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Date: Mon. Jan. 12 2009 7:09 AM ET
A federal mediator will meet separately with city officials and the striking transit union on Monday, in hopes of restarting contract negotiations and ending a 34-day crippling shutdown in the nation's capital.
Mayor Larry O'Brien is hopeful the intervention leads to a revival of talks this week, and said the city remains ready and willing to bargain despite introducing several measures to help beleaguered residents.
The federal labour minister, meanwhile, said Friday she's ready to appoint an arbitrator. Rona Ambrose wants both sides to return to the bargaining table after the Amalgamated Transit Union voted 75 per cent in favour of rejecting the city's latest offer in a forced vote Thursday.
"I would encourage the employer and union to seriously consider any option that will help them achieve an agreement," Rona Ambrose said in a statement.
"This strike has been difficult on all residents of the National Capital Region, and we want to see a resumption of transit service at the earliest possible date.
"However, the onus is on the employer and union to bargain in good faith, demonstrate flexibility, and achieve a settlement."
Contingency plan
City officials are now scrambling to make alternate plans to help residents deal with the prolonged OC Transpo shutdown, announcing a flurry of measures on Friday.
Included was the potential opening of the Transitway to commuter traffic, to be discussed at next Wednesday's council meeting. Organized shuttles, such as those operated by colleges and universities, already have approval to use the routes.
And people who have lost their job due to the strike, or are at risk of unemployment, are eligible for two weeks of emergency funding from the city. Interested residents should call 3-1-1 for more information.
The city also announced :
- an increased Para Transpo capacity by leasing additional vehicles and hiring temporary drivers;
- a $200,000 fund to assist community agencies with emergency transportation;
- an effort with the Ontario Disability Support Program (ODSP) to provide clients with up-front benefits for transportation costs
- a partial reinbursement for December bus passes at any city client service centre, beginning next week. The specific date has not been released.
A Tuesday meeting is also scheduled with local business groups to discuss parking issues, including metered and off-street service downtown.
Union rallies at Ottawa City Hall, non-essential layoffs planned
Meanwhile, union members took a short break from the picket lines Friday to show solidarity at a rally at Ottawa City Hall -- and ask the city to return to the bargaining table with a fair offer.
"I was not elected by my membership to be a public speaker. I was elected by my membership to fight for them and to respect them and make sure that everybody respects them. I am a union leader," said an emotional André Cornellier, president of ATU Local 279.
Cornellier says it's not acceptable to ask union members to work 13.5 hours and only get paid for half that time, which is one of the main issues.
"We've been prepared to resume negotiations for a long time, but the Mayor wanted this vote, and the delays it has caused, thinking he would break our backs," he said in a prepared statement posted on the union's website.
OC Transpo has issued a layoff notice to about 60 "non-critical personnel" who are also members of the ATU, but a different local (1760). The city will try to mitigate the job losses through reassignment, acording to a memo from O'Brien and city manager Kent Kirkpatrick.
Taxi union says they won't be 'scabs'
Although the city says it plans to release more taxi plates to help facilitate transportation in the capital, the taxi union says it won't support that move.
"We see this as a way to use us as scabs, which will harm labour relations," Mohamed Alsadi told CTV Ottawa.
"We don't believe this is going to do anything to resolve this bus strike."
Taxi chits are being provided by the city to "vulnerable" transit users, including seniors and low-income workers.
What happens next?
The results of Thursday's vote means the transit strike will continue into its fifth week, which has put mounting pressure on the federal government to make OC Transpo an essential service and order drivers back to work.
Transport Minister John Baird, however, has said declaring OC Transpo an essential service would need full support of the House of Commons and the Senate in order to move the legislation through quickly.
In a Friday letter to the Canada Industrial Relations Board, the city's solicitor argued the strike has not compromised the public's health and safety to such a degree that warrants essential service designation under the federal labour code.
The main sticking point of the dispute remains control over bus driver scheduling. OC Transpo wants more control over the shifting of drivers. The union wants to keep the current system that rewards seniority.
More than 2,300 OC Transpo drivers, dispatchers and mechanics walked off the job Dec. 10, after working without a contract since April. About 2,030 members of ATU Local 279 turned out to vote on the city's latest offer on Thursday.
With a report from CTV Ottawa's Vanessa Lee
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Peter
said
I hope the city hires replacement workers or privatizes, just a little less than 5 months and your precious union no longer exists.
Mechanic
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angry student
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you should just be thankful you all have jobs!
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mel
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Joe Guevara
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By far what I can see in this dispute is a gross mis-representation of the facts. Cornellier is pushing for the fact that members are working 13.5 hours and paid for half, but neglects to mention that the opposite does occur where members are working 8 hours and getting paid for 16 (Senior members). Obviously this was a clincher for the lower senior members who made this vote who did not realize or maybe even care that this was the case.
Everyone wants the most that they can get. Greed is what's holding this city hostage, not one side or the other.
PTM in ottawa
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Louis
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Rahi Atray
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First she gave three days to the union to decide if they decide to held a voting on their own. Then she gave almost 11 days to enforce the vote. Now the city is meeting on Jan 14th to discuss what to do now.
On top of that when everybody knows that it will take atleast a week time to bring the service in full strength (I dont know when it is going to happen)
I guess snail's pace is much faster
Student Walking to School
said
Had they voted "yes" on the offer, then the public would have been on their side, not blamed the union members, and joined them in condemning the city council for letting it drag on this long. What do you think is going to happen now? No union has ever gotten what they wanted without the support of the general public.
Shafiq
said
Let us vote on the issue now. Because, some 2000 workers are badly affecting 1.1 million Ottawa residents, and we don't live in a fascist nation.
Mike
said
Next step is bring in replacement workers.
Dennis R
said
To the driver who claims the city is a dictator ship, We the people are your bosses and it is the boss who decide what shifts will be worked and at what length of time etc. not you drivers and if you don't like that then quit or go back to where you came from because I don't like being called a dictator, to the student who supports the drivers it's good you are in school and you better stay there for a long time yet until you get a modicom of smarts at least, I would like to see you go with a camera crew and aply for jobs on camera and tell the company offical that you want to set your own scheduale of hours you will work, days you will work and a big part of that must be you will only come in 6 hrs a day and want to be paid for ten if and when you come in!
It would be a real epic commedy film and you woudn't look ay more stupid than you did on CJOH news
Good Luck:)
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I'll be by on your side Larry
John S
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Tired Mom
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Steve in Kanata
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Wes Jonathan
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marie ott
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Matt in Ottawa
said
Enjoy your $14 a day, I sure it will come in handy when you're trying to pay your christmas bills, and house payments.
fire the drivers and bring in new staff, in this time of economic trouble, let those who want to work, work.
And please know, when you return to work, you will recieve the same amount of respect you are giving the citizens of this city, wear a spit guard!
Bellana from Orleans
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John S
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Rob
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Mo
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For the other 75%, what goes around comes around. When the ridership does not return, they will start by letting some of the routes go and then what... their will be less jobs for you idiots. So, continue your little greedy crusade. Karma is a b****.
John S
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Downtown Dave
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James
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JAH-OTTAWA
said
u r NOTHING BUT SELFISH!!!
Ottawa Resident
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Lou
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lizzy ott
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MA
said
No where else can you go and tell your boss what shifts you want and how long you want to work. This is insane! I am a professional with a great job, more education than any driver would have and I sure they make at least what I do or close to it and I can't tell my boss when I'm going to work or demand better benefits. Let the drivers rought! They don't deserve their jobs.
I like the point of another comment mentionning the people are the boss as our taxes pay their wages...wouldn't it be interested if the people of Ottawa could wage in on this debate and make a difference!
I think O'Brien is very arrogant and I do do not like him at all but I do not want him to cave in...its about principle now....If you want to control your work life be a consultant and dictate to your customers your schedule..Ooops you need to have a couple of degrees and a brain to do this and do it well...I guess that counts drivers out!
Keep your money
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Josh
said
There are a lot of people who have lost their jobs and need to wrok.
The scheduling issue is just to allow these greedy drivers to fix their shifts and cheet the system.
These uneducated greedy drivers who make more than some people with Master degrees, want more and more and more...
I have a family of four with only car. I don't need to tell you about the headaches we have been having!
Why does the City have to meet until Jan 14th to meet and discuss the next step?
Make this service essential and get on with it. This clearly violates the Canada Labour Code where the safty of the public is indicated.
Diane
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MAR
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Vingoe
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I think it's time for the people and businesses that live in the city to fight back.
this strike is not about just the bus drivers, and it's sad that they are unable to see what they are doing to this city.
The fact of the matter is, Life will go on with or without OC Transpo.
Marc
said
Anyways, it is what it is, but seriously folks CALM THE F DOWN ON THE ROADS
If things continue like this, it will look more like Liberty City than Ottawa.
Around 10 to 7 going westbound on carling right in front of wally mart this d***** in a Black Jetta (I wish I could post the plate)
was almost running into me and others racing to get to the parkway
People, slow down and enjoy the ride, I have to leave at 545 now to get to my job for 7, so we are all in the same boat
As per the ATU,..... if you have not realized, you are in the process of getting replaced. Stay out there until we can fire you all legally. Stay out of the news as you are taking valuable time away from actuall news that people care about.
Have a nice day Ottawa! AND SLOW DOWN!!!!
richard marston
said
Seriously. Its very hard give back this kind of stuff.
Other than that. Union has no excuse.
Honestly think city should make two tier proposal:
1) We give you back your corrupt union scheduling
2) Contract ends in JUNE!!!
Alternative:
I'm serious. Fire them all and privatise the bus services.
This guys have pretty good wages and they are getting VERY GENEROUS salary increases.
If they don't like it. Too bad. Pull a Ronald Reagan
Annoyed student
said
Coutdown Begins.........................
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Steve
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Fed-Up Canadian!
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Frustrated Transit User
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I'm tired of revolving my life around who's going to drive me to work and get me home after work. I stress at what time I have to leave in order to catch my carpool. I can't even stay a few minutes later at work to finish my tasks because I'd be making my carpool wait for me. With this added stress, I have less productivity.
I hope in a week, when you realize that the paycheck of yours is only a minuscule number, you come back to the REAL WORLD. In the mean time, you (the drivers and the union) are just making yourself look worse and worse each day.
Frustrated Transit User
said
I'm tired of revolving my life around who's going to drive me to work and get me home after work. I stress at what time I have to leave in order to catch my carpool. I can't even stay a few minutes later at work to finish my tasks because I'd be making my carpool wait for me. With this added stress, I have less productivity.
I hope in a week, when you realize that the paycheck of yours is only a minuscule number, you come back to the REAL WORLD. In the mean time, you (the drivers and the union) are just making yourself look worse and worse each day.
Tim
said
Where do I sign up?
Ed Springland, Ottawa
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Joe public
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300 or so didnt even bother to show up, seems to echo their "work ethic" no? Minimum work for maximum benifit...
LOSERS, FREEZE OUT THERE I am hoping for -42 weather this week.
Drew
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K
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Happy Canadian
said
It is hard, but we cannot give in to these a*******.
Leave them out there, most of us will get by.
No negotiations, no talks, no offers. They can return to work with existing pay and management scheduling when they grow up.
Salary freeze, or even a good roll back!
Respect is a two way street morons!
Happy Canadian
said
It is hard, but we cannot give in to these a*******.
Leave them out there, most of us will get by.
No negotiations, no talks, no offers. They can return to work with existing pay and management scheduling when they grow up.
Salary freeze, or even a good roll back!
Respect is a two way street morons!
