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Date: Mon. Jan. 26 2009 7:40 PM ET
The Conservative government is promising a six-point economic plan to stimulate the ailing economy, Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean outlined in the speech from the throne on Monday.
Harper's Conservative government said it must act swiftly and deeply to stave off economic disaster -- in sharp contrast to its message just a few weeks earlier that Canada would escape recession and post a budget surplus.
The plan calls for injecting stimulus into the economy through public and private investment -- including immediate cash for infrastructure
"In these uncertain times, when the world is threatened by a struggling economy, it is imperative that we work together, that we stand beside one another and that we strive for greater solidarity," Jean said in a bleak statement that made references to the Great Depression.
The speech from the throne opens the 40th parliament and sets out the government's blueprint for the upcoming parliamentary session. The speech, which Jean delivered at 2 p.m. ET, comes just a day before the government unveils its long-awaited budget.
Details of the speech included promises to:
- stimulate the economy through direct government action and by encouraging private expenditure
- invest in infrastructure
- protect stability of financial systems
- give access to credit for consumers and businesses
- support industries that Canadians rely on: forestry, manufacturing, automotive, tourism, agriculture
"Our government is acting to protect the vulnerable: the unemployed, lower-income Canadians, seniors, Aboriginal Canadians and others hit hardest by the global economic recession," said Jean, in words that seemed to be aimed at appeasing the opposition Liberals.
However, the speech made little reference to permanent Tory tax cuts for middle-class Canadians, which the Grits say would throw the country into a spiral of deficit spending.
The Liberals have also warned the Conservatives that they are prepared to vote against the budget if it doesn't serve the best interests of the country.
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has repeated in past weeks that his party's support for the budget is contingent on whether it takes swift action on the economy, and that it protects Canada's most vulnerable.
Ignatieff: Will their actions match their words?
Following the throne speech, Ignatieff told reporters he will not make a snap decision after Tuesday's budget is revealed. He said he will consult with his caucus after the budget is delivered and won't announce a decision until Wednesday morning.
Ignatieff noted an "extraordinary contrast" in the language of this throne speech compared with one the government delivered several months back.
While he called the autumn statement "partisan and divisive," he said Monday's speech talked about "reaching across the divide and finding non-partisan solutions -- and some particularly charming words about protecting the vulnerable, saving jobs today and creating jobs tomorrow."
"Where have I heard that language before?" said the Liberal leader, in an apparent jab at the Tories taking a page from the Liberals. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
Ignatieff added, however, that there is a "problem of trust" when it comes to Harper's Conservatives.
"This government appears to have a split personality. One time it uses one language, the other time it uses another. And our difficulty as the official opposition is figuring out who to believe, which government to believe, which language to believe and we'll have to find out when the proof of the pudding is delivered tomorrow in the budget."
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe on Monday echoed Ignatieff, saying he will wait to see the budget before deciding whether to support it. He has stated in past weeks, however, that he doubts the fiscal document will meet the needs of Quebec.
NDP Leader Jack Layton said that his party will vote against the budget because Harper is untrustworthy and will soon ditch the softer tone for a "my way or the highway" approach.
Difficult years ahead
The government warns that Canadians will face a difficult year -- "perhaps several difficult years." But it promises to spend what is necessary to stimulate the economy and to invest what is necessary to protect Canada's future prosperity.
The throne speech was just four pages long -- a mere one-fifth of the length of the government's November throne speech -- and focused almost exclusively on the economy. But it does add that the government will also attend to "other important priorities that it set out" in its earlier throne speech, including:
- Senate reform
- scaling back on government spending
- criminal justice and environmental policy
The speech followed a week-long series of budget details that the government has been strategically leaking over the past week.
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty will deliver the budget on Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET. The Tories need the Liberals to support the budget in order to survive.
Earlier Monday, Transport Minister John Baird announced the budget will include $7 billion for infrastructure projects -- with an emphasis on getting "shovels in the ground as soon as possible.
The Conservative government is also dedicating $1 billion for a green infrastructure fund, and $2 billion for construction and repairs at colleges and universities across the country.
Errol Mendes, a policy expert at University of Ottawa, said Monday's throne speech marks a sharp shift for the Conservatives and is an attempt to be conciliatory after last year's political wrangling.
"I think what we heard today was basically the Harper government trying to recover from its near death experience that it went through last November and December," he told CTV Newsnet Monday afternoon.
"I think what they're trying to do is set the table for at least the Liberal party to say, 'we can hold our nose and pass (the budget).'"
