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Date: Sun. Dec. 7 2008 10:58 PM ET
Liberal Leader Stephane Dion is expected to resign this week and Liberal MP Dominic LeBlanc has dropped out of the leadership race and will support rival Michael Ignatieff, CTV News has learned.
"Michael Ignatieff pretty much has this leadership race wrapped up," CTV's Chief Political Correspondent Craig Oliver told CTV Newsnet Sunday evening.
Oliver said LeBlanc will make the announcement Monday, according to senior officials. He said LeBlanc will bring four MPs and five senators with him to back Ignatieff.
The Liberal caucus is to meet on Wednesday, which will include 57 MPs who support Ignatieff, Oliver said. They would "almost certainly" vote to make Ignatieff their parliamentary leader, putting immense pressure on Liberal MP Bob Rae to drop out of the leadership race.
But the Rae camp says that choosing a leader behind closed doors is not the right move for the Liberal party.
Earlier on Sunday, Ignatieff said the Liberal caucus may "accelerate" the process to replace Dion, and warned that Prime Minister Stephen Harper's government will fall if it does not produce a strong budget next month.
In an interview on CTV's Question Period, Ignatieff declined to echo former deputy prime minister John Manley's call for Dion to immediately step down.
However, he did suggest the caucus wants a new, permanent Liberal leader already in place should the opposition parties choose to vote down Harper's government when the budget is tabled on Jan. 27.
"I think there is an emerging feeling in the caucus that given the importance of this vote in late January, it would be appropriate to have a leader in place, a permanent leader in place, and I think it's fair to say that the caucus is considering various options about how to do that, to accelerate our leadership process," Ignatieff said Sunday.
In a separate interview later on Question Period, Rae repeated Ignatieff's call for a decision on the Liberal leadership before Parliament resumes on Jan. 26.
"We need to have the leadership race moved up and we need to make sure that we've got a broad consultation with the party before the end of January," Rae said.
Dion had planned to stay on until a leadership convention in May. However, as plans for the coalition have emerged, many have called for Dion to step aside before then.
Harper 'will go down'
Later in his interview, Ignatieff warned that Harper's government "will go down" should it fail to produce a comprehensive budget in January that offers help to Canadians in the ongoing economic crisis.
Ignatieff said the opposition party leaders should wait until they can read the Conservative budget before deciding the current government's fate.
"But Mr. Harper has to understand here that if he fails to produce a budget in the national interest of Canada, he will go down," Ignatieff said.
It's possibly the strongest language Ignatieff has used since the coalition between the Liberals and NDP -- with the support of the Bloc Quebecois -- was formed.
Ignatieff defended the proposed coalition, which threatened to turf Harper's minority government from power during a confidence vote this week, before Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean accepted Harper's advice to prorogue Parliament.
The coalition offers an alternative to an election should the opposition parties choose to vote down Harper's budget, Ignatieff said.
Both Ignatieff and Rae were quick to blame the political crisis on Harper, and accused him of using divisive rhetoric to characterize the coalition as a deal between the Liberals, the NDP and separatists.
Heritage Minister James Moore echoed Harper's sentiments on Question Period, saying: "I think that Jack Layton and Gilles Duceppe playing this kind of game in order to strategically advance their parties is very dangerous and unwelcome."
Rae said the Bloc cannot use its position in the coalition to advance an agenda.
"The Bloc doesn't have a veto, the Bloc doesn't control anything, the Bloc's not in control of the agenda," Rae said. "And the way the prime minister has described this agreement, the way he has portrayed it to Canadians, I think is not only misleading, I think is horrendously divisive."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.
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Chad in Edmonton
said
The Liberals are grossly misreading where they should fit in the political spectrum. They have remained where they are by owning the centre. They are bound for failure the further left they move with people like Bob Rae, Stephane Dion and Ujal Dosanje.
Alistair
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Paul, Brampton
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lukas
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Ryan i nVictoria
said
Coalition is nonthing more than a sellout, sell their souls to BLOC QuebecOIS says it all. People should be asking what did they have to give up to get the support of the BLoc, answer that question without lying.
Cam in the West
said
Our GG will not allow give power to the Coalition!
John in Calgary
said
And I mean a fairly detailed one, these guys think they can run the country better then lets hear what they would do, not what the PM has done Wrong (after the fact). Then we can look at it and say "well the Cons covered 55% of what the Coalition wanted."
Let's not forget the Tories still *Legally* speak for 45% of the population. And that should be respected, otherwise it will be "Canada decides 2009"
Merle Terlesky
said
Thus anything the coalition wants to pass needs all the Bloc votes-thus they certainly control the agenda.
It was three men on the stage not just 2 when they shook hands.
How truly stupid does Rae think Canadians are?
Gorf
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bruce nicolson
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We should all remember that 2-3 days ago all 3 leadership candidates supported the coalition with Dion as the leader.The liberal party is split left and right.I predict Igatieff will be the leader soon and cooler heads will prevail come the 26th Jan.
The real fear of the coalition was the power Layton and Duceppe would have had.
Thomas (Ottawa)
said
Redbike in Redmonton
said
You guys are gonna "take down the government" and replace it with WHAT, exactly?
Norm
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Andrew in Winnipeg
said
That's funny...When it comes down to Canadians voting at the poles a personal vote didn't matter to Rae thus this stupid coalition. If we are to go by his ideology then the majority support Ignatieff so why bother putting it to a vote?
Wise Wajid
said
Bill
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Mel from Calgary
said
We do not need a prime minister who does not know how our parliamentry system works.
Throwing a tantrum and torquing a conservative party crisis into a unity and constitutional crisis is not what this country needs.
Joan /Dick- Sherwood Park
said
Tori
said
It is good to hear Mr Ignatieff say that the budget should be put forth first before a vote. Let's face it, if the PM has learnt anything it should be that nothing less than perfect will do.
Now the PM must work dilligently and put forth a budget suitable for all of Canada.
I would rather see an election than a country ran by a coalition that cannot even figure out who the leader will be. Right now Canadians are vunerable, there is no trust in any political leader. The coaltion looked like a good way out but as we see the cracks emerging even the coalition looks like a lost cause.
Cambob
said
Nov 27, 2008:
Conservatives 143 seats.
Liberals 77 seats.
Bloc 49 seats.
NDP 37 seats.
Independent 2 seats.
Nov 29, 2008:
Conservatives 143 seats.
coalition 114 seats.
Bloc 49 seats.
Independent 2 seats.
To govern, the coalition require support of 41 seats from the Bloc. (Not including independent seats). This is called a Balance of Power, not a veto.
In order for the coalition to fail, the Conservatives require 12 seats. This too is a Balance of Power, however those 12 seats can be drawn from the Liberal, NDP, Block and Independent. Thus, no one party control the vote against the Conservatives.
Dion, Rae and Ignatief are correct; the Bloc does not have a veto in the coalition. The Bloc controls the coalition.
Aside from Sovereignty, one of the Bloc's stated platforms is: "Insisting that Quebec's regions receive a larger part of the structured investments of the federal government." Thus, if the coalition proposes any fiscal stimulus package, the Bloc will "insist" that a larger portion goes to Quebec interests.
