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Date: Thu. Dec. 11 2008 11:31 AM ET
The Supreme Court of Canada says that Ottawa illegally collected employment insurance contributions for three years under the former Liberal government.
The court, though, rejected union claims that Ottawa diverted money from deliberately-over-inflated EI surpluses to balance the federal budget and fund programs.
In a 7-0 decision, the court ruled EI premiums were inappropriately collected between 2002, 2003, and 2005. That's when the Liberal cabinet set EI rates directly without the authorization from Parliament and the employment insurance commission, a violation of the principle of no taxation without representation.
"This means that employment insurance premiums were collected unlawfully, without the necessary legislative authorization," Justice Louis LeBel wrote in the decision.
Canada's highest court ruled, however, that the federal government was within its rights to divert EI contributions to pay down the deficit from 1996-2001.
It also noted that the court's declaration would be suspended for a period of 12 months to allow the government to respond.
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Read the full text of the court's ruling by clicking on the right-hand link
A Quebec labour union first raised the issue, claiming that Jean Chretien's Liberal government diverted $54 billion from unemployment insurance contributions made by employers and their workers.
The Confederation des Syndicats Nationaux claimed the government was using the money unconstitutionally to balance the budget. Labour leaders demanded that the Ottawa take the money out of general revenues and return the money to the EI program.
The Canadian Labour Congress wanted the money to:
- boost EI's future benefits
- or offset future increases in EI premiums
Before the ruling, the governing Conservative government had not agreed to return the $54 billion diverted from the EI fund. But Ottawa had said it would set up an independent crown corporation to run the program on a break-even basis.
Federal lawyers argued before the ruling that the Confederation des Syndicats Nationaux demands would put future governments in a "constitutional straitjacket" in managing the system.
The debate over how EI premiums could be used began in the 1990s, when Paul Martin, then-prime minister Jean Chretien's finance minister, brought in new EI legislation.
New rules made it more difficult for laid off workers to be eligible for benefits, but they also brought in new training programs.
Critics had argued the government was raising EI premiums to fund the new programs, while cutting benefits for those out of work.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.



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SKite in AB
said
Our governments have ballooned to an incomprehensible size - as a result, they have become byzantine and non-transparent (and quite unaccountable to the electorate).
Unfortunately, we keep electing politicians (from ALL stripes) who promise to DO MORE. Problem is, we keep branching out new programs and new "window-dressing", instead of focusing on a few critical areas and DELIVERING.
We, as Canadians, need to stop asking "What will you do for me?", and start asking "How are you going to do what you promise within the current fiscal framework?".
Kim Insley
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Dennis
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We all pay into it in the vent we get stuck without a job. It should be there and well funded to fill that mandate.
I hope the SCC decides to have the fed gov repay at least a part of what was taken from the Ei fund.
Goldens
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John Wilson
Bridgetown NS
swbr9001
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Doug in Dartmouth
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This money needs to be managed by independant trustees.
The 54billion the Government owes should be converted to G/C debt instruments (plus interest). The amount of employer/employee deductions calulated by an actuary-like process.
If in the past, however, the Government had to top up the Fund because of a shortage of money to pay premiums, than there could be a legitimate case to deduct that from the $54b.
Sean from NWO
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Northerner
said
The spirit of the Liveral government keeps coming back and haunting them. This is simply another Liberal mess and there will be more to follow.
Adn you want the Liberal to form the next governement with the NDP and the BLock. How far have we gone lowered our values as a country.
Get a job! Not more benefits!
said
They should try to create jobs by investing in good opportunities that will be productive for the hole country.
We want to get rid of the debt, not add on to it!
Don in Vancouver
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Andy
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Pay it back and DON'T TOUCH!
Richard in NW Ontario
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Kat In Alberta
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LindaLoveless
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David
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The EI surplus should be an election or policy issue - let the parties take a stance. Maybe it could used for green energy tax incentives? Or simply refunded to the contributors?
But that is NOT for the court to decide.
