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Date: Tuesday Dec. 16, 2008 12:08 PM ET

NASA scientists say their analysis of new satellite data shows that the Earth lost more than two trillion tons of land ice since 2003.

Measurements of ice collected by NASA's GRACE satellite suggests that most of the land ice lost over the past five years has been in Greenland, with significant losses also occurring in Alaska and the Antarctic. Scientists say the Greenland melt shows no signs of slowing down and, instead, it appears to be accelerating.

Melting of land ice increases sea levels slightly, which also rise as warming water expands.

Scientists say they are concerned about the melting land ice because Greenland didn't add to rising world sea levels in the 1990s. Now, it's adding about half a millimetre of sea level per year.

"It's not getting better. It's continuing to show strong signs of warming and amplification," NASA ice scientist Jay Zwally told The Associated Press. "There's no reversal taking place."

While the figures for the amount of land ice that melted in Greenland this summer aren't complete yet, this year's ice loss won't be as much as 2007, according to NASA. But scientists say it will still be significant.

Melting land ice from Greenland, Antarctica and Alaska raised global sea levels about half-a-centimetre in the past five years, according to NASA scientists.

There was a small glimmer of good news in NASA's latest findings. Land ice in Alaska increased slightly in 2008. The increase was due mainly to increased snowfalls. But NASA notes that since 2003, when the U.S. space agency began collecting satellite measurements, Alaska has lost more than 400 billion tonnes of land ice.

NASA scientists will release their findings on Thursday at the American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco.

Conference scientists studying sea ice are also expected to announce that parts of the Arctic north were several degrees warmer this past fall.

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Joe King Pickering.
said

Oh that,s just great ,something else to worry about,i mean along with losing my $ 93:50 per hour union job !


FN
said

How sad it is that we're destroying our own planet.

What will be of our kids and grandkids?


Buba
said

I wonder how the climate change naysayers are going to spin this data?


Mandosa in Sarnia, Ontario
said

I thought we were done with chicken little's dire predictions that planet earth is busted. Apparently not.
More of the same 'the weather is different then the previous years' meaningless drivel.
Oh well. I guess i'm the fool for not taking advantage of how this propaganda can get the rest of you to pay for my furnace and window upgrades on my house.



Eddie
said

Climate should change over time. It always has, people who deny this are just Flat Earthers. Without climate change there would be no evolution. These Flat Earthers will probably start complaining about continental drift and start demanding it be stopped and blame it on Europeans, and that Europeans should pay for continental drift affecting 3rd world countries. The tree line is still 100 km south of where it was 500 years ago, the Laurentian shield (Canada's craton) is still rebounding at 3" per year from the last ice age. Climate changes drastically every few months. The long term trend for this planet is to be vaporized by the sun. These Flat Earthers just need to deal with it.


Stittsville Sam
said

With all this polar ice melting we not seen any mass flooding along the coastlines or on small islands. Where is the flooding?

Could it just be part of a normal natural cyclical climate change? Me thinks so.

As we approach Christmas I have to think God is still in charge, not man much as he thinks he is.




ROB
said

its 12 degrees in Nova Scotia today, what does that say, come on people if the gov't placed a 10th of the interest or money in to global warming as they did the economic down turn we could solve this crisis, but no, why would they it is only a question of survival or the planet, it will serve us right when it all ends in about 30 years, hopefully Obama can do something because Harper and his tar sands buddies will do nothing.DO SOMETHING!!! ANYTHING.


Original Canadian.
said

Cool!
More usable land for Canada.
And no I don't care if other countries get swamped. Only Canada counts.


Jackie Barrett
said

Hope Canada, USA, Japan, China, and other major greenhouse gas emitters now know ignoring the problem will simply not go away.

Continue to ignore it, and cities like Shanghai, New York City, Venice, London, and other major coastal cities will be underwater as sea levels rise due to government incompetence and poor leadership.

Furthermore, countries like the Maldives will be completely underwater due to rising sea levels.

