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Canada AM: Chris Piper, from the Richard Ivey School of Business, discusses what concessions the CAW will make to try to save Canada's auto industry
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Date: Mon. Feb. 2 2009 6:39 PM ET

Opposition members prodded the Conservative government Monday over their handling of Canada's concerns that a contentious U.S. bill could cripple cross-border trade.

The early part of Monday afternoon's question period in the House of Commons centred on a controversial "Buy American" clause that be may appended to a US$880 billion stimulus bill working its way through the U.S. Senate.

It's a provision could potentially keep Canadian steel products out of the U.S.

On Monday, International Trade Minister Stockwell Day warned Parliament that it appears that the "Buy American" clause could become even more worrisome for the Canadian economy than originally thought.

Day said "a last minute entry into the legislation in this particular clause that's before their Senate right now, takes it further than just steel or just iron products, but it could go across the board to many other products."

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff told the House of Commons that Canadians "want the legislation to be changed" and he asked the government what it was doing to "protect Canadian jobs from American protectionism."

Day said it was not only Canada that would be affected by the "Buy American" provision, but other U.S. trading partners as well. The minister said the Canadian government would continue to lobby their American counterparts.

"We are going to continue to make our concerns known, we will continue to put forward possible solutions and I believe that we will find a solution if we continue," Day said in French.

2,000 jobs at risk in Quebec

Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe said the proposed U.S. legislation "contains a protectionist clause that would contravene WTO and NAFTA rules and would cause the loss of 2,000 jobs in Quebec."

He said it is possible that the bill could be passed into law before the prime minister has a chance to meet face-to-face with President Barack Obama on Feb. 19, when the U.S. president will visit Canada. 

"Will the prime minister undertake to call President Obama as quickly as possible and ask him to change the clause which could avoid a lengthy legal battle, as was the case with softwood lumber," Duceppe asked in French.

Day told Duceppe that is "exactly" the route that the Canadian government intends to take.

"We would like to find a solution before the president visits Canada," said Day.

Day 'slightly encouraged' about talks with U.S.

On the weekend, Day met with U.S. economic envoy Peter Allgeier at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

He said he made Canada's position clear to Allgeier, but came away from the meeting with little more than a hint of reassurance that Canada would be exempted from the measure.

"I was slightly encouraged -- and I say slightly because it's a very serious issue with no guarantees that we will come out with what we want here," Day told CTV's Canada AM.

"He said he had been following closely our position, he had been following what the prime minister said last week in the House of Commons and he'd been following what I have been saying."

Day said Obama's administration appears to be taking the issue seriously, but is making no promises that the end result will be in Canada's favour.

He described the amendment as a "protectionist barrier" that could result in retaliatory trade wars that would hurt all the players involved.

"We certainly are making it very clear that if certain actions go forward a certain way, that's going to have negative consequences. We think it can be avoided and we hope he agrees with us."

John Curtis, from the Centre for International Governance Innovation, said Canada was exempted from tough international trade policies in 1962 and 1971, but such measures are not common.

"These are tough times and the U.S. has said it needs to look after national interests," Curtis said.

He added that the proposed amendment to the bill violates both the spirit and the law of NAFTA, but enforcing that law would require years of legal wrangling.

James Blanchard, a former U.S. ambassador to Canada, said Monday that it appears to be unlikely that the "Buy American" clause would hamper Canadian business.

"If we have purchasing agreements, contractual agreements with countries where we agree to buy each other's goods and services, they are apparently not affected," he told CTV's Power Play from Washington.

"My guess is this is going to get all worked out and it won't affect Canada or our normal trading partners," he added.

Stimulus package before Senate

Meanwhile, the controversial stimulus package was to go before the Senate on Monday, but was expected to be a tough sell with strong feelings on both sides of the argument.

Not a single Republican voted in favour of the stimulus package when it passed the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives last Wednesday.

Most Republicans say the bill -- which contains a contentious "Buy American" clause -- is too heavy on spending and too light on tax cuts.

Obama said he has worked hard to reach out to Republicans and listen to their ideas, and is "confident we're going to get it passed."

The bill earmarks some $544 billion for government spending and $275 billion for individual and business tax cuts. It includes infrastructure money for highways and mass transit and spending on unemployment benefits, health care and food stamp increases.

But Republican Senator Jeff Sessions has been questioning why the bill is short on spending for infrastructure projects -- one of many changes that are possible as senators work to amend the measure.

Obama and U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden were scheduled to meet with congressional leaders on Monday to try working out a deal. Obama has signalled he is willing to twist arms, or negotiate, as necessary.

Democrats have also voiced concerns about the massive bill.

Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson, a Democrat, told CNN's State of the Union that it is unclear if some of the investment elements in the bill will actually create jobs.

"I like parts of it that are based on infrastructure, which I think truly will create jobs," he said Sunday.

But he said there's "an awful lot" of spending initiatives including in the bill that are only "marginally supportive and stimulative for jobs."

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Chris Johnson from Barrie, ON
said

I really hope Obama changes his bill from "Buy American" to "Buy North-American"!


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Massive government spending and massive government waste go hand in hand. There isn't a government on the planet that can carry a bucket of water to the people without spilling nearly half of it on the ground during the delivery.

It will be interesting to see, in the U.S. and Canada, how inefficiently and ineffectively our government bureaucracies dispense outgoing funds. Oversight and progress reporting will be fundamentally key.

Moreover, the fun will begin when programs are necessarily cut back after the conclusion of their uselessness or lifespan. Watch the crying from the varied recipients on the dole.


sue
said

This will increase the anger between Canadain and U.S. Oh I under stand now use the canadians men & woman for bate and stop buying from them cut them off.WHAT IS HE THINKING. If they think canadain can be used, Canadains are smartter then that,send our Canadain troopers back home.


Oscar the realist in Ottawa
said

Very well though out Sue,

Anyway, an unfortunate aspect of this bulk spending is the fact there will always be those who siphon off cash for their own businesses (a la sponsorship scandal) as the volume of money being spent seems to be less regulated. I think the Canadian budget has more controls in place than the US could ever hope to have given it’s only 1/10th of their proposed spending.

As for a "buy American" clause, if you didn't see that coming, you should get your eyes checked, it's unfortunate that a group of people, hopefully educated in economics, fail to see that to spur on the world economy you have to allow the cash to flow around the world, not just in your little sphere. In the end, this is a cyclic problem, the rich financial entities will go back to their own ways and we or our children will see a similar fate in their lifetimes. If you think different, why have the major banks in Canada not adjusted their lending rates when the BOC changes theirs or the cost of gas fallen into line with the price of a barrel of oil?




James in New Brunswick
said

The fact of the matter is that unless the US consumer climbs back on the consumerism bandwagon, the rest of the world's economy will take a very, very long time to recover.

