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Date: Thu. Dec. 11 2008 11:31 AM ET

The Supreme Court of Canada says that Ottawa illegally collected employment insurance contributions for three years under the former Liberal government.

The court, though, rejected union claims that Ottawa diverted money from deliberately-over-inflated EI surpluses to balance the federal budget and fund programs.

In a 7-0 decision, the court ruled EI premiums were inappropriately collected between 2002, 2003, and 2005. That's when the Liberal cabinet set EI rates directly without the authorization from Parliament and the employment insurance commission, a violation of the principle of no taxation without representation.

"This means that employment insurance premiums were collected unlawfully, without the necessary legislative authorization," Justice Louis LeBel wrote in the decision.

Canada's highest court ruled, however, that the federal government was within its rights to divert EI contributions to pay down the deficit from 1996-2001.

It also noted that the court's declaration would be suspended for a period of 12 months to allow the government to respond.

  • Read the full text of the court's ruling by clicking on the right-hand link

A Quebec labour union first raised the issue, claiming that Jean Chretien's Liberal government diverted $54 billion from unemployment insurance contributions made by employers and their workers.

The Confederation des Syndicats Nationaux claimed the government was using the money unconstitutionally to balance the budget. Labour leaders demanded that the Ottawa take the money out of general revenues and return the money to the EI program.

The Canadian Labour Congress wanted the money to:

  • boost EI's future benefits
  • or offset future increases in EI premiums

Before the ruling, the governing Conservative government had not agreed to return the $54 billion diverted from the EI fund. But Ottawa had said it would set up an independent crown corporation to run the program on a break-even basis.

Federal lawyers argued before the ruling that the Confederation des Syndicats Nationaux demands would put future governments in a "constitutional straitjacket" in managing the system.

The debate over how EI premiums could be used began in the 1990s, when Paul Martin, then-prime minister Jean Chretien's finance minister, brought in new EI legislation.

New rules made it more difficult for laid off workers to be eligible for benefits, but they also brought in new training programs.

Critics had argued the government was raising EI premiums to fund the new programs, while cutting benefits for those out of work.

With files from The Canadian Press

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SKite in AB
said

And as well they should be placed in a financial "strait-jacket".

Our governments have ballooned to an incomprehensible size - as a result, they have become byzantine and non-transparent (and quite unaccountable to the electorate).

Unfortunately, we keep electing politicians (from ALL stripes) who promise to DO MORE. Problem is, we keep branching out new programs and new "window-dressing", instead of focusing on a few critical areas and DELIVERING.

We, as Canadians, need to stop asking "What will you do for me?", and start asking "How are you going to do what you promise within the current fiscal framework?".


Kim Insley
said

Gosh , isn't it funny how the Liberals are the ones who tightened up the rules on receiving EI benefits and spent its money. Now the Liberals as part of their coalition want to loosen up the rules and make it easier to collect EI benefits . Seriously ...make up your mind !


Dennis
said

I t would be great if they could money back into the EI program since I believe more and more people will need it as the eceonomy keeps getting a beating.

We all pay into it in the vent we get stuck without a job. It should be there and well funded to fill that mandate.

I hope the SCC decides to have the fed gov repay at least a part of what was taken from the Ei fund.


Goldens
said

Governments have to make decessions, that is why they are called Government. Liberals spending money for a good purpose and knowing where the money went is a rare ocassion. I hope the SCC rules for the Liberal Government on this issue.

John Wilson
Bridgetown NS


swbr9001
said

It's madatory that we pay into EI but when it comes time for someone to collect, it's like pulling teeth. All the hoops you have to jump through. I have co-workers that still have not received money owed to them. All this just to have the government use EI as their piggy bank.


Doug in Dartmouth
said

If a Lawyer dipped into funds entrusted to him, he would be in trouble.
This money needs to be managed by independant trustees.
The 54billion the Government owes should be converted to G/C debt instruments (plus interest). The amount of employer/employee deductions calulated by an actuary-like process.
If in the past, however, the Government had to top up the Fund because of a shortage of money to pay premiums, than there could be a legitimate case to deduct that from the $54b.


Sean from NWO
said

This was the fundamental problem with the Liberals in the 90's and why I will never vote for them again. The built huge surpluses while the little guy suffered. They did very little for the middle class and thus Generation X was born from the fray! I am pleased that under Harper many of his original campaign promises were fulfilled and the money was given back to Canadians!


Northerner
said

WOW!
The spirit of the Liveral government keeps coming back and haunting them. This is simply another Liberal mess and there will be more to follow.
Adn you want the Liberal to form the next governement with the NDP and the BLock. How far have we gone lowered our values as a country.


Get a job! Not more benefits!
said

You have to pay your bills first! You don't start paying higher EI benefits when the country enter into a recession.

They should try to create jobs by investing in good opportunities that will be productive for the hole country.

We want to get rid of the debt, not add on to it!


Don in Vancouver
said

During the election we had promise after promise of billions of government spending. Now we know where they get these billions (right out of our wallets). We, the public, need to be a little smarter than that. As much as you may not like Mr. Harper's style, he was the only party leader that talked about spending cuts rather than new spending of money he didn't have. Time to give him a chance to see exactly what he can do for Canada in these tough times. Back off Liberal/NDP. Accept your defeat with class and act as an opposition, not a power thirsty bunch of zealots.


Andy
said

The Liberals spent it as if it were theirs to spend. EI is not a tax. The government has NO RIGHT to touch that money. It belongs to the Canadian people who are paying into the fund.

Pay it back and DON'T TOUCH!


Richard in NW Ontario
said

54 billion from the EI Fund!!!!!!!me thinks maybe our premiums for both employee and employer are too high? But this is not new news. That fund has always had a surplus, but because we as Canadians are a complacent lot and accustomed to paying more for things without question, this will continue to occur.


Kat In Alberta
said

I think it is quite funny how it was the Liberals who made it harder to collect E.I. & then used the money that had been collected for purposes other then what it was collected for. Let any repayment come from the Liberal Party Bank Accounts. Oh wait isn't that what caused all this coallition garbage. Harper wanted to tighten political party belts by takeing away there money per vote tax rebate. I say yes it is time for all Governments to be accountable. With one difference if it was a Liberal Governments Mistake let the Liberal Party pay it back & if it was a Conservative Governments Mistake let the Conservative Party pay it back.


LindaLoveless
said

So, is this where my money went when they denied my claim after 10 years at the same Company, because someone there thought that my decision to quit my job (Father died) after being treated so unfairly by the Company was not justified??Just a bunch of crooks with too much power!


