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NDP, Bloc in coalition talks before fiscal update: tape

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CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Sun. Nov. 30 2008 5:06 PM ET

The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois held talks to form a coalition party well before the opposition's uproar over the government's fiscal update, CTV News has learned.

NDP Leader Jack Layton was in talks with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe for a "considerable period of time," reported CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife on Sunday.

Layton held a telephone-conference meeting with his caucus Saturday morning that was recorded by a Conservative member. According to the audio tape, Layton appears to take credit for the possibility of a coalition.

"Let's just say we have strategies. This whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn't been made with the Bloc a long time ago and locked them in early," Layton says. "Because, you couldn't put three people together in one or three hours. The first part was done a long time ago."

He then goes on to say that the NDP "spotted and prepared for the opportunity and had taken the steps that were required, so that when the opportunity arose, which was when Mr. Harper made his disastrous strategic error by not providing stimulus to the economy and instead playing political games, we were able to move and things began to move very quickly."

Layton also says about the Bloc: "Nothing could be better for our country than to have 50 members who have been elected to separate Quebec...actually helping to make Canada a better place."

In recent days, the Liberals and NDP have been in talks to form a possible coalition, with the support of the Bloc.

However, the NDP has strongly denied they had a plan to unite with the Bloc before hand.

"Not at all, this is absolute nonsense," said Brad Lavigne, the NDP's communications director.

Lavigne told CTV Newsnet Sunday afternoon that the "lines of communication" between the NDP and the Bloc have been open, but that there was never a "deal" to form a coalition.

"Besides, why would you cook up a deal that only took you to 87 seats?" he said. "Cleary, you don't create a coalition with the two smallest parties in the House of Commons."

NDP Deputy Leader Thomas Mulcair said his party started formal alliance discussions with the Bloc as elements of the fiscal update became public on Wednesday evening.

Mulcair added that discussions between the three opposition parties continue, despite gestures from the Tories to end the political deadlock.

"The three opposition parties are of the same view: it's time to act. And that's what this is about. We're getting together, we're structuring ourselves, we're preparing, and this is what you're going to see in the coming days," he told CTV Newsnet.

Mulcair added that the NDP were also pursuing legal action against the Tories for listening in and broadcasting a private discussion.

"We're already in contact with senior lawyers in that regard," he said.

The news comes as the Conservatives try to stop coalition talks by retreating on measures in its fiscal update, including a proposal to ban public sector unions from striking. Finance Minister Jim Flaherty also said the government would table its budget early on January 27.

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funkright
said

I definitely am a conservative voter, but now was not the time to put forward an ideological agenda; which is what occurred with the tabling of Flaherty/Harper fiscal update. Now is also not the time for a coalition gov't made up from the Liberals, NDP & the Bloc Québécois.

Jason From Calgary
said

Can't wait for the Coalition to take charge and kick Harper and his party to the back benches where they deserve to be. Time to start thinking pro-active and not re-active to world situations. Make tough choices now when its still stable not when we are the bottom of an unending pit of blackness.

Get er' done Liberals, NDP and BLOC!!! Take them down!!!

Tim in Airdrie
said

The CONS are still not heeding the words of the voting public - they must negotiate with the oposition parties to get an immediate financial package to parliament now. If they insist on doing it their way let the vote come asap & install a coalition gov't

Fran Hendrix, London, On
said

Mr Mccallum's sense of entitlement and party self-service was all to apparent. The Liberals don't like the fact that they lost the election and are using this threat of a bloodless coup to get back into control. Like with the ad scandals they are once again meeting "behind closed doors" and Mr Chretien has the ignorance to deny he understands English when asked why he was at the meeting place. Lastly, why oh why would they give the Bloc the upper hand and beg for their help to bring down a national party.

Liz Ottawa
said

You know it is as if everyone thinks if Harper had thrown a bunch of money around it would have fixed some problems and I don't get that thinking. Other than injecting liquidity into the banking system which they have already done, what good would it do to throw a bunch of money at the big three to keep them from failing, and have them give out all that money to their CEOs to fly their private jets and to the overpaid employees.

M. Cameron
said

Strike ban? It is an integral part of our freedom to assemble. It would be undemocratic to remove such a right!

Marg
said

Any bets on how soon the attack ads will begin?

The problem with this strategy is that they don't influence the Governor General, and even for the rest of us, that is just getting old.

Craig Diachuk
said

I understand the Liberals wanting to take Mr. Harper on for the funding issue of pay-for-votes. Otherwise, the hapless Liberals would have absolutely no chance of funding a leaderless election campaign, or rescue a party deep in debt. You can always tell when the Liberals are in trouble - John McCallum, Michael Ignatieff, and Jean Chretien are back in the spotlight. The only difference today is that the Liberals have formed an unholy alliance with the NDP (whom they share some common ground with) and are even prepared to jump into bed with the Bloc.

How low will the opposition parties go in this course? To ask for another $300M for election costs is just plain irresponsible. Grabbing power from the Tories may be legal, but many Canadians as myself did not vote for Stephan Dion to be Prime Minister.

I can hear Gilles Duceppe laughing all the way to Alberta.

Logan
said

This, in my opinion, is the Conservatives showing weakness. When they bark, the other parties bark louder and the Conservatives whimper. I thought they were a strong party. I voted conservative because they looked strong, but them constantly whimpering from the threats of the Liberals is making think twice on why I voted Conservative. It should be: "This is the way it's going to be and if you don't like it, go tell someone who cares." Not, "This is the way it's going to be! ... No? Okay then, whatever you say." I am getting sick of seeing Harper showing weakness just because the leaderless party of the Liberals, the blockheaded NDP who lies to its public, and the useless Quebecois get angry. Conservatives, if you want to keep my vote, show your strength and stop whimpering when the other parties bark back.


Hava
said

Where was Stephane Dion? Apparently Michael Ignatieff doesn't want the leadership of the Liberals (and coalition?) under these circumstances, and he didn't appear to know anything about the Liberal stance. That doesn't really give the Canadian people who did vote Liberal much confidence in the current Liberal leader who happens to be Stephane Dion.