The world economy is a house of cards based on conspicuous consumption of goods and services. Of real concern is the fact that much of this consumption is being done with CREDIT rather than CASH.

If you think things are bad now, just wait until consumers start defaulting on their credit card debt. If even 10% of credit card debt is defaulted, the world as an economic entity is going to have a very hard time.


Nolan
said

I have no problem with a buy-American plan, so long as it is North American, if not then Obama will be taking a step towards a very dangerous position of isolationist policies that will result in the destruction of NAFTA.


James
said

The stimulus package is a good start and a good idea from the Democrats. What would really help the economy is when the money starts to circulate within the States. Buying goods such as groceries, clthing, appliances, reconstruction material etc. That is when you will see a recovery in the economy.


Roger T
said

How about the US stop waging war all over the world for the sake of calling it peace keeping! They spend billions on military and research and claim to be the world police yet invading and waging war for the sake of implementing themselves on foreign soils.

Spending billions on war while the economy is sinking into a depression isn't gonna help it recover.




Kevin
said

Not a big suprise, and I can't blame the Americans. A major contributing factor to this economic crisis is corporate globalization and lack of government policy to protect society as a whole. In my opinion it's in every country's best interest, including Canada, to have policies in place that balance free trade with ensuring the country doesn't sell out.


CD
said

For all those people that thought OBAMA was the next coming of CHRIST.....you were all idoits!....Obama is and will put the United States into another depression....Remember Obama has not brought forth his TAX increase to the people...And this was the guy you all morons wanted as a leader for Canada....????


James
said

As much as I wanted to vote for Obama, I could not because I am Canadian. Obama must serve the people who voted for him and change. This "change" may very well mean that Americans must erect some trade barriers. The fact of the matter is that Americans purchase so much from the rest of the world and the rest of the world wants to sell to the Americans.
There is no way that Americans can produce all that they consume. Hence, they may be some short term trade pain for long term economic growth.

Canadians needs to use this time to re-negotiate NAFTA to be more equitable and for dispute settlement mechanisms have more force. No more soft wood lumber debacles that make a mockery out of the current agreement.

And by the way; FORGIVE ALL DEBT!!


J.C.
said

If the US cuts off supplies of any kind from our country, then maybe we should cut off some supplies to them. An example would be oil and electricity for starters. Then let's see what they say.
On the other hand, what do they mean by America? there is North America (which includes Canada and the US), and there is South America.Which "America" are they referring to? Or do they mean both?


Joe MacP
said

Anyone remember the Richard Rhomer books in the 70's and 80's and how one day Canada versus America will ultimately come to a show down....If the Amurkans can't seem to want to honor trade rules, the hell with them ...we can sell our oil and water and steel and cheap power and all the great things that we now help make them so great and it's their loss our gain ...and oh yes President Obama can stay below the 49th on the 19th as well....i don't think we need get caught up in his mountainous rhetoric...thats what I feel any way...


Laz in Finance
said

To those Canadians that just Love Obama. This is your first indication that he is all "ME" and will not lay awake at night thinking of all the Canadians that will lose their jobs over this. If you think steel is something, wait until other barriers go up. Your Union reps will have nothing to say as you go to the EI office. The sear fact that even the American counterparts are saying, "maybe" is a concern. And just for all you history buffs out there, the great depression was mainly caused by TRADE BARRIERS which prolonged any recession of the time. Fantastic.


Jim in Edmonton
said

I would like to see a trading program where there is a level playing field! Similar labor and envionmental costs etc. North America cannot survive if we continue to export our jobs to places that pay 50c and hour. Meanwhile if Mr Obama wants to play hardball, we can sell our oil to India or China. What goes around comes around. If the USA has a bone to pick, it's with China, not us.


iphoneu
said

Oh well, when the recovery finally takes hold, the other markets will be closed to American goods as all other countries would have retaliated for such a stupid idea. Obama's first month in office has certainly been disappointing.


simon
said

I do not believe the US can strictly stick to the "Buy American" policy.
If that was the case, then they would also have to stop buying Canadian Oil.
And that, my friend, would not be at all possible.
Americans are addicted to oil!!!


Sahib Reginawale
said

They better not extend this "Buy American" to beef. Otherwise, what will I do with so many of my cows. Mooo


bob - wpg
said

"Most Republicans say the bill -- which contains a contentious "Buy American" clause -- is too heavy on spending and too light on tax cuts"

Where were these same republicans when Dubya was borrowing billions to pay for his wars, providing loans and loan guarantees to Wall Street and the big banks, and giving out corporate welfare, in the form of tax cuts, to his CEO buddies?

Oh right --- they were out giving speaches to their constituents warning them of the tax and spend Democrats and the evils of socialism.

Is it only the rest of the world that can see the hyprocrisy?


Roadrobber
said

Canadians are thrilled that Obama is President. I guess the thought was he would represent Canadian interests as well and in effect be the Canadian "President". I said previously that people should not think he is anything other than the President of the United States and will always put Americans and American interests first. Don't forget that, Canada. More to follow. Watch and learn.


Terry in Ottawa
said

If we have to I hope that our Government has the guts to ensure that the US is aware that if they are protectionist and it takes three year to go through the NFTA process, there will be an impact on availability and access to our Oil, natural gas and water to name a short list. This is not the way to go but we have to hold the cards and play them if necessary.


Goldens
said

George Bush wasn't such a bad fellow after all!

John Wilson
Bridgetown NS


David
said

An increase in U.S. protectionism should encourage Canada to develop markets elsewhere, such as the Far East. I am sure they would take our oil and raw materials. I am certain this is only the beginning. This is what the U.S. tried in the Great Depression. The worse the economy got, the more tariff barriers they erected, which succeeded in making the situation even worse. We need our own solutions, and certainly a contingency plan if the Americans foolishly repeat their own folly.


Tim from Calgary
said

I knew this would happen with a Democrat president who would want to bring in protectionism for the US economy. Yet so many Canadians and the media were fawning over Obama and ignoring his comments during the campaign about protecting American jobs. Seems like the love affair for Obama may be ending for those people who were writing all sorts of niceties about him at the expense of Harper.


robert
said

The Republicans lost the last election. They were pro trade. Better for Canada. A lot of Canadians are happy that the Democrats won power lead by Mr. Obama. It brought tears of joy. I wonder if they realized that their super star will not be looking out for Canada’s best interest when it comes to trade. Canada will suffer a longer recover. I hope you continue to admire him while you cash your EI cheque.


R Rasmuson
said

RR
No amount of gov money will help, People will have to live within there means.


Dale
said

Apparently it has been reported "most Canadians" prefer Obama, even against their own politicians.