If someone does not rein in the top court, they will soon be deciding all policy and probably setting tax rates too.
After all, the justices are just lawyers with a pension plan.
James
said
EI is not taxation, its insurance premiums. Thus the government took my premiums, cut my benefits and spent my money.
Someone needs to go to prison over this one.
Nick in Gatineau
said
Why didn't the conservatives do anything about it when they came to power ?
Since the Mulroney days, who changed the rules from UI to EI, and brought in strict rules and vague financial transaction guidelines, EI has been nightmarish at times. Moreso for the Indivudal trying to claim it. It adopted a Mob's rule type of policy which has been labeled as thievery more often than not.
I was always a supporter of the idea that EI should become part of your pension at retirement: $ 900.00 (2.25 % of $ 40,000.00) a year for 40 years = 36,000.00. There are people who will never claim it so losing it after paying it for so many years is an appaulling policy by the government. The government should give you back what you put into it, or whatever is left of it.
I agree to using it to pay down the debt but have the necessary funds somewhere else to cover such as surpluses. Just as Pension fund administrators are forced to do. By Law.
RichB Vancouver
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Dan@KentvilleN.S.
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pilote
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We are paying a lot for it but remember it is an insurance and we should not expect anything in return unless we need it.
Lorne
said
People have had too much trouble collecting benefits over the years. Why? It's their monies.
Government should be made to pay back these dollars and also make it easier to collect benefits, instead of having to sell your soul.
Wyley
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Rod Reibin
said
The government should keep their hands out of our cookie jar, focus on trimming the fat from their offices, and quit wasting the nation's money first. There would be plenty of money if the government were leaner.
Gerry
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meb
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Doug BC
said
At one time,I would have agreed that using the surplus to pay down debt would not be unethical.But using it to finance other programs is almost the same as fraud.Allowing that to go on would allow a government to finance it's own programs without the transparency needed to account for the true costs.
I'm not totally offended by anyone using surpluses to lower taxes for eceryone,or to lower debt.It's not the best way to go,but we all benefit in some way.
I am,however,offended when those dollars are used to finance programs that the government wants to bring in,but can't justify the taxes needed to support them.This amounts to a fraud on the taxpayers,who are thinking they are getting something for "Free".
We cannot vote in an informed way,if costs are hidden or disguised.We have a right to know the true costs of all our social programs,and where those dollars come from.
Letting people believe these services are free is not an option.There is no "free",my friends.If you got it for "free",it just means someone else paid for it.
If we have premiums for EI,they should be used for EI.If we have a deficit reduction tax,it should be used for that.NOT to finance the pet project of any government.
Transparency is a must.As are fair taxation policies.
Larry Lefty
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Chris Hodgson in Ontariariari-Oh!
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peggy
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DCI
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So, I can imagine how hard it is for someone to get EI in the first place. There os sure a lot of red tape...
This grand surplus of money should be given back to the people that put into it all the time. The layoffs keep coming. It makes me sad on how bad it is going to get in the future when our gov., keeps sending our jobs to other countries. Almost everything we purchase these days is made somewhere else.
Kind of sad hey...
Norm
said
See why we need elected judges?
I agree with you, Nick
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People like me NEVER claim any U.I. Why shouldn't we put that funds back into our Retirement Plan.
It will help ourself and it also help the Government. It's like opening up a bank account and don't expect to do any withdraw for a number of years!
But one more condition - I want the Government to pay me interest back!
Wow, I guess we are SMARTER than the Finance Minister! Do you think any LEADER will LISTEN?!
Take care, Nick. Merry Christmas to everybody!
Markie
said
However, we all know that Canada's debt and deficits were way out of control because face it, as Canadians we wanted more and more, so our governments gave and gave, so in large part, we are to blame as well.
So, the Libs took the money and diverted (which I don't have a problem with), however they should have told Canadians what they were doing.
