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Date: Mon. Feb. 2 2009 6:39 PM ET
Opposition members prodded the Conservative government Monday over their handling of Canada's concerns that a contentious U.S. bill could cripple cross-border trade.
The early part of Monday afternoon's question period in the House of Commons centred on a controversial "Buy American" clause that be may appended to a US$880 billion stimulus bill working its way through the U.S. Senate.
It's a provision could potentially keep Canadian steel products out of the U.S.
On Monday, International Trade Minister Stockwell Day warned Parliament that it appears that the "Buy American" clause could become even more worrisome for the Canadian economy than originally thought.
Day said "a last minute entry into the legislation in this particular clause that's before their Senate right now, takes it further than just steel or just iron products, but it could go across the board to many other products."
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff told the House of Commons that Canadians "want the legislation to be changed" and he asked the government what it was doing to "protect Canadian jobs from American protectionism."
Day said it was not only Canada that would be affected by the "Buy American" provision, but other U.S. trading partners as well. The minister said the Canadian government would continue to lobby their American counterparts.
"We are going to continue to make our concerns known, we will continue to put forward possible solutions and I believe that we will find a solution if we continue," Day said in French.
2,000 jobs at risk in Quebec
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe said the proposed U.S. legislation "contains a protectionist clause that would contravene WTO and NAFTA rules and would cause the loss of 2,000 jobs in Quebec."
He said it is possible that the bill could be passed into law before the prime minister has a chance to meet face-to-face with President Barack Obama on Feb. 19, when the U.S. president will visit Canada.
"Will the prime minister undertake to call President Obama as quickly as possible and ask him to change the clause which could avoid a lengthy legal battle, as was the case with softwood lumber," Duceppe asked in French.
Day told Duceppe that is "exactly" the route that the Canadian government intends to take.
"We would like to find a solution before the president visits Canada," said Day.
Day 'slightly encouraged' about talks with U.S.
On the weekend, Day met with U.S. economic envoy Peter Allgeier at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
He said he made Canada's position clear to Allgeier, but came away from the meeting with little more than a hint of reassurance that Canada would be exempted from the measure.
"I was slightly encouraged -- and I say slightly because it's a very serious issue with no guarantees that we will come out with what we want here," Day told CTV's Canada AM.
"He said he had been following closely our position, he had been following what the prime minister said last week in the House of Commons and he'd been following what I have been saying."
Day said Obama's administration appears to be taking the issue seriously, but is making no promises that the end result will be in Canada's favour.
He described the amendment as a "protectionist barrier" that could result in retaliatory trade wars that would hurt all the players involved.
"We certainly are making it very clear that if certain actions go forward a certain way, that's going to have negative consequences. We think it can be avoided and we hope he agrees with us."
John Curtis, from the Centre for International Governance Innovation, said Canada was exempted from tough international trade policies in 1962 and 1971, but such measures are not common.
"These are tough times and the U.S. has said it needs to look after national interests," Curtis said.
He added that the proposed amendment to the bill violates both the spirit and the law of NAFTA, but enforcing that law would require years of legal wrangling.
James Blanchard, a former U.S. ambassador to Canada, said Monday that it appears to be unlikely that the "Buy American" clause would hamper Canadian business.
"If we have purchasing agreements, contractual agreements with countries where we agree to buy each other's goods and services, they are apparently not affected," he told CTV's Power Play from Washington.
"My guess is this is going to get all worked out and it won't affect Canada or our normal trading partners," he added.
Stimulus package before Senate
Meanwhile, the controversial stimulus package was to go before the Senate on Monday, but was expected to be a tough sell with strong feelings on both sides of the argument.
Not a single Republican voted in favour of the stimulus package when it passed the Democrat-controlled House of Representatives last Wednesday.
Most Republicans say the bill -- which contains a contentious "Buy American" clause -- is too heavy on spending and too light on tax cuts.
Obama said he has worked hard to reach out to Republicans and listen to their ideas, and is "confident we're going to get it passed."
The bill earmarks some $544 billion for government spending and $275 billion for individual and business tax cuts. It includes infrastructure money for highways and mass transit and spending on unemployment benefits, health care and food stamp increases.
But Republican Senator Jeff Sessions has been questioning why the bill is short on spending for infrastructure projects -- one of many changes that are possible as senators work to amend the measure.