Let it be a lesson for Stephen Harper to stop ignoring scientists and stop listening to the oilpatch, and listen to our world environmental needs.

Let's hope Sir Richard Branson speeds up his contest for removing CO2 from our atmosphere.


Tracy
said

and what do you have to say about this MR HARPER


Ian Ottawa
said

the circle of life and little else. Was the Ice Age caused by us also? I find the scientists and Tree Huggers are just trying for funding and to further there self importance and wanting us to hear there "I told you so"


YoYoma
said

These numbers are incomprehensable, so no doubt we're all terrified! Now if they were simply put in terms of percentages? Also, we really don't know what this means as GRACE was put in the sky only recently. I'm not saying it's not alarming, but no scientist makes a hypothesis based on a small amount of data.


Jack Frost
said

Please get Obama in office and get this enviromental movement going. It's about time some major action happened regarding this situation, no more 5 alarm warnings, lets just get working on solving the problems instead of just talking about them!


Steve in Ottawa
said

Yes, the climate may be changing, but are humans the cause?

Solar scientists are puzzled by unprecedented recorded sunspot minimums.

The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists' equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices and views of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears.

Set for release this week,is a newly updated U.S. Senate Minority Report featuring the dissenting voices of over 650 international scientists, many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN's human based claim.

That being said, there is no doubt that air pollution should be controlled.




Duane Oshawa
said

Seems we have no ability to affect the swings in temperature, as it is part of a cycle that is repeating itself. Instead of trying to ward off the inevitable, we should plan for it, perhaps we are also trying to make to many conclusions from much to short of a data set!
We only this year realized tree ring data was irrelevant in determining past climate data.
Alarmist have always caused damage by poorly devised solutions and hasty actions.

This has happened before, and will again, and perhaps admit we do not know what tomorrow holds, due to our inability to control the real variables that cause fluctuations in our environment.

There will always be politician's backing a bunch of money grubbing thieves. And what a way to create a sense of urgency, telling people only the bad side, and omitting the bright side.

What if we have peaked in warming, and are now starting a cooling trend, as suggested by all the temperature recording data? What if the Sun doesn't soon increase its activity? We are not even considering this data, WHY?


K Murphy
said

This should alarm people, but unfortunately we have a conservative government in Canada remains defiantly opposed to the science of climate change. The rest of the world is watching and working for change - these Canadian politicians hide their head in the sand - and we all lose.


MRC in Hamilton
said

And everyone forgets why Greenland is called Greenland... Damn the Vikings & their SUVs!!


DM
said

The study has to go back to 2003 to validate the headline.

Essentially the story for Greenland is: "but this year's ice loss, while still significant, won't be as severe as 2007." and Alaska's "land ice increased slightly in 2008 because of large winter snowfalls,"

Looks like global warming is over, and we're heading back to normal.


Sherry
said

The planet Mars has also been experiencing the same per-centage of global warming as Earth. What's up with that David Suzuki .... I am sure that polluting the atmosphere is bad and I'm all for alternative energies but let's not put all the blame on mankind.


Chris in Calgary
said

Okay, alarmist point noted. However, why do alarmist type articles always fail to mention both sides, such as, the increase in the much larger Antartic ice pack.


MHB
said

The result is obvious!. The Maladive islands are about to disappear and they are looking into buying a piece of land somewhere else and moving the whole nation!. Other coountries are also awaiting the same fate such as Bangaladish. Some countries are already being infringed upon by the sea such as Egypt. These poor people in the 3rd world are paying the price for the retarded environmental policies of main polluters such as China, the US, and Canada!.


DB Cooper
said

Even if we shut down every single industry and every single vehicle in the world, it would not stop this process.

Regardless of what scientists or the average person believes to be the cause of global warming, the ball is rolling and cannot be stopped.

Rather than trying to figure out how to reverse it, we should be researching how to survive it.