Well, now we can watch as Obama kills our economy and all those who supported him should have the courage to continue expressing their support.

Come on LIbs and especially NDP, show your support for the leader that seeks to derail all the good trade that has been built between our countries.


Dave OS
said

If they dont want our steel, they shouldn't get our oil. Start selling our resources to China instead, betcha that will get Washington's attention.


From the East
said

NAFTA, in spirit works to assist open trade between Canada and the US. In reality, the US uses NAFAT at it own definition, so long as it supports its position. Case in Point: ITARS. Here is document that on the surface protects US technology from falling into the wrong hands. In reality, it is nothing but a blatant attempt to circumvent NAFTA with protectionist attitudes. Why else would it limitations effect Canadian business so effectively.

Don't be fooled into thinking NAFTA will protect our interests. We will continue to dance to their music until we have the political will to withhold our natural resources to enforce our international trading rights.



Edb
said

Wait a minute. I thought all you Liberals and media hacks worshipped this new messiah. You know, the same crew praising St. Iggy. Now all of a sudden reality is starting to sink in. Wow, that was one quick honeymoon.


Kerry in Calgary
said

There's an easy solution to make the Americans come around. Firmly tell them that they will also have to buy American Oil, natural gas and electricity! It's too bad nobody has the cajones to actually stand up to them with that kind of threat. I believe it's only fair, if Canadian steel and lumber isn't good enough for them, why sell them Canadian oil, natural gas, and electricty?!?!? Doesn't take a genius to figure out the ripple effect such a threat would have on the American economy.


Paul
said

This is why I think that Mr. Harper should be trying to get Canada into the European Union. We can become a gateway between Europe and North America.


Ed i n Alberta
said

Seems to me that the last time this was done by the US we ended up the depression with the second World War.Are we headed down that same path..I hope not


Trent
said

I don't blame the US at all. Good for them.

I think we should do the same in Canada. I don't want our taxpayer dollars supporting China's economy.


G. Gravelle, Ottawa, Ontario
said

Hasn't the Canadian Government being trying to get us to "Buy Canadian" for the past few years?? Looks like there's a double-standard setting itself up.


Walter (Winnipeg)
said

Obama will be walking a very dangerous road with this attitude. I thought he said he'll be reaching out his hand to people that wanted to work with him in the world community.
I travel a fair amount in Asia and Europe and unfortunately there is a fair amount of dislike towards the Americans already.
I always try to have a Canadian pin on my jacket, which helps when travelling abroad.


Two Can Play At This Game
said

Hmmm...

Canada is the largest exporter of natural gas to the U.S. and one of the largest providers of oil. If the U.S. wants to play games with trade, let's do the same and see how long it takes before they realize how much they need us. If they are stupid enouggh to ignore that, let's sell our energy products to others in the world. Hmmm....


Randy
said

So how does everyone like Obama now? I still have high hopes for him, but this wouldn't be a very good first step. History has shown our countries work better when we work together.


Lorne
said

A wake up call for the Canadians who put President Obama on a pedestal.
If you think his policies will be good for Canada, think again!!!!
The U.S will "isolate" itself from the rest of the world eventually and only think about itself.
Count on it!!! It's only a matter of time.


Edwin from Toronto
said

Then, bailing out the Canada auto industries will fail since the car manufactured in Canada cannot be sold to the States.

Or, should Canada voted to be another State of USA.


Socialism is killing us
said

This is funny. During the U.S election, all the Canadian Liberals were for the second coming of Christ. Er I mean Obama. And now that he is proposing the "Buy American", which he was saying all along during the election, the Liberals are all up in arms. You got what you wanted Liberals. This is your dream come true.


Rick in AB
said

Typical American thinking. We are the World attitude and nobody else figures in. 'Oh we had a trade agreement?, well we're not interested today, maybe tomorrow if your lucky'.

This is why NAFTA is such a joke, the Americans do what they want despite binding agreements that are even held up in court. Look at softwood lumber. They lost almost every court decision and Canada still lost billions in revenue to the big corporate shell game and even had to capitulate several points despite them being already in the agreements.

And have you ever noticed that it is usually the Southern states that say to hell with Canada.

I say, to hell with them!! Turn the oil pipelines off and swing them West toward China and India while it's still cold, then let them scream NAFTA. And while we're at it, lets build a few more dams and keep more of our fresh water to ourselves. Let's see who has the resources and who needs them then.


Guaranteed the Americans would have no problem putting boots on our soil to get what they want. Just like they do for oil around the rest of the world.


Matt
said

Now we see what Obama is really made of.
Taking the short sighted and damaging, yet politically popular path of protectionism.

Where is the brilliant and capable leader people were so enamored with? Today we see there isn't much behind that curtain of fancy speeches and a brilliant smile.


ex-Canadian
said

This is a case of "be careful what you wish for." The legions of Canadians who are in love with Obama never bothered to check out what his election meant for their economy and standard of living...el surprise. Trade protectionism and unreserved support for militant trade unions is embedded in the DNA of the US Democratic party. Classic Canadian naivety.


Raj
said

We do have NAFTA for a reason, I sure hope Obama knows that.He is a rookie


Dave, Ottawa
said

To the members of the Canadian chapters of the Barack Obama and Democratic Party Fan Clubs: any comment? Still think they are going to save the world?


Pat_from_Mississauga
said

We have relied on the "private sector" for too long. The private sector is plagued incompetence and corruption. Examples: the US bank boondoggles, Enron, GM and Chrysler, Nortel, Maple Leaf Foods (remember the 20 dead from eating their food!), etc, etc, etc.. No government anywhere in the world is run with these levels of ineptitude. It's time to re-think "capitalism" and "free-enterprise". Just look at China - the most successful economic experiment of all time - run by communists no less! We don't need the private sector to create wealth.


mIKE
said

If the US goes forward with the "Buy American" language in the stimulus bills breaking both existing treaties and international law, then Canada has an obvious action to take.

Immediately halt all exports of oil and natural gas to the US.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ "James":

"The stimulus package is a good start and a good idea from the Democrats. What would really help the economy is when the money starts to circulate within the States. Buying goods such as groceries, clthing, appliances, reconstruction material etc. That is when you will see a recovery in the economy."

We all hope you're right, James. There's no playbook for our current economic plight. The spending measures currently taking shape are highly theoretical. The obvious political battleground is "where" and "how much." Regardless, the resulting debt brings its own consequences.

Unsuccessful big spending and big debt will lead to an economic implosion. I'm cautiously optimistic we (north and south of the 49th Parallel) will get the equation right.


Sarah, ON
said

Mr. Obama, the whole world was rooting for you, including Canada, and the first major thing you do in office is to alienate the rest of the world...not smart, I expected better from you, Time to rethink this "buy America" thing! Sue, you hit the nail on the head...if this goes through...Bring the Canadian Troops home, it's not our war!