However, Medes pointed out that the permanent tax cuts were left out of thee speech, so it's hard to tell if the Tories are really prepared to work with the other parties.
Mendes said that the proposed tax cuts have raised the ire of the Liberals, who believe that any permanent rollback could put the country's finances into "structural deficit."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.




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Vince in NB
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mario
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RobO
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If your child goes to a post secondary education, then the parents or the child should be on the hook not joe the tax payer.
It's about time this country woke up and smell the coffee, the Canadian Taxpayer should not be on the hook for everything!
Peter in Ottawa
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Total disater oucome = a coalition granted by GG.
What I expect is gigantic spending on a Liberal-supported budget, with little to no +ve impact to economy, because whatever Canada does won't make any difference to economic conditions.
So I'll just hope for tax breaks - about the only good thing I can see coming from this
Ryan Bennett
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Craig in Calgary
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In an era of evolution and change, it is always nice to remind ourselves of where we came from. Also, we are still part of the Commonwealth and such have special ties with other former colonies.
People like to moan and complain but really, the position is ceremonial and symbolic.
Let's leave it be. It's not broken so why fix it.
KW, Alberta
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I've always believed there's still a place for the crown and therefore the Governor-General's office in Canada. It's what makes us unique and keeps us different from the other nations on the continent, especially that rather large one to the south of us.
Sure, constitutional monarchy to some represents some sort of elitist rule... That's a fair point. But whether we have a monarchy or a president... President does not automatically equal "free and democratic"... Just ask the Americans who just saw the end of Dubya's long eight years. Or the people in Central America whose Presidents have usually also carried the rank of "General" or "Colonel". The title doesn't matter, it's the office holder's attitude towards the job that makes the office more or less democratic. There's been bad Presidents AND bad monarchs.
Now i WOULD support changes to the way the Governor General is selected... Perhaps an election by the people (though I don't know what platform a person can run on for a largely ceremonial position), or maybe even election by Parliament and the provincial/territorial legislatures.
A. Opine
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Of course, from now on we ought to give consideration to it. These royal hold-overs clearly need more curbs, if this country is to remain a democracy, even to remain a country.
Even though Harper's feelings would've been hurt, nothing more was a stake for the country. Jean had the option to say no. The option was her's, precisely to avoid prorogation being abused. She should have said no.
Imagine if the prime minister of the United Kingdom somehow managed to prorogue their parliament - to run away from a confidence vote and cling to power! It would've been huge news around the world. On the front page of papers everywhere, and the lead off story for news programs all over Canada, let alone the rest of the planet. It would've added up to an unparalleled constitutional crisis in the UK.
But for Canada's subversion of prorogation and the democratic process, the world barely took notice. The Canadian press took notice that the world barely took notice, and barely took notice in turn.
But don't be fooled, Canada. It was and remains a huge crisis.
I can only hope that the great coalition of the Liberals, the NDP, and Bloc Quebecois will stand up for Canada and defeat the illegitimate conservative minority government as soon as possible and show Canadians and the world that minority governments here do not prorogue parliament to avoid a vote of confidence and get away with it.
The heck with present opinion polls.
VLH in Edmonton
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That said, I hope that Harper is not planning to spend huge amounts of our money on throw-away projects.
So, we will have to wait until tomorrow and see what transpires.
Al
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And we have to reform the Senate system for sure!
I don't think I will see that happening in my lifetime (and I'm young), as we are always slow to break from "tradition" in this country :(
mario
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what concerns me is the lack of check and balances that we have in our system.
back in december I was a little distraught with the lack of courage the GG took. A president grants us more political stability (anytime a corporation evaluates a project political risk comes to play and I am pretty sure that the recent minorities and decembers events have hurt us)
don't get me wrong i think the american system is way too heavy and costly to be really effective, but having a GG is writting a blank check to a politician to basically do whatever he/she wants, would any of you do that? we don't have a real overseerer of the PMO, and we need it.
Just in case someone starts going off on me in here: I have been a liberal all my life, BUT trust me I was no Dion fan. Rather have a centrist liberal party to strick a balance between left and right, rather than a guy who lives in an ivory tower, and this from a staunch supporter of the party...
maybe a president, but no party affiliation for any candidate, that should help!!!
Dan from Northern Ont.
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Save Canada
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Stop beating around the bush
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KW
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There is a combination of factors that created this mess, and rather than acting too quickly and making the situation worse, the government needs to take a longer view and determine what will be most beneficial in the long term.
Actions rooted in panic are not going to produce the most efficient solutions, even short-term.