Obama and U.S. Vice-President Joe Biden were scheduled to meet with congressional leaders on Monday to try working out a deal. Obama has signalled he is willing to twist arms, or negotiate, as necessary.
Democrats have also voiced concerns about the massive bill.
Nebraska Senator Ben Nelson, a Democrat, told CNN's State of the Union that it is unclear if some of the investment elements in the bill will actually create jobs.
"I like parts of it that are based on infrastructure, which I think truly will create jobs," he said Sunday.
But he said there's "an awful lot" of spending initiatives including in the bill that are only "marginally supportive and stimulative for jobs."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Chris Johnson from Barrie, ON
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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It will be interesting to see, in the U.S. and Canada, how inefficiently and ineffectively our government bureaucracies dispense outgoing funds. Oversight and progress reporting will be fundamentally key.
Moreover, the fun will begin when programs are necessarily cut back after the conclusion of their uselessness or lifespan. Watch the crying from the varied recipients on the dole.
sue
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Oscar the realist in Ottawa
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Anyway, an unfortunate aspect of this bulk spending is the fact there will always be those who siphon off cash for their own businesses (a la sponsorship scandal) as the volume of money being spent seems to be less regulated. I think the Canadian budget has more controls in place than the US could ever hope to have given it’s only 1/10th of their proposed spending.
As for a "buy American" clause, if you didn't see that coming, you should get your eyes checked, it's unfortunate that a group of people, hopefully educated in economics, fail to see that to spur on the world economy you have to allow the cash to flow around the world, not just in your little sphere. In the end, this is a cyclic problem, the rich financial entities will go back to their own ways and we or our children will see a similar fate in their lifetimes. If you think different, why have the major banks in Canada not adjusted their lending rates when the BOC changes theirs or the cost of gas fallen into line with the price of a barrel of oil?
James in New Brunswick
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The world economy is a house of cards based on conspicuous consumption of goods and services. Of real concern is the fact that much of this consumption is being done with CREDIT rather than CASH.
If you think things are bad now, just wait until consumers start defaulting on their credit card debt. If even 10% of credit card debt is defaulted, the world as an economic entity is going to have a very hard time.
Nolan
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James
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Roger T
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Spending billions on war while the economy is sinking into a depression isn't gonna help it recover.
Kevin
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CD
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James
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There is no way that Americans can produce all that they consume. Hence, they may be some short term trade pain for long term economic growth.
Canadians needs to use this time to re-negotiate NAFTA to be more equitable and for dispute settlement mechanisms have more force. No more soft wood lumber debacles that make a mockery out of the current agreement.
And by the way; FORGIVE ALL DEBT!!
J.C.
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On the other hand, what do they mean by America? there is North America (which includes Canada and the US), and there is South America.Which "America" are they referring to? Or do they mean both?
Joe MacP
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Laz in Finance
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Jim in Edmonton
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iphoneu
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simon
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If that was the case, then they would also have to stop buying Canadian Oil.
And that, my friend, would not be at all possible.
Americans are addicted to oil!!!
Sahib Reginawale
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bob - wpg
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Where were these same republicans when Dubya was borrowing billions to pay for his wars, providing loans and loan guarantees to Wall Street and the big banks, and giving out corporate welfare, in the form of tax cuts, to his CEO buddies?
Oh right --- they were out giving speaches to their constituents warning them of the tax and spend Democrats and the evils of socialism.
Is it only the rest of the world that can see the hyprocrisy?
Roadrobber
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Terry in Ottawa
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Goldens
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John Wilson
Bridgetown NS
David
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Tim from Calgary
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robert
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R Rasmuson
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No amount of gov money will help, People will have to live within there means.
Dale
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Well, now we can watch as Obama kills our economy and all those who supported him should have the courage to continue expressing their support.
Come on LIbs and especially NDP, show your support for the leader that seeks to derail all the good trade that has been built between our countries.
Dave OS
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From the East
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Don't be fooled into thinking NAFTA will protect our interests. We will continue to dance to their music until we have the political will to withhold our natural resources to enforce our international trading rights.
Edb
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Kerry in Calgary
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Paul
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Ed i n Alberta
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Trent
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I think we should do the same in Canada. I don't want our taxpayer dollars supporting China's economy.