Ok boys, spin that.
vladimir cicha
said
Coalition creates a mess, the worst I remember in 40 years of my life in Canada. As I did express my disbelieve I do it again: why the situation is not solved by the referendum? Who will be able to answer this question?
Vladimir Cicha,
Vancouver
Shannon, Vancouver
said
Mary Clarke
said
It seems many Canadians will also not accept the fact,that their chosen Party did not win.
Like Dion,you'll get over it eventually.
By the way,why is the media only focusing on the pro- coalition rallys?
Where are the photos and coverage of all those who opposed the coalition?
Darlene Thompson
said
BJ
said
Unfortunately those power-hungry three parties are to cost us the taxpayers another election this time a majority conservative government will put them down once and for all hopefully.
Sam C
said
Mark from New Brunswick
said
We have the best leader one the opposition socialists can only dream about.
The socialists are scared of a great conservative leader.
If the socialists want to bring the government down in January let them try.
I bet out of the socialist cess pool there would be 12 or so Canadians that would cross the floor thus denying the socialist control of our free and sovereign nation.
Toad
said
Everything being done by the Ottawa folks is legal-coalition, proroguing and all.
The issues is that the opposition wanted to defeat the government for no reason, other than to grab power- there was no budget presented and no time to draw one up.
We need to wait for the U.S. auto package, for instance, before crafting a plan.
I agree the coalition needs to specifically state what they want in a budget so when they still defeat the government for no reason other than a power grab, their true colours are revealed.
By the way have the Liberals paid us back the money they stole in the Sponsorship scandal?
With interest?
Dale - Edmonton
said
These Liberals don't and will never get it. Lets have another election, we'll give the Libs 8 weeks to get their leadership campaign over with and then have a federal election and let the chips fall where they may. They should be grateful for the reprieve, if an election were held today the polls tell us they couldn't elect a dogcatcher in Armpit, Ontario.
Brett in Alberta
said
Alberta has had a Conservative Provincal government for 30 years and we are one of the most successful provinices in Canada. We have no PST, the two best Tech colleges, UofC is in the process of adding 5 buildings, our hospitals are constantly being added on to, our roads are constantly being improved, we have the lowest unemployment rate, our minimum wage is unoffically $12/hr.
The Federal Conservatives have the same core values as Alberta's provincal government. How can anybody look at Alberta and not want these things for the rest of Canada?
Yes, Alberta sacrificed some major luxuries to get to this point. But we are the only province that is out of debt (and billions in savings) and we have gotten most of those luxuries back. It has nothing to do with the revenue from Oil, it has to do with how the revenue was managed (sir Ralph). Wake up Liberals-NDP-Bloc, you could easily have what Alberta has but it's not going to happen with your current party.
juli
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Cliff Ottawa
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James from Calgary
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Bob NS
said
Liberals and NDP don't have enough seats to topple the Conservatives so they need the Bloc's seats to do so.
Isn't that a VETO.
Mr Rae you are speaking nonsense.
Richard from Ontario
said
Laurie Lacey
said
It is within the laws of our Parliamentary system to vote down a governing party, and, if possible, it is also perfectly legal to have a coalition government. Those of you who object so strongly are either die-hard Conservatives, or are following the American system of government. And, no, Harper doesn't have the support of 45% of the Canadian public. He was elected with approximately 36% of the votes.
It's obvious to me that Harper's days as leader are also numbered. He's a minor league economist who belongs at a right-wing think tank Institute like the Fraser Institute -- that's probably an ideal job for him. It's time that the Conservatives take a second look at their leader. The country would be much better off without both Harper and Dion.
dave in Victoria
said
And please have someone who is nationally (including the west and east) respected and has a calm cool head on his/her shoulders.
Mike from Canmore
said
These losers all wanted a coalition with the NDP and Bloc when Harper was trying to oust the legally elected Martin government. The roles have reversed and suddenly it's all about democracy.
Well it is true Steve, it's about democracy. Not the style of government that you are promoting. Shame on your Steve, SHAME!!!!
Charles/ Nanaimo
said
The Liberal Party are now doing everything they can to boot out the same man they were prepared, just a few days ago, to foist on the country as Prime Minister, the same man, they chose to lead this country through the most critical months of the recession, a time when all the major financial decisions are going to have to be made.
john filax
said
William McCullough
said
Whatever, visions or notions the readership may have on what they think our form of government should be, the reality is that there are rules in place on how governing is done in this country.
In the US, there is an impeachment process for Heads of State. Harper is NOT the Head of State in Canada, he is only the head of government. And he is only head of government for as long as the majority in the house are willing to support him.
ALL parties are out in full force at all times, to obtain power. This is because actual power is needed to effect one's vision.
Sitting around and doing what the leader of an opposing ideology says, is not what MPs are elected to do. To claim otherwise, is false, and based purely on emotional or misinformed sentiment.
As far as public subsidies of political parties go. The reason it is in place is ONLY because of the limits placed on the individual on the maximum he/she can donate in a given year. The policy is biased in favour of the Conservatives, and legitimizes a one party state. Under the legislation, with no public subsidy, opposition parties would never be able to raise the funds needed to succeed. This is because Conservatives have capped the MAXIMUM that I can donate of my OWN FREE WILL. There is no democracy in that. End the tax benefit to donating to political parties, or lift the contribution limits!
Mark - Vegreville, AB
said
This comes from a candidate whose party cannot deliver a quality video on time. How can they possibly get a proper leadership vote done in a month?
The only hope the Liberal party has is that Ignatieff wins the leadership. He is the only candidate that main stream Canadians would find palatable. If they want to get a new leader in ASAP then let caucus vote on this one. Rae carries far too much negative baggage and comes across as a power hungry egomaniac.
Disgusted with childish politices in Vancouver
said
All this frenzy has been perpetrated by the proposed cut in their welfare cheques and now that they have formed their unholy alliance, they can smell some tidbits of feed.
What a house of rats!
F.H.Thompson
said
So I say to the Liberals as well as the other opposition parties if you our true representatives, like you say. Then defeat the government and win a majority of the canadians support and not as a coalition.
Mary in Thornton, Ontario
said
It sounds to me that the only way the opposition leaders would except the budget in January is if Mr. Harper gives in to their demands, and even then they'LL find something to bring the goverment down, in that case I say bring on an election, let the CANADIAN PEOPLE have a say.
Please people let's all work together, for the sake of our children...(future generations) SAY NO TO COALITION
I LOVE MY CANADA
JayRoc
said
ENOUGH with divisive rhetoric from all Parties...Can we please have a leader who will LEAD?
John Manley would be the best bet, followed by Iggy for the Libs; Perhaps Jim Prentice for the Tories. Steve and Steph have to go.
Bernt Hill
said
TagTeam
said
Fine, but let's also not forget that the opposition parties *Legally* speak for the majority of the population. That should also be respected, especially by the current government, which exists to serve the House.
The fact that the opposition parties agree on the key issues of the day shouldn't be held against them.
Henry Wysmulek
said
Canadian's due not want the three stooges running Government! If we did we would have elected one of them Prime Minister!
It almost looks like the three stooges are trying to start a Civil War!
Prof. Pye Chartt
said
Yeah. You think so?!
Ignatieff wants to be party leader and Prime Minister so bad he probably hasn't had a bowel movement in a month.
