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Date: Tue. Jan. 6 2009 6:06 PM ET
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said Ottawa and Canada's banks will create a working group to loosen tight consumer credit, which has been the "number one concern" voiced during pre-budget consultations.
"We all have responsibilities to ensure that the financial system functions properly in support of the Canadian economy," Flaherty said Tuesday after a pre-budget meeting with the Canadian Taxpayers Federation in Montreal.
The comments come a day after Flaherty met with Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney and the country's top bankers and regulators amid growing concern over freezing credit markets.
Flaherty also discussed a proposed stimulus package for the Canadian economy, which would invest heavily in infrastructure but will likely throw the country into deficit for the first time in more than a decade.
"What I've been hearing across Canada and also from my council of economic advisers has been that we need to invest more in infrastructure," Flaherty said before the meeting, adding that tax cuts are also a possibility.
"That is one way of course of supporting the economy, of stimulating the economy, but also we need to look at tax reductions, additional tax reductions, as another way of supporting the economy."
Flaherty said his main goal is to keep the economy in good shape.
"We need to take some steps in the short term to provide stimulus in the economy but we also have to, during this time of economic turbulence, take steps to build capacity in the economy so we come out of the slowness in a position of strength," he said.
On Monday, Flaherty met privately with senior bankers and Bank of Canada governor Mark Carney yesterday but only commented on the discussions at Tuesday press conference.
"I encouraged the heads of the banks, the CEOs to work with the government... to ensure the systemic strength of our banking system in Canada," he said.
Still, according to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF), Flaherty should do all he can to cut taxes and table a balanced budget later this month.
"Unfortunately, the one thing the finance minister was very clear on today is that he fully expects to run an important deficit this year," CTF spokesman Kevin Gaudet told CTV Newsnet Tuesday.
"It looks like taxpayers will be on the hook for the first deficit in some 15 years."
Key to the deficit spending is $4 billion in loans to the moribund domestic auto industry, which has already received $782 million of public funds over the past five years, said Gaudet.
"The government has a long history of throwing money at industries that are failing," he said.
However, Gaudet added that funding the automakers could be a waste of taxpayer's money, because two of the companies could end up bankrupt regardless of any federal loans.
"If you listen to what (President) George Bush said in his statement, he's planning for a structured bankruptcy of two or three of the Big Three. That means the Canadian tax money that's provided to these companies could very easily be flushed away."
While Gaudet said that "an alphabet soup of interest groups" has been pressuring the government for subsidies, he noted that Flaherty has recently signaled that tax relief for Canadian households may also be included in the budget.
Gaudet said the Tory budget will have to appease both Conservatives and the left-leaning opposition parties, meaning a mixed-bag of measures.
"So I think you're going to see the finance minister do a delicate dance between spending and tax relief."
Flaherty has already held pre-budget consultations in Saskatchewan and Atlantic Canada. He will be in Toronto on Friday and in Vancouver next Monday.
Meanwhile, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives (CCPA) released its Alternative Federal Budget (AFB) fiscal stimulus plan.
According to the report, the one-year package would create 407,000 jobs and boost the economy by 3 per cent.
The plan calls for an injection of $32.9 billion, or 2.1 per cent of GDP, into Canada's economy to protect Canadians who experience loss of income, as well as strengthen and build hard and soft infrastructure to address the challenges of climate change, income inequality, and aging populations.
"We've laid out a bold and achievable set of initiatives that can protect Canada from the economic storm while building for future generations," CCPA Senior Economist Armine Yalnizyan said in a press release. "Our plan creates jobs and gives the economy a jolt of life just when it needs it -- now."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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Number one concern is create jobs! Not Credit!
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You wonder where this guy come from Mars? number one concern create jobs!
Roger T
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Borrowing more money while you're in debt and spending what you don't have isn't going to solve the issue. it's controlling bad habits and will power on material things.
I suppose we will see more and more people on the "Til Dept Do Us Part" TV show. Gail Vaz-Oxlade to the rescue! Money, money, money, money!
JP in Ontario
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I hope that with proper consultation, with banks, opposition parties, etc, that the conservative party can put together a budget that will be less inflamatory than the one previously discussed. Maybe if they get this at least mostly right, there wont be anymore talks of coalitions, and we can get a government that will start to work FOR us again. I have personally written Mr Flaherty, my MP, and expressed my concerns. I urge all Canadians to write their MP's to express their concerns regarding the upcoming budget, in the hopes of getting them to apply pressure, or make suggestions to the budget.