David
said

Since when was the Supreme Court 'elected' to decide monetary issues?
The EI surplus should be an election or policy issue - let the parties take a stance. Maybe it could used for green energy tax incentives? Or simply refunded to the contributors?
But that is NOT for the court to decide.
If someone does not rein in the top court, they will soon be deciding all policy and probably setting tax rates too.
After all, the justices are just lawyers with a pension plan.


James
said


EI is not taxation, its insurance premiums. Thus the government took my premiums, cut my benefits and spent my money.

Someone needs to go to prison over this one.


Nick in Gatineau
said

Wait a second, I thought the conservatives said the Liberals never brought down the debt ?

Why didn't the conservatives do anything about it when they came to power ?

Since the Mulroney days, who changed the rules from UI to EI, and brought in strict rules and vague financial transaction guidelines, EI has been nightmarish at times. Moreso for the Indivudal trying to claim it. It adopted a Mob's rule type of policy which has been labeled as thievery more often than not.

I was always a supporter of the idea that EI should become part of your pension at retirement: $ 900.00 (2.25 % of $ 40,000.00) a year for 40 years = 36,000.00. There are people who will never claim it so losing it after paying it for so many years is an appaulling policy by the government. The government should give you back what you put into it, or whatever is left of it.

I agree to using it to pay down the debt but have the necessary funds somewhere else to cover such as surpluses. Just as Pension fund administrators are forced to do. By Law.


RichB Vancouver
said

It was absolutely wrong for the Liberals to take $54 billion in funds away from the workers that paid into it. Pay it back to EI...it belongs to labour where it is needed now.



Dan@KentvilleN.S.
said

Having filed for E.I. on Nov.7th, I was informed that I would hear of a decision by Dec.5th. It is now Dec.11th and I am still waiting for a decision from them.I hope one comes soon on it is going to be a very bleak christmas.


pilote
said

Use the funds to help re train people who have lost their employments but do not use it to help fund general programs for the more fortunates.
We are paying a lot for it but remember it is an insurance and we should not expect anything in return unless we need it.


Lorne
said

The monies is paid by workers and employers to provide financial relief in the event of layoffs or a downturn in the economy.
People have had too much trouble collecting benefits over the years. Why? It's their monies.
Government should be made to pay back these dollars and also make it easier to collect benefits, instead of having to sell your soul.


Wyley
said

Isn't this proof that The Liberals did everything they could including illegally taking money away from EI so they could "balance their budget". Remember that the next time you hear the Liberals boast on their balanced bugets of the past. Now we know how they did it.


Rod Reibin
said

I can't see why the government feels that E.I. surpluses belong to them and can use them as they see fit. If the cause was noble and direly needed in a certain area, then maybe they could divert some funds for that by asking and getting approval from the people that the money belongs to.
The government should keep their hands out of our cookie jar, focus on trimming the fat from their offices, and quit wasting the nation's money first. There would be plenty of money if the government were leaner.


Gerry
said

The Military have paid into this fund for years and in the end when they retire from the Military, they are not eligible for EI. They must obtain another job, work for the required period, pay the EI premiums and then they may collect EI if they qualify. A large percentage of the funds in the EI Fund belong to the Military personnel who pay into it because it's the law. Unfair, you bet!!


meb
said

aas a business man I have found it difficult to employee more poeple on the grounds of paying too much out of pockets EI & CPP...maybe the scrooges out there should reduce the EI so that it may encourage us the business people to hire?


Doug BC
said

Lots to criticize here.I agree that government has to govern.But it also has to have the "informed consent" of the citizens.
At one time,I would have agreed that using the surplus to pay down debt would not be unethical.But using it to finance other programs is almost the same as fraud.Allowing that to go on would allow a government to finance it's own programs without the transparency needed to account for the true costs.
I'm not totally offended by anyone using surpluses to lower taxes for eceryone,or to lower debt.It's not the best way to go,but we all benefit in some way.
I am,however,offended when those dollars are used to finance programs that the government wants to bring in,but can't justify the taxes needed to support them.This amounts to a fraud on the taxpayers,who are thinking they are getting something for "Free".
We cannot vote in an informed way,if costs are hidden or disguised.We have a right to know the true costs of all our social programs,and where those dollars come from.
Letting people believe these services are free is not an option.There is no "free",my friends.If you got it for "free",it just means someone else paid for it.
If we have premiums for EI,they should be used for EI.If we have a deficit reduction tax,it should be used for that.NOT to finance the pet project of any government.
Transparency is a must.As are fair taxation policies.


Larry Lefty
said

Gee, a 7-0 decision! The Liberals should blame this one on Harper too. Paul Martin was sure good with OUR money. They always have been though.


Chris Hodgson in Ontariariari-Oh!
said

This whole E.I. program is a mess. It's been mismanaged for years,there is a huge surplus in E.I. and employers are paying too high premiums.If there is a huge surplus then it only makes sense that they are charging too much,it's not surprising the liberal's tapped into it.If they were going to do anything they should have reformed it.There has been enough talk from both the liberals and the conservatives over the years on reform but it never happened.


peggy
said

The government should not only pay back the money in full, but with interest as well!!


DCI
said

I work at a resort,for five years now, and I am laid off usuually twice a year. I am laid off in early October. My EI papers are put in right away. And still,I do not receive any payment from EI until the second week of December. That is a long waiting period.
So, I can imagine how hard it is for someone to get EI in the first place. There os sure a lot of red tape...
This grand surplus of money should be given back to the people that put into it all the time. The layoffs keep coming. It makes me sad on how bad it is going to get in the future when our gov., keeps sending our jobs to other countries. Almost everything we purchase these days is made somewhere else.
Kind of sad hey...



Norm
said

The court won't say the Liberal government used the EI fund to pay down the deficit. What a surprise that a bunch of Liberal appointed judges won't find the Liberal party guilty of that one.

See why we need elected judges?


I agree with you, Nick
said

What a wonderful idea!

People like me NEVER claim any U.I. Why shouldn't we put that funds back into our Retirement Plan.

It will help ourself and it also help the Government. It's like opening up a bank account and don't expect to do any withdraw for a number of years!

But one more condition - I want the Government to pay me interest back!

Wow, I guess we are SMARTER than the Finance Minister! Do you think any LEADER will LISTEN?!

Take care, Nick. Merry Christmas to everybody!


Markie
said

There is no question about it, our EI premiums for both employee's and employers are too high.