Maybe now that we are in an economic downturn, they should maybe bump up the amount of Canadians can collect from EI (move it up to 65%), so that those who are being thrown out of work, left, right and center, have a little more to fall back on.
Our EI system isn't too bad, but I wish Mr. Chretien and Martin were a little more straight forward with us.
bunny
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Sherry in Ottawa
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Mike
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tells me to stay well clear of the Liberal boat regardless of who's steering it! Yikes! What next!
dna
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lynda o
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nc
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The govt. of Jean Chretien should not have used the EI premiums for the general revenue and help pay down the debt.
They made some changes to the Unemployment Act such as allowing for retraining, wage subsidies and self employment. This was an attempt at sugar coating their intentions.
If the govt. wants to reduce debt (which they should) they better find another way. EI is an insurance policy for working people. It's not a general tax or a cash grab for the govt.
Norm A Concerned Citizen of Canada
said
Until politicians embrace the fact that our electorate are finding it more and more difficult to trust - regardless of political affiliation and the "bluster" and self-righteousness coming from all parties.
Obama - President Elect, has it right. It is a time for change, not just in the infrastructure of how Parliament governs but how the people we elected in good faith to do the right thing, will govern themselves.
Do the right thing Ottawa. The time is now.
Mike Kirkland Québec
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LHB in Montreal
said
Finally it comes to light that it was not good government that brought about a surplus but over taxation through unduly high EI premiums. How dare they now complain about the
Conservative government
for returning it to Canadians through TAX CUTS that stimulate the economy as well as paying down the Deficit for our children.
What hypocracy!!!!!
And now, the Liberals want the keys to the purse again through a Colation with the
the spendstriff SOCIALISTS.
GIVE CANADIANS A BREAK PLEASE................
Mike in Colborne
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Brian O
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Jon in Ottawa
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M. Cameron
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RS in LaSalle, QC
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Julius
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Also - since the Liberals collected this money illegally, do we get it back?
Richard L. Provencher
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Brad from Canada
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Just My Opinion.
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I thought that my wife was treated very fairly when she was laid-off from her old job and went to ask for financial assistance so that she could return to college to become a certified health care aide. EI paid for 1/2 the books and all the tuition, a bus pass, plus gave her a living allowance on top of that.
If anyone is to repay the 54 Billion - they can begin by taking 1/2 of the funds paid to the Liberials for each vote they received.
Now thats more than fair as they were the ones who illegally diverted the funds in the first place.
Keith Grills
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Darlene in Halifax
said
Wow, hard to believe the Liberals would do something without the necessary approval of voters (in this case, Parliament). And here I thought it was isolated that they tried to "appoint" a coalition government. Then again, they've now "appointed" a new leader.
And I voted for them. No longer.
Patricia
said
Zhimmy
said
I am going to defend this.
Think how we all have benefitted from a reduced national debt today. Because of the Conservatives you are getting money back in tax breaks!
Ravi
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Anthony
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themselves unemployed, and also to those, who as an example worked part-time !
Government simply used it to
pay for everything else, including their unbridled waste. Imagine, what will happen when this coalition takes over.
Jason in Kelowna
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BMN
said
If this was, in fact, crucial in developing surpluses (though I doubt it played THAT big of a role, look back on the surpluses and do the math), then Canadians have to collectively discuss how the heck we can continue to run surpluses.
Most Conservative supporters hate any tax and bristle the moment you utter the word.
Most Liberal supporters don't want to cut back on programs Conservative supporters would have the government do away with.
People of all stripes are loathe to admit that mistakes have been made on ALL fronts and there's still a lot of financial cleanup to do.
We CANNOT lapse back into deficit. It's a slippery slope that will devalue Canada's dollar, leading to a decrease in purchasing power, a perpetual risk of inflation and lead to an era where we'll have to tighten our belts ten times worse than we ever had to in the 1990s.
Gail (Hamilton)
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DWR
said
IS THAT NOT ILLEGAL AS WELL
Cindy
said
Sad fact is this is nothing new.