Carolyn - Ottawa
said
solution :: less full time, more part time...
said
I think students could benefit from driving a bus in the morning, and going to school after their part time shift.
I support the mechanics of this union, but not the drivers. Anybody with a little experience can do that work, and I think it's time they realize this.
dreamweaver
said
Bring in the replacement workers and leave this yahoos to their own devices. They obviously don't have the intelligence or the work ethic to continue to drive our city's buses.
Jayse
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Jacqueline in Orleans
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Debra Ottawa
said
Andre Cornellier statement how proud he is of his members for the decision they made despite their personal sacrifices, these members do not know the meaning of the work sacrifice. Men over in Afghanistan, people who have lost their jobs, elderley people who can't get to medical appointments, the extra cost for their public who took their buses daily and who put their trust in them, and of course integrity that is what have been sacrificed here.
Good-bye OC Transpo, Mayor, please hold your ground, without the signing payout, and if you can open up the transitways and bring in replacement drivers. Time to SACRIFICE our transit system as they have SACRIFICED us.
SUPPORT OUR DRIVERS
said
and to think I voted for you !
~*~Laura~*~ Ottawa
said
*long, angry scream* I mean, are you KIDDING me?! I live in the real world, buddy, and you've got it so good, you don't even know. I just had a talk with my roommmate last night and since she can't find a job right, now because she can't get a carpool to any of the positions offered to her, I won't have a place to live next month. Or, if I don't buy FOOD from now until the 31st, I might be able to afford to pay the entire rent!
Thank you so much, you greedy, arrogant bastards, for helping me lose my apartment. Really, you're all great!
(And to the 25% who showed up, and voted yes, I'm so sorry you're stuck working with morons who blindly do what Andre tells them. And that is sincere.)
Chuck in Ottawa
said
Don't give in Larry, we're behind you.
Goodbye Ottawa.
said
Good luck to all transit users, I feel bad for what you are going through.
Goodbye.
Diana
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Tarek
said
Why make it personal...why don't you stick to the issues and not attack individuals. You are the loser, buddy!
T
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Cheryl
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Muthu
said
I have no idea where this is going...
Steve - Prisoner in my Orleans home
said
I have started counting the days till the union can be de-certified...
Mr. Baird, why would it take an absolute majority in both the HoC and the Senate to declare transit an essential service? Usually it is 50% + 1... Geez, you are even from Ottawa man.
I am so pissed off right now between the City negociators, the Union, and now the Fed Minister for inaction. At least Ms. Ambrose ordered a vote, too late but at least it was caried out.
Steve
said
Bus drivers with full benefits, pension and choice of shift! This is not the right path for society
Kamal
said
Wait it out folks.
said
When I don't like what employer does, I leave. These folks are free to exercise this same right.
Joe Q Ottawa
said
Issue all union members a shovel. You are already out in the cold walking in circles... gets kind of boring, doesn't it? With a snow shovel you could push some snow and clear the parking area for the happy Ottawa residents.
You could take it one step further and place "ice-scrappers" on the tops of your picket signs. This way when residents pull up to the parking area and have to wait 5 minutes while you block their path, you could scrape the ice off their windows.
It never hurts to try and get on the side of the public during a strike.
Fallon
said
Some people even lose there jobs over this and they need it to live. Ok maybe you dont need a job to live but we do and thats why u guys are greedy and dont derserve to keep your job. I think we should just replace all you guys then you would relieze just how good you had it when you have to find a job that pays you so well. If i had my liscense i wuold replace you guys in a heart beat cuz i would be makiing a living for my family. Hope you all feel good about yourself now cuz when you get back to work you will wish that this never happend. I dont even feel sorry for you guys. you made you own bed know sleep in it.
Christine
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MovedOn
said
(a) they say the money is not the issue. Talk is cheap. Show us.
(b) they say the signing bonus is a bribe by the city. Fine, take that off the contract.
The further the ATU holds out, the more people are weened off from public transit. These clowns might not have a job to go back to.
Lastly, I do not want to hear City Hall talk about lightrail expansion anymore. We do not need to create more jobs for ATU clowns.
Jayme
said
1)I hate to break it to you.But in this country your innocent untill found guilty.
2)You ask why the public is not giving the drivers support.Well lets see they go on strike right before chirstmas and right be before the biggest even in the history of ottawa.Durring this time where people are lossing jobs and some just hanging to jobs of course people are not going to be happy about this.Then you have some drivers bashing the public which is the wrost possble thing they could do.
3)Yes it may not be a great contract.But you have to keep in mind the amount of people lossing there jobs there is a world wide resseion going on so yes people could see this is beeing selfish.
4)Larry is not even part of the talks so you really can't blame him.Should the city have done something sooner of course.
5)The union with this contract has to to be real with what they want.They want to control there own schedule a 9% raise over 3 years more sick days and the list goes on.They have to be willing to give up some of that.
Fed-Up Canadian!
said
Are you kidding me? This whole thing is personal. Either by the Union or that jack***! Mark my words, the truth will come out, Larry is a crook! Your backing the wrong horse,BUDDY!!!!!
JamesF
said
Enough. The politicians don't do anything, just try to look like they are doing something. The union leaders and/or City hall very likely have ulterior motives too twisted for most people to consider.
Get the federal and/or provincial government to force the city and union into binding arbitration on the basis that neither is doing what is in the best interest of the people of Ottawa.
Honestly I don't know how to even start such a process, but given direction I will work my butt off. Any one out there who know if there is any precedent???
Angry Citizen
said
L.Hamilton
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Helen
said
I have just e-mailed every councillor and the mayor to urge them not to cave in to the union. I urge others to do the same. I am no supporter or Larry O'Brien, and have always supported unions in the past, but after reading both sides carefully, I strongly believe that in these economic times, the City's offer is a good one.
My biggest concern is that when the strike finally ends, passengers will take their frustrations out on the drivers physically, endangering other passengers - so please, let's all stay calm and behave more responsibly than the union and the 75% of drivers who voted 'no'.
Karen
said
Quit all blaming Andre C because clearly the vote results show that the majority supports him, you cowards.
I hope you all lose your homes and cars because you can't pay your bills. Then you'll have to rely on the bus to get you to the picket lines - oh wait. There aren't any buses. Oh well!
Remember, dear OC workers - "Do unto others, as you'd have then do unto you." I guess you want people to make your life a living hell too?
But I digress...Greed is a sin and there's only on judge.
uOttawa Student
said
Go Larry - I'm 100% behind you!
Tarek
said
Buddy, you are being brain washed by an out-of-touch union that has grasped the reality of the times we are in. You need to stick to voting on the contract in front of you, not voting because you were forced to vote. Don't vote because you don't like the Mayor - that is dumb
Enough is Enough
said
Enough is Enough
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Michel (Ottawa)
said
To all you folks that are taking the time to write here and DO NOT support this strike action: EMAIL YOUR WARD COUNCILLOR AND THE MAYOR to express your view and clearly indicate that you do not want the city to back down from trying to fix the scheduling inequity.
Go to: www.ottawa.ca/index_en.html
Scroll down a bit and you’ll see the links on the right hand side.
If you email the mayor and your councillor each and every time you post something here, the municipal government will have to listen. Transpo union voices are less than 2,500. This number is trivial if the remaining 800,000+ citizens stand up and complain.
Laura
said
K. Lowe
said
Mr O'Brien has continually lied to the tax payers and citizens of Ottawa while reaping the rewards. He promised a 0% tax increase (the only reason he became mayor). Guess what-my taxes are going up 5%! And the nice fat pay increase? Who's not in touch with reality Larry? How many of you have had a 30% pay increase? This mayor has no one but his own interests at hand. He doesn't care how many people are inconvenienced due to this strike. IF HE DID-He WOULD WANT TO SIT DOWN AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE UNION!.
Stop blaming the drivers for this.
charles
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Mandy
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Mandy
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Erin
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I really hope they are declared an essential service, so it will force them back to work. I am worn out from my 16 km of extra walking each day on top of being on my feet at work all day. Makes me wish I could drive and sit all day in a bus. Angry passengers can not be any worse they the angry ones at a restaurant.
Brian
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Daniel G. N.
said
CHARGE: They've imprisoned seniors, held students hostage, and disregarded the desperate pleas of their suffering community.
POTENTIAL REASON: A lack of formal education and mental capabilities.
PROPOSED SENTENCE: At the sole mercy of the residents of the great city of Ottawa.
Signed,
Sheriff O'Brien
chris
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LAC
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Marty in Ottawa
said
This would be a great time for someone to put some money in a car pool Internet service and advertise it - the media would pick that up in a heartbeat.
It could seriously reduce dependence on OC Transpo
Solidarity
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Derek V
said
Do you want your job?
If YES, return to work. If NO, you will be replaced.
Fed-Up Canadian!!!
said
Sorry I'm NOT a driver! I'm a tax payer just like you and this strike has made my life very hard! Maybe you should read the offer yourself! You would understand what I'm talking about. The city does nothing that does not benefit the city members. I recall the mayer using language like "not possible in this economic climate" How big a raise did they give themselves? Or answer me this, do you really believe we are going to see a tax break for saving all this money from the strike. Your dreaming! The mayor is just like Harper! He thinks he knows what's best for us! He has lost touch with his voters and they won't forget about it!
Shawn
said
This is the "CAPITAL" of Canada, the city that everyone is supposed to look up too. Now we look like the spoiled little kid that kids neglected and picked on by the rest of the country.
What has happened to our society and means of life.
LAC
said
You just proved how people are here are right...you can't even spell and your attitude about throwing people off your bus just goes to show how we think of you drivers, rude, ridiculous and not so bright...keep writing this tuff it's great.
Lee(rural West Ottawa)
said
If there are a few more retirees who would do the same, it would buy time to get rid of OCTranspo and come up something that would work.
My opinion of those who voted NO yesterday is too profane to write down but I will say that I hope they keep voting NO all the way to the food bank which will be empty because of use by the people who have been hurt by their greed and outright stupidity.
Pile
said
HA! I hope you ungrateful drivers stave and freeze this winter. Bunch of lemmings...
SMH
said
You are certainly not helping your cause by issuing empty threats against the very people that fund your wages.
I will thank you though for unbdoubtedly swaying a few more fence sitters to oppose your union's actions. Keep up the good work!
Allen From Nepean area
said
I blame it on the city. Bravo Larry: now we have to way till Wednesday for counsel = 1 week almost and they will for sure decide to maybe go to the table in 2 weeks from now = the other Wednesday so that means we are screwed for another 2weeks minimum. Just get back to work
James
said
It's about the citizens of Ottawa not giving into unreasonable rich contract demands. We pay taxes, which in turn pays for OC Transpo. It isn't about the mayor....get it right.
M in Ottawa/Canada
said
1- The City will hire replacement workers to serve major routes; AND
2- Your union will become obsolete in less than 5 months.
By the way, you can't win if the public is not supporting you..the public is your employer not the City and you have made the citizens of Ottawa very "Angry" at you.
jayme
said
So let me gets this right its fine for the drivers to bash the public cause massive issues.But when the public does something in return you you can't beleve it.Here is something to keep in mind
To get respect you have to show respect.
Meg
said
It's all such a shame, over scheduling, over money, we have given you the money and you tell us to take it back. Seniority should be kept, but the abuse of the scheduling system has been too fargone, for far too long. Enough is enough, seniority should be able to bid on their shifts, and have first priority, BUT they should all be working between 37.5 to 40 hours a week. Working two 20 hour shifts two days in a row and getting paid overtime is undemocratic, as well as unsafe. Lack of sleep, you put your passengers as well as the other drivers at risk.