So far, I have not heard any of these "leaders" talking sensibly about the economic situation. Mainly because we don't have any "leaders" in government.
I think we are in deep trouble, as a country and as part of the global network.
Marcel
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Steve in Fredericton
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Alan
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GWinnipeg
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AH
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Raymond in Regina
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With the current spending they are talking about infrastructure, we will be in a HUGE deficit. Without those tax dollars as revenues how are we going to get out of it? Cuts to Health Care? Cuts to Education? Cuts to future infrastructure spending? Which ones is it going to be? If cities and provinces had to come up with matches in the infrastructure spending although we got our personal income taxes cut, what about our property taxes? our provincial taxes? They will probably go up. I'm sorry, I am in the middle class position but do you want to leave this to our generation 5 years from now and possibly the future generation to try to get out of 10 yr and 15 years from now?
Rod
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Of course, from now on we ought to give consideration to it. These royal hold-overs clearly need more curbs, if this country is to remain a democracy, even to remain a country.
Even though Harper's feelings would've been hurt, nothing more was a stake for the country. Jean had the option to say no. The option was her's, precisely to avoid prorogation being abused. She should have said no."
There is nothing undemocratic about prorogation. That is one of her choices. You lefties really are something. It is not undemocratic to form a coalition (and you are correct) but it is also not undemocratic for the GG to suspend Parliament on the advise of her Prime Minister. You only think it is undemocratic when it goes against the left. Go figure.
Alex (Toronto)
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The people have already spoken. The Conservatives certainly aren't going to get more seats today than they were able to take from Stephane Dion. I hope that Harper has figured out how to count and that his budget does not again try to favor the comfortable over the jobless, homeless, and helples. If the Conservatives are unable to govern, some other party or group of parties will have to form a different government that can solve the country's economic problems.
Kerry Jones
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Doug BC
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If you want to spend more money on post secondary education four your kids,you will be better served by lower taxes.You can then afford to pay for it.As it stands now,only foreign students pay the full cost of these schools.Taxpayers already foot the lions share of those bill too.The same is true of day care.
We must stop asking government to do everything for us.They have NO MONEY of their own.Give ours back and let us take care of our own business.It falls into the category of "personal responsibility".I paid for my kids.You pay for yours.
G.G. and Queen not Canadian!
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Lets get rid of G.G. and the senate, we would save billions and inject the money in our economy.
We sinmply don't need them and we don't need any reminder of U.K. for that price, we have plenty of photos!
Live in the present not the past! Do the USA have a G.G. and they are doing just fine!
Forget any elected G.G. or senate, it will never happend trust me!
James - Eh!
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We'll see what's in the budget, but if the stimulus package is tied to local municipalities matching funds, Harper has to go. Where are the matching funds going to come from?
Therefore Harper wil be injecting nothing in stimulus. Its just more smoke and mirrors by Harper.
Dave T
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Meanwhile, they will whine and scream and make sure that there is gobs of spending on random programs making big government. Then be completely dismayed and shocked that there is a deficit. It's just political optics. Either the conservatives or the liberals would be throwing out a similar budget right now.
The unfortunate part is that the recession is a global thing. And I strongly doubt that Canada has the ability to spend its way out. Truthfully, our way out of the recession is for the US to get out of theirs and buy our products again, and for global commodity prices to go up.
This infrastructure spending is fine though. Rather than sending people EI cheques, we will pay them to make us some new roads and stuff. Either way, it's going to cost the govt money so might as well get some stuff built. But regardless of the budget, we are going to be in a recession until the world as a whole comes out.
Regardless of whether it was the Conservatives or the Liberals, either way, we'd be a recession right now. All of the smoke and mirrors about how this is the conservatives fault just makes the other parties look naive and uneducated. Unfortunately it diminishes my confidence in the government even more if that was possible.
Christopher LaHaise, Ottawa
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Dan
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Nufsaid!
Mac in Winnipeg
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Harper is only thinking of saving his own bacon, and the only way he can do that is by 'buying' his base off with income tax cuts.
This is sad. Really sad. Pathetic really.
Watch for it tomorrow.
