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CTV Newsnet: Governor General Michaelle Jean delivers the speech from the throne
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CTV Newsnet: David Docherty, Wilfrid Laurier University, examines the importance of deficit spending
CTV Newsnet: Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff explains why he is going to wait for the budget
CTV Newsnet: Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe reacts to the throne speech
CTV Newsnet: Economists Don Drummond and Patricia Croft
CTV Newsnet: Errol Mendes, University of Ottawa on the message the throne speech sent
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Date: Mon. Jan. 26 2009 7:40 PM ET

The Conservative government is promising a six-point economic plan to stimulate the ailing economy, Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean outlined in the speech from the throne on Monday.

Harper's Conservative government said it must act swiftly and deeply to stave off economic disaster -- in sharp contrast to its message just a few weeks earlier that Canada would escape recession and post a budget surplus.

The plan calls for injecting stimulus into the economy through public and private investment -- including immediate cash for infrastructure

"In these uncertain times, when the world is threatened by a struggling economy, it is imperative that we work together, that we stand beside one another and that we strive for greater solidarity," Jean said in a bleak statement that made references to the Great Depression.

The speech from the throne opens the 40th parliament and sets out the government's blueprint for the upcoming parliamentary session. The speech, which Jean delivered at 2 p.m. ET, comes just a day before the government unveils its long-awaited budget.

Details of the speech included promises to:

  • stimulate the economy through direct government action and by encouraging private expenditure
  • invest in infrastructure
  • protect stability of financial systems
  • give access to credit for consumers and businesses
  • support industries that Canadians rely on: forestry, manufacturing, automotive, tourism, agriculture

"Our government is acting to protect the vulnerable: the unemployed, lower-income Canadians, seniors, Aboriginal Canadians and others hit hardest by the global economic recession," said Jean, in words that seemed to be aimed at appeasing the opposition Liberals.

However, the speech made little reference to permanent Tory tax cuts for middle-class Canadians, which the Grits say would throw the country into a spiral of deficit spending.

The Liberals have also warned the Conservatives that they are prepared to vote against the budget if it doesn't serve the best interests of the country.

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has repeated in past weeks that his party's support for the budget is contingent on whether it takes swift action on the economy, and that it protects Canada's most vulnerable.

Ignatieff: Will their actions match their words?

Following the throne speech, Ignatieff told reporters he will not make a snap decision after Tuesday's budget is revealed. He said he will consult with his caucus after the budget is delivered and won't announce a decision until Wednesday morning.

Ignatieff noted an "extraordinary contrast" in the language of this throne speech compared with one the government delivered several months back.

While he called the autumn statement "partisan and divisive," he said Monday's speech talked about "reaching across the divide and finding non-partisan solutions -- and some particularly charming words about protecting the vulnerable, saving jobs today and creating jobs tomorrow."

"Where have I heard that language before?" said the Liberal leader, in an apparent jab at the Tories taking a page from the Liberals. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Ignatieff added, however, that there is a "problem of trust" when it comes to Harper's Conservatives.

"This government appears to have a split personality. One time it uses one language, the other time it uses another. And our difficulty as the official opposition is figuring out who to believe, which government to believe, which language to believe and we'll have to find out when the proof of the pudding is delivered tomorrow in the budget."

Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe on Monday echoed Ignatieff, saying he will wait to see the budget before deciding whether to support it. He has stated in past weeks, however, that he doubts the fiscal document will meet the needs of Quebec.

NDP Leader Jack Layton said that his party will vote against the budget because Harper is untrustworthy and will soon ditch the softer tone for a "my way or the highway" approach.

Difficult years ahead

The government warns that Canadians will face a difficult year -- "perhaps several difficult years." But it promises to spend what is necessary to stimulate the economy and to invest what is necessary to protect Canada's future prosperity.

The throne speech was just four pages long -- a mere one-fifth of the length of the government's November throne speech -- and focused almost exclusively on the economy. But it does add that the government will also attend to "other important priorities that it set out" in its earlier throne speech, including:

  • Senate reform
  • scaling back on government spending
  • criminal justice and environmental policy

The speech followed a week-long series of budget details that the government has been strategically leaking over the past week.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty will deliver the budget on Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET. The Tories need the Liberals to support the budget in order to survive.

Earlier Monday, Transport Minister John Baird announced the budget will include $7 billion for infrastructure projects -- with an emphasis on getting "shovels in the ground as soon as possible.

The Conservative government is also dedicating $1 billion for a green infrastructure fund, and $2 billion for construction and repairs at colleges and universities across the country.

Errol Mendes, a policy expert at University of Ottawa, said Monday's throne speech marks a sharp shift for the Conservatives and is an attempt to be conciliatory after last year's political wrangling.

"I think what we heard today was basically the Harper government trying to recover from its near death experience that it went through last November and December," he told CTV Newsnet Monday afternoon.

"I think what they're trying to do is set the table for at least the Liberal party to say, 'we can hold our nose and pass (the budget).'"

However, Medes pointed out that the permanent tax cuts were left out of thee speech, so it's hard to tell if the Tories are really prepared to work with the other parties.

Mendes said that the proposed tax cuts have raised the ire of the Liberals, who believe that any permanent rollback could put the country's finances into "structural deficit."


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Vince in NB
said

needs more money for post-secondary education !!


mario
said

anyone one else think that Canada should have it's own head of state instead of the queen. i am neither for and against, I would like to see people's reaction more than anything...


RobO
said

I agree more money for Post -Secondary Education is needed, but since I don't have any kids, it shouldn't come out of my taxes!!

If your child goes to a post secondary education, then the parents or the child should be on the hook not joe the tax payer.

It's about time this country woke up and smell the coffee, the Canadian Taxpayer should not be on the hook for everything!



Peter in Ottawa
said

What we need is an elected majority, therefore our only hope is a gov't defeat with a new election.

Total disater oucome = a coalition granted by GG.

What I expect is gigantic spending on a Liberal-supported budget, with little to no +ve impact to economy, because whatever Canada does won't make any difference to economic conditions.

So I'll just hope for tax breaks - about the only good thing I can see coming from this


Ryan Bennett
said

I think the GG (Queen) works just fine as a head of state. why change something that's always been there and always has worked. Besides taxpayers pay less for the GG than they would if we had a President.


Craig in Calgary
said

Mario - I am of the opinion that having the Queen as our head of state is a good thing.

In an era of evolution and change, it is always nice to remind ourselves of where we came from. Also, we are still part of the Commonwealth and such have special ties with other former colonies.

People like to moan and complain but really, the position is ceremonial and symbolic.

Let's leave it be. It's not broken so why fix it.


KW, Alberta
said

Mario,

I've always believed there's still a place for the crown and therefore the Governor-General's office in Canada. It's what makes us unique and keeps us different from the other nations on the continent, especially that rather large one to the south of us.

Sure, constitutional monarchy to some represents some sort of elitist rule... That's a fair point. But whether we have a monarchy or a president... President does not automatically equal "free and democratic"... Just ask the Americans who just saw the end of Dubya's long eight years. Or the people in Central America whose Presidents have usually also carried the rank of "General" or "Colonel". The title doesn't matter, it's the office holder's attitude towards the job that makes the office more or less democratic. There's been bad Presidents AND bad monarchs.

Now i WOULD support changes to the way the Governor General is selected... Perhaps an election by the people (though I don't know what platform a person can run on for a largely ceremonial position), or maybe even election by Parliament and the provincial/territorial legislatures.


A. Opine
said

The governor general could have chosen the democratic process over a royal prerogative December 4, 2008. She had a choice. We don't appoint mannequins governor generals.

Of course, from now on we ought to give consideration to it. These royal hold-overs clearly need more curbs, if this country is to remain a democracy, even to remain a country.

Even though Harper's feelings would've been hurt, nothing more was a stake for the country. Jean had the option to say no. The option was her's, precisely to avoid prorogation being abused. She should have said no.