It's time for him to step out from behind the curtain and prove to his detractors that he's every bit as self-important and power-obsessed as Dion; with the difference being that he can talk without succumbing to frustration and anger.
With or without Dion, the LPC is still on the wrong side of the fence on most issues of economic relevance.
Geoff
said
You are playing into the Bloc's hand. They will demand plenty to keep the coalition in power. If the Libs and NDP give into the demands they will no doubt unfairly support one province. If they refuse Mr. Duceppe will pull his support and tell the people of Quebec that he tried but this proof once again that Quebec has been rejected by Ottawa and that separtion is the only viable course for Quebec.
Furthermore, the Liberals need to spell our the specifics of what they need in the budget. Otherwise, no matter what is in it they will vote against it.
Mr. Harper stop the stupid partisan attacks that initiated this fiasco and work with the opposition.
Canadians have had more than enough of the foolishness the three fedralist parties.
James, a loyal Canadian
said
Ok boys, lets say this "coalition" takes over government. Lets say you come up with your first budget. Lets say the bloc doesn't like it and wants more stuff in it for Quebec. What do you suppose the "coalition' will do? Say no? Hardly.
They will do anything they can to stay in power. They would even rewrite the clarity act to appease the bloc.
These guys can't be trusted. If you want to govern as a coalition then run in the election as a coalition. Dion said he would not be in a coalition with the NDP. But 6 weeks later there he is.
If Canadians thought there would be the Lib/NDP/Bloc coalition running the country, how do you suppose they would have voted? It would have been a massive Harper majority.
Lets go to the people to decide this.
Laurie of Bridgewater, Nova Scotia
said
James in Peterborough
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Harry in Ottawa
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Paul Chilliwack
said
There are actually Liberal and NDP supporters who support this coalition.
Well I guess the LIBERALS and NDP are getting support from their grass roots, to be separatist supporters.
So from now on if you vote for the LIBERALS OR NDP, you are voting for the breakup of CANADA.
Then what should the new united party of CANADA be called, the NDP-LIBERAL Association, no that is too clean.
How about the, United SEPARATIST movement of CANADA, Feturing the LIBERALS-NDP and the leader Gilles Duceppe. HmMMM sounds like SEDITION to me.
SO all you Liberal NDP supporters, realise what you are supporting and what the consequences will be in the long run.
Chilliwack B.C.
TagTeam
said
If the CPC has no members of the opposition willing to subvert itself to Harper's ambition, how can the government continue? Majority rules!!
The Bloc already agrees with the other parties on the main issues and is free to defeat any other bill that is not a confidence vote. Harper's problem is that he sees everything up to a vote for lunch break as a confidence issue!
graeme crowe
said
Gord, Vancouver
said
It doesn't matter whether the Conservatives have avoided economic meltdown in Canada because of earlier actions to stimulate the economy.
By not proposing a stimulus program when most of the other countries have, the Conservatives have effectively told the Canadian public; "Your on your own, good luck!".
As I see it, there is only one likely responce by Canadians to the Conservative message and that is lose confidence in the economy and to stop spending on anything but the necessities.
The Conservative message is so wrong, that they deserve to be brought down.
I think there needs to be an election simply because Canadians have lost confidence in the Conservatives and don't appear to have much confidence in a coalition government either.
Don
said
No, Harper is the one who should go.. HE is after all the PM , and HE afterall is the one who has caused this fiasco . Harper is not a man of integrity... He once called Paul Martin down , if he would not submit to the will of Parliament ( oh and he had the support of the Bloc and the NDP then too )Martin did face a vote and won by one vote ( the Cadham vote .oh yes , the Cadham vote the one that was attempted to be bought by the Conservatives.
Now Harper has shut down Parliament.He cut and run.. He did not want to face the Members of the House ... who by the way were also duly elected on Oct 14th .. just like him. Where is the integrity in this? Harper is the undemocratic one.He should resign..
Don , in Winnipeg
David Cox
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William McCullough
said
Again, why did the Conservatives entertain an alliance with the Bloc in both 2000 and 2004?
The reality is that the Bloc are legitimate members of parliament. They were voted in.
Harper himself has in the past employed separatist-style rhetoric such as "building firewalls around Alberta".
Knowing this, and knowing that the Bloc are legitimate MPs, how can one claim that doing a deal with them is wrong? It's like claiming that Quebeckers do not have the right to vote in representatives of their own choosing.
Steve H.
said
Ron in the West
said
Valerie-Brantford Ontario
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Chirs in Ajax
said
Do people actually think that all these MP's that they elected are in it for the power? Sit back and think about that one, please.
BA in The 'Peg
said
Et tu, Brute?
said
NOW, only a week later, we are hearing a totally different message coming from Liberal leadership.
Where are the Liberal MP's now like David McGuinty who was outspoken about caucus unanimity?
Are the Liberal back benchers cowards or do they just change their opinions like the changing wind?
What do Liberal MP's stand for? Canadians want to know. Are they now hiding from us?
RobertVancouver
said
Shame.
Are we all just waiting for the Oil price to go up again and fix our economy?
Nita
said
Al
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Jill in Calgary
said
Don't believe everything you hear
said
There is NOTHING undemocratic or morally wrong with a majority of The House agreeing that Parliament isn't working and asking the Governor General to give their Coalition a chance to govern. It's called the "Parliamentary System". Coalitions happen in MANY Parliamentary systems around the world.
So before you get out there and relating Dion (who I wish would step down like yesterday) to Stalin, read a flippin' book about the Parliamentary system already!!!!!
Now, if you don't think Canada should be run by a Parliamentary system, then there's a respectful platform for which to become an activist and protest against.
Wake up Conservatives and understand what's happening. Your leader is twisting the issue to save his job as "First" Minister. I challenge Steven Harper to put a link on their site to educate Canadians on the Parliamentary system. But he won't because he doesn't want YOU to know the truth! It's not in HIS best interest and is BETTING his future on most Canadians being uninformed.
Doug in Dartmouth
said
(a) Back away from Coalition talks, and have a fair chance to defeat the Conservatives at the next General Election.
(b) Go forward with the Coalition, overthrow the Conservatives, further upsetting the voters to the point that the Liberals will be reduced to a marginal party in the next election.
Of all the Minority Governments in history of the Canadian Parliament, no Official Opposition has had a lower percentage(26%) of MP's in the house than the Dion Opposition.How they hope to hold a Coalition together, relying on the support of,not one, but two other parties, with totally different agendas is mind boggling.
Bob,Alberta
said
Of course, if the Liberals were to choose Bob Rae as leader all bets are off and their national vote next time will fall far below 25%.
Lust for power knows no bounds
said
These two parties will compromise anything to seize power even giving away veto power over our government to Quebec separatists.
What a sellout!
k-w conscience
said
Who else is there? Bueller, bueller...
KYV
said
Jess D
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Brad in Calagary
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junk69
said
Joe in Edmonton
said
changed. Say what you like,
the Liberal brand is still the strongest political brand in the country, and they will, eventually form the next majority gov't.
nicolas
said
Blair S.W.Ontario
said
Anthony
said
With the liberals and the socialist kissing their ass, that must really make
them feel important. Well, let's call a new election and perhaps we'll get rid of most of these clowns. We deserve better !