But now that a court has determined that this was illegal...I'll take my share of the money they stole before Christmas and with interest!!!
sudsy
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Tim from Calgary
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Pat
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Annoyed Worker
said
So here i pay in it for 23 years, now i am being kicked out for medical reasons yet, I cannot get a cent out of the years i put into EI.
At least they did put it to good use and pay down the dept. As for you people who use EI as a wage while your job is seasonal. Heres a thought get another job and stop skiving off of us workers.
Shirlee - SK
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Veteran
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Rob in Alberta
said
I understand a "mistake" here and there, however, added to the list of questionable decisions (gun registry cost for example) already public by the Liberal Party while in office I have to wonder what they would do next time we give them power.
It would appear the Liberal party forgot to pay some lawyers to give them legal advice in order to avoid this kind of "error". They've been out of power now for how long and we are still hearing about more "missteps" 3 years later?? YIKES.
Judith Colter
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Steve Daly, Mississauga
said
If I collect monies illegally, it would seem to me that ANYTHING I subsequently do with that money is illegal.
How can I legally dispose of something that I had no legal right to in the first place?
Fed up with Libs
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GARY
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Jamie D
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Anita-Georgetown
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Jason
said
They can never missed an opportunity to just attack, attack, and attack. People are frankly getting quite tired of the constant complaining by conservatives. Do you only have the maturity of a five year old? What happened to you people? Is it something we should know about? Chemical exposure? Mercury in the environment? Poor parenting? Its really quite something for a normal perosn to see. Like undisciplined spolied children. Grow up. The world is actually a quite beautiful place to live in if you don't buy into fearmongering or pay attention to conservative mouthpieces. You conservatives make it seem like Al Qaeda with the aid of opposition political parties are lurking around every corner waiting to ruff up some old lady. Seriously people, lighten up.
Todd
said
With recession I'd like to see the government even the playing field across the country so unemployed workers had equal access to funds regardless of where they live, not the way they do it now with 50 or separate regions and different standards for qualifications.
Nick in Gatineau
said
We are not the USA.
Furthermore, look at the politicians we have !!! Do you want the same garbage in the Senate or in the Supreme Court ?
The Senate is for the friends of the PM. I don't like it but it is his right.
The Senate does good things -much more than the House at times.
I would like to see younger members (judges from all sectors) who do not have party affiliations so that it truly does what it is supposed to do. No more friends, no more snake-oil salesmen.
I'd also like to see a Supreme Court membership grow and have the capacity to deal with Urgent issues within 48 hours. Possibly create committees to rule on provincial-federal (1 Province only versus the Federal) constitutional arguments or even on the economy if certain situations of urgency or even emergency arise.
Sherry SK
said
EI (used to be unemployment insurance, which meant you received back premiums when you were unemployed - insurance in case you were unemployed) Now its called Employment Insurance, so that makes it.... what?
Diane from London
said
I think the whole E.I. program is in serious need of reorganization. 40% of the people who are forced to pay into the system are never allowed to collect. It is anything but fair. Big Businesses laid off workers automatically get their benefits while the person working for small business gets the Spanish Inquisition and pressured to find work much more than an large business where there is an expectation of being recalled to back to work.
Now everyone needs E.I. and the Liberal Government took all of the surplus so they could look fiscally responsible. Go figure!
"Sigh"
Disappointed with the EI nightmare
said
JeannieM Quinte
said
Remember that for every buck you paid from your paycheck, your employer paid another $1.40. Unnecessarily high payroll taxes, like EI, CPP etc. are a huge disincentive to business and job creation. So hiking EI costs to employers ensures more people need EI.
Dustin in Van
said
In my whole life I have never used the system and if this is what they are going to do with the money I pay in to it I want it back, all of it! I pay taxes to cover the debt and the money that has been earmarked to a social program should not ever be used for what it was never intended for! With the economy the way it is now I think that every one of us could use the money that we have paid in to the EI program for all these years and if we had it all right now sitting in a bank account waiting for us it sounds like it would be in better hands than in the hands of our "Honorable Government Officials".
