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Date: Sun. Feb. 1 2009 2:37 PM ET

Core supporters of Canada's Conservative party are riled up about the budget handed down by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government and some believe he has strayed from his principles, says a former party strategist.

Tom Flanagan, a professor and former Conservative campaign manager, said Sunday that these supporters are angry that the prime minister authorized a budget that will see his country plunge into an $85 billion deficit over the next five years.

"I am getting more people e-mailing me and commenting to me on this than I ever had by far on any other issue," Flanagan told CTV's Question Period on Sunday.

"I do think there is a problem among Conservative core supporters...I think many of them they don't like the budget and I guess I would believe that Mr. Harper has to do some things to reassure these people that his direction is still fundamentally Conservative."

Tasha Kheiriddin, director of the Fraser Institute's Montreal office, told Question Period that she has been hearing many of the same rumblings from the Conservative community.

"People are upset," she said.

"I think it's definitely a feeling of betrayal in the sense that this budget has very few Conservative principles in it," she added.

"The tax cuts are buried far in the fine print and the spending is very, very lavish to the point where the Liberals didn't even ask for more, so that kind of tells you that Mr. Harper really sold the store on this one."

Kheiriddin suggested Harper has painted himself into a corner by further agreeing to a Liberal request for the government to provide frequent updates to Parliament on the status of the budget.

"Mr. Ignatieff has been very clever in asking for this type of report card every three or four months to see how the government is doing," she said.

"And when he gets a bad report card, as he inevitably will, he will at some point just hold hold it up and say: 'Time for an election, folks. This hasn't worked.' And Mr. Harper will have no leg to stand on because he will have to defend this budget that he put forward that will not have worked."

Flanagan said the prime minister had few options but to go forward as he did when opposition members demanded that he include serious spending in his budget, or he would face the prospect of being voted down in Parliament.

"Given the political jam he was in, which was at least partially his own creation, I don't think he had a whole lot of choice," he said.

In order to win back his Conservative base, the prime minister may choose to woo them through non-financial means, Flanagan said.

"I think this is a done deal, it can't be undone," he said, referring to the contentious budget.

"So that's why I'm suggesting Mr. Harper has to move on to other policies, perhaps outside the budget, things like criminal justice where he can make some accomplishments that the Conservative core supporters will appreciate."

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John
said

Harper has abandoned any shred of principles he had. He set fixed election dates only to break his own law because he saw a political opportunity. Only a few months ago he mocked those who suggested (pre-budget) that his current budget was heading for the red. They were right by over a billion dollars. I think the smoke alarms at 24 Sussex Drive are going off because somebody's pants are on fire.


Layton in NB
said

Stephen Harper has principals? Wow...who knew?


Niagara George
said

The problem for the Harper's fiscally conservative supporters is that they thought Harper would be true to the ideology he has preached for many years.

The recent events have shown us all that he is very willing to give up those ideals in times of crisis.
There can only be two possible explanations for why he and his sidekick Flaherty would do that.

One option is that he knows, in his heart, those policies do not work. If they don't work, he has to follow the Liberal model and attempt to spend us out of trouble.

The other option is that he has never really been a fiscal conservative. He has only preached the message he thought would get him elected. Now when he is desperate to cling to power, and the polls tell him Canadians want the government to spend, he is very willing to spend.

Some wanted to present Layton and Dion as leaders anxious to gain power, but they were only proposing the same message they have always presented. Harper's only comeback was to turn 180 degrees and completely reverse everything he has said for the last 5 years, and longer.

Who is the truly desperate power monger!?


Patricia
said

This budget does not go far enough. There should be more help for the poor and the vulnerable who will suffer terribly during this economic downturn. I am further convinced that Conservatives have ice water in their veins and no compassion in their hearts. Their never ending mantra is "show me the money"...ie,more money for themselves.


