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Date: Tue. Jan. 6 2009 6:06 PM ET

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Ottawa and Canada's banks will create a working group to loosen tight consumer credit, which has been the "number one concern" voiced during pre-budget consultations.

"We all have responsibilities to ensure that the financial system functions properly in support of the Canadian economy," Flaherty said Tuesday after a pre-budget meeting with the Canadian Taxpayers Federation in Montreal.

The comments come a day after Flaherty met with Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney and the country's top bankers and regulators amid growing concern over freezing credit markets.

Flaherty also discussed a proposed stimulus package for the Canadian economy, which would invest heavily in infrastructure but will likely throw the country into deficit for the first time in more than a decade.

"What I've been hearing across Canada and also from my council of economic advisers has been that we need to invest more in infrastructure," Flaherty said before the meeting, adding that tax cuts are also a possibility.

"That is one way of course of supporting the economy, of stimulating the economy, but also we need to look at tax reductions, additional tax reductions, as another way of supporting the economy."

Flaherty said his main goal is to keep the economy in good shape.

"We need to take some steps in the short term to provide stimulus in the economy but we also have to, during this time of economic turbulence, take steps to build capacity in the economy so we come out of the slowness in a position of strength," he said.

On Monday, Flaherty met privately with senior bankers and Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney yesterday but only commented on the discussions at Tuesday press conference.

"I encouraged the heads of the banks, the CEOs to work with the government... to ensure the systemic strength of our banking system in Canada," he said.

Still, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF), Flaherty should do all he can to cut taxes and table a balanced budget later this month.

"Unfortunately, the one thing the finance minister was very clear on today is that he fully expects to run an important deficit this year," CTF spokesman Kevin Gaudet told CTV Newsnet Tuesday.

"It looks like taxpayers will be on the hook for the first deficit in some 15 years."

Key to the deficit spending is $4 billion in loans to the moribund domestic auto industry, which has already received $782 million of public funds over the past five years, said Gaudet.

"The government has a long history of throwing money at industries that are failing," he said.

However, Gaudet added that funding the automakers could be a waste of taxpayer's money, because two of the companies could end up bankrupt regardless of any federal loans.

"If you listen to what (President) George Bush said in his statement, he's planning for a structured bankruptcy of two or three of the Big Three. That means the Canadian tax money that's provided to these companies could very easily be flushed away."

While Gaudet said that "an alphabet soup of interest groups" has been pressuring the government for subsidies, he noted that Flaherty has recently signaled that tax relief for Canadian households may also be included in the budget.

Gaudet said the Tory budget will have to appease both Conservatives and the left-leaning opposition parties, meaning a mixed-bag of measures.

"So I think you're going to see the finance minister do a delicate dance between spending and tax relief."

Flaherty has already held pre-budget consultations in Saskatchewan and Atlantic Canada. He will be in Toronto on Friday and in Vancouver next Monday.

Meanwhile, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (CCPA) released its Alternative Federal Budget (AFB) fiscal stimulus plan.

According to the report, the one-year package would create 407,000 jobs and boost the economy by 3 per cent.

The plan calls for an injection of $32.9 billion, or 2.1 per cent of GDP, into Canada's economy to protect Canadians who experience loss of income, as well as strengthen and build hard and soft infrastructure to address the challenges of climate change, income inequality, and aging populations.

"We've laid out a bold and achievable set of initiatives that can protect Canada from the economic storm while building for future generations," CCPA Senior Economist Armine Yalnizyan said in a press release. "Our plan creates jobs and gives the economy a jolt of life just when it needs it -- now."


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Number one concern is create jobs! Not Credit!
said

Right good thinking! Getting into a recession let's get into more debts!

You wonder where this guy come from Mars? number one concern create jobs!


Roger T
said

The worst plan and stupid thing I've hear as a consumer. While the recession and economic state has detoriated so fast because CONSUMER DEBTS and job lost, why in the world would any consumers rush out and borrow more money and get into deeper debts.

Borrowing more money while you're in debt and spending what you don't have isn't going to solve the issue. it's controlling bad habits and will power on material things.

I suppose we will see more and more people on the "Til Dept Do Us Part" TV show. Gail Vaz-Oxlade to the rescue! Money, money, money, money!


JP in Ontario
said

These are very difficult times for any government to attempt to put together a budget that will make people happy. Economic difficulties at home, and abroad, on international and household levels.
I hope that with proper consultation, with banks, opposition parties, etc, that the conservative party can put together a budget that will be less inflamatory than the one previously discussed. Maybe if they get this at least mostly right, there wont be anymore talks of coalitions, and we can get a government that will start to work FOR us again. I have personally written Mr Flaherty, my MP, and expressed my concerns. I urge all Canadians to write their MP's to express their concerns regarding the upcoming budget, in the hopes of getting them to apply pressure, or make suggestions to the budget.


Janet - Small Business owner
said

I am glad I am not in his shoes. How can he balance the budget when it is impossible to determine how much tax will be collected by the Federal Government.If businesses aren't sucessful then they don't collect Gst and Pst , and if they are not profitable then they do not pay corporate tax , and if they are not busy then they cut back on employees who in turn do not contribute any tax dollars to the Government. I don't know how any political party could balance the budget in these economic times and if they did it would certainly be at the expense of some very important programs eg. health care and education.


Steve the Pundit
said

Lack of credit and consumer confidence go hand-in-hand in the slowing of economic growth. Like it or not, more than 60% of economic activity it consumer-generated, and a significant portion of this in recent years has been fuelled by ready availability of credit. Both issues must be addressed in the budget.

One can only hope that any so-called "stimulus package" the government offers up in the next budget contains measures to bolster consumer confidence, and not create additional bloated government programs or pet projects:
- Targeted tax relief will give people more money to spend; further temporary reductions in the GST will help here
- Measures should be applied to ensure financial markets pass through 100% of bank rate reductions (so government monetary policy is not impeded.
- Infrastructure spending projects should be used with caution; most of these have too long of a time horizon to stimulate the economy in the short term
- Businesses should get additional tax breaks for investments that promote innovation or improved productivity. Canada's productivity continues to lag behind its trading partners, and improved productivity will help manufacturers compete when oil prices shoot back up (and take our dollar up with it)
- Any thoughts of making EI easier to get should be shelved immediately; we don't want to make it easier for people to NOT work.

