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Date: Sat. Nov. 29 2008 7:07 PM ET
The Conservatives have backed away from a contentious proposal to slash public funding for political parties, potentially defusing a political standoff that could have led to a Tory defeat in Parliament.
"I don't think it's worth going into an election over this political subsidy," Transport Minister John Baird told CTV Newsnet Saturday.
The proposed Tory policy, announced as part of the government's fall fiscal update, caused a firestorm earlier this week and raised the possibility that opposition parties would cobble together a coalition to oust the Conservatives from power.
The opposition parties have been in talks to do just that since Thursday, when Finance Minister Jim Flaherty delivered his fiscal update to the House of Commons.
The fall fiscal update also raised the ire of opposition MPs because it lacked an economic stimulus package and instead focused on cost-saving measures, including a plan to cut $27 million in annual taxpayer subsidies to the political parties.
The move was interpreted by the opposition as a sign the Harper government was trying to financially cripple the other parties.
But Baird said that the Tories were aiming to "lead by example" by tightening government spending at a time when Canadians are facing an economic slowdown.
A spokesman for Harper said the Conservatives will make another announcement on Sunday, which political observers expect will include further conciliatory measures.
However, it wasn't clear Saturday if the Conservative change of heart was enough to defuse the situation and stop the opposition from banding together.
"We've just been meeting as a group, and our focus is the economy (and) making sure that we do what's best for Canadians," said NDP MP Paul Dewar.
The Liberals were also pushing for an economic aid package from the government.
"The Conservatives just don't get it," said Liberal house leader Ralph Goodale in a media release.
"What Canadians want from their government is a plan to help protect their jobs, their homes and prevent their hard-earned savings from disappearing."
Meanwhile, the gamble to cut down his political rivals may have backfired on Harper, said CTV's chief parliamentary correspondent Craig Oliver.
He added that with the Conservatives backing down, the opposition parties have become strengthened.
"They realize, in a way that they didn't before, that they are in a position to bring this government down and take power without an election."
However, Oliver stressed that the coalition would have been a messy one, and would have required all of the parties to make major concessions.
A coalition would likely include support from, rather than full participation of, the Bloc Quebecois.
Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean would then have to decide on whether the coalition should be given a chance to govern, or if she should dissolve Parliament and send Canadians to a second election in less than two months.
On Friday, Harper delayed a non-confidence vote on the economic package by one week. He has derided the opposition attempts to form a coalition, despite trying to do the same thing in 2004 to oust Paul Martin and his liberal minority.
In an interview with CTV Newsnet, Democracy Watch's Duff Conacher said Harper and his Conservatives are playing political roulette.
"The opposition has called his bluff, because they know he doesn't really have a strong hand," he said, adding that the Tories only captured 37 per cent of the popular vote in the last election.
"He doesn't have that strong hand, and he's done a very poorly timed, aggressive, highly partisan and ideological move with his fiscal update."
"They went too far as they usually do, and they've poked the opposition parties in the eye."
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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Percy
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Norm feldman
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dan in ontario
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Marc L. D'Hont
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I have never witnessed such a despicable arrogant behaviour from any political party as I have now by the Liberals and NDP.. In my mind the Bloc Quebecois don't even enter into any discussion in this forum as all they want is to feed at the public trough on our backs..
It's time to wake up Canada and smell the coffee... The Liberals and NDP will do anything no matter what the cost to the Canadian Taxpayer to get control and run this country into the ground... Maybe they want us to become a "third world" economy!....
This is sick!
True North
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Allan Eizinas
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The decision making process of a coalition government would certainly not be PM dictated. That being the case, does it really matter who would be the titular head since he would probably have the same power as any other member of Cabinet. It could be anyone who the new caucus chooses.
I would suggest that the decision making process to be the base of the many discussions that are currently taking place between the liberal and NDP camps. I suggest that the Bloc will sit out knowing that it has basically the veto power of any legislation.