Tono
said

There is a third way of preventing ramications against Canada, that has not yet been brought up.

If Canada doesn't get the exemption on the 'Buy American' policy, our own steel industry is going to hit the dirt.

If Canada does get the exemption, all the other big economies of the world are going to sneering at us and possibly prohibiting things like Canadian energy from entering their markets, favouring other sources.

I think Canada should just stop arguing about getting in on this 'Buy American' thing, and simply give our steel industry someone else to sell to. Considering the amount of highrises China is building right now, they would be a good candidate. India and the EU are also possibilities.


Jamie D
said

Obama cannot throw up the protectionist thing. If he were to do so, he would be ignoring a fact that is generally accepted as being the one aggravating factor of the Great Depression. If the American and world leaders didn't put up 'buy local' policies after the Depression, we would more than likely be calling it the Great Recessesion, and not Depression. We will see. Although, any action seems better than what the Conservative plan is: Do anything to retain power, even if it means flushing the counrty down the toilet, or if too many people rabble, then sell out your own conservative seeds and litter a budget with garbage.

Nice country we have here. The Conservatives who rant that they are the purist, are now lost somewhere on the road to Liberalville, and the Liberal's can't even keep thier own financial house in order, and are demanding things from the budget. Sheesh. Elizabeth May? Do you really think you got the necessary stuff to show up these types? Where exactly does one get the stuff to show up these types? I didn't know schools taught BS....


Chad in Edmonton
said

To all the bleeding-heart liberals who wanted "hope": You better "Hope" that Obama doesn't continue down the road of "Buy-America", or you'll be unemployed and very sorry. Next time... don't get dupped by the media and carisma. Think objectively and do your research before you blindly thorw your support behind a politician.


A. Conda
said

The protectionist statement will appease/comfort unemployed US workers but will not be a big impact to Canada. There is only so much protectionism that can happen when Globalization has "naturally" allocated manufacturing to cheap labour countries and distribution to as few suppliers as possible. Canada provides resources the US cannot "manufacture" themselves.


JP in BC from NB
said

The REform ALLINECE PArty will SELL us out-
THE FTA sold us out .
And when i hear people complain about teh Chinese - hey they are the smart one-
Canadian workers want BIG Salaries for Littel Work - We are lazy .



nc
said

Given that the US govt. had a 2 choices. One let the banks fail or bail them out. When past president Bush saw the numbers, he chose to bail out the banks.
Mr. Obama looked at the numbers and he chose to add more money in the pot. Propably because this was the only choice.
Economies are basically houses of cards. This world economy is a huge house of cards that if allowed to crumble, it would take years to rebuild another house of cards.
This is the dilemma we are faced with.


Steve in Fredericton
said

There's a reason it's not called a "Buy North American First" campaign.

The US will do whatever it wants within its boarders to secure the welfare of its people; NAFTA be damned.

The big question is "are we prepared to adopt a But Canadian First" policy in this country to protect our manufacturing and resource industries? I sure hope so.


david
said

i dont know what the panic is...the role of the united states government is to protect their citizens first, just the same as that of the canadian and other governments. not to subsidize the economies of foreign nations whom may or may not be trading partners. what a shock. it is not protectionism, it is reality. or it should be.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

When President Obama comes to Ottawa, will there be protesters out with signs, especially unions, demanding the US buy Canadian steel? Even Putin stated he didn't want to see protectionism by any country, because he knows it doesn't work. The US stimulus package going through the house now is pork payback to Dem party supporters. Recessions are caused by government with their doom and gloom messages. If the first bailout had helped the banks, and the bad assets sold to the private sector for .35 or .36 cents on the dollar, then they could have had a chance to turn their economy around. Instead, they continue to make matters worse, because socialism doesn't work and spreads hardship. What happened to his 95% tax break? Obviously not high on the list now.


Terry S.
said

By this point I don't believe a single thing any Conervative says. By "slightly encouraged" he may mean they told him to go home rather than kicking him is the a** directly. With this sleaze fest of a party running our country we never know what's REALLY going on.


100% Proud Canadian
said

People need to understand that Obama is NOT our president. He's the American's President so he has to look after the best interest of Americans. Now I can understand and respect his need to look after his country, but don't think he should be shutting out other countries. If he prefers to "Buy American" only, then they should be buying EVERYTHING American and we Canadians can keep our steel, oil, water, landfills, hydro, etc... I personally would prefer to buy Canadian since then I know my products come from my own backyard. I wouldn't have to worry about all these pesticides in my food that's coming from other countries, tainted milk, lead in my children's toys, clothes made in sweatshops, etc... By producing and purchasing products made here in Canada, not only will it be made in Canada but made by Canadians, hence creating more jobs for Canadians. So I say let Americans by American and we Canadians by Canadian.


Ronald in Toronto
said

I seem to recall Obama, prior to the election, making some comments about how Protectionism was a catalyst for driving the U.S. from a recession into a Depression in the '30's... and that there was a significant lesson to be learned.

Plus, as president, he has a line-by-line veto capacity for this particular bill when it comes to his desk.

I trust he will remember his acquired lessons.

Plus, I also believe the man is astute enough to avoid triggering understandable retaliatory measures from his trading partners - local and regional lobbying and political pressures notwithstanding.

Further, if he wanta a good seat at a Senators' game.....


Canuck in Bellingham WA
said

There is a reason why Canada should be exempted. The US is unhappy with jobs going to countries that pay people less. Canada pays people more, and has better medical coverage and social problems.

With regards to shutting off the taps for oil and gas, those products can not be sold elsewhere. Not easily. Pipelines that go to the US can not be easily diverted to China.

Now on the other hand, Canada can simply say, "oh did you say you wanted to build a pipeline through Canada ... well, there are a few conditions."

The European Union has been smart enough to open up their borders "to countries that are members". Canada and the US should do the same.


Martin.NS
said

Wasn't it protectionism that made the great depression even worse?

Obama has to realize that the Americans are resource dependent. If they go ahead and say "America first"... we should decide to sell our resources to more free markets.


iggy and the stooges
said

yes, buy american made products like $300 toasters that are proudly union made in ohio or $200 shorts proudly union made in alabama. yeah right.

i was in marks work wearhouse the other day and not a thing in there wasn't made in china. lets see how this works. i can see all the whos in who-ville standing around in a big circle holding hands and singing now


Free trade the American way! Strike one!
said

Well it did not take long to go from a savior to a real danger to Canada steal workers jobs.

This is what happend when you idolized an American President working to stimulate the Amarican economy even if this goes against our Canadian.

Free trade eh, as long as it goes in their favor! The American way!