This is the type of budget Canada needs. The NDP and Bloc won't think so; hopefully Ignatieff will have the sense to make the right decision.


Alanna, Saskatchewan
said

Mr Flaherty has the right idea. Iremember reading somewhere that a lot of companies use credit for payroll. Also there will be some companies out there who in order to keep their business's going will need credit to survive. The construction companies wont't stay in business if no one is buying homes or starting new business's so yes easy access to credit is a good thing.Ever heard the saying "you have to spend money to make money"


Reasonable
said

We need to pay less taxes and for all levels of government to work together at infrastructure investments. Fix highways, sewage and water pipes, more public transit for intercity travel, not just within the cities themselves.

Another good thing would be if they would loosen up so many of the restrictions on Employment Insurance. There are people out there losing their jobs left right and center and are getting hit a double whammy by EI.


Dan from Northern Ont.
said

Government spending and borrowing (deficits), if done right, cause a multiplier effect meant to get the economy back on track. It's not always a bad thing. This country was built upon debt (the railway).


Joe Kool
said

Nothing in our modern world runs without credit.
We have long established this is the way our economy will work.
Ever try to buy a new car from your savings account? Try a new house. Credit not cash is king in our World economy, and these credit fundimentals are deeply entrenched in the way we do business. Our economic situation can not change unless the world is willing to sign on to a radical reform and restructure of our monitary system.


Bozz
said

Number one concern is create jobs! Not Credit!
In order for jobs to be created, money needs to be spent. Making credit available, reducing taxes and investing in infrastructure will create jobs.


Nathan
said

In order to create jobs one needs cash, in order to get cash one needs credit. Therefor to create jobs one needs credit thereby putting it all back onto the fact that credit and financing is required.

There are plenty of jobs to be had - Some sacrifices must be made in order to get said jobs (I.e. moving one's family, taking a pay cut for a while).




Kevin; Manitoba realist
said

I believe the whole idea of providing credit to non worthy borrowers is what got us into this mess in the first place. An overall "correction" needs to take place - at some point in time there will need to be blood on the floor before things get better


eskiefan
said

Yes to the lower tax and infrastructure part. I'm not a big fan of credit, except what you can pay off each month or something like a house (within affordable limits). Debt is the problem and I don't see how it can be the solution. But infrastructure jobs gets a big YES from me! I'd rather see bailout money go toward paying people to rebuild the infrastructure than to individual companies or industries. And tax cuts will help people fan the economy by spending more--OF WHAT THEY HAVE.


Cathy
said

No doubt he is in a tough position.
I do agree with a tax cut. Means more money in my pocket.

The way I see it the less of tax dollars they have the more they have to work on finding priorities to spend spend the tax money they do have...maybe elimating the extras MPs enjoy or the bailout of high $ CEOs.

We can all remember incidents where our tax money was misused. Placing a little more of MY money in MY hands will help ME out.



S.M.W.
said

Of all the talk about options to take why has there been no mention of student loan debt relief?

Why doesn't the Federal government move to make National Student loans tax free? Or better yet, forgive all outstanding loans and going forward operate on a loan / grant mix (based on course enrolment levels and successful completion rate)?

This will lower debt levels for many Canadians while also putting more money in their pockets. Which in turn can be spent on other purchases thus stimulating economic spending?


TG
said

I believe that the tax cut that might gain back trust from some of the opposition would be a cut to personal income taxes. Forget farting around with the GST business; lets actually encourage people to save money to cover debt, and bills. The Tories have not been able to take that hint for a long time already.


Jenna
said

No use creating jobs, since people aren't buying things, the jobs won't last long.


DUH!
said

Debt, incurred by business to create an economy includes hiring people. Wake up people. Stop criticizing everything you read, take a moment to understand what is being printed and think outside of your own little compartment.
Business needs credit to operate. They also fuel the economy with paychecks, tax deductions etc. It's not black and white like you wish it was. There is no super glue to put this thing back together instantly. Time to smell the coffee and get with the program. Enough silly rhetoric. We need a plan and Mr. Flaherty is offering one. Have you got a better solution or just silly comments?


Dale - Edmonton
said

Money for energy retrofits sounds great to me, I and others need a new furnace, water heater, windows...provide decent grants and I'll be spending money this year...and helping the environment too...


Ian- AB
said

hey thanks Jim I'll be sure to use the extra funds to pay down debt. You want real freedom people try freedom from debt. You'll never go back in debt again.


Prof.Mahesh sharma
said

It is very important that seniors who have to withdraw from RRIF this year be given exemption for at least two years so that they can recover some losses due to fall in stock market. Mr Flaherty has given no indiaction for some substantial help for seniors in this regards.


Job # 1 no contest!
said

Mr. Bozz,

Number 1 priority is to create the jobs. It can be created with or without credit! We are paying way too much taxes already to increase huge deficits that we the workers will be stuck to pay for in the futur!

I don't trust governments spending my money even less borrowing some and letting me pay for it afterworth!

The Big 3 for example are in big trouble because they are producing poor quality cars and cars that are not fuel efficient. Why would we give them more money to produce more of these cars noone want anymore.

Japanese cars took the market because the Big 3 did not listen to what the consumers wanted. On top of this the management of the Big 3 payout huge bonus for running the company near bancrupcy. Would you trust the guys with your personnal money, no way!




Paul - Orillia
said

We already know Canada is going into a deficit. Reduce revenue to the Feds continues.

For example giving each person a $1000.00 tax CREDIT does NOT mean you will get $1000 to send. Figure out the tax component... let's say 30%.... you might get $300.00

Boy that's a lot of money to bribe the average Canadian to voting for the Cons and how much will that really stimulate the economy - not a whole heck of a lot.

It doesn't make sense what they are doing. The only sense it makes is that they are continuing to be Political in their decisions for complete power and truly not in Canada's interests. Scary!