RCR
said

So Jason you want the Bloc to help "take them down". Well the only thing the Bloc will do is take this country down. You think we pander to Quebec now just think what the Liberals and NDP would have to give them for their vote. Is there no sanity in this country anymore? Canadians actually hoping a seperatist party would help in what amounts to a bloodless coup of an elected government. What bananna republic do you think we live in. The GG would never allows this anyways so you Liberal supporters are out of luck until the next election.

Jay
said

As a person who voted Conservative in this past election I'm actually glad the opposition has pushed on the statement put forward by the Conservatives. Now is not the time for political parties to be fighting against each other. This was a bad move by the Conservatives. We need our elected representatives to be working to move Canada and the economy forward. While all this political gamesmanship is going on people are losing jobs.

Fred
said

The conservatives are doing an excellent job!!! Without them we would be headed towards a depression instead of a recession.
The GST cut encourages consumers to spend more which is essential to keep the economy alive.
Now is the time to cut government expenses and try to keep putting taxes down.

I totally agree that our tax dollars should not be funding parties who then waste it on meaningless attack ads.

The public strike ban is an essential step before cutting down on expenses.

Thank you Mr Harper for managing the governement so well and not wasting our tax dollars by supporting companies who couldn't manage themselves.

I hope all the short sighted lefties can understand.

Slumberjack
said

But that's what we have though, isn't it? The party subsidies scheme was purely a partisan gimmick intended to use the economic downturn as a cover to scuttle the way democracy works in this country, as was attacking out of political revenge, a group that normally does not lean conservative at the polls, the public service unions. So now, despite what they originally put forward and defended in the Commons as necessary measures for the good of the economy, it seems when their own necks are on the line, the initiatives suddenly become less of an imperative, which proves what it was all along, a partisan game meant to further their mean spirited grip on power. The Cons and their rotten agenda need to be removed by whatever means necessary within the existing electoral apparatus.

Dan in Ottawa
said

The Conservatives have had a good economic plan all along. A calm, measured approach to this economic situation is best. For the vast majority of Canadians, this is a crisis on TV only. We still have our jobs, we still have our houses, and we are still buying Christmas presents. Why do we need to go billions into deficit to prop up an economy that is doing rather well? I did not approve, however of the Conservatives political posturing - trying to use the economic situation as a pretext to screw over the opposition. That was just crass. Harper is doing well with our economy, but he does need to learn how to act like a gentleman and not a sleazy parliamentarian.

Jim in the West
said

I hope that Harper makes peace with the Opposition, as I do not want the coalition to have to give in to NDP demands to pull the troops out of Afganistan immediately, or to give in to the always unreasonable demands from the Bloc. The NDP and Bloc make interesting contributions, and should be heard, but just as Canada voted against Harper we voted against such unreasonable demands.

Jeff Green
said

If the opposition forms a coalition this would be the end of the Liberal party (or they will be bankrupt - particularily with a leadership review and potential federal election). For, if you are a liberal supporter you would be promoting NDP values - which would lose support as it is against your parties values (this is what happens when you have Bob Rae - he is showing his true colours).

Canadians voted for a party to lead the country. By the opposition forming a coalition they are going against what the people voted (which has more of an affect on democracy). THE PEOPLE SHOULD make this decision. Note some overpriced paid politician who does not like what has been tabled in the house.


art in pei
said

Coalition governments are common in many other countries. In this case the coalition would represent a larger percentage of the populace then the conservative party. I think too many Canadians think that our system works like the American system where the president is elected independantly from the members of congress. In the Canadian system the PM can be any MP that has the support of the most MPs in the house. There is no entitlement that the PM must be from the party that got the largest popular vote.

Now that Harper has had a taste of power he is beginning to sound just like a liberal - I have a right to be PM because (insert whatever reason here).

Loving Halifax
said

Having been a conservative all my life, I cannot support Harper on his "in your face" style of politics. The Conservatives have become too arrogant in their approach and it is now backfiring on them. While I do not support a coalition government, Harper needs to reevaluate how he is governing and remove Flaherty from Finance. Unless he makes some major changes, I will not support the Conservatives again with my vote.

Michael Lauer
said

Lets just give the Bloc everything they want to prop up the coalition until they figure they will be better off walking away and causing another election.

The stimulus package announced is what we need for the time being, we will see what is needed as part of the budget to be released in 8 weeks then.

Unless we are ready to write groups such as the big three auto giants a blank cheque, they need to come with a plan not just open hands saying we need more money. And we also need to know what the American's are doing as in the case of the autosector, it does not matter what we do if the Americans do nothing.

Ernie from Waterloo
said

The idea that the Liberals with the NDP support can provide a better solution to our economic problems is perposeterous. After all, the Liberals cannot even manage thier own partys financial problems which started this mess in the first place. The Liberal party is out of money and borrowed money from the banks to finance the last election campaign using the $1.95 per vote payout as collateral to their loan. So basically their policy of running a deficit was going to backfire on them with the Conservatives removing this allowance.

Although the Conservatives plan to do this was probably very good and symbolic in economic hard times, it certainly is like rubbing salt in an open wouund.

Canadian politics has turned into a game of Survivor where each party is trying to outwit each other in policy, outplay eachother in popular support, and outlast each other in financial aid and seats won.

Its time for our politicians on both sides of the floor to stop playing games and get to the matter of governing.


Wakeup Canada
said

It is nothing short of reprehensible for the Conservatives to exploit the economic crisis for political ends, fail to provide some degree of aid to struggling companies, devise a plan to solve these problems, challenge car companies to produce EV cars, inspire, and all round be a good government.

I think that they should be replaced by a coalition because if these people had a majority, they would reak so much damage to the fabric of our democracy, it would turn Canada into a republican driven country influenced exclusively by corporations. Harper is trying to do what Bush did 4 years and 8 years ago.