Janet - Small Business owner
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Steve the Pundit
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One can only hope that any so-called "stimulus package" the government offers up in the next budget contains measures to bolster consumer confidence, and not create additional bloated government programs or pet projects:
- Targeted tax relief will give people more money to spend; further temporary reductions in the GST will help here
- Measures should be applied to ensure financial markets pass through 100% of bank rate reductions (so government monetary policy is not impeded.
- Infrastructure spending projects should be used with caution; most of these have too long of a time horizon to stimulate the economy in the short term
- Businesses should get additional tax breaks for investments that promote innovation or improved productivity. Canada's productivity continues to lag behind its trading partners, and improved productivity will help manufacturers compete when oil prices shoot back up (and take our dollar up with it)
- Any thoughts of making EI easier to get should be shelved immediately; we don't want to make it easier for people to NOT work.
This is the type of budget Canada needs. The NDP and Bloc won't think so; hopefully Ignatieff will have the sense to make the right decision.
Alanna, Saskatchewan
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Reasonable
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Another good thing would be if they would loosen up so many of the restrictions on Employment Insurance. There are people out there losing their jobs left right and center and are getting hit a double whammy by EI.
Dan from Northern Ont.
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Joe Kool
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We have long established this is the way our economy will work.
Ever try to buy a new car from your savings account? Try a new house. Credit not cash is king in our World economy, and these credit fundimentals are deeply entrenched in the way we do business. Our economic situation can not change unless the world is willing to sign on to a radical reform and restructure of our monitary system.
Bozz
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In order for jobs to be created, money needs to be spent. Making credit available, reducing taxes and investing in infrastructure will create jobs.
Nathan
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There are plenty of jobs to be had - Some sacrifices must be made in order to get said jobs (I.e. moving one's family, taking a pay cut for a while).
Kevin; Manitoba realist
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eskiefan
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Cathy
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I do agree with a tax cut. Means more money in my pocket.
The way I see it the less of tax dollars they have the more they have to work on finding priorities to spend spend the tax money they do have...maybe elimating the extras MPs enjoy or the bailout of high $ CEOs.
We can all remember incidents where our tax money was misused. Placing a little more of MY money in MY hands will help ME out.
S.M.W.
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Why doesn't the Federal government move to make National Student loans tax free? Or better yet, forgive all outstanding loans and going forward operate on a loan / grant mix (based on course enrolment levels and successful completion rate)?
This will lower debt levels for many Canadians while also putting more money in their pockets. Which in turn can be spent on other purchases thus stimulating economic spending?
TG
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Jenna
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DUH!
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Business needs credit to operate. They also fuel the economy with paychecks, tax deductions etc. It's not black and white like you wish it was. There is no super glue to put this thing back together instantly. Time to smell the coffee and get with the program. Enough silly rhetoric. We need a plan and Mr. Flaherty is offering one. Have you got a better solution or just silly comments?
Dale - Edmonton
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Ian- AB
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Prof.Mahesh sharma
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Job # 1 no contest!
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Number 1 priority is to create the jobs. It can be created with or without credit! We are paying way too much taxes already to increase huge deficits that we the workers will be stuck to pay for in the futur!
I don't trust governments spending my money even less borrowing some and letting me pay for it afterworth!
The Big 3 for example are in big trouble because they are producing poor quality cars and cars that are not fuel efficient. Why would we give them more money to produce more of these cars noone want anymore.
Japanese cars took the market because the Big 3 did not listen to what the consumers wanted. On top of this the management of the Big 3 payout huge bonus for running the company near bancrupcy. Would you trust the guys with your personnal money, no way!
Paul - Orillia
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For example giving each person a $1000.00 tax CREDIT does NOT mean you will get $1000 to send. Figure out the tax component... let's say 30%.... you might get $300.00
Boy that's a lot of money to bribe the average Canadian to voting for the Cons and how much will that really stimulate the economy - not a whole heck of a lot.
It doesn't make sense what they are doing. The only sense it makes is that they are continuing to be Political in their decisions for complete power and truly not in Canada's interests. Scary!
KW
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Infrastructure projects are a good plan because many of our roads and bridges need repair.
Did anyone else notice that Flaherty's plans sound remarkably like those proposed by Obama? Interesting that they were also announced the same day. Are we now going to wait for the US to set the pace, or can we think for ourselves?