KW
said

I support tax reductions because we pay far too much tax on everything. To help out consumers, I would like to see companies reduce all of the extra fees they started charging - e.g., system access fee on cell phones, ATM fees at bank machines, processing fee on the gas bill. Since the turn of the century especially, every company that can do so has been gouging the public with these extra fees, which certainly cuts into our available cash to spend.

Infrastructure projects are a good plan because many of our roads and bridges need repair.

Did anyone else notice that Flaherty's plans sound remarkably like those proposed by Obama? Interesting that they were also announced the same day. Are we now going to wait for the US to set the pace, or can we think for ourselves?


Peter Medicine Hat
said

Jim Flaherty, are you nuts, this is political suicide. Do realize if you give a tax break to all the people of Canada the NDP, Liberal & the Bloc or maybe the Separatist Coalition will vote you down. Remember Jim the only people in Canada that should be getting a tax break or any kind of break at all is the Auto Workers and all of Quebec.
What will the conservatives think of next to ruin this country. Ha Ha !!!



Dave in Ontario
said

Lower Income Taxes would help . People over 65 years old ( on a pension ) should pay very little tax. They worked all there lives to support Health care . So leave their money alone now .



Doug BC
said

OMG.Lower taxes.He must be some kind of a "neo-con" nut case.
In practical terms,we must ALL reign in our abuse of credit.Both nations and individuals have created this mess by running up massive debt during good times.On that front,I agree with the Conservative plan to pay down debt,and encourage savings by individuals.Both would be a huge benefit to our country.
The hypocracy of the political left on economics is astounding when it comes to these issues.They claim to speak for "average" Canadians by advocating for more taxes,and more "free" social programs.THey also claim to be the defenders of sovereignty for Canada.Those two positions are at odds with each other.
No person,or nation can be free,or sovereign if they are constantly indebted to others,or if the bulk of their earnings are used to service debt.
It is not economics.It is just common sense.
Debt to buy a home,or a car is one thing.But to carry huge debt on credit cards to go on jet set vacations,or buy more junk from China is absurd.It hurts us all.
And,deficits are likely to be needed to get the economy out of this recession.Fair enough.But those debts MUST be short term,and those funds used to build things that will make our economy more efficient when the recession finally comes to an end.And,they MUST be repaid ASAP.They MUST NOT be used for more long term "free" entitlement programs.
If you can't pay for it,don't buy it until you can.You can buy something else with the 18% interest charges you will save.


Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
said

In order to create jobs there has to be the entrepreneurial fundamentals in place.There needs to be the incentive for someone to want to go into business and the credit available to purchase the necessary equipment,material and finance to hire people.Businesses are always working with their banks to expand and finance operations if this money supply tightens up then many businesses are left vulnerable to bankrupcy.It may not necessarily mean that they will go bankrupt anyway but they may need additional capital to finance them through a difficult period.If the banks tighten their lending policy then it could leave companies that would otherwise be solvent in a position of potential insolvency.There needs to be reasonable financing available and an affordable tax structure that doesn't penalize the entrepreneurial spirit.Our government needs to be leaner and be in a better position to ensure we provide the best environment for business to grow.Tax and spend and try to be all to everyone is not practical in a global economy as many people have already seen the job losses to overseas companies, many of them transplanted from our backyard because they were unable to turn an acceptable return to investors.The only thing that concerns me is that the provincial government doesnt tax any more as this would make redundant any tax gain made available by the federal government.


KJ Kingston Ontario
said

The lesson of this recession is to balance spending with income. Credit is the problem it is not the solution. And increasing government spending and borrowing will only make things worse over the long run.


Kevin
said

spend the 33 Billion to pay those who have lost their jobs $600.00/WK while in training for new jobs as construction workers and to build infrastructure to provide jobs for these people. After a year or two, teh economy will turn around as the infrastructure work is completed. A win win situation. DO NOT GIVE MONEY TO THE BANKS!!!!


tk
said

Its not the workers but the corporaions that are in the recession. The top CEO,s are taking all the money. The workers don,t get the big bucks.


Shirlee
said

SMW - has a good idea!

The young people who have to pay for education are in enough debt to shut them down from buying houses and so forth. A major break for this group alone would go a long way.

I too would hate to be the Finance/Budget Man, how do you spur this country back into action without favouring too few groups?


Mel from Calgary
said

Giving tax breaks to retrofit houses with new furnaces etc.. will not do much good unless these products are made in Canada, if not it won't do much good as people with low paying retail jobs can't afford houses, cars etc...

As we descend into deficit we can't follow the americans by borrowing money to fund an overseas war. This is a luxury we can't afford.

We need a hard look of how this "global" economy works.

What is made here and what should be made here. The fact that goods can come cheaply from asia indicates there is something skewed in how things work. Are the transportation costs reflected in the price? (New Zealand lamb is cheaper than Alberta lamb in Calgary)

Should the World Trade Organisation consider lax environmental and labour laws an "unfair subsidy"?




brian in sarnia
said

Gee. I wonder what the conservatives will do. Oh, right... cut taxes. Good One... creative and original thinking from the Cons. Can they actually pay attention to the world we live in?


Guy
said

Want to make me live better cut back on all these user fees everytime we get a tax break


Linda in Vancouver
said

"Dan From Northern Ont." does make a good point.It was debt that financed the building of the railroad that developed Canada.And that kind of debt can be very useful,because it was used to build something that opened up the country to developement,and provided a return.I beleive that is exactly the kind of infrastructure spending that our current governments favour.
What we must avoid,is the kind of debt that provides no return of that investment in the future,and offers no long term benefit.Also to be avoided,are the "free" social programs that make us more of a nanny state,and will have to be financed and paid for by our children and grandchildren.
But "Dan" is right.If done properly.If we expand out ports,or build higways and pipelines,we will be able to recover that money when we start exporting our products in the future.
If we just start mailing out cheques to people,they will expect,and depend on those cheques forever.I see that as poor policy.
Instead of giving out fish to the hungry,we must teach them to fish.The very best policy to fight poverty is to provide jobs.Not to confiscate the earnings of those who work in order to pay those who don't.Only the elderly and the disable have an excuse for not working for their incomes.
NO MORE SOCIALISM !! That is exactly why I quit voting for federal Liberals.