I am outraged that we were given a snapshot into what their real agenda is and I think its high time we just remove them from power without an election.


C. Smith, oshawa
said

How can anyone trust the Prime Minister when all he seems to do is bully the opposition at opportune times? We need a government that is ready to compromise on all issues and lead us through these troubled times. Looks like Flaherty followed his bosses instuctions and went on national t.v. Too bad he's not allowed to represent the interests of his own riding like he was elected to do.Time to change up while there are still some jobs around besides Wall Mart.


Greg in the Hammer
said

A coalition government would last about as long as a popsicle on the sidewalk in August. This isn't about the governments fiscal update and everyone know's it. Its about the slashing of gov't subsidies to the political parties. It would mean the death knell for the Liberals.

Canada is in infinitely better shape than most of our trading partners, and the government has been introducing smaller economic stimuli for over a year. As a result we don't have to enact major bail out packages.





Vickie B
said

The day after the election the Liberals where trying to figure out how to topple this government.

Now they are using the fear the Canadians have regarding the economy to do that.

I for one would like to see the PM make hard tough choices. Start at the top, cut the unnecessary spending. The political parties and perks are a great place to start. If he can save a few million there, then there is less chance of saving the millions in schools and hospitals. Get rid of the gun registry, waste of time and money. Make every company who wants a hand out to provide a financial plan showing how they will fix their internal problems before loaning them anything. If you or I borrow from the bank we have to show how we are going to pay it back.

So far PM Harper has kept our heads above water. Which is better than most countries.

Everyone that is screaming for a coalition better think twice. These people do not even get along, how are they going to run the country? They don't want the political money cut so they certainly will not cut their salaries or freeze them. So where are they getting the bucks from to fix the economy? Our pocket? New Green Tax? How about taking away our military's equipment and cutting their resources? Maybe cut out free medical care. Maybe take from the pensioners. How about cutting welfare and child tax benefits? Maybe get rid of the GST rebate. Their fix will not touch their pockets but it sure as hell is going to touch ours.


farmer fred
said

So what are the Conservative self-described paragons of all things democratic doing recording and eavesdropping on a private phone converation amongst NDP MPs? Sounds very undemocratic to me.
And how exactly did they get on the call? How did they know it was taking place? Did they in fact use the levers of government to involve themselves in this call? There are some pretty serious questions to be answered here.

I hope CTV will dig much deeper into how exactly the Conservatives got themselves this recording.

CanadianSteve
said

Layton and BQ in talks of Coalition long before this happened... Guess they will use this issue to mask their true motives. No way for Conservatives to please these guys, when their motive to to overthrow an elected government at any cost , which is the cost to all Canadians. who votes for these Guys?.

FRED--- while many fight for the Liberal, NDP and Conservatives in their comments, you are the only one so far who brings reality to the table. Good comments, hope people read those, instead of playing politics themselves.

K. Sosulski
said

It appears that Canadian socialists, under Mr.Layton, aided by Quebec separatists are set to destroy democracy in Canada. In the democratic election people spoke and their will must be respected.
Krystyna, Nanaimo

Shannon
said

The Harper cons engineered this crises to force an un-wanted election, thinking they could get a majority and kill the opposition parties. I hope the Liberal/NDP coalition, supported by the Bloc is successful. At least they have Canadians interests in mind, not a grab for more power.


Craig in Calgary
said

Why is there so much complaining going on here? First of all, it was an economic update, not a budget. It contained what it was supposed to contain, a snapshot of where the country stands right now. But the opposition is whining that there was no stimulus package. Why are they so surprised?

The Conservatives stated many times during the election campaign that no off the cuff economic decisions would be made before the budget. The update and Flaherty's announcement enforces that. Yet, a week after the opposition said that they would maintain an atmosphere of co-operation they start playing politics again with their "up in arms, ideologically-based" conservative bashing.

How is that helpful.

Also, it is agreed that a proper stimulus package cannot be brought forward until the new US President unveils what he is going to do. A true North-American package would be much more beneficial to the average worker.

But again, the opposition is playing politics and trying to grab power a month removed from the last election. An election where voters stated that they preferred the Conservatives over any other party.

Conservative Mike
said

Tim in Airdrie

Right you are friend. The Conservatives do need to remember that this is a still a minority government, mandate or no mandate.

As appalled as I am that Mr. Ignatieff, Dion, and Layton would be so willing to make an unholy deal with the Seperatists, Mr. Harper needs to be extending olive branches and compromising with these parties. The recession is a complex problem and needs a multi-party approach, not just simple supply-side cutbacks and a "don't panic, let's hope for the best" attitude...


Craig in Calgary
said

The only upside I see is that if this coalition goes through, the voters will finally see how bad the country will get under a Liberal/NDP government and we will be headed for another election in six months. Then Prime Minister Harper will finally get the majority he deserves.

Larry Todd
said

This situation is entirely of Harper's making. His political DNA is such that he just couldn't resist releasing a highly partisan and weak economic update when all public sentiment and reputable economist's analysis is crying out for a rationale, non-partisan and timely economic plan. Harper,in my opinion, has proven himself incapable of establishing a working relationship with parliament and has seriously damaged his personal and political credibility after having promised something different in the recent election. Time he became more consiliatory, or went away!

Todd - North Vancouver
said

The Governor-General can and will not let the Libs/NDP form a coalition goverment with less seats than the Conservatives. Unless the Bloc actually joins the coalition, she would just be replacing a strong minority goverment with a weaker one. A 'statement of support' from the Bloc is not enough for the GG to overturn the recent election and give power to the Libs/NDP. If the goverment is defeated in a confidence vote, she will send us back to the polls.


Dick Varley
said

I watched all of Question Period today am totally dismayed that the Liberals and NDP are so power hungry that they totally ignore the methodical steps already taken and put in place to address the issues of the economy. Jim Flaherty outlined what the Conservative government has done and is doing to provide impetus to the economy. He further pointed out that economic stability should be of the utmost concern to Canadians. Many of the government actions kick in on January 1. Long before the opposition could ever get their act together. Long before other countries are able to take action.