Fatman
said

The PM had no choice in the matter but relent and include the massive spending demanded by the "Gang of Three". Considering the alternative that appeared as a real possibility if he didn't I believe he did the correct thing in my view. I don't like it but it won't cause me to shift my vote to any of the other alternatives.
If it doesn't work we MUST remember who insisted on it in the beginning presenting the PM with a most unacceptable "OR ELSE".


Peter
said

My goodness Sheila, could you do you think you could hide your contempt for the Prime Minister any more?

It is simply politics folks, reality always trumps principles and that has always been. Yes Sheila, even Liberal and NDP politicians must abandon electioneering principles when confronted with reality. To read all this anti Harper tripe really peeves me, as if the Liberals could do better. They had their chance over a decade and we're still waiting to get the 40 million stolen dollars! He was elected to govern and that's what he's doing so suck it up buttercup.


bunny
said

He had to go along with the three stooges, can you imagine them in control now? they are already saying they have nothing in common well okay, powre. So if you want another minority liberal goverment, ditch Harper, I wont. I think iggy is all wrong for this country.


Matt
said

And the alternative? Liberal? NDP? Come on now. Maybe if the opposition didn't try to railroad the Conservative government and steal the election. Did he have an alternative?


Mary Virgin
said

The Liberals own this budget not the Conservatives. They said so themselves, that's why they are supporting it.

Sheila, do you mean kill babies? That is a woman's right? Don't worry, PM Harper has stated very clearly that his government will not propose any legislation against baby killing.




Ex Conservative
said

To quote a recent Reform commercial... with a twist: "Stephen Harper is not a leader".

This clown has backtracked, prorogued, lied, connived, lost all credibility and Lord knows what else.And all this happened in roughly 3 yrs. all in the name of hanging on to power!

Keep in mind that this is the same guy who couldn't get a Majority against Dion...the question is: why is Harper still leading the Reform Party? He should be gone asap.


MDHinDC
said

The "budget" is not conservative, no one denies that, but as has been pointed out, Harper had himself in a corner - somewhat of his own doing, and this was the only way out. I am still optimistic that in the very near future, the focus will be shifted to other issues tht will really fire up the passion in the political opposition and among the people. The first one that comes to my mind is Senate Reform. The only way that we can see a fully functional Senate in this country is by getting the required consensus from the parties and the provinces to make the change. The only way tht this can, at least in the political situation at present, is to have the Liberals support, and the provinces - which requires some give on other issues - like the budget. This would be vote buying taken to a whole new level.


BW
said

TO Sheila,

What women RIGHTS do you think P.M. will compromise?

Quite frankly if your going to critize the P.M. do it based on something he has done and save the guess work for the ill-informed.


Kevin in Northern Alberta
said

I am a Patriot so I am a Conservative. Unlike the libs, NDP, Bloc, who stand for nothing. I am a pround Canadian, Thanks to all our Women and Men in the Forces past and present. Thank you.


John
said

The mantra of the former Reform/Alliance party was "Brian Mulroney" was a bigger spender than the liberals, he could have paid down the debt but he didn't" Well who has spent more now Steve of Brian


David from NS
said

I think he should have stuck to his guns and let the chips fall where they may.


George in Calgary
said

For the Sheilas of this country: please show me where Iggy and clan would have done better? I harp on this but no one will respond. I do not see the dollar value from Iggy's "shadow" cabinent? Where is is? What would the libs have done different? What this budget means is that Mr. Harper, a great leader has listened to others and has presented a budget that will keep this country stable in this downturn.

Yes it means a deficit and yes he never wanted to run a deficit. Well who really does? These are special circumstances and even the libs understand this. Times change and so must the government of the day and that is what has happened. Live with it for it will be far more less painful with a Conservative at the helm then a lib or good grief an NDPeer.


Fraser
said

What simply amazes me and really has me shaking my head are these types of comments and the fact that CTV is stirring the pot again to cause dissention in the Conservative ranks.