Peter Medicine Hat
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What will the conservatives think of next to ruin this country. Ha Ha !!!
Dave in Ontario
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Doug BC
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In practical terms,we must ALL reign in our abuse of credit.Both nations and individuals have created this mess by running up massive debt during good times.On that front,I agree with the Conservative plan to pay down debt,and encourage savings by individuals.Both would be a huge benefit to our country.
The hypocracy of the political left on economics is astounding when it comes to these issues.They claim to speak for "average" Canadians by advocating for more taxes,and more "free" social programs.THey also claim to be the defenders of sovereignty for Canada.Those two positions are at odds with each other.
No person,or nation can be free,or sovereign if they are constantly indebted to others,or if the bulk of their earnings are used to service debt.
It is not economics.It is just common sense.
Debt to buy a home,or a car is one thing.But to carry huge debt on credit cards to go on jet set vacations,or buy more junk from China is absurd.It hurts us all.
And,deficits are likely to be needed to get the economy out of this recession.Fair enough.But those debts MUST be short term,and those funds used to build things that will make our economy more efficient when the recession finally comes to an end.And,they MUST be repaid ASAP.They MUST NOT be used for more long term "free" entitlement programs.
If you can't pay for it,don't buy it until you can.You can buy something else with the 18% interest charges you will save.
Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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KJ Kingston Ontario
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Kevin
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tk
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Shirlee
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The young people who have to pay for education are in enough debt to shut them down from buying houses and so forth. A major break for this group alone would go a long way.
I too would hate to be the Finance/Budget Man, how do you spur this country back into action without favouring too few groups?
Mel from Calgary
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As we descend into deficit we can't follow the americans by borrowing money to fund an overseas war. This is a luxury we can't afford.
We need a hard look of how this "global" economy works.
What is made here and what should be made here. The fact that goods can come cheaply from asia indicates there is something skewed in how things work. Are the transportation costs reflected in the price? (New Zealand lamb is cheaper than Alberta lamb in Calgary)
Should the World Trade Organisation consider lax environmental and labour laws an "unfair subsidy"?
brian in sarnia
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Guy
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Linda in Vancouver
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What we must avoid,is the kind of debt that provides no return of that investment in the future,and offers no long term benefit.Also to be avoided,are the "free" social programs that make us more of a nanny state,and will have to be financed and paid for by our children and grandchildren.
But "Dan" is right.If done properly.If we expand out ports,or build higways and pipelines,we will be able to recover that money when we start exporting our products in the future.
If we just start mailing out cheques to people,they will expect,and depend on those cheques forever.I see that as poor policy.
Instead of giving out fish to the hungry,we must teach them to fish.The very best policy to fight poverty is to provide jobs.Not to confiscate the earnings of those who work in order to pay those who don't.Only the elderly and the disable have an excuse for not working for their incomes.
NO MORE SOCIALISM !! That is exactly why I quit voting for federal Liberals.
Cathy
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The problem is not creating jobs ...it is keeping the companies in Canada and not moving to Mexico or China where the labour and everything is cheaper. I have been part of four companies that decided to move elsewhere.
When was the last time you saw or owned merchandise 100% Made in Canada....for me it was back in the Bargain Harold's time...still have the sweatshirt.
I know of many people who ended up getting old age pension without working a day in this country and are on disablity but not have a clean bill of health. Other able bodied people have decided welfare was easier than working.
It is taking care of these kinds of issues that will start balancing our economy and give Canadians confidence.
Brian Wayne, Southern Ontario
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If you want to help me, buy my student debt, which interferes with my ability to feed my children. Since the work I was trained for has dried up and I can't afford the education I was encouraged to get, (which I've already being paying on for 8 years.. with at least 15 to go) promised me a stable career. Diapers, food and school supplies are expensive Mr. Flaherty... or should I use this extra credit to get an Elementary Student loan for my kids?
Marcel
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mikado
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Matt - Kingston
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cory lanterman
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Carolina from the Ridge
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mcm
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Jim in Ottawa
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What will also help balance the books would be significant reduction in head-count in the federal government payrolls. The federal government has grown too rapidly in the past decade and is long overdue for significant, cost-saving layoffs.
Lee in Calgary
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Credit is used to buy raw materials so you can build something, credit is used to pay the transportation bills the utility bills and the wages of the workers until you can sell the product to someone. That all takes time but also begins with a large amount of money in advance.