Unlike the Bloc the Liberals and NDP have not even proffered any suggestions as to how the economy should be handled. By not being forthcoming they further enforce the fact that they are power hungry. Canada is at the forefront of all industrialized nations. Why will the opposition not acknowledge Canada's obviously better performance? Why, in the best interest of Canadians which they all profess, would they want to rock the boat? The fictitious issues created by Canada's "natural governing party" show how desperate the back room boys of the Liberal Party are wanting to regain power.


T.B in the snowbelt region
said

How much more bullying is Harper going to do? He's so paranoid and acting like a child now that the opposition has the constitutional right to take power away from him. I'm all for a Coalition Gov't: At least the Liberals and the NDP will do something to help this country get out of this rut. We tried it your way Harper, it's not working. Let someone else try.

Bill in Ottawa
said

I think the Liberals and NDP have won this round - no scrap to political party subsidies, no ban on the right to strike, and a budget early in the new year that, presumably, will include a stimulus package.

Now they have to gracefully accept the concessions and stop the coalition talk - that's just going to throw the country into more financial turmoil and general uncertainty.

I think it was the right move, it got the Conservatives' attention, but they should stop while they're ahead.


NT
said

The PC forgets that 60% of Canadians DID NOT vote for them, so they should get off their high horse and negotiate with other parties. Their bullying tactics don't work any more. I hope the opposition parties do not back down. To let Harper get his way is simply dangerous for Canada and democracy as we know it. The PC is not in touch with the 21st century: take the environment and the economy, for example, their measures are simply not good enough for the times.

Chris H
said

This political crisis is of the Prime Minister's own making. In time of economic crisis to elect to put pure partisan politics above the needs of Country is despicable. Minister Flaherty's "economic statement" is laughable at best (projected surpluses?) and his notion that year old GST/tac cuts are in place to assist Canadians (and at this time sufficient enough) is to belittle the times we are now in. The government deserves to fall.

Lloyd Cam
said

Wow the NDP planned to do this along time ago. My Layton will make a deal with a party that wants to break up the country, the Bloc, and he will also deal with the Taliban. What a leader. How can anyone support this man?

Kevin Allan
said

Too late. Harper CHOSE to play games when he had a CHANCE to show us all what he was made of in this worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Harper cannot be trusted. Its Harper's Katrina.


Kim in Calgary
said

I hope the other parties form a coalition so that we have the majority of voters represented. Mr. Harper's minority should have been seen by him as a need to work with the other parties thereby representing all Canadians. Since he has chosen to play these little games and then point the finger at the other parties, I hope there will be more comments like those from Jason in Calgary and Logan who is questioning why he voted for the cons in the first place. As a Canadian I believe strongly that politicians must focus on issues which impact the majority of people and not just a select few. I am for a coalition if it puts a stop to these silly political maneuvers which have become the highlight of government for the past few years.


Jana in SK
said

The Liberals turned the election process into a cash generating machine for themselves and opposition parties. The more elections they can have, the more money they get (1.95 per vote). Why wouldn't they want as many elections as possible to offset their lack of ability to effectively raise their own funds?

The Canadian economic stimulus package will have to be connected in part to the American plan because the auto industry, among others, are intertwined across the border. What if we decide to bail out an auto company that the US decides to let fall? Pushing for a stimulus package prematurely is foolish and irresponsible on the part of the opposition. Their criticisms are shrill and hollow, and they should not be funded by the public purse. Political parties are not government departments, and they should NOT be funded like them.

Canada's leaned so far to the left, it's really quite scary. I want to be part of Canada, but not a socialist state!

Gordon in Sarnia
said

I am so sick of all the baloney and power politics. Who is running our country when all these idiots are plotting and counter-plotting?

We are facing very very serious economic problems and these dinks and pantie waists are diddling each other like a bunch of intellectually challenged high school kids who can't agree on a theme for the Prom.

James from Vancouver
said

Broadbent and Chretien have been talking. Patriarch's of each party were talking. Would it not be interesting if Harper's actions caused the Bloc to come home. By that I mean quell and even stop their separatist agenda.

We're half way there thanks to Harper.

Mike from Burlington
said

Liberals/NDP/Bloc take power. Funding for make-work projects is announced...oh and so is a 2% increase in the GST to help "fund" these projects. Nice scenerio eh? The Harper folks could look at cutting funding to many programs that were implemented during the "good times" and are now no longer viable financially. You know, trim the fat. Like what my family and I are doing.

sdgreen, North Saanich BC
said

So NDP Leader Jack Layton knows he can never be elected as government, therefore he wants to use the back door and take government in a Coup.

Layton lusts for power and does not care how he gets it. The NDP are very dangerous, just like Hugo Chevaz!

Stop The Madness
said

If this goes ahead, there will be less then a secretive protest in Ottawa. Appearently (as if it wasn't confirm earlier when the libs were in power under Chritein and Martin) that the libs and ndp don't believe in democracy.

Time to Rethink...
said

I regret voting conservative. This country needs more. We need an open-minded government that will be willing to cooperate with other parties. The conservatives are proving that they are not willing to negotiate. I am really surprised considering they have such a weak minority. I get this feeling that Harper is an arrogant, stubborn, almost Bush-like leader.

Chris
said

2 parties that will never have support of Canadians to form a government decide that they have the confidence of the public and can run things. Whats next, an amendment to the constitution that allows them power for years on end? Newsflash for Jack Layton: Communism fails.

Martin
said

The BQ has evolved into a Social Democratic party, with Quebec Sovereignty on the back-burner for some time. With the election of Thomas Mulcair, it is only sensible for these two parties to get their act together.

The BQ is no longer the party of right-leaning Bouchard, nor has it been for some time.

the regina mom
said

Of course Jack can take credit. He called on Broadbent to contact Chretien. And good on him! We need to rid this country of the likes of Stephen Harper, power-monger and ideologue, and get power back to the people of Canada!