However, we all know that Canada's debt and deficits were way out of control because face it, as Canadians we wanted more and more, so our governments gave and gave, so in large part, we are to blame as well.

So, the Libs took the money and diverted (which I don't have a problem with), however they should have told Canadians what they were doing.

Maybe now that we are in an economic downturn, they should maybe bump up the amount of Canadians can collect from EI (move it up to 65%), so that those who are being thrown out of work, left, right and center, have a little more to fall back on.

Our EI system isn't too bad, but I wish Mr. Chretien and Martin were a little more straight forward with us.


bunny
said

This comes as no surprise to me, they keep bringing up the surplus, that just means we were over taxed.Now this? some legacy boys, and it is the boys! Newsflash for the new leader, you are not my PM, nor will you be.


Sherry in Ottawa
said

I hope the Liberals backers take this into account - all those who put down the Conservatives and act as if the Liberals were so much better. With the sponsorship scandal and this decision now coming down, people should realize that although we can't trust any politician, some are better than others and all are guilty of something. Let's hope that "Iggy" will work WITH Harper to help Canadians through rocky times.


Mike
said

...And the Liberals still expect us to trust them???All of the mismanagement and outright pirating of funds from the former Grit government(s)
tells me to stay well clear of the Liberal boat regardless of who's steering it! Yikes! What next!


dna
said

I am compelled to include EI payments each month on my income, although as a principal in my own company, I would not be eligible to collect any benefits should something happen to the company. Employees fully covered. Owners up the metaphorical creek....


lynda o
said

i have to apply for sick benefits with ei,, make anyone a bet that i dont see the funds until early next year unless someone does some serious fast tracking,, i bet i jump through hoops just to get about a little over 100.oo and that is going to suck,,,,,,


nc
said

Having read some of the court decision, the SCC made the right decision.
The govt. of Jean Chretien should not have used the EI premiums for the general revenue and help pay down the debt.
They made some changes to the Unemployment Act such as allowing for retraining, wage subsidies and self employment. This was an attempt at sugar coating their intentions.
If the govt. wants to reduce debt (which they should) they better find another way. EI is an insurance policy for working people. It's not a general tax or a cash grab for the govt.


Norm A Concerned Citizen of Canada
said

This is one more reason, why Canadians are finding it difficult to support their politicians.

Until politicians embrace the fact that our electorate are finding it more and more difficult to trust - regardless of political affiliation and the "bluster" and self-righteousness coming from all parties.


Obama - President Elect, has it right. It is a time for change, not just in the infrastructure of how Parliament governs but how the people we elected in good faith to do the right thing, will govern themselves.

Do the right thing Ottawa. The time is now.



Mike Kirkland Québec
said

If you're looking for a hotbed of "socialists and separatists" look no further than the CSN (Confédération des syndicats nationaux). I'm suprised they didn't ask the court to send them the $54 billion to finance the next referendum. All they really care about is discrediting the federal government.


LHB in Montreal
said

Well well well! The Supreme Court of Canada's decison pertaining to EI is another flagrant display of disrespect and disregard for the taxpayers by the Chretien-Martin government.

Finally it comes to light that it was not good government that brought about a surplus but over taxation through unduly high EI premiums. How dare they now complain about the
Conservative government
for returning it to Canadians through TAX CUTS that stimulate the economy as well as paying down the Deficit for our children.
What hypocracy!!!!!
And now, the Liberals want the keys to the purse again through a Colation with the
the spendstriff SOCIALISTS.

GIVE CANADIANS A BREAK PLEASE................



Mike in Colborne
said

The only thing I can say is to add this to the list of reasons not to vote for the Liberals. Otherwise it really doesn't matter, nobody will go to jail and I won't get my money back. Nor will anyone else. Greece had a riot for less...


Brian O
said

If they didn't get the cash from EI, they would have raised taxes.Either way they would get your money.


Jon in Ottawa
said

I guess those budgets were not so Balanced after all. Its not surprising the Liberals are famous for over Taxing, Creating more High payed government jobs with more benifits,personal days,compensation, early retirement and excessive severance packages at the expense of us hard working Canadians in the Private sector. Government has become to big,to greedy ,and inefficient to make us competitive with the rest of the world. Thanks Unions you are doing a great job at ruining this country.


M. Cameron
said

How predictable: Conservative supporters jump on the anti-Liberal bandwagon while ignoring the fact that this continued beyond the time they were in office. The Conservatives are as much to blame, because they should have known better, too, but they did not.


RS in LaSalle, QC
said

Let me guess, they'll still be Liberal supporters in Canada despite this.... The Liberals are a joke!


Julius
said

EI is a ridiculous program. I remember once when a work contract I was on ended and I was deemed ineligible to receive benefits, despite having paid into the program since I was 15. The bottom line is that we have billions of dollars being pumped into a program that is supposed to help people, and instead it gets mishandled and misappropriated. Maybe it shouldn't be collected anymore.

Also - since the Liberals collected this money illegally, do we get it back?


Richard L. Provencher
said

This is another example how the Liberals spend our money and then claim how great they were at balancing the budget. And then people still consider them to be the natural governing party. Wake up voters and give Mr. Harper a majority the next time, so he do much more than with just a minority government.


Brad from Canada
said

No surprise here. The government has been taking our insurance payments for years and using it for something other than is was intended for while making it harder for the people and businesses who payed it to even collect! The taxpayer shafted yet again by government! I was once an employer and an employee at the same time (just trying to make a living). I asked if I got layed off would I be able to collect and was told no because I had my own business also. I said fine so I don't have to pay EI then? They said no I had to pay because the job was insured not the individual. Paying for something I could never have anyways sounds like extortion to me! What is wrong with our government anyways? Oh wait they just want us to hand over all our money to them!


Just My Opinion.
said

I know I'm swimming against the flow here BUT...

I thought that my wife was treated very fairly when she was laid-off from her old job and went to ask for financial assistance so that she could return to college to become a certified health care aide. EI paid for 1/2 the books and all the tuition, a bus pass, plus gave her a living allowance on top of that.

If anyone is to repay the 54 Billion - they can begin by taking 1/2 of the funds paid to the Liberials for each vote they received.

Now thats more than fair as they were the ones who illegally diverted the funds in the first place.