I would like to be a fly on the wall on the offices of members of the Conservative caucus. I wonder how many of them were even consulted about Harpers plans and how many were also surprised by Flaherty’s remarks. If public opinion does not change quickly to support Harpers interpretation then Mr. Harper better start to watch his own back.
We are only three and a half months away from March 15. It was on that date that another leader who ruled with an iron hand proved vulnerable.
Look for many Conservatives, past and present, to have a serious talk with Harper. I would not be surprised that the Conservatives announce that they will cut only some small percentage from public funding for political parties and guarantee that a stimulus package in the $billions will be presented within the month – then everybody will go home for Christmas.
Jan
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Bobby
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Imagine a coalition with Jack Layton in charge of Finance and Gilles Duceppe holding the deciding vote.
KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Paul R. Martin, Brampton
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Sameer in Vancouver
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"As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons fail to support some part of the government’s program. We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority. Your attention to this matter is appreciated."
It was signed by three people: Gilles Duceppe, Jack Layton, and Stephen Harper. That's right, Stephen Harper signed a letter in 2004 asking the Governor-General NOT to dissolve Parliament in the event of a defeat of the Liberals, and to allow an opposition-led coalition Government. So why isn't Harper telling us the truth, which is that the only reason he thinks Stephane Dion shouldn't form a coalition government is that it would leave Mr. Harper in the cold, and he is more power hungry than the "arrogant Liberals" he made his career attacking.
Bob B
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Cam in Grande Prairie
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Secondly...How many hundred million dollars will it take for the Liberals and NDP to bribe the Bloc into forming a coalition??? Oh, they are plying with dynamite here folks!!
Western Canada Concept is about to be reborn in the west. We will not accept a large bribe to a Separitist party based in Quebec that clearly wants to leave Canada...What a total joke!!!
Liberals, NDP and the Bloc are complete morons if they think the West will accept this in any way. I can see a very interesting scenario unfold here...The Liberals and NDP are about to self distruct very quickly once Canadians realize what it is they are trying to pull off here.
Separatists governing Canada...Yeh...Right!!!
RRR - Lethbridge
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Mr. C. in Red Deer
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Bryan Llewellyn, Ladysmith, BC
said
The comment about insults to democracy run hypocritically hollow when you consider that Harper welcomed Emerson into his party with open arms.
Justin
said
A coalition government would be the best thing for Canada, a government that had to compromise for the best wishes of all Canadians, not a cavalier (faux) Western'er who tries to govern with a dictatorship!
Long live Leader of the Opposition Harper!
Marg
said
Blathering on by Harper that this isn't fair just makes him look like a whiner. He can dish it out, but he can't take it.
DB Cooper
said
If you think that this is a despicable act, what do you say to the fact that the Conservatives under Stephen Harper attempted the very same thing in order to try to get rid of Paul Martin? And what is Harper's response? Instead of trying to work with the opposition, he's planning on another media smear campaign; the only thing that he's apparently any good at. Harper has absolutely nothing to offer Canadians in a time of economic crisis and all he can do is point fingers at the opposition?
Harper does not have the backing, nor the trust of the majority of Canadians. If the Liberals had a more charismatic leader in the last election, they would have knocked Harper and his obedient little puppies back to Alberta where they belong.
JS
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Since 2001, the Bloc has had an average of 5,500 donors per year. Between Jan.1 and June 30 of this year, they have had 1,070 donors. In 2007-08, the Bloc and its candidates were reimbursed by Ottawa for 50 per cent of their election expenses, and the party itself received federal per-vote subsidies based on the 1.5 mil-lion votes they received in the 2006 election.The rest of Canada had funded separatism to the tune of $5,970,311. And what were the separatists prepared to cough up for their francophone destiny in that 18 month period? Just $503,676.
It appears Conservative supporters believe in the party enough to send in money. In 2007, 107,492 of them did so, and a further 78,178 in the first six months of 2008, for about $25 million. In the same time, rather less than 45,000 Liberal donations netted about $6 million.
The NDP does fairly well for themselves. Time to put a STOP to this. ALL the parties should learn how to raise their own funds and NOT rely on the taxpayers to fund their parties.