G. Gravelle, Ottawa, Ontario
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Walter (Winnipeg)
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I travel a fair amount in Asia and Europe and unfortunately there is a fair amount of dislike towards the Americans already.
I always try to have a Canadian pin on my jacket, which helps when travelling abroad.
Two Can Play At This Game
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Canada is the largest exporter of natural gas to the U.S. and one of the largest providers of oil. If the U.S. wants to play games with trade, let's do the same and see how long it takes before they realize how much they need us. If they are stupid enouggh to ignore that, let's sell our energy products to others in the world. Hmmm....
Randy
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Lorne
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If you think his policies will be good for Canada, think again!!!!
The U.S will "isolate" itself from the rest of the world eventually and only think about itself.
Count on it!!! It's only a matter of time.
Edwin from Toronto
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Or, should Canada voted to be another State of USA.
Socialism is killing us
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Rick in AB
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This is why NAFTA is such a joke, the Americans do what they want despite binding agreements that are even held up in court. Look at softwood lumber. They lost almost every court decision and Canada still lost billions in revenue to the big corporate shell game and even had to capitulate several points despite them being already in the agreements.
And have you ever noticed that it is usually the Southern states that say to hell with Canada.
I say, to hell with them!! Turn the oil pipelines off and swing them West toward China and India while it's still cold, then let them scream NAFTA. And while we're at it, lets build a few more dams and keep more of our fresh water to ourselves. Let's see who has the resources and who needs them then.
Guaranteed the Americans would have no problem putting boots on our soil to get what they want. Just like they do for oil around the rest of the world.
Matt
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Taking the short sighted and damaging, yet politically popular path of protectionism.
Where is the brilliant and capable leader people were so enamored with? Today we see there isn't much behind that curtain of fancy speeches and a brilliant smile.
ex-Canadian
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Raj
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Dave, Ottawa
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Pat_from_Mississauga
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mIKE
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Immediately halt all exports of oil and natural gas to the US.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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"The stimulus package is a good start and a good idea from the Democrats. What would really help the economy is when the money starts to circulate within the States. Buying goods such as groceries, clthing, appliances, reconstruction material etc. That is when you will see a recovery in the economy."
We all hope you're right, James. There's no playbook for our current economic plight. The spending measures currently taking shape are highly theoretical. The obvious political battleground is "where" and "how much." Regardless, the resulting debt brings its own consequences.
Unsuccessful big spending and big debt will lead to an economic implosion. I'm cautiously optimistic we (north and south of the 49th Parallel) will get the equation right.
Sarah, ON
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Tono
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If Canada doesn't get the exemption on the 'Buy American' policy, our own steel industry is going to hit the dirt.
If Canada does get the exemption, all the other big economies of the world are going to sneering at us and possibly prohibiting things like Canadian energy from entering their markets, favouring other sources.
I think Canada should just stop arguing about getting in on this 'Buy American' thing, and simply give our steel industry someone else to sell to. Considering the amount of highrises China is building right now, they would be a good candidate. India and the EU are also possibilities.
Jamie D
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Nice country we have here. The Conservatives who rant that they are the purist, are now lost somewhere on the road to Liberalville, and the Liberal's can't even keep thier own financial house in order, and are demanding things from the budget. Sheesh. Elizabeth May? Do you really think you got the necessary stuff to show up these types? Where exactly does one get the stuff to show up these types? I didn't know schools taught BS....
Chad in Edmonton
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A. Conda
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JP in BC from NB
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THE FTA sold us out .
And when i hear people complain about teh Chinese - hey they are the smart one-
Canadian workers want BIG Salaries for Littel Work - We are lazy .
nc
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Mr. Obama looked at the numbers and he chose to add more money in the pot. Propably because this was the only choice.
Economies are basically houses of cards. This world economy is a huge house of cards that if allowed to crumble, it would take years to rebuild another house of cards.
This is the dilemma we are faced with.
Steve in Fredericton
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The US will do whatever it wants within its boarders to secure the welfare of its people; NAFTA be damned.
The big question is "are we prepared to adopt a But Canadian First" policy in this country to protect our manufacturing and resource industries? I sure hope so.
david
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Gail (Hamilton)
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Terry S.