Imagine if the prime minister of the United Kingdom somehow managed to prorogue their parliament - to run away from a confidence vote and cling to power! It would've been huge news around the world. On the front page of papers everywhere, and the lead off story for news programs all over Canada, let alone the rest of the planet. It would've added up to an unparalleled constitutional crisis in the UK.

But for Canada's subversion of prorogation and the democratic process, the world barely took notice. The Canadian press took notice that the world barely took notice, and barely took notice in turn.

But don't be fooled, Canada. It was and remains a huge crisis.

I can only hope that the great coalition of the Liberals, the NDP, and Bloc Quebecois will stand up for Canada and defeat the illegitimate conservative minority government as soon as possible and show Canadians and the world that minority governments here do not prorogue parliament to avoid a vote of confidence and get away with it.

The heck with present opinion polls.


VLH in Edmonton
said

I am not a Conservative, but I hope the Liberals will not bring down the government right now. I do not want to have a coalition or a new election during these times of global economic uncertainty.

That said, I hope that Harper is not planning to spend huge amounts of our money on throw-away projects.

So, we will have to wait until tomorrow and see what transpires.


Al
said

Mario, we Definitely need our own head of state and no longer the queen. I don't care it's the "tradition", we are a mockery worldwide for having an incomplete democracy. In the 21st century, there shouldn't be any ties or strings to the Royal/Monarch system at all. I'm all for either a Republic or Parliamentary with ELECTED head of state.
And we have to reform the Senate system for sure!
I don't think I will see that happening in my lifetime (and I'm young), as we are always slow to break from "tradition" in this country :(


mario
said

Craig,

what concerns me is the lack of check and balances that we have in our system.

back in december I was a little distraught with the lack of courage the GG took. A president grants us more political stability (anytime a corporation evaluates a project political risk comes to play and I am pretty sure that the recent minorities and decembers events have hurt us)

don't get me wrong i think the american system is way too heavy and costly to be really effective, but having a GG is writting a blank check to a politician to basically do whatever he/she wants, would any of you do that? we don't have a real overseerer of the PMO, and we need it.

Just in case someone starts going off on me in here: I have been a liberal all my life, BUT trust me I was no Dion fan. Rather have a centrist liberal party to strick a balance between left and right, rather than a guy who lives in an ivory tower, and this from a staunch supporter of the party...

maybe a president, but no party affiliation for any candidate, that should help!!!




Dan from Northern Ont.
said

We need an elected leader in my opinion. The Prime Minister is the closest to that (when there's a majority), however, in minority situations, it becomes apparent that we need an independent leader with the people's backing to manage parliament.


Save Canada
said

Mario, we should be proud of our heritage as a Constitutional Monarchy. I know many people think our system is out of date but you know when it comes right down to it the system works really well when we need it.


Stop beating around the bush
said

The people who want the Queen to be the head of state for Canada aren't interested in building an impartial democracy.


KW
said

I would love to see some original and radical thinking about how to stimulate the economy, rather than Canada always parroting the US solutions - which I don't believe will work.

There is a combination of factors that created this mess, and rather than acting too quickly and making the situation worse, the government needs to take a longer view and determine what will be most beneficial in the long term.

Actions rooted in panic are not going to produce the most efficient solutions, even short-term.

So far, I have not heard any of these "leaders" talking sensibly about the economic situation. Mainly because we don't have any "leaders" in government.

I think we are in deep trouble, as a country and as part of the global network.


Marcel
said

For the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance who were saying that the economic situation was fine during the election campaign, they now look very incompetent. Therefore, the opposition must defeat this government at the first opportunity they have.


Steve in Fredericton
said

I don't think the Harper government could possibly do more to appease the Liberal concerns/demands without completely rolling over. I believe the PM's approach to the financial crisis is appropriate and proportioned accurately. If this budget is voted down and the government falls, it will be soley because the Opposition (and the NDP and BQ) are putting parochial Party interests above the welfare of Canadians.


Alan
said

When one looks at the gridlock in the US between the competing levels of the federal government (The House, the Senate, the President) it is a case of spare me and appreciating our Constitutional Monarchy. This thing played out the way it should have. The GG acted in a prudent manner for the good of the country and her decision should not be construed as a reason to change our system. It works.




GWinnipeg
said

What about protection for individuals working in government-funded NPOs and NFPs?


AH
said

More money for education, childcare,healthcare, and a change in energy policy to match the USA


Raymond in Regina
said

Tax cuts are not the answer, can I ask you if you saved 50 - $100/mo what are you going to do with that money in this economic rough patch? Most likely save it. Therefore how does that help our current economy.

With the current spending they are talking about infrastructure, we will be in a HUGE deficit. Without those tax dollars as revenues how are we going to get out of it? Cuts to Health Care? Cuts to Education? Cuts to future infrastructure spending? Which ones is it going to be? If cities and provinces had to come up with matches in the infrastructure spending although we got our personal income taxes cut, what about our property taxes? our provincial taxes? They will probably go up. I'm sorry, I am in the middle class position but do you want to leave this to our generation 5 years from now and possibly the future generation to try to get out of 10 yr and 15 years from now?


Rod
said

A. Opine stated that: "The governor general could have chosen the democratic process over a royal prerogative December 4, 2008. She had a choice. We don't appoint mannequins governor generals.

Of course, from now on we ought to give consideration to it. These royal hold-overs clearly need more curbs, if this country is to remain a democracy, even to remain a country.

Even though Harper's feelings would've been hurt, nothing more was a stake for the country. Jean had the option to say no. The option was her's, precisely to avoid prorogation being abused. She should have said no."

There is nothing undemocratic about prorogation. That is one of her choices. You lefties really are something. It is not undemocratic to form a coalition (and you are correct) but it is also not undemocratic for the GG to suspend Parliament on the advise of her Prime Minister. You only think it is undemocratic when it goes against the left. Go figure.



Alex (Toronto)
said

Tax cuts plus federal deficit equals personal savings and personal debt reduction, not economic stimulus. We need whole new jobs, not a few extra bucks in the pockets of people who are already working. Putting a few dollars into your RSP or on your credit card will make almost no difference when whole communmities and industries die out due to financial instability. For people to have jobs, we need stable employers, and that requires stable markets and customers.

The people have already spoken. The Conservatives certainly aren't going to get more seats today than they were able to take from Stephane Dion. I hope that Harper has figured out how to count and that his budget does not again try to favor the comfortable over the jobless, homeless, and helples. If the Conservatives are unable to govern, some other party or group of parties will have to form a different government that can solve the country's economic problems.


Kerry Jones
said

More money for the low income and working poor. If you give me 100.00, I spend it in Canada. We poor spend the money in our Cities and Towns. If you give it to mid to high income tax people. They spend it in resorts a around the world. So give it to the poor.


Doug BC
said

To "mario"'s question about the head of state,I agree we don't really need the queen.But I have no problem with a largely symbolic reminder of who the founding nations were.If I was able to recommend a change to the way we run our government,I would start by bringing in a democratic Senate,and giving real "rep by pop" to ALL regions in Canada.Our problems with our system run much deeper that the symbolism of the queen.She has nothing to do with the lack of democracy in Canada.That is only about our inability to reconcile regional differences and Trudeau's il conceived patriation of the constitution without dealing with the Senate,and without including Quebec.We can have democracy,but not until we can agree amongst ourselves what that should look like.
If you want to spend more money on post secondary education four your kids,you will be better served by lower taxes.You can then afford to pay for it.As it stands now,only foreign students pay the full cost of these schools.Taxpayers already foot the lions share of those bill too.The same is true of day care.
We must stop asking government to do everything for us.They have NO MONEY of their own.Give ours back and let us take care of our own business.It falls into the category of "personal responsibility".I paid for my kids.You pay for yours.


G.G. and Queen not Canadian!
said

Well interesting comments here.

Lets get rid of G.G. and the senate, we would save billions and inject the money in our economy.

We sinmply don't need them and we don't need any reminder of U.K. for that price, we have plenty of photos!

Live in the present not the past! Do the USA have a G.G. and they are doing just fine!

Forget any elected G.G. or senate, it will never happend trust me!