Grow up, get back on the road for the sake of the 1.1 million people.
Daniel G. N.
said
Ladies and gentlemen, the union head is not solely to blame, as he is merely a symbolic representation of the negative qualities embodied by the drivers. Let me remind you that most, if not all of us, have witnessed or experienced just how rude or savage these bus drivers can be. As human beings, we "accept" these individuals; however, as bus drivers, this behaviour can no longer be "tolerated." Let us be honest, this civil disobedience is merely an on-going manifestation of a universal antisocial personality and lack of character embodied within our city bus drivers. So, my fellow citizens, the solution to this current fiasco is simple: the world is in a recession, and the city's offer was more than generous given this economic climate; therefore, I expected that the vote on the current and final city proposal would be an overwhelming "yes." However, the vote was a "no," thus we, as a city, must address a much larger issue in the long-term: serious reform and educational training (e.g. sensitivity training) of our bus drivers. If we address the core problems, then we can mediate the peripherals; and, make no mistake my fellow citizens, both the union head and this strike are merely peripheral consequences of a much faulted core.
Paul
said
It is easy for the public to judge, when they are being inconvienced. We do understand what a hardship to the public this strike has caused.
However, as a junior driver at OC Transpo, after looking through the new proposed schedule I would end up having to put in 13+ hrs. to be paid only 7hrs. It means I am finishing my day even later in the evening, than my current schedule. It also means under the new schedule system I will have to work every weekend, with my days off coming during the week and not consecutive. Please try to see it from a personal point of view, what kind of family life could I possible hope to have with this kind of system. It would also mean my wife would lose her job (not being able to work around that type of schedule)
I am a father of three young children, and need to get back to work - but I am not willing to sacrifice my family in order to do so.
Everyone talks about money, this is only a three year contract, the city has saved far more money during this strike than they would lose by keeping the scheduling system the way it is. They can even keep their signing bonus (only given if the new schedule system was taken).
Once again I am sorry for the strike, but there are things happening to the drivers that the public does not taken into consideration.
OC Transpo Hater
said
What is wrong with these people.... they get more benefits than anyone and yet they still dont like it?
In all my years i have never seen something like this happen before.... As a foreigner i find it that they give too much power to unions which is wrong... Giving power to people that have an IQ of less than 10 is just completely wrong.
Someone should slap those drivers hard and let them wake up from their fantasy that they live in and make them see how reality is... for Gods Sake use you'r brains you morons... destroying a city just because they want more money and more benefits.... we all know its not about the scheduling... they just used that excuse to try and get more out of the city
K in Ottawa
said
http://www.ottawa.ca/index_en.html
angry bystander
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James
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danielle
said
Not only they are greedy, the union leader said "we are not doing this for greed but for respect and dignity".
well they lost my respect and for all i care they have no dignity!!!
M in Ottawa/Canada
said
1- In less than 5 months you will no longer have a bus to drive, therefore, you wont be able to throw anyone anywhere. except to throw your self on the sofa.lol
2- Please start improving your language skills for near future interviews.
Brad Huffman
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Homeless Girl
said
And you guys are complaining your not getting enough money.. I'M not getting ANY!! Stop being greedy and do your jobs If your not happy GET ANOTHER ONE!!
Michel (Ottawa)
said
I say again folks, email your councillor and the mayor. Less than 2,500 spoiled brats cannot carry the same weight as 800,000 of us, if we speak up.
EJB
said
Hope the city replaces every single one of you and privatized the service.
D Smith
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Shayan
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Andre's cousin
said
I say get rid of these routes and make OC an Ontario-only service. THEN we can make it an essential service and get buses rolling.
Mad Rider
said
Now you're going to be Hated AND Broke!
Hope your Brothers and Sisters (bleh) keep you warm on those long days on the winter picket line.
Sid Zork
said
If the job is so bad, quit, find something more in your area of expertise, such as say the fast food industry.
To the City and mayor Larry O'Brian, stick to your guns, we've gone this far, don't give in!
Sid in Kanataq
Tom Wilson
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Aline from Ottawa
said
I haven't been able to go out to get groceries for over 2 weeks because I am handicapped and can't afford a taxi. Can some one on strike please pick me up and bring me to a grocery store???
Daniel G. N.
said
Let me be clear: as a junior driver, you willingly took a job knowing the pay, benefits, and scheduling. A lot of bus drivers claim that they work for 13.5 hour days, but only get paid for roughly half the hours. However, we both know that's not the case; as, there are always balancing ways around such exaggerated claims (i.e. a backdoor remedy)! Simply put: no individual would have accepted a position under such ridiculous terms. Who do you think you're fooling?
I think it's time for a logical revolution in this city. No more emotional plays or illogical pleas. See through the bull, folks.
dreamweaver
said
Time for Residents to Take Back its City
said
And by the way, there are some good bus drivers, but there are a lot more rude, unprofessional ones that seem to take pleasure in driving their bus in a manner that makes its riders grip on for dear life. It all makes more sense to me now after seeing the 75/25 vote.
ML
said
OC Driver
Lets be fair. You are not working 13+ hours and only getting paid for 7 but are working 7 hours in a 13 hour day based on split shifts.
Yes things might no be as good a you may like but at least you have a job. These are tough times and if you do not like the terms of your employment there are others that would gladly accept and perhaps you could try to get another job that satisfies your schedule.
Lilly
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CL
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Tarek
said
As a taxpayer, I have made it my duty to read and understand the issues of both sides. In these economic times, rich contract raises and demands are ludicrous and not being met around the world, so why should they in our city. I don't want a tax break. I want the issue solved, but I am not prepared to be held hostage by an out-of-touch union.
WoW!
said
You are the s*** I scrape off my shoes at the end of the day. Not even my dog would sniff you. Go back to that rock you crawled out of. You deserve to freeze your *** off.
To Larry and city council, no matter what, DO NOT GIVE IN. Actually, we need to scale the offer back a little. No more signing bonus and drop the raise from 7.25 to 4% over three years.
Jon B.
said
You claim to have read the city's offer with an unbiased mind yet you conclude your comment by bashing the Mayor? Good one!
And since when does "negotiating" mean we won't go back to work until we get what we want? The fact is, if negotiations resume, the union won't concede until they get what they want... scheduling. The city has tried to satisfy by giving them more everywhere else, but in the end it is the union that has proven that they will NOT negotiate. You think that the union would except an offer that gives them scheduling but calls for a pay cut? Because that is what negotiating means, give a little get a little. Seems like the union just wants what they won't and won't except anything less. To everyone who voted to continue the strike: Get your head out of your arse and join the rest of us who have jobs and are thankful for it.
Karen
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don ottawa
said
Richard
said
You claim to be a professional with more education than any driver. I would like to find out where you have access to all of our backgrounds. I for one have the benefits of a good education however many other drivers are far more educated than myself and more than the general population. Your stereotyping is very interesting. You would like us to "rought" (learn how to spell). For many of us this will not even come close. I sold a successful business that will be paying me for years to come, and most of the drivers have second jobs. I haven't touched my income for 2 years and can sit out for another year very easily. We are holding out for reasons that no one has bothered to take a serious look at.
KB
said
If your job isn't convenient for your family, then Q U I T !
HEY MAYOR? DONT YOU THINK WE SUFFERED ENOUGH?
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Jeff from U of O
said
1.) They somehow go back to the negotiating table- unlikely...
2.) OC transpo is made an essential service which will take several weeks to process.
3.) Privatize OC transpo, or have another company take over running the transit system.
4.) Once the union actually stops working, then fire them all but mandatory pay for their severance package?
And the thing is, I don't think Larry can give in...if he did then wouldn't the federal workers demand for the same conditions and % salary increase + benefits? All this is outside my region of studies but still, if anyone knows a definate answer, please do tell :).
Julie - Saskatoon
said
Wow, way to shoot yourself in the foot. Have you ever heard the saying "you will catch more flies with honey"? The sad thing is, I'm sure the 75% of the people who voted 'NO' have the same, ignorant feelings that you do.
I'm sorry, you do not need a college degree to do your work. I have an engineering degree and bus drivers make more than me! That is not the way in which society is supposed to run. You are supposed to be rewarded for the sacrifices of education. Else, why would anyone put their lives on hold for 4, 5, 10 years to get a degree? People don't just become doctors or lawyers because they want to help people, the money should be incentive.
A semi-driver requires more training than you. I'd like to see said semi-driver go to his employer and say "I want to work these hours, I don't care when the customer needs my delivery, I want to see my family". Like many other posters have said: If you don't like the job, get out of the business.
I'm from Saskatoon, but I've been following the strike. Hold fast, Ontarioans! Unions are fast becoming a thing of the past, as their original intent is no longer to protect the workers but to squeeze every penny out of the employers as possible. I hope that all of the things agreed upon so far are taken off the table, and a new "bare bones" offer is made.
I feel sorry for the Junior drivers, the elderly, the students, and people who have lost their jobs because of this silliness. My heart goes out to you all.
Daniel G. N.
said
To quote Machiavelli, "Vertue 'gainst fury shall advance the fight..."
Geoff
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J in Ottawa
said
We are in a recession. If you don't like the offer, do what the rest of us do QUIT!
Privatize OC Transpo as soon as possible!
Unemployed
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K. Lowe
said
This has "nothing" to do with Larry O'Brien? Um, who is the Mayor? Who is one of the seats at the negotiating table? That's right-Mr "I do Nothing" O'Brien. If Mr O'Brien was serious about wanting this strike to end, he and the city would be doing everything possible to end this strike. Instead, city council doesn't meet about the issue until Wednesday. He just choosing not to do anything about the strike. Big difference!
Jayme
said
People have lost jobs can't get to job interviews etc.Yetd rivers should get respect.Aslo there have been a good number of drivers bashing the public so by your logic that is fine.There not beeing spit in there faces any thing but.Schedule a side they want 9% over 3 years raise as well as a ton other items.
General Public
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Anti Union Economist
said
Since when did this become a respected position?
The qualifications of a bus driver are the same of a Tim Hortons worker. But you make 3 times as much and get a pension.
Take what you can get so I don't have to be late for work every morning.
Maybe we can all get a gas reciept paid by a transit worker?
Helen
said
If you don't like the shifts then look for another job. You WON'T find one that pays you as well as this one. Get back to work and be grateful you are working. A lot of us are not, and have no UI while we search.
H
Danielle
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Christopher
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Jared
said
Privitize the public transit system!!!
KH
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Kevin
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binarg
said
Keep your money, leave our families alone.
I want to be with my kids more then money.
And if you think normal, sane person would put all city to strike over 1% difference in money offers (3% over 2% - less then $50/month difference for individual driver) you really ought to check what information you're getting from media.
When real citizens of Ottawa (not Mayor's media campaign workers) starts LISTENING to what we are RALLY saying, it'll be end of strike because it is not us who is telling lies.
Student
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Jimmy B.
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Alex from Ottawa
said
What i do have to say however is that this vote has screwed us up big time, and we have lost a lot of trust in these driver's. I absoulutly do not have any respect for the driver's that voted NO and for the driver's that did not vote at all!!!!!!
I am buying a car but i know there are many people who can't afford to buy a car and those are the people that need this service the most and their are many of them that rely on you guys. YOU HAVE LET US DOWN so don't expect any kind faces when riders get on your bus, and to the Driver who is threating to kick people off, well good luck with that cuz you'll probably encounter resistance from the whole bus if you try that and watch out you might be the one getting thrown off!!! LOL
CITY PLEASE RESOLVE THIS ISSUE BY NEXT WEEK THE CITIZENS OF THIS CITY NEED IT!!!!!!