Has anyone really ever thought in simple terms that the Liberals and Conservatives in this country cannot ever be linked to the political arena of the U.S.? By this I mean we in Canada have the most unique system along with the U.K., Australia and New Zealand. We have a capitalistic base with socialistic programs (such as health care and the CBC to name a few) for our political structure so how on Gods green earth can Conservatives be not holding onto their principles.

If it were the farther left leaning Liberals and NDP they would have really given away the farm.......... So what is your point CTV?



Kareen from Calgary
said

Wake up people! This economic situation that is facing the whole world is not Conservative-induced! What choice did Harper have. Give him a chance. If you think the Liberals could do any better, shake your heads! Or maybe you would rather have the NDP!!!


John
said

What difference will it make.. Too much too little on the wrong things at the wrong time by the wrong people. That about sums it up. Taking advise from back stabbing co-workers is no way to run things (they want your job). Still Harper's job was to lead and not burn the house down.. He did that its called compromise.


Cory-Toronto
said

Anyone who thinks that Harper has abondoned his ideals , is out to lunch. The stooges blackmailed him into this budget (that they all say they hate), or they would take the country to another election ...or worse...form an unelected coalition that nobody voted for. Harper SAVED this country from Duceppe, Layton, and Dion. And now Iggy, the neo-Liberal. I listen to Iggy talk and it is like I am back in school getting scolded by my third grade teacher. He has been out of this country for so long, he thinks that Canada is still as Liberal as in the 1970's. I don't agree with all that this budget is (too much spending), but it A LOT better than ANYTHING, the three stooges would have come up with. Iggy is scary to look at, listen to, and cannot relate to the younger generation.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

Stephen Harper continually gets attacked by the powerful media because they have a vested interest in having their boss-Liberals back in power. These groups support big goverrnment, oppressively high taxation, and anti-democratic, anti-human rights measures here and abroad. As such, they support polar opposite goals than that of Stephen Harper's conservatives. The recession made in the US and spreading to the rest of the world is not his fault. A minority government has no choice but to appease the other parties and his credibility has been dealt a blow, but continuous bashing doesn't promote a bi-partisan political arena, but merely polarizes the extremes. At least Jim Flaherty has been working with the Bank of Canada to fight this recession which gets little or no coverage at all. He also picked a team to help shape the budget with input from Canadians, and Ignatieff's demagogic statement of "it is up to Stephen Harper to state his fiscal package. We will then either oppose or approve it" merely emphasizes a partisan ploy of political gamesmanship, and to further feed the special interest groups with hope to bring down the government.


Michelle
said

Such a nuisance and bother this democracy thing. The hard core conservatives had thought they installed a nice little dictator to run the country their way, but it turns out the dictator had no choice but to listen to other people with different ideas and incorporate some of those ideas into his budget. What utter madness.


Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON
said

Peter,
Do you think that you could / would ever get off your Conservative hat and stop mis-stating historical facts about the Liberals ?

In 1995, there was a referendum in Quebec that the YES side came within 1% of winning. (TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT IF WE LOVE CANADA !

So the Liberal giovernemtn iof the time did (2) things:
a) They asked Stephane Dion to come-up with the Clarity Act; and
b) they decided to try to "sell" the benefits of remaining Canadian to Quebers through the Sponsorship Program.

TRhe results: Soem ad agencies, including (1) large Conservative one abused the system and wasted / stole some money.


The Liberal Government threough Paul Martin, instituted a Royal Commission to study the whole mess.
Judge Gomery (no friend of the Liberals) found that there was no Government wrong-doing over all of those years (it is more than a decade ago since the allegation of wrong-doing was made.

Even Jean Chretien even won his suit against Gomery for his incorrect observations

Stephen Harper came to power by over-spending (in court now) and called the Liberals dis-honest and crooks

We all know hw the real dishonest person is. Being a fervent Liberal (for good reasons), I urged the Liberals to sue the pants off of Harper for running his whole campaign as a lie, but the Liberals chose not to.

Time for a whole lot less Liberal bashing and start bashing away at the real incompetents, Harper and the Conservatives!