If you're not building something but selling something, you must pay for the items pay for your shop pay for your utilites and pay for your staff. At some point you sell the item and the money goes towards paying down your line of credit.
If we expected business' to operate without a line of credit the shelves would be pretty bare and the staff pretty few.
Households often operate like a business in the sense that your car may need gas between pay cheques so you fill it up and then pay it off when you get paid. Once in a while a big ticket item hits you like a vacation and it takes 2 months to pay it off. Where both business and families go wrong is after the vacation you take the money ment to pay it down and by a new DVD player.
To often lately we've believed that the good times would never end so we continued to put off paying down the line of credit and continued to enjoy our lifestyles both personnally and in business so now we need to readjust our thinking and our business plans.
But remember without credit you have no ability to do business or run your household so that is job one for the government.
Marcel what government services?
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Reduce taxes or pay the debt and stop providing these services that aren't worth the money!
Whenever you need a service from a government employee you find out that these employees don't appreciate their high paying job with porr service offered are not worth the money! Jave you been to the post office latetly? Shameful personnel!
Reduce government spending and stimulate the private sector, this will generate the jobs and benefits we need!
Dayton
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Jim
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Peter Rapsey
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0% down no payments until 2040!!
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How about coming up with creative solutions rather than copying failed policies of other nations? I'm not in the buying mood, Mr Flarehty.
Kelven
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Tightening, tightening my budget
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And for those of you who believe I am too far in debt - I carry no debt other than a small mortgage on a modest home and that payment is smaller than rent for a comparable property. Oh, I am also a single mother of a 12 year old so I don't qualify for any handouts such as the Universal child care....wonder how many other single parents are out there who are in the same boat as me?
Would love to see some help from businesses who continue to raise their prices beyond reasonable rates simply because they cannot exercise prudent expense reductions in these economic times. Sorry won't be helping the economy by creating debt to buy any fancy furnaces for a while yet.
Terry Neudorf in Dorchester
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It is governments who created these problems by intervention in the free market, along with people's debt-mentality that finally caught up with them. More intervention (read: Bailouts, handouts, infrastructure projects) is NOT going to fix the problem.
Governments need to allow the market to correct itself through a recession, allow insolvent businesses to go belly-up, and allow mal-investments to be purged from the economy. This notion of taking money from those of us who actually have money and give it to companies that should never survive in the first place, and to those who have lived high on the hog by borrowing ridiculous amounts of money to buy huge homes, and more bling than you can shake a stick at, has GOT to stop. Then the government needs to massively cut fat programs and stop spending on military interventionism abroad. This is a "conservative" government?? Hardly.
Larry I Ontario
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Jan. 27 is too long. DO IT NOW! This conservative government is getting to many people involved and should ask swift and NOW!
Don't wait until the bottom falls out!! Time to get a new minister who understands what the people need. Mr. Harper please fire him now and get someone who know what they doing!
Clinton from Calgary
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I would say remove it permanently, but that would never fly, so let's just make it a temporary measure.
We all know how long THOSE can last (take personal income tax for example - maybe its time to finally repeat that temporary emergency measure? Let employeers reduce the amount they pay employees by that amount of tax and shift the load back to where it was previously!)
Popo
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I worked my way through university, I wasn't living at home and paid my tuition myself and guess what? I finished with a total debt of $0! Oh, and that was studying engineering in Ontario (so it wasn't cheap or easy on my schedule). yeah, they weren't the easiest years of my life but it didn't ruin my university life either.
I now live in Quebec where I am disgusted year after year that the student population cries afoul for a $50/semester increase in fees... which they can easily afford considering most programs are less than $2000/term.
I mean, so what if you can't afford a house right out of university... suck it up like the rest of the world!
RT - Regina
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Rob in Alberta
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Dave mentions in his comments the need for the Feds to look at the situation SOME seniors find themselves in. Another writer comments about students and their hardship. While I sympathize, I do not agree that we need as a society to make economic decisions based on specific groups of people.
I contend their are seniors out there who are far better off than I am and poverty is not specific to any one group of people based on age or any other criteria for that matter.
Financial decisions need to be based solely on financial need, not age, skin colour, group affiliation etc.
I sympathize with comments presented by individuals above like Dave who is concerned about 'senior' Canadians. But, anyone no matter what the age who has more money than I do should NOT be treated differently than I am by the tax man.
Bottom line...if you claim you need the help, prove it financially. No other criteria should be taken into account. Period.