James - Eh!
said

Gilles Duceppe understands Harper. The tone has changed, but has the plan?The priorities of the Harper government are still those from the last throne speech, which ultimately led to Mr. Harper running to the GG. to save his skin.

We'll see what's in the budget, but if the stimulus package is tied to local municipalities matching funds, Harper has to go. Where are the matching funds going to come from?
Therefore Harper wil be injecting nothing in stimulus. Its just more smoke and mirrors by Harper.


Dave T
said

The Liberals admitting publically that they are more in line with the NDP and BQ than they are with the Conservatives is political suicide. The NDP is horrendously left wing and the BQ are the BQ. The conservatives and liberals are the only mainstream parties and to ally with the fringe players reduces the libs to a fringe player. So they will support the budget.

Meanwhile, they will whine and scream and make sure that there is gobs of spending on random programs making big government. Then be completely dismayed and shocked that there is a deficit. It's just political optics. Either the conservatives or the liberals would be throwing out a similar budget right now.

The unfortunate part is that the recession is a global thing. And I strongly doubt that Canada has the ability to spend its way out. Truthfully, our way out of the recession is for the US to get out of theirs and buy our products again, and for global commodity prices to go up.

This infrastructure spending is fine though. Rather than sending people EI cheques, we will pay them to make us some new roads and stuff. Either way, it's going to cost the govt money so might as well get some stuff built. But regardless of the budget, we are going to be in a recession until the world as a whole comes out.

Regardless of whether it was the Conservatives or the Liberals, either way, we'd be a recession right now. All of the smoke and mirrors about how this is the conservatives fault just makes the other parties look naive and uneducated. Unfortunately it diminishes my confidence in the government even more if that was possible.


Christopher LaHaise, Ottawa
said

I'm fine with a constitutional monarchy. It sets us apart from our neighbours to the south. Additionally, I'm fine with a coalition government - a number of other nations have had to deal with such, and it tends to make for a very balanced government, since the group in charge has to work together with the other political parties, instead of being able to do anything they want. Cooperation means more gets done. It is very, very unlikely we'll see a majority government in the near future.


Dan
said

Well, they Bloc/NDP/Liberals wanted masive amounts of spending so now they have it. The outcome is for all of us to dig deeper into our pockets and produce more taxes. This spending does not come for free. I will never vote for the Bloc/NDP/Liberal party again in my life.

Nufsaid!


Mac in Winnipeg
said

This 'stimulus package' is an excuse for the Conservatives to reward their Conservative supporters with fat contracts.

Harper is only thinking of saving his own bacon, and the only way he can do that is by 'buying' his base off with income tax cuts.

This is sad. Really sad. Pathetic really.

Watch for it tomorrow.


GG
said

I think it would be a good idea for Canada to consider voting diectly for its Prime Minister as opposed to the current defacto leader of the prevailing party. I think the current GG plays a symbolic independent role at times like this , where it is valued, rather than a partisan elected official. We should count our blessings.

This matter will all be determined in the nuts and bolts of the budget. There are 2 things to consider...whats in the budget and does the opposition have confidence in the Government that they indeed will deliver what they promise and secondly what is missing from the budget. We will know more after the budget about any tax provision changes. It would seem that huge deficits and plus tax relief = serious spending cuts on non stimulus programs and services to offset the huge deficit incurred to stimultate our weakened economy..those spending cuts may not be outlined in the budget but the math suggests something has to give to stay out of long term/permanent deficits/debt. I am wondering if Canadians will like any of those cuts to their services and programs? I think the stimulus part of the budget will be as effective as a stimulus package can be..it will be the other aspects about the budget that will determine its survival. How will this deficit spending be paid off ? and how will that be acheived if the government is also providing tax relief ? What specific targeted spending programs and services wil be cut ? Will that be disclosed in the budget ? And the ultimate question is whether the opposition has regained any confidence in this government. Was the throne speech empty rhetoric or a new way of cooperation in a minority govt.


Vito in Montreal
said

I say if we can consider eliminating fighting from professional hockey then considering a change in how we are governed or how our govenrment is elected should be a cake walk.


Raurie, Ontario
said

I am so tired of hearing "give it to the low income". Do they not get enough tax credits already. Let's count them, Child Tax Benefit, National Child Tax Benefit, they get a GST credit, Universal Child Care Benefit, Working Income Tax Benefit, Day care subsidy, Interest relief on student loans. Don't forget the middle class pay for the OHIP premium and they don't. When is it our turn?? I think it is time for us, the middle class, to get a damn break. It is our money that is being continously given to the low income. Time for baby to grow up, the child support has to come to an end. I pay more and longer for the low income, than my ex husband payed for child support.


John E
said

Harper says they must act swiftly. Swiftly like let's take two months off to save our political skins. If we could wait two months what's another six week election campaign to turf these guys out?


michael metcalfe
said

When the GG left parliament, she shook hands with 4 people(on screen): the PM, Senate Conservative leader, Chief of Defence Staff and Ret. General Rick Hillier????


Steve V
said

Weird, I've heard Harper say the same thing. This budget will be ugly. To get the GG to repeat the same things over again...uhmmm Wath a big waste of money. Now all levels of governement are gonna fight to get their money. I'll be laughing!!!


West is completly in left field about the senate!
said

We will not accept any elected senate or G.G. We can get rid of it instead.

We only need one elected government to run our country, Canada. If the West is unhappy with it then you can form your own country and elect as many level of govenment as you wish in your country.

We don't need more government, more lected politicians, we need less!

Maybe we should decentralize and give the power to each province.




simon
said

I agree with some folks here.

Canada needs to become a Republic.
Get rid of the G.G.
Abolish the Senate.
Save some money in the process.


Brian in Edmonton
said

I welcome a tax break for the middle class.
We have been carrying the load for the rest of you for too long.



Dave in Surrey
said

I wonder if there will be any plan for repayment of the debt Harper is giving us?

I won't hold my breath that he has that much figured out but I know I don't go into debt with out figuring out how I am going to repay it...


RG
said

Same old rhetoric from the brainpower bankrupt opposition parties. This is a budget for Eastern Canada who has been at the Federal government pig trough since the 60's. For some reason they still can't get past the fact that governments don't create jobs or stimulate the economy by infusing cash into it; it's tax cuts to increase consumer confidence and spending and the like. I guess this is a leftover political dogman from the neo-communist Trudeau era; where the government spends liberaly and creates nothing more than a paper socialist utopia. The social benefits vampires and provinces and municipalities who have mismanaged their budgets should be pleased. The reaction by the opposition is hilariously predictable and the continued talk of a coalition shows just how out of touch these morons are with Canadians outside of their bases in Quebec and Toronto.


A Loyal Canadian
said

The Governor General was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT to prorogue Parliament rather than allow an act of sedition to succeed.

If you don't understand our system of constitutional government, learn about it before you mouth off.



GinetteG
said

The Quebec province needs more doctors and better conditions for Health Care. As for education, I do not have children, so I am not interested in contributing for something that I don't have. Can't you see that Health programs are pitiful and deserves attention.


Steve in Ottawa
said

Harper will do anything to maintain his power by buying votes lying and cheating canadians. 3 months ago he said there was no economic problems in our great country, he promised us a surplus, now we have a 64 BILLION dollar deficit. He promised open and transparent government (have we seen it yet??) where is it? Shame on you Steve. Does your nose grow a lttle each name you lie to Canadians


Alberta Believer
said

The only thing that's being stimulated here is the growth of the federal debt. We need tax cuts, and spending reductions. As for changing our system, bollocks! The reason why its not getting done is because it requires constitutional change which has chewed up PMs going back to Trudeau, Mulroney and even Paul Martin who got the rug pulled out from under him when he proposed to do so back in the 2005 election campaign.

Our system works fine. If you don't like it move. If you think it doesn't work that well, get involved politically. Join a party or something. But this idea that we need to be a republic because you don't like the Queen or your extremists politics aren't represented enough is just crap!