Dennis in Moncton, NB
said

Why are the super-conservatives so p.o.'ed?

It's called political survival folks. If Harper had not prepared such a budget, the vote of non-confidence would have booted the Conservatives from power and would have triggered a new election. Haper knew that the best case result from this scenario would have been a weaker Conservative minority government or, , a minority Liberal government in colaition with the NDP and possibly the BLOC.

He had to do what he did to stay in power. Pure and simple.


Steve from Simcoe
said

Harper is reactive to pressure and no creative in solving problems. MacKay will make a better leader. When Canadians needed a real budget to combat the economic crisis, Harper brought out some meaningless figures mainly to destroy the opposition. Now under pressure of being toppled, he has given more than he should. The Cdn Alliance group AKA Conservative has betrayed the traditional values of the true Conservatives. Haven't heard Baird running off with his motor mouth lately. Also notice the big three in press phots are Harper, Flagerty and Finley? Basically him, the money guy and a female for a photo shoot opportunity. By the way, Harper has also reignite the separatist movement in Quebec in order to shoot down the Coalition. Sarah Palin should join his cabinet. LOL.


Scott Beckingsale
said

Lets hope this is th beginning to the end of Harper. Finally the country can see him for what he really is all about.




Graham Deline Ottawa
said

I wonder how this is going to affect Conservative fund raising.

I suspect that much of the money that the Conservatives were so successful at raising came from ex Reform Party folks who are upset with the budget.


BB
said

Mr Harper is a victim of low turn out at the polls. He was given no choice with Ignatieff and his gang bullying the Conservatives. Given a majority, Harper could have stuck to his guns which was intially not to go into great debt. Now everyone is "screwed up" thinking that he is to blame for this global mess. Ignatieff is working the press so well that people are now convinced that Obama's decisions are somehow influencing Harpers even tho Harper brought down his budget first. His budget was purely to assuage the little feelings of all those "concerned" Liberals.


Jason in SK
said

Chalk me up as a of those *previous* Harper supporters. I think he's looked incredibly weak, and his budget is awful. I resent the fact that this government cares nothing for arts. In the latest budget, social science and humanities funding is HALF of what science and tech are allotted. And further, of that 50% funding...ALL of it goes to business-related programs.

I suppose Harper believes that the english, history, and anthropology majors don't vote for him. Well, perhaps this will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And by caving to the opposition, Harper has lost my respect as a leader. His policies are lacking and his credibility is damaged. No wonder the Liberals are gaining ground...


Brian
said

To Patricia,

What more do you think the P.M. could have done in the budget?

The problem its easy to say spend more money but were is it going to come from.How much larger of a deficit should the government?

The problem its easy to say spend more money but were is it going to come from. Are you prepared to pay more taxes?? Probably not!!

The reality of the situation is that our main trading partner is in a recession and that regardless of what the government does it can't escape this reality.


J in Ontario
said

I could care less who is in charge. Conservatives.. Liberals... they are all equally ineffective in some aspects, and effective in others. Those who think their party has all the answers should really take a history lesson. You need to be more flexible in hearing from all sides. Minority governments are the only way to get things done in a fair manner. Neither party is going to lead the country into a Lion's den. The real problem is Steven Harper is not a good leader. The conservatives will never win a majority as long as he is their leader and thank god for that. Either party with a majority is a recipe for disaster. Keep doing the great job Steve, because I love the fact that we'll never see you with a majority government.


Vic Bailey .... Orillia, ON.
said

Mr. Harper .... Debt!...Debt! ...Debt! A most irresponsible decision; entirely based on maintaining your political support from the "Coalition Team"!! Shame!! You are now more a product of arrogance rather than fiscal responsibility; and we taxpayers, now, must pay "your" bills. Begone...!!