Keith Grills
said

in 2004/2005 I was on EI Sick benifits for 15 weeks,In January of 2005 I no longer qualified.I went to the EI office still sick sat there for 2 hours they told me that my benifits would be extended...a week later I got a letter I was cut off..nothing untill May then I went on regular benifits.didn't collect for 5 months but my regular benifits only good untill Sept 2005.was 1 year when I started my sick benifits.What about the 5 months where I didn't collect nothing.O well I continued to collect after I went back to work to make my point.now they are making me pay all the money I collected including my sick benifits back.I knew I did wrong but no one cared that I almost lost everything I had because of those 5 months I couldn't collect anything


Darlene in Halifax
said

"...the Liberal cabinet set EI rates directly without the authorization from Parliament and the employment insurance commission, a violation of the principle of no taxation without representation."

Wow, hard to believe the Liberals would do something without the necessary approval of voters (in this case, Parliament). And here I thought it was isolated that they tried to "appoint" a coalition government. Then again, they've now "appointed" a new leader.

And I voted for them. No longer.


Patricia
said

I am so disappointed and angered by politicians of ALL stripes. There just does not seem to be an honest political party in Ottawa. Backstabbing, power mongering,lying, cheating,fighting, name calling, etc. they all are cut from the same bolt of cloth. It seems that psychopathology is one of the main characteristics a politician must posses to be a member of ANY of the political parties and to survive in office. How many more dishonest stories are we going to have to put with? Shame on them all, everyone of them. None is different from the other.


Zhimmy
said

Knowing that this is not going to be popular.

I am going to defend this.

Think how we all have benefitted from a reduced national debt today. Because of the Conservatives you are getting money back in tax breaks!


Ravi
said

EI should be an independent entity, crown coporation with one rule for all working canadians. EI money should not used in the general revenue to balance the budget- Proud achievement of Liberal.


Anthony
said

EI is a premium paid by working people. It should have been used to pay benefits to those who found
themselves unemployed, and also to those, who as an example worked part-time !
Government simply used it to
pay for everything else, including their unbridled waste. Imagine, what will happen when this coalition takes over.


Jason in Kelowna
said

Since I'm now on EI, can I get the rest of my money back?


BMN
said

An unfortunate development, to say the least.

If this was, in fact, crucial in developing surpluses (though I doubt it played THAT big of a role, look back on the surpluses and do the math), then Canadians have to collectively discuss how the heck we can continue to run surpluses.

Most Conservative supporters hate any tax and bristle the moment you utter the word.

Most Liberal supporters don't want to cut back on programs Conservative supporters would have the government do away with.

People of all stripes are loathe to admit that mistakes have been made on ALL fronts and there's still a lot of financial cleanup to do.

We CANNOT lapse back into deficit. It's a slippery slope that will devalue Canada's dollar, leading to a decrease in purchasing power, a perpetual risk of inflation and lead to an era where we'll have to tighten our belts ten times worse than we ever had to in the 1990s.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

The problem with stories like this "old shell" game, is that noone faces a penalty except the people that paid EI. If ever there was a reason to pay attention to politics, this is it. It appears the Liberals got away with it again. They always say they are going to do this or that and then do a 360. Trust them, never again. They enjoy spending our money and tell us they care at the same time. What a crock! Canadians need to be more diligent.


DWR
said

That is very interesting, but what about the millions of dollars that the government took from the pension fund of the RCMP and the Military. No one seems to do or say any thing about that.
IS THAT NOT ILLEGAL AS WELL


Cindy
said

The government took our money and spent it else where, when people that were laid off had a most difficult time to live...hmmm imagine that!

Sad fact is this is nothing new.

But now that a court has determined that this was illegal...I'll take my share of the money they stole before Christmas and with interest!!!


sudsy
said

the government had no right to divert any money. that money belongs to the working public and their employers.


Tim from Calgary
said

Again, let's make it clear. It was the Liberal government that started using EI funds for ordinary expenses. They used it to balance the budget and thus the EI detection became a tax instead of a rainy day fund for workers. Blaming the current Conservative government has nothing to do with it as it was the Liberals who started it and continued to use EI funds.


Pat
said

I agree.. the EI money is off limits to any other department of the government other than the EI! I collected EI ONCE in my whole life of working and then I had to pay most of it back at the end of the year because they didn't take taxes off! what a bunch of thieves... that was in the Liberal's day, by the way!



Annoyed Worker
said

I tottally agree with the pay us back what we put in. in the military it is actually against the law for us to recieve EI after leaving the forces.
So here i pay in it for 23 years, now i am being kicked out for medical reasons yet, I cannot get a cent out of the years i put into EI.
At least they did put it to good use and pay down the dept. As for you people who use EI as a wage while your job is seasonal. Heres a thought get another job and stop skiving off of us workers.


Shirlee - SK
said

Isn't it ironic, if a soul has to apply for EI, you are automatically put on trial. (Feel like you've done something bad) they penialize you, EI for good cause should be immediate not this stupid 6 week waiting period. Stop the madness. And yes that money should be repaid and yes prison time for theft.


Veteran
said

I have very little to say on this particular ruling. I was obliged to pay into the program & served for over a quarter century. Now, I'm entitled to a pension, and will never be eligible to collect EI. In the case of military members, it's not an insurance program it is just another tax. Im OK with that, I would rather call it what it is just another tax.


Rob in Alberta
said

And yet another black eye for the Liberal Party while in power...do we really want it again??

I understand a "mistake" here and there, however, added to the list of questionable decisions (gun registry cost for example) already public by the Liberal Party while in office I have to wonder what they would do next time we give them power.

It would appear the Liberal party forgot to pay some lawyers to give them legal advice in order to avoid this kind of "error". They've been out of power now for how long and we are still hearing about more "missteps" 3 years later?? YIKES.


Judith Colter
said

The whole EI program needs to be revamped. My husband has a brain injury and is on long-term disability (LTD) from his job with the Alberta government. Half of his monthly income comes from CPP disability benefits. The other half comes from the Alberta government via an insurance plan. Individuals on CPP disability do not pay EI premiums. But, the $ from the AB government is considered a “wage loss replacement plan” and EI premiums must be paid. Both the federal and the provincial governments agree that this is wrong but neither is willing to correct the problem. We’re not talking about just one individual here. All AB government employees on (LTDI) who receive CPP disability MUST pay EI premiums. This is particularly galling when there is such a huge surplus in the EI fund, the money is considered general revenue, and the government can spend it as it pleases. “Stealing” from the sick...SHAMEFUL!


Steve Daly, Mississauga
said

I can't comprehend this decision...

If I collect monies illegally, it would seem to me that ANYTHING I subsequently do with that money is illegal.

How can I legally dispose of something that I had no legal right to in the first place?