GG
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This matter will all be determined in the nuts and bolts of the budget. There are 2 things to consider...whats in the budget and does the opposition have confidence in the Government that they indeed will deliver what they promise and secondly what is missing from the budget. We will know more after the budget about any tax provision changes. It would seem that huge deficits and plus tax relief = serious spending cuts on non stimulus programs and services to offset the huge deficit incurred to stimultate our weakened economy..those spending cuts may not be outlined in the budget but the math suggests something has to give to stay out of long term/permanent deficits/debt. I am wondering if Canadians will like any of those cuts to their services and programs? I think the stimulus part of the budget will be as effective as a stimulus package can be..it will be the other aspects about the budget that will determine its survival. How will this deficit spending be paid off ? and how will that be acheived if the government is also providing tax relief ? What specific targeted spending programs and services wil be cut ? Will that be disclosed in the budget ? And the ultimate question is whether the opposition has regained any confidence in this government. Was the throne speech empty rhetoric or a new way of cooperation in a minority govt.
Vito in Montreal
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Raurie, Ontario
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John E
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michael metcalfe
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Steve V
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West is completly in left field about the senate!
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We only need one elected government to run our country, Canada. If the West is unhappy with it then you can form your own country and elect as many level of govenment as you wish in your country.
We don't need more government, more lected politicians, we need less!
Maybe we should decentralize and give the power to each province.
simon
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Canada needs to become a Republic.
Get rid of the G.G.
Abolish the Senate.
Save some money in the process.
Brian in Edmonton
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We have been carrying the load for the rest of you for too long.
Dave in Surrey
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I won't hold my breath that he has that much figured out but I know I don't go into debt with out figuring out how I am going to repay it...
RG
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A Loyal Canadian
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If you don't understand our system of constitutional government, learn about it before you mouth off.
GinetteG
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Steve in Ottawa
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Alberta Believer
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Our system works fine. If you don't like it move. If you think it doesn't work that well, get involved politically. Join a party or something. But this idea that we need to be a republic because you don't like the Queen or your extremists politics aren't represented enough is just crap!
We have a first past the post system which indicates where the country is trending which is the best thing you can do when you have as many people and views out there as does Canada. Even in America today, 47% of the country voted against Obama and atleast 40% voted against his Congressional allies. You think their great republic isn't divided?
And to you Greens out there... what can I say. Put yourself in a province or region like the Tories, Grits and NDP did before you and then will you start sending members to the house. This is a continental size country. You need a regional base to show up on the map. In 1993 the Tories not Reform or the Bloq got the second largest number of votes nation wide. The Tories got 2 seats that year whereas Reform and the Bloq regionally based parties got 50 some odd seats a piece.
WS
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"O what fooles these mortals be..."
Dan
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Raymond, let me answer a few of your questions/concerns.
First:
"can I ask you if you saved 50 - $100/mo what are you going to do with that money"
I am going to save it. I just opened a TFSA the other day eventhough in todays economy, (mine) I can't afford it. I am going to try to save some of my taxes as I am middle class and I personal can't afford the current taxes, my family suffers. I have not been on a vacation in over 15 years, (that's right, 15 years).
Second:
"Therefore how does that help our current economy."
As a middle class, I have been working paycheck to paycheck for more then 30 years. I have never bought a "new" car. Do you know why? A: Because I can't afford it, it would make my family suffer even more.
Third:
"Cuts to Health Care? Cuts to Education? Cuts to future infrastructure spending?"
If it is Cuts like the ones you stated above you are looking for then the answer is simple. Vote Liberal! They are the party that cut all of these programes during the 10+ years they were in power.
I know I didn't answer all of your points but these are key for me.
RG
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William
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Hope everyone is enjoying their extra $100 - it's brought us right back to another era of Conservitive CAUSED defecit and social program spending cuts.
GaryW
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I was born in this country under the monarchy. What is wrong with tradition?
Al
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RAV
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Second the role of the GG is now primarily a ceremonial position. She relieves the prime minister of many ceremonial functions that a president would have to perform. She does have this one significant responsibility and that is to be an arbiter in difficult times thus avoiding the problems of many European and third world countries. Her position is a blessing to our form of democracy.
Red X
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Deficits/cumulative Debt to keep conservatives in power?
The 3 pages of throne speech take liberal words but is an example of a 2 faced government. What ever happened to "my way or the high way" and kicking your opponents when they are down?(sarcasm)
GaryW
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We simply don't need them and we don't need any reminder of U.K. for that price, we have plenty of photos!"
A parliamentary system needs two houses. It also requires a head of state. So, what do we do, elect a 'President'?
Also, what is wrong with tradition?
Philip in Nelson BC
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Bruce
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*Yawn*
All I wanna know is that I won't be left starving in the cold if I lose my job - really politicians - it is that simple - dispense with the nonsense.
For my part, I'll continue working hard 7 days a week - but as I understand, currently there are economic forces a lot bigger than me in action, so I hope that will be enough because you are not inspiring me that I am secure if I get knocked down from beyond my control and from behind my back. Do you have my back or not? Are we in this together or not?