Joanne from Northern Ontario
said
Instead of blaming the opposition members, Conservatives better pull their socks up and come up with something much more effective and appropriate, right NOW!
The beauty of democracy is that it offers unexpected solutions/opportunities in dire situations, such as we are in presently.
Darcy O'Neil
said
Coalition governments are quite common around the world.
tc
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bruce nicolson
said
We have one party with substantially more seats than any other party and they should at the very least be allowed to present a budget in January. The opposition can defeat it and send us to another election, NOT form a coalition that no one wants.
Kevin
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Al
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All four need to sit down, roll up their shirt sleeves, and figure out a way to make this work going forward.
No one political party was given absolute authority, because the Conservatives won a minority,which means they must listen to, and work with, the opposition parties when decisions are to be made.
Mr. Harper needs to prove to the majority of Canadians that he deserves to lead a majority government, not cripple the other parties financially so they cannot compete in an election against him.
MDM
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Gary from Surrey
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Brent
said
He finished last 2 ballots in a row (quite a feat) in the final federal PC leadership race. Then he supported the most pro-merger candidate; Jim Prentice. Finally he left the Tories when the merger happened.
And while criticizing the Tories, NDP and Bloc for supporting a non-confidence vote he now supports the Liberals, NDP and Bloc in a coalition that would choose their presumptive PM in a backroom.
Catherine
said
Well let's see, if one cares to listen to Iggy, Rae, McCullum, Dion, and every other Liberal - one hears the same talking points: Stephen Harper doesn't have a plan; Stephen Harper did do enough to prepare Canada; Stephen Harper squandered the surplus; Stephen Harper is evil (oops - those are talking points from the Libber groupies).
Dean from Edmonton
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I would assume that a coalition government would be far more democratic than that of the Harper Conservatives. He is the PM, the leader of his party and since there is no revolt over this style then he continues to function well through its use.
Allan, although your comment does have merit, it really has no bases. Sure, 68% of Canadians didn't want a Conservative government, but less wanted the Liberals, and even less wanted the NDP. Add to that Harpers approval rating was higher than the actual seats gained.
The Bloc won't vote with this coalition without the "What's in it for us" clause, which leaves the following numbers....
Conservatives 143
Liberal NDP - 114
These parties proved they have nothing in common last election, it's doubtful the Gov. Gen. will even give them a mandate to rule even if the Bloc did decide to join....
Aidan
said
Anyone who says that a coalition government is undemocratic is being dishonest or doesn't understand the Canadian (British Parliamentary) democratic system.
B. Lang
said
So quit the BS and remember your PROMISE of how in this new Minority Governmemnt you would work with the other Parties.
Ryan
said
The prime minister is not the the sole decision maker in a party...
Dave from Winnipeg
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Paul Sigmundson
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Matt from Oshawa
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Rob in Oxford
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It would only be just if in a new election this coalition ran as one party.
Allan Kuan, Vancouver, BC, Canada
said
I also don't see why a coalition should not be formed. A party who has more seats but is in minority should not expect free rides. And sadly Stephen Harper expected one with the economy crisis. As well, the party with the most seats in a minority situation SHOULD NOT be seen as the one given governing power. You should only look to Europe to see examples of coalitions in power....
Ian from N.B.
said
I welcome our new coalition.
cantuc
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junkyard dog
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Rob Delaney in Victoria BC
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This is a grab for future power by Harper, plain and simple. I didn't vote for him, but I don't mind him as a minority PM. What scares the heck out of me is his neophyte tinkering with taxpayers monies to political parties (which I support, and the reason I do is I want to know that no undue influence is coming from corporate Canada or high rolling party hacks from any party). This whole thing disgusts me and he does it at a time when the Liberals are at a distinct disadvantage. Political Opportunism at its worst Mr. Harper, shame on you, you are NOT doing what you should be doing as a PM, you are STILL fighting an election that gave you a minority and you try to turn it around and blame the opposition. Whoever is counselling you is WAY off on this one! If this succeeds I will work for almost ANY opposition party to stop this type of Bush style politics in my country by Harper! Earn your respect Mr. PM and stop acting like a spoiled child who only got half the marbles.