We have a first past the post system which indicates where the country is trending which is the best thing you can do when you have as many people and views out there as does Canada. Even in America today, 47% of the country voted against Obama and atleast 40% voted against his Congressional allies. You think their great republic isn't divided?

And to you Greens out there... what can I say. Put yourself in a province or region like the Tories, Grits and NDP did before you and then will you start sending members to the house. This is a continental size country. You need a regional base to show up on the map. In 1993 the Tories not Reform or the Bloq got the second largest number of votes nation wide. The Tories got 2 seats that year whereas Reform and the Bloq regionally based parties got 50 some odd seats a piece.


WS
said

Economic stimulus

"O what fooles these mortals be..."


Dan
said

To: Raymond in Regina

Raymond, let me answer a few of your questions/concerns.

First:
"can I ask you if you saved 50 - $100/mo what are you going to do with that money"

I am going to save it. I just opened a TFSA the other day eventhough in todays economy, (mine) I can't afford it. I am going to try to save some of my taxes as I am middle class and I personal can't afford the current taxes, my family suffers. I have not been on a vacation in over 15 years, (that's right, 15 years).

Second:
"Therefore how does that help our current economy."

As a middle class, I have been working paycheck to paycheck for more then 30 years. I have never bought a "new" car. Do you know why? A: Because I can't afford it, it would make my family suffer even more.

Third:
"Cuts to Health Care? Cuts to Education? Cuts to future infrastructure spending?"

If it is Cuts like the ones you stated above you are looking for then the answer is simple. Vote Liberal! They are the party that cut all of these programes during the 10+ years they were in power.

I know I didn't answer all of your points but these are key for me.


RG
said

Getting rid of the Gov Gen and reference to the Queen would do more to bring Canada together and help define us. As it now stands we have no personal identity beyond, a misplaced smugness that we are somehow better than Americans, Hockey, loonies", "twoonies", Tim Hortons, Terry Fox and the Canada Arm. No wonder we are the laughing stock of the world AEhhhh.


William
said

Harper didn't cause the crisis, but he did break the solution. Harper inherited a $12 billion surplus from the Liberals and used it to bribe Canadians with cheap party favors in exchange for their vote.

Hope everyone is enjoying their extra $100 - it's brought us right back to another era of Conservitive CAUSED defecit and social program spending cuts.


GaryW
said

"anyone one else think that Canada should have it's own head of state instead of the queen. i am neither for and against, I would like to see people's reaction more than anything..."

I was born in this country under the monarchy. What is wrong with tradition?


Al
said

Anyone who supports a coalition please give your head a shake. Lets give a Democratically elected government a chance to govern before we try to replace it with a puppet government controlled by the separatists. If you don't like the government in power you have a vote. You may not like what Harper has to say but he was elected. The coalition is not elected.


RAV
said

A reminder to the posters here. Unless you put your savings under the mattress your savings go into the financial system and become capital available for investment. Thus your savings create jobs, etc.

Second the role of the GG is now primarily a ceremonial position. She relieves the prime minister of many ceremonial functions that a president would have to perform. She does have this one significant responsibility and that is to be an arbiter in difficult times thus avoiding the problems of many European and third world countries. Her position is a blessing to our form of democracy.



Red X
said

To the fiscal conservatives; What do you think about Harper budgeting $64 billion plus in
Deficits/cumulative Debt to keep conservatives in power?

The 3 pages of throne speech take liberal words but is an example of a 2 faced government. What ever happened to "my way or the high way" and kicking your opponents when they are down?(sarcasm)


GaryW
said

"Lets get rid of G.G. and the senate, we would save billions and inject the money in our economy.

We simply don't need them and we don't need any reminder of U.K. for that price, we have plenty of photos!"

A parliamentary system needs two houses. It also requires a head of state. So, what do we do, elect a 'President'?

Also, what is wrong with tradition?


Philip in Nelson BC
said

You know what I would like to see in the budget. Less deficit spending. Watching the Conservatives wipe out 15 years of paying down the debt is quite hard. Also, how is it that the Liberals can balance the budget when oil was $23 a barrel and the Conservatives can't at $47 a barrel.


Bruce
said

Funny how the "news" gets so boring before it even happens. By Obama's inauguration date I was so sick of hearing usa news I tuned out - now the same regarding our 2009 budget.

*Yawn*

All I wanna know is that I won't be left starving in the cold if I lose my job - really politicians - it is that simple - dispense with the nonsense.

For my part, I'll continue working hard 7 days a week - but as I understand, currently there are economic forces a lot bigger than me in action, so I hope that will be enough because you are not inspiring me that I am secure if I get knocked down from beyond my control and from behind my back. Do you have my back or not? Are we in this together or not?


Walter (Winnipeg)
said

Maybe this is the time to fix the unbalance of income between the government employees and the private sector, where in the private sector the average wage earner makes 17% less.


Sick of these frauds!
said

Today in afternoon, telemarketer tried to scam $1200 out of my spouse. I find myself asking myself a question why are we not doing enough to prevent frauds, greeds, theif and rip-off in today system? I find that we are not doing enough and true proof of that is our current fininical crisis today is all because of frauds and greeds!

NEW LAW SHOULD BE CREATED FOR THIS MORDERN DAY TO PREVENT TELEPHONE FRAUD, EMAIL FRAUD, BANKS FRAUD, OIL FRAUD, GAS FRAUD, CREDIT CARD FRAUD.

It seem that it was all left out in speech. It menitoned nothing about anything that really affecting daily life.

Damn! I saw throne speech from UK recently.... Damn! I was impressed with how much detailed it is.

This is all wrong and I demand that Liberal bring them down! Bring our true Parlianment back!


Bill
said

James - EH! is correct the only one that really got this Speach from the Throone was Gilles Duceppe. When Duceppe said Why not just reread the last speach from the throne he wasn't just making a joke he was dead serious. Don't expect anything new from Harper he thinks he won a majority, and even with all this cooperative "Tone" there is nothing new Tomorrow will be the day when reality will hit us and probably damn hard.


N Eyolfson
said

Do Canadians, the Liberal, Bloc Quebecois and NDP parties in particular really want to follow in the foosteps of Iceland where the coalition government has collapsed? Mr. Ignatieff, Mr. Duceppe and Mr. Layton may not like Mr. Harper and think that they might do better with the budget, but I hope they do what is in the best interest of Canada the country and not their own individual parties. This time of global economic crisis is no time for political posturing.


Kevin In Vancouver
said

I would really like to see the geographic locations for all responders. We are so regionally divided these days as Canadians. Ontarians, Quebecers and even maritimers have a real sense of entitlement. Taxpayer funded education, c'mon the population is older than it has ever been so why should seniors and families that have already paid for their childrens education pay more? Besides Vince, just borrow the money through the various student loan programs because none of you pay it back anyway.

I saw Buzz Hargrove on TV yesterday saying we need to fund the auto sector here to the tune of 1 billion dollars a year for the forseeable future and on top of that he wants us to impose
tarrifs and laws to protect the market, no wage concessions though. Just another Ontarian with his hand out.
The east has lost the fire that made this country great but the west still knows that in hard times you do with less, work harder and ride out the drought.
The last thing we need is EI for life.


Daryl
said

Personally I think we need senate reform far more than any changes to the role of head of state. I think it's far more undemocratic to have an unelected upper house that has the power to veto legislation from the elected house, than it is to have the Queen and GG as head of state.

In terms of having the Queen as head of state, it doesn't really bother me but I think the Queen and GG should be stripped of any political power they have. Even if we became a republic, we're most likely going to still have a purely ceremonial head of state with no power.

Sweden has a great system where the Monarch is head of state but has no power at all. All of the political duties including opening parliament, selecting a Prime Minister and granting Royal Assent is done by an elected Speaker of the House.



Steve from Simcoe
said

I am middle class. What will I do with the tax cut? I will just bank it. I have enough to live on and won't be spending it on extras. How many of you are thinking the same way? Since the lower income bracket does not have enough money the way it is, any tax break will immediately increase their spending which will stimulate the economy.