Mary
said
Ottawa...and this is what happens when you live with the status quo and local blinders on for too long.
pat in Sk.
said
Prof. Pye Chartt
said
"In a sense, the Coalition is more democratic and representative of the people of Canada, than is the Conservative government."
This somewhat widespread (though diminishing) sentiment utterly defies logic and basic common sense.
The Coalition represents a self-serving amalgamation of three different partisan voices; all of which were heard loudly during the recent federal election, and all of which were rejected outright.
Individually, each member of this power-hungry Coalition is a bona fide LOSER, as determined by the Canadian people. Perhaps to your personal dismay, the Conservatives garnered sufficient votes to be deemed the WINNER.
LOSER+LOSER+LOSER=WINNER
No. Wrong Answer.
LOSER+LOSER+LOSER=LOSER
Yes. Correct Answer.
While our parliamentary system affords the LOSERS the democratic ability to challenge the WINNER of a "minority" position, it does not afford the Coalition the practical ability to claim ONE VOICE and, therefore, righteous domain over Canadians.
The LOSERS must make every reasonable and honest effort to work with the WINNER. That's our system. The WINNER is not compelled to satisfy the selfish, dishonest partisan demands of the LOSERS.
Alex --British Columbia
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Doug BC
said
Yes.There are coalitions in many other parts of the world.But I really wonder who cares.We are not in other parts of the world,We are here,in Canada.And,in most other coalitions,the party with the most seats is rarely excluded from the coalition.
If western CAnada is ever to have a voice in this country,we must resist this coalition.At least as long as the Liberals refuse to join forces with those who want to see a democratic Senate in Canada.
If we had one now,this mess would not likely be upon us.And,if it were,we would probably have a non-partisan resolution so the government could get busy with important work it has to do.
THe issue of the Senate is huge.But,a Conservative minority can't get it done alone.And personally,I would rather see both Liberals and Conservatives do this work.I don't trust either to be fair or democratic about the process.
With a functional,and democratic Senate,we could then consider requiring a non confidence vote in BOTH houses to force an election.
A really pood government could still be toppled.But the vitriole in Parliament would not be the sole decider.The "house of sober second thought" would also have input.
jbBC
said
cam
said
The yearning for Dion to go away has untied them!
Wayne in Surrey, BC
said
Then these two cooler heads can work cooperatively to create the best possible budget to steer and improve our economy.
Don Mb.
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bunny
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Vince
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Linda in Vancouver
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Legal,illegal,moral or immoral.All of these are just talking points for people who have already made up their minds to support one party or another.
In spite of not caring for Harper,there is no way any coalition can be considered to represent the majority of Canadians if it excludes the MP's from the party which got the most votes.
The POLICIES of all three coalition parties were rejected by most Canadian voters.Any coalition would need a policy platform that was both public,and very much acceptable to voters.
Popularity is not the issue on which I voted.In my Liberal days I actually defended another PM who was pompous,arrogant,and very much hated in western Canada.
Now,I can defend one who is pompous,arrogant,but is willing to address issues that are vital to western Canadians.
The Liberals real problem is not Dion.It is the fact many of us ex Liberals don't believe anything they say any more.They have simply betrayed us one time to many.And our trust will not be so easily won the next time around.Certainly not without verifiable proof,and with another eastern insider as part leader.
diane from ontario
said
No Confidence In any Coalition
said
They talk about losing the confidence of the governing party.
(8 days into parliment??)
Then claim they can form a coalition that can run Canada fairly and smoothly!! Yah right!
They can't even get along in there own parties confidently, yet alone in a coalition. I am shocked that Cretian, and Broadbent are still calling the shots.
I thought those LEGACY's were over! CANADIANS still have not forgot all those SCANDELS.
Time for an ELECTION and we'll all see a MAJORITY Conservative government that all Canadians will have CONFIDENCE in.
Not a COALITION freak show that will squander Billions of taxpayers dollars.
We don't want a coalition.
A Liberal/NDP/Separatist Bloc
coalition does not instill confidence in Canadians.
We don't trust them nor should we. Be afraid!!
Election please!!
David1
said
Bob Rae is out of his mind. He does not give a damn about anything but for himself. That turns me off completely.
Manboy
said
Their lust for power is exceeded only by their hypocrisy. Harper wanted exactly the same coalition with the Bloq in 2004 as he is slamming now. What a blatant liar and opportunist he is.
Running away from parliament is the most cowardly thing I've ever seen. Harper is definitely not a leader.
The sooner we are rid of Harper's conservative thugs of him the better off Canada will be. Anybody would be better Prime Minister.
Dave in Manotick
said
And they wonder why we think they are all the lowest form of life on earth. What did a good, fun loving, intelligent people like Canadians ever do to deserve any of these clowns as our supposed leaders?
DON
said
Take Mr.Dosanjh for example, one of the most vocal in favour of this motley arrangement. He won his seat by a mere 20 votes. His competitors had more votes combined than he did. Obviously by his & his party’s thinking the majority in his riding voted against him. He should therefore resign immediately. The others will appoint one of themselves to go to Ottawa & represent the riding in exactly the same fashion his leader & the other two stooges have done with their parties.
What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.
You want to be righteous, then you must lead by example. Get on with it or shut-up
Mary
said
So it's OK with you that the separatist Bloc from one province keeps $coring carrots in exchange for shoring up the Coalition, while the other nine provinces pay for it? I passionately and federally disagree.
Lorenzo
said
Rae has to much NDP baggage,IGGY was out of the country to long and is an academic who thinks he is Trudeau and Leblanc is a shot in the dark who will not have the expereince to take ONT and Que....kind of scary
Brenda
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Jonathan in the peg
said
I always have a good laugh reading these posts. I have a little question for all those posting in support of Super Steve. Are you all not aware that Harper tried to work out the exact same deal with Duceppe and the "Evil Separatists" to remove the Libs from power in 2004? I'd just like to know why it was OK then but not now.
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It was wrong then, it is wrong now.
Colleen, Kawartha Lakes
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CMQ in NB
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We neeed to see what is going to happen with the budget and what is offered before we make the governement fall. If this happens we will see what is decided by the GG.
Another misconception is that Harper ran from parliment. The GG decided it was best to shut it down. It was her decision based on several factors including Harper's suggestion. Since then we have seen the true feelings of the Liberals about the coalition and from what I have been reading, shutting down parliment was the best choice of all.
Let's hope the Liberals get it in gear so we have some real choices instead of voting for the "best of the worst."
Mary
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Tired of politics
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Rick Allwright
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How do they expect us to come up with a budget they could somewhat agree with if they do not put any idea out there? Will the "collation " tell the Canadian people what they would do if they did take the power?
Oh wait why would they offer any ideas up - they just want to take the power without being elected. This collation has no idea what they would do and they don't want to present their ideas if they do have any because it would be obvious that they will just throw money around and hope it does something.
We need concrete plans, not just random hopes. When will the “collation” come to the Canadian people with these plans.
When will the media ask them for their plan? The “collation” has no reason not state their ideas, they don’t need to see the countries books like they said in the past. They should have some kind of game plan going into this if they want to run the country – so let’s see it and see it now!