Keith in Brampton
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However, media reports indicate a tightening of commercial credit - which will potentially harm otherwise stable businesses and cost jobs. And banks haven't been passing on the lower interest rates to consumers - thus artificially INCREASING the existing debt load of consumers to improve their profits.
Maybe Flaherty should consider floating caps (x% above prime) for various types of consumer debt, to keep the banks from gouging consumers and to allow consumers to more quickly get out of debt (or to allow the more prudent access to cheaper credit; they may be more willing to spend if they can pay it back faster with less interest).
The banks won't like it - but it would increase the odds that I'd take on additional debt for home improvements. I'm betting there are others like me out there - and if so, there's one badly needed boost!
George S
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Poper-Calgary
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Alan
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To Linda in Vancouver it would be great to expand our ports but it is unfortunate the Vancouver port workers are looking to go on strike again. When will the public sector strikes stop. This sector gets paid 17% more than the private sector already and job security is far better there.
Keep up the good work Mr. Flaherty. Obviously you are getting the right inputs.
Leslie
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Galactus
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You are unaware that all new money is created by the incurrence of debt?
So you want more money in the economy then get people to borrow. A Dollar is really an I.O.U..
Roger T
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To those who think we don't need access to credit... What Happens to those like me whose mortgages are up for renewal.....
I think you and most uneducated consumers are misunderstood. Mortgage is a totally different issue.
There are fixed expenses and there are variable expenses.
Fixed expenses are major ones that cannot be changed and variable ones can be controlled by spending habits. Most people who get themsleves into heavy debts are out of control on their habits. They see it and want it right away. Like buy now pay later (cry later) and they choose not to pay it before the due date, it's no ones problems except theirs.
Its the same as wants and needs. Buy only what you need not what you want and can't afford. Live within your means of income. But than again, some people will never learn.
markass
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Glenn
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That will help consumers and retail.
Fed Up
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DJM Woolwich Twp.
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Dick Varley
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A. Conda
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kate
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galactus
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For 30 years the Corporations have been allowed to raise their prices while not giving their workers increases in pay and the purchasing power of the average consumer has steadily declined.
Now one cannot do and "average" job and for example afford a house.
This has been justified because "raising pay causes inflation" what they don't tell you is that the inflation is really monetary ie: printing extra money every year.
The Bank of Canada purposely has kept inflation at 1-3% for some time. This is not only a hidden tax, but it is a direct result of the need to ever expand the money supply in order to repay previous loans with interest.
New money is created via debt and repaid with interest. The system only works if you constantly make the money worth less so you can print more money to pay back the interest. This is the Archille's heal of money creation via debt.
Look at US aggregate inflation rate from 2001 to 2008 about 22.72%. However they have been spending about +6% of GDP hence a real deficit of 27%. (approx.) This is the inflation that SHOULD have happened in order to properly resolve the money supply with the real economy. However they play their interest rate games because they want to make imaginary money but they don't want inflation. Like wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Hence there is and "Inflation deficit of near 30%. About the same as the average house price drop. Coincidence? I don't think so. The more the teeter is pushed one way, the it will bounce back the other.
This has a 300 word limit :(
K
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Jim Cody
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This government is the SAME OLD SAME OLD AS BEFORE!!!
Gotta start to wonder if there is any innovation in government!!!!
I should be hearing words like efficiency, small is good, innovation etc...
Instead, its same old same old beer drinking thinking in this country! It's going to bite us one of these days (as we rape it away- resources)
Lower taxes will bring more spending. More spending will bring more stuff. Growing of the junk yard!!!
Feds don't have to pay for that, municiple government does!!!
You and me the home owner!!!
I'm just waiting for the banks to raise interest rates. Inevidable.
Everyone bought all at once.
What ever happened to a government governing. Like a governor in an engine. Avoiding it from over heating.
The housing market over heated. ... no one stopped it. Just kept throwing fuel on it.
Time for some major market correction.
Physics - what goes up must come down. We can't escape the physical properties of the planet. Its a finite world we live on.
With economics trying to dictate it. Mother nature the true ruler of it... we'll have to see how she runs the show... physics.
Jim McKay
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If a country goes into deficit, it better be spending the dough on innovation.
Infrastructure will build more roads. More will come. Roads will deteriorate. More money to fix them. Great make work. Costly!
Good for a beer drinking economy!
No innovation.
Cost to future generation.
Hence, no need to invest in schools, R&D etc...