Cathy
said


The problem is not creating jobs ...it is keeping the companies in Canada and not moving to Mexico or China where the labour and everything is cheaper. I have been part of four companies that decided to move elsewhere.

When was the last time you saw or owned merchandise 100% Made in Canada....for me it was back in the Bargain Harold's time...still have the sweatshirt.

I know of many people who ended up getting old age pension without working a day in this country and are on disablity but not have a clean bill of health. Other able bodied people have decided welfare was easier than working.

It is taking care of these kinds of issues that will start balancing our economy and give Canadians confidence.


Brian Wayne, Southern Ontario
said

Mr. Flaherty,

If you want to help me, buy my student debt, which interferes with my ability to feed my children. Since the work I was trained for has dried up and I can't afford the education I was encouraged to get, (which I've already being paying on for 8 years.. with at least 15 to go) promised me a stable career. Diapers, food and school supplies are expensive Mr. Flaherty... or should I use this extra credit to get an Elementary Student loan for my kids?


Marcel
said

All the Conservative government can do is reduce taxes and watch the deficit rise. Eventually something has to give and the Canadian population will see a big reduction in their government services.


mikado
said

Tax cuts are the quickest and most effective way to stimulate the economy during a recession. So-called stimulative deficit spending doesn't work, mainly because it takes at least a year or two for the "stimulative" expenditures to be made. It takes years to obtain the numerous regulatory approvals required to build infrastructure (roads, bridges).


Matt - Kingston
said

A lot of people are commenting that creating jobs should be #1 on the list. But I think what they don't understand is that without credit companies will go under and if companies go under there are less jobs. On top of that without credit a lot of would be entrepreneurs would have a harder time starting up their businesses (creating jobs) if they are having problems obtaining credit. Its a vicious circle but you have to find the beginning in order to curb the problem.


cory lanterman
said

Banks have been given money in forms of bailouts...billions already. Low interest rates yet banks have high interest on credit cards. Passing laws to make bank and purchase charges affordable to consumers and business is essential to free up cashflow. Charging for instruments of payment is ridiculous with the changes due to internet and technology. To protect ones purchases these are essential instruments of payment and need to be governed and regulated properly. 28% interest and charging a business man 3.5% of the purchase transaction is hurting small business that creates 90% of employment. New laws for banks and money transactions is needed. Yes infrastructure is good for jobs but without changes to investment and busness laws the same problems will exist to cause problems another time.


Carolina from the Ridge
said

Coming out of the 1980 recession, the govenrment of Ontario gave a $3000.00 grant & a $5000.00 loan to first time home buyers, an equivalent of 8% of our home's purchase price. My husband and I were able to buy a first home and kickstart the economy with all of the purchases and taxes that entails. It worked out well, we never paid rent again. Once we had kids, we kept on working and spending as most family's do. Our home and RSVP's are the only retirement security we have, and we don't regret a penny of it. Property ownership is secure and safe most in most economic times.


mcm
said

investing in infrastructure would create jobs. someone has to build the invested properties.


Jim in Ottawa
said

Significant reductions in taxes will help.

What will also help balance the books would be significant reduction in head-count in the federal government payrolls. The federal government has grown too rapidly in the past decade and is long overdue for significant, cost-saving layoffs.


Lee in Calgary
said

It's really sad to realize that the average Canadian has no idea how a business, small or large is actually run and financed but the vast majority of these comments prove that they don't.

Credit is used to buy raw materials so you can build something, credit is used to pay the transportation bills the utility bills and the wages of the workers until you can sell the product to someone. That all takes time but also begins with a large amount of money in advance.

If you're not building something but selling something, you must pay for the items pay for your shop pay for your utilites and pay for your staff. At some point you sell the item and the money goes towards paying down your line of credit.

If we expected business' to operate without a line of credit the shelves would be pretty bare and the staff pretty few.

Households often operate like a business in the sense that your car may need gas between pay cheques so you fill it up and then pay it off when you get paid. Once in a while a big ticket item hits you like a vacation and it takes 2 months to pay it off. Where both business and families go wrong is after the vacation you take the money ment to pay it down and by a new DVD player.

To often lately we've believed that the good times would never end so we continued to put off paying down the line of credit and continued to enjoy our lifestyles both personnally and in business so now we need to readjust our thinking and our business plans.

But remember without credit you have no ability to do business or run your household so that is job one for the government.


Marcel what government services?
said

The government are providing services that are very low quality at a very high price!

Reduce taxes or pay the debt and stop providing these services that aren't worth the money!

Whenever you need a service from a government employee you find out that these employees don't appreciate their high paying job with porr service offered are not worth the money! Jave you been to the post office latetly? Shameful personnel!

Reduce government spending and stimulate the private sector, this will generate the jobs and benefits we need!


Dayton
said

Are Canadian's so naive to think the proposed coalition had a plan implemented to reduce the deficit? The intention as I see it was to redirect proposed stimulus for partisan reasons. Now we will probably spend more than was necessary and drive our country deeper in debt. Thanks COALITION!!!


Jim
said

Reduce taxes and increase spending===huge deficit! The next generation will pay for this folly for years! It is not fair to them. I think Tax reductions have to be taken off of the table.


Peter Rapsey
said

Mr. Flaherty better do his math before tax breaking the system to death. Too many tax breaks and our health, our education, our pensions and many services for the unfortunate will have to go. Tax breaks are for idiots. I will take services over tax breaks any day.


0% down no payments until 2040!!
said

Really? Did this work in Japan or the USA? Nope - total fail.

How about coming up with creative solutions rather than copying failed policies of other nations? I'm not in the buying mood, Mr Flarehty.


Kelven
said

If the gov't going to get into deficit then it should concenstrate on creating jobs not by the way of bailing out failed CEOs but by upgrading our infrastructors. It is also a good chance to make those green and sustainable.


Tightening, tightening my budget
said

Would love to refit my furnace, hot water tank and many other major appliances however I will not be seeing any type of raise (nor did I last year) and I must pay for increases in food, utilities, property taxes, garbage collection, transit costs, car insurance premiums, health care costs just to name a few.

And for those of you who believe I am too far in debt - I carry no debt other than a small mortgage on a modest home and that payment is smaller than rent for a comparable property. Oh, I am also a single mother of a 12 year old so I don't qualify for any handouts such as the Universal child care....wonder how many other single parents are out there who are in the same boat as me?

