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Date: Fri. Jan. 30 2009 9:53 AM ET

ST. JOHN'S, N.L. — A Newfoundland Liberal MP says he will break party ranks and vote against the federal budget if necessary, the second party member to do so.

Scott Andrews, who represents the riding of Avalon, told VOCM Radio he is prepared to go against his party and oppose the budget if it doesn't protect $1.5 billion that the province is entitled to.

"Newfoundland and Labrador has been getting shafted and it's time for this to stop," Andrews said Friday.

"Our colleagues out there in the rest of the country don't get it and we've been trying to impress upon them how important this is to Newfoundland and Labrador."

Premier Danny Williams has called on the six Liberal MPs from his province to vote against the budget, saying it will sap $1.5 billion away from the province in funds from the 1985 Atlantic Accord.

But even if they vote against it, the budget would pass with the support of the other Liberals.

Williams is also looking for support from Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff and other premiers to delay budget changes that affect revenues from the equalization formula and the Atlantic Accord.

Williams is requesting a one-year delay on those changes, saying they adversely affect his province and others that receive equalization.

While Newfoundland and Labrador no longer receives equalization, it continues to receive money under the 1985 Atlantic Accord agreement, which sets out the rules for sharing revenue from the province's offshore energy industry and is influenced by equalization calculations.

Judy Foote, member for Random-Burin-St. George's, has also said she will vote against the budget if it doesn't protect the Atlantic Accord money.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty has not acknowledged Williams's claims that Newfoundland is poised to lose $1.5 billion in payments under the 1985 Atlantic Accord. But he has said the province will get $1.2 billion in Atlantic Accord payments over the next three years -- $1.5 billion less than the province says it's entitled to receive under the agreement.

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Jim Stuart
said

All Liberal MP's should be voting against this budget - not only to show support for Newfoundland but for all Canadians as well.
Michael Ignatief has demonstrated poor judgement and leadership to the party and to Canada by agreeing to support it. Quite frankly, this being a sign of his ethics and lack of political backbone, the party has lost my support. It is a bad budget period.


Gary Thunder
said

Good for him, finally a Liberal who has had it with Harper and a dysfunctional Liberal Party. Finally!!!


Dan LeClair
said

Frankly, I am getting tired of this NFLD hates Canada thing. It is starting to sound like the separatist in Quebec or the separatist in Alberta or the separatists in BC….etc. It is time for all provinces/territories to start taking a national view of things. We are not a collection of 13 squabbling regions - we are one country. It is time for our leaders to start acting like it. Our first loyalty should be to Canada..


It's plenty probably too much already!
said

Why should send them even more money, it's a recession?

Get your money from your taxpayers, we don't want to sink more money into your economy.

You have plenty of resources, start managing it properly!


Gary Thunder
said

Maybe the rest of the Liberals should just not show up. Voters will remember every one who votes for this budget.


rgpeng
said

Gee imagine that MP's doing what they are being paid to do, represent the voter not blindly follow what is called a leader.


Steve in Fredericton
said

I applaud these MP for having the strength of character to vote their constituents vice their Party.

We need more of this in our Parliament.


RobO
said

One name for all of N.L. problems - JOEY SMALLWOOD! He raped his own province and forced the people to leave. Now it seems the way Danny is talking he reminds me of Joey. All yap and no show.

How about providing some positive input into the country instead of crying wolf every few months. Or is he to busy trying to gain control over more companies in N.L. who don't play by Danny's rules.

Just my thoughts for the day, since Danny can get primetime news space.


Bryce Code, Calgary
said

I thought Newfoundland was now a "have" province? It is still acting like a have-not with its hand firmly outstretched. Danny Williams has very little, if any, credibility outside of Newfoundland and this latest tirade is whittling away at the remainder. Newfoundland will soon replace Quebec as the constant whiner of Confederation if this continues.


Gary Thunder
said

If the Liberals allowed a free vote on the budget, I wonder how many actually would support it?
The voters have a long memory on election day.


Ken - Calgary
said

This is a fantastic opportunity for Michael Ignatieff to prove that he is not the dictator that Harper is. I sincerely hope that he allows his MPs to vote with their conscience, instead of SAYING that he will allow it, and then firing them like Harper did with Bill Casey (just another one of the hundreds of lies Harper has tried to pass off.) I really hope Ignatieff doesn't boot the Liberal MPs for this.