Dd
said

And yet people still sit with their head in the sand thinking climate change isn't real. They'll say "oh, it snowed in New Orleans, so it's not real" or "we had a cold winter, so it's not real" without a clue about what climate change is.

It's climate, to start. Not weather. Weather is what is happening outside your window now and that will vary because of numerous factors like La Nina (which caused last year's cold winter and its lingering effects is being felt in the west and midwest...but not in Newfoundland anymore...where we've broken several temperature records this month...heck, it's 11 degrees right now).

Climate is what the trend of weather is over a long period of time. Getting a cold winter is fine, but not if 18 of the other 20 were warmer than normal.

And ice cores are PROVING that mankind has never lived with atmospheric CO2 this high. Some naysayers blindly say the warming is "natural" without a clue. Nature increases CO2 through lightning source forest fires and Volcanoes and that would increase CO2 by 3 ppm over a period of 1000 years.

MANKIND IS INCREASING CO2 BY 3 PPM IN A SINGLE YEAR!!!!

The natural high of CO2 is 300 ppm. We are at 387 ppm and the rate is accelerating. Just how long do you think this planet can handle 1000 years of CO2 in ONE YEAR??????????????

These are facts. Undisputed facts...except by energy-paid "scientists." It's only a matter of time before climate change will become obvious to everyone. Hopefully, it won't be too late...cause it will be sad to think that we've destroyed so much in order to line the pockets of energy sector CEOs.


MILT
said

All the more reason that governments need to increase incentives for Hybrid vehicles, wind turbines, solar energy and other alternative energy sources.

Presently the incentives that the Canadian government offer are poor and even behind the US.
So cmon Canada dont just talk the walk.

The polution laws need to be the same in countries like China, Mexico etc as they are in North America.
At least then we are on the same playing field.
Just look at China. people walking around with masks.


Sahib Reginawale
said

FN
How sad it is that we're destroying our own planet.

What will be of our kids and grandkids?

---

Our kids/grand kids will have fun rowing around in boats. The will not need cars and hence no gas. This will reduce pollution and will be good for the planet. Melt ice melt!


curious
said

is that where our bottled water is coming from? just had to ask.


western patriot
said

after all...ms may might get a senate seat....


chicken
said

Was not Greenland melted during the Viking days? They farmed the land there. The glaciers came back and then they left.

Hence, the term 'Greenland'.


Kris D
said

I am just glad that Obama has selected an actual scientist to lead the EPA.

And he'll actually read reports like this from NASA.

Science: Don't be afraid of it. It has already saved millions of lives, and it could save ours.


Adolph McLaden
said

Obviously you guys don't get it. The aliens think this planet is too cold when they abduct cows. Therefore it has been decided that there are to be no more ice ages. Pump up the co2 gas baby !!! We need co2 levels back to the same level before these damned trees sucked it all out of the atmosphere ( remember what happened on Mars ). The Sun ain't getting any warmer and the plans for moving to Venus are on hold do to paperwork issues.


Dave
said

Maybe they can start farming in Greenland like the Norse were doing 1000 years ago.

Greenland, northern Canada and Sibera can soon be the largest farming areas in the world.


Nanook from Timberton
said

5000 Europeans die from heat every summer, but 24,000 die from cold. Hmmmmm. FACT.


Gerry Demers
said

To all of you who are still in denial regarding global warming,perhaps it would be time to go back to school.This great planet of ours is sick and we need all of us to unite together and make her better.How can anyone deny the climatic changes going on.We may lay blame on our governments but all of us are responsible for this mess.For so many years the human race has mistreated this planet and in the end Mother Earth will find a way to heal herself but that healing will mean that the human race will be no more.This planet will outlast us no matter what we do but why do we not care about the place where we live.It is no like we can go somewhere else to live..
WAKE UP ALL OF YOU.
And stop wasting your time writing stupidities, If you do not know what you are talking about, shut up and educate yourself.


