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Date: Sun. Feb. 1 2009 2:37 PM ET
Core supporters of Canada's Conservative party are riled up about the budget handed down by Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government and some believe he has strayed from his principles, says a former party strategist.
Tom Flanagan, a professor and former Conservative campaign manager, said Sunday that these supporters are angry that the prime minister authorized a budget that will see his country plunge into an $85 billion deficit over the next five years.
"I am getting more people e-mailing me and commenting to me on this than I ever had by far on any other issue," Flanagan told CTV's Question Period on Sunday.
"I do think there is a problem among Conservative core supporters...I think many of them they don't like the budget and I guess I would believe that Mr. Harper has to do some things to reassure these people that his direction is still fundamentally Conservative."
Tasha Kheiriddin, director of the Fraser Institute's Montreal office, told Question Period that she has been hearing many of the same rumblings from the Conservative community.
"People are upset," she said.
"I think it's definitely a feeling of betrayal in the sense that this budget has very few Conservative principles in it," she added.
"The tax cuts are buried far in the fine print and the spending is very, very lavish to the point where the Liberals didn't even ask for more, so that kind of tells you that Mr. Harper really sold the store on this one."
Kheiriddin suggested Harper has painted himself into a corner by further agreeing to a Liberal request for the government to provide frequent updates to Parliament on the status of the budget.
"Mr. Ignatieff has been very clever in asking for this type of report card every three or four months to see how the government is doing," she said.
"And when he gets a bad report card, as he inevitably will, he will at some point just hold hold it up and say: 'Time for an election, folks. This hasn't worked.' And Mr. Harper will have no leg to stand on because he will have to defend this budget that he put forward that will not have worked."
Flanagan said the prime minister had few options but to go forward as he did when opposition members demanded that he include serious spending in his budget, or he would face the prospect of being voted down in Parliament.
"Given the political jam he was in, which was at least partially his own creation, I don't think he had a whole lot of choice," he said.
In order to win back his Conservative base, the prime minister may choose to woo them through non-financial means, Flanagan said.
"I think this is a done deal, it can't be undone," he said, referring to the contentious budget.
"So that's why I'm suggesting Mr. Harper has to move on to other policies, perhaps outside the budget, things like criminal justice where he can make some accomplishments that the Conservative core supporters will appreciate."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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John
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Layton in NB
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Niagara George
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The recent events have shown us all that he is very willing to give up those ideals in times of crisis.
There can only be two possible explanations for why he and his sidekick Flaherty would do that.
One option is that he knows, in his heart, those policies do not work. If they don't work, he has to follow the Liberal model and attempt to spend us out of trouble.
The other option is that he has never really been a fiscal conservative. He has only preached the message he thought would get him elected. Now when he is desperate to cling to power, and the polls tell him Canadians want the government to spend, he is very willing to spend.
Some wanted to present Layton and Dion as leaders anxious to gain power, but they were only proposing the same message they have always presented. Harper's only comeback was to turn 180 degrees and completely reverse everything he has said for the last 5 years, and longer.
Who is the truly desperate power monger!?
Patricia
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Fatman
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If it doesn't work we MUST remember who insisted on it in the beginning presenting the PM with a most unacceptable "OR ELSE".
Peter
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It is simply politics folks, reality always trumps principles and that has always been. Yes Sheila, even Liberal and NDP politicians must abandon electioneering principles when confronted with reality. To read all this anti Harper tripe really peeves me, as if the Liberals could do better. They had their chance over a decade and we're still waiting to get the 40 million stolen dollars! He was elected to govern and that's what he's doing so suck it up buttercup.
bunny
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Matt
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Mary Virgin
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Sheila, do you mean kill babies? That is a woman's right? Don't worry, PM Harper has stated very clearly that his government will not propose any legislation against baby killing.
Ex Conservative
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This clown has backtracked, prorogued, lied, connived, lost all credibility and Lord knows what else.And all this happened in roughly 3 yrs. all in the name of hanging on to power!