Rob Locke - Ottawa
said
The no vote only proves they all think they are "entitled" to their wants. Too bad they have all been brainwashed by their leader.
Folks - please write a short email to the city to tell them not to give in to the union. As well, write to the Labour Relations board today, and tell them you don't think a emergency situation exists because of lack of transit. This will make sure no comsideration is given to making OC Transpo essential.
mo
said
The only good thing that has come out of this mess is a greater sense of caring and community. Thank you to all the strangers out there who have been courteous enough to help some of us get around.
Let’s face it; driving a bus isn’t rocket science. Dig deep down for a bigger set of balls and say no to the brainwashing by your union. I hope that the schedule control you want so badly is worth the respect you have lost and the bridge you transit workers are burning.
Brad Huffman
said
If, as you say "most of the drivers have second jobs" then there will be no problem with getting rid of all of you and hiring a new staff... Because as you sit comfortably at home (because I assume since you're writing on this page, you are not walking the picket line) thousands upon thousands who do not have these "second jobs" are stranded. Thanks a lot for making the lives of others miserable while you demand more. You are worse than a politician.
KO from TO Perspective
said
I think drivers needs to appreciate what they have; quite frankly, a JOB. No job is absolutely perfect, and having split shifts does have some advantages.
As for the Mayor's position, I recommend he take a back seat to someone who CAN negotiate. It may all be too personal for him and he appears to be losing his objectivity.
Solidarity
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Elizabeth from Downtown
said
I find it sad that people can't see that. If someone was trying to take something away from you, I'm sure you'd fight just as hard. How many times have I read that it is not about money, and that they would be willing to go back to work if the City takes the scheduling out of the contract.
I understand that people are going through hard times right now but if you need bus drivers to get you around then support them and show the mayor what needs to be done.
Alex
said
I personally have lost over $150 in wages on my already pathetic $630 I take home every two weeks. With this I barely make enough to cover bills and food for me and my girlfriend, who herself is unemployed and has found it totally impossible to even make it to any interviews for any hope of getting a job. WE are members of the community, and it is directly because of OC Transpo's greed that the quality of life for me and the woman I love has gone to crap.
I hate everyone in ATU Local 279. I hope you all get fired without compensation and your welfare application is denied.
Tony from Nepean
said
Fed Up in Nepean
said
Solidarity - you have just proven that as a whole OC drivers are arrogant, rude and abusive. You have absolutely no regard for the people who ride the buses and hold them in contempt. We are now starting to stand up for ourselves and are telling you and the polituicians that we do not like you and would dearly love to see the entire lot fired. You want to drive a bus?? $15.00 an hour, no union, no contract, no benefits, no seniority.
If and when you might come back to work I will have the OC complaints number on speedial and will have no hesitation to use it. Get ready for a storm.
You have a VERY good deal now and you will loose it - I hope
Logical
said
Your statement, “I sold a successful business that will be paying me for years to come, and most of the drivers have second jobs,” says it all. You’re wealthy, but you take this job, that you all say is so difficult, because it really is a cushy deal. You even disprove your drivers’ arguments that they have no time for a quality life. How can they work second jobs if they are so hard pressed for time? Why would they be doing second jobs with the good pay they are getting, particularly since such a big deal is made of not having a quality family life? Greed is why, and that’s what the whole union’s position is all about.
Your argument is not logical, Mr. Good Education.
Disgusted in our goverment & the drivers!!!!!!!
said
Frustrated downtown worker
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Scott
said
"I for one have the benefits of a good education however many other drivers are far more educated than myself..."
Good for you. Then you won't mind it when the citizens of Ottawa and the region as a whole demand that OC Transpo be closed and the high-paid drivers are fired.
Obviously the ATU and its members could care less about the citizens of Ottawa. Guess what? We no longer care about you - just look at the lack of support for this strike!
If the city can live without the bus service for another month, or hires lower paid replacement drivers, then you and your selfish brothers and sisters can gleefully get another job. Good luck with that as we head into a recession!
ML
said
How can "most" drivers have second jobs as you say of they claim to be working 13 hour days.
If you are so "wealthy" as you claim and do not need the income why are you taking a job away from someone who might need it. I don't believe you you selfish geeedy liar.
Employee Walking to Work
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mjane in ottawa
said
As noted, there are a number of complicated issues involved in the contract offer which often do not make a great deal of sense to someone outside the environment. However, one chief point is that the city has declined to specify conditions in a number of areas, asking that these be taken "on faith". This clearly would not be acceptable to anyone signing what amounts to a blank cheque.
Hopefully, the city will reconsider and BEGIN TO bargain in good faith. To date, this does not appear to have been the case. The union negotiators are not inflexible but are unwilling to give up procedures gained during difficult previous negotiations/contracts. That would be tatamount to saying that, because the price of gasoline is high, we are all going back to riding/driving horses!
Edee
said
For all these strikers listen to this statement: The city gave you the chance to schedule your own hours; this is a privilege, not a right. You took advantage of it, you lost it and now you have the nerve to strike about it!? IT'S YOUR FAULT YOU ARE LOSING THE SCHEDULING! STOP MAKING EVERYONE ELSE AROUND YOU PAY FOR YOUR OWN MISTAKE! 32000 people in Canada lost their jobs recently, business in the downtown core is down by 50%, mortgages are almost impossible to obtain and everyone is clinging to their jobs like they cling to a liferaft. Thanks for rubbing it in OC Transpo union with your well paid/good benefits jobs! Thanks for making everyone else pay for you all to be able to take advantage of the system even more. Thanks for trapping elderly people in their homes, making it hard for the regular people to get to work/school/hospital/daycare/ect and not to mention the immense amount of pollution and traffic plaguing the city. Please listen to reason and stop being big cry babies. Unions were made to stop companies taking advantage of you... Now you have managed to turn around this once, great idea, to take advantage of the WHOLE city. Bravo! I didn't think that it was possible for adults to be that selfish and immature.
Samantha Laprade. Ottawa, ON
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david ottawa
said
the demands are not reasonable. respect, how much are they respecting the people who really need this service and cant get around? look who they are punishing: poor people, people with no cars, students, old people who dont have another way to get around. I seriously wonder how many older people have broken hips because of having to walking on ice and snow during this fiasco, I would love to see that stat. the drivers should NEVER have been given the right to control their schedule, pure and simple. obviously they dont want to lose the privilege, but so what - suck it up. what is with the sense of entitlement? some comments on here are very illuminating ie that lots of drivers have second jobs, no wonder they want to pick their own schedules. mgmt should control your schedule and it should not just be the older drivers who get decent hours, sorry, I will never ever agree with that. unless the union is prepared to budge even at all, which I dont think they are, this will go on for awhile and OC will have lost alot of riders. people are finding other options. some of you are going to end up getting laid off because you wont be needed, a consequence that was inevitable. oh well. ra ra Andre, he will be gone in 3 months and where will you be? look around some of you will be unemployed, just a prediction.
jon go
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Chris in Ottawa
said
The city is still behind you. Stick to your guns until the union breaks regarding scheduling. Now that my entire family has had to fully compensate for the lack of bus service, we can go on like this as long as it takes. If it is not resolved till August, that is fine with me.
Taxpayer
said
Andrew Greig
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Bryan
said
They can stay on strike for as long as they want. I'm used to walking, and if anything, I'm personally saving money by not having the buses running.
Dylann
said
NO TRANSPO!
Click here.
Fed up with Ottawa's NO TRANSPO system?
Bus drivers have told citizens what they think of us.
Now we can tell bus drivers what we think of them.
Go to this website, vote and forward to everyone you know. I did.
http://www.fireottawabusdrivers.com/
MP from Ottawa
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Student
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Jordan
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HocKy
said
http://www.petitiononline.com/transpo/petition.html
Proud father
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Sorry guys for being selfish :-)
John
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Gary M in Ottawa
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Jo Smith
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Rich from Ottawa
said
another solution
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ZeroCTranspo
said
The union must go.
no sympathy
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Darren McEwen
said
You say that "most of us have second jobs"? Well this is a really interesting fact. If it's true I wonder how most of you find time to have second jobs when you claim to already be working way too long of shifts and don't have time as it is for family life. Your starting salary is also around $50,000 and goes as high as just over $100,000 (although not many reach that level).
So I question WHY "many" of you have second jobs and secondly how can you have time to have second jobs if you claim to already have a crazy schedule?
Rich
said
We can't continue to be pushed around by this union, Which will only be striking again in 5-10 years anyway. Please post any informaiton on how to support the 100% rejection of this union. New workers? Outsourcing? Any options. We need all offers taken off the table and the city needs to stand strong on this position and simply move forward with replacing these workers.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you
said
I also think that it's imature on the union's part to picket near Algonquin College, blocking students from going to their exams. Yes the drivers are standing up for their rights, but education is a right and people trying to take that away are very selfless! I wish I can still be in my hometown or in Montréal until this is all over, but I cannot stop my life for these clowns!
Mad Andy
said
Daniel G. N.
said
We are a lot alike, you and I. We are both highly educated, have “adequate” financial resources, and are probably not substantially affected by this strike. Truth be told, I do not even utilize public transit in this city. However, we differ in one major respect: compassion and empathy for the less fortunate, and for those who are considerably affected by this act of civil disobedience.
You, and your kind, disgust me. Yes, we have been fortunate and blessed by our current living situations. However, have you ever stopped to consider or even think about the other residents of this great city? How about the elderly who have been imprisoned within their residences, restricted from physical exercise, mobility, or enjoyment of life? That is a slow and painful death for the elderly, both physically and emotionally, as you may know. What about the students? You know, the ones who often leave their homes, comfort, and security, and travel great distances (often on strict budgets) to realize a higher calling? Wow, did you easily forget the struggle and endless effort involved with being a student? How about the people living paycheck-to-paycheck or the unemployed? The ones who have no means of transportation to work or to a job interview, except public transportation. Remember, the young man, looking to support his family, applying for countless positions, finally being called for an interview, yet having to unfortunately ultimately turn down the request due to mobility restraints? Or the middle-aged single mother, with children to support and a looming rent, struggling to pay her monthly bills, yet unable to find an adequate and stable means to work in the morning? Be ashamed of yourself. A great gift must be shared, not hoarded. Remember that, you punk.
flo
said
bored OC Transpo user
said
One thing though, why isn't there a basic service, like a Sunday schedule bus services instead of a full on strike? Quebec city bus driver did it this way few years back, and could get in contact with the public informing them with pamphlet in the buses. Schedules were not the best, but at least a minimum was offered.
I am a lucky one who receives rides from my co-workers, but I am starting to feel imprisonned in my own house on my days off, because taxis are too expensive to be used as a bus alternatives...Please, both sides, return to the table with an open mind and lets end this.
dreamweaver
said
I was also surprised to read that some bus drivers work second jobs. My goodness, how do they do it when they are being forced to work 13.5 hours a day already!
Carl
said
One of the main features of a contract is that it has a start and an end date. "Bargaining in good faith" also does not mean every contract is "better" than the previous one. Every contract is a "whole new ball game".
Leo Keseris
said
Rural Cumberland, Ottawa Citizen
said
The way they protested and prevented students to get to their exams, the way they made Christmas bad for many thousands of local businesses and thousands of citizens... all these factors have basically lost my respect in the union. They simply don't care for anyone but themselves, since where they come from, they have adequate transportation, so this strike doesn't matter to them.