AndyL
said

Buba: I am not saying there is no global warming, I just don't think as highly of myself like you do, and think that I am actually capable of changing weather on this planet. This is a cyclical process, just like the past ice ages. Afraid of melting ice, move to higher ground


JP in Ontario
said

Well, here is an interesting article for the day. This truly sounds like terrible news, but as many have pointed out, the increase in land ice in Alaska is glazed over. So, we have scientists on both sides of the line, both of whom have very convincing data, how do we, the public interpret it? However the media spins it today, thats how.
Folks, I am not a scientist, but from what I can gather, global warming is a natural phenomenon. However, before you go crazy, let me temper that with, it is accelerating at an unnatural rate. Global initiatives are required to reduce polutants, but not just greenhouse gases. We have to learn how to work with our planet, as opposed to just taking from it as we have for the past few centuries. We polute everything, air, water, ground, you name it.
Here's an interesting point for you too. Lake Erie pollution levels have decreased. No human actions have been knowingly taken to initiate this. In recent years, it has started to wash out on the shore lines. How you ask?
The Earth has a natural balance, it can restore this. We have to learn how to work with it...NOT an easy thing. We must recognize that overambition to resolve this growing problem, could possibly exacerbate it. We have a delicate path to find and follow in the near future.
Patience, preparation and wise decisions are the order of the day heading forward. We must not forget the balance though, and must work toward fitting in with it somehow. I pray we dont miss an opportunity to act while waiting and collecting data though.


Warren
said

Where is the info on how much the ice has thickened on the east side of Antartica, you never hear this with these people.


Concerned Canadian
said

I am curious as to why those of us who understand the threat of climate change are called "flat earthers". Weren't flat earthers the people who didn't believe scientists when they said the earth was round? So if climate change deniers don't believe scientists who claim the earth is threatened, aren't they the "flat earthers"?

By the way, arctic ice floats, so when it melts, it doesn't raise the sea level, as anyone with a grade 4 education knows. But the change in albedo (the degree to which a surface reflects or absorbs light) is lowered, so that it absorbs more energy from the sun rather than reflecting it, causing the temperature to rise even more. The problem is that this can cause a runaway effect, leading to more drastic warming in a few decades.

Mars is undergoing its own form of warming for the same reason as the earth- there are trillions of tons of frozen CO2 at its southern pole, and when its orbit brings it nearer to the sun, that CO2 melts and the planet warms. Here we are doing the same thing artificially with our own CO2. The warming of Mars helps confirm, not disconfirm, global warming theory.

You see folks, these changes have happened before- but not at this rate. The problem is not some mysterious "cycles" that deniers often cite, but the rapidity of change associated with our production of CO2. Yes the planet will survive, but it is naive to think that the effects will be unambiguously good for Canada - we will suffer more forest fires and degradation of our ecosystem as a result, including loss of habitat for hundreds of species. Global warming is not good news.


Gregg in Edmonton
said

I just read the headline that scientists are predicting the global temperature to drop 1/10 of a degree this year. This drop along with 6/10 of a degree we lost last year has more than eliminated 100 years of global warming. Various parts of the world experience constant changes in climate over time and this loss in total ice was going to happen due to natural events even if there were no humans. Did NASA offer any data that would suggest that other parts of the world besides Alaska are seeing dramatic increases. The way I read this article, this is the total amount that has melted wich is supposed to happen each summer, but doesn't recognize what accumulated each year to give a balance.


rickj
said

People should respect our environment and take care of it as it is our lifeline.

It won't be long before earth gets a visit from
Klatu and Gort.

Peace on Earth and Goodwill to all.


concerned
said

The nay sayers are right. Why bother with the planet. Who needs it. Why be concerned that we have contributed to speed up global warming to the point of no return. Who cares about what we wil be leaving our future generations. Just as long as I have cheep oil who cares about anything else.


bob in ottawa
said

The oceans rise 0.5 millimeter per year.

That means it will take 600 years to got up a foot. Oooh.