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100% Proud Canadian
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Ronald in Toronto
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Plus, as president, he has a line-by-line veto capacity for this particular bill when it comes to his desk.
I trust he will remember his acquired lessons.
Plus, I also believe the man is astute enough to avoid triggering understandable retaliatory measures from his trading partners - local and regional lobbying and political pressures notwithstanding.
Further, if he wanta a good seat at a Senators' game.....
Canuck in Bellingham WA
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With regards to shutting off the taps for oil and gas, those products can not be sold elsewhere. Not easily. Pipelines that go to the US can not be easily diverted to China.
Now on the other hand, Canada can simply say, "oh did you say you wanted to build a pipeline through Canada ... well, there are a few conditions."
The European Union has been smart enough to open up their borders "to countries that are members". Canada and the US should do the same.
Martin.NS
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Obama has to realize that the Americans are resource dependent. If they go ahead and say "America first"... we should decide to sell our resources to more free markets.
iggy and the stooges
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i was in marks work wearhouse the other day and not a thing in there wasn't made in china. lets see how this works. i can see all the whos in who-ville standing around in a big circle holding hands and singing now
Free trade the American way! Strike one!
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This is what happend when you idolized an American President working to stimulate the Amarican economy even if this goes against our Canadian.
Free trade eh, as long as it goes in their favor! The American way!
Rob
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Alex (Toronto)
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Canada can simply threaten to take any procurement bids to court if they violate treaties the United States has ratified. This could delay the whole infrastructure stimulus plan by months or years. They'll have to cave.
KW
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Many companies have folded, and with so many people out of work, he has to use the "Buy American" slogan to appease people. Cutting off trade will be worse for them in the long run because countries will retaliate.
We need to get tougher with our resources and ensure that NAFTA is beneficial to us. It"s time for the US to realize that they are not the superpower anymore.
I hoped that Obama would bring some good changes to the world community, but being protectionist isn"t going to do it. And it won" create jobs.
We do not need a "recovery;" we need a new way of doing business.
HA HA HA, TOLD YOU SO
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This is just part one of Obama's multi legged approach. No change, just regular Democrat policies.
Nick in Gatineau
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If his plan works and the US does create jobs, it will reduce prices in the USA as long as there are anti-usury laws in place, load up corporate bank accounts, and create a stable underbelly of every sector that establishes growth.
It will break Canada's back as Harper failed to implement contigency plans after the quasi-identical OIL sands resolution passed and signed by the Bush administration aprox. 2 years ago.(same language as the steel resolution in the stimulus package)
Unless those resolutions have the added sentence outling that Canada is exempt due to the NAFTA agreements, all bets are off for Canada.
What it translates to is simple.
Canadian companies will be for sale: CHEAP. And NAFTA will not protect us.
Furthermore, the US can bring up the latest Canadian 'Foreign ownership' laws, as violations of NAFTA. (They have in the past for magazines and a few other things.)
Harper has 1 option and only 1 option: Trade agreements with the BRIC countries. I suggest you book your plane before the end of the week.
George Toro
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If Canadian products are banned from any stimulus spending southside .... what American products/services are we going to be targeting for our so-called stimulus spending?
So far I've heard not a peep.
Oh, why don't we just target energy exports, slap a servicing tarrif on energy exports destined for the states, just for fun!
SC in MTL
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You make more money selling airplanes than you do from selling steel.
By forcing American Companies to buy steel from US manufactures instead of cheaper foreign steel, the US government is trading away high margins for low margins.
1) It would make the final products (i.e. cars, airplanes, etc.) more expensive.
2) Not buying foreign steel would hurt the economies of steel producing countries meaning they will have less money to buy US finished good like airplanes for example.
Everyone loses!!!
Don
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Doug BC
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The warm and fuzzy feeling that would come with Canada being exempt from the "Buy America" policy would likely disappear at the list of nations lining up for the same treatment grows.If the say OK to Canadian steel,I doubt they can say no to China.
THis is about politics people.The "stimulas" policies in both countries are seriously flawed,will offer little growth for our economies,and provide very little actual infrastructure by the time the money is gone.