We'll just drive! Drive to no place fast!!!
Anyone thinking out there?
I think not.
Oh canada. Too simple minded.
Lee in Ontario
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Calgary couple w/o kids
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Raymond
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Maybe...but President-Elect Obama supports an additional $300B in tax relief for the USA and everyone cheers.
Go figure.
~~JoeNorthAmerican~~
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They need "jobs" that won't be "outsourced" to communist China so it's North American dumping ground "Walmart" can further boost the Chinese economy at the expense of North America.
Communist China and its satellites have leeched off our economy to the point that we may end up becoming communist...just to "survive"!!!
Bring our "manufacturing" economy home and our middle-class jobs! Without it we cannot sustain a healthy economic tax paying base to build our society and keep it going.
Jon D from Fort Saskatchewan
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Putting money into the hands of consumers (tax cuts) pushes the economy by increasing spending.
Spending money on infrastructure projects *that already needed doing anyway* pulls the economy by creating *temporary* jobs.
Increasing availability of credit *to businesses* means that businesses can expand and invest instead of contracting and downsizing, which in turn creates permanent jobs for when the recession has been ridden out.
beentheredonethat
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LH
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Forgiving student loans, are you crazy??? We already have subsidized education, the loans we have in Canada are minimal compared to countries like the US. I have 3 degrees, I do not have any student loan debt. Instead I worked while going to school and got a few scholarships along the way. Why should the rest of Canada pay for other people's choice to go to school? Post-secondary is already heavily subsidized, if people cannot afford to go, or work while they are there to pay for it, then they shouldn't go until they can, or at least shouldn't try and get out of paying their loans. I know many people that take their student loans and go out every night, go on trips and eat out for breakfast, lunch and dinner, why should the rest of us pay for this lifestyle?
And about the Big 3, seriously people, do some research! 1 in 2 Canadians buy one of their cars, they are good quality and fuel efficient, read the industry reports, and people want to buy them! They have more hybrids, and make many fuel efficient cars people want. Plus Honda and Toyota took a bigger loss than the Big 3 in December. They too are hurting and losing sales.
GS
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The reason is because government is not a wealth generator. They do not produce capital of their own and they are not sitting on some hidden gold mine that they can tap into. The only thing government can do is redistribute capital.
For this reason there is no way to "create jobs" by "investing" in public infrastructure. For every single dollar spent by the government a dollar needs to be taken out of the economy in the form of taxes. Thus for every job "created" by the government a job is destroyed elsewhere. Pumping tax dollars into infrastructure that is not needed, for the sake of "creating jobs", only hurts the economy by removing money that would have otherwise been spent to create jobs elsewhere.
I am not saying that infrastructure that is actually needed should not be built. Only that building that infrastructure does not create jobs. It only removes jobs from one place and puts them into another.
The best thing to do is to lower taxes and cut government spending accordingly. Government can not "stimulate" the economy because government has no money of it's own. Everything it puts into the economy was taken out of the economy in the first place. It's amazing that people don't realize this. Fundamental economics needs to be taught in elementary school.
bunny
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Mark Aubere Moricey
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Philosophically I am a fundamentalist, not an expert. I do not trust experts since like lawyers, commodities or oil they will be discarded once their usefulness has been achieved.
It is easier for him to meet with special interest groups such as: business, big business, financial experts and bankers. Governments have been listening to them or letting them act with questionable results since the gains from the resulting economy over the last 12 or more years have been largely erased. His government has not demonstrated real interest in populist groups and has prorogued parliament so there is no real debate with our elected members of parliament.
Business and big business are concerned with access to credit but I have not seen any numbers translating their concerns into job losses. These are the same people that routinely transfer manufacturing jobs to so called developing countries. From my point of view their concern about access to credit is just that, their concern. Public money should never be used to bail out companies.
Where does the economic cycle begin? Demand for goods and services? Buying power? Savings? Borrowing power? What, who drives the economy? The biggest difference between the economies of the 30s the 50s (remember it took a World War to end the Depression) the 60s the 70 and even the 80s is size and the buying power of the middle class. During this economic crisis the majority of middle class households – like most businesses - need enough credit to prevent financial institutions from calling in loans and will decrease their spending and their debt load before resuming their spending habits which are not likely to return until the economy is stable. We need job protection, job creation and more buying power. Contrary to Mr Flaherty’s opinion we do not need temporary solutions and low paying jobs. Bankers, big business, economists and the Minister of Finance are trying to get the economy to where and to what it was before and that is a major mistake. The genie is out of the lamp and it will not go back in. The markets and people conscientiously or unconscientiously know that the economic model we had until early 2008 is not sustainable. We cannot consume like there is no tomorrow nor can we drain resources without a plan as if they were not finite, we cannot keep sending jobs to other countries as if we can survive on service industry jobs nor can we keep sending billions of dollars to oil producing countries – eastern Canada imports oil from these countries since we do not have a national energy grid.