Shane Prpich
said

Can we have Jesus back please? Things are getting out of hand down here!


Jean in Ottawa
said

Ah, what the media reports, and what they don't report. If anyone cares to search on The Summit Ice Cores (GISP2 and GRIP) drilling projects in Greenland they will find that the ice at the bottom of the Greenland ice cap is ~110,000 years old. So during the last interglacial when homo sapiens were still hunting and gathering in Africa, there was either very little or no ice on Greenland, whereas now it is up to 3 kilometres thick. Climate changes, and the media seems only intent on alarmism without perspective.


Allan M
said

The fact that there are so many deniers of global warming and unnatural climate change, despite clear evidence shown time and time again, tells me that things couldn't be worse. The planet could have no ice caps and the equator be 55 degrees celsius, and some people would find a way to say that it's O.K.

We won't be satisfied until our over-consumption habits leave our planet an uninhabitable wasteland.


Les J
said

2 trillion tonnes, is just over 2000 cubic km of ice, globally.

Since the end of the last ice age, 10,000,000 cubic km of ice melted in Canada ALONE.



Mike in Canmore
said

Oh but Climate Change is a natural phenomenon!

People driving in cars/trucks/SUVs is natural!

Spewing Billions of tonnes of exhaust/pollution across the globe is natural!

Yes humans are definitely a LARGE part of the cause.

Conservatives keep on keeping your heads in the sand and think only of your short-term monetary wealth unlike your forefathers who has some semblance of respect and thought for the descendants/future generations.



Alex (Toronto)
said

People continue to ignore the facts. The Earth's temperature is rising more than a dozen times faster than at the end of any previous ice age in the past half million years. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere has also risen outside the natural range of 180 to 300 ppm in recent years. Although human-created carbon dioxide has been going on for a thousand years, most of the problem has happened since 1980, with a very large increase in the 21st century. Only in recent years has humanity's industrial CO2 output exceeded nature's ability to adapt. Environmental scientists have known this, which is why the Kyoto treaty was created.

Increased snowfall in very cold areas means the atmosphere is warm enough to collect water vapor to create snow. It's a bad sign. Melting sea ice does not change sea levels by itself, but changing the albedo of the sea means that the oceans absorb more heat from the sun, which in turn raises the temperature of the land. A few milimeters here and there might not sound like much to us, but the Maldives (population 310,000) may have to abandon their entire nation this century. A lot of Vancouver is pretty close to sea level too, as are many other coastal cities around the world. The Netherlands will need a massive engineering project not to become a new bay off the North Sea.

This problem has mostly occurred in our lifetime, and we are going to see some serious consequences in our lifetime if we don't deal with it. The longer we put this off, the greater the cost of remediation will be; it could easily add up to hundreds of trillions of dollars, or more. It makes no sense for us to impose this environmental deficit on our children.


Greg - Signs and Wonders
said

Why anyone would believe what NASA has to say is amazing. Remember this is the agency that built the shuttle and sent 2 crews of astronauts to a seering death in 1986 and 2003.

Earth as been around for 3 billion years, it's not going anywhere.

The sun is a planet too, do you see it burning out ?


Chris
said

People dont worrie God will protect you, when your dead!


Julie - Saskatoon
said

Geez, I kinda wish I could feel the effects of climate change right now! A deep freeze on the Prairies in December seems like an ominous sign for the winter to come!

In all seriousness now, I'm sure that climate change is a valid and serious concern. My issue is that it seems there are two sides of the story; one set of scientists fights saying the changes are due solely to human behaviour, and the other which states it's merely "cyclical". While I'm sure it's a little bit of column A and a little bit of column B, I would like to find a group of scientists that can tell us exactly how much faster than expected (based on years of cyclical data extracted from tens of thousands year old glaciers) is our climate changing?

Going into an ice age is the worlds natural way of healing itself. Life has survived through a couple of them, and I'm sure a few of mankind will survive this one. With 6 billion+ people on earth, maybe it's not a bad thing...