I can't say the city is a lot better, but at least they're acting far more professionally and realistically than the Union. Simple fact is, the city isn't made of gold, and they just expect us to continue overpaying them. In my opinion, make buses an essential service, or allow privatization of all bus routes and commutes immediately.
Fed-Up Canadian!!
said
Try and remember, the drivers vote on the contract, not the union. I am very happy that the drivers are sticking to their guns and not being held hostage by the city. I hope all remember, the drivers pay taxes too!
As per making this personal, I would trust Chiarelli before this clown!
kim
said
I am a daughter of a driver who retired two years ago. My father gave oc transpo 38 yrs of his life, we as a family lived through 3 strikes and were never so glad to see the day when he retired. What a lot of people do not realize is that when you are hired on you are paid the same as the guy that has worked there for 38 yrs. The only incentive, bonus or so called advantage that he had was the scheduling. To remove that from drivers is just wrong. If that be the case then pay them on a different pay scale so that there would be incentives for the people working their way up the workplace ladder.
These drivers are good people, not low lifes or uneducated bums as everybody is accusing them to be. They have young families and need to survive like everybody else. I agree 100% that this strike is debilatating but the drivers do have a right to strike. If our Mayor felt so strongly about finding a comprimise why does he not pony up his 30% pay increase to show good faith or better yet offer a rebate on everybodies taxes with all the millions he is pocketing with the buses not being on the road (yeah right). Being that this is the transit system for the city there is never going to be a "good time" to strike.
In the end I feel bad for the abuse that the drivers are going to take when they go back to work, spitting in someones face? Its nice to know things have not changed, my father was beaten, spit on and swore at...its a good thing this is such a easy job.
Drop the scheduling and get back to work!!!!
Yet another OC hostage
said
fire them all
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JSC
said
I took the time yesterday to read thoroughly, the ATU website to try to gain a better understanding of their 'beef'. When I was finished I could honestly say I learned a few things that have not been spoken about in the media much, if at all, and I found myself almost supporting them.
But when I read driver's comments on this forum about "not sacrificing my family and quality of life" my empathy dissipates rather quickly. I am 1 of hundreds in the city who live like this: For 3 years I have worked evenings and weekends, passing my husband at the front door as he comes home from his day job. This is the price we are paying for me to stay home with the kids during the day, to avoid the outrageous cost of daycare. It is short term pain for long term gain. My family will benefit in the long term for sacrifices we make today.
Drivers, you're not the only ones in this city who are faced with 'less than ideal' schedules. Suck it up and get over it or, get a different job. As you've mentioned in this forum, it's only a 3 year contract. At this particular time in our fledgling economy, you're doing your family an injustice. Think about the long term impact you could be brewing for yourselves.
FC
said
It’s unfortunate for the great drivers and mechanics etc within OC Tranpo that voted YES
(these guy’s and woman value what they have FAMILY, A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD FOOD ON THE TABLE AND MOST OF ALL A JOB) to be caught in Corneillier’s web. This guy is corrupting your mind, your life etc.
Strikes don’t resolve anything it just creates more animosity amongst everyone. All you drivers, maintenance workers etc … put your placards down for one minute and thinks about this. Do you think you will have the respect from the citizen of Ottawa that actually pay your salaries once the strike is over you once had NO. Do you think you will have respect from your other colleagues that don’t work in the OC Transpo Org. NO. Do you expect to retain the friendship you once had with other city workers, NO. Do you think your management team will look at you differently YES. That is what you should have voted YES to the contract you were being offered. It’s far better than what your getting now which is nothing.
You sure as hell lost all my respect.
Martin
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Matthew Castiglia
said
OTTAWA - Don't Cave in - Hold Your Ground
said
When it's all said and done, you will have another problem on your hands -building ridership back up. People have found alternate ways to cope, which is great and many will not come back to OC anytime soon
Shane Beckinsale
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Not impressed
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Tom
said
Hey drivers, wake up! Your esteemed union leader has nothing to lose...he is still being paid...he is not on strike...you call Ottawa a dictatorship...take a look at your union.
STOP WASTING TIME! RULE ESSENTIAL NOW!!
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ANNOYED OFF WORK NO PAY
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One of the million supporters of the City
said
- No negotiation with the union anymore!
- Try to make oc transpo an essential service ASAP!
- If call for essential service fails, start to privatize and contract ASAP!
- Don't give the union and the drivers any chance to regret, let them suffer!!
Let's Solve This
said
-Drivers do not get paid over $100,000 (it was 1 or 2 and they worked for it)
-Most drivers have post secondary, either college or university, just because they choose not to push papers all day does not make them "uneducated"
-It is not about the money
- They are not greedy, they are simply protecting what they have worked for. You would do the exact same thing, and if you say no you are probably a liar.
- If you think it is such an easy job they are hiring so come and apply
- Just because other workers have less salaries and benefits then the drivers, why would they accept to lose theirs? How does that make sense? I don't think anyone that has posted here would agree to give up their salary or benefits so don't suggest the drivers give up theirs.
- You call drivers greedy but everyone on this site seems to have the poor me syndrome as well, not offering to help anyone, just complaining.
- The ones who say they can't wait until the drivers are back, they are going to tell them off... not smart, you probably will get thrown off the bus and be stuck without a ride again.
- Lets get the union and city back to the table and get this matter resolved!
Dave
said
Paul Mahoney
said
But for now I will say get rid of the union and hire new workers. even if it takes year to get rid of the union and the transit workers
Hmm.
said
Baby steps.
Then we should start to slowly replace the bus drivers. If they think the offer is so unreasonable, I would love to see them find jobs with better pay and benefits than they have presently with the economic times and their level of education.
DJ
said
Enough!
said
their vote, the only issue that matters to them is the scheduling issue. Well...you have spoken, now it is our turn. All right - we will draft up another contract. This time all drivers must pay for the difference it will cost the city for this scheduling issue because the tax payers WILL NOT. Since this is so dear to your hearts, you will pay for the difference and that includes the cost of extra buses and drivers as well. If not then - NO DEAL! And you can go out there and find yourselves a job like everyone else from 9:00 to 5:00 and stop your whinning. I am sure there are many of us out there willing to put up with scheduling done by management (NORMAL) and work for your pay....(MUCH BETTER THAN MOST).
Another angry student
said
The bus drivers ask for respect but who honestly will bother to give them it when they return to work. I am one of the thousands of citizens that have been left out in the cold to fend for ourselves. It is awful and insulting to think that they knew the effect it would have on us, especially at Christmas.
Like many others I have smiled and thanked the bus driver every time I got on and off the bus. I certainly won't be doing that anymore. It has been an insult to students and others who can't afford another means of transportation. I feel betrayed by bus systems that I have relied on.
For the point they are trying to prove, the wrong people are being inconvenienced. Its not the mayor that suffers but all the citizens who can't do their daily business.
Will bus drivers tolerate the amount of rude, profane and other attacks that will happen when they go back to work ? The bus drivers claim to be upset, but I think the citizens are just as mad at this point.
Its a bigger mouthful then they bargained for.
Bus rider
said
That is why we have to take action to correct this. You as driver to play with schedule, so you can have second job or another business. This makes me so sick. Go ahead and live on your other income then! Your job will be taken away as bus driver. You do not deserve it!
Tracey - Ottawa
said
Although I can sympathize that shifts, not getting weeekends off, and no consecutive days off may be difficult, that's what happens when you are a junior in any organization.... if the pay is good and the benefits are good, you deal with it until you slowly get more seniority and slowly move up. That's life. It's called "Working your way up", look it up.
Many other people around this city work shifts, odd hours, etc.. raise children and somehow manage to make it work. You can too.
On another note, I would caution people to not take out any sort of retalitory action on ANYBODY (rider or drive) once this is over. For example, how would you feel if you did something stupid, and spit on a driver only to find out that driver consistently voted to accept the contract. Yes, there are some that did (2% and 25%). Not only is it rude, crass and disgusting, it doesn't get you anywhere and only escalates problems (and may make that person want to vote No next time, again and again and again)
peggy
said
S.T. Collisse
said
Car pooling is a completely different animal when you are coming from let's say the eastern part of Gatineau and perhaps travelling to Kanata. Try negotiating the bridges with your anger in check.
Way to go you selfish drivers.
Sophie, Ottawa
said
CITIZENS STRIKE AGAINST OCTRANSPO
said
I thought of a terrific plan to throw off OCTRANSPO but it must be petitioned throughout the city. We have survived this strike for 31 days, we have found new ways of getting around. My brilliant plan is a follows for the time OCTRANSPO was on strike we the citizens go on strike against octranspo. we dont buy bus passes or tickets for however many days they went out in stike for. If OCTRANSPO has noone on their buses then they cant make money , if they have no sales then they will suffer in the end with having no money to pay the drivers, mechanics and they will fall into a pit of despair and pity. They will beg at our mercy to ride their buses again and more than likely reduce fares and realize that the riders of the bus can play hardball too, This event should start the day the buses make a return from the strike and continue for as long as they striked for. This will be sweet justice and show that as citizens we have a say. This entire strike caused so many problems for so many of us during the hardest of times for some and causing worries and problems for many.
OCTRANSPO BE PREPARED FOR A CITIZENS STRIKE!!!
Ones Gain is Others Loss
said
All citizens of Ottawa should ban OC Tanspo, and see where and how the union, and workers they get paid. The total job loss for Canada in December is now 35000. And these seniors want a raise and able to schedule there shifts.
Cristina
said
Once a significant number of CVs have been received, I would offer the current workers a final contract and stipulate that, should they continue to be selfish and greedy, then so be it. They will all be laid off, and new employees will be hired. Yes, the city of Ottawa will be required to pay out their severance, however, are we not already paying through our taxes anyway? I would rather see all of this end, and get back to normal life, than to see any of those snivelling, whining, good for nothing employees who have a child like mentality that everything is owed to them and should be presented on a silver platter get any such benefits out of all of this!
Sammy in Ottawa
said
Can city councillors not work on the weekend to come up with a plan of action? I suppose this issue is not important enough to them since they have the luxury of a vehicle. I have supported the city's position this entire time but now, I feel that the city and the union have both alienated Ottawa residents.
The two sides will continue their power struggle while thousands of innocent people will endure more suffering. To the City and the union: How can you sleep at night knowning that so many people have lost their jobs and many more are cutting back on their food expenses to pay for expensive transportation such as taxis?
Irene in Orleans
said
I feel terrible for those who rely on public transit daily to get to work but frankly, let OCT strike as long as they want.
I can suck it up and deal with the inconvenience, get up at 4:30am to go to work downtown and help out others without cars alot longer than they can last on the picket lines...go ahead, try me.
Jane
said
How about you tell us what you want, and I will tell you what I want. What is the point of raising the rates and declining the quality of service!!! I didnt get a raise this year, or last year, but all of my expenses are going up. Should I strike too? Guess what, its called they will find someone else to do my job! The city should, and I hope will find someone else to do your job. It seems like it is only part time for you anyways and other drivers, so why not get people in there that will treat it as a job!
stranded in ottawa
said
I have friends who are planning on buying a car because they are sick of this and don't want to take the chance of it happening again. They all have small children that need to get to daycare so that they can get to work. One of my friends is having a hard time getting to the grocery store to feed her son...So a comment for the union...I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO SYMPATHY FOR YOU WHATSOEVER, STOP BEING SELFISH AND GET BACK TO WORK....I hope the city demands a revote where every member of the union is forced to vote...those votes count.
Struggling Citizen living in Ottawa
said
My apartment was pretty conveniently located; bus stop a block away, grocery store across the street, doctors around the corner. But work is an hour and a half away on foot.