Louis Santandrea
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Steve in Montreal
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LHB in Montreal
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The Liberal/NDP coalition with only 114 seats FROM ACROSS CANADA supported by the BLOC with 49 seats FROM QUEBEC ONLY pretend to represent ALL CANADIANS versus the Conservative with 143 seats FROM ACROSS CANADA.
Now Mr. Rae WILLFULLY WANTING TO MISLEAD THE CANADIAN PUBLIC while showing an inordinate amount of disrespect to the Canadian electorate, would have us believe that the BLOC would have no say whatsoever in the decison of the Lib/NDP. THAN WHY DID THEY NEED ITS SIGNATURE ON THE AGREEMENT???????.
for 2.5 years.
Lest we forget that is 12 more than the NDP and only 27 less than the LIBs FROM ACROSS CANADA and we are mislead to believe they would not have the big end of the stick. BE REAL!!!!!!!
Furthermore, as anyone one out there stop to think WHEN they will be ready with their ECONOMIC STIMULUS PACKAGE???
Do they not intend to, like the Conservative are presently doing, that is consulting with the Premiers and Finance Ministers of all Provinces and Territories as well as Big Business????
Are the NDP and BLOC be aloud to suppress the tax cuts to Corporations who are the engine of our Country. as they campaigned on in the last election in return for the Liberals to bring back the Green-shift that Canadians overwhelmingly VOTED AGAINST???????
It is very sad that, at any time but more particularly in these difficult times, the VICERAL HATE shown for Mr. Harper up-stages the LOVE WE SHOULD HAVE FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY.
I deplore the fact that there is a vacuum of democratic Liberal left in your great Party of old (thinking of Mr. Graham, Mr. Manley, and many more...) I venture to say they would have accepted defeat respectfully and gracefully.
Andrea
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Now all of a sudden, the other parties are using our democratic system like Harper did 4 years ago and he has the nerve to call it undemocratic. Many of you have called them treasonous. By these arguments, then I guess Harper is also undemocratic and a traitor too then, eh?
Tim Free Calgary
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Tommies
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There's a big difference in wanting to join with someone to defeat the govenment and call an ELECTION and JOINING a coalition with them. It's like asking soemone out for a date vs. marrying them
Johnny Appleseed
said
So perhaps, he came up with an insignifcant economic statement that the opposition could not tollerate no matter what. i.e. take away their free public election funding. That would trigger the coalition at a time that was obvious to the Canadian Public that the coalition was protecting their free money. I have heard so many comments against Harper. However, if the coalition was eminate, he would be wise to trigger it as soon as possible. That is, the liberal leadership is weak, just after an election, the coalition would be rejected by public opinion. And so on.
So, in my humble opinion, perhaps Harper was to be as good a leader as possible in the situation he was in. The coalition would bring down the government regardless of what the government said or did. He just made it the best possible moment.
So for all you lefties, keep an open mind. And don't be so paranoid. Life is a lot more interesting.
And to Layton, be careful what you wish for!
Bob
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Uhm, nice spin, but no cigar. Actually, the coalition opened it up by aligning themselves with the Bloc to govern the rest of Canada; otherwise, it wouldn't be an issue, until the Bloc decided AGAIN to make it one because they've learned it works.
Andrew Reed
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Way to go Liberals! Let's just keep ruining the country!
Rob in Red Deer
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Mr. Rae can't decide if he is Liberal or NDP.... though likely the latter,
Mr. Ignatieff seems to be showing his true colours as he slowly dips a toe into the party leadership waters and proclaims that he wants to see what the Cons have in the pending budget before bringing down the government..
Mr. Layton is of course willing to make any alliance he can to shore up his position and try to climb the stairs to power despite not having the support of very many voters or even all the Liberal "leadership"
Mr. Harper has shown just how astute he really is.... he has manouvered the 3 opposition parties into a corner they don't want to be in and did so legally...
Anyone who thinks the other party leaders would not have done exactly the same as Harper did by prorouging is not really in touch with reality.... Had the shoe been on the other foot so to speak and Mr. Dion been the one to prorouge parliment then Harper and the other leaders including Jack Layton would all be screaming "..he ran away from parliment..." as loudly as Mr. Dion is now....
So regardless of what anyone thinks, this has been good for the country. We are at least taking notice and hopefully we will actually take part in the next election and VOTE rather than not vote and simply sit around whining and complaining as a huge number do !!
too bad the old joke still applies "..Did you know that Canadian scientists finally discoverd a cure for apathy ...but nobody cared.."
Barry O'Connell
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Will anyone supporting the coalition, unequivocably state their support of this policy? It's a simple yes or no.
If yes, would you be willing to try and receive a mandate for this poilicy from the electorate this March?
If no, would you be willing to remove this funding for the Bloq Quebecois in the January budget? Or would you rather keep the funding for the Bloc in order to avoid an election? Or would you not remove the funding as it is a minor issue compared to other issues facing the country.
I support the elimination of all federal subsidies to political parties. I want the removal of funding to be part of the budget. If this doesn't have the confidence of parliament, I want an election.
Jeff Smith
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Kim Foster
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ian
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Bile
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Jim Swatschina
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jim, Calgary
greg, toronto
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You all need to remember that when you point your finger, three are pointing back at you.
catsrulz ontario
said
I like how you talk about american politics and saying voting for the president. I got news for you, the american vote dosnt really vote for the president thats only left too 538 ppl. those 538 ppl could put anyone in power they want even if they arnt on a ballot
Andrew in Fredericton
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The Liberals et all fell for it
Marg in Calgary
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mpdman
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Therefore, Mr. Harper would like a do-over on the Economic Statement – one which is sure to make the coalition happy. It should look something like this:
1) For Mr. Layton, we will promise to commence a major public works project by completely paving over Baffin Island (this should also make Miss May happy as the polar bears will no longer fall through the ice).
2) For M Duceppe, we will pump billions to bring back the Expos and put a dome on that new stadium where they used to play (you must promise that some of the players are local, unlike Les Montreal-Spartak-Dynamo-Canadiens....).
3) For M Dion, we will double the budget of the CBC. You will have carte blanche to their facilities, and can stop making videos with your cell phone...from Skylab.
That, plus the Particle Accelerator Atom Smashing Collider in Cum-by-Chance, should make all the whingers happy.
Dion will not attract the low-intellect voters.
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John Smith
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Harper worked with BQ to take down government.
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How can Harper sleep at night? The charlatan has personally done everything he reviles and obstructs today, starting with making pacts with the BQ for his personal advancement.
Too bad he couldn't use those same uniting skills to be a productive Prime Minister.
It's obvious that Harper will screw up again.
said
Unless, that is, Harper adopts liberal policies.
He might do that, since he has no conscience about playing politics while Canada's economy suffers.
Kevin
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Greg in Toronto
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Ronald in Ottawa
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Joe in Edmonton
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les
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Martin
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Rae is simply in a class with Leyton--two teenage bullies running around the playground picking fights. C'mon, platforming the coalition on the basis that Harper does not support Quebec because the PM thinks it is a bad move for the Coalition to use a seperatist group as a pawn. Where is the logic in that Mr. Rae?