John E
said

This is a budget born out of financial crisis and the inability of Mr. Flaherty to get himself out of denial so he could deal with it. It was also a problem because Mr. Harper & Flaherty were not fically responsible during the last two years and widdled away the surplus and the 3 Billion contingency the liberals created. That in it'self was not conservative in nature. Finally Mr. Harper caused his own downfall by poking one too many sticks in the oppositions' eyes and they poked back. Therefore, Harper had no other alternative but to stray from conservatives values. I feel he strayed even further than the Liberals really wanted from him. The Liberals would have gone along with just the stimulus spending I feel certain they did not want the tax cuts too.


Captain Ron
said

As usual, the liberal and NDP commentary here is replete with ad hominem attacks against Prime Minister Stephen Harper that lack any substance or contribution. Harper was in a tough spot thanks to the socialist clown parade....so what...he has responded according to what the Country needs right now and I'm certain the brain center of the Conservatives will be fabricating a truly Conservative response to this charade of the leftist socialists over the next year...and Sheila, God will enforce the appropriate policy with respect to your Womwn's body rights issues even if the Conservative don't...you can be certain of that...but, please lay out your case for Athiesm. I find as soon as one asks the Athiest to lay out the case for their Worldview they go strangely silent.


Michael vdB
said

For anyone to say that Mr. Harper was painted into a corner seems to still think the coalition exists. The Liberals, under Iggy, effectively killed that idea.

Mr. Harper may say he was painted into a corner, but the fact remains that he followed right along with his own can of paint. It is beyond me how people can complain that the governement is not working together and then on the other hand, complain a party is not sticking up for their principles.

I consider myself a small-L liberal who is fiscially conservative and I don't like the deficit anymore than the next person. I also look at the fact that being a G7 country, we are required to contribute a stimulus plan that we find ourselves being swallowed up in.

The question still remains...would the deficit have been smaller or non-existant if the conservatives did not cut the wrong taxes and boost spending in the past 3 years? I understand they may not have seen the mess that was coming, but shouldn't you always plan for the worst?


Jack - AB
said

Harper cut the GST by 2%. Government loses $7 Billion for every 1% GST reduction. So, the first cut was 2.5 years and 2nd 1 year ago. We've lost around $24 Billion in tax revenue from the GST. Harper also cut Corporate taxes during the boom. I wonder how many Billions we lost from that? Now he wants to do income tax cuts that will cost how much more revenue?

On top of that he spends worse than the NDP. Cutting taxes & over spending sounds like another politician I recall, George Bush. By the time Harper is done, Canada will be running deficits year after year and the debt will climb like crazy.

Tory supporters say the other parties made Harper do this. Well, Harper could have created a reasonable budget with less spending and stood his ground. If the other parties voted him out then let them have a go at it to see if they could do better and if they failed then Harper could have called them out. Instead, Harper wants to hold onto power no matter the cost.

The Conservative ideology has always been to cut taxes and cut government spending to balance it out, not to cut taxes and spend like a madman which is the worst thing any political leader can do.


james
said

I'm not sure all people live on the same planet. Is there not a global economic meltdown shaking the very foundations of the world's economies? Did I hear that wrong? Are these not extrodinary times?

This is not the time for grand ideological debates. If we wanted that, we'd have supported the coaltion of stooges.

The Harper/Ignatieff budget was very pragmatic, albeit lacking in some sort of mega project funding. It is a deficit to be sure, but not a program deficit that will lead to structural deficits and debt. Sounds pretty conservative to me given these difficult times we live in.


my take on this
said

Stephen Harper is the leader he warned Canadians about in the attack ads. Stephen Harper is ... Canada's weakest leader.


Bill
said

I am surprised that no one has mentioned that Western Canada (and not Ontario or Quebec) will be straddled with the 85 billion deficit. It's time for Western Canada to wake up and realize that we don't have any say in what the federal government decides to do. It's time to free Western Canada from the Ontario and Quebec control.
Bill



Dr. Mirco Walther
said

When I first learned about Mr. Harper's plan to run a deficit, I immediately wrote to him and Mr. Flaherty to convince them that doing so was the wrong thing. Although I received quick responses from both, my concerns and ideas obviously fell on deaf ears.