Abdula
said

It is interesting how the energy industry paid science types have so successfully conned the gullible, that when evidence like this is published the behave like ostriches and push their heads deeper into the sand.

Go ahead believe there is no global climate crisis, Invest in the auto-secter, and rely on that private pension you bought into. The Stock Market will be back to normal next week and Stephen Harper really has a plan HONEST HE DOES.! Anyone want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge I hear it is going cheap.(sarcasm intended)


Tom in Calgary
said

NASAs own websites including NASA GISS and the English MET service both indicate worldwide temp drops since about 2000. The long term sunspot minima such as the famed Maunder Minimum continue to match the tiny .2 degree changes that the alarmists are always pointing too.

I am so sick of the local weather stories "proving it". Its not weather its climate. The sea ice stories are spun so badly that they don't match any history at all. As has been pointed out NASAs own material shows increased sea ice in the antarctic. Look it up alarmists. You may want to avoid the Gore sites and actually go to NASA. Its enlightening.


Lorne
said

To those people who think Obama can make a change - forget it. He is only another ordinary human being who has to worry about getting the US economy back on track.
Mankind has contributed to the freefall of this planet and nothing will change.
Global warming, CO2 emissions will continue to rise, as well as the eventual demise of Earth.


Vic
said

Just part of the same old same old thing that happens every 100 years or so. If people are the problem then maybe the next solution would be to get rid of 2,000,000.00 people per year till we fined the right mixture. Just another stupid idea like the rest of the ideas of the global warming hippies.


BT
said

I dread the thought fully developed minds are posting this dribble. God at work? Whatever gets you through the day... Propaganda? Yeah big climate change conspiracy...NASA and David Suzuki are behind it… Once you fools trade in your Dodge Hemi for a hybrid piss can, the powers at be can call it a day.



Jason
said

Maybe the governments should have done something about this when they were first told about it 25 years ago.

Its our own fault .... think about the waste that each person puts out each day ...

The Human race is earth's problem


peter c
said

all that melting and the water rose how many millimeters? quit trying to scare us.



Chris
said

There was only one study on Solar affects on global warming. The contribution has since been debunked. As for the cycle arguments. Well we have already passed any peaks in the past recorded history of the earth, so that argument has been debunked. The most pessimistic model have now been shown to be underestimates of the current acceleration of climate change. One thing to note, Climate Change is an overall trend. Just becuase it was hot today or cold tommorrow, you cannot make an assesment that Climate Change is real or a hoax. People complain about having a debate. Well the debate happend about 20 years ago. Sorry, but you missed it. There is not mass disagreement in the scientific communities. It is extermely foolish and arrogant to think that people cannot affect the climate in the atmosphere. The Earth is a ship in a bottle.


Derek
said

Ever watched The Great Global Warming Swindle? by Martin Durkin? Don't worry. This isn't our fault and the ice will come back.


DPG - enough melting
said

With no rise in the sea level & forecasts of a colder than normal winter, i'll put it down to earth weather cycles & get on with determining if we can survive the remainder of everyday bad news.
Although an optimist, my perception is that the polar bear will be here long after humanity has argued, fought & demised.


M.E.
said

Of course climate changes and always has. Why do you think we have had ice ages? I think this is a natural occurrence that may have been sped up slightly by man. Several years ago it was the ozone layer that was going to be the end of the world.


Will
said

Dear God people, the climate always has and always will change. Hopefully sanity prevails and we don't waste a penny on something that is a natual cycle of our wonderfully made planet.

Will


Tom in Calgary
said

To "Chris".

Only one sunspot study and it was debunked? Outrageous. If I could post the graphs of the solar minima and the matching NASA and MET 120 year trends even an alarmist like you could see the evidence is far stronger than the computor models of CO2 warming will ver match anything. One study debunked indeed. Please tell us who's study and who debunked it?


Edwin from Toronto
said

We have to save the ice first.

Auto companies have to wait...


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