last for years and were built by your neighbors for your neighbors.
As previously stated, you can't go into Walmart and find anything made in North America! Tried Canadian Tire lately? It's better known these days as "China Tire".
Bring our industries and manufacturing back and let's return to spending a little more for superior quality, jobs and a much missed better way standard of living for ourselves and our neighbors.


ultamatt in n.s.
said

maybe they should only buy american oil , no more quebec and ontario hydro , and no more canadian fresh water .


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