Would love to see some help from businesses who continue to raise their prices beyond reasonable rates simply because they cannot exercise prudent expense reductions in these economic times. Sorry won't be helping the economy by creating debt to buy any fancy furnaces for a while yet.


Terry Neudorf in Dorchester
said

This is absolutely absurd - where do people think the government gets its money? Government can't create money - they have to tax us! (Or print more money thereby debasing the value of our currency by an equal amount).

It is governments who created these problems by intervention in the free market, along with people's debt-mentality that finally caught up with them. More intervention (read: Bailouts, handouts, infrastructure projects) is NOT going to fix the problem.

Governments need to allow the market to correct itself through a recession, allow insolvent businesses to go belly-up, and allow mal-investments to be purged from the economy. This notion of taking money from those of us who actually have money and give it to companies that should never survive in the first place, and to those who have lived high on the hog by borrowing ridiculous amounts of money to buy huge homes, and more bling than you can shake a stick at, has GOT to stop. Then the government needs to massively cut fat programs and stop spending on military interventionism abroad. This is a "conservative" government?? Hardly.


Larry I Ontario
said

Get going now!!

Jan. 27 is too long. DO IT NOW! This conservative government is getting to many people involved and should ask swift and NOW!

Don't wait until the bottom falls out!! Time to get a new minister who understands what the people need. Mr. Harper please fire him now and get someone who know what they doing!


Clinton from Calgary
said

Suspend the GST entirely. No 1% reduction, just suspend it indefinitely.

I would say remove it permanently, but that would never fly, so let's just make it a temporary measure.

We all know how long THOSE can last (take personal income tax for example - maybe its time to finally repeat that temporary emergency measure? Let employeers reduce the amount they pay employees by that amount of tax and shift the load back to where it was previously!)


Popo
said

Student debt relief? No way!

I worked my way through university, I wasn't living at home and paid my tuition myself and guess what? I finished with a total debt of $0! Oh, and that was studying engineering in Ontario (so it wasn't cheap or easy on my schedule). yeah, they weren't the easiest years of my life but it didn't ruin my university life either.

I now live in Quebec where I am disgusted year after year that the student population cries afoul for a $50/semester increase in fees... which they can easily afford considering most programs are less than $2000/term.

I mean, so what if you can't afford a house right out of university... suck it up like the rest of the world!


RT - Regina
said

To those who think we don't need access to credit... What Happens to those like me whose mortgages are up for renewal. I have a very good paying stable, full time job but have some strikes on my credit history. My mortgage is up for renewal and if banks are too stingy with credit my house will be foreclosed causing even more problems for the economy. We do need access to credit - maybe not credit cards and store cards but credit for homes and cars.


Rob in Alberta
said

I would not normally write in twice, however, I feel I must comment on an issue that really bothers me.

Dave mentions in his comments the need for the Feds to look at the situation SOME seniors find themselves in. Another writer comments about students and their hardship. While I sympathize, I do not agree that we need as a society to make economic decisions based on specific groups of people.

I contend their are seniors out there who are far better off than I am and poverty is not specific to any one group of people based on age or any other criteria for that matter.

Financial decisions need to be based solely on financial need, not age, skin colour, group affiliation etc.

I sympathize with comments presented by individuals above like Dave who is concerned about 'senior' Canadians. But, anyone no matter what the age who has more money than I do should NOT be treated differently than I am by the tax man.

Bottom line...if you claim you need the help, prove it financially. No other criteria should be taken into account. Period.


Keith in Brampton
said

Easy credit elsewhere is what got us into this mess - so I can undrstand the banks' reluctance toward further loosening of CONSUMER credit - at least as far as the measures they use to establish credit limits to begin with.

However, media reports indicate a tightening of commercial credit - which will potentially harm otherwise stable businesses and cost jobs. And banks haven't been passing on the lower interest rates to consumers - thus artificially INCREASING the existing debt load of consumers to improve their profits.

Maybe Flaherty should consider floating caps (x% above prime) for various types of consumer debt, to keep the banks from gouging consumers and to allow consumers to more quickly get out of debt (or to allow the more prudent access to cheaper credit; they may be more willing to spend if they can pay it back faster with less interest).

The banks won't like it - but it would increase the odds that I'd take on additional debt for home improvements. I'm betting there are others like me out there - and if so, there's one badly needed boost!


George S
said

Sounds like ever-opportunistic-&-partisan Flaherty is seizing the moment to put us even further into DEEP credit-dependency & debt. The conservatives cannot resist an opportunity to weaken the federation.


Poper-Calgary
said

Remember folks, governments have never , do not and never will create jobs. The market place will, given the proper incentives.


Alan
said

It's apparent from the comments that many have experience and have been well involved to understand the importance of credit to industry in particular. This is really the oil in the engine. With fair credit levels a lot can be done to get things moving. The point here is one cannot have jobs if there are not reasonable levels of credit being offered. Therefore it is #1. A tax break would certainly assist to improve demand as a #2. Infrastructure spending especially because it cannot be jumpstarted is #3.
To Linda in Vancouver it would be great to expand our ports but it is unfortunate the Vancouver port workers are looking to go on strike again. When will the public sector strikes stop. This sector gets paid 17% more than the private sector already and job security is far better there.

Keep up the good work Mr. Flaherty. Obviously you are getting the right inputs.


Leslie
said

It would be great is Unions would be more responsible. They need jobs just like politicians and the rest of us. When people loose their jobs Union Executives still continue with great salaries and benefits. They may switch unions but they are still fortunate. The Unions executives negotiate all the time. Should priviate industry or government see the opportunity to hiring a union executive you can be sure the union executive would jump quickly to the other side. Nothing wrong with that - its called surivival. So Unions today and Priviate Industry, Government are really the same people with different uniforms all reaching for the same outcome. Us folks we just pay higher union dues or higher taxes. I think the financial crisis was set deliberately by European secret society who are above the European Union & head of states. These are a group of Elite from all countries. Just like Free Masons who were and still are a private club.


Galactus
said

"Number one concern is create jobs! Not Credit!"