A few years ago I was quite an athlete, playing soccer and badminton, but I had to resign due to bad knees and a pulled Achilles Tendon. I have to take medication for both and they aren't cheap! Because I just moved to Ontario from BC, my insurance doesn't cover the medication costs because its considered 'out of province health care.' I have 3 month of full time work before I can get benefits from work and I am not yet eligible of an Ontario health card.
Walking 3 hours a day to and from work and on my feet for 8-10 hours at work, 44 hours a week. My body can't handle this stress! Nor can my bank book. I am too poor to cab to work, and too poor not to. What can I do? Blame OC Transpo and send them my Medical bills? HA! that would be nice! All I can do as a struggling citizen is cross my fingers and hope for my sake that the busses will come back as soon as possible.
Mike S
said
Jon B.
said
So what you are saying is that you have enough money saved to hold out indefinitely or until you get what you want? You claim to have a good education, but where is your decency? Ya YOU are ok financially at the moment, but what about everyone else in the city? people who have paid to use this service, people who are bending backwards financially just to get to work, not to mention the thousands that have been so unfortunate to lose their jobs due to the slumping economy. And here you are BRAGGING that you are financially set, as if to get sympathy for what you are doing? Nobody will take a serious look because there are issues today that are far more serious than overpaid city employees whining because they aren't getting what they want.
Chantal Aiken
said
Annie in Ottawa
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Sarah in Ottawa
said
One of the comments in the article by André Cornellier states that "members will not accept to be at work for 13.5 hours and only get paid for half." Last time I checked, slave labour was outlawed, so this is obviously not the case.
Visit any public hospital and speak to a RN. They went through hell getting their contract, and as educated front-line workers with a BScN (4 year degree) to their names, they make less than a bus driver, have 6 sick days, are not allowed to "bank" sick days into the following year (which is a thing of the past) and certainly do not have control over their scheduling.
I hope the city replaces ALL the bus drivers, there are plenty of university graduates with much worse contracts who would be glad to take what the city's offering.
MP in Ottawa
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Kim Carson
said
If you cannot read or understand a scheduling matrix, go to school not to strike. Truck drivers do not get to see their families for months. Paycheque not as good as yours I might add. Do you hear them complain much less go on strike for this?
Want better work conditions ? You are on your own. Dont drag us into it. Go on indefinite hunger strike. Better yet ask Andre the Horrible to do it. He will be (or should be) more than willing.
And yes get yourself some more education to help you think how you (ATU LOCAL 279) are actually HELPING in making Mayor Larry a cult figure.
Melissa
said
KL
said
I read the city's offer paying particular attention to the scheduling issue which is obviously the bone of contention.
The employees currently control their own scheduling. It is obviousl then have abused the system resulting in higher costs. They may have made their lives easier (creating mished mashed shifts, more overtime opportunities) but they have cost the taxpayers money. If they truly wanted to keep scheduling their own shifts, then they should have been much more responsible. They have certainly taken it for granted.
They can go on about family and their lives and whatever other whining comes to mind. I have no sympathy for them. The city wants to take back managing scheduling; the bus drivers still get to choose; however, there is less cost waste than the current system. As a taxpayer that appeals to me.
I have this to say to the bus drivers, if you don't like shift work then find something else. To the city, I say stand firm.
pointing out reality
said
"I cant wait till you get on my bus so I throw your a**** out,,,,"
It better be for a good reason or you'll have lawsuits galore on your hands and your job will go poof.
But, you probably won't have to worry about making it to the lawsuit and the "getting fired stage". You better be a one man army if you are going to do that. You have a bunch of very angry people that will be using the service when it comes back. You try to throw one person off the bus for anything and you will have a busload of even angrier people to possibly fight off. It takes the police how long to get to your bus to save your butt? A mob of very angry people can do lots of damage in a very short amount of time. It would be like going to a bar and hitting on the girlfriend of a 6 foot five biker whose has 15 of his buddies there with him.
I'm not saying that its right and I don't support physical violence but I'm just pointing out that its a very dangerous thing to do and you might end up screaming about your rights from a hospital bed after months of rehab.
I don't want to see anyone in jail or in the hospital over any of this. Use common sense. Maybe the drivers should give up the bonus and the raise to put a steel cage around the drivers seat.........
Former Rider
said
The "quality of life" complaints around the scheduling for drivers seem a bit petty when compared to the critical issues facing many of their ridership right now. People are losing their jobs, their homes and their health as a direct result of this strike already - it can't be allowed to continue.
Declare public transit an essential service and be done with it. I do hope that when it is all over, and the drivers are back on the job that they are provided with flak jackets and face guards as unfortunately it sounds like they will require them.
furious student
said
30 000 people lost their jobs in november as the economy is in a recession. Let's let 2300 drive a RECTANGLE and get back to work and put these bums on the street.
Student/Minimum wage worker
said
OC Transpo bus drivers want better hours. They expect to work 9-5 like everybdoy else in this world wants, nobody seems to want to work nights or weekends. Anyways the reason they have to work odd hours is because they are driving people home, people who also have to work odd hours. The reason Billy the bus driver has to drive at midnight is because hes driving Susan, Tom, and Andrea home from a long minimum wage paid shift at Burger King. Why do bus drivers deserve better hours but the real working class do not? Stop using "family" as an excuse. I never see my family because I'm always at school and work.
Gary M in Ottawa
said
dan
said
Holly R
said
I suppose this means that the strike goes on until the poor children of the workers have no food in their stomachs, and maybe then, and I stress MAYBE, they will realize that they need to work, just like the rest of us.
I have no children and very few bills, and even I could not survive on 50 dollars a week.
Steven
said
Sick Of Your Egos
said
jason
said
Besides the mayor says there is no money and we are in hard times.Well then why did the give theselves an 18% raise.Wasnt this all over the news.
Thomas, Ottawa
said
Everyone is tightening their financial belts. Asking for more sick days, more flexibility costs more money. Money, that the city has to come up with by taxing us, the residents.
Bus drivers, I'm honestly sorry that you feel upset by not being able to pick you own schedule that suits your life. The reality is that most people work 8 to 10 hours a day, and fix their life to fit the work schedule.
Bus drivers are civil servants, and the city depends on them. Legislate them back to work, *now*, and remove the right to strike, as they are an essential service.
Wanting YOUR job
said
shirley from ottawa
said
Resigned to the Inevitable
said
Given some of the rather visceral and venomous comments launched toward the union by the local populace over the last few days, one would have thought they would have realized one inevitable truth: that the city will have to privatize now.
While a plethora of factors led up to this, the most recent union decision has polarized the citizens of the region against the actual drivers. Any solution now between the city and the union to cause them to resume work is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is this - with the high levels of angst among citizens, putting union drivers back behind the wheel is nothing short of a liability nightmare.
It is expecting too much to think that somewhere in the million-plus populace, no one will hurl an insult or an angry remark at a unionized driver, and that tempers from both sides will be kept under control.
Liability. That's the issue. And it ONLY goes away with privatization now.
j thompson
said
shannon
said
But tell me something bus drivers were crying that they didnt feel safe, ppl bad mouthed them..etc...
Tell me how do you think the public the ones that you have held hostage for over a month now some have lost jobs,some wont make their marks in school,some cant see their loved ones cause of YOU!!! How do you think they are gonna feel towards you when this is done?????? You need to think of the ppl you are holding hostage as much as yourselves...
Marilyn
said
L.Hamilton
said
walking to work and willing to do it.
said
Bus drivers are asked to work from 5:00 am to 9:00am during peak times. Then they have time off, but must return and work from 3:00 pm to 7:00 another peak time. During the time off they are NOT paid. They are paid only for the actual time they worked - 8 hours. However, they have had time off during the middle of the day. Hmmm.... would you like to work like that? Each day?
Also, after 15 years of working and amassing seniority would you be willing to lose your right to not have to work weekends and nights? After 15 years of service would you want to have to work Saturday and Sunday, still? Or nights, still.
Would you want to have to go to work, each month to fix your monthly schedule with the administration and spend 4 hours doing it but be paid for only two hours?
Would you want to never have two days off in a row?
These are some of the scheduling issues. It's too bad the media doesn't actually tell us this.
Adam
said
jimbo
said
Frustrated Student
said
Jean
said
I don't think so. You would pay far more, for less runs and services would be none existant is some area.
Brad
said
Gerry Whalen Brighton
said
Harry
said
Umar Farooq-KHILH
said
As for the Mayor, I really don't hold you in a favourable limelight right now, however your only face saving grace would be if you immediately opened up the transitway to the public-including the designated bus lanes along the 174 freeway to allow the much suffered citizens to get to their jobs on time, immediately hold an emergency session and hire replacement workers and and get at least the essential buses like the 94 & 95 on the road for Monday morning, and above all, PREVENT YOURSELF FROM CAVING IN NOW!!! These people do NOT deserve a penny more and it would be high time for that wake up to reality call!
To the striking drivers...I really pity you for your actions. As with any job, you knew IN ADAVANCE what the position entailed and yet you accepted the offer; and now you guys are whining and crying? for what? Having said all this, continue to stay out and freeze. ATU's time is coming. We have made it thus far, we'll make it to the end! Shame on you!
David
said
Ottawa Student
said
bblakey
said
Neil,Nepean
said
Jennifer
said
The ATU needs to realize that public transportation is an essential service and the union itself is very non-essential.
angry tax payer
said
Gary in Ottawa
said
I hope that the City will get serious and privatize OC Transpo. Then we'll look at your new benefits and schedule.
Bob B
said
April M
said
Put them back to work and let their so called union figure it out so we have bus service this is ridiculous...if I even remotely lose my WSIB benefits due to not being able to go to the doctors then Im gonan be suing OC Transpo plain and simple
We have had enough either shut up get back to work till this is done or get my email and contact me and start my training I will gladly drive a bus for what they are getting now
FED UP U GUYS R DONE Come on people let's go and boycott OC Transpo be right there yelling right back at them ont he picket lines
Chris
said
Irene in Orleans
said
Quick Math
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Don
said
Put them into the ranks of the unemployed and contract the bus service to the private sector, Gee property taxes may even go down as a result.
William
said
Randy
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Fred Swayne
said
As a person who has worked split shifts, I fully understand the drivers position. Go to work for 3-4 hrs; then what? Go home, not likely. By the time you get there it's time to go back. You don't really have time to do anything. While you may only actually work 7 to 8 hrs in a day, it takes 12 - 13 hrs to complete. Not good for family life, etc.
The fact that they held the strike at Christmas, you strike when you are most noticed.
Drivers pay, they are paid well, but they do hold specialized licences. There are lots of other people in society who are paid a lot more for work of much less value. Sports stars, radio and TV hosts spring to mind.
A unionized company I worked for had a similar problem with shifts. What they did was post the shifts to be covered, they were bid on and then approved by management. It worked well, not everyone was happy but most were.
One of the things I dislike about this whole thing is how the Mayor and several radio hosts (Lowell Green, et al) decided to publicly negotiate this contract on the radio. Would they allow us to be there when they set up their contracts and have a say over their pay and benefits. I don't think so.
By doing this, they pushed both sides into a corner.
In actual fact, if instead of wasting time blowing hot air on the radio, everyone sat down at the table, with or without a mediator, a solution could be found.
A negotiation is a give and take situation, no one company or union, should come with a closed mind or fixed position.