Both packages are filled with "pork" meant to pacify regions,or specific interest groups.It might be easier to sell a real infrastructure plan if it didn't include money for arts,or smoking cessation,or a whole host of social initiatives that will create few jobs.Increasing the national debt for programs like this will prove costly.A bit like increasing your mortgage to buy a new stereo,or go on vacation.They will sway some special interests,but the cost is high.AND,if this idea to "Buy America" is sold as temporary,does anyone else doubt that a corporation is going to invest millions in a steel mill if the program is temporary.Or that the steel made there isn't going to be a lot more expensive for the taxpayers to buy??
One thing is clear.Unlike Canadians,Americans will rally around their country.I am unconvinced leadership knows how to fix this economic debacle.These programs are actually designed to make people think government is on top of the problem,and to "rally the troops" with a false sense of patriatism.
Meanwhile,the hole we are all in gets deeper.
Walt the Duke
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Ron Preston
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Canada on the other hand controls most of the US's oil and nat.gas supply and I know we could gladly send oil and nat gas to the EU and Asia.Canada does not need the US to survive and it's time to start moving in the eastern direction.Build that pipleline to the west coast and start the ball rolling
The Liberal-Conservative COALITION at work.
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AE from T.O.
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It's not how smart you are that counts, it's how strong, powerful and influential can you be that counts.
To put things in perspective, California State alone has a bigger economy and influence on the world than Canada with all its provinces put together (you can google this info from reliable sources).
if I were American, I'd want the same thing from my gov. Because the stimulus is tax payers money and should benefit tax payers first not international trades ideologists.
On a side not, there were more Canadians following the US presidential race than Canadians that voted in our own election.
There was an unprecedented number of Canadians who travelled to DC for Obama's inauguration like if he were to run our nation. I was disgraced when I saw those morons running after the American marketing propaganda and paying less attention to our own issues.
All those idiots who were cheering up for Obama, please stand up.
PS: The head of the United Steelworkers of America who's lobbying for this 'Buy American' is Canadian.
That tells me a lot about how intelligent and patriotic the citizens of Canada are.
Please someone tells me it's greener than I think!!!
Walter (Winnipeg)
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By the way we're already building pipelines to Prince Rupert, British Columbia port for oil export to China.
Bill
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Linda in Vancouver
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Long term,if I was an auto worker in Ontario,I'd start upgrading my education right now.Your days in that job are numbered.The only thing the USA wants from us in raw materials.Oil,raw logs,and the like.And,if we get a bit testy,they'll get those somewhere else.
Our search for other markets will make it very clear why Canada should have paid off more debt,lowered taxes,and lowered as many input costs to manufacturers a long time ago.
So here we are again."A dollar short,and a day to late".
And,I might add,a very long list of people lined up here for more "free" social program money.Money that neither Ottawa,or the provinces has.And,if it did have it,they would need it for real economic developement that would yield real jobs making things we can sell,at prices others can afford to pay.
Sadly,we were probably on the right path.We just got on it to late,and didn't move fast enough.The annual cost of servicing our debt would easily pay for the deficits we are about to incur.
Now,all bets are off.Even if this recession ends,there is no assurance that commodity prices will be as high as they were,or that the USA will be open to our exports.
All that remains to be seen is how North Americans react to the lower standards of living that are surely on the way.Get ready to work harder,for a lot less.I doubt any government can alter this reality.
Don from the Mountains
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Walt the Duke
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From the East
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You wanna make it a Buy only American Steel… use your own resources to make it… Oh, and we will also reduce the electrical export by that amount needed to process the steel needed.
We cannot afford to unilaterally shut off exports of natural resources (oil, gas, electricity, lumber etc…) without negatively affecting ourselves. We can, however alter our exports to only finished or semi finished products. This in itself will be a hindrance to our economy, but not a devastating as a complete protectionist shut down.
DJ in Manitoba
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Canuck in Bellingham WA
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The US tends to be an obnoxious bully when it comes to being a rading partner. They screw over their friends when convenient (soft wood lumber comes to mind) and then make threats to get those resources that they need (oil, gas and electricity for example).
cindy
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Arnie from Alberta
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Let's compare.
When Ronald Reagan started, he had an idiotic Democrat congress as well. He made up the budget himself (the Whitehouse did) and then went on the air to the American people, explaining its merits and asked the American people to contact their congressmen to pass it.
They did.
