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Date: Wed. Nov. 26 2008 5:30 PM ET
Toronto Mayor David Miller took another stab at waste reduction Wednesday when he officially proposed that a nickel charge be placed on every plastic bag taken from grocery stores.
The mayor told reporters at a news conference Wednesday morning that he had the support of executives with the supermarket industry, particularly Galen Weston Jr., the head of Loblaws.
No Frills, Loblaw's low-end chain of grocery stores, has long had the nickel-charge policy in place. Many locations offer their customers carton boxes to pack their groceries instead.
"This is a major step forward in our efforts to reduce waste," Miller said. "The city approved a set of recommendations designed for the city to meet its goal. The recommendations are bold but our targets are ambitious and require bold actions."
Toronto, as part of its waste-diversion goal, has vowed to divert 70 per cent of the city's waste from landfills. In 2007, Toronto diverted 42 per cent of its waste.
This new plastic bag proposal comes weeks after city councillors sparked a heated debate over a plan to have retailers offer a 10-cent discount to customers who bring their own bag to carry groceries. Other ideas included banning coffee cups or offering a 20-cent discount to customers who brought in their own coffee mug.
Critics panned the idea, saying it was unworkable because it would cost retailers millions.
"Since the last meeting we worked with retailers and we reached an agreement with the country's largest grocery retailers," said Miller. "To level the playing field, we are using a charge rather than a rebate to discourage the use of plastic bags. Grocers, in turn, have committed to reducing bags in distribution."
The charge, if passed by council next month, could be put in place by June.
Miller said a 2005 study shows an average household in Toronto generates about eight to nine plastic bags each week. That totals about 460 million plastic bags each year, with most of them landing in landfills.
The mayor said even though the city is going to start accepting plastic as a recyclable item starting Dec. 8, people still need to emphasize their eco efforts on reducing rather than recycling waste.
"It's environmentally sound and cost effective to reduce waste rather than recycle," he said.
"What's bad for the environment is waste and what's bad for business is waste."
They mayor said he's hoping retailers in other industries will implement the charge as well.
City council is scheduled to meet next week to discuss a host of ideas meant to reduce waste and tackle unnecessary packaging.
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Perhaps this will knock some sense into parents who let their children drink soda pop. We have two daughters, ages 6 and 8, and we are shocked at how many of their friends regularly drink pop. Our girls probably have had 5 glasses of pop in their entire life!


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Toad
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Stu
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Shamaro
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Sure, we all understand the nature behind all of the environemental protection and all that, but why would he come up with a concept like this when the economy is about to go into the tank and people's jobs are at stake.
I know we're only talking about a few cents here and there, but it's still gouging into small business and people's pockets which they just cannot afford.
MP
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My wife and I use canvas bags or backbacks.
I do wish the manufactures could seriously rethink their packaging strategies. This too would help curb waste.
Toby
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The city has much more pressing problems that should be dealt with.
Middilay
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We now have bags for our food waste that is bio-degradable. Wouldn't it be smarter to just have them made a bit stronger and then they can safely be disposed of. The reality is that people who aren't environmentally conscious will just keep buying bags and sending them to the landfill. Find a solution to the problem not just tax it!
Craig
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I think the City doesn't always come up with good plans but this has to be one of their more workable projects.
Roger T
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Why stop there....put a fee on each and everything......not sure if we're living in a free society or a communist society.
If businesses already have the power to price their merchandises to sell to the public the price of the bags are already added onto the items. In the name of environmentally friend the Gov't & businesses are using this as an excuse to put fees on everything so the consumers pick up their tabs.
If there are anymore fees we ALL better start shopping at all once so the economy can get any worst, but than again blame the politicians who impose these taxes and fees.
Kevin
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Steve the Pundit
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The mayor would make a much more impactful statement on the importance of the "environmental legacy" we leave behind if he stopped flying all over the world to these photo-op conferences. One round-trip airfare is responsible for more GHG emission than the average car puts out in ONE YEAR!
And how seriously can we take the idea of "reducing plastic consumption" when the city bought all of these new garbage bins (from a U.S. supplier, no less) made of VIRGIN PLASTIC (not recycled)!
Seriously, this mayor needs to be taken to the curb.
recycle
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Kevin
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JP in london
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Jay
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USE CANVAS BAGS
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Just start taking canvas bags to the grocery store. It's not that difficult and it's better for the environment.
Pam
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Sylvie in Ottawa
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Instead of whining about a tax grab, do something concrete to help the environment. Stop pretending that your actions don't impact the amount of garbage going to landfills.
Or, just get ready to pay more taxes when the landfills are full and we have to keep trucking garbage further and further away. Act now or pay later; it's your choice.
Anne Ottawa
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Kevin in Fredericton
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Jeffrey
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karl
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We are in one of the most turbulent economic times in history. Miller's having a news conference about plastic bags. We all agree the environment is important, but right now this mayor should be lobbying for infrastructure funding so jobs can be created and the crumbling city of Toronto be fixed. Sure he talks about rapid transit yesterday, but what about traffic congestion.
Is it not obvious that better maintained roads, that lead to better flowing traffic, is better for the environment than getting rid of a few plastic bags??
If you never had plastic shopping bags, you would not have bags for food recycling. You would have to go buy them anyway.
Maybe city councillors should join together and have common sense press conferences.
Krista
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nc in alberta
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re-learn to do without as a service to the planet.
Personally, I think we should just ban them outright in favour of reusable bags.
If a store feels it want to offer single use bags then make them use paper or the cornstarch based "platic substitute" which are both biodegradable. Still have them charge a nickel for the privilege in order to encourage people towards reuseables.
For everyone who whines this is an unfair burden, that's a load of cr*p.
If you're on a planned shopping trip, just bring bags.
Even if you're not planning to shop, follow my elderly Mother's example. She has always