Tanstaafl
said
This makes me feel a little better about our system.
I was upset when the popular vote meant nothing and the conservative party was elected. Its nice to see the opposition growing a back bone. I hope they don't blink.. They are all elected officials and if they form a majority government then its the government the people elected.
Harper's defense is laughable.
Typically petty and politically motivated. Talking points and a media blitz?
He should have been working on cooperating from day one instead he's a political opportunist.
DD from Ottawa
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John Dingly
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That aside, it is important to address the real reason behind the opposition threats. This is about money, taxpayer's money, going to support political parties. Democracy is supposed to be about parties convincing their supporters to ante-up with donations. If these parties are unable to do so then it is their problem, and it speaks volumes about their lack of pull with voters. MY money is not to be used to support a political party unless I want it, through direct donation.
Harper is correct in his attempt to fix this government gravy train introduced by Chretien and his cronies to ensure Liberal supremacy. His timing is also right.
Richard Murray
said
But then, Mr. St Laurent was a CANADIAN first, a Liberal second.
Carole Davis, Stratford ON
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Willy from the West
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Paul
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Back to the subject on hand. The Conservatives need more stimulus for the economy. Then perhaps the opposition parties will try and cooperate.
YEB
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Gilles Lebrun
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A very interesting idea!!!
Pat_from_Mississauga
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Conservatives should DUMP HARPER. His arrogance and mismanagement has cost the Conservatives a majority in the last election and he has just cost them a minority now. For goodness sakes - replace Harper with Jim Prentice, Peter McKay or anyone else.
Harpers Fault
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james
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CITIZEN
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Harper and the Conservatives are asking Canadians very clearly to be accountable and be responsible for their actions and family security without any expectations from the government beyond federal administration duties.
If you want someone to live your life for you folks...go to North Korea or some other socialist empire. Let Harper get on with the job of stabilizing this country.
brenda
said
I want to thank PM Harper for bringing this all to light! There is no way in the world we want to see some strange coalition government running the show in these perilous times!
Greywolf
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neilpk
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Greg Townsend
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Wilf Day
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Kevin
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Allan Eizinas
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Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson,
C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.
Governor General
Rideau Hall
1 Sussex Drive
Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0A1
Excellency,
As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister
to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons fail to support some part of the government’s program.
We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We
believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the
opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising your constitutional authority.
Your attention to this matter is appreciated.
Sincerely,
Hon. Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P.
Leader of the Opposition
Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada
Gilles Duceppe, M.P.
Leader of the Bloc Quebecois
Jack Layton, M.P.
Leader of the New Democratic Party
Rob in Edmonton
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Yes, the opposition parties are upset about the potential cut for party funds. My understanding is that Conservatives are able to raise funds more easily, as they have supporters with more money. So, this move would not affect the Conservative party to the same degree as the Liberals or the NDP. Do you really want a political environment where only the rich have an advantage? Wouldn't this restrict opportunities for democracy? However, this is just one of the concerns that the opposition parties have to the conservative (minority) government's plans.
Ward, Abbotsford BC
said
We need stability not game playing by the opposition.
Brent - Penticton
said
The Government has already dealt with liquidity problems with our financial institutions and infrastructure funding is not an instant fix.
Stay the course Mr. Harper, and please cut the $1.95/vote. The new party NLD, would have so much infighting among the potential leaders that the back benchers would revolt and become Independents or cross the floor to become Conservatives. We need a country with ALL political parties working for ALL Canadians.
John E
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Linda Ballantyne
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And, we maybe ALL should be thinking long and hard about how we want our tax dollars spent! Belt tightening goes over far better if it starts at the top and works it's way down. It shows that the top dogs maybe do care and do want to cutback.
I'm sorry - but I don't see that concept with the Lib/NDP/Bloc - they are in it for the gravy! Never mind that there are getting to be more and more of us who can't afford much more than the basics!