As soon as a deficit was announced, I resigned my seat on the board of the CPC in my area and canceled my party membership. I simply cannot support a party which recklessly (and needlessly) spends money and plunges future generations of Canadians into debt. I don't care what the circumstances are, you never spend more than you have because that's what caused this financial mess in the first place.


Mach Machiavelli
said

We know that Flanagan is a neo-con born and bred in the USA and who immigrated to Canada with a train-load of right wing baggage that he used to program the minds of youngsters like Master Stephen Harper a la the UofC.

I would not be surprised if he and his cadre are writing the constitution for a new party called Reformed version 2.0 Beta.
Stay tuned to CTV.


Fredericton Conservative
said

Although this budget may not strictly follow the normal conservative protocol, it was the best possible budget for current times. With the unnecessary pressure from the opposition and the declining economy, some thing needed to be done.

Yes there will be a deficit, yes that is not conservative, but yes this budget reflects the current need in Canada and is the best plan to see our contry thrive in years to come.


K
said

The Conservatives complained about the coalition, so the Liberals ended the coalition and supported the budget. However this is now the Conservative budget and if it fails to improve Canada it is the fault of the Conservative party. This could be the end of Harper.


Steve G
said

It's fun watching the conservative house of cards built on a foundation of greed and deceit come tumbling down. As the world's political pendulum begins to swing back to the left, you have become obsolete.

Time to go back, regroup and try again in twenty or thirty years.


Andrew Chobaniuk
said

Time for new leadership in the Conservative Party I think. I'm a Conservative, but my gut tells me that Harper won't let go of power until the Conservative ship has sunk to the bottom of the ocean.

Deficits are not the way to move our country forward!

I'm seriously considering not voting Conservative in the next election unless there is some major changes in the way the party is being run.


damian
said

James

The grand ideological debate was started by Harper and then delayed by him, so pleas do not confuse your facts


John Shaw
said

Yet more nonsense from people confused between Conservative and Libertarian.
Libertarians believe in small government and would have booted anyone like Harper 3 years ago when it became obvious he was going to massively increase the size of government.
Conservatives can talk about small government when is suits their purpose but tend to create an even larger State than the socialists when in power.

At this time I cannot think of one Conservative Party in Canada in the last 30 years that has ever acted to decrease the size of government when in power.
The reason we continue to get ever bigger governemnt is because of this confusion, and clearly Canada will never get smaller government out of a Conservative Party.
Despite this I keep seeing this nonsense about going away from Conservative roots, and people lined up to appologize no matter how excessive Harper gets and even more laughable I see people talking about the good old days of Harris cuts to government, when of course they were all talk and little action too.


Joseph - Looks like a dann good budget
said

Its a good budget end of the story.

I believe in Steve.




Rob
said

Totally agreed, he was railroaded, totally bullied by the opposition parties. He had to weather this storm, but he doing as good as he can with the Libs, NDPs and Blocheads blocking him at every crossroad. THey would certainly do worse in these turmoil times.


RW Gatineau QC
said

Of course "core conservatives" are not pleased the budget it is the reality check they need. The budget reflects that the government is in a minority position. The Cons got 37.6% of the vote last fall. So the budget will pass they have incorporated ideas from other parties, which got 62.4% of the vote. This how a minority Parliaments works.


Tommies
said

It really doesn't matter now as far as Harper being defeated in the house anyway. How can it happen? Ignatieff doesn't have the numbers, the Bloq and NDP will never join him now that it looks like he's gaining in the polls especially in Quebec at the expense of the Bloq.It's clear sailing for Harper for 4 years.


Jim in Ontario
said

I would think Liberals would be more upset with the budget because it makes their party redundant. With the Conervatives firmly entrenched in the middle, Ignatieff and his successor have their work cut out for them.