Gary Thunder
said

I think all confidence votes should be free votes, not along party lines. Then we would see how much of this nonsense would go on.


Steve in Montreal
said

Yep, sorry guys but Ontario and Quebec need the money. They feel your pain, but they scream louder and throw better tantrums like spoiled kids.


A relocated Maritimer
said

Funny,

Old "Danny Boy" was pretty steadfast on ensuring his province of historic "have not" didn't share when the off shore started to take off. Still take, take and take eh Danny? Must be nice to always want it all but never give back, remember Karma is a wonderful thing. Nfld is part of Canada, the rest of the country propped up the granite planet in hard times, now that you're hailing Nfld as the "have province" it's time to give back, suck it up sweetheart.




anti-tax dude
said

Keep crying there Danny boy. Maybe now Newfoundlanders will start to understand what Alberta has gone through for 4 decades thanks to the anti-west policies of the Federal Liberals led by their hero P.E.T. If you want to live on oil then be prepared to be the whipping boy. You wont get what you want from the Federal Libs either. If IGGy ever gets to be PM he and his followers aren't going to be nice to Alberta if they plan on being nice to Danny boy.You can bet federal liberals won't be doing any favors for any province that produces oil.


Dissapointed
said

Wait a year?

Is that so Mr Williams can milk the Fed government before he reaches that have status he keep talking about? If NL is in such good shape then why is their Premier asking for more money from the Feds? Oh wait, there's "an agreement" in place... but you seem to be pretty good at breaking agreements these days! What’s going to change in a year Mr Williams? I suspect that’s the point when you’ll want to claw back more money from standing “agreements” with the Federal Government on the off shore. I had to leave NL to find work in the 90’s and have always been proud of my province but these childish fits thrown by Mr Williams make me sick.



Trent
said

Hello Danny when Alberta and Ontario were giving you money you never complained as they were run to the ground know you want everything that they wanted and did not get... there is more to Canada then newfoundland.....


Mo Chaudhury
said

It is time the Liberal Party of Ignatieff is folded into the Harper's Tories. Canadians deserve better than Tories and Pseudo-Tories (Ignatieff Liberals).

It is absolutely irresponsible to create an instant $85 billion deficit. It took a decade of pains under Chretien/Martin to correct Birian Mulroney's mess. Not again!


Robby
said

Newfoundland, the new Quebec.


Joyce
said

Dear Danny Boy is crying wolf again. He has no right to run Federal Politics, especially if he does not like others running NL Politics.Run your own Province Danny Williams. And if the Liberals do not turf this member out if he does, than the Liberal Party can not be seen as United Party.



Dan from Northern Ont.
said

Pure greed from Newfoundland politicians. If the rest of Canada behaved like them, there would have been no equalization payments to Newfoundland, and their workers would have not been welcome in Ontario and Alberta. Thankfully, the rest of Canada has more of a heart.


RANDY A EASTERNER IN ALBERTA .
said

Maybe we should learn a little more about the agreement before we pass judgement is it a lump sum or a percentage that makes the equlization payment if it is a percentage than every provence should get less money due to less money being available from other provences ie:alberta we are loosing jobs here too and alot of them at that!! untill I know more my opinion will be up in the air .


RS in LaSalle, QC
said

As a Conservative supporter I would vote against this budget as well. There's absolutely nothing Conservative about it!


Mark
said

How can people from the rest of Canada actually say that Danny Williams has not done anything for the province of Newfoundland? He is actually standing up for the people of that wonderful province and it's about time. They should get what they are entitled to. When people from provinces like Ontario and B.C. kick up about some issue complaining about not getting this or that you rarely see people kick up about that. Newfoundland is finally standing up for itself and making its voice heard.
GO DANNY GO!!!


Tim
said

So Newfoundland wants 0% unemployment (who doesn't?), all of its oil and gas revenue and still receive massive handouts from Ottawa at the expense of other provinces? What a deal!

What a whiner Williams has become.


Gunnar
said

There is such a thing as the big picture.

If you take a medication which upsets your stomach, but cures your lung infection, it's better for you as a whole. And it's not like you can replace your lungs with a happy stomach.