(The lot of them should be lynched for this)
Andrea
said
Instead of the political parties rebuilding their brand names they should be focusing on implementing new ethical policies to stop these wrongdoings from happening.
Keith in Brampton
said
Basically, for three years, the Feds technically had no right to collect EI payments because they forgot to dot some i's and cross some t's in the changes they made to the legislation.
The main argument - opposing the government's paying down the national debt with EI premiums - was struck down; this use of EI funds was OK.
So, the question is: what is to be done about the monies collected for the three years in question?
Strictly speaking, it should be refunded. But where does the government get the money to refund to us? From OUR pockets. So what would be the point?
The money collected was used in the exact same ay as it would have been had the Feds gotten the language right when they changed the law. So while it was a technical screw-up, from what I read here there is no evidence of intent break the law, and nothing done untowards with the money.
The Federal bureaucrats responsible for drafting the law should probably be taken to task for screwing up the wording. But to go beyond that to refund us only to have the government then pass a new law to claw it all back (the money is long spent; it's not like it's lying around somewhere waiting to be handed out) would be a waste of all our money - and would divert the government's attention at a time when we need them focussing long and hard on how to help us get through this global recession with as little pain as possible.
PrairieDog- Dean R.
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Fraser
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Maria in PEI
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Paul B - Vancouver
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Easterly Bob
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Nick in Gatineau
said
A party can do whatever it wants and does not have to answer to Canadians for 4 to 5 years. Once you put that 'X', you're done.
In minority governments, you still can do what you want knowing that the opposition will not contest anything unless they form a coalition.
It just ain't pretty.
Whatever way you look at it.
Todd Hagar
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PO'd in London
said
When you lie and steal from the government ,you go to jail or get fined to the bone,--but when the government lies and steals from us, we whine and have hissy fits which changes nothing and at election time,not many with long term memory show up to vote or actively get involved.
Glenn from Halifax
said
korie from the western provinces
said
for all those who pay into the system, you know how hard it is to get anything out, and what you do get out is not enough to live on for the time that you need to live on it!
this reinforces the fact that the government is failing, it started a long time ago and the leadership is only getting worse! it is all about a party being in power and no one is being held accountable. i am against the coalition and i am against the tories being in power. this is showing us why!
are we in a recession??? if we are it looks like it is our governments' fault for leading us there! do the jobs that you are elected to do, collect the taxes (yes ontario, you need to pay all your taxes too!) get your nose out of the middle east (we have our own oil to worry about) and stop acting like a bunch of 5 year olds fighting over a toy...my country is not your toy!
Mark M
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l.R. From ottawa
said
Under the ei act only an insurance officer can disqualify. The government would harass clerks who were not officers to disqualify clients. Under the legislation, this was also not legal.
Sandra
said
Yea sure.
Liberals don't hold your breath.
dan ottawa
said
been brought in to look at this, I believe this is criminal in nature and this
should be dealt with at the criminal level.
Mike
said
Dan
said
There are now more liberal scandals than I have fingers. I wonder what kind of backdoor deals were made when they formed the coalition. If your a liberal at heart you have to ask the question " Are there any decent liberal MP's left ?"
To the people of Canada that don't like Harper, you may not like Him but he's done more for Canada in three years than the Liberals did since Trudeau.
I'm actually hoping that they topple Harpers Goverment because you know that the Govenor General will have no choice but to call for an election( Sorry coalition people but with the amount of negative talk that the coalition concept has received it would be doubtful that the govenor general would even consider it as an option )
Now when someone is having a problem in trying to apply or receive EI just remind them that it was the liberals who made it all happen.
Deb O
said
Deb O
Gilles
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I won't hold my breath and neither should anyone!!!
Awful!
Jay Thordarson
said
I have ZERO respect for the government and their policies surrounding EI. They do nothing for the people who pay into EI. The only thing they really do is make peoples lives miserable.