Jenn
said
I am the wife of a Canadian Solider, who's husband is
on his way back to Afghanistan for his second tour of
duty. I have been reading and watching the news to try
and keep up on all that is going on with the strike
but frankly, I am sick and tired of hearing you people complain about making up to 80 grand a year to drive and fix and dispatch buses. A soldier going to Afghanistan might make half that. With no complaints, these men and woman are away from family and friends
for up to a year at a time.
You guys have unreasonable demands from the city at a time of uncertainty not only in Canada but around the world. I think you guys need to realize what you are putting this city through, and the people living in it. Working at jobs alot harder then yours and making less money. You need to take what is offered to you. You chose the job and everything that comes along with it.
You are making fools of yourselfs on the news, crying and complaing that its not fair. well it's not fair that my husband has to go and fight a war, while you guys complain about sick leave, and more money. GROW UP, Act like adults, and take what is given to you, you don't like it go and find another job.
April M
said
I AM DONE WITH UR SERVICE
Make sure in your contract you guys get MUST HELP With all shopping carts, strollers and bags being brought on to ur buses then amybe u guys can actually say you deserve to get benefits if ya all get hurt sitting
I am on WSIB due to getting hurt at work and you know what I get 85% of my pay not 100% and I was actually doing PHYSICAL LABOUR
so if you guys get 100% then the rest of us on WSIB better fight for that too
Paul
said
Un-freakin-believable ?!!
BT
said
Absolute failure on that front, Mr. Cornellier - your public comments have driven the respect for your union's members to what may be an all-time low.
If drivers thought they had to deal with rude riders before, it's probably going to be much worse. I know I won't be showing much respect after this unless it's to individual drivers who earn it through their actions, and my tolerance for the rude or bad drivers will be much, much lower than it was before.
To the other members of the transit riding public - when the buses start rolling again, don't give the bus drivers any slack or benefit of the doubt when they do something you find objectionable. Hold them accountable and call OC Transpo's feedback line with every issue that comes up.
JE
said
And I am not sure why the MP is going to appoint an arbitrator they had one and it didn't work. Legislate them back to work or fire them.
Joseph Deschamps
said
It is my opinion that the union is making life for the people of Ottawa unnecessarily difficult, and in some cases perilous. They have made their point, that they are unhappy with the contract offered by the city. If neither side is able or willing to move, there is no point in continuing in this action. There are alternatives. If the union wanted to get their message out, mission accomplished. Move on.
The sticking point, as I understand it, is the scheduling of drivers. This is very much a safety issue. Quality of life for the drivers is important, but not at the expense of safety on the road. The system of shift scheduling that the union wants would allow drivers to work unsafe numbers of hours without thought for what is best for the riders.
The rest of us have to work hours that are not necessarily convenient for us. We are not allowing truck drivers to work more than 14 hours at a stretch, without an 8 hour rest period. Should people carrying the lives of people not be as responsible as those carrying canned goods?
Most importantly, it's time to move away from the chaos that has been caused by this strike. Lives have been disrupted enough already.
Go to binding arbitration. If neither the city nor the union can be adult enough to compromise in some way, then it's time for somebody to decide what is best for the public that both sides claim to be serving. If the drivers are unhappy during this process, they can still picket, in a safe way, but on their own time. They will be seen and heard.
Students have lost time. They might lose the work of a whole semester. Some university and college students were held at picket lines, with the union members knowing fully that it would cause them to possibly fail entire courses. If I were those students, I would seriously consider a class action suit against the union and the city for the cost of tuition for the semester lost.
The same thought applies to those who lost their jobs, their livelihoods, because one group is so determined to get what it believes is its prerogatives, and another would not compromise, or put forth a new proposal. Daycare, lost wages, lost business and lost security. The tally is mind-boggling.
Like it or not, Transit is an essential service. Get it together people, and get things moving.
Kevin Shea, Ottawa
said
Now that the striking members of local ATU279 have chosen to turn down the most generous offer (especially in these difficult economic times) from the City of Ottawa, I would strongly recommend to each and every one of those strikers that they update their resumes as soon as possible, and start getting used to "life in the real world" !
On the one hand, I am disappointed that they decided to turn down the offer - because it is an inconvenience to many people who rely on the service, while on the other hand, I know that because the members rejected the offer - there is now a perfect opportunity for our City to start the process to put in place a much more efficient and effective transit system!
MS
said
if you have sold a business that will enable you to sit out for another year easily, why the hell do you have to strike for? You clearly must not need the pay increase so much... do you not feel for the poor citizen that you are making go through hell. Many students do not own cars, and can't afford to cab to school or work. Many have had to quit their job and miss classes. I have a friend that has to walk an hour to work every day with this terrible weather... while you sit on you butt, with the income from your business sold, and all your education, people are suffering... you clearly are not feeling any of the effects of the BS your union is putting us through... you talking about taking a serious look at your reasons... you take a serious look outside for a second... that is if your are not too blinded by greed...
Sim Pastor
said
The real lessons from the OC Transpo workers strike are:
1. the "evil of monopoly".
2. lack of innovation in city administration over the years.
3. poor judgement and confused social policies in Canada.
Privatizing OC Transpo is not a good alternative. Transport should not be declared an essential service except we are planning for a third world economy.
A pragmatic solution will be to rush through a robust legislation that will permit at least two private companies to compete with the OC Transpo and the population will never be taken hostage any longer.
For example, the “death of monopoly” in the communications sector: house phones, cellular, internet etc. has revolutionized the sector and God willing more benefits such as lower fees, choice of service provider etc are on the way.
The advantages of taking off the monopoly of city transportation from OC Transpo will be enjoyed by:
1. the city – less time wasted on selfish negotiations, better services to citizens and
tourists, smart budget, productive workforce.
2. home owners will pay less property tax to support a failed system.
3. commuters will have a decent choice for their money and clean buses for their
liking.
The result, OC Transpo will die a natural death. Period.
P.K.
said
I work in the service industry myself and my days arnt always together... if you dont like it, find another job and give yours to someone who wants to work...!!!
PS. Thankyou to the %25 of workers who voted to return to work...
Sam
said
And Federal and Municipal governments: WE HAVE LONG MEMORIES. Get the situation resolved. This is the nation's capital. Get it fixed.
Paul - Ottawa
said
Ottawa Lady
said
You have made it clear you are a bus driver due to your ridiculous response to others who posted that are not (drivers). Although I don't agree with bashing anyone, you are proving others points in several ways with your post:
1) Most bus drivers are not highly educated (obvious due to your poor puntuation, spelling and sentence structure)
2) That bus drivers are really a******
3) your own lack of character and ignorance
You, Sir, are a perfect example of why the people of this city are outraged. Good luck to you; you will most certainly get what you deserve in life!
Tired of this City
said
We care about how we are being treated. We care how we are being held hostage. How do you expect us to sympathize with you all if none of you sympathize with us?
For that bus driver who wants to "kick our a**** off the bus"--way to fight for that respect you "deserve".
Life is not fair...if only we all had a "leader" to fight our battles...
K
said
James
said
Guess what? You. Drive. A. BUS. That requires almost no skill and as I have personally witnessed about a thousand time, ZERO politeness and people skills. The 'job' you perform could be done by a well trained monkey.
Hearing what you're CURRENTLY paid makes me sick. You don't deserve the money we give you now. In the current economic climate your demands are outrageous.
"Working for 13 hours and getting paid for 7"? Are you completely ridiculous? This is called a SPLIT SHIFT. If you didn't want to work split shifts you should never have applied.
You want to keep control of scheduling? Wow, I wish I could schedule my own work hours so that my buddy and me could work it out that we both get a ton of overtime.
The city should choose from one of 2 options:
1) Reduce the offer; take the bonus off the table - make the offer worse for every month they remain on strike until we can legally fire you all
2) Fire you all now.
To sum up, I hope you all stay on strike and on the cold cold picket lines indefinitely, until it warms up outside and it becomes a more pleasant for you out there....at which point should all be fired immediately. The next time i get on a bus I'm going to spit on the driver and then get off. I have now bought a car and no longer require your services.
Ron from Orleans
said
The other Peter
said
jay
said
There is aslo jobs where there are long shifts.Takes sales most shifts are 8-12 hours.
Zeus
said
Nykki
said
Confused?
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Jack
said
I hope the strike will last long enough to make them realise that the 12 CAD a day in union money is in fact the real market price for what they are worth.
dreamweaver
said
As inconvenienced as I have been by this strike, I would rather continue to deal with the inconvenience than see these money-grubbing, self-absorbed, manipulative, self-serving and petulant transit workers get more than they are worth or deserve!
Oh, and to the driver who was whining about her schedule and the hours she has to work, why not take it up with the senior drivers? Perhaps if they were not taking all the plum shifts and manipulating the system to their financial advantage, you would be able to work shifts that better accommodate your family obligations.
To the junior drivers who voted yes and supported the continuation of the strike, you made the ultimate sacrifice for your brothers and sisters. Too bad that by the time you get seniority, the flawed scheduling system may well be a thing of the past. If this goes to binding arbitration, it may be determined that scheduling should revert back to the pre-1999 way of doing things, which, as I understand it, would be consistent with transit operations in other major cities.
Liz - Let The Drivers Feel the $$ Effects of This
said
Now what, city council? Lemme guess - give in
said
Valley Lad
said
It's clear the ATU still has their brain imbedded their colon. Never have I seen such a delusional group of elitists. I urge our city council to hold the line until the ATU grasps reality. Yes I'm aware of how long that may take.
ATU: Your arrogance, greed, warped sense of entitlement, and general inability to understand the real working world will be your demise. Mark my words.
Tiffany (Carleton U student)
said
SATURDAY FROM 12PM-6PM
INSTEAD OF POSTING ARE THOUGHTS LETS SHOW IT AND WALK!!
COME CITIZENS OF OTTAWA LETS FIGHT BACK AND STAND UP AND SHOW THAT WERE NOT GOING TO WAIT!!!!!!!
Glenn the car pooler now
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Q from STudent from Carleton U!!!
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WHY: LETS MARCH CITIZENS
MAKE YOUR POSTER AND DEMAND FOR A SOLUTION FAST!! LETS NOT WAIT ANY LONGER
WHERE: ON ALL TRANSITWAYS AND BUS ROUTES!!!
Sutha Subra
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We should take a look at how scheduling works in other cities in Canada. If other cities are allowing unions to schedule shifts, then it's not the time for City of Ottawa to fight for the change (middle of winter). This is something needs to be dealt at the national level.
If no other cities are allowing unions to schedule shifts, then union should accept the offer and get back to work right away.
Kumar
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a bunch of jokers (Federal government, City officials and bus drivers) are holding this city of over 1 million hostage .....
Affected Student
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What little respect I had for the drivers is now completely gone. I even had thoughts of punching these assholes in the face when they get back to work.
I support O'Brien for holding firm and I hope he will continue to do so. The only thing I'm angry about is that they are taking their time. They should meet sooner to find solutions.
What I hope would be for a scenario that would remind us of Ronald Regan but honestly, I don't see it happening in Canada.
Tax Payer.
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Oh that's right, I live in Realityville, my bad.
connie
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Woodman
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It is really too bad that you view the situation as such. Yes, I too have read the offer. Yes, it is rough. Much like our economic times. Yet things are going to be rough when you attempt to compare an apple with an orange. I have but one question to ask you (and those of your ilk), where in God's name is it law that any previously negotiated "right" is hands off in the next negotiation? With that mentality "bargaining in good faith" must mean - give us what we already have, then give us more. Those "rights" or "terms" are NOT inherittable. Never has, never will. So your "rightful" point of view is already tainted. So much for your powers of conviction. 75% is down from 98% S.O.D. - so the job of convincing the rank and file has ebbed. Ludicrous? Oh, I suppose 7+ percent increase is ludicrous. The signing bonus? Ludicrous. And oh ya the uncertified sick days, ludicrous.