Obama, on the other hand didn't put in that effort. He simply told Nancy Pelosi, etc, to make up a bill and send it to him to sign.
The result (tons of wasteful spending and protectionism serving the lobbyists and supporters of these Congressional Democrats) was predictable.
I'm beginning to worry that Obama may turn out to be a weak, spineless president who will be continually pushed around and manipulated by these self-serving bullies in Congress.
Patricia
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Mel Beckworth
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Jake Smith
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Same old Yankee but with a nice smile!
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He won't be popular for a very longtime, at least outside the USA!
Keith in Brampton
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We don't want another decades-long softwood lumber fiasco; tell them they are either in NAFTA or they aren't; that's their only choices.
MH
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Dave in Cornwall
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The concern I have (and always have had)is the first sign of Canada flexing it's energy muscle resulting in ANY increased cost or hardship to the American voter will be met by tanks and soldiers crossing the Peace Bridge to "Liberate" us from under the heel of our socialist ways
America will always have an excuse, esp. where oil and gas are concerned...
Bernard Romanycia
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Patrol the borders and keep the americans out. Buy Canadian first and diversify into other markets. The Stockyard has had it's Day.
Honeymoon is over, same old yankee!
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A yankee that will try to take advantage of his partners by not respecting the agreements that were signed and agreed to.
Can't trust a politician no matter what he says prior the election.
Stop selling our oil to them, they don't deserve it!
Keith in Brampton
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To those sneering at the Obama supporters: I'm betting many of you were in the same camp up to now. Besides - consider the alternative! Did you REALLY want McCain/Palin?
Finally, to those of you suggesting we turn off the taps on oil, gas & electricity: hope you have ready-made markets available for us to switch to; otherwise, Alberta (oil & gas) and Quebec (electricity) will quickly start up their separatist rants again...
Raymond
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...and COMPLETELY gut what's left of the Canadian economy in the process?
Dumb.
MuskyBuck
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Day isn't even Conservative, Christian Right Wing Party is more accurate.
There is no common ground on ideology between the US and Canada.
Obama is about innovation, technology and science.
Harper is the exact opposite.
For anyone here to expect a consensus between our two governments, they would have to have rocks in their heads.
And to a greater degree, I'll understand why so many people in this country voted for a staid, 1950's throw back party...especially when it was obvious who would be elected to President in the US.
This meeting between Day and the US administration will be just the first and only one of many meetings that will fail, until Canadians grow up, read, learn and pull their heads from their cozy timewarp and elect a party that can spell progress.
Pittsky
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MAZ in Alberta
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Once we dig ourselves out of the hole the US has put the world economy in, we really need to develop stronger trade ties with other countries so we have not at their (the USA) mercy when things go bad.
The Delusional One
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If you stop the oil flow to the all mighty US of A, they will come nuke us and take it anyway just like they did in every other corner of this planet. And believe they're fully aware that Iraq had a much tougher army than the Canadian G.I Joes with their water guns and plastic tanks.
Zoinks!!!
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Dave Ingram
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S. Miller
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Ryan
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This clause will either be dropped entirely OR it will exempt Canada.
AndyL
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Some of you, it seems, just woke up from you daydream and just realized you are Canadian not American. Oh and by the way, now you have also learned the difference between Republican (who want smaller goverment, more trade, free market, less tax and tariffs) as opposed to Democrats who want the exact opposite. 8 years of republican rule was good for Canada. Expect the opposite now now that you have the celebrity rock star president you wanted. Oh I forgot, he is not your president.
Welcome to the new reality
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Interesting how the new US government is already sticking their collective finger in the eyes of Canadians even before we get the chance to view the messiah himself.
Peter, Hamilton
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Roger T
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Buy Canadian only and tell that to the US.
Kevin in Northern Alberta
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DCR-Toronto
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Kevin
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CWD
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Doug BC
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This is one of the few times I agree with "Prof Pye Chart".Both of the economic packages presented in our countries are seriously flawed political docoments that will be used for social engineering,with very little real infrastructure built in either country.
That aside,this is hardly an issue that should be used as a partisan stick in our parliament.Obviously both governments have to deal with their respective political realities at the same time as they try to get the economy going.While I have doubts about their economic prowess,the talks between Canada and the USA will require a level of tact and diplomacy.Surely any objective person would recognize the need to quiet negotiations,and carefulk planning.To elevate the spin and the rhetoric now only serves to make an all out trade battle even more likely.