Walter (Winnipeg)
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Sick of these frauds!
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NEW LAW SHOULD BE CREATED FOR THIS MORDERN DAY TO PREVENT TELEPHONE FRAUD, EMAIL FRAUD, BANKS FRAUD, OIL FRAUD, GAS FRAUD, CREDIT CARD FRAUD.
It seem that it was all left out in speech. It menitoned nothing about anything that really affecting daily life.
Damn! I saw throne speech from UK recently.... Damn! I was impressed with how much detailed it is.
This is all wrong and I demand that Liberal bring them down! Bring our true Parlianment back!
Bill
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N Eyolfson
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Kevin In Vancouver
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I saw Buzz Hargrove on TV yesterday saying we need to fund the auto sector here to the tune of 1 billion dollars a year for the forseeable future and on top of that he wants us to impose
tarrifs and laws to protect the market, no wage concessions though. Just another Ontarian with his hand out.
The east has lost the fire that made this country great but the west still knows that in hard times you do with less, work harder and ride out the drought.
The last thing we need is EI for life.
Daryl
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In terms of having the Queen as head of state, it doesn't really bother me but I think the Queen and GG should be stripped of any political power they have. Even if we became a republic, we're most likely going to still have a purely ceremonial head of state with no power.
Sweden has a great system where the Monarch is head of state but has no power at all. All of the political duties including opening parliament, selecting a Prime Minister and granting Royal Assent is done by an elected Speaker of the House.
Steve from Simcoe
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Everything the Harper did prior to Christmas was for self preservation. Now he is playing catchup by rallying the majority behind him at the expense of a hugh burden for the next generation. McKay did not say much. He might be going to the UN. I do not think those two get along. McKay has more balls and is better suited to be our Prime Minister.
jt
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That would not save them money.In fact it would caost more and cause more issues.
Mary in Calgary
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Jamie.
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"There is nothing undemocratic about prorogation. That is one of her choices. You lefties really are something. It is not undemocratic to form a coalition (and you are correct) but it is also not undemocratic for the GG to suspend Parliament on the advise of her Prime Minister. You only think it is undemocratic when it goes against the left. Go figure."
I think you're absolutely right, but I think you're missing the point. Harper suspended Parliament to save his own bacon. It was not for the good of Canada to ask the GG to do so. It was purely for his party to regroup and come up with a new strategy as what he and the Conservative party were doing when they sat after the election was not working. They had no real plan to deal with the economic crisis. "Staying the course" was very obviously not a good idea, and the rest of the House apparently thought so too. Hence wanting to form the coalition, and subsequently Harper suspending parliament.
Trent
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Ridiculous
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Well call me stinky if I'm wrong, but those guys up in Ottawa couldn't see the big freight train coming nor could they hear it's whistle blowing saying "Deficit and Recession".
Now, I have no problem with them positing a few years of deficits to keep our economy going and helping out the average Canadian, but I'm really pissed that they lied to us.
Now that Micheal Ignatieff is the leader of the opposition, let's hope that he can keep these lame brained idiots a little more accountable when it comes to telling the truth.
The Hammer
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Guess he'll let Big Banks and Credit Card companies up the intrest rates they already charge us. I am also amazed that he has just come to the realization that the foresty industry is in dire needs of assistance. Are our politicians that slow? None the less, what will that do for the economy? The mess we're in now is global and without markets, where will the wood producers sell their products. It's simple, most people don't have any capitol to spend, and until the consumer does have necessary capitol to spend, manufacturing industries and the like will suffer.
It's not brain science here. Unlike the government, the common people just can't go out and run up big debts with the mind-set that someone else, like the taxpayers that the government depends on, will come along and ante up what we need to pay it off down the road.
It's like the Beatles once sang...."See the fool on the hill"....but in our case, that would be fools!!!
Proud Canadian
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Joe
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Guys, if you are going to call one political party to task... ensure it makes sense or you're just one more of those spin doctors that everyone is sick of hearing from.
Robin
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Cindy Husband
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Canada is not in bad shape right now as far as the recession goes. There are problems with some of our industries but it will turn around. Other countries are in far worse shape than we are. Have patience and stop pointing the finger. An election right now would probably be a good thing. Then Harper could get a majority and we could finally get some stability in our government rather than squabbling children.
Greig in Manitoba
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Timothy
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Al
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And no, the current system doesn't work properly, just look at the last election fiasco. And IF something is working, does not mean it cannot be improved. Heck, things were "working" when people thought Earth was flat.