Fed up with Libs
said

People, and what is it that you want to support in the LIberal party? I don't understand. To me, it's clear that they are crooked and have been for years. Open up your eyes and see how good we have it right now! I cannot believe this, well, actually, yes I can, but I am even MORE of a Conservative supporter now, until they do something wrong in my eyes.


GARY
said

Well isn't this a big surprise the Liberals broke the law AGAIN!!!!..What a bunch of hypocrites and all you Liberal supporters too ughh! make me sick. Did we forget the sponsorship scandal. Did we forget the gun legislation maybe we should investigate that one, lets not forget Jayne Stewart oh she is prize too and to think this same party critizes everything a Minority Harper government does talk about arrogance and gull. When you are a minority there is no satisfying any one party they will always whine. I know one thing the Liberals are liers, cheaters, lawbreakers and after this whole three stooges coalition scam they should hang there heads in disgust ...ALSO THEY SHOULD APPOLGIZE TO ALL CANADIANS ONCE AGAIN but I am sure they will get the spin doctor's on this one right away so to pull the wool over their beloved supporters..who of course can't see or hear. I would be embarrassed to support this party.


Jamie D
said

Ha too funny! It appears that the folks on this thread are dissatisfied that the Liberals took money that was sitting idle, and instead of playing the stock market with it, decided they were going to do something in the National interest. I also remember a few years ago that people were mad at the Liberals for taking public money, and secretly sponsoring ad compaigns to keep Quebec from separating. I also see the people on other threads at this website calling Quebecers 'Seperatists'. And egging them on to seperate. Are you people for real? Do you just get on these boards to be contrary, and try to toe some party line that doesn't even exist. The PM doesn't even know what is going on at this moment as he is still under the Governor General's apron string. We sure could use Pariliament to debate some of the issues that are going on. Instead we have a circus. Liberals, you know that you are the central party, and that the Conservatives like to think they are the 'Right'. Well, given the modern spectrum the Conservatives are really slightly-right-Liberals, that were kicked out of the Liberal party for being such Jackasses. So they went off, and dreamed up some issues they could defend (Justice & Military are the easy targets). Now they can govern so long as there is a war, or high crime. Get some idea's righties that all Canadians see as issues, and not just the X% of the farmers/RigPigs in Sask/AB. Really, Sask has some of the largest diamond fields in the world, but is too clueless to get them into production. Amateurs at their finest.


Anita-Georgetown
said

What gives the government the right to divert our EI monies. What is the point of Canadian paying it when it just goes to debt and nothing will happen to stop it again. I think we should have the right to not pay EI and collect that money in our pay check.


Jason
said

So many cons outraged that a program they don't believe in doesn't pay out.

They can never missed an opportunity to just attack, attack, and attack. People are frankly getting quite tired of the constant complaining by conservatives. Do you only have the maturity of a five year old? What happened to you people? Is it something we should know about? Chemical exposure? Mercury in the environment? Poor parenting? Its really quite something for a normal perosn to see. Like undisciplined spolied children. Grow up. The world is actually a quite beautiful place to live in if you don't buy into fearmongering or pay attention to conservative mouthpieces. You conservatives make it seem like Al Qaeda with the aid of opposition political parties are lurking around every corner waiting to ruff up some old lady. Seriously people, lighten up.


Todd
said

Well at least they paid down the debt. That's being responsible even if a little underhanded. I'd be a lot more upset if they channeled the money into a new program to gain votes or play regional favourites.

With recession I'd like to see the government even the playing field across the country so unemployed workers had equal access to funds regardless of where they live, not the way they do it now with 50 or separate regions and different standards for qualifications.


Nick in Gatineau
said

I do not agree with elected senators or elected supreme court judges.

We are not the USA.

Furthermore, look at the politicians we have !!! Do you want the same garbage in the Senate or in the Supreme Court ?

The Senate is for the friends of the PM. I don't like it but it is his right.

The Senate does good things -much more than the House at times.

I would like to see younger members (judges from all sectors) who do not have party affiliations so that it truly does what it is supposed to do. No more friends, no more snake-oil salesmen.

I'd also like to see a Supreme Court membership grow and have the capacity to deal with Urgent issues within 48 hours. Possibly create committees to rule on provincial-federal (1 Province only versus the Federal) constitutional arguments or even on the economy if certain situations of urgency or even emergency arise.


Sherry SK
said

I agree with James.
EI (used to be unemployment insurance, which meant you received back premiums when you were unemployed - insurance in case you were unemployed) Now its called Employment Insurance, so that makes it.... what?


Diane from London
said

In my opinion this would be the same thing as a company spending the employees insurance contributions on operating expenses.

I think the whole E.I. program is in serious need of reorganization. 40% of the people who are forced to pay into the system are never allowed to collect. It is anything but fair. Big Businesses laid off workers automatically get their benefits while the person working for small business gets the Spanish Inquisition and pressured to find work much more than an large business where there is an expectation of being recalled to back to work.

Now everyone needs E.I. and the Liberal Government took all of the surplus so they could look fiscally responsible. Go figure!

"Sigh"


Disappointed with the EI nightmare
said

I had to use the system 2x in my life. The first one was for 3 months. The next one was for 10 months. It was a difficult experience for me. What shocked me the most was the fact that even though I had paid in the system for about 35 years, I had to pay a large amount of the money that I received back!!! It made it very difficult for me to get back on my feet and pretty well reduced my savings to zip and put me into considerable dept. How is this a good system that helps me get through difficult times? I would have been better going on welfare.


JeannieM Quinte
said

The Supreme Court of Canada ruling that the Government had a right to use EI funds as they saw fit is just another fine example of the difference between legality and justice.

Remember that for every buck you paid from your paycheck, your employer paid another $1.40. Unnecessarily high payroll taxes, like EI, CPP etc. are a huge disincentive to business and job creation. So hiking EI costs to employers ensures more people need EI.


Dustin in Van
said

I don’t really get this, we have to pay in to EI, we don’t get a choice, and the money is supposed to be there for if you lose your job. but 9 times out of 10 the government screws you out of that money and makes it so hard for you to get it that by the time you actually can get it you have another job or your bankrupt. I thought that this thing was supposed to be like an insurance policy. No one should be able to just go and spend that money, it is supposed to be your money!