Rob
said

How many Ontarians are full of Obama fever now.


Alex (Toronto)
said

Protectionism in the United States turned the stock market collapse of 1929 into the Great Depression. Shouldn't be hard to remind people that protectionism kills jobs. Unfortunately our pseudo-Republican government has no credibility in Washington anymore.

Canada can simply threaten to take any procurement bids to court if they violate treaties the United States has ratified. This could delay the whole infrastructure stimulus plan by months or years. They'll have to cave.


KW
said

These "stimulus" packages are a complete joke. I fail to see how they will turn the economy around. Obama is being protectionist because he promised to create 2 million, which became 4 million jobs in the US, but I don't see how he can do it.

Many companies have folded, and with so many people out of work, he has to use the "Buy American" slogan to appease people. Cutting off trade will be worse for them in the long run because countries will retaliate.

We need to get tougher with our resources and ensure that NAFTA is beneficial to us. It"s time for the US to realize that they are not the superpower anymore.

I hoped that Obama would bring some good changes to the world community, but being protectionist isn"t going to do it. And it won" create jobs.

We do not need a "recovery;" we need a new way of doing business.




HA HA HA, TOLD YOU SO
said

Learn some history people. Democrats have always been for big government, protectionism and high taxes.

This is just part one of Obama's multi legged approach. No change, just regular Democrat policies.


Nick in Gatineau
said

'Buy American' is not as stupid as it sounds... for the Americans.

If his plan works and the US does create jobs, it will reduce prices in the USA as long as there are anti-usury laws in place, load up corporate bank accounts, and create a stable underbelly of every sector that establishes growth.

It will break Canada's back as Harper failed to implement contigency plans after the quasi-identical OIL sands resolution passed and signed by the Bush administration aprox. 2 years ago.(same language as the steel resolution in the stimulus package)

Unless those resolutions have the added sentence outling that Canada is exempt due to the NAFTA agreements, all bets are off for Canada.

What it translates to is simple.

Canadian companies will be for sale: CHEAP. And NAFTA will not protect us.

Furthermore, the US can bring up the latest Canadian 'Foreign ownership' laws, as violations of NAFTA. (They have in the past for magazines and a few other things.)

Harper has 1 option and only 1 option: Trade agreements with the BRIC countries. I suggest you book your plane before the end of the week.


George Toro
said

So, what's missing from Canadian parliamentarians is a 'Plan B'!
If Canadian products are banned from any stimulus spending southside .... what American products/services are we going to be targeting for our so-called stimulus spending?
So far I've heard not a peep.
Oh, why don't we just target energy exports, slap a servicing tarrif on energy exports destined for the states, just for fun!



SC in MTL
said

Simple economics:

You make more money selling airplanes than you do from selling steel.
By forcing American Companies to buy steel from US manufactures instead of cheaper foreign steel, the US government is trading away high margins for low margins.

1) It would make the final products (i.e. cars, airplanes, etc.) more expensive.
2) Not buying foreign steel would hurt the economies of steel producing countries meaning they will have less money to buy US finished good like airplanes for example.

Everyone loses!!!



Don
said

I'm shopping for a new car. If the US doesn't change it's position ASAP on "Buy American", I will refuse to by an American product made with exclusively American steel. After all, there are other great "foreign cars" like Honda that are built in Canada that employ many Canadians. Why don't we send our auto subsidies to them instead of the US? Oh, I forgot. They know how to run a car company and don't need our taxpayer bailouts.


Doug BC
said

It makes me wonder if this won't be the beginning of the end for globalization as it is now.
The warm and fuzzy feeling that would come with Canada being exempt from the "Buy America" policy would likely disappear at the list of nations lining up for the same treatment grows.If the say OK to Canadian steel,I doubt they can say no to China.
THis is about politics people.The "stimulas" policies in both countries are seriously flawed,will offer little growth for our economies,and provide very little actual infrastructure by the time the money is gone.
Both packages are filled with "pork" meant to pacify regions,or specific interest groups.It might be easier to sell a real infrastructure plan if it didn't include money for arts,or smoking cessation,or a whole host of social initiatives that will create few jobs.Increasing the national debt for programs like this will prove costly.A bit like increasing your mortgage to buy a new stereo,or go on vacation.They will sway some special interests,but the cost is high.AND,if this idea to "Buy America" is sold as temporary,does anyone else doubt that a corporation is going to invest millions in a steel mill if the program is temporary.Or that the steel made there isn't going to be a lot more expensive for the taxpayers to buy??
One thing is clear.Unlike Canadians,Americans will rally around their country.I am unconvinced leadership knows how to fix this economic debacle.These programs are actually designed to make people think government is on top of the problem,and to "rally the troops" with a false sense of patriatism.
Meanwhile,the hole we are all in gets deeper.


Walt the Duke
said

Hey, Have you people really been fooled by these politicians and corporations??? Do you really thing NAFTA is about Free Trade??. NAFTA is about "Investment Protection" for the Corporations!! Check out MMT when we had to pay ETHYL US $13 Million, apologize and withdraw Federal legislation because they wanted to put it in our gasoline and we said NO!. bIt causes Parkinsons, etc. Obbama is right, Get rid of NAFTA. See "NAFTA Claims"


Ron Preston
said

let them buy American it's a stupid policy and there economy will stay in the dumper.
Canada on the other hand controls most of the US's oil and nat.gas supply and I know we could gladly send oil and nat gas to the EU and Asia.Canada does not need the US to survive and it's time to start moving in the eastern direction.Build that pipleline to the west coast and start the ball rolling


The Liberal-Conservative COALITION at work.
said

USA has no chance.


AE from T.O.
said

sue: your comment is out of place. Canadians may claim to be smart. Truth of the matter is, without the US market Canada is quasi-non existent.
It's not how smart you are that counts, it's how strong, powerful and influential can you be that counts.

To put things in perspective, California State alone has a bigger economy and influence on the world than Canada with all its provinces put together (you can google this info from reliable sources).

if I were American, I'd want the same thing from my gov. Because the stimulus is tax payers money and should benefit tax payers first not international trades ideologists.

On a side not, there were more Canadians following the US presidential race than Canadians that voted in our own election.

There was an unprecedented number of Canadians who travelled to DC for Obama's inauguration like if he were to run our nation. I was disgraced when I saw those morons running after the American marketing propaganda and paying less attention to our own issues.

All those idiots who were cheering up for Obama, please stand up.

PS: The head of the United Steelworkers of America who's lobbying for this 'Buy American' is Canadian.

That tells me a lot about how intelligent and patriotic the citizens of Canada are.

Please someone tells me it's greener than I think!!!