Maybe Newfoundland is getting the upset stomach. But the welfare of Canada as a whole isn't determined necessarily by how Newfoundland feels about it. Man up. If the budget isn't good for the *country*, vote it down. If you have a better solution, propose it. But quit whining that the strong medicine makes you feel bad.


Denis
said

The NFLD Liberals should be allowed to vote against the budget to show support for their province, but the budget still need to pass.


Tired of whiners
said

As an Ontarian, I'm tired of supporting other provinces while my roads and infrastructure crumble. As for NFLD, tough it up and get off the dole on your own, or get out.


Jason
said

Bryce Code, Calgary says
I thought Newfoundland was now a "have" province?

Thats the entire issue Bryce, we WERE going to be a have province but Harper wants to stop that in order to get back at Danny Williams.

And to the posters criticizing NFLD, our problems have always been linked to treatment of NFLDers by the mainland Canada. For years we have been Ontario's raw materials pit and Quebec has been siphoning off our hydro industry while the feds turn a blind eye because god forbid you irritate Quebec.

Learn more about our history before making up BS. As for those saying we should manage are resources better, all I can tell you is that this is what this entire issue is about. In order to manage our resources we have to own them and thats what the feds keep screwing us on. We want just what Alberta has enjoyed for decades.

Is that so hard?


Gail (Hamilton)
said

Ah, I just love these divide to conquer squabbles. I WANT CANADA TO SUCCEED, not those who continue to make victims of themselves and others to constantly scare people to garner votes. Typical manifesto tactics.


Chris08
said

So this is what Canada has become!! You strike a side deal with one member of the family just so you can screw the other for not supporting you. I'm so proud of my country, aren't' you? Remember don't speak bad of your government, cause they WILL seek revenge. God bless Zimbabwe and President Robert Mugabe, oops sorry, I meant Canada and Prime Minister Stephen Mugabe....


Mary in Calgary
said

These representatives have every right to dissent; as long as they are certain it represents the views of the majority of their constituents.
Of course Danny Williams is going to fight to keep every penny by trying to get the best deal he can. The resources are Canada's, however; at least that's what Alberta has always dealt with. The trick is to walk that fine line between keeping the industry financially viable, (particularly in tough times) and helping the rest of the country financially at the same time. Other provinces will also pop up and do well and help everyone else out in time; look at how well Saskatchewan is doing lately.
Mr. Williams must realize that gripe or not, it's an enviable financial position to be in. If you want to be part of Canada, as it's set up right now, you have to pay the piper or swallow the medicine.


Edmonton John
said

Liberals should be allowed to vote freely on the budget.

It will likely still pass, but Ignatieff maybe should hold off on the Whip this early in his administration.

He has made his position known. Frankly, it makes sense for him and is working out very well.

Allowing a free vote will only enhance the outcome, though it will not likely change it.

Enough Liberals probably feel the same as Ignatieff and feel that this budget is a good Liberal budget with a couple of flaws that can be ironed out. Meanwhile it is a millstone,or worse, an albatross around Harper's neck.

The current imbalances can be dealt with in session and used to club Harper with while Ignatieff plays the white knight.

Total win-win for the Liberals, and quite bleak for Harper unless he's got another trick up his sleeve.


Mark from Brampton
said

What will Danny do next election? Run an ABCL (Anybody but Conservatives & Liberals) campaign? or the JGMTNL (Just Give Money To Newfoundland) campaign?


Nicole
said

Seems Danny boy doesn't know how to play nice in the sand box. I want your toys for decades, but finally gets his own and doesn't want to share. As far as Iggy muzzling his MP's what do you think the coalition was? Do you honestly believe every single Liberal MP was in favour of the coalition, but had to sign the document anyway? The Conservatives only need a handful of votes to pass the budget anyway, so I'm sure they will allow a token few to vote no in protest. Now how can we vote NL and Quebec out of Canada? We could take on Quebec's debt and still be ahead by not giving them their massive transfer payments. The fact that they are a have not province after all the money that's been pumped into that province, plus all their natural resources indicates to me their socialist society does not work unless you have Daddy Warbucks supporting you.


Mary in Calgary
said

Nicole - There's more than a grain of truth in your post. Necessity is the mother of invention.