Tono
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Any drop in the American economy can have a ripple effect in Canada if we unite our economies enough. Canada could potentially be dragged down with the United States in the event the American economy collapses. Considering the mass layoffs in the USA that have happened, and the rest to come, the prospect of the said collapse isn't unrealistic. It takes more than fuel to make an engine run.
Neil Peters CD2 Duncan BC
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As for the senate, yeas I am all in favor for a change to a senate to be voted in and this should be done now to make it more a voice of the people and not a rubber stamp of the ruling party.
James - Eh!
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If we were a republic, President Harper and his Treasury Chief Flaherty would stil have put us in the same crisis. The only difference, the elected Senate and Represenatives (their are more Lib/NDP/Bloq MP's than CPC!) would be the ones holding their feet to the fire. And just has we have seen many times to the south, when the congress doesn't like what the President is proposing, they block his spending plans and he becomes impotent.
Just as Harper is now. And just like Harper, the president gets a second kick at the can. but he would lso get a third and a fourth, or how ever many he can fit in before his 4 year term expires. At least in our system, he gets defeated, the opposition coalition can try to form a coalition or we have a fresh election, so the business of government can continue.
I think I like our democratic democracy, thanks very much.
God Save the Queen! (and the GG!)
bonniesiegfried
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Less is better! Bye bye senate and G.G.
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Lets do more with less not add more elected bodies that do nothing for us in our regions.
Al
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Matt
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The clear thing for the GG to do in December was to allow the government to fall, then have an election or let the coalition have a chance.
I think to suspend parliment was actually a rather shocking decision that turned out quite well.
We have a more effective opposition in the Liberals, and it looks like we'll maintain a somewhat stable government for at least a few more months.
Which I'd argue we need right now, unfortunately the Conservatives are yielding too much to the demands of the opposition IMO. I'm really not sure how much worse a budget the coalition would have provided.
Unfortunately the
DanaB Toronto
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Stew in Alberta
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"I can only hope that the great coalition of the Liberals, the NDP, and Bloc Quebecois will stand up for Canada and defeat the illegitimate conservative minority government as soon as possible."
I'm pretty sure that a party committed to the destruction of the country will not "Stand up for Canada." Secondly - a minority government is not illegitimate. Stop the foolish rhetoric.
As to the deficit financing, when the Liberals "balanced" the budget (under pressure from Reform btw), they did it by cutting funds to the provinces and municipalities. By announcing new "shovel ready" infrastructure projects, the debt is just flowing back the other way. Cities will take on less debt to complete already planned projects - so I'm skeptical about the job creation that will result.
To put $4 billion in perspective - that's about $10 million for our city of 85 000 - enough to build one hockey arena. Nice, but it won't generate a bunch of jobs.
Gail (Hamilton)
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Aido
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I propose instead that all elected officials in Canada, from school boards up, elect the head of state to hold the reserve powers currently held by the GG. As you can see, in minority parliaments, having the PM (leader who commands confidence of the house) be head of state is unreliable. This also means that the criteria for a suitable GG will include real knowledge of Canadian parliamentary tradition and constitutional law. We need a referee for these situations, asnd by simply making a PM the head of state will not eliminate the conflict.
As for the second house, we need a senate or something like it. We are a federal country with regional interests that can be subsumed by majorities in other regions. Perhaps each province should have 10 senators with 6 year mandates, where half are re-elected every three years. They can act as a check on the Commons and could represent regional interests in a healthy and productive manner.
Easy peasy. Next problem?
fazal
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we have to help our young generation towards their post secondary education by providing them relief as its costing them more than their expectations & spiralling continiously.This is an investment which guarantees nations prosperity
Greg, Edmonton
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Que sera sera
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rob d
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Al
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How do you know the system is not broken if you don't want to look at it. If you compare our incomplete Democracy to many of full Democratic systems in the world, yes, our system is BADLY broken. The Senate, the GG, etc.
When people thought Earth was flat, they thought 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it!'.
To Proud Canadian from Aido
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House of Commons + Senate = Parliament
House of Reps/Commons = rep by pop houses
Senates = Regional representatives
Parliament/Congress = All legislative bodies in a system.
Get your facts straight before you get all frothy on stuff like this. Making our democracy more representative and opening up the highest office in the land to more than a white family living in a palace far away doesn't make us unCanadian, it makes us more grown up.
Linda in Vancouver
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And last,tax cuts are a part of the stimulus plans in most other nations.The benefits are clear.Middle class people will spend most of the money,use some to pay down debt,and save some.All of which are a benefit to our economy.