Everything the Harper did prior to Christmas was for self preservation. Now he is playing catchup by rallying the majority behind him at the expense of a hugh burden for the next generation. McKay did not say much. He might be going to the UN. I do not think those two get along. McKay has more balls and is better suited to be our Prime Minister.


jt
said

simon
That would not save them money.In fact it would caost more and cause more issues.


Mary in Calgary
said

I have lost faith in the Conservatives with handling our economy anymore after their last stunt.


Jamie.
said

Rod said

"There is nothing undemocratic about prorogation. That is one of her choices. You lefties really are something. It is not undemocratic to form a coalition (and you are correct) but it is also not undemocratic for the GG to suspend Parliament on the advise of her Prime Minister. You only think it is undemocratic when it goes against the left. Go figure."

I think you're absolutely right, but I think you're missing the point. Harper suspended Parliament to save his own bacon. It was not for the good of Canada to ask the GG to do so. It was purely for his party to regroup and come up with a new strategy as what he and the Conservative party were doing when they sat after the election was not working. They had no real plan to deal with the economic crisis. "Staying the course" was very obviously not a good idea, and the rest of the House apparently thought so too. Hence wanting to form the coalition, and subsequently Harper suspending parliament.


Trent
said

To all thoses who care...The GG should not hold any power as it is not an elected postion, I for one want people to be voted in to postion that can effect all citizens of this country. As it is I did not vote for 2 turkeys and a trader to run this country....Lets get to fixen things...


Ridiculous
said

Weeks leading up to the election and even right after the election, the government said that Canada was in an excellent position and should be able to repel the recession and still post a budget surplus.

Well call me stinky if I'm wrong, but those guys up in Ottawa couldn't see the big freight train coming nor could they hear it's whistle blowing saying "Deficit and Recession".

Now, I have no problem with them positing a few years of deficits to keep our economy going and helping out the average Canadian, but I'm really pissed that they lied to us.

Now that Micheal Ignatieff is the leader of the opposition, let's hope that he can keep these lame brained idiots a little more accountable when it comes to telling the truth.


The Hammer
said

I wonder how Little King Stevie Harper is going to "Protect the Stability of Financial Systems"?

Guess he'll let Big Banks and Credit Card companies up the intrest rates they already charge us. I am also amazed that he has just come to the realization that the foresty industry is in dire needs of assistance. Are our politicians that slow? None the less, what will that do for the economy? The mess we're in now is global and without markets, where will the wood producers sell their products. It's simple, most people don't have any capitol to spend, and until the consumer does have necessary capitol to spend, manufacturing industries and the like will suffer.

It's not brain science here. Unlike the government, the common people just can't go out and run up big debts with the mind-set that someone else, like the taxpayers that the government depends on, will come along and ante up what we need to pay it off down the road.

It's like the Beatles once sang...."See the fool on the hill"....but in our case, that would be fools!!!


Proud Canadian
said

There seems to be a numnber of responses to Mario, that say Canada should get rid of the GG, Senate and ties to the Queen and that Canada should fashion its government similar to the US - who they claim is doing just fine (?!?). If the US is doing so well, why is the world in the economic crisis it now finds itself in? If the US is so OK, move there. Other comments claim so much money will be saved by removing the GG and Senate, but imagine the costs of we instituted a multi-layer government (House of Reps, Senate, Congress, etc.) - it would suck each and everyone of us dry of what little we do have these days. We are Canadian - not another American state. I am a proud Canadian - taking into consideration all of our strengths and weaknesses - and would not change a thing. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN!


Joe
said

I don't follow the argument that this budget is a drastic contract to what the Conservatives said before.... hello... no doubt... did anyone else realize that the other parties almost toppled the government because of that. It's call a minority government... so now they are finding a more middle of the road approach in attempt to drum up support... again... minority government.

Guys, if you are going to call one political party to task... ensure it makes sense or you're just one more of those spin doctors that everyone is sick of hearing from.


Robin
said

Spending tax money on retraining people for future job opportunities will pay dividends when the economy recovers and is the way to go. In the mean time spending money to improve government infrastructure is also a good idea. All the political parties must get together to solve this nation's economic problem. The recovery will come only when people have jobs, money to spend and some confidence and hope in their future.


Cindy Husband
said

Everyone is quick to blame Harper. He hasn't had a chance to do anything because he's had to constantly fight the opposition. Jack Layton is on a one man crusade and could care less about the country. He wants to become the PM, which will never happen. The Liberals are in transition right now and need to take the time to regroup. Give Harper a chance. He's not a miracle worker and cannot fix things with a snap of his fingers. It's a world recession and will take time to turn around. Stop pushing the panic button people.

Canada is not in bad shape right now as far as the recession goes. There are problems with some of our industries but it will turn around. Other countries are in far worse shape than we are. Have patience and stop pointing the finger. An election right now would probably be a good thing. Then Harper could get a majority and we could finally get some stability in our government rather than squabbling children.


Greig in Manitoba
said

Great to hear some of the highlights of the upcoming Budget. To all the Liberal/NDP whiners screaming about "leaks" - It is called Government Transparency. Remember,that is what you leftys have been crying for and demanding. Now you have it and cry foul. Make up your mind!!!!


Timothy
said

My vote: dump the monarchy and make the elected Prime Minister head of state. Its time we grow up and act like adults. The monarchy in our system is a metaphor indicating we are children and Mother England is the adult over us, even if it may be symbolic condescension.


Al
said

Basically, I don't understand why so many people still think being connected to Monarchy and the Royal family is a good thing. Reasons of "differentiates us from US" is not good enough. If you look at international perspective of our political system, we are being mocked. In the 1600s it would be good to be part of a royal family, not in 21st century. This is very backwards and incomplete democracy! Even for new citizens of this amazing country, they have to "bear true allegiance" to the Queen, NOT Canada. What does that say about Canada and what we believe in.
And no, the current system doesn't work properly, just look at the last election fiasco. And IF something is working, does not mean it cannot be improved. Heck, things were "working" when people thought Earth was flat.


Tono
said

This plan is only covering half of the problem. The other half should involve cutting down on Canada's trade with the USA, in favour of growing economies such as China and the EU.

Any drop in the American economy can have a ripple effect in Canada if we unite our economies enough. Canada could potentially be dragged down with the United States in the event the American economy collapses. Considering the mass layoffs in the USA that have happened, and the rest to come, the prospect of the said collapse isn't unrealistic. It takes more than fuel to make an engine run.


Neil Peters CD2 Duncan BC
said

I keep hearing all the debates whether we should have an elected president or keep as our head of state the Governor General. To spend millions of dollars to elect a president who would have very little to say how government is run is ridculous as our Prime minister is the ruling head of Canada. Any other way for a president to be selected could not be a democratic process. Keep it the way it is saves tax payers money in the long run and as a loyal Canadian I am loyal to athe Queen and proud of it.
As for the senate, yeas I am all in favor for a change to a senate to be voted in and this should be done now to make it more a voice of the people and not a rubber stamp of the ruling party.


James - Eh!
said

What has this to do with being a republic or a democratic democracy?

If we were a republic, President Harper and his Treasury Chief Flaherty would stil have put us in the same crisis. The only difference, the elected Senate and Represenatives (their are more Lib/NDP/Bloq MP's than CPC!) would be the ones holding their feet to the fire. And just has we have seen many times to the south, when the congress doesn't like what the President is proposing, they block his spending plans and he becomes impotent.

Just as Harper is now. And just like Harper, the president gets a second kick at the can. but he would lso get a third and a fourth, or how ever many he can fit in before his 4 year term expires. At least in our system, he gets defeated, the opposition coalition can try to form a coalition or we have a fresh election, so the business of government can continue.

I think I like our democratic democracy, thanks very much.

God Save the Queen! (and the GG!)


bonniesiegfried
said

It is our tax doolars that pay for all the provincial and federal queens reps. and the upkeep of their official residences In tough economic times maybe this should be looked at and a vote taken as to whether they are really necessary Anyone out there agree?