In my whole life I have never used the system and if this is what they are going to do with the money I pay in to it I want it back, all of it! I pay taxes to cover the debt and the money that has been earmarked to a social program should not ever be used for what it was never intended for! With the economy the way it is now I think that every one of us could use the money that we have paid in to the EI program for all these years and if we had it all right now sitting in a bank account waiting for us it sounds like it would be in better hands than in the hands of our "Honorable Government Officials".
(The lot of them should be lynched for this)



Andrea
said

This is heartbreaking news to Canadians.People are having a hard time trusting the 2 bigger parties due to past wrongdoings.

Instead of the political parties rebuilding their brand names they should be focusing on implementing new ethical policies to stop these wrongdoings from happening.




Keith in Brampton
said

From a quick scan of the comments posted, a lot of people don't really understand what the SCC has said.

Basically, for three years, the Feds technically had no right to collect EI payments because they forgot to dot some i's and cross some t's in the changes they made to the legislation.

The main argument - opposing the government's paying down the national debt with EI premiums - was struck down; this use of EI funds was OK.

So, the question is: what is to be done about the monies collected for the three years in question?

Strictly speaking, it should be refunded. But where does the government get the money to refund to us? From OUR pockets. So what would be the point?

The money collected was used in the exact same ay as it would have been had the Feds gotten the language right when they changed the law. So while it was a technical screw-up, from what I read here there is no evidence of intent break the law, and nothing done untowards with the money.

The Federal bureaucrats responsible for drafting the law should probably be taken to task for screwing up the wording. But to go beyond that to refund us only to have the government then pass a new law to claw it all back (the money is long spent; it's not like it's lying around somewhere waiting to be handed out) would be a waste of all our money - and would divert the government's attention at a time when we need them focussing long and hard on how to help us get through this global recession with as little pain as possible.


PrairieDog- Dean R.
said

TO all who are actually trying to justify the Liberals doing this. Let me just say. This is taxation without representation. That is against the Constitution of Canada. No matter how you try to say that this is ok. It is a criminal offence in the highest office in the land. Theft by the Liberal government, of the citizens of Canada. Period! Please do not insult the intelligence of the Canadian people. It will only serve to make the foolish look even more foolish.


Fraser
said

So let me get this straight……..again the liberals collected too much from the tax payers via E.I. contributions made it harder to collect said "employment insurance" took the overstuffed E.I. bank account transferred the funds to pay down the deficit and made it look like they were really doing something by governing well? What genius…………


Maria in PEI
said

So, the deficit reduction of the Liberals and their boasting of having surpluses didn't boil down to super-duper money management skills. Rather, we the taxpayers paid the debt incurred by an overspending government. So, the Liberals should get off their high horse when they criticize the Conservatives for getting rid of the surplus. They gave us a break in the GST so at least they're making a move to stop the gauging of the average Canadian worker.


Paul B - Vancouver
said

Asking the government to repay it now would be a futile excercise. I say fine the Liberal Party of Canada millions of dollars to make sure they dont try stealing from Canadians ever again!


Easterly Bob
said

I don't see what the problem is here. The court agreed to used the funds to pay down the debt. What is at issue is not getting Parliament to authorize the increase in rates. According to our current Prime Minister, the Opposition should have cooperated and rubber stamped what was done. Or is there a different standard when Harper isn't Prime Minister? Besides, if they have to pay back $54 B from where do you think the money will come?


Nick in Gatineau
said

This is a prime example of what happens with majorities.

A party can do whatever it wants and does not have to answer to Canadians for 4 to 5 years. Once you put that 'X', you're done.

In minority governments, you still can do what you want knowing that the opposition will not contest anything unless they form a coalition.

It just ain't pretty.

Whatever way you look at it.


Todd Hagar
said

This is an outrage. In times of need when you turn to an insurance policy program to help you buy time or help you heal or recover from unforseen events - the policy in turns just say's thanks you stupid bastard but we have nothing for you here. Now we found out that the government has been feeding off the working class as a safe little tax haven and screwing the ones in need. No wonder Canada is turning into a third world country.


PO'd in London
said

It just suddenly dawned on me,---we have 4 more political parties in our political system than in Russia and in Cuba,---but at least you know what is going to happen and just like Canada,---there is nothing you can do about it!
When you lie and steal from the government ,you go to jail or get fined to the bone,--but when the government lies and steals from us, we whine and have hissy fits which changes nothing and at election time,not many with long term memory show up to vote or actively get involved.



Glenn from Halifax
said

Realizing that the current Liberal leader was not in charge during this time, nor were they in a "coalition" with the NDP. History has a habit of repeating itself, these are not the type of people that should be running the country


korie from the western provinces
said

how corrupt can you get?

for all those who pay into the system, you know how hard it is to get anything out, and what you do get out is not enough to live on for the time that you need to live on it!

this reinforces the fact that the government is failing, it started a long time ago and the leadership is only getting worse! it is all about a party being in power and no one is being held accountable. i am against the coalition and i am against the tories being in power. this is showing us why!

are we in a recession??? if we are it looks like it is our governments' fault for leading us there! do the jobs that you are elected to do, collect the taxes (yes ontario, you need to pay all your taxes too!) get your nose out of the middle east (we have our own oil to worry about) and stop acting like a bunch of 5 year olds fighting over a toy...my country is not your toy!


Mark M
said

SO...When can I expect my rebate check for what I was OVERCHARGED and never used EI payments?


l.R. From ottawa
said

Here is another stunt that helped contrbute to the fund.
Under the ei act only an insurance officer can disqualify. The government would harass clerks who were not officers to disqualify clients. Under the legislation, this was also not legal.


Sandra
said

The Liberals want the people to vote for them again so they can lead the country the right way.
Yea sure.
Liberals don't hold your breath.


dan ottawa
said

Essentially, If you look at the obvious, employment insurance has created a fraud by this action. I ask you, why has the R.C.M.P. not
been brought in to look at this, I believe this is criminal in nature and this
should be dealt with at the criminal level.


Mike
said

Imagine if you were a military member, paying into this fund with no hope of ever collecting from it. This just makes it that much harder to swallow. Remember too, that a few years back, Paul Martin also took millions from the military and RCMP pension funds to "balance the budget" while gathering in a huge budget surplus. Now military members are paying increased pension premiums to make up for forecasted shortfalls in the pension plan. This is what happens when we let government manage huge funds that exist on paper. It'll always be there is the party line, but somewhere there is a shortfall which nearly always falls to the worker to make up. Shame on Mr Martin and Mr Chretien too.


Dan
said

The liberals have another scandal from the past to contend with. Iggy, are you sure you want to topple the goverment ?