Keep in mind that this is the same guy who couldn't get a Majority against Dion...the question is: why is Harper still leading the Reform Party? He should be gone asap.
MDHinDC
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BW
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What women RIGHTS do you think P.M. will compromise?
Quite frankly if your going to critize the P.M. do it based on something he has done and save the guess work for the ill-informed.
Kevin in Northern Alberta
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John
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David from NS
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George in Calgary
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Yes it means a deficit and yes he never wanted to run a deficit. Well who really does? These are special circumstances and even the libs understand this. Times change and so must the government of the day and that is what has happened. Live with it for it will be far more less painful with a Conservative at the helm then a lib or good grief an NDPeer.
Fraser
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Has anyone really ever thought in simple terms that the Liberals and Conservatives in this country cannot ever be linked to the political arena of the U.S.? By this I mean we in Canada have the most unique system along with the U.K., Australia and New Zealand. We have a capitalistic base with socialistic programs (such as health care and the CBC to name a few) for our political structure so how on Gods green earth can Conservatives be not holding onto their principles.
If it were the farther left leaning Liberals and NDP they would have really given away the farm.......... So what is your point CTV?
Kareen from Calgary
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John
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Cory-Toronto
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Gail (Hamilton)
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Michelle
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Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON
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Do you think that you could / would ever get off your Conservative hat and stop mis-stating historical facts about the Liberals ?
In 1995, there was a referendum in Quebec that the YES side came within 1% of winning. (TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT IF WE LOVE CANADA !
So the Liberal giovernemtn iof the time did (2) things:
a) They asked Stephane Dion to come-up with the Clarity Act; and
b) they decided to try to "sell" the benefits of remaining Canadian to Quebers through the Sponsorship Program.
TRhe results: Soem ad agencies, including (1) large Conservative one abused the system and wasted / stole some money.
The Liberal Government threough Paul Martin, instituted a Royal Commission to study the whole mess.
Judge Gomery (no friend of the Liberals) found that there was no Government wrong-doing over all of those years (it is more than a decade ago since the allegation of wrong-doing was made.
Even Jean Chretien even won his suit against Gomery for his incorrect observations
Stephen Harper came to power by over-spending (in court now) and called the Liberals dis-honest and crooks
We all know hw the real dishonest person is. Being a fervent Liberal (for good reasons), I urged the Liberals to sue the pants off of Harper for running his whole campaign as a lie, but the Liberals chose not to.
Time for a whole lot less Liberal bashing and start bashing away at the real incompetents, Harper and the Conservatives!
Dennis in Moncton, NB
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It's called political survival folks. If Harper had not prepared such a budget, the vote of non-confidence would have booted the Conservatives from power and would have triggered a new election. Haper knew that the best case result from this scenario would have been a weaker Conservative minority government or,
He had to do what he did to stay in power. Pure and simple.
Steve from Simcoe
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Scott Beckingsale
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Graham Deline Ottawa
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I suspect that much of the money that the Conservatives were so successful at raising came from ex Reform Party folks who are upset with the budget.
BB
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Jason in SK
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I suppose Harper believes that the english, history, and anthropology majors don't vote for him. Well, perhaps this will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And by caving to the opposition, Harper has lost my respect as a leader. His policies are lacking and his credibility is damaged. No wonder the Liberals are gaining ground...
Brian
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What more do you think the P.M. could have done in the budget?
The problem its easy to say spend more money but were is it going to come from.How much larger of a deficit should the government?
The problem its easy to say spend more money but were is it going to come from. Are you prepared to pay more taxes?? Probably not!!
The reality of the situation is that our main trading partner is in a recession and that regardless of what the government does it can't escape this reality.
J in Ontario
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Vic Bailey .... Orillia, ON.