Jane
said

So? Steven Harper went further than this in 2004 with then GG Adrienne Clarkson and urged her to let him, Layton and DUCEPPE form a government if Paul Martin dissolved parliament. This kind of pandering to the Bloc is nothing new. What will become the real story is how and why a Conservative "member" taped an internal opposition party communication.

Allan Eizinas
said

Looks like the whole issue of the GG role is now a moot point.

It is now 2:00 p.m. on Sunday and the political talking heads have had their say;

Harper sent Baird out yesterday to tell everyone that there will be no attempt to change the existing public funding for political parties process. Earlier to-day Baird was again pushed out into the spotlight to take more heat and announced that the “making it illegal for civil servants to strike” issue is also off the table. Just a few hours ago a subdued Flaherty announced that the budget has been moved up till January (just after everybody comes back from holidays) and implied that there will be a substantial stimulus package included. Ringmaster Guy Giorno’s e-mail with spin and talking points has been sent with a few recipients beginning to wonder what is going on.

Harper is nowhere to be seen or heard.

I guess that everybody is expected to “take one for the boss!”

I believe that all this Conservative dipsy-doodle, sidestepping and backtracking will probably be enough to loosen up the tightening of an opposition coalition agreement and that we will go into the Christmas holidays with the Harper government still in charge – shaken a little and I hope a little wiser but still in charge.

Common Sense
said

Turns out Layton and Duceppe were the smartest ones of all.

While the rest of us expected Harper to be humbled by the fact that he was only given another minority and that he would finally work with the rest of parliament, Layton and Duceppe knew full well he would return to his petty and partisan ways.

Looks like they simply prepared for the enivitable.

Mike R from Grande Prairie AB
said

It's easy: If a pure left wing coalition gov't gets in, then the west should separate immediately. Take a look at which regions voted, very few out west voted for the libs or ndp.

i understand a lot of people want Harper out, and use the fact that he only received 38-40% of the popular vote. But what of the liberals in the '90s and early millenium then? More people voted against them, than for them, why no outrage then?

The entire voting process needs to be overhauled, as well as the senate appointments.

Robinoxford
said

Mr. Jack Layton deserves to go down in history as the self serving politician he really is. Back room deals to bring down a government with a stronger mandate is not the will of the people. We need a decisive pragmatic leader and Mr. Harper "an economist" is best suited. You don't have to invite him to dinner but at least honestly look at his credentials.

Gary from Surrey
said

What is it about Conservatives (remember Joe Clark's brief reign?) and minority gov'ts? Can't they count? Have they never learned to play well with others? On Friday, Harper called for his supporters to rally support for the Cons with the public over the weekend. I've found it very interesting how so media commentators in BC have answered the call. The major Calgary and Edmonton papers have been more critical of Harper, and more importantly, have explained the issues involved more fully, than any BC media outlet or commentator. What gives with that?

D.L.
said

Stephen Harper attempting to take power without an election:

September 9, 2004

Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson,C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.Governor General
Rideau Hall1 Sussex Drive
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A1

Excellency, As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons fail to support some part of the government’s program. We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Your attention to this matter is appreciated.

Sincerely, Hon. Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P.Leader of the OppositionLeader of the Conservative Party of Canada
Gilles Duceppe, M.P.Leader of the Bloc Quebecois
Layton, M.P.Leader of the New Democratic Party

ht/ Sir Robert Bond


A non-emu's opinion
said

We don't vote for a PM.
We don't even vote for parties.
We vote for individual MPs to represent us.

Those MPs then decide who they trust to set the agenda of the government and make up the Cabinet. It fell to Harper to show he could gain the trust of a majority of those MPs. If he fails to do so and the government changes hands it's not an attack on democracy, it's democracy working exactly like it should.

Tom Lathigee
said

One has to ask if firstly, the Conservatives are capable of putting anything in sensible context. Layton's inferences can easily be construed as stupid boasting. On the other hand, why is no one asking about the shockingly unethical and pathetically immoral action of a Conservative member in secretly taping a call between members of the NDP caucus. Is this the level of leadership the tories tell us is good for us. If it is, then it's time to defeat them. Has anyone called the RCMP yet!

Daniel
said

I am an NDPer, and a former Liberal - I hate the CONservatives just as much as any left-winger should - but I, like many others, don't want to have to deal with another election over some pity reason. The parties need to start acting like adults and work together to help this country. The last election cost us 300+ million dollars and the parties are willing to risk spending that again to save barely 30 million - where are your guys' heads at? Grow up and work together. The Libs and the NDP didn't win the election, nor did the Bloc - so quit pandering like we did - but the CONS didn't win a majority so they should also quit acting like they did and shape up. An election this soon is bad news for everyone.

alexan
said

I voted Conservative because I didn't want another minority government and I am pro fiscal conservatism BUT this was crazy a fiscal package. Taking away the right to strike and other draconian ideas and using the economic crisis to say -there is no alternative - this is unmasking someone I shouldn't have voted for.

John
said

At least someone is doing some long-term planning on Parliament Hill.

Uncle Fester
said

This is bad news for the liberals. They have been drawn into this backroom deal between the socialists and seperatists.

Mike J.
said

I am appalled that the NDP and Liberals would get into bed for an intimate relationship with separatists who want to destroy Canada. Those supporting this should be ashamed.

Jeff in Winnipeg
said

And So Mr Layton shows his true stripes. Less than 20% of the country voted for his party and their ideals and so he enters into negotions with a party whose raison d'etre is to break up the country. He will do anything to get to power.

sam b
said

There is nothing wrong with the NDP and the Bloc holding discussions on these issues -- Harper did the SAME THING in 2004 with the NDP and the Bloc, and even wrote to Gov. Gen. Adrienne Clarkson, asking her to consider an "alternative" government of the opposition parties.

The NDP and Bloc knew that the Conservatives would pull these Karl Rovian stunts, and prepared properly.