You are unaware that all new money is created by the incurrence of debt?
So you want more money in the economy then get people to borrow. A Dollar is really an I.O.U..



Roger T
said

RT - Regina
To those who think we don't need access to credit... What Happens to those like me whose mortgages are up for renewal.....

I think you and most uneducated consumers are misunderstood. Mortgage is a totally different issue.

There are fixed expenses and there are variable expenses.

Fixed expenses are major ones that cannot be changed and variable ones can be controlled by spending habits. Most people who get themsleves into heavy debts are out of control on their habits. They see it and want it right away. Like buy now pay later (cry later) and they choose not to pay it before the due date, it's no ones problems except theirs.

Its the same as wants and needs. Buy only what you need not what you want and can't afford. Live within your means of income. But than again, some people will never learn.



markass
said

You don't need credit to get further into debt - you need a job to keep you out of debt. Also, if giving back tax dollars means borrowing more (ie. credit)its not going to help either. Keep the 5% and make sure that there's a doctor at the hosipital when I get there!


Glenn
said

Go after the banks and credit card companies for their service charges.
That will help consumers and retail.



Fed Up
said

Work with banks to ensure those that lose their jobs will not have to go through the banckruptsy / forclosure. put a pause for 1 year on default morgages. and lower credit card interest rates, It will allow those who are in debt to repay faster and of course spend more, cuz old habits die hard. And quit outsourcing jobs to third world countries. Make Laws where fabrication and engineering must be 80% Canadian. Keep our people employed. Those foreign investors who wish to buy into canada, Must do so by building with Candaians.


DJM Woolwich Twp.
said

Canadians need immediate financial relief. Prescription- 1. an immediate 10% rebate of personal income tax paid for year 2007( stimulus/bailout cheque ). 2. Personal income tax reduction of 10% for 2008. 3. Total elimination of Personal Capital Gains Taxes. 4. No reduction in corporate taxes- the Bay St. gang have had it too good for too long. Time to help the average Canadian toughing it out on Main St.


Dick Varley
said

Consumer credit is out of control and its use is at the root of current economic problems. Targeted credit to create jobs is a good thing and should be encouraged. Hopefully Flaherty's advisors will emphasize the differences.


A. Conda
said

Always a beat behind. Does Flaherty really need others to tell him to create jobs? That is far more efficient and is a longer term solution than tax reductions. Let's get on with it now before everything comes to a grinding halt.


kate
said

He doesn't have a choice, if he doesn't hand out taxpayers' money to people - the coalition will reawaken and then watch layton give away all our money and put us in debt for decades while he plays santa claus. We need to ride out the recession..period, end of story. Instead we are panicking for nothing, our job losses are minimal and our banks are strong - we have natural resources aplenty and when the global economy rebounds we will soar. The question is will all the profit go towards bettering our standard of living or go towards paying interest on an out of control deficit.


galactus
said

Real problem is deprecation of Labour via Monetary inflation.

For 30 years the Corporations have been allowed to raise their prices while not giving their workers increases in pay and the purchasing power of the average consumer has steadily declined.

Now one cannot do and "average" job and for example afford a house.

This has been justified because "raising pay causes inflation" what they don't tell you is that the inflation is really monetary ie: printing extra money every year.

The Bank of Canada purposely has kept inflation at 1-3% for some time. This is not only a hidden tax, but it is a direct result of the need to ever expand the money supply in order to repay previous loans with interest.

New money is created via debt and repaid with interest. The system only works if you constantly make the money worth less so you can print more money to pay back the interest. This is the Archille's heal of money creation via debt.

Look at US aggregate inflation rate from 2001 to 2008 about 22.72%. However they have been spending about +6% of GDP hence a real deficit of 27%. (approx.) This is the inflation that SHOULD have happened in order to properly resolve the money supply with the real economy. However they play their interest rate games because they want to make imaginary money but they don't want inflation. Like wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Hence there is and "Inflation deficit of near 30%. About the same as the average house price drop. Coincidence? I don't think so. The more the teeter is pushed one way, the it will bounce back the other.

This has a 300 word limit :(


K
said

Before we can fix the economy we have to fix our government. All these Flaherty budgets will be dust in the wind if the government changes. Dion is gone and that is a good first step but there needs to be pressure to get rid of Harper and Layton. If all the parties are under new leadership we can go back to the polls and hopefully stabilize the government.


Jim Cody
said

Ridiculous!
This government is the SAME OLD SAME OLD AS BEFORE!!!
Gotta start to wonder if there is any innovation in government!!!!
I should be hearing words like efficiency, small is good, innovation etc...
Instead, its same old same old beer drinking thinking in this country! It's going to bite us one of these days (as we rape it away- resources)

Lower taxes will bring more spending. More spending will bring more stuff. Growing of the junk yard!!!
Feds don't have to pay for that, municiple government does!!!
You and me the home owner!!!

I'm just waiting for the banks to raise interest rates. Inevidable.
Everyone bought all at once.

What ever happened to a government governing. Like a governor in an engine. Avoiding it from over heating.
The housing market over heated. ... no one stopped it. Just kept throwing fuel on it.

Time for some major market correction.
Physics - what goes up must come down. We can't escape the physical properties of the planet. Its a finite world we live on.
With economics trying to dictate it. Mother nature the true ruler of it... we'll have to see how she runs the show... physics.


Jim McKay
said

Economics 101... gotta wonder where they got their degree?

If a country goes into deficit, it better be spending the dough on innovation.
Infrastructure will build more roads. More will come. Roads will deteriorate. More money to fix them. Great make work. Costly!
Good for a beer drinking economy!
No innovation.
Cost to future generation.

Hence, no need to invest in schools, R&D etc...
We'll just drive! Drive to no place fast!!!

Anyone thinking out there?
I think not.

Oh canada. Too simple minded.


Lee in Ontario
said

Access to credit creates and maintains jobs, personal income tax cuts encourage spending. Simple really. Just get it done all ready!


Calgary couple w/o kids
said

Yes to lower taxes, and how about tax splitting? For couples without children we have no tax breaks except for the money we put in RRSP's and we take the least away in terms of no kids going to school, highest tax payable on individual incomes, no kids using hockey rinks, no lost time off work due to kids being sick or having to go to the Dr., etc., time to give back to those of us who really need the break and those of us who are paying the highest taxes of anyone.