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John E
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Captain Ron
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Michael vdB
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Mr. Harper may say he was painted into a corner, but the fact remains that he followed right along with his own can of paint. It is beyond me how people can complain that the governement is not working together and then on the other hand, complain a party is not sticking up for their principles.
I consider myself a small-L liberal who is fiscially conservative and I don't like the deficit anymore than the next person. I also look at the fact that being a G7 country, we are required to contribute a stimulus plan that we find ourselves being swallowed up in.
The question still remains...would the deficit have been smaller or non-existant if the conservatives did not cut the wrong taxes and boost spending in the past 3 years? I understand they may not have seen the mess that was coming, but shouldn't you always plan for the worst?
Jack - AB
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On top of that he spends worse than the NDP. Cutting taxes & over spending sounds like another politician I recall, George Bush. By the time Harper is done, Canada will be running deficits year after year and the debt will climb like crazy.
Tory supporters say the other parties made Harper do this. Well, Harper could have created a reasonable budget with less spending and stood his ground. If the other parties voted him out then let them have a go at it to see if they could do better and if they failed then Harper could have called them out. Instead, Harper wants to hold onto power no matter the cost.
The Conservative ideology has always been to cut taxes and cut government spending to balance it out, not to cut taxes and spend like a madman which is the worst thing any political leader can do.
james
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This is not the time for grand ideological debates. If we wanted that, we'd have supported the coaltion of stooges.
The Harper/Ignatieff budget was very pragmatic, albeit lacking in some sort of mega project funding. It is a deficit to be sure, but not a program deficit that will lead to structural deficits and debt. Sounds pretty conservative to me given these difficult times we live in.
my take on this
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Bill
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Bill
Dr. Mirco Walther
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As soon as a deficit was announced, I resigned my seat on the board of the CPC in my area and canceled my party membership. I simply cannot support a party which recklessly (and needlessly) spends money and plunges future generations of Canadians into debt. I don't care what the circumstances are, you never spend more than you have because that's what caused this financial mess in the first place.
Mach Machiavelli
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I would not be surprised if he and his cadre are writing the constitution for a new party called Reformed version 2.0 Beta.
Stay tuned to CTV.
Fredericton Conservative
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Yes there will be a deficit, yes that is not conservative, but yes this budget reflects the current need in Canada and is the best plan to see our contry thrive in years to come.
K
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Steve G
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Time to go back, regroup and try again in twenty or thirty years.
Andrew Chobaniuk
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Deficits are not the way to move our country forward!
I'm seriously considering not voting Conservative in the next election unless there is some major changes in the way the party is being run.
damian
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The grand ideological debate was started by Harper and then delayed by him, so pleas do not confuse your facts
John Shaw
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Libertarians believe in small government and would have booted anyone like Harper 3 years ago when it became obvious he was going to massively increase the size of government.
Conservatives can talk about small government when is suits their purpose but tend to create an even larger State than the socialists when in power.
At this time I cannot think of one Conservative Party in Canada in the last 30 years that has ever acted to decrease the size of government when in power.
The reason we continue to get ever bigger governemnt is because of this confusion, and clearly Canada will never get smaller government out of a Conservative Party.
Despite this I keep seeing this nonsense about going away from Conservative roots, and people lined up to appologize no matter how excessive Harper gets and even more laughable I see people talking about the good old days of Harris cuts to government, when of course they were all talk and little action too.
Joseph - Looks like a dann good budget
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I believe in Steve.
Rob
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RW Gatineau QC
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Tommies
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Jim in Ontario
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Jill
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james
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The coalition of stooges were the three biggest ideologues (and egos) in this country. Let-wing Trudeau "Liberals", socialists, and separartists. You don't ge more ideology based politics than that combination.
Ideologues who could NOT accept th will of the electorate and tried to usurp democracy. But democracy won again and they are now in the wilderness.
I know my facts very well. Harper has shown he's flexible. Thats expected in both leadership and politics. If the "hard core" conservatives don't like it, too bad.