The Conservatives have failed to make Parliament work; therefore, it is time to give the opposition parties a turn.

If they fail, we will have an election, but it is entirely legitimate for the opposition parties to establish a working majority in Parliament.


Ter3 Hamer
said

I have always been a large c, small c and extra large C conservative. Now, however, I am moving on -- Christian Heritage has no votes but lots of principal. Nero and Flaherty can adjust their fiddles. We needed action. We got politics.

Adrian from NE BC
said

Now the fix is in!

Imagine, Jean Chretien got back to back majorities with 38% of the vote. The Tories get a minority with 37%. It's only a slight distortion.

BUT, add a few power hungry Easterners and the odd Quebec separatist, and attempt to obtain a resipe for "change."

Amazing- the Liberals have never before co-opted separatists to obtain a ruling coalition.

Just remember, it's not what Canadians voted for.

Perhaps it's time to change once and for all the notion of elections being decided before the polls close in Manitoba.

Sign me a dyed in the wool Western Tory.


Bryn Hendricks
said

It is not unusual for opposition parties to speak about political issues and strategy in a minority situation. Each party represents a segment of voters who believe in a particular set of values, and I see nothing wrong with the three parties discussing the options here considering Harper's negligence towards the serious circumstances Cnadians are currently facing. I'd rather have a government who represents the people (a coalition would represent more than the Conservatives do) and who can get things done rather than a dictator like Harper who is more worried about dismantling the parties who oppose him than governing for the people.

Jeff Tobino
said

They were going to try to hi-jack Parliment no matter what the government said!

So much for the arguement that Harper doesn't work well with the opposition. They were out to get him no matter what.

Stealing power so soon after an election. Disgusting!
This coalition is as good as dead!

Shake Hands with the Devil
said

Grabbing power through a secret deal with a party who committed to the destruction of this country is downright obscene and could cost Jack Layton a lot of votes and goodwill across the country. I understand that he and Gilles Duceppe, ex-leaing figure in the Marxist-Leninist Party, may share views on society in general but in their current rspective political roles, that initiative is absolutely unconscionable.

Susan in Mission
said

I don't remember being asked by my MP if it was ok for him to join a coalition with the bloc! I'm Outraged and they're going to hear about it!!

Geoff
said

Jack has been planning a coalition for weeks and now he accuses Harper of playing games. All parties are exhibiting a disgusting lack of caring for the country and acting only to further their own agendas.

Shame on you all! Since you insist on acting like children, no recess for a month.

A week ago the Liberals were going to defeat the government because of their excessive spending habits. Now, they want to defeat it because they don't want to spend. Five weeks Liberals wanted to get rid of Dion right away as he was not fit to run the party, now they want him to run the party. No credibility what so ever.

erika johnson
said

Most undemocratic action by the Liberals and NDP. The Blocks wet dream, that these two parties, will hand Canada over to them. What Mulroney couldn't accomplish these two parties are trying to do. Mr. Trudeau must be turning in his grave and shame on you Justine T. for not speaking out. I am a Liberal, not any more. This colition will end Canada as we see it. People actually belived they can make a difference in the last election and voted for the first time in years because they were so disillusioned. Steven Harper is the elected PM, live with it.


itsZed
said

Im glad they where in talks, prepared, and ready to make sure that Harper was to be removed when he failed the electorate.

Worried in Vancouver
said

All rhetoric aside, I am sorely fearful for my future with the political games that are taking place including backroom talks of coalition, secret meetings and threats of mutiny.

For goodness sake folks, the economy dictates that smarter minds prevail. Please, stop posturing for power and cooperate as you promised.

Clyde from Alberta
said

I think the things Harper was proposing were actually pretty thoughtful and prudent.
He recognized the U.S. economy was in the tank and that can't help but hurt us here.
He was preparing us all for the need to tighten our belts and showing leadership by having the government in Ottawa lead the way by taking the first cut - to their taxpayer-sponsored entitlements.

This is leadership by example. Also, regarding the cuts to each party, the Conservatives were losing the most. With the money they get, they have to run the country. The opposition parties don't have that responsibility - they only need to criticize and scheme with the dollars they get from all of us.


Bob from Calgary
said

What a country we live in! The greatest economic chaos in more than a generation and all our Canadian political parties can do is posture and snipe at each other. It's disgusting and infantile. Make it work - that's what you all were elected for. Put your biases and ideologies on the back burner for a couple of years and work for the collective good of the country. Stop this vicious polorization of the nation's regions; manufacturing east against natural resources west. Throwing public incentive monies at any problem or industry without a clear-cut national (and international)plan, finite objectives, and national priorities will just be wasted. Grow up!

BSA
said

It appears the conservatives are really scrambling now. To have to resort to eavesdropping on a opposition conference call really shows their desperation and now they are pulling all the tricks and stops to make them look good again. Unbelievable.

Jeff Tobino!
said

huge difference between this and 2004 with Harper. Harper brought down the government and forced an election 2 years later. A week after the 2004 election he wasn't trying to hi-jack power in a coup to reverse the will of the people and setup a government by giving away Quebec!

BIG DIFFERENCE!

Tree Guy
said

I hope the RCMP look into the issue raised by "Farmer Fred" re likely illegal taping of telecommunications. If the Coalition works it would be the best evidence that a proportional representation system is needed in Canada. A successful coalition of three parties would at least create a government that reflect the majority of Canadians and their political choices. Wouldn't it be nice to have confidence that this could be the outcome of every election?

DWM
said

If the Liberals, NDP and BQ form a coalition government with no representation from the four western provinces (relatively speaking) maybe it's time to break up this country. These parties have absolutely no interest in saving Canada!!

Gerry in Saskatoon
said

Why are the other parties so concerned with eliminating the ~$2.00 per vote? Are they concerned that nobody will actuallly support them? If the conservatives can raise money publically why can't every party? Just lazy I guess or they know nobody trusts them with their money!