As to post secondary education,I take issue with the notion that more money will do any good.Schools are like health care,no matter how much money we spend it will never be enough.In BC we are facing declining enrolments on our 1-12 classes.But there is no way the teachers union will allow the closure of schools that are now very much under populated.
Oh yes,the coalition is a fraud because the leaders of it LIED about it during the election campaign.Had they been honest,I might take a differnt view.Though it is a bit troubling to see Liberals admit they are the same as the NDP.Kind of like "NDP Lite".
Bruce
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B. Wigglesworth - Canada
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reno
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elected senate so there is more
control over what the goverment does.
that way if you have a majority goverment they can not go hog wild.
Fraser
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The GGs OK
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Jim in Calgary
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The thoughts that the Middle Class will just spend there tax relief in resorts and out of the country are ridiculous. The Liberals, NDP and the Bloc figure that the people who pay 90% of the bills in this country shouldn't get a thing out of this stimulus package.
Just once it would be nice if the whole country could benefit from something instead of just everyones special interest group.
I know this is just a dream but it would be so nice if just for a year or two everyone could forget about their "Party" and actually work together for the good of the country.
oh but to dream...........
Robert in Alberta
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GE
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willy T.
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Melanie Terrace,BC
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But the Senate is where we need change.If it is meant to represent the regions of Canada,we should all have about the same number of Senators.It does not need to be based on population.And there is no way the PM should appoint the Senators.If we can't elect them,at least they should be chosen by people in the regions they are supposed to represent.By doing that we would remove a lot of the blatant partisanship in that house,and it might actually become something useful.
Perhaps,when things go off track in Parliament,we would trust the Sernate,as opposed to the GG to make decisions on our behalf.
One thing should be clear to all Canadians.We will never be either a democracy or a united country as long as the Senate stays the way it is.No one with more than half an ounce of brain matter,and a sense of fair play reasonably defend our existing Senate.Leaving it as is,is not an option,so let's get this fixed.
The west may,as some poster said,be out to lunch on this issue.But,we are not going to remain a colony to McGuinty or Ontario for all time.I think you can take that prediction to the bank.
Fix in now,or pay the price later.Just choose.This should haave been done when Trudeau patriated the constitution,and the west was foolish to take his word that this would be addressed in the near future.Someone lied.
End of story
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Mike Ignatieff = Poker player seeking power.
Gilles Duceppes = Enemy of patriotic Canadians
Lawrence Martin
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jeff
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Dr Heywood R. Floyd
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We should never give up hope. Change is in the air globally.
Diane M.
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Joe C, Waterloo ON
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Lawrence Martin
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Gunner
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Steve the Pundit
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"Day after day, alone on the hill,
The man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still.
But nobody wants to know him,
They can see that he's just a fool.
And he never gives an answer .....
But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.
Well on his way, his head in a cloud,
The man of a thousand voices, talking perfectly loud.
But nobody ever hears him,
Or the sound he appears to make.
And he never seems to notice .....
But the fool on the hill,
Sees the sun going down.
And the eyes in his head,
See the world spinning around.
If that doesn't describe Layton to a tee...
Unity now
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If the government runs a deficit, it means PAY.
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Raise taxes.
RAISE TAXES.
steve clarke
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As, recent history has shown, any government (minority or majority)will likely be ineffective, compromising, focusing primarily upon the interests of Central Canada. Let's face it - Canada as a whole nation doens't make sence!
jim from manitoba
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no cure for cancer
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Gunner
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Watching the Conservatives wipe out 15 years of paying down the debt is quite hard. Also, how is it that the Liberals can balance the budget when oil was $23 a barrel and the Conservatives can't at $47 a barrel.
Philip its easy when you steal 54 billion from the EI fund and put it towards the deficit.
Dani- Alberta
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BMIA
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Our Canadian government doesn't have a problem spending - they do that increasingly well and just spend more every year (yes, even under the Liberals). Our Canadian government excels at wasteful spending!
Of course our government has a problem with granting tax cuts! Taxes are the only way they can increase wasteful spending. The Bureaucracy is a huge drain and bites into effectiveness and economical. Too many programs with their hands out contributing to wasted spending.
The reason the globe is in such an economic mess is because of spending, and as can be seen by the so little value because of it - wasteful spending.
That's a huge problem with our government - they have never had to actually exist with hard times and economic busts like so many of us across the country have had to cope with through the years. The government just gets bigger and they always have a paycheque. Those of us who have had to weather economic crises in the past are of a sound mind to say - "let it ride! Stay out of it!" Because we know, exactly, what that's like and exzctly what's required to get out and stay out!