There are now more liberal scandals than I have fingers. I wonder what kind of backdoor deals were made when they formed the coalition. If your a liberal at heart you have to ask the question " Are there any decent liberal MP's left ?"

To the people of Canada that don't like Harper, you may not like Him but he's done more for Canada in three years than the Liberals did since Trudeau.

I'm actually hoping that they topple Harpers Goverment because you know that the Govenor General will have no choice but to call for an election( Sorry coalition people but with the amount of negative talk that the coalition concept has received it would be doubtful that the govenor general would even consider it as an option )

Now when someone is having a problem in trying to apply or receive EI just remind them that it was the liberals who made it all happen.


Deb O
said

This is a joke my husband has been on UI for a heart attack he got maybe 60% of his wage and only for 15 weeks (mat leave you get a year). He has never in 40 years of paying into UI claim before. This money is for the people of Canada.
Deb O


Gilles
said

Will I receive a refund for my EI contributions between 2002, 2003 and 2005? With interest, please?

I won't hold my breath and neither should anyone!!!

Awful!


Jay Thordarson
said

The government makes every person's life miserable when it comes to collecting Employment Insurance. They make you wait for your money. I was nearly homeless because of them. I know I am not the only person who has lived this. It can take up to 4-6 weeks to get EI AFTER your last pay cheque.

I have ZERO respect for the government and their policies surrounding EI. They do nothing for the people who pay into EI. The only thing they really do is make peoples lives miserable.

In fact, I encourage every individual to voice their experiences with EI to their local MP. The more heat that gets put on the government, the more chance they will do something about the problem.

It is sad to think that we contribute to a fund that is not readily accessible to those who need it. I compare this to having money in the bank but the bank telling you that you cannot have it for several weeks.

Either way, the Canadian government has proven that they do not care about everyday individual Canadians. They all lie and they all steal from the Canadian taxpayers.


Chris Ont
said

Well, how's that for 12 billion a year surplus. Wonder how they did that, on the backs of employers, and to a lesser extent the employee's. Should be charged with fraud. But no charges were ever laid for anything.


Dan
said

So if I have this straight. The Liberals chocked the EI rules, collected way too much money because of it, then payed down the debt, then stood on a box telling everybody that they have paid down the debt...
However, did not mention in their grand standing that they did it on the backs of unemployed workers. Then lost power, handed the EI mess of to the conservatives, now are yelling, TAKE DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, because the conservatives are not loosening the EI rules that the Liberals chocked in the first place. And the Liberals are saying that the conservatives are bad? Really.


Effie Scott
said

I think the Liberals should be made to pay this back to the EI - maybe out of their own personal pockets - with interest.

Not fair to the reigning Conservatives to have to wreck their budget plans and go into the red. (red = in debt, right?)




KellyinFreddy
said

I worked for over 10 years bringing in a steady paycheque and paying my taxes accordingly. Then, when my company shipped my job oversees I found myself without employment and had to go to EI - I was told that I was a candidate for upgrade trianing - I was excited until I found out there was a whole horse and pony show I had to put on to actually be considered a "candidate" I was made to feel that I had to "prove" that I needed training even though my worker said it was obvious. As it turns out, thankfully I found another job without relying on EI and used up my entire severance doing so. It was a humiliating experience and I was treated like I was less than human because I lost a job, however legitimate that was. Now, to read how this whole EI was handled, I'm sick. I wish I didn't have to pay into this program because when I needed it, it wasn't there for me.


Bill from Banff
said

As you can see how the EI Remittance is done then no wonder we are so confused with HOW the money is being used and WHERE is it going to be used. Your employer opens up a payroll account and despoit dirty money including your federal and provincial tax into that account and some one is gona laundrying it for you.

Is it tax or is it really a premium?


LBA Ottawa
said

To me, this is an act of fraud. I do not understand why the R.C.M.P were not called in to investigate this one. Also during this same period, the government had clerks disqualifying people when it was not legal for them to do this. The act
stated that only an officer could do this. Clerks were threatened with their jobs if they didn't do these disqualifications.


Diane. Oakville
said

I suggest we fire the lot of them (politicians, that is) and go out into the street and pick at random a few hundred people to form a new parliament. We'd get more sense and a lot more honesty.


Jim McB
said

I notice with some amusement that today's poll asks if Ottawa was correct in using EI to pay the defecit rather than the "Liberals". Ottawa technically did not use the money the Liberals did because only their cabinet approved it! Therein lies the problem in the case.

Is this misappropriation of billions considered a scandal? I think if Mr Harper was involved we would see a bit of that sentiment bubble up from the hoard of left wing supporters that reside on these boards :)




Jonathan - Toronto
said

The only thing "shocking" about this decision is the shock being expressed on this site by Canadians. At the time the EI fund was being raided, the Conservatives/Alliance screamed blue murder. But they couldn't get any media attention to bring this story to light. Sound familiar? How about ad-scam, the firearms registry, HRDC-gate, Shawini-gate, the stripping of health-care funding, stripper-gate, the raping of our armed forces funding (god, my fingers are getting sore). Even as recent as the last federal election, reporters tripped over themselves to credit Chretien and Martin as "sound financial/economy managers". People, it's no secret the Liberals lied, cheated, and stole, all in a bid to maintain "ownership" of 24-Sussex. That's what it's all about to Liberals. And now they feel they have the god-given right to overturn the October election results to return to government. Canadians, particularly Ontarians, Quebeccers, and Maritimers better wake up, and stop voting like trained seals, or we're doomed to continue patterns of the past.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".


one pissed off voter
said

Just more proof that a liberal led coalition is a bad Idea. Your EI payments will go up in order to pay for all those stimulas packages that their going to hand out. But don't you worry it'll be you grand kid's great grandchildren's problem in the end.


Shaun Tapper
said

I am a contributer to the EI program without choice in the matter. I am told when and how much. If I had to go and file to get access to the benfits I have paid for, I would be treated as if I were somehow inferior in some way.
This is evidenced by the posts of the people here who have to wait 4-8 weeks for a drible of money, in an economy where a vast majority of people are as little as two paychecks away from bankruptcy.
This system has to be retooled so that it can do the job required of it, to help a person keep some food on the table and a roof over there heads till they can get back to work in a real job.
Another unaccountable(and none of them realy are)crown corporation to manage the program isn't the answer either. Nonprofit means they must spend everything, not be efficent and the political gorgeing in that trough would be to disgusting to see.
What we need is a new two tiered system. First step, everyone pays in for a predetermined lenght of time, say ten years. Step two, it now is used to buy federal or provincal bonds that are locked in untill you are either unemployed or retired.



brenda
said

So the Liberals have kept gloating about the huge surplus that the Conservatives inherited, and now we see where it came from..stolen from the taxpayers EI fund, which was just another backhanded tax grab...and what became of the whole 60 billion dollars in those three years???