Less is better! Bye bye senate and G.G.
said

No matter what is said here, there will be no more elected officials like G.G. or senate.

Lets do more with less not add more elected bodies that do nothing for us in our regions.




Al
said

Proud Canadian - if you love the Queen so much by your "God Save the Queen" comment, why don't you move to England then? You rather not be a full democratic nation just so that you will not be similar to US?! Do you realize that Republic is not just for US? Moreover, you can have elected "President" as head of State but still have the Prime Minister as head of Government, like so many other countries who do that.


Matt
said

All the anti GG posts are troubling.
The clear thing for the GG to do in December was to allow the government to fall, then have an election or let the coalition have a chance.

I think to suspend parliment was actually a rather shocking decision that turned out quite well.
We have a more effective opposition in the Liberals, and it looks like we'll maintain a somewhat stable government for at least a few more months.

Which I'd argue we need right now, unfortunately the Conservatives are yielding too much to the demands of the opposition IMO. I'm really not sure how much worse a budget the coalition would have provided.

Unfortunately the


DanaB Toronto
said

To Mario: Yes, I believe we should leave our system as a Constitutional Monarchy. It is our Canadian tradition and a symbol that we chose to be loyal to the Crown, rather than following the Repubs to the south. I just think, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it!'


Stew in Alberta
said

A Opine said :

"I can only hope that the great coalition of the Liberals, the NDP, and Bloc Quebecois will stand up for Canada and defeat the illegitimate conservative minority government as soon as possible."

I'm pretty sure that a party committed to the destruction of the country will not "Stand up for Canada." Secondly - a minority government is not illegitimate. Stop the foolish rhetoric.

As to the deficit financing, when the Liberals "balanced" the budget (under pressure from Reform btw), they did it by cutting funds to the provinces and municipalities. By announcing new "shovel ready" infrastructure projects, the debt is just flowing back the other way. Cities will take on less debt to complete already planned projects - so I'm skeptical about the job creation that will result.

To put $4 billion in perspective - that's about $10 million for our city of 85 000 - enough to build one hockey arena. Nice, but it won't generate a bunch of jobs.



Gail (Hamilton)
said

Did anyone actually read the promises that were actually printed above? And does anyone not believe that if the Liberals were in a minority position they wouldn't be clinging to power. Imitation isn't flattery Mr. Ignatieff, but a cute remark. Just ask two women wearing the same dress at the same function. I just want our tax monies spent wisely and trust is earned, not by changing one's mind, but by the end result. Those saying PM Harper can't be trusted must be saying the other parties can be - HA!


Aido
said

To those who want to do away with both the monarchy and the GG, we need a head of state and the PM (regardless of party) is not capable of doing that. A head of state is meant to be as above politics as possible (US aside) and is where our ceremonial and historiacal traditions are vested (that way they are not diminshed by the bad acts of a single politician).

I propose instead that all elected officials in Canada, from school boards up, elect the head of state to hold the reserve powers currently held by the GG. As you can see, in minority parliaments, having the PM (leader who commands confidence of the house) be head of state is unreliable. This also means that the criteria for a suitable GG will include real knowledge of Canadian parliamentary tradition and constitutional law. We need a referee for these situations, asnd by simply making a PM the head of state will not eliminate the conflict.

As for the second house, we need a senate or something like it. We are a federal country with regional interests that can be subsumed by majorities in other regions. Perhaps each province should have 10 senators with 6 year mandates, where half are re-elected every three years. They can act as a check on the Commons and could represent regional interests in a healthy and productive manner.

Easy peasy. Next problem?


fazal
said

fazal from Mississauga ;

we have to help our young generation towards their post secondary education by providing them relief as its costing them more than their expectations & spiralling continiously.This is an investment which guarantees nations prosperity


Greg, Edmonton
said

RobO, I'd prefer to be on the tax hook for post secondary education as this generally leads to brighter, more employable Canadians to take us into the future. Think of education as intellectual infrastructure. It benefits us all in the long run. Canada needs innovative minds to create wealth and employment when our fossil fuel days come to an end in another generation.


Que sera sera
said

Since everybody has a wishlist I think all the party should present a budget plan and the Canadian people will vote which one is the best.The one that make the most sense will surely get the most votes and that party will run the country.No campaigning for 2 months or whatever,no name calling,no backstabbing and wouldn't cost taxpayers $30 million.


rob d
said

I also think money for Post -Secondary Education is needed. The queens role as head of state is purely symbolic and tradition. I think we should keep this tradition as it is important to our roots to the Britain.


Al
said

DanaB - You know that Republic system is not just for USA, right? You know so many countries in the world have that... Moreover, if you don't like Republic, we could have Prime Minister, but have an ELECTED GG/President that will be head of state. You rather pay (from all tax payers') and pledge a legion to someone who you did not elect, instead of someone you/people elect? Why?
How do you know the system is not broken if you don't want to look at it. If you compare our incomplete Democracy to many of full Democratic systems in the world, yes, our system is BADLY broken. The Senate, the GG, etc.
When people thought Earth was flat, they thought 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it!'.


To Proud Canadian from Aido
said

House of Reps + Senate = Congress

House of Commons + Senate = Parliament

House of Reps/Commons = rep by pop houses

Senates = Regional representatives

Parliament/Congress = All legislative bodies in a system.

Get your facts straight before you get all frothy on stuff like this. Making our democracy more representative and opening up the highest office in the land to more than a white family living in a palace far away doesn't make us unCanadian, it makes us more grown up.


Linda in Vancouver
said

I'm in Vancouver,and I'm in favour of Senate reform because I think there is a place for "sober second though".If anything,this coalition nonsense has me even more convinced that we could use that house.But,if the only option to the Senate we have now is to abolish it,I can live with that.In fact,our Liberal premier favours abolishment as well.But what we have now is an insult to the entire democratic process.A real Senate with Senators not tied to any particular party could actually debate legislation in the merrits of the proposals.Not on which PM appointed them.And the number of Senators in Atlantic Canada is absurd when you consider how few there are from the west,with a huge population.

And last,tax cuts are a part of the stimulus plans in most other nations.The benefits are clear.Middle class people will spend most of the money,use some to pay down debt,and save some.All of which are a benefit to our economy.

As to post secondary education,I take issue with the notion that more money will do any good.Schools are like health care,no matter how much money we spend it will never be enough.In BC we are facing declining enrolments on our 1-12 classes.But there is no way the teachers union will allow the closure of schools that are now very much under populated.

Oh yes,the coalition is a fraud because the leaders of it LIED about it during the election campaign.Had they been honest,I might take a differnt view.Though it is a bit troubling to see Liberals admit they are the same as the NDP.Kind of like "NDP Lite".


Bruce
said

When is someone in the media going to ask Iggy what he thinks of Obama's plan to make broad based tax cuts for the middle class and low income earners permanent?


B. Wigglesworth - Canada
said

Agree with comment from Cindy Husband - Ignatieff doesn't have the experience or political background to guide Canada through this & somebody should tell Layton that it's the people who have lost confidence in the opposition. If the gov't is voted down then the GG should allow the Canadian people via an election to decide who should be the next gov't.


reno
said

i think that we should have an
elected senate so there is more
control over what the goverment does.
that way if you have a majority goverment they can not go hog wild.


Fraser
said

For those commenting on the fact that the Harper government was in any way shape or form dishonest about the situation that Canada was in for November and December are nothing but partisans spewing rhetoric. Oh how we forget that we had not even identified that Canada was in a full recession until the facts and figures came out in January. Gawd people love to point fingers....but remember when you are pointing there are 3 pointing back at you.


The GGs OK
said

I for one was against the appointing of a GG on the basis she was a good speaker, black and female. However, I believe the GG acted correctly in following the PMs recommendation. The only time she should do different is if he wants to do something illegal or immoral. Our imperfect system works and has been here langer than you have been alive. For those who don't like it you can leave as this is a free country.


Jim in Calgary
said

I am a Middle Class Tax payer who is very happy to be one. Why the possible cut to my tax bracket has the whole country in turoil to me is baffling. I have been paying taxes for 32 years and will continue to do so. To be totally honest I wouldn't even mind the high rates if the government would actually do something useful with them.