The Other Lowell in BC
said

I suppose there is a trade-off between party support and regional support. I think it is right for the nfld MP to support his constituents but at the same time be true to his liberal values and principles which means supporting the leader to some degree. Otherwise why run as an liberal. Just be an independent. I think Iggy is intelligent enough to understand the dynamics of this and would not do as Harper did and throw someoune out of the party because they didn't do what he said. That is not democratic way of thinking or acting.


nber
said

Think about it, do you think Ont. Liberal MP's are going to vote againest this budget??? And how many are needed to pass the budget???
Keep singing Danny!!!


From the East
said

To Bryce Code, Calgary

"I thought Newfoundland was now a "have" province? It is still acting like a have-not with its hand firmly outstretched."

Yes, Newfoundland is now considered a "have" province and no longer benifits from equalizatin payments. Unlike Alberta, Newfoundland resources, namely oil, falls under federal control and Newfoundland recieves payments for a percentage of the oil revenues based on the 1985 Atlantic Accord. This is what Danny is fighting for, not equalization payments. I would love to see Alberta reaction if Ottawa put those same conditions on their oil revenues.


Dave from Barrie
said

Well at least someone else remembers Mulroney's destruction years. Harper is not far from taking us down that same road. Raping the middle class with taxes after spending us into unmanageable debt. Stop him before it's too late.


Chris White, Corner Brook NL
said

I love reading these posts, just because it makes me proud that I have a brain that I actually use before I spout off verbal diaherea as can be found here.
NL is justifiably upset that "our" Prime Minister has broken yet another written contract. Whether is it $1.5 billion or $1.50 for a large double double, the point is Mr. Harper cannot be trusted and should any other riding or province have the testicular fortitude to stand up to the tyrant they will be punished as well. Hopefully some of our blue to the bone Republican/Reform/Conservatives will eventually see the light of day.


WestofTheRockies
said

For well over 50 years Canada has been sending money to Newfoundland and this is why they have this attitude of entitlement. The Liberal hack thinks he's even more entitled because not only is he from Nowfoundland he's also a Liberal.

Newfoundland is like the spoiled child who now with a good income still lives at home and contributes nothing, but expects to have their own way in everything and be supported as before!

You have wealth now from oil, so why should the rest of Canada continue to contribute at the same rate as before. Your Premier had a choice, the old agreement or the NEW agreement. He read both and said I want the old one AND all the benefits of the new one.

Sorry pal, but it doesn't work this way. Confederation is a two way street. If your not going to contribute anything now as a HAVE Province how about a simple THANK YOU for all the past help and just a bit of humility!


Quit your snivelling!!!



D Collins
said

It's time for people to realize that the biggest winner by far in this budget is Ontario. It is home to the largest "transfer payment" the federal payroll in Ottawa. Prime Minister Harper's expansion of spending is (once again) increasing the size of the Federal government to the benefit of the Ontario Taxpayer. It's time for the Province of Ontario to realize that the biggest winner in confederation has been Ontario - frequently to the detriment of other provinces - and a not insubstantial amount is the economic spin offs of the Federal government's presence there.


James from Vancouver
said

There are all sorts of problems with this budget. As Canada does not need an election right now nor a coalition government; Ignatieff was right to support the budget and underline the fact that the Liberals were voted in by Canadians as the Official Opposition, not the government. Policy changes need to come from the Conservatives not the other parties, by these Liberals not voting for the budget it seems that they were probably given permission to do so in order to address some of the holes in the policy. It's all good for the Liberals and all good for the Conservatives as they get to continue governing.

And Jack and Gilles have been sidelined.


Rod (Calgary)
said

Jason wrote: "And to the posters criticizing NFLD, our problems have always been linked to treatment of NFLDers by the mainland Canada. For years we have been Ontario's raw materials pit and Quebec has been siphoning off our hydro industry while the feds turn a blind eye because god forbid you irritate Quebec.

Learn more about our history before making up BS. As for those saying we should manage are resources better, all I can tell you is that this is what this entire issue is about."

Jason I suggest you study your own history. It was Joey Smallwood (Premier of NFLD) who signed your resource deal with Quebec. It was not the government of Canada. Also every province has control of it's natural resources however the provinces that border Oceans have to share with the rest of Canada on those resoruce revenues coming from the ocean floor. NFLD wants to sign all of these trade deals but when there is a down turn then wants to ignore them. Danny quit the whinning and 'suck it up buttercup'.


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