LIberals had been living the life of Riley off of us. We finally woke up! Go Conservative. PM Harper may have to change his own rules once in awhile, but it's ALWAYS for the good of the people!


robertlahaie
said

Peter Van Loan, Feb. 2005, House of Commons Subcommittee on EI Funds: "The Conservative Party believes that the government needs to be held accountable for the cumulative balance in the Employment Insurance account... We believe that the slate must not be wiped clean. It is important to all contributors that
the government be held accountable. The "national surplus" (now $46 billion) has been tracked for a reason - that is to recognize what contributors have paid into Employment Insurance.
The Conservative Party believes that this surplus is the property of those who have made the contributions to Employment Insurance - the workers and employers of Canada."


also a northener
said

To Northerner.
The spirit of the Liberal Govt.? You obviously voted PC. A Northerner voting for a Govt. that stuck it to our forestry sector just so Alberta could get our skilled trades men. Let the US keep 4 billion of the 5 billion they stole from us. The left over 1 billion was to go to the forestry sector to help rebuild. What ever happened to that money we will never know. There is so much corruption in all parties and levels of Govt. I don't know why anyone bothers voting at all. WHATS THE POINT. They are all crooks. I Doesn't matter who you vote for.


Mary in Calgary
said

Now I see how the Liberals posted a surplus. They took from Peter to pay Paul. It does, however, look Grinch-like and downright feudal that they also tightened EI requirements on people in employment crisis, while at the same time these huge EI reserves were sitting there. I'm not sure, however, that I have a problem with applying funds to another area if the EI is overfunded, but other critical areas are experiencing a shortfall. This serves to bring light to a social administrative area that needs to be thought out and ethically regulated. Setting up a Crown corporation sounds like a very good idea.


Dave in Cold Lake
said

I just love to hear how the Liberals “Balanced the budget” Let’s take a closer look at this: 1) they cut transfer payments to the provinces decimating the healthcare system. 2) They transferred 40 billion from the Military/Public service pension fund into general revenues. 3) They decimated the military with a 40% manning cut “Why prepare for a war we’ll never fight” Martin said. 4) As we already know they took 50 billion from the EI fund. So every election they waved billions in the air and announced endless social programs, all to be “Phased in” over the next decade or at least long enough to be forgotten and the money never delivered. The Liberals DID NOT Balance the budget, WE TAXPAYERS did. I personally understand the need and purpose of tax, but I just wish there would be some honesty in the how, why, and where it is collected and spent. This is something I’ve “Never” seen from the Liberals nor do I suspect I ever will.


W in Sk
said

One More Reason to Give Harper the Majority he Deserves !


Seth
said

Are criminal charges going to filed against those involved?


dwg
said

Well, I always wondered how Martin managed those huge surpluses. Right out of our back pockets. They were so proud of it, they are still bragging about it. Now the truth is out ! I bet we won't here There retoric about those surpluses now !


HV Edmonton
said

The Liberals paternalistic attitude towards Canadians evidenced by there continual claim that only Liberals represent "Canadian values" rings hollow. My values do not condone the type of mentality that would allow the corruption(HRDC,Adscam,Shawinigate,EI funding fraud),divisive policies (National Energy Program,ill conceived coalitions,F18 fighter maintenance contracts)to happen. If this shameful record represents Canadian values then I am sadly disenfranchised within my own country.


Scott O'Brien - clenching butt cheeks in Ottawa
said

"...the Liberal cabinet set EI rates directly WITHOUT THE AUTHORIZATION from Parliament and the employment insurance commission, a VIOLATION of the principle of no taxation without representation."

Do we really want these crooks anywhere close to power in this country? If you're voting Liberal you're voting to be bent over and f$#@ed in the a$$ over and over and over again! The NDP is just the lube facilitating the Liberal "governing style".


David in Victoria
said

"That's when the Liberal cabinet set EI rates directly without the authorization from Parliament and the employment insurance commission, a violation of the principle of no taxation without representation."

At least the Liberals have been consistent in their predisposition; the latest elevation of Ignatieff as Lib-leader without voter representation is entirely consistent with the Liberal hubris, as they do what they want now and try to get out of paying for it later. Come to think of it, that sounds remarkably like AdScam; and when do you think they will pay us back for that one?


Meed Thomson
said

It had to be used for something and not just left there. Otherwise EI would've been too rich and made benefits too high to the poor who do not know better on how to spend money that the elites seem to know how to manage "That's a joke like subprime was".
Is Chretien or somebody in the liberals going to do time for this or is the conservatives?


Cambob
said

Perhaps the police are busy. Perhaps most are unaware and preoccupied with Christmas shopping pleasures. Perhaps it will only take a small group of concerned citizens to go to Jean Cretien and respectfully take him into custody. All comforts and dignity afforded to a man of his status. I'm sure there is a nice quiet place where justice can be served without a media circus.


Jodi
said

I like Nick's idea of having ones unused EI money converted into a pension plan. I work in Health Care so my job is secure and unless I am injured I will not be using my EI contributions. Every year I pay the maximum premiums and that is money that I will never see again. If I were to have my unused EI money converted into a pension plan, it would make retirement affordable. Even though I have a decent paying job, we still live pay check to pay check and there is nothing left over for pensions savings. If I knew that money was going to come back to me it would be a huge help, or even have it converted to a college fund for my children. Now to hear where the money has gone makes me sick. They don't take the insurance premiums I my for my vehicle, so why for my EI????


John
said

So once again we have what the liberal government did to the workers of this country,They cut your UI payments and stole the monies to pay down the debit. This was the workers monies not the government so for the thousands of laid of wokers that do not get the full UI benefits just remember what the low down liberals do for the working man in this country. All this credit goes to that der man from shawinnigan Qc when he was prime minister of Canada, was that what put the chip on his shoulder?


A Disappointed Canadian
said

This is yet another situation where a government of the day takes advantage of its citizens and tried to come accross as doing something good and right. It is also another situation where a Liberal government was involved in ILLEGAL activities.

TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE!


P.B. Ontario
said

The real point of this story is the Liberal's would have actually had an accumulated Deficit of $27 billion for those three years if not for the E.I. fund having a surplus they could take money $54 billion from.


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