We need permanent high paying jobs through infra structure building for the future, products made in Canada, lower taxes and non selective investment policies to help Canadian manufacturers.
jdude
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Northern Princess
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Why are young adults forced to pay high rent when they could be paying a mortgage? While they can afford the rent, its the downpayment that gets them. Even with no money down, some mortgage would be lower than their rents, thereby helping with paying taxes, like property, school, etc. Something wrong with this picture.
Why do some seniors have to pay taxes at all? Some can but some are living on just a basic amount of pension a month. They have contributed to the economy all their lives. Something is wrong with this picture too.
Why does the Gov't use my hard earned money to fund people (The Big Three) when the CEOs (who make the dumbest decisions in running a business but the smartest in their own personal finances)have more in bonuses than I do in pay. Something wrong with this picture.
The income tax was created to help pay down the WWII debt, so why have people continued to pay income taxes long after that war debt was paid off? Something wrong with this picture.
Why do people, who's kids have grown up, still have to pay school taxes? I think we've paid our dues. New parents should take the torch and continue this tax, not us. Something wrong with this picture too.
Why hasn't the Gov't of the day ever produced an itemized list of where every cent anyone pays in taxes goes? I would like to know what I'm paying for as I'm sure there are things in there I would be fuming to find out I'm supporting without my consent? Something wrong with this picture.
Why hasn't the Gov't ever asked ME if I'm willing to pay whatever amount in taxes for something BEFORE its decided? Some things I would say NO. Something wrong with this picture too.
Drew in NS
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He's met with Scott Brison and John McCallum over his Christmas break. He has recieved excellent input and seems he's ready to make the tough decisions.
So where is Jack Layton and the New Democratic Bloc party and his input, I've heard nothing from him for weeks, that's because he can't stop plotting to overthrow the legally elected government. Where is this mans integrety? He has provided no input to Mr. Flaherty, he can only complain that it's not enough without even reading the document.
I think the next election the true motive of the New Democratic Bloc will be evident, and the voter will see this.
Good bye Jacko can't miss you until your gone.
Skipper
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Spenc
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Access to credit creates deadbeats.
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Stop looking for my tax money to subsidize your unaffordable lifestyle.
Bush cut taxes like a maniac.
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Look at the mess the US created in the world.
Cancel monetarism. Cancel fractional reserve banking.
Pay your debts.
Mark- Thornhill
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Money for students.
Money for seniors.
Money for auto workers.
WoW no wonder the government can do no right. Solving the credit crisis is job one!
Infastructure spending to help area with unemployment is job 2 (read that to be Oshawa and Windsor).
all this talk of more money for the poor and the rest??? again when times are tough reward those who do nothing and punish those who work hard.
The Government is well on its way to do the right thing here. I am confident.
No more debt creation. No more debt creation.
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Forgive all student loans. Cancel those debts.
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Oh, it's not about stimulating the economy. It's about propping up corporate deadbeats who contribute to Conservative Party campaign funds.
Stop creating debt.
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If you don't have the cash, you don't buy it.
If you don't have collateral, you don't get a loan.
Live within your means, and stop begging for handouts from the government.
We're not running up deficits because some of you are too stupid to budget.
TG
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1=> A Coalition
Or
2=> An Election
Got a hangnail? Flaherty says tax cut will cure.
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albertaboy111
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Chris Ont
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Why do people find that concept dificult. Reducing taxes create jobs. Reducing payroll taxes create more.
Marg in Calgary
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I also agree with Clinton in Calgary - I've never liked the GST, and would like to see it gone completely. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever see that, since it's become too much of a cash cow for the government already.
Flaherty needs to take the citizens into consideration in his budget plans - if we can't work, we can't pay, simple as that. However, I don't think we're in as bad of a situation as the U.S.
I want more money in my pocket, so I can pay off my debts, and put some more aside for my retirement. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Marg in Calgary
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