Walter (Winnipeg)
said

Thanks for the nice comments "Canuck in Bellingham WA".
By the way we're already building pipelines to Prince Rupert, British Columbia port for oil export to China.


Bill
said

It's a bit early to jump the gun, isn't it? You would sort of expect a U.S. president to place U.S. interests ahead of Canadian interests. Nonetheless, I have a lot more faith in Obama to try and reach an equitable solution to these trade worries than his predecessor would have.


Linda in Vancouver
said

Canada means nothing to the USA.Our market is so small that we could close our border to their exports and it wouldn't cost them enough for morning coffee.
Long term,if I was an auto worker in Ontario,I'd start upgrading my education right now.Your days in that job are numbered.The only thing the USA wants from us in raw materials.Oil,raw logs,and the like.And,if we get a bit testy,they'll get those somewhere else.
Our search for other markets will make it very clear why Canada should have paid off more debt,lowered taxes,and lowered as many input costs to manufacturers a long time ago.
So here we are again."A dollar short,and a day to late".
And,I might add,a very long list of people lined up here for more "free" social program money.Money that neither Ottawa,or the provinces has.And,if it did have it,they would need it for real economic developement that would yield real jobs making things we can sell,at prices others can afford to pay.
Sadly,we were probably on the right path.We just got on it to late,and didn't move fast enough.The annual cost of servicing our debt would easily pay for the deficits we are about to incur.
Now,all bets are off.Even if this recession ends,there is no assurance that commodity prices will be as high as they were,or that the USA will be open to our exports.
All that remains to be seen is how North Americans react to the lower standards of living that are surely on the way.Get ready to work harder,for a lot less.I doubt any government can alter this reality.


Don from the Mountains
said

I have to agree with the other Don's comments. It is very hard to consider an american based car when the "american steel only" policy is in place. Too bad.


Walt the Duke
said

Thank you "Fron the East" for supporting my position on NAFTA. Nafta was put in By Mulroney and Reagan in the dying days of their terms on office to the detriment of Canadians. It gives the Yanks control over our resources instead of Canadians. Harper is now working in secret with the Yanks on SPP which will give away our water and soverignty to the corporations. Our governments become useless, tools of the corporations.


From the East
said

I don't think shutting off the natural resources is the answer to this issue. That is more like "base ball bat" diplomacy. My suggestion is if the Buy America clause is added in the final bill, than no Iron Ore, or Potash, Nickel ore etc leaves the country in its raw form.

You wanna make it a Buy only American Steel… use your own resources to make it… Oh, and we will also reduce the electrical export by that amount needed to process the steel needed.

We cannot afford to unilaterally shut off exports of natural resources (oil, gas, electricity, lumber etc…) without negatively affecting ourselves. We can, however alter our exports to only finished or semi finished products. This in itself will be a hindrance to our economy, but not a devastating as a complete protectionist shut down.



DJ in Manitoba
said

One thing you can count on is that the USA will do what ever it wants and play by its own rules. Frankly they don't care about anyone else,Canada included!This has been seen time & time again. If it is in their favor they will do it and if not they will not


Canuck in Bellingham WA
said

Walter - Good point. However what I was really trying to say is that most of our infrastructure for exporting is set up for sending things to the States. Its not easy or particularily feasible to redirect those resources.

The US tends to be an obnoxious bully when it comes to being a rading partner. They screw over their friends when convenient (soft wood lumber comes to mind) and then make threats to get those resources that they need (oil, gas and electricity for example).


cindy
said

The U.S. broke the Nafta agreement with our soft lumber dispute and we did nothing. If the push through the buy American policy then Canada needs to stand up for themselves. They want and need our oil and water. They want nuclear plants built in Canada but for the power to be shifted to the U.S. If they break the Nafta agreement our politician need to stop all the exports to the U.S., not take years to try and fight it. That didnt work at all with the soft lumber. And lets not forget that our economic crisis as well as the global economic crisis all originate with the mismanagement in the U.S. Come on people when are we going to take control of Canada's destiny instead of leaving it in the hands of the U.S.


Arnie from Alberta
said

The main problem here is the U.S. congress. However, there is a notable lack of leadership shown by Obama.

Let's compare.
When Ronald Reagan started, he had an idiotic Democrat congress as well. He made up the budget himself (the Whitehouse did) and then went on the air to the American people, explaining its merits and asked the American people to contact their congressmen to pass it.
They did.

Obama, on the other hand didn't put in that effort. He simply told Nancy Pelosi, etc, to make up a bill and send it to him to sign.
The result (tons of wasteful spending and protectionism serving the lobbyists and supporters of these Congressional Democrats) was predictable.

I'm beginning to worry that Obama may turn out to be a weak, spineless president who will be continually pushed around and manipulated by these self-serving bullies in Congress.



Patricia
said

No matter what we do, the world is in a mess and will only get worse before it gets better. The US started its' bunker mentality way back in 2001 right after 911. A trip to the US and a check through the Department of Homeland Security shows how paranoid that the Americans have become...long before now. They are hunkering down for the duration and Canada should concentrate on taking its' business elsewhere such as to Europe. The time we are living in could also give us a good excuse to ban imports from China which are made of junk or poisonous materials. We might also give serious thought to bringing all our troops home from Afghanistan and tell the Yanks they are on their on. Canada should not limply dance to the US's tune.


Mel Beckworth
said

Really Easy....shut off the taps to our oil and natural gas that leaves Canada going to the USA....you want the attention of the politicans...just crank down the heat a bit...


Jake Smith
said

By integrating our industries with the US we have put ourselves at considerable risk. We need to diversify our markets - and this means we need to diversify where we buy our goods as well. Let the US "buy American" - but we should be making an equal effort here in Canada to encourage Canadians to "buy anything but American".


Same old Yankee but with a nice smile!
said

The American way, protect yourself and take full advantage of your trading partner!

He won't be popular for a very longtime, at least outside the USA!






Keith in Brampton
said

I think the Federal government needs to tell the US in no uncertain terms that the "Buy American" clause will be interpreted and accepted as an invocation of the NAFTA escape clause - i.e. the entire agreement will be abrogated.

We don't want another decades-long softwood lumber fiasco; tell them they are either in NAFTA or they aren't; that's their only choices.


MH
said

The longer Obama is president, the more Canadians will appreciate Prime Minister Harper.


Dave in Cornwall
said

With nearly all the northern USA depending on Canadian energy it is very easy to think we are in a position of true power over any legislation the US drafts that does not include this country.

The concern I have (and always have had)is the first sign of Canada flexing it's energy muscle resulting in ANY increased cost or hardship to the American voter will be met by tanks and soldiers crossing the Peace Bridge to "Liberate" us from under the heel of our socialist ways

America will always have an excuse, esp. where oil and gas are concerned...