Raymond
said

Bad idea?
Maybe...but President-Elect Obama supports an additional $300B in tax relief for the USA and everyone cheers.

Go figure.


~~JoeNorthAmerican~~
said

My sister just lost her job of 33 years and my brother-in-law just lost his job of 21 years. How will "tax-cuts" help them?

They need "jobs" that won't be "outsourced" to communist China so it's North American dumping ground "Walmart" can further boost the Chinese economy at the expense of North America.

Communist China and its satellites have leeched off our economy to the point that we may end up becoming communist...just to "survive"!!!

Bring our "manufacturing" economy home and our middle-class jobs! Without it we cannot sustain a healthy economic tax paying base to build our society and keep it going.


Jon D from Fort Saskatchewan
said

The solution is to push and pull at the same time.
Putting money into the hands of consumers (tax cuts) pushes the economy by increasing spending.
Spending money on infrastructure projects *that already needed doing anyway* pulls the economy by creating *temporary* jobs.
Increasing availability of credit *to businesses* means that businesses can expand and invest instead of contracting and downsizing, which in turn creates permanent jobs for when the recession has been ridden out.



beentheredonethat
said

Good plan I like it..make me want to spend more..Cheap RRSP's, cheap gas, and lower taxes. I have to admit I am starting to love this recession.


LH
said

Cutting taxes, always good in my books, I'd rather have my money to spend.

Forgiving student loans, are you crazy??? We already have subsidized education, the loans we have in Canada are minimal compared to countries like the US. I have 3 degrees, I do not have any student loan debt. Instead I worked while going to school and got a few scholarships along the way. Why should the rest of Canada pay for other people's choice to go to school? Post-secondary is already heavily subsidized, if people cannot afford to go, or work while they are there to pay for it, then they shouldn't go until they can, or at least shouldn't try and get out of paying their loans. I know many people that take their student loans and go out every night, go on trips and eat out for breakfast, lunch and dinner, why should the rest of us pay for this lifestyle?

And about the Big 3, seriously people, do some research! 1 in 2 Canadians buy one of their cars, they are good quality and fuel efficient, read the industry reports, and people want to buy them! They have more hybrids, and make many fuel efficient cars people want. Plus Honda and Toyota took a bigger loss than the Big 3 in December. They too are hurting and losing sales.


GS
said

Investing in infrastructure does absolutely nothing to "stimulate the economy" at best, and does more harm to the economy at worst.

The reason is because government is not a wealth generator. They do not produce capital of their own and they are not sitting on some hidden gold mine that they can tap into. The only thing government can do is redistribute capital.

For this reason there is no way to "create jobs" by "investing" in public infrastructure. For every single dollar spent by the government a dollar needs to be taken out of the economy in the form of taxes. Thus for every job "created" by the government a job is destroyed elsewhere. Pumping tax dollars into infrastructure that is not needed, for the sake of "creating jobs", only hurts the economy by removing money that would have otherwise been spent to create jobs elsewhere.

I am not saying that infrastructure that is actually needed should not be built. Only that building that infrastructure does not create jobs. It only removes jobs from one place and puts them into another.

The best thing to do is to lower taxes and cut government spending accordingly. Government can not "stimulate" the economy because government has no money of it's own. Everything it puts into the economy was taken out of the economy in the first place. It's amazing that people don't realize this. Fundamental economics needs to be taught in elementary school.


bunny
said

Well, Obama is cutting taxes big time.So why wouldn't we? I think lower and middle income familes are more likely to spend if there are tax cuts.I have faith in this goverment.


Mark Aubere Moricey
said

Who is Jim Flaherty talking to in order to put together his budget and what are his options?

Philosophically I am a fundamentalist, not an expert. I do not trust experts since like lawyers, commodities or oil they will be discarded once their usefulness has been achieved.

It is easier for him to meet with special interest groups such as: business, big business, financial experts and bankers. Governments have been listening to them or letting them act with questionable results since the gains from the resulting economy over the last 12 or more years have been largely erased. His government has not demonstrated real interest in populist groups and has prorogued parliament so there is no real debate with our elected members of parliament.

Business and big business are concerned with access to credit but I have not seen any numbers translating their concerns into job losses. These are the same people that routinely transfer manufacturing jobs to so called developing countries. From my point of view their concern about access to credit is just that, their concern. Public money should never be used to bail out companies.

Where does the economic cycle begin? Demand for goods and services? Buying power? Savings? Borrowing power? What, who drives the economy? The biggest difference between the economies of the 30s the 50s (remember it took a World War to end the Depression) the 60s the 70 and even the 80s is size and the buying power of the middle class. During this economic crisis the majority of middle class households – like most businesses - need enough credit to prevent financial institutions from calling in loans and will decrease their spending and their debt load before resuming their spending habits which are not likely to return until the economy is stable. We need job protection, job creation and more buying power. Contrary to Mr Flaherty’s opinion we do not need temporary solutions and low paying jobs. Bankers, big business, economists and the Minister of Finance are trying to get the economy to where and to what it was before and that is a major mistake. The genie is out of the lamp and it will not go back in. The markets and people conscientiously or unconscientiously know that the economic model we had until early 2008 is not sustainable. We cannot consume like there is no tomorrow nor can we drain resources without a plan as if they were not finite, we cannot keep sending jobs to other countries as if we can survive on service industry jobs nor can we keep sending billions of dollars to oil producing countries – eastern Canada imports oil from these countries since we do not have a national energy grid.

We need permanent high paying jobs through infra structure building for the future, products made in Canada, lower taxes and non selective investment policies to help Canadian manufacturers.



jdude
said

"Number one concern is create jobs! Not Credit!" Take an economics class and learn something kid... Cut taxes or incease spending or both, it's desperatley needed


Northern Princess
said

There are a few things I don't understand.

Why are young adults forced to pay high rent when they could be paying a mortgage? While they can afford the rent, its the downpayment that gets them. Even with no money down, some mortgage would be lower than their rents, thereby helping with paying taxes, like property, school, etc. Something wrong with this picture.