Jill
said

It's so obvious a minority government just doesn't work. PM Harper has to design the budget to make the liberals happy so they'll stay off his back. Unfortunately that won't happen. If Harper had gotten the majority he should have in the last election, the budget would be much more to the conservatives' liking.


james
said

damian

The coalition of stooges were the three biggest ideologues (and egos) in this country. Let-wing Trudeau "Liberals", socialists, and separartists. You don't ge more ideology based politics than that combination.

Ideologues who could NOT accept th will of the electorate and tried to usurp democracy. But democracy won again and they are now in the wilderness.

I know my facts very well. Harper has shown he's flexible. Thats expected in both leadership and politics. If the "hard core" conservatives don't like it, too bad.


Robert from Victoria
said

Truth is when it comes to "survival mode" most all of us; even those self righteous ones crying foul, will do what it takes to survive when pushed into a corner. It doesn't matter if we instigated the situation or not. We may find it likely when forced to compromise our ideals and think outside the proverbial box, an epiphany of sorts happens. This is when great things may come as a result, coming from a sort of forced enlightenment. We voted the man and the party in with an increased mandate. Why not at least give it a chance to work without constantly trying to tear down and destroy for personal political gain. It is a very expensive game. The politicians are fully cognitive of the reality we the tax payers in the end are paying all the bills. The games are played at our collective expense. We sheep listen to the sensationalist media headline grabbers and don't even read the content. Markets are relative. We sell high, we buy high in the same market. So the market is low now, we buy low. It does not help to stop buying houses, cars, trucks t.v's, computers etc. We are shooting ourselves in the foot. There is still a market functioning at a very high 90 percent capacity. The glass is truly almost overflowing, it is not half empty. We have seen recessions come and go. We always will. Crying about it or pointing fingers at a market eventuality is just plain ridiculous. You only loose money in the market when you draw it out. The markets will recover and always will. Bouncing around chasing the easy money is also shooting ourselves in the foot. Business can't function without capital and jobs are lost.


A Oliver ON
said

It is about time Harper and the Liberals got along and started to work together to get our economy back on track. Anybody who based their comments on the fact that they are died in the wool Liberal's, NDP or others obviously are doing the party thing and not worried about the economy .


Soft core conservative
said

When the world is in finacial turmoil you have to do what you have to do. Just think what would have happened had Jack Layton and Duceppe got thier hands on the purse. Who realy cares about those hard core conservatives who would they vote for Layton?


That's the point, Fatman: Harper has no principles
said

Harper caved in to the Liberals because Harper will do anything, even betray his own nominal political creed, if it gives him the chance to stay in 24 Sussex Drive.

Harper just wants to be in office. He doesn't care if the debt goes up, down or sideways.






It's a good budget for home renovators..
said

Did Home Depot contribute big to the Conservative campaign coffers?




Steve the Pundit
said

So let's review the options Harper had when it came to the budget:

- continue to be seen as "denying the truth" by putting out a budget not far removed from last fall's economic statement, saying "fundementals are fine", and watching the coalition hijack his duly elected government and loses power

- put out a budget that shows he is listening, confirms things are not "business as usual", attempt to address the issues around a worldwide global downturn, only to then be accused of "sacrificing his principles", but staying in power.

All parties said Harper had to cooperate in this difficult era. He did. All said he need to ask for input from all stakeholders. He did. And for this he gets criticized.

Ideology is all well and good, but you can't practice it from the opposition bench. Do I like this deficit budget? No, but I'm also quite convinced that the economy will start to come out of its doldrums before the full impact of spending promises is kept. I see this being a "worst-case" scenario, delivered by a former economist who believes it won't be as bad as that.

And for all the Sheilas making reference to taking away women's right to choose, enough is enough. The battle is over; nobody, least of all Harper, wants to open it up again.


Tom Hawley
said

Yes Matt ,he did have an alternative. Mr.Harper could have proposed a different budget and let the GG decide the next steps towards a government if it was needed.
Mr.Harper wanted to retain power so he sold the party out .

This is almost the equivalency as what MacKay did with the former PC party.