Mary C. in Calgary
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Harper is grossly misunderstood and maligned partly because he is so intelligent, and partly because the others want power, and there's no one I would rather have dealing for Canada internationally and nationally. There is no quick fix for this down turn, and spending money willy nilly can actually worsen things long term if not thought through. Rather than expect any government to 'save' you, you should be looking to save yourself; and for government to administrate pensions and infrastructure, foreign policy and laws.
VagnF
said
These people should move to Sask or AB, there are tones of jobs.
HIDDEN AGENDA - NOT ANY MORE !
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Is that not what the opposition parties, leaders, and their supporters have been trying to scare Canadians with? Why have we not heard them mention that in the past week, during this Fiasco they created?
Could it be that they are afraid to look in the mirror, and see that their Agenda has come out of Hiding?
The creators and supporters of the Coalition should be embarrassed and ashamed of their attempt to steal the Government from the Canadian Voters.
The next election will allow Canadians to show what we think of their Lies and Deception.
CONSERVATIVE MAJORITY - HERE WE GO!!
maria - toronto
said
It is not easy being bad mouthed just because you decided to serve your community or country by becoming a politician. It takes a lot of courage, resiliance and hard work. There will always be people who disagree with you. People you can't please or help. Endless paper work... Worste people who will insult you. Most keep going because they believe in their cause or reason for going into politics.
Unfortunately politics is a game that requires give and take and strategising to try to reach your goals. All parties do this. The more the parties do this together the better for us as they are more likely to produce programs and platforms that will benefit the most Canadians possible.
This power hungry frase that is thrown at the coalition is wrongly placed. All member know their "hold on power" is limited to their cooperation and could lead to early election if they didn't work to our benefit. Quebecs want a stable Canada as much as anywhere else in Canada and would not take likely the Bloc making demands on the coalition. I have met personally a couple of these men, they would not take us down into a communist regime.
Harper has lost my trust in the way he has used his position as Prime Minister. Instead of forging cooperation between parties and country he started flames of regionalism and separation to keep his job.
Rob-FORMERREFORMER
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greg, toronto
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Harper has been VERY lucky to have had a pretty incompetent man leading the Liberals. In fact, that he hasnt been able to get a majority govt with the failures of the last two leaders...well...enough said.
With a strong Liberal leader -- which is a very likely result this time around -- it will not be long before the power in parliament shifts back to where it belongs.
Harpers days, thankfully, are numbered.
Leonardo
said
Don't you remember last Dec. the Liberal Party did not want you for our leader and chose Mr. Dion instead...
So back your dogs and stop fantasizing then go back where you spent your last 30 years or so...
Bye Bye
KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Jeff
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Alan Pater
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What part of democracy do they think is a bad idea?
Johan, Newmarket
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The Liberals should get it into their heads that the arrogance that kept them in power in the Chretien years are over. If they find the Tories too much to stomach, think about how hard it was for everybody else to have Chretien as PM. Thank God that is over!
The sky won't fall, the end is not about to come, all will be well. The coalition of doom really are just trying to hype things up so they can get their lust for power satisfied.
As for as Jack Layton, he should get into reality - most people did not vote for him. He cannot be deputy PM or anything else in government. The electorate never had any confidence in him. He doesn't have what it takes to lead the nation. Eloquence is a beautiful thing but it doesn't qualify one to lead a nation.
JON in Ottawa
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I used to vote liberal but I voted PC in the last election and may never vote liberal again. They don't respect the VOTERs and democracy. It might be legal what they want to do but its WRONG. The people have spoken. work together.
The Liberals flip flop on everything and change there mind weekly. 1 week they are complaining about going in deficit. The next week they want more spending to put us in deficit or over through the Government. They are adding to the chance of causing an economic crisis. They are going to scare everyone to cause one and then blame it on the PC's. They can't even get a video tape to the media on time how are they going to be able to run a country. OH sorry we showed up a week late for the G-20. The only thing the liberals are good at is over taxing and creating services and more government jobs. That are over paid, under worked and over unionized at the expense of us the tax payer. If we go to another Election we should have a referendom to abolish or keep this ancient law on the same Ballot.
Jeff Torbino (Toronto Ont)
said
The New Libs on the BLOC coalition will go down as the most absurd political move in Canadian history.
Prorogation of Parliament is just delaying tactic
said
Twice, Canadians have refused to give him a majority of government.
He should get the message and get out.
Dwayne Vick
said
Even the most loyal supporters of the Liberal party must be wondering what the party has morphed into.
This coalition is terrified of facing the people of Canada in an election, which is why they are trying to make the Govenor General their will pawn to sieze power.
Dayton
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Dean Brampton,Ontario
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Liberals NDP are DEAD in the next election.
Only reason Mr.Harper did not get a majority in last election was as usual.Phony scare tactics by the Libs n NDPers, and of course that left leaning media of ares.
Well now, Canadians see for themselves who the true villians are,and it's not the conservatives.Opposition parties do not give a dam about ordinary canadians,they just care about that $1.95 from Us the tax payers.
They showed their true colors,POWER POWER POWER at any cost.Even if it defies common sense or Democracy.
O and all you arm chair constitutionalists out there stick a sock in it. NOBODIES LISTING, nothing is that cut and dry when your talking about taking power from a sitting government clowns.
Revolutions have been fought over such matters.
james
said
Is he saying if the coalition brought forward a budget cutting all transfer payments to Quebec, the bloc wouldn't veto it? Is he saying that if the coalition took away 86% of the Bloc Party funding, the Bloc would support it? Is he denying the published reports that the Bloc already has guarantees of $1 Billion in extra transfer payments and senate seat appointments?
Its nonsense like this that proves Harper's point: this is a defacto coalition with separatists. The NDP have always endorsed separatists; going back to when Rae was a member of that party.
Like Layton and his lies, Rae has now discredited himself.
Voter in Vernon,B.C.
said
Lets have a PC/Liberal/NDP coalition.
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If they want to form an offical coalition government, then it should be a PC/Liberal/NDP Govenment, with limited input from the Bloc, as the Bloc does represent the citizens of the province of Quebec, better than the national parties.
Jim in Ontario
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Newfoundlander
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CanadianFirst
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With proportional representation, Conservatives would have 38% of the vote ... none of these attempts to rule the entire House. Likewise, other parties' voting power would be adjusted to reflect their actual popularity. The Greens had a million votes, over 6%, and zero say in the House... whereas the Bloc has under 10% and 50 seats. Proportional representation would FORCE parties to work together, something most Canadians have said they want more now than ever... and it would finally put an end to the issue of a united right vs a fragmented left.
Kevin Hobson
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"Our constitutional system requires the government to have the confidence of the lower House on an ongoing basis. I utterly reject the constitutional amendment, new theory the Prime Minister perpetrated this fall, which is the government can pick the timing and the subject matter of confidence. That's not the way our system is supposed to work. I think what Mr. Martin had on his side in the spring, in retrospect, was the lack of certainty as to whether the House would actually defeat him, and of course he ultimately was successful with the bribery and switches and all that. But if we had a clear, three-party opposition front to demand the resignation of the government, then I frankly think they can be removed. But you know, to have that kind of certainty, we have to have all opposition parties saying that that's what they want done and saying they want it done now." Stephen Harper Leader of the official opposition.