The thoughts that the Middle Class will just spend there tax relief in resorts and out of the country are ridiculous. The Liberals, NDP and the Bloc figure that the people who pay 90% of the bills in this country shouldn't get a thing out of this stimulus package.

Just once it would be nice if the whole country could benefit from something instead of just everyones special interest group.

I know this is just a dream but it would be so nice if just for a year or two everyone could forget about their "Party" and actually work together for the good of the country.

oh but to dream...........




Robert in Alberta
said

Hmm, only one billion in green infrastructure spending? Looks like the Alberta Tories are not going to get the $2 billion they were seeking for carbon capture and storage, which then raises the question, what exactly is going to be the environmental policy for this country?


GE
said

Comments for Bruce with respect to Obama's election campaign on broad based tax cuts for the middle/lower class..The US situation is far more grave than ours. I think the answer in the difference with Ignatieff...is that Canadians prefer not to see massive deficits and debt and the Americans- Democrats or Republicans alike seem to seem long term deficits/debt is tolerable. George W.Bush incurred additional trillions to their national debt load during his terms. And we all know what everyone thinks of that conservative based Administration- Americans and around the world alike.


willy T.
said

Having watched the "Pomp & Ceremony" and all those fat cats (MP's) yawning during the ceremony certainly tells me something....Fire the whole Lazy works ! Think of the Money ...YOUR Money, spent on this while you have people out on the street freezing and starving - something wrong with this picture i would say. It was Money or Patronage (Money) that got them in there i would guess.



Melanie Terrace,BC
said

I'm OK with the GG.We have a symbolic reminder of who the founding nations were.
But the Senate is where we need change.If it is meant to represent the regions of Canada,we should all have about the same number of Senators.It does not need to be based on population.And there is no way the PM should appoint the Senators.If we can't elect them,at least they should be chosen by people in the regions they are supposed to represent.By doing that we would remove a lot of the blatant partisanship in that house,and it might actually become something useful.
Perhaps,when things go off track in Parliament,we would trust the Sernate,as opposed to the GG to make decisions on our behalf.
One thing should be clear to all Canadians.We will never be either a democracy or a united country as long as the Senate stays the way it is.No one with more than half an ounce of brain matter,and a sense of fair play reasonably defend our existing Senate.Leaving it as is,is not an option,so let's get this fixed.
The west may,as some poster said,be out to lunch on this issue.But,we are not going to remain a colony to McGuinty or Ontario for all time.I think you can take that prediction to the bank.
Fix in now,or pay the price later.Just choose.This should haave been done when Trudeau patriated the constitution,and the west was foolish to take his word that this would be addressed in the near future.Someone lied.


End of story
said

Jack Layton = Bluster & nonsense.

Mike Ignatieff = Poker player seeking power.

Gilles Duceppes = Enemy of patriotic Canadians


Lawrence Martin
said

Let us recognize the myth of retirement and address it. No organization or government can afford to pay a 25, 50 ,75 year old when the 25 year old is the only one working, the other two are retired. Broadly stated the cost to the organization is 3 times the salary of the only productive member. Let us further qualify and recognize that "retirement" concept is a marketing tool used by those who want to take your money out of your hands and use it for their own use.


jeff
said

A coalition will put Canada into bankruptcy


Dr Heywood R. Floyd
said

We have endured Mr. Harper's reckless politics since an election in 2004 in which he became the Leader of the Official Opposition and then sadly was elected Prime Minister in a 2006 election and again in an unneeded 2008 election, both times with a Minority Government. He obtained no greater than 36% of the popular vote in both elections, a sad showing. Mr.Harper's stint in Canadian Politics has been an incomprehensible stain on an otherwise great Country. Never again will Canadians allow such an incompetent and disingenuous man to rule our nation. (Let's hope anyway).

We should never give up hope. Change is in the air globally.


Diane M.
said

Jack Layton is a fine one to talk about trust when he said that he would not consider a coalition,but was planning one before the election.Apparently honesty only applies to everyone else.


Joe C, Waterloo ON
said

I'm just pleased that the government is at least taking an interest in what the opposition has to say.


Lawrence Martin
said

During these severe economic times, it is time to bring class action law suits against unions of striking members(not the members themselves) who belong to essential services such as transportation (Ottawa Bus strike), especially when the govts don't have that courage, but the people that the govts represent have been placed through various hardships.


Gunner
said

to all these people that keep posting that Canada and it's people are a mockery worldwide for having an incomplete democracy, please show me proof of this and if you can't then give it a rest because its idiots like you that post these comments that make us look like morons on the world stage.


Steve the Pundit
said

Actually, the "Fool on the Hill" lyrics apply quite well to Jack Layton:

"Day after day, alone on the hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still.
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool.
And he never gives an answer .....

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

Well on his way, his head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices, talking perfectly loud.
But nobody ever hears him,
Or the sound he appears to make.
And he never seems to notice .....

But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.

If that doesn't describe Layton to a tee...


Unity now
said

It is no big surprise to see Big Jack already saying he is not supporting the budget! The coalition is not going to survive with the NDP and Jack leading the charge. This guy couldn't be more negative. Who the hell supports the NDP? You voted for a guy who is prepared to vote against something he knows nothing about? Not all the details are out and he never even offered anything towards the budget when the oppourtunity arose. He is acting like a 6 year old who knows he can't get his own way so he is going to throw a hissy fit and do the opposite of everyones best interest. Now you can see why the NDP never really get solid support with Taliban Jack in charge!!


If the government runs a deficit, it means PAY.
said

Taxes must be increased to balance the government's expenditure.

Raise taxes.

RAISE TAXES.


steve clarke
said

I think I'm ready for "Western Separatism".
As, recent history has shown, any government (minority or majority)will likely be ineffective, compromising, focusing primarily upon the interests of Central Canada. Let's face it - Canada as a whole nation doens't make sence!


jim from manitoba
said

lets see if the liberals have the gall to defeat the budget, we the voters are in no mood for another vote. it would be political suicide for them at the polls if the opposition voted againsts it.


no cure for cancer
said

For all those who are against more money for secondary education. That is your choice however if you are of the belief that you shouldn't have to pay for something that doesn't affect you (ie you don't have kids). Remember that one of these kids may find a cure for cancer. So why should I as a parent who paid for this child to get the education needed to find the cure. Allow you the person who refused to pay, any access to the cure.


Gunner
said

Philip in Nelson BC writes
Watching the Conservatives wipe out 15 years of paying down the debt is quite hard. Also, how is it that the Liberals can balance the budget when oil was $23 a barrel and the Conservatives can't at $47 a barrel.
Philip its easy when you steal 54 billion from the EI fund and put it towards the deficit.


Dani- Alberta
said

It would be nice to see Mr. Ignatief make up his own mind. Does he want the Conservatives to find middle ground between all parties for the good of Canadians, or does he want them to 'stick to their roots' and become the black sheep and source of all blame to strengthen the support he gets? It doesn't seem like there is much point in trying to concede on some points until he's decided.


BMIA
said

Conservatibves and Liberals in this country are so blended it's hard to tell one from the other.

Our Canadian government doesn't have a problem spending - they do that increasingly well and just spend more every year (yes, even under the Liberals). Our Canadian government excels at wasteful spending!

Of course our government has a problem with granting tax cuts! Taxes are the only way they can increase wasteful spending. The Bureaucracy is a huge drain and bites into effectiveness and economical. Too many programs with their hands out contributing to wasted spending.
The reason the globe is in such an economic mess is because of spending, and as can be seen by the so little value because of it - wasteful spending.
That's a huge problem with our government - they have never had to actually exist with hard times and economic busts like so many of us across the country have had to cope with through the years. The government just gets bigger and they always have a paycheque. Those of us who have had to weather economic crises in the past are of a sound mind to say - "let it ride! Stay out of it!" Because we know, exactly, what that's like and exzctly what's required to get out and stay out!
I surmise that the biggest headaches and the biggest problems that people have in their lives will have the government's hands all over it.
I want to have the government stop helping! They only make it worse!
Just govern the country and stay out of business and lives - they only mess it up!