DJ Ottawa
said
Canadians did not vote for a coalition government of Liberals and NDP. If the Liberals and NDP want to run the country together, then fine, they need to do it fairly by running as a joint team in the election and presenting this to the electorate as an option. That is fair and reasonable.
Canadians were misled by these two parties and this amounts to hijacking democracy through party deals. Who has the secret agenda now?!
And for all those Liberals who think this is a brilliant idea, think twice. Working with a separatist party? Working with socialists? Not only will this alienate the West for the foreseable future, but it could also destabilize the country. I don't live in the West, but if I did, I'd be thinking of separating from this mess.
Jake in Ontario
said
Canada needs stability in a period of economic turmoil. The Liberal and NDP are eager to form a coalition with a separatist party. It is critical at this time that Harper get a majority mandate that will prevent the liberals from casting this country into turmoil!
PM Stephen Harper is the prudent, responsible, and proven leader who is needed to guide Canada through a period of global economic and social chaos.
God bless Canada and its people in this difficult time!
JP Barrie
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Stimulus package
said
DH
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To everyone that says "$30 million in savings is a drop in the bucket, why bother - it's just Harper being mean" - give you head a shake. $30 million saved is money saved.
The Libs and NDP have shown their true colours, and the Bloc, well they never hid theirs. They can't raise money themselves, and have to rely on handouts from the taxpayers. How can I expect them to run the country in a fiscally responsible manner when they can't even keep themselves afloat??!!
Kat in Canada
said
The only way for this to happen is if they receive support from the Bloc. The Bloc leader has said repeatedly he will only support programs that are good for Quebec.
The Bloc currently receives 86% of it's funding from the Canadian Taxpayer so they can continue to try and destroy this country. They are also the province that receives the most amount of transfer payments.
And now, because the Libs and NDP don't want to use their own fundraising machines to raise money for their own party they are going to give the Bloc the balance of power?
Why should the Canadian taxpayer fund this separatist party?
Wouldn't $30M provide a lot of supplies for homeless shelters this winter? During this economic crisis while we are all reducing our budgets, the same cannot be said about our politicians.
Fraser
said
I am tired of paying for the political musings of ALL parties concerned and the fact that my taxpaying dollar pays for those musings.
What the Harper government is proposing is that the public funding for all parties cease and desist. This was made into a firestorm pointing to the conservatives not handling the economy properly and therefore bringing down the government. The fact that the liberals and NDP played a shell game and diverted the attention of ALL involved away from the real agenda of the taxpayers monies for the political parties. Are they all that power hungry?
Is the liberal party that desperate for funding? Must be......
Martin
said
Harper went to GG Clarkson in 2004 asking that she look at other 'possibilities' than an election should the Paul Martin government be brought down. Now, he is calling the prospect of a fully constituted coalition government 'undemocratic'?
Get off your high horse, Harper.
Daniel
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Don in Canada
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Melanie Terrace BC
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Liberals have much more in common with Conservatives on economic issues, than they do with either the BLOC or the NDP. If they get together with the BLOC and the NDP I think it is a mistake to assume those who usually vote Liberal wii be happy with this arrangement. There are quite a few conservatives in the Liberal party, who would likely go to Harper the next time. And many Liberals who would be appalled by them courting the separatists just to get back in office.
And,if this economy goes south in spite of this new coalition, Liberals will be in the wilderness for decades.
Steve in PEI
said
As far as I'm concerned, the opposition is completely within its rights if it wants to take down this government. People will forever compare Stephen Harper's minority government record to that of Joe Clark, another who thought he could govern with a minority as if he had a majority. Unfairly, because at least Joe Clark was a decent person. After this display I shudder to think what Harper would do if he actually had a majority.
Jim K
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Kathy
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As a Canadian voter & taxpayer I am weary of the arrogance and the sense of entitlement of all Canadian politiians, which, once again, has thrown our country into turmoil and more instability. Why should we be paying subsidies to political parties, why should we be paying for free air flights for polititians families & friends,paying for massages,meals,their extra healthcare,fat pensions etc.,etc.