Diane M.
said

coalition with the Bloc-priceless. I love the NDP's spin on this one. They certainly did not complain when the conference call with the agricultural minister during the Listeria crisis was taped. And they talk about hypocrisy.

Cody
said

Forming a coalition government so close after an election is a direct attack on our democracy. Canada voted and chose the consevatives to lead us through these finicial troubles and that is what the opposition should let then do. It is also obvious that the idea of the coalition stemed from one part wanting to gain control and not over a concern for Canadians.

Jerry O'Connor
said

Its absolutely appauling and unacceptable to think that in this country of Canada, a losing political party OR parties would even so much as dare to think that the people of Canada would accept any coilition government NEVERMIND a coilition government parterned with a SEPARATIST one hell bent on the destruction of this great country of ours.

Such arrogance will not go unpunished in the next "demoractic" election. Those that participated in this foolish undertaking (arrogant Liberals, NDP & Block) will I predict with confidence..... not go without paying dearly for this idiotic & foolhardyness somewhere in the future.

barryh
said

As a liberal,i see lots of comments over liberals "ENTITLEMENT", this is conservative folly as no party has the right to govern over another party, however, they are just better at governing than the cons, who, blindly rule through ideology, rather than liberal practality...

Shamaro
said

I don't know what anybody else thinks, but to me this is not democracy at all!!

The Canadian people voted for the conservatives to lead the country as a minority government, however the Liberals and the NDP along with the evil Bloc are hungering and thirsting for power.

To me, this is nothing more then a coup, which is the last thing I expected in this country.

If the NDP and the Liberals think, that this is going to make Canada a better place, then they're wrong! It's all about who's in power and entitlement.

Jack Layton cares for nobody but his socialist friends and whoever else will support him. He has a hidden agenda and I'm sure will make many Canadians cringe by the time he rams it down our throat in the only fashion, that socialists know how.

Tom in Toronto
said

As a lifelong member of the NDP, I'm appalled at the party allying with the separatist, no matter how good socialists they are, to try to form a ruling coalition. You've lost my support, Jack.

LoBeau
said

Did I miss something? I don't recall seeing a Lib / NDP / Block option on my ballot. The conservatives may have a minority government but they still have the support of more voters than any of the other parties including the special interest groups that make a majority government all the more difficult to achieve.

Susan Anthony
said

I'm outraged.
I voted as did anyone else who cared about the outcome.

Now the coalition are basically saying the peoples' vote doesn't count.

The people have already chosen (via the vote).

Susan,
Rockland

Ryan
said

I don't know why everyone is up in arms about an 'unholy alliance' with the BQ. Of the four major parties the BQ actually holds the values closest to most Canadians, they have held true to their beliefs more than any party aside from the Green Party, and separatism is pretty much a non-issue at the moment. The Conservatives and the Liberals (without needing the support of the other parties) are far more of a threat to Canadian sovereignty as they are the parties pursuing further trade agreements which take away power from the federal government and hand it to multi national corporations; as our ability to protect our employment, environment and the labour standard of where are goods are produced are depleted. I don't recall the last time I heard the BQ splitting the nation of Quebec from the 9 provinces and 3 territories of Canada. And Gilles Duceppe actually seems to be quite on point these days, but maybe that is just because the other 3 major parties leaders are such a bunch of losers compared even to the last pathetic couple rounds of options.


Max
said

2 out of 3 CANADIAN voters voted against Harper. The coalition would actually be more representative. That would be democratic compare to the autocratic attempt from Harper and his MINORITY government.

Anything But Conservatives

francis gerard, halifax
said

It's bad enough that the Conservatives don't have an 'actual' economic plan, but you know what really ticks me off about this budgetary fiasco... the proposed elimination of party subsidies was a charade right from the beginning. The Conservatives knew full well that it would be a highly contentious issue among the opposition (and rightly so), but the CONS used it to their advantage anyway, in a cynical ploy to manipulate public opinion against the opposing parties.

This exercise in social engineering and public manipulation was all about optics, and had nothing at all to do with the Conservative party leading by example, nor reigning in public spending. and to see Baird (and that glib grin of his) on TV announcing that his government will 'concede' on the issue of party subsidies is laughable and entirely disingenuous.

Bill Woodcock
said

Fred
The conservatives are doing an excellent job!!! Without them we would be headed towards a depression instead of a recession.
The GST cut encourages consumers to spend more which is essential to keep the economy alive.
Now is the time to cut government expenses and try to keep putting taxes down.

Fred, please tell me that you are joking. If the GST cut is as great as you imply, why is consumer spending on the way down. Consumer confidence is going down daily. You should read something besides you CPC blurb ofthe day and see what the real Canada looks like.

Kathy
said

I moved to the east coast recently, but if this continues I will be moving back out west. After all I would enjoy participating in the western separatist movement.

Al in Rockwood,ON
said

Nero plays while Rome burns. Is Stephen Harper the Joe Clark of the early 21st century?
All parties should stop playing games and get on with providing the necessary stimulus for the economy. Start the infrastructure programs today. Good for the sort term and best for a better Canada in the long term.

Josh in Ontario
said

I don't care how much you hate the conservatives, if you liberal supporters out there favour a coalition with the Bloc, a party who's main objective is to separate Quebec from Canada, then you have abandoned your principles entirely. I wouldn't be surprised, didn't think they had much in the way of principles anyways.


on
said

Oh, those rotten conservatives. They don't care about Canadians, only about crushing the opposition....but the NDP, Liberals, and Bloc, on the other hand, they're all about principles...but wait, Jack was in talks before the Economic statement was released!!!

Coalition supporters, please spare us your sanctimonious diatribes about helping the country.

The rest of the country doesn't want to be lead by the party of Toronto and Montreal. The Liberals have always relied on right of centre support to get elected. The majority of this support is now going to the Tories. For the liberals to form a majority, they need this support, not the support of the NDP, except of course, for the short term.

Poor NDP supporters. Maybe one day you can form your own minority or even majority government...