My how his ideas and attitudes have changed.
Steve H.
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Victor from Oakville
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Eric in Alberta
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Joe
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Goldens
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John Wilson
Bridgetown NS
Tom in Chatham
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vince in trenton
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DoasIsay
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Seth in Calgary
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Who is worse off? It seems the point that was being made was that Alberta has given its population All the tools to have a successful life. (schools, grants, loans, funding). If people haven't taken advantage of these things that's their problem. SAIT and NAIT are two of the most highly accredited Tech schools in NA. Their Engineering Tech programs will get anybody a job anywhere and have options to transfer to University.
Brett said: "how the oil money was managed" not who was in power when the oil was found. FYI: Leduc No. 1 was found in 1947, the conservatives didn't start their reign until 1971. And major spending changes didn't happen until 1993 (hence, sir Ralph). The "gusher" as you put it, was well into production before major changes happened, but it was the breed of Conservative you see in the federal Conservatives that started making changes for a better Alberta.
So the question still remains how could anybody not want to have what Alberta has?
Jeff Smith
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Scott Dick
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They want to socially engineer who will be leader. Just like they socially engineered the coalition.
Bob Rae the next Prime Minister?
The Liberal conundrum
said
Long time Liberals may be wondering if that was by design as they learn that one of Mr. Rae's long time desires was to merge the NDP and Liberal parties which is now a mission accomplished.
Liberals are no longer the party your mom and dad supported. The only ideologically similar party to traditional Liberals can be found in the Conservative Party of Canada! Liberal rhetoric is now hard to distinguish from that of the NDP.
Said all that to say this: If the Liberal party is to regain the center ground its going to take more than just their leader claiming they are centrist which isn't the case currently. Dion, Rae and Ignatieff do not reflect traditional Liberal values.
Harold Uhlman
said
Secondly, Mr. Ignatieff has somewhat distanced himself from the coalition. Now he has left open the possibility, as leader, to accepting a budget that would
be suitable for Canada and with ideas from other parties included in it. That is not only reasonable, it is the correct thing to do. If the budget is not suitable, then defeat it, not now, without knowing what will be in it. Politically, if the budget is at all pallitable, let Mr. Harper wear the recession.
As much as Mr. LeBlanc would be my choice for Liberal leader, he doesn't have time to get organized with the date pushed up. Beyond that, he is wise to live to fight another day. Time is on his side. He is wise in not letting himself get into the position of leading this coalition or fighting fiercely to defend it. In four to eight years he can then step up in another leadership race.
Margaret Taylor
said
"The hand that rocks the cradle...."
Elizabeth S. Hutton
said
310,139 signatures and rapidly growing by the seconds.
The Liberals better think long and hard before toppling this government. Majority of Canadians...Liberal, NDP, Conservatives and even some Quebecers are fuming about the coalition.
Diane M.
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Jason in Nova Scotia
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Cara - Ottawa
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Niagara George
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Stephen Harper has shown us all how desparate he is to cling to power.
The Liberals and the NDP are not the ones who will decide if there is a coalition. Just like the Governor General had to approve the prorogue, she also will be the one who decides whether we have an election or a coalition.
The only constitutional crisis is Harper's unwillingness to let our democracy proceed as it has for the past 143 years.
The bully must be surprised that the opposition has stood up to his ridiculous ideas. Again, he has let the Hidden Agenda show through.
Stop him now, while we can still recognize our Canada!
Doug --- Winnipeg
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maggy Northern Ontario
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Paul, Brampton
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Joan - Nanaimo
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With quotes like the one above it is apparent that Bob Rae, (like his NDP cohort Jack Layton, his Liberal cohort Stephane Dion and his Block cohort Gilles Duceppe), thinks the general population of Canada is stupid. They need to deal with the fact that have been defeated, not only in the election, but with the recent decision of the GG.
C'mon BOYS, lets bury the hatchet and move forward!
Miele (QC)
said
This rush to get a leader says they intend to try and take down Harper and NOT CONSIDER THE TORIES ECONOMIC PACKAGE.
Now we have a bad actors giving his .0002c worth on the political events!
Molly
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campbell
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god help us, he makes me ashamed that i live in
hudson,que
Elmo Harris
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Karen
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Oh, that's probably why Harper has done everything possible to remain in office.
A prime minister's visit to the Governor General is normally a 15 or 20 minute stop. Harper's recent request took 2 full hours. I don't think it took the GG 2 hours to convince him that porogue was a good idea. That only means he must have needed that time to coerse and bully her into his way of thinking.
Shame on Stephen! Shame on the rest of us for letting this happen to our Canada.
Edward Lee
said
If the oppostition liberals had the numbers then what woud canadians say?
They have a coalition and they just might be better that the govt. Lets tune in On Jan 26th and 27th.
Mary-Anne Brabander
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PhilipHauser
said
Heads Bob Rae "wins" and the caucus votes against the budget forcing an election where they will get their butts wiped in Ontario and the west.
Tails Ignatieff wins and cooler heads prevail with an election in fall of 2010 in which they have a chance if he can separate himself from the coalition partners.
TerryG
said
Well Vince the Libs-NDP DID it, Harper did not put it in place. And No, it would not have been accepted if Harper had done it either. Get the picture?
John Siodmok
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Maggy Northern Ontario
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Carolyn Bennett (liberal MP) is currently being interviewed on CTV NewNet. She stated that she is very much for a coalition. She keeps saying that they don't trust the current government, etc. I just don't understand the liberals. We the people obviously trust the government as they obviously won the last election.
Liberal have lost all credibility now
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So much for cooperation and waiting to hear what the economic statement has to say.
THIS IS ALL ABOUT UNBRIDLED LUST FOR POWER AND CANADIANS AREN'T FOOLED BY THE LIBERALS RHETORIC TO THE CONTRARY. THEY DON'T WANT PARLIAMENT TO WORK.
What a farce. Shame on the Liberals and NDP.
Canadians deserve better. Bring on the election.
Ron
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Elaine in Alberta wants to know
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PhilipHauser
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For heaven's sake they make it up as they go. I am going to have to get some of that coffee they drink at the parliamentary restaurant because it seems to have a hallucinegenic effect.
You can't write government strategy on a cocktail napkin
s.Hutchinson Ont
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Craig in Edmonton
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Ray Grikinis
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Ray Edm
kate
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Sam-Edmonton
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1 word - Minority.
Doris Ames
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carl
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Turn out the lights.The reform 15 minutes of fame are numbered.
wallyj
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JM in BC
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Doug
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edd-medhat
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Let Rae and Ignatief be the fall guys, and then he (LeBlanc) can take a reasonable chance at getting the Liberal leadershipand start anew.
Nick in Sudbury
said
We still haven't heard any specifics from Rae or Ignatieff with regard to how they would solve Canada's economic situation. They obviously don't agree with the direction the conservatives have taken so please Mr. Rae, Mr. Ignatieff or anybody from the Liberal party, give us a few details of how you're going to solve this global recession, and please be specific.
Hopefully we do have an election soon so we can elect a conservative majority and actually be able to make some common sense decisions, instead of trying to appease the socialists.
Mustang
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ultamatt in n.s.