I surmise that the biggest headaches and the biggest problems that people have in their lives will have the government's hands all over it.
I want to have the government stop helping! They only make it worse!
Just govern the country and stay out of business and lives - they only mess it up!
Wes
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Well, talk about a slap in the face to the people who makes this country go.
Typical Liberal.....take take take and give to the poor. Funny thing is the poor rarely increase their standing.
And Jack Layton, what a goof. His party will vote against the document before even seeing it. The guy is narrow minded and hungry for power.
john from the west
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Joyce.
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Mr. Ignatief's reluctance of speaking for or against the budget after it has been presented in Parliament on Jan. 27th /09, is this not a test for him to see how much he has absorbed from the Budget speech.
Seems to me many Opposition Leaders before him have been very decisive on the response to a budget speech in the past.
Gunner
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Monica in Calgary
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Bill
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Well said !!
Since I am retired and comfortable, I don't need any economic stimulation at all. So no money should come out of my taxes either. And I don't really pay any taxes to the Canadian government, there shouldn't be any tax cut either.
Lets go to the Polls
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Gail Walsh
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"I agree more money for Post -Secondary Education is needed, but since I don't have any kids, it shouldn't come out of my taxes!!"
I concur we desperately need more money for post secondry education! However, I too do not have children and will happily see it come from my taxes. To thrive on a sound economic footing, we need an EDUCATED workforce and population. No country with an uneducated population will survive at any time but particularly NOW, in a severe recession - close to depressionm era that also lives in a knowledge based industry economy. Those children you help educate will be paying taxes and maybe even directly caring for you as you age.
We too often compare ourselves to the US which has an extremely expensive and less accessible post education system than we do. We need to look at Europe for example where often the norm is state fnding for all education, inclding post secondary. An entire society benefits from a knolwedagble and skilled workforce, not just those who possess certain skills. If you do not help educate those students now, you WILL be paying MORE for them as they live below the poverty line and cost society more when they are ill and are homeless or worse are in prison. Only the better educated societies will survive this recession! University educated graduates are a necessity for ALL of us, not a luxury for this country. By educating them now, we ensure your and my and OUR entire prosperity as a nation!
Three of the parties in Parliament tried working
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Harper went into a panic and suspended Parliament.
Democracy scares Harper.
Only the "right" people should rule, right, Stevo?
Mal
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DJV in Calgary
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There will be little in this budget that will give the Libs sufficient reason to bring down the government.
Ignatieff will go through the usual posturing and speech that would be expected of any opposition leader but he is not about to swallow the poison pill of trying to form a government with the backing of the NDP and Bloc.
Also there is no guarantee the GG would opt for a coalition gov. rather than for another election, which the majority of canadians would prefer.
Dave in Victoria
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Jon J., Ontario
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Maybe the sixth point of action is the pledge to still do the stuff that caused this pro-rogue.
jj
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"The Governor General was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT to prorogue Parliament rather than allow an act of sedition to succeed.
"If you don't understand our system of constitutional government, learn about it before you mouth off."
You are right, the GG was correct to prorogue the parliament, but not for the reason you suggest. A coalition is NOT an act of sedition it is a perfectly acceptable form of government under our constitutional monarchy. Perhaps its time for you to learn a little about the system before YOU mouth off.
The only reason the GG was correct to prorogue the government is because the Liberals did not have a leader that would last, even the liberals didn't have confidence in Dion so why would the government. The GG had to prorogue until the Liberals had a leader the government could have confidence in.
As for those who think the GG is just a cerimonial role that we should get rid of along with the Senate. Both roles act as a check and balance against a PMO that gets out of control. I think our system is far from perfect, but it works well.
R Hagan
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Bruce
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"Comments for Bruce with respect to Obama's election campaign on broad based tax cuts for the middle/lower class..The US situation is far more grave than ours. I think the answer in the difference with Ignatieff...is that Canadians prefer not to see massive deficits and debt and the Americans- Democrats or Republicans alike seem to seem long term deficits/debt is tolerable. George W.Bush incurred additional trillions to their national debt load during his terms. And we all know what everyone thinks of that conservative based Administration- Americans and around the world alike."
Hate to break it to you GE, but Obama has reiterated that commitment just yesterday.
Canadians want broad based tax cuts, Iggy has painted himself and the Liberals into a corner and placed themselves firmly on the wrong side of the fence.
Looks good on them and on you.