Bernard Romanycia
said

The Americans are broke and can't service their debt. Their Dollar is getting ready for a big tumble and our so called leaders are busy sucking up to the Yankees. Can you believe their Mad Cow reasoning? Free Trade is Bogus and has not helped what's left of working Canadians.
Patrol the borders and keep the americans out. Buy Canadian first and diversify into other markets. The Stockyard has had it's Day.


Honeymoon is over, same old yankee!
said

Obama is a very good saleman but now we see who he really is.

A yankee that will try to take advantage of his partners by not respecting the agreements that were signed and agreed to.

Can't trust a politician no matter what he says prior the election.

Stop selling our oil to them, they don't deserve it!


Keith in Brampton
said

To G. Gravelle: There's a big difference between encouraging and legislating.

To those sneering at the Obama supporters: I'm betting many of you were in the same camp up to now. Besides - consider the alternative! Did you REALLY want McCain/Palin?

Finally, to those of you suggesting we turn off the taps on oil, gas & electricity: hope you have ready-made markets available for us to switch to; otherwise, Alberta (oil & gas) and Quebec (electricity) will quickly start up their separatist rants again...


Raymond
said

"Immediately halt all exports of oil and natural gas to the US"

...and COMPLETELY gut what's left of the Canadian economy in the process?

Dumb.


MuskyBuck
said

Obama is a liberal.

Day isn't even Conservative, Christian Right Wing Party is more accurate.

There is no common ground on ideology between the US and Canada.

Obama is about innovation, technology and science.

Harper is the exact opposite.

For anyone here to expect a consensus between our two governments, they would have to have rocks in their heads.

And to a greater degree, I'll understand why so many people in this country voted for a staid, 1950's throw back party...especially when it was obvious who would be elected to President in the US.

This meeting between Day and the US administration will be just the first and only one of many meetings that will fail, until Canadians grow up, read, learn and pull their heads from their cozy timewarp and elect a party that can spell progress.


Pittsky
said

... and so the Obama hangover begins.


MAZ in Alberta
said

Protectionism on the part of the US. Wonderful! They started this whole mess and now they want to tell US how the games going to be played?? I guess Alberta will have to shut off the taps for the natural gas and oil being sent to the US.

Once we dig ourselves out of the hole the US has put the world economy in, we really need to develop stronger trade ties with other countries so we have not at their (the USA) mercy when things go bad.


The Delusional One
said

For those who say "stop selling out oil to the Americans" I say think twice before saying this.

If you stop the oil flow to the all mighty US of A, they will come nuke us and take it anyway just like they did in every other corner of this planet. And believe they're fully aware that Iraq had a much tougher army than the Canadian G.I Joes with their water guns and plastic tanks.


Zoinks!!!
said

Gee, never saw this coming! All along "The Golden God" has been on this path that will only hurt Canada, it's economy and workers. For all those who have stars in their eyes for Obama (Obamatrons), wake up. His proposed policies and agenda will only hurt us.


Dave Ingram
said

DAVE MED HAT JOBS FOR CANADIANS. Time to take the millions of dallars the government is handing out and start up those old factories that sit empty across Canada.Textile, clothing and goods that are used dayly. At one time 50 percent in the late 60's and early 70's were made in Canada. Lucky if 10 percent is manufactured today. Time for a change, we haved to push our government into these changes or else we are going to see worse days ahead then the depression of the thirties. Yes the goverment would lose money but at least there would be steady jobs for Canadians instead of throwing money out that has know long term benafit.So much for free trade time to look after ourselves, I'm sure Americans and Chinies come first. Have a Great Day.


S. Miller
said

It's a good thing that the hotheads who post comments to this story are just armchair diplomats instead of the real thing. Knee-jerk reactions such as turning off the energy taps have provoked wars in the past....


Ryan
said

The Americans will exempt us so that we don't retaliate. Sadly many Senators and Congressman don't know how many American goods flow into Canada and how many industries rely on Canadian goods.

This clause will either be dropped entirely OR it will exempt Canada.


AndyL
said

This is just to funny not to comment on. After weeks of reading comments like: I wish we had an Obama, he will be so great, history in the making, I'll travel up to Ottawa to see him when he visits...etc.

Some of you, it seems, just woke up from you daydream and just realized you are Canadian not American. Oh and by the way, now you have also learned the difference between Republican (who want smaller goverment, more trade, free market, less tax and tariffs) as opposed to Democrats who want the exact opposite. 8 years of republican rule was good for Canada. Expect the opposite now now that you have the celebrity rock star president you wanted. Oh I forgot, he is not your president.


Welcome to the new reality
said

Why is everyone so surprised here. Obama said he would unilaterally re-negotiate NAFTA and now he is following through.

Interesting how the new US government is already sticking their collective finger in the eyes of Canadians even before we get the chance to view the messiah himself.


Peter, Hamilton
said

After two weeks, I'm already missing George Bush. A lot of Obama cheerleaders in Canada didn't bother to look at his policies. He has been talking about protectionism since at least 2007, maybe even earlier. And the Liberals are acting as if this is the first that they have heard of it.


Roger T
said

Whats the big deal, just put our own barriers and ban US products. There are other markets we can ship to and do trade with them. The US is running to a halt and is dead broke. They can make all they want cause the American people can't afford to buy within themselves.

Buy Canadian only and tell that to the US.


Kevin in Northern Alberta
said

To all you Canadians that thought Obama was going to be a good guy for the world guess again. He doesn't care about Canada. Wake up and quit watching Oprah.


DCR-Toronto
said

Perhaps people in this country will open their eyes and realize that Obama is not a Canadian. The great saviour is a great threat to the world economy. To support him here, is supporting the demise of some of our own industry. And just so ya know...it was another Democrat (Clinton) who gave credit to all the people who couldnt afford their homes...which caused all this mess. Look it up! Blindnes seems to be catching. Obama is not a friend of Canada and neither are his policys. Wake up lefties!!!


Kevin
said

I almost cannot believe my eyes. Mr. Ignatieff and his party have made many protectionist staements in the past year and now are deriding a foreign government for its own protectionist views. The fact of the matter is PM Harper can only influance Obama so much (and not a whole lot at that). If the U.S.A. does go through with this bill than they will be in obvious violation of the NAFTA and will be taken to international court. Obama and Harper both know this. Lets all wait until Mr. Obama comes to Canada to meet the Mr. Harper and hear what comes from those discussions. Try not to worry about it until then Mr. Ignatief because there is nothing you, the PM or anyone not named Barak Obama can do about it.


CWD
said

Lets shut off oil and natural gas exports to the USA and see how quickly they cry foul. NAFTA is there to protect all.