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Ryder
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Pat G., GTA
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This is democracy in action folks. I cannot believe how many people lack the ability to 'agree to disagree' and lack such respect and decorum.
Murray
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Ken In Ottawa
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Like to hand them all a rifle and stick them with our troops in Afghanistan. A couple of months in that world might change their behaviour.
Next I would like to see them survive for a couple of weeks as a homeless person with no money in one of our major cities but only in winter.
For a wrap up, I would like to have them commit all of there personal assets to starting a business and facing all of the associated problems.
Maybe after all of that, they would stop acting like a bunch of immature jerks.
david matthews
said
If harper presents a reasonable budget and the Government is defeated we would probably face another election.Should we still have a minority Government we could again face some sort of a coalition.What then?
Maggie McTavish, Charlottetown
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kirk - alberta
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Mike in Sarnia
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Leonardo
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You were the only one that made some senses and now your dropping off because you want to replace Mr Dion as leader until May in case there is an election good strategy, I hope it work and then you can defeat either of your opponent at the next Liberal leadership convention...
Mr. Ignatieff nor Mr. Rae are PM material I believe that we need someone now that can take this party and bring it back to it's top place in this Country...
Agnes
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David from anywhere but Alberta
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Does Alberta have a diffferent news source?
patricia
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Tax Me, I'm Canadian
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BRUCE
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LHB in Montreal
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Martin pushed Chretien over the cliff then did not have the gumption to lead in opposition and went back to his fleet of foreign ships.
Dion has his party behind him
pushing him off the cliff by wednesday at the latest.
Now Rae is for the coalition Ignatieff we do not really know.
If I was named the next leader of the Liberal Party I would prefer to have my Party beside me than behind me any day.
Mr. Leblanc I think you are the smartest of the bunch and will propably be elected leader in saner time.
Believer in Canada
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Steve G
said
Putting the Liberals and Canadians interests ahead of personal ambition will reap dividends down the road.
Dickens
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Harold Uhlman
said
Here's one from Angus Reid in the Toronto Star. First, if an election was held tomorrow which of the following parties would you most likely support?
Conservatives 42%
Liberals 22%
Then, if Michael Ignatieff is the leader of the federal Liberal party, which of the following parties would you most likely support? Conservatives 38%
Liberals 33%
With Mr. Rae as Liberal leader Conservatives 41%
Liberals 26%
Better start the attack ads on Mr. Ignatieff now.
Darlene In B.C.
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Denis
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Moncton NB
Anne
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Bill
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Bloc will not have any power.
Who does Bob Rae think he is talking to?
When he talks about his leadership race he wants people to have choices.
When it’s the people of Canada he wants to shove his coalition down our throats.
He has already said the Government elected by voters needs to be defeated as soon as possible.
He seems like desperate man trying to grasp his last opportunity at power even if means dragging Canada down with him.
Ignatieff at lest said he would here the budget first and make a decision then.
He also mentions Canadians would not understand a party that would vote the budget down without seeing it.
Big difference to Bob Rae’s comments.
Who and what are the Liberal Party?
Gary
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JD in Alberta
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oldgal
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Gerry in Markham
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Andi
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I'm not sure where you are from, but the very slanted news media in Alberta is sickening. There has been nothing that I have seen in the papers even blaming Harper for this mess or reporting on how he did the same thing 4 years ago. They have only been spinning the talking points that the Conservative Party put out themselves.
Jim Stanton
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Wally - Albertans Get It Right
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When I read things like "the coalition creates a mess..." I really wonder where people have been. The fire was started 100% by Harper, everyone alive in Canada and the world that cares knows this. This is not politics it is fact.
Does Alberta have a diffferent news source?
I agee 100% with you, except I agree with Harper. If a political party cannot stand on its own financially with support from it's members then they should not be around. Seems the Conservatives can do this - Liberals no and NDP no - but what do except from people that only want everything for themselves.
Like they say - don't let the door hit you on the way out cause the Liberals are done for quite a while, and the NDP is finished for good. Dion gone in shame to the hinterland, and Layton back to selling used cars.
Rhea
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The Liberal Party will find Mr. Ignatieff an astute and practical leader. Moreover, Mr. Ignatieff will restore dignity and graciousness to the position of leader, whether at party level, or prime ministerial. For this is a man of vision and international experience, a man who weighs carefully his decisions, before vocalizing them.
Pastor Matthew from Saint John
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Goldens
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John Wilson
Bridgetown NS
JP
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Think it over - run
and if you dont DO not back Ignatieff
WE need NEW blood and young Blood- The Liberal party made a mistake in DION , dont let them screw up again
Bob Heaslip
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Ken from Winnipeg
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K, New Brunswick
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To the Conservative party...Mr. Harper has lost the trust and confidence of many Canadians. He told us he would put party politics aside and concentrate on the economy. He did the exact opposite by trying to eliminate the opposition by proposing political party funding cuts. He should be ashamed. Mr. Harper was unable to obtain a majority when his Liberal opponent was not popular. What do you think will happen when the Liberals bring in a new, potentially more popular leader? Time will tell. Canadians will speak once again, perhaps this Spring.
AL
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Dan Laurin Windsor Ontario
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http://www.liberal.ca/pdf/docs/081201_Accord_en_signed.pdf
The Bloc will be consulted on decisions but will NOT have a veto. The Bloc aggrees to support the Coalition on ALL confidence votes until June 30 2011.
Please no more statements from uninformed people or PC propaganda blinded drones.
Study the facts and you will realize this will give us a stable government for at least 18 months much better than mr Harper's Minority government.
dmac
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Carole, Saskatoon
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All of this anger and finger pointing is hard on the person at the receiving end, but it is even harder on the person doing it. Cool your jets!
We all need to look at this from another angle. We are getting our knickers in a knot over the possibility of an election or a coalition. It seems to me that we are asking to bringing the wrong issue before the voters. Perhaps we should request that the the budget be brought to us for our input, via votes, and not involve ourselves with yet another election until the prescribed date arrives.
The danger in that, of course, is that we may be asked to take all or nothing. One would hope that it could be subdivided into sections and we could say yeah or nay to sections, as we felt appropriate.
Just a thought.
Hassan ottawa
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gail from winnipeg
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Wayne in Moncton
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Margaret Taylor
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John Manley is right. The most pressing problem facing the nation, at the moment, is the economic tsunami that Canada is being caught up in. We didn't create it. But we're about to be swallowed up by it. The conservatives won the most seats in the House in the last election because they presented an economic plan that suited most Candians. The Liberals lost most of their support because they ran on a platform that did not resonate with most Canadians. When are the Libs, and the NDP going to get it?
The BQ is not a coast-to-coast-to-coast national party, so really shouldn't have a great deal to say about anything. They are a regional/provincial party that should not be allowed to control a national agenda.
jimmathy
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John
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Jack
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lynie
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BSmith
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-in such leaderless disarray,
-in such mismanaged financial shape,
-so morally adrift from it's Trudeau-inspired federalist roots as to become partners with separatists,
-and now virtually indistinguishable from the national fiscal nightmare that is the NDP
EVER, EVER hope to successfully lead this country through this turbulent financial time?
It doesn't matter how you voted, this is the situation. Does no-one else see this?
Rick from Calgary
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