In fact, I encourage every individual to voice their experiences with EI to their local MP. The more heat that gets put on the government, the more chance they will do something about the problem.
It is sad to think that we contribute to a fund that is not readily accessible to those who need it. I compare this to having money in the bank but the bank telling you that you cannot have it for several weeks.
Either way, the Canadian government has proven that they do not care about everyday individual Canadians. They all lie and they all steal from the Canadian taxpayers.
Chris Ont
said
Dan
said
However, did not mention in their grand standing that they did it on the backs of unemployed workers. Then lost power, handed the EI mess of to the conservatives, now are yelling, TAKE DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, because the conservatives are not loosening the EI rules that the Liberals chocked in the first place. And the Liberals are saying that the conservatives are bad? Really.
Effie Scott
said
Not fair to the reigning Conservatives to have to wreck their budget plans and go into the red. (red = in debt, right?)
KellyinFreddy
said
Bill from Banff
said
Is it tax or is it really a premium?
LBA Ottawa
said
stated that only an officer could do this. Clerks were threatened with their jobs if they didn't do these disqualifications.
Diane. Oakville
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Jim McB
said
Is this misappropriation of billions considered a scandal? I think if Mr Harper was involved we would see a bit of that sentiment bubble up from the hoard of left wing supporters that reside on these boards :)
Jonathan - Toronto
said
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".
one pissed off voter
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Shaun Tapper
said
This is evidenced by the posts of the people here who have to wait 4-8 weeks for a drible of money, in an economy where a vast majority of people are as little as two paychecks away from bankruptcy.
This system has to be retooled so that it can do the job required of it, to help a person keep some food on the table and a roof over there heads till they can get back to work in a real job.
Another unaccountable(and none of them realy are)crown corporation to manage the program isn't the answer either. Nonprofit means they must spend everything, not be efficent and the political gorgeing in that trough would be to disgusting to see.
What we need is a new two tiered system. First step, everyone pays in for a predetermined lenght of time, say ten years. Step two, it now is used to buy federal or provincal bonds that are locked in untill you are either unemployed or retired.
brenda
said
LIberals had been living the life of Riley off of us. We finally woke up! Go Conservative. PM Harper may have to change his own rules once in awhile, but it's ALWAYS for the good of the people!
robertlahaie
said
the government be held accountable. The "national surplus" (now $46 billion) has been tracked for a reason - that is to recognize what contributors have paid into Employment Insurance.
The Conservative Party believes that this surplus is the property of those who have made the contributions to Employment Insurance - the workers and employers of Canada."
also a northener
said
The spirit of the Liberal Govt.? You obviously voted PC. A Northerner voting for a Govt. that stuck it to our forestry sector just so Alberta could get our skilled trades men. Let the US keep 4 billion of the 5 billion they stole from us. The left over 1 billion was to go to the forestry sector to help rebuild. What ever happened to that money we will never know. There is so much corruption in all parties and levels of Govt. I don't know why anyone bothers voting at all. WHATS THE POINT. They are all crooks. I Doesn't matter who you vote for.
Mary in Calgary
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Dave in Cold Lake
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W in Sk
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Seth
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dwg
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HV Edmonton
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Scott O'Brien - clenching butt cheeks in Ottawa
said
Do we really want these crooks anywhere close to power in this country? If you're voting Liberal you're voting to be bent over and f$#@ed in the a$$ over and over and over again! The NDP is just the lube facilitating the Liberal "governing style".
David in Victoria
said
At least the Liberals have been consistent in their predisposition; the latest elevation of Ignatieff as Lib-leader without voter representation is entirely consistent with the Liberal hubris, as they do what they want now and try to get out of paying for it later. Come to think of it, that sounds remarkably like AdScam; and when do you think they will pay us back for that one?
Meed Thomson
said
Is Chretien or somebody in the liberals going to do time for this or is the conservatives?
Cambob
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Jodi
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John
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A Disappointed Canadian
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TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE!
P.B. Ontario
said