Is the coalition called Liberal-Conservative
said

or is the coalition called Conservative-Liberal?




ron in
said

Wow - CONs sure become whiny babies when confronted with the fact that Harper sold them out.

They're even trying to claim Harper is SO WEAK that Dion 'forced' Harper to prorogued Parlaiment!

It is a CON budget. Harper owns it as do all you clowns that voted him do!


jim
said

Yet the fact remains, the Liberals were teaming up with the Bloc in the collition, who's sole purpose is to tear the country apart. What are they and their supporters thinking? Shake your heads! Do you hear anything?


Can see clearly
said

Many of us are waiting for the day of Stephen Harper's departure. Any day now would be fine. We would like to see something similar to the Dion/Ignatieff switch. Harper is LAST WEEK. Goodbye - when are you leaving?


It's time for real conservatives to quit Harper's
said

party of fake conservatives.




Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
said

Flanagan is right. Ms.Keiriddin is right.

Those active in the Reform Party and the Progressive Conservative Party as well as the merger of Reform into the Tories never in their wildest dreams expected Stephen Harper would succumb thusly.

Harper remains far rightwing and outside the mainstream on social issues while he is beginning to resemble a Trotskyite when it comes to government spending. He thus is shrinking the constituency of his party dramatically.

His actions contradict every significant thing he ever said or did before he became prime minister.

I have often expressed concerns about Harper's ability to win a majority government before and do so again now.

This is NOT leadership!


Paul
said

I'm a core fiscal and social conservative. I'm not happy that there is going to be a deficit, but I understand what Harper is doing and why.

What it boils down to is that Canadians would not support a truly conservative budget. One that made large cuts to government and taxes. Such a budget would quickly result in an election that the CPC would not win, so we get the government we deserve. Bad as it is, it is still better than that the Liberals of (heaven help us if they get got into power) the NDP would do.


ron in
said

jim sputtered:"Yet the fact remains, the Liberals were teaming up with the Bloc in the collition, who's sole purpose is to tear the country apart."

Fact is, they weren't. Only you punk'd CONs believe that.

The coalition was with the NDP. It was in writing.

Do all CONs lie all the time?




Jared
said

I was a member of the Liberal Party but left a year ago. I was on the verge of joining the Conservative Party because recently I have converted from a small l liberal to a fiscal conservative. I have been sold on the principles of small government and fiscal conservatism.

Yet this budget represent that exact ideology I just rejected. This is a Conservative Party in name only. There is nothing conservative about this. I'm soo disappointed and now there is no chance I am joining the Conservative party in the short and medium-term. Maybe one day when they turn out to be real conservatives, instead of big government conservatives like the GOP. The only true conservative in North America is Ron Paul.



said

The English politician Benjamin Disraeli in 1845 called conservative government "an organized hypocrisy."

Why would he say such a thing? Is it because conservatives are aways complaining there is not enough money to go around while stuffing their own pockets replete with cash?

Yes, the words 'conservative' and 'hypocrite' have a nice fit.





E. Nuffalready
said

On January 13th Prime Minister Stephen Harper visited a Calgary radio station. When he was asked how the budget will be “different than the other guys” he stated that it would benefit the economy as a whole, not just special interest groups.

What we got was the biggest pork-fest in Canadian history, including:

- $25 million for snowmobile and ATV trails.

- $25 million for an endowment to support the creation of international arts awards.

- $100 million over two years for marquee festivals and events that promote tourism.

At last, the government has discovered that tax-payer funded snowmobile/ATV trails and international arts awards are the panacea for economic recovery!

It looks to me like they were so desperate to spend borrowed money that they didn't have the time or interest to review whether any of these programs would be useful investments.

Good grief! This isn't stimulus, it's porkulus!

Take the stupid, wasteful, useless stuff out of the budget during committee reviews!






Henry Wysmulek
said

What a revelation! Politicians due whatever to stay in power!

Have we already forgotten about the tree stooges and their attempted Coo?




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