Give US a break! GROW UP and start WORKING to help ALL Canadians not just YOURSELVES!
Jerry
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Dave from Calgary
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sonny
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If the libs make a deal with the devil what a mess that will stir up!
This is why I don't put much hope in the political system! They are all in it for their own!
Richard R., Grimsby
said
Our first-past-the-post system is archaic and only the UK, U.S. and ourselves use it. By proportional representation the Greens should have had 22 seats and a player in any alliance. It is sad but I doubt that we will change. Well, just maybe one day! We have a shameful record with our poor, aboriginal people and most things which effect the have-nots in Canada.
The old lady
said
What economic package have the so called colition settled on? When will they be ready to present it? Not before late January or early Feb. This is the same time that our present legally elected government is going to present us with a package. If Jack Layton becomes PM most big industries and companies will run like a olympic sprinter out of Canada and off shore to make their products. Dion was clearly rejected by the Canadian electrotate and is resigning as head of his party. Duceppe has said he will go along if Quebec gets the lions share of things. He clearly wants to take Quebec out of Canada. There is not much can be done until we find out what the New President of the USA is going to do. Every one knows that 90% of our product goes to the USA our biggest trading partner. This is a sad day for Canada if the Governor General accepts this coilition.
Steve G
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Gord from Guelph
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Cory - Toronto
said
This is all about the Liberals not being able to handle losing.
The Liberals have the lowest showing in the history of the party and now they want to simply take power away from the winning party. This is a very scary slippery slope. People better take this very seiously, and realize what it means. Scary indeed. I wouldn't want the Conservatives doing it either if it was reversed.
I can just imagine what will happen in western Canada. There is no way on earth the 4 western provinces will stand for it.
Tom from Toronto
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Mike in ON
said
In opposing this, the opposing parties have played their cards - they're either unwilling, or unable to exist without handouts - which, to me, says that their so-called 'supporters' can only pay lip service, whereas Conservative supporters SHOW their support - and because of how the rules work, those donations come from the PUBLIC, not from 'big oil,' or 'bay street,' or whatever you want to claim.
The thought of the Bloq holding the balance of power, not to mention Dion/Layton with ANY sort of power, is frightening!
bonnie
said
If the goverment is now NOT defeated,then it was thier entitlements,that they were willing to have an election over?
Shay
said
Nick in Gatineau
said
The minimum that I ask from my MP, and any MP for that matter, is that he or she know and understand democracy.
The minimum that I ask is that he or she is capable of reconcilling international and domestic law to make life for Canadian citizens better on both playing fields.
The minimum that I ask is that government establishes basis rather than retrict it.
The minimum that I ask is that MPs realize that they represent us, not the other way around.
The minimum that I ask is that ideas make my own, and my neighbor's ideas grow. Give me something to respect where government is going. Make us dream of something, be it with pride, ambition or even anger... as long as it is full.
Harper is 0 for 5.
Julius Jagersma
said
gar
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Niagara George
said
37% of the popular vote is not enough to say the country supports every decision you make.
Harper needs to be realistic and think about the election results. At the very best, Canadians selected his party to lead a coalition of party policies. If he sat down with the other leaders and had true discussions with 'give and take' he probably could work out some very important policies for these difficult times.
Since it is doubtful he could do that, the Liberals and NDP must be praised for working together to keep these neocons from destroying our democratic principles.
I wonder why John Baird got stuck with doing the "Back-Down" announcement. Perhaps Steve was out job hunting. Wouldn't it be fun if he was gone, before Stephan Dion?!
Sean - Ottawa
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George from Brampton
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shelley
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Dave from Bowmanville
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AJ
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Sam
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Donald MacDonald, Sydney, N. S.
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Paul B.
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Now this is where your math is flawed. Conservative's ran 308 candidates. The wanna-be coalition ran more than 970, so, ya, sure they would receive more votes.
Funny no one used the same argument when the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Coservative's ran in the same elections, getting a combined vote of more than the Liberal's.
Bill
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Sudbury Citizen
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MHB
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