Wes
said

So Ignatieff doesnt want tax cuts to middle imcome earners.

Well, talk about a slap in the face to the people who makes this country go.

Typical Liberal.....take take take and give to the poor. Funny thing is the poor rarely increase their standing.

And Jack Layton, what a goof. His party will vote against the document before even seeing it. The guy is narrow minded and hungry for power.


john from the west
said

To Bruce: Iggy will not ask Obama that he will instead get Stefan Dion to ask that question & Stefan is so out to lunch he won't understand the answer and Iggy, Jack & Gilles will be alright with that because they are all in the wonderland of OZ where only braindead people are allowed to rule and if the above group isn't braindead enough there aint no body more braindead from the buttocks up


Joyce.
said

I am proud to call myself a Canadian after having taken out Citizenship some 54 years ago. We came to Canada to be part of this country and it's heritage, which includes the monarchy and the Governor General.
Mr. Ignatief's reluctance of speaking for or against the budget after it has been presented in Parliament on Jan. 27th /09, is this not a test for him to see how much he has absorbed from the Budget speech.
Seems to me many Opposition Leaders before him have been very decisive on the response to a budget speech in the past.



Gunner
said

Al you keep going on about that Republic system is not just for USA. You made a comment to Proud Canadian telling him that if you love the Queen so much by your "God Save the Queen" comment, why don't you move to England then. Well Al if you love the Republic System so much why don't you move to the states. I'm with Proud Canadian and Neil Peters CD2 Duncan BC, I'm a member of the CF , a loyal Canadian, loyal to the Queen and proud of it.


Monica in Calgary
said

To Raurie, Ontario....before you start condeming everything that the low income people get...I used to be there and slowly worked my way up to middle class. I am a single mom who still receives a child/day care subsidy and Universal Child Care (which is available for EVERYONE with a child under six years old and we all get the same amount!!) Those of us that have BEEN THERE are grateful for the break in order to work our way up. Please don't start listing all of the benefits that us middle class people receive too! Let's get our facts straight. I do agree that EVERYONE should receive a break because we all pay taxes...and just because you go into a higher tax bracket doesn't mean we should have to just pay the higher taxes and not reap the rewards as everyone else! Fair is fair. It should be across the board...simple as that.


Bill
said

"but since I don't have any kids, it shouldn't come out of my taxes!!"

Well said !!

Since I am retired and comfortable, I don't need any economic stimulation at all. So no money should come out of my taxes either. And I don't really pay any taxes to the Canadian government, there shouldn't be any tax cut either.


Lets go to the Polls
said

Here is the brave opposition the ones who wanted lots of spending now trying to complain that Harper has brought in a left wing budget.Honest jack layton is fit to be had that he and his separatist buddy may not get their way.He knows that if the budget is defeated we must have an election and Jack may have to come out with his lies again about taxing big oil etc.that he had to eat when he thought he might be part of government.


Gail Walsh
said

To RobO who wrote:
"I agree more money for Post -Secondary Education is needed, but since I don't have any kids, it shouldn't come out of my taxes!!"

I concur we desperately need more money for post secondry education! However, I too do not have children and will happily see it come from my taxes. To thrive on a sound economic footing, we need an EDUCATED workforce and population. No country with an uneducated population will survive at any time but particularly NOW, in a severe recession - close to depressionm era that also lives in a knowledge based industry economy. Those children you help educate will be paying taxes and maybe even directly caring for you as you age.

We too often compare ourselves to the US which has an extremely expensive and less accessible post education system than we do. We need to look at Europe for example where often the norm is state fnding for all education, inclding post secondary. An entire society benefits from a knolwedagble and skilled workforce, not just those who possess certain skills. If you do not help educate those students now, you WILL be paying MORE for them as they live below the poverty line and cost society more when they are ill and are homeless or worse are in prison. Only the better educated societies will survive this recession! University educated graduates are a necessity for ALL of us, not a luxury for this country. By educating them now, we ensure your and my and OUR entire prosperity as a nation!





Three of the parties in Parliament tried working
said

together.

Harper went into a panic and suspended Parliament.

Democracy scares Harper.

Only the "right" people should rule, right, Stevo?




Mal
said

I know it sounds like an old record from me... no money for education. It is a total waste, bring back the proper apprentice programs and match them up with grants [available to ALL not just the favorite of the year] but put qualifications on it, to get a 50% grant would require 95% attendance and 85% grade average plus enrollment in a suitable apprentice plan. You can not learn it all in a classroom, teaching is Tell-Show-Do and without the Do it is a waste, plus as usual I think IE retraining is a scam that provides worthless intel.


DJV in Calgary
said

The two most delusional people in Canada today have to be Layton and Duceppe in continuing to believe that a coalition has any chance of forming a government.
There will be little in this budget that will give the Libs sufficient reason to bring down the government.
Ignatieff will go through the usual posturing and speech that would be expected of any opposition leader but he is not about to swallow the poison pill of trying to form a government with the backing of the NDP and Bloc.
Also there is no guarantee the GG would opt for a coalition gov. rather than for another election, which the majority of canadians would prefer.


Dave in Victoria
said

For those who worry the middle class will save their tax break and not spend it there is the future possibility of the government simply taxing it back if they see the majority did not use their money to stimulate the economy. Experts I have read say that tax breaks give the fastest stimulus to the economy and infrastructure project give a much slower stimulus as they take so long to start and complete. Some of each sounds fine to me.


Jon J., Ontario
said

Is it just me, or are there only five points?

Maybe the sixth point of action is the pledge to still do the stuff that caused this pro-rogue.


jj
said

To: A Loyal Canadian
"The Governor General was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT to prorogue Parliament rather than allow an act of sedition to succeed.

"If you don't understand our system of constitutional government, learn about it before you mouth off."


You are right, the GG was correct to prorogue the parliament, but not for the reason you suggest. A coalition is NOT an act of sedition it is a perfectly acceptable form of government under our constitutional monarchy. Perhaps its time for you to learn a little about the system before YOU mouth off.

The only reason the GG was correct to prorogue the government is because the Liberals did not have a leader that would last, even the liberals didn't have confidence in Dion so why would the government. The GG had to prorogue until the Liberals had a leader the government could have confidence in.

As for those who think the GG is just a cerimonial role that we should get rid of along with the Senate. Both roles act as a check and balance against a PMO that gets out of control. I think our system is far from perfect, but it works well.


R Hagan
said

Why is a deficit now a Tory blunder when the three amigos stood up and threatened to bring down the house if the government wasn't prepared to sink billions of tax dollars into the economy? Now that Jack and Gilles got their wish and the Tories are going to break the bank it is still not enough for them, or a number of people that haven't been paying attention. Gentlemen, what do you want? Why don't you for once tell Canadians what you are really after? I give up, you stand up and complain and when you get what you want it is no longer enough. I am one Canadian who is tired of paying the exorbinant babysitting fees, your "salaries and pensions" and I am refering to all politicians that sit on the fence and scream but do not come up with any solutions or help. I care not what political stripe you have painted yourself with, either help with the situation or sit down, be quiet and greedily accept your monthly stipend.


Bruce
said

GE said;

"Comments for Bruce with respect to Obama's election campaign on broad based tax cuts for the middle/lower class..The US situation is far more grave than ours. I think the answer in the difference with Ignatieff...is that Canadians prefer not to see massive deficits and debt and the Americans- Democrats or Republicans alike seem to seem long term deficits/debt is tolerable. George W.Bush incurred additional trillions to their national debt load during his terms. And we all know what everyone thinks of that conservative based Administration- Americans and around the world alike."

Hate to break it to you GE, but Obama has reiterated that commitment just yesterday.

Canadians want broad based tax cuts, Iggy has painted himself and the Liberals into a corner and placed themselves firmly on the wrong side of the fence.

Looks good on them and on you.


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