Paul R
said

The main purpose/existance of the Bloc is to break up Canada and now the socialist NDP and Liberals are looking at forming a coalition with that party??? Give your heads a shake.

Carole Davis, Stratford ON
said

This figures. These slimy characters have had this plan in the works for a while. They should be shot down loudly and firmly by the GG. This horse and pony show of the opposition needs to end. They promised co-operation with the government so let's see it.

D
said

There is no valid reason for the actions of the opposition, except to put themselves in power when they could not legitimately get elected. A stimulus package in Canada will not repair the ills of the economy-this tactic did nothing for the US economy.
Why no non confidence vote prior to the election? Why are Jean Chretien and Ed Broadbent huddling together? Interesting too that Mr. Layton admits planning with the Bloc. Are these people actually interested in what's good for the PEOPLE, or only their own political aspirations? They were elected to do what's best for Canada-a coalition government certainly isn't it.

Scott Merrithew
said

It is the people who are attacking Harper who are turning this into a partisan issue. Take a step back, try hard to be objective, and you can see the logic behind the fiscal update.
The most glaring fact is that the pay per vote proposal would cost the Conservatives the most, since they had the most votes. Since Canada's fiscal house is better prepared for the global storm than any other nation on earth, it was reasonable for our leaders to look elsewhere to trim yet further fat and unnecessary subsidy from government and Parliament.
The collective gasket that the chicken-littles are blowing, simply encourages more people to park their brains in a jar and jump fanatically onto the latest bandwagon.
Serious people have been elected to steer this nation through an economic crisis and all the socialists/liberals can do is ramp up emotion and fanaticism.
Pray God that cooler heads will prevail.


me in ottawa
said

Harper never worked well with Parliament in 3 years and he's not doing it now either. He's only looking out for his best interest. And why are conservatives taping other parites converstations.

Joe
said

If they do not take over, we as Canadians can expect to pay the full brunt of this ression that Harper denied during the election and still does!
People are afraid. They are losing everthing they worked hard for and what is the government doing for me (us)? -Squat!
Keep helping the Big Banks and Oil Companys!! Who cares for the working Joes & Janes of this Country??
Harper - I hope you are afraid you are going to lose the egotistical power you do not deserve

Daniel Fusca from Toronto
said

Craig Diachuk: You make the rightful claim that many Canadians (including yourself) did not vote for Stephan Dion to be Prime Minister. But I will counter that by pointing out that the majority of Canadians did not vote for Stephen Harper to be Prime Minister either. In fact, a coalition government made up of Liberals, the NDP, and the Bloc would actually be far MORE representative of the voting public than our current Conservative minority. Further, it is the Conservatives who acted irresponsibly by playing partisan political games when there are serious issues at hand to be dealt with, not the opposition.


CC
said

It is appalling that people who say they support the NDP and Liberals are ok with a coalition with the very people trying to break up our country. Well, you go right ahead and have your little coalition. When the four western provinces say good bye, don't be surprised. The left thinks they have the devine right to govern win, lose or draw. Enough!!! You lost...I don't care if it is 38 percent of the vote for the Conservatives and 62 with three others. If that's the case...unite and be one party on the left. But with Liberals calling the NDP a worse case for the country during the election, and the Bloc wanting to break up the country, and the Libs simply clinging to whatever is in front of them, the NDP saying Dion is a terrible leader...it seems you are not on the same side either. Wake up!!! YOU LOST!!!


dmac
said

The Conservative Government will not fall – Any Opposition Party whip who places his party management in the position of bringing down the government over these issues on display is committing both his/her and their bosses’ political ruin.
Cutting political party subsidization is appealing to the majority of Canadians so why not put this issue on the table? It is a sign of weakness to not raise this pork barrel item and I personally disagree with the most recent decision to remove this item from the agenda. All the political parties need to get their ka-ka together and support themselves – if they cannot manage their own systems and finances without subsidies how can they manage the country’s? Self financing should be one of their first tests to pass. Susceptibility to back-door financing with-out subsidies is a red herring, if it happens throw the criminals in jail. We all have to realize there is only so much room at the ‘hind tit’ and, all of that relative sourced sustenance available should go to the less fortunate in our society, not to political parties.

Johnson
said

In a Ctv interview some months ago, Tom Flanagan helped us understand Harper's objective: Destroying the Liberal Party of Canada.

Now we know that even a global financial crisis is not a higher priority for Harper.

Greg Newsby on the Coast
said

Very angry the Conservatives backed off this one. Personally I would have been happier if they'd called the Opposition out. I really hate it when political parties flip-flop. Either you push for spending cuts to parties or you don't.

Then we have the Opposition parties destroying consumer confidence by saying Canada has a "struggling economy," or is in crisis, which in international terms is not true. The Economist wrote an article shortly after Canada's election that berated the Opposition for using the international financial situation as a "game-changing event that requires government intervention." The article goes on to warn that the Opposition is in fact playing a dangerous game which could needlessly erode consumer confidence and spark premature intervention for the sake of intervention.

So Canada, our own Opposition is creating a crisis which they can benefit from to force an election, or justify forming a coalition. And here I thought politicians were meant to represent us. I don't know what's worse Harper's flip-flopping or the Opposition's sinister intent.

Michel form Montréal
said

Bloc Québécois is a party representing Québec interest in Ottawa. Quebecois are electing Bloc MPs to protect Québec nation's rights and values but they also work with other Canadians on common values. As far as Québec's political situation, the people of Québec will decide the future themselves in Québec. People are sending Bloc MPs because they are doing a great job. Bloc Québécois MPs have the same rights as any others MPs and the party can do any coalition with any other parties. Please respect my vote like I respect yours.

RAV
said

Wow! Ain't politics fun. Let see. The Bloc has 49 seats. The NDP have 37. A total of 86 seats. Nine more than the Liberals at 77. A coalition of NDP and Bloc should leave Gilles Duceppe in control of the coalition. It is not a major leap with these numbers to see Gilles Duceppe as Prime Minister. Now isn't this a conundrum?

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