Before we start shooting off at the mouth,we should find out what both parties to this discussion can come up with on their own.There will be plenty of time for name calling,and political games if the dispute lingers on and leaders cannot reconcile our differences.
I sure hope this is not an indication of how this parliament is going to perform for the entire session.
The party is over...
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Well we do have a number of options here. If they want to start stopping trade, we can do the same. They have a lot of interest in our Oil, Water, and Electricity. The key is, we can't be bluffing if we threaten to shut off the lines.
We technically have closer ties to Europe then the U.S. anyway when it comes to culture, maybe we should look at joining the European Union. There are a lot of developing countries new to the EU that would love to have access to our resources.
It's apparent that the U.S. will always only every be concerned about themselves, so perhaps we should too. We are a very strong Country, more so then we give ourselves credit for. There is no reason we can't open up trade with Mexico and South America, as it is the U.S. that blocks us from a lot of trade with them in the first place.
Snoday
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John P
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It is a whole different mindset
WestofTheRockies
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You obviously know nothing of the same past problems with lumber exports. Did we win that trade war at the hieght of the largest building boom ever. When they needed our lumber more than ever? Absolutely not!
How are we going to retaliate??! By shooting ourselves in the other foot & cutting off the export of oil and other raw goods? It's not like we are the only close source of supply.
What U.S. industries RELY on our goods?
You can't cut-off your largest customer buying 80% of your products and survive.
If we did, no matter what your occupation is, you would be in the bread line faster than you can say OBAMA.
Bet you were one of the Canadians just peeing themselves with joy and adoration when he got elected.
Doug BC
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While we would all like to see the border as open as possible,we have our own forms of protectism here in Canada.So,pot,meet kettle.
And last,those who think Obama can give Canada a lot of exemptions to Canada,you need to know that China is a far bigger concern to the USA economy than Canada ever will be.We're just to ignorant to know that.While it is true that North American jobs went not to Canada,but to China,China is a bigger mrket for Amwerican exports,and a cheaper supply for their imports.
The Democrats in congress will have no hesitation to throw Canada under the bus even if their stimulus plan is,like ours,a thinly veiled excuse to increase spending on a host of social ideas that will do nothing to create wealth,or jobs.
And no,oil producing provinces should not be the whipping boy expected to lose their source of revenue so we can bail out overpaid auto workers who make cars no one wants,or need.Evn though I do agree with "Jim in Edmonton" about the need to invest in the pipelines and ports that would get our resources to other markets.
And,without ridiculous threats of cutting off our energy exports,we could quietly insist tha ANY changes to the FTA would have to come with the removal of the section of that deal that gives the USA "national treatment" for those resources.That is a move that might help us a great deal.Though not now.
mike from bc
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Hopefully some of us have finally learned that academics and intellectuals are never to be trusted with important jobs!
Linda in Vancouver
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And really.The EU?? You have got to be kidding me if you are suggesting they have any interest in Canada.We may be able to sell them a few things.Maybe some natural gas insurance in case the Russians become to hard to deal with.Oh.I forgot,we don't have the ability to get it there even if it was wanted.And I doubt they'll be shopping for seal skin purses,or even more importantly,letting their troops in Afghanistan actually step into harms way to help out our guys.
We really have a lot of work to do if we want to sell to either Asia,or to the EU.
Frankly,if we need an ally on this planet,the USA is our best option.But we have to guard against their tendency to bully,and insist on being in charge of everything,all of the time.
And we need less debt,less tax,more productivity,and a serious move towards living with our means.
And no,"James".Your idea to "forgive all debt" is not a solution.That is what started the whole problem in the first place.American banks lending mortgage money to people who couldn't pay it back.Now,no one with money want to lead it out because they fear they won't get it back. It's sasvers and lenders we want to ecourage.Not borrowers and freeloaders.
spaz
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Russia did it and got everybody's attention.....and quickly
Mitch
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Tokyo Ex-Pat
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Too bad that Obama is an educated man, and will more than likely find a solution, sooner than later, that is amicably acceptable to both nations, and we can get back to our internal disaster. Enjoy the vacation Steve.