Robert from Victoria
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A Oliver ON
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Soft core conservative
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That's the point, Fatman: Harper has no principles
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Harper just wants to be in office. He doesn't care if the debt goes up, down or sideways.
It's a good budget for home renovators..
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Steve the Pundit
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- continue to be seen as "denying the truth" by putting out a budget not far removed from last fall's economic statement, saying "fundementals are fine", and watching the coalition hijack his duly elected government and loses power
- put out a budget that shows he is listening, confirms things are not "business as usual", attempt to address the issues around a worldwide global downturn, only to then be accused of "sacrificing his principles", but staying in power.
All parties said Harper had to cooperate in this difficult era. He did. All said he need to ask for input from all stakeholders. He did. And for this he gets criticized.
Ideology is all well and good, but you can't practice it from the opposition bench. Do I like this deficit budget? No, but I'm also quite convinced that the economy will start to come out of its doldrums before the full impact of spending promises is kept. I see this being a "worst-case" scenario, delivered by a former economist who believes it won't be as bad as that.
And for all the Sheilas making reference to taking away women's right to choose, enough is enough. The battle is over; nobody, least of all Harper, wants to open it up again.
Tom Hawley
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Mr.Harper wanted to retain power so he sold the party out .
This is almost the equivalency as what MacKay did with the former PC party.
Is the coalition called Liberal-Conservative
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ron in
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They're even trying to claim Harper is SO WEAK that Dion 'forced' Harper to prorogued Parlaiment!
It is a CON budget. Harper owns it as do all you clowns that voted him do!
jim
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Can see clearly
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It's time for real conservatives to quit Harper's
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Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
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Those active in the Reform Party and the Progressive Conservative Party as well as the merger of Reform into the Tories never in their wildest dreams expected Stephen Harper would succumb thusly.
Harper remains far rightwing and outside the mainstream on social issues while he is beginning to resemble a Trotskyite when it comes to government spending. He thus is shrinking the constituency of his party dramatically.
His actions contradict every significant thing he ever said or did before he became prime minister.
I have often expressed concerns about Harper's ability to win a majority government before and do so again now.
This is NOT leadership!
Paul
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What it boils down to is that Canadians would not support a truly conservative budget. One that made large cuts to government and taxes. Such a budget would quickly result in an election that the CPC would not win, so we get the government we deserve. Bad as it is, it is still better than that the Liberals of (heaven help us if they get got into power) the NDP would do.
ron in
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Fact is, they weren't. Only you punk'd CONs believe that.
The coalition was with the NDP. It was in writing.
Do all CONs lie all the time?
Jared
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Yet this budget represent that exact ideology I just rejected. This is a Conservative Party in name only. There is nothing conservative about this. I'm soo disappointed and now there is no chance I am joining the Conservative party in the short and medium-term. Maybe one day when they turn out to be real conservatives, instead of big government conservatives like the GOP. The only true conservative in North America is Ron Paul.
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Why would he say such a thing? Is it because conservatives are aways complaining there is not enough money to go around while stuffing their own pockets replete with cash?
Yes, the words 'conservative' and 'hypocrite' have a nice fit.
E. Nuffalready
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What we got was the biggest pork-fest in Canadian history, including:
- $25 million for snowmobile and ATV trails.
- $25 million for an endowment to support the creation of international arts awards.
- $100 million over two years for marquee festivals and events that promote tourism.
At last, the government has discovered that tax-payer funded snowmobile/ATV trails and international arts awards are the panacea for economic recovery!
It looks to me like they were so desperate to spend borrowed money that they didn't have the time or interest to review whether any of these programs would be useful investments.
Good grief! This isn't stimulus, it's porkulus!
Take the stupid, wasteful, useless stuff out of the budget during committee reviews!
Henry Wysmulek
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Have we already forgotten about the tree stooges and their attempted Coo?