Doug BC
said

This is obviously a big concern in Canada.It will also be a concern to many businesses in the USA who rely on our small economy to sopport them.It's estimated that about 6 million jobs in the USA are there because of the market in Canada.
This is one of the few times I agree with "Prof Pye Chart".Both of the economic packages presented in our countries are seriously flawed political docoments that will be used for social engineering,with very little real infrastructure built in either country.
That aside,this is hardly an issue that should be used as a partisan stick in our parliament.Obviously both governments have to deal with their respective political realities at the same time as they try to get the economy going.While I have doubts about their economic prowess,the talks between Canada and the USA will require a level of tact and diplomacy.Surely any objective person would recognize the need to quiet negotiations,and carefulk planning.To elevate the spin and the rhetoric now only serves to make an all out trade battle even more likely.
Before we start shooting off at the mouth,we should find out what both parties to this discussion can come up with on their own.There will be plenty of time for name calling,and political games if the dispute lingers on and leaders cannot reconcile our differences.
I sure hope this is not an indication of how this parliament is going to perform for the entire session.


The party is over...
said

Well I guess the critics of Obama were right, and the golden boy's shine didn't last very long.

Well we do have a number of options here. If they want to start stopping trade, we can do the same. They have a lot of interest in our Oil, Water, and Electricity. The key is, we can't be bluffing if we threaten to shut off the lines.

We technically have closer ties to Europe then the U.S. anyway when it comes to culture, maybe we should look at joining the European Union. There are a lot of developing countries new to the EU that would love to have access to our resources.

It's apparent that the U.S. will always only every be concerned about themselves, so perhaps we should too. We are a very strong Country, more so then we give ourselves credit for. There is no reason we can't open up trade with Mexico and South America, as it is the U.S. that blocks us from a lot of trade with them in the first place.


Snoday
said

You haven't seen anything yet, wait until Obama starts charging carbon taxes and our energy costs double, along with everything that gets delivered. With no one working in Canada maybe we could turn it into a living museum and/or national park for the Amuricans to visit.


John P
said

Some countries don't need laws passed to make them buy their own goods. They do it naturally like in Japan. The Japanese buy Japanese (with a few product exceptions like Apple iPhone stuff)
It is a whole different mindset


WestofTheRockies
said

Sure Ryan, Sadly YOU don't know what your talking about.

You obviously know nothing of the same past problems with lumber exports. Did we win that trade war at the hieght of the largest building boom ever. When they needed our lumber more than ever? Absolutely not!

How are we going to retaliate??! By shooting ourselves in the other foot & cutting off the export of oil and other raw goods? It's not like we are the only close source of supply.

What U.S. industries RELY on our goods?

You can't cut-off your largest customer buying 80% of your products and survive.
If we did, no matter what your occupation is, you would be in the bread line faster than you can say OBAMA.

Bet you were one of the Canadians just peeing themselves with joy and adoration when he got elected.





Doug BC
said

HaHa. Now it's those nasty Republicans in the Senate that have a position most favourable to Canada,and we have the spectacle of the anti-American political lefties trying to pin the blame on Harper.I swear the Liberal party doesn't know it's butt from it's elbow.
While we would all like to see the border as open as possible,we have our own forms of protectism here in Canada.So,pot,meet kettle.
And last,those who think Obama can give Canada a lot of exemptions to Canada,you need to know that China is a far bigger concern to the USA economy than Canada ever will be.We're just to ignorant to know that.While it is true that North American jobs went not to Canada,but to China,China is a bigger mrket for Amwerican exports,and a cheaper supply for their imports.
The Democrats in congress will have no hesitation to throw Canada under the bus even if their stimulus plan is,like ours,a thinly veiled excuse to increase spending on a host of social ideas that will do nothing to create wealth,or jobs.
And no,oil producing provinces should not be the whipping boy expected to lose their source of revenue so we can bail out overpaid auto workers who make cars no one wants,or need.Evn though I do agree with "Jim in Edmonton" about the need to invest in the pipelines and ports that would get our resources to other markets.
And,without ridiculous threats of cutting off our energy exports,we could quietly insist tha ANY changes to the FTA would have to come with the removal of the section of that deal that gives the USA "national treatment" for those resources.That is a move that might help us a great deal.Though not now.


mike from bc
said

How about that... the second coming of the messiah's is a protectionist fool. How many people who have been having obamagasms for the last 6 months are happy now? The US administration simply went from incompetent to moronic and the scary part is that most of us actually thought this guy was intelligent.

Hopefully some of us have finally learned that academics and intellectuals are never to be trusted with important jobs!


Linda in Vancouver
said

Funny.People who think we can get other markets very quickly forget a critical fact.Our products are to expensive for most other markets.That is exactly why we needed to embark on a long term plan to reduce our debt,and lower taxes.Since we don't want to work for less money,that's the only way tpo make our products more affordable.
And really.The EU?? You have got to be kidding me if you are suggesting they have any interest in Canada.We may be able to sell them a few things.Maybe some natural gas insurance in case the Russians become to hard to deal with.Oh.I forgot,we don't have the ability to get it there even if it was wanted.And I doubt they'll be shopping for seal skin purses,or even more importantly,letting their troops in Afghanistan actually step into harms way to help out our guys.
We really have a lot of work to do if we want to sell to either Asia,or to the EU.
Frankly,if we need an ally on this planet,the USA is our best option.But we have to guard against their tendency to bully,and insist on being in charge of everything,all of the time.
And we need less debt,less tax,more productivity,and a serious move towards living with our means.
And no,"James".Your idea to "forgive all debt" is not a solution.That is what started the whole problem in the first place.American banks lending mortgage money to people who couldn't pay it back.Now,no one with money want to lead it out because they fear they won't get it back. It's sasvers and lenders we want to ecourage.Not borrowers and freeloaders.


spaz
said

Simple Solution....Cut off Oil and Gas exports to the US...

Russia did it and got everybody's attention.....and quickly


Mitch
said

Any economist will tell you that protectionism will ALWAYS ALWAYS leave a country worse off economically than with free trade. What protectionism does do is redistribute wealth, at a cost to total production output. In this case, Obama is taking money from Canadians and the american public and giving it to american captains of industry. How can any canadian support this? Get over Obama and smarten up. Its also poor economic for America itself, because in the long run, eventually the tarrifs will disappear and the industry will be just as uncompetitive, or american taxpayers will foot the bill until infinity to support their industry. Wake up, this is Statist economics and the Soviet Union made it very clear that it does not work.


Tokyo Ex-Pat
said

Finally, the Conservitites have an issue that can deflect all the bad press that is falling at the doorstep of the PMO's office.

Too bad that Obama is an educated man, and will more than likely find a solution, sooner than later, that is amicably acceptable to both nations, and we can get back to our internal disaster. Enjoy the vacation Steve.


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