S.O.D., in the event that reality has escaped your paradise, let me remind you that in the 25+ years of working in the private sector (unionized and not) I have NEVER heard of a signing bonus, let alone uncertified sick leave. "Quality of life"? And you speak of ludicrous. The rank and file have no consideration for MY quality of life, why in heaven's name would I be concerned about theirs? It is not funny that the mayor has not ordered in SCABS (you comment on opinions and frustrations as an excuse to not know the facts, well here goes....). There would be complete and utter chaos, if SCABS were brought in.
ITB -
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Try throwing my a** of the bus and you'll be using Para Transpo for the rest of your days.
Who do you think you are?
Germaine de Peralta
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I think people in Ottawa should get together and rally Parliament to order the bus drivers back to work asap. Or better yet FIRE THEM and hire new bus drivers....many people need jobs you know.
These bus drivers want to pick their own schedules? Only CEOs get to do that.
OK..if anyone wants to form a group of citizens to picket and rally the government to be more forceful and proactive about ordering the bus drivers back to work...contact me. I would like to start a group that will rally, protest, and make known that the strike is totally unfair.
We need to get out there and fight for our rights to transportation.
My name is Germaine and contact me at germaine_de_peralta@yahoo.com or call me at (613) 421-0156. Let's let the government know the entire public is aqainst this strike and pressure the government to act quickly!
Rose
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A. Elisabeth - Ottawa
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I'm biking this Spring. You're not getting any more of my money via (ridiculously expensive) passes.
jeff
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bus drivers are not required to have post-secondary education, yet they feel that they're in a position to demand more than $25.00/hour!!!!!! They don't even have to stand up at work (except to jump off the bus and get a coffee).
BUS DRIVERS: YOU ARE NOT WORTH THE SALARY THAT YOU MAKE NOW, YOU DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING EXCEPT TERMINATION PAPERS. WANT CONTROL OVER YOUR SCHEDULE? WANT MORE MONEY? START YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND WORK FOR YOURSELF, YOU UNEDUCATED, SPOILED DEGENERATES!!
Carpool Driver
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I wouldn't say that the 300 that didn't show up to vote were lazy.. probably use public transit themself and would have voted yes.
David ; Kanata.
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Lets see here...
1 - Fire them all.
2 - No more headaches. No more stress. No more job loss due to no buses.
3 - Fill the jobs with people that have lost their jobs because of the strike.
4 - Lower wages.
5 - Lower bus fare.
6 - Lower taxes ; maybe
the service will actually break even?
7 - Traffic in capitial returns to normal ; and we all benefit.
8 - Everyone that takes the bus and is suffering gets not only the service back ; but saves money too.
Wow - that is a win win win win win win win win...
I hope council is listening. The people - all the people - have had enough. Time for change. Time for council to show they are for the people ; elected by the people.
Dave
Todd - Ottawa
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had_enough_in_kanata
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water balloons.
:)
Tony in Ottawa
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1) Is the Transit Union attempting to negotiate in good faith? If not, can they be locked out (the employer's option) or dismissed/replaced?
2) Can it be determined the decision to and maintain the strike is causing the people of Ottawa harm?
3) Can it be argued that the strike has resulted in a breach of contract with the people of Ottawa (seasonal/annual passholders particularly)?
Questions 2 and 3 cause me to wonder if the people of Ottawa could pursue Class Action against the ATU. 2000+/- servants should not have the power to effect the livelihood (work and school) of over 100,000.
Possibly demanding of City Hall the resignation of the Mayor and his crew as they cultivated a strike situation and took no real steps to proactively address question 2 above; they failed us.
Privatization, in theory, is a good idea but is the theory worth the cost?
Initially I supported the ATU in so much as their entitlement to sick days; they deserve more. But pay increases during a recession? Control over inefficient work scheduling... as the employee? No.
ATU: Respect is a Two Way street. You have disrespected your employer who is also your client by "inconveniencing" us. I have nothing but hatred for you, the ATU, as you now deserve nothing from us. Nothing.
Read the fine print!
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Fed up with both sides
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OC Transpo hater..
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It is time to come back to work before the city fires you all...
Dear OC Transpo
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Sure you were rarely on time, cheap, friendly or clean. I'm sure I caught a few mystery colds and flus over the years from sitting in your dankness. I've even put up with your regular fare increases for a service that in my estimation has never improved. I just can't rely on you to make the right decisions anymore. I'm sure you have your reasons for going the direction you are but I've done my time. The bell has rung.
So it is with a small sense of sadness that I have to break up with you. This is my stop. I'm waving my hand in front of that beam of light by the back doors. I've paid my debt to you O red and white rocket and will never grace your steps again. It's been a long and confusing ride and I hope you are happy with the grave you are digging for yourself since I am pretty sure I am not the only one who will be hanging up their bus pass. I know you don't care too much right now, but I think in time you'll grow to miss me.
AE - Gloucester
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Shame on both the city and the drivers for being inadequate and selfish, respectively.
Greedy Unions are bring down Canada
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What do these idiots want at a time where everyone else is losing their jobs.
UofO student
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Amy
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The wonderful world of carpooling
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You also mention that you're holding out for reasons no one has taken a serious look at - perhaps you could enlighten us with what these reasons are???
Mark, Ottawa
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Rolf OTTAWA
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We should get a driverless light rail system like some european cities have.
Stupid Logic
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Tina
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Angry taxe payer
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Student
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K B
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During my long 3 hour drive to work the 1st day of the strike, I thought this strike might do some good to the people of Ottawa. I saw people helping each other shoveling cars out of the snow; I heard dozens of stories about people talking to their neighbors for the 1st time ever; I heard of people carpooling with colleagues and friends, actually interacting in the cars rather than listening to their ipods on the bus; I talked to people who were walking 40-60 minutes to work and were starting to lose weight, etc. I actually thought the strike wasn't so bad after all...
Yet, today I am rather sad to read the comments posted on this page and see miserable people who insult bus drivers, city officials, and even each other. A few days ago, I heard about some guy honking furiously at someone else, getting out of his car at the red light to walk up to the other driver's window, insulting, shouting, and finally opening the door to slam it right in the other driver's face! Seriously...!!
People... please... be patient and control your emotions...Those of you who are blaming OC drivers from preventing you to get to job interviews or worse blaming them because you're losing your jobs... well... who is really to blame???
There are tons of people ready to help you out there: neighbors, colleagues, employers who are willing to be flexible during the strike... Have YOU looked at all possibilities?
If you're really having a hard time finding a job, well then you might want to look more thoroughly for one rather than wasting your energy and time writing on forums.
This is our chance to change our individualistic city into a place where people help and look out for each other...
Government spending your money wisely! right!
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I never understand why it takes so long to take proper action when you know it will never get solded otherwise! I guess that's why we have so many employees in the federal government at least they're doing something about unemployement that way.
Of course this is not efficiency just more taxes being taken off our pay cheque! If buniness would opperate this way we would be in big trouble!
Mal
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LB - Orleans
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KMcIntyre
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Neither side is right. Remember - the media makes the story - read the union website and O'Brien's site and get informed.
I know some of the picketers, and they aren't happy being out there, knowing full well the brunt of the criticism will come when the city has their bus service again.
Boo to both the Union and O'Brien. I have no choice but to take the bus. I refuse to pay for Parking as it hurts my budget. So when it is restored, I will again buy a monthly pass.
The sad part about it? I will more than ticked off for even the slightest thing the bus driver(s) might say to anyone. I don't care - but you want respect, you have to earn it.
I'm without a contract for 2 years and if I walked off the job to picket - I'd be fired.
What a waste of time. And the only things that will happen will be that the service is restored and both the Mayor and the Union leader will look like heros. Nothing else. That's wehre it will end. Sadly - I am a slave to the system
Chris
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I have to say, that I although I feel sorry for the Junior Drivers that are entangled in this mess, there is nothing that you can say at this point that will get me on your side. There are many single parent households out there who have now lost their only means of income because they cannot get to work due to the OC strike. You talk about your wife losing her job but at least you are bringing in some kind of income, albeit not your full paycheque (which is totally your own fault). This is the choice that you and your fellow union brothers and sisters have made. Other families however have not had a choice. That choice was taken away from them by you and your union. You seriously can't expect the 800,000 plus residents of this city to say "yeah, I feel sorry for you". There are people who have lost their jobs and are now or soon will be homeless, who are visiting food banks (if they can even get to one) and who will soon be visiting the welfare office (again, if they can even get to one). You talk about not wanting to sacrifice your family in order to work.
Well, welcome to the real world. Again single parents of children make the same sacrifices for their children every day just so that they have a roof over thier heads and food in their mouths. At least your children have their mother at home with them. Some chidlren aren't so lucky. So please stop thinking that your quality of life should be better than anyone else's. Be thankful you have a job.
Steve in PEI
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I don't think there's a single member of the public who isn't either part of another union or else a far leftist (in othter words, a small minority) who has any sympathy at all. I have plenty of sympathy for those workers who don't want to be on strike and are dragged along, though. I'm a Liberal and even I have zero sympathy - the union needs to wake up here and realise how isolated they are.
aj
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Fire them all and start over!
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No wonder our economy is in such a mess! greedy Union workers and less than average serve to thier customers!
CFSpouse
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Sue
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Unemployed
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Fed up
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We want respect, we want quality of life, we want more freedom....Well you've managed to take that away from your ridership for four weeks...And you can't understand why we are angry? You have managed to place a lot of innocent people in financial, personal, emotional, and physical jeopardy. If I were you, I wouldn't expect too much sympathy from the ordinary citizen (or your bank) if this strike fails.
Roger in Ottawa
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Aline from Ottawa
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Rachel
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If you don't like it, then i'd like to see YOU ALL and your children working 13.5 hour days in pre-1920 steel factories. THAT is what life was like without unions, so shove it. Full support to ATU and their members. SOLIDARITY!!!
Steve
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For those people with absolutely no clue on what is legal and spout off without fact, please buy a car so I don't have to ride with you any longer. Please, verbally abuse a driver, you will be charged with a Federal offense.
Does anyone here write to your respective offical or am I the only one? The longer this goes on the less respect I have for the citizens of Ottawa.
I suspect most of these comments are not even from people like myself that have no other form of transportation or can afford a taxi twice a day.
Most of you look far worse than any bus driver I have ever met! Grow up children!
Brian
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If you've been able to live for 2 years without touching any of your income, you are NOT a typical case.
I don't think your opinion matters whatsoever, since you obviously don't need to work - if you don't like the contract, just quit.
Most of the drivers are striking because they feel their quality of life would be impacted by the new contract, and they have no option since they need to keep on working.
You sir, if you voted no, are voting to hold the city ransom for ABSOLUTELY no reason.
cathy in ottawa
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My husband and I have come to a decision: we will cut back in other areas and buy a used car for me to get around.
I feel bad for people who do not have this option, but I have the feeling that many others will be finding alternate methods to get around the city, and will join me in saying "sayonara OC transpo"! I hope they find replacement workers, or when you get back to work you have lost so many riders that you will suffer severe job cuts and either way you will be stuck sitting at home thinking back about how great you had it and how you threw it all away.
Dave in Ottawa
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Ottawa Taxpayer
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DO NOT GIVE IN.
No one else gets to create their own schedule. Why should they. And at our expense. (overtime) As a taxpayer, that is not how I want my tax $$$'s spent.