Why do some seniors have to pay taxes at all? Some can but some are living on just a basic amount of pension a month. They have contributed to the economy all their lives. Something is wrong with this picture too.

Why does the Gov't use my hard earned money to fund people (The Big Three) when the CEOs (who make the dumbest decisions in running a business but the smartest in their own personal finances)have more in bonuses than I do in pay. Something wrong with this picture.

The income tax was created to help pay down the WWII debt, so why have people continued to pay income taxes long after that war debt was paid off? Something wrong with this picture.

Why do people, who's kids have grown up, still have to pay school taxes? I think we've paid our dues. New parents should take the torch and continue this tax, not us. Something wrong with this picture too.

Why hasn't the Gov't of the day ever produced an itemized list of where every cent anyone pays in taxes goes? I would like to know what I'm paying for as I'm sure there are things in there I would be fuming to find out I'm supporting without my consent? Something wrong with this picture.

Why hasn't the Gov't ever asked ME if I'm willing to pay whatever amount in taxes for something BEFORE its decided? Some things I would say NO. Something wrong with this picture too.


Drew in NS
said

Mr. Flaherty seems to be doing an excellent job, getting input from industry, financial institutions, and big business.

He's met with Scott Brison and John McCallum over his Christmas break. He has recieved excellent input and seems he's ready to make the tough decisions.

So where is Jack Layton and the New Democratic Bloc party and his input, I've heard nothing from him for weeks, that's because he can't stop plotting to overthrow the legally elected government. Where is this mans integrety? He has provided no input to Mr. Flaherty, he can only complain that it's not enough without even reading the document.

I think the next election the true motive of the New Democratic Bloc will be evident, and the voter will see this.

Good bye Jacko can't miss you until your gone.


Skipper
said

Lower Taxes, what a dream, I paid over 80,000 in taxes last year, absurd, cut that in half and we'll talk, with all the taxes we pay I'm not driving down nicer roads or getting better service at the hospital. I'm sure I could find alot of places to put 40,000.


Spenc
said

There is no deficit so large that it can be more scary than this idiotic coalition government proposal. Bring on the tax cuts. We the middle class have been paying more than enough for decades!


Access to credit creates deadbeats.
said

Save your money.

Stop looking for my tax money to subsidize your unaffordable lifestyle.




Bush cut taxes like a maniac.
said

Look at the mess he created in the US.

Look at the mess the US created in the world.

Cancel monetarism. Cancel fractional reserve banking.

Pay your debts.




Mark- Thornhill
said

I have never before seen such a self centred group of people.
Money for students.
Money for seniors.
Money for auto workers.

WoW no wonder the government can do no right. Solving the credit crisis is job one!
Infastructure spending to help area with unemployment is job 2 (read that to be Oshawa and Windsor).

all this talk of more money for the poor and the rest??? again when times are tough reward those who do nothing and punish those who work hard.

The Government is well on its way to do the right thing here. I am confident.


No more debt creation. No more debt creation.
said

Create jobs that pay what used to be called a "bread-winner" wage.




Forgive all student loans. Cancel those debts.
said

That will free up money for investment and consumer spending, thereby stimulating the economy.

Oh, it's not about stimulating the economy. It's about propping up corporate deadbeats who contribute to Conservative Party campaign funds.




Stop creating debt.
said

That's how this "global meltdown" started.

If you don't have the cash, you don't buy it.

If you don't have collateral, you don't get a loan.

Live within your means, and stop begging for handouts from the government.

We're not running up deficits because some of you are too stupid to budget.




TG
said

I have to be honest with you; I really don't think that the parliament suspension is going to do much of anything for the Tories other than further their life in the House of Commons. I really believe that the boat is being missed, and come January 27th one of two results will occur

1=> A Coalition
Or
2=> An Election


Got a hangnail? Flaherty says tax cut will cure.
said

One-trick pony needs to read another book.




albertaboy111
said

Does no one see the serious flaw here. Making credit easier to get is just a quick fix. It's like giving the Auto industries a bailout. Sure they will be good for a while but in a few months or even a year everything will be back to where it is now. Only worse because the National debt will be even greater. We need real NEW ideas to fix this problem. If we are going to go into deficit do it by spending the money to create new jobs creating infrastructure like solar and wind power and a high speed mag lev train across the County. Sure it will send us into a deficit but at least Canadians will be working instead of facing bankruptcy. The money they make will keep the economy afloat untill the projects begin to get finished and voila Canada has some great potential for earnings from revenues from what they have created. But of course our current government would never consider government owned anything. Heaven forbid they make money to spend on Canada than Lining CEO's and investors for that matters pockets.


Chris Ont
said

Small business credit might be what the thought is in the short term, not consumer credit. Without credit small business cannot create jobs (really they create the most jobs). When they have the backing to move forward, people start working, paying taxes and buying goods. Then more jobs get created.
Why do people find that concept dificult. Reducing taxes create jobs. Reducing payroll taxes create more.


Marg in Calgary
said

I totally agree with KW on reducing the taxes and doing away with user fees - I mean, really, most of the stuff we do ourselves anyway!! I do my banking online, pay my bills online, etc. No one else does it for me, but I'm still charged user fees for these things. As well, we in Calgary are now going to be charged a "Recycling fee", when not even all of the communities will have this service!! I already pay a private company to come and get my recycling, at a cheaper rate than the city is charging.

I also agree with Clinton in Calgary - I've never liked the GST, and would like to see it gone completely. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever see that, since it's become too much of a cash cow for the government already.

Flaherty needs to take the citizens into consideration in his budget plans - if we can't work, we can't pay, simple as that. However, I don't think we're in as bad of a situation as the U.S.

I want more money in my pocket, so I can pay off my debts, and put some more aside for my retirement. I don't think that's too much to ask.


Marg in Calgary
said

I would also like to see the credit card companies and some lending institutions (not necessarily the major banks - but the smaller, independent lending institutions) cut the obscene amount of interest they charge. They should be on par with the big banks, like 5%, not 23%!! No wonder some people can't afford to pay it back, or are in debt till their retirement. These companies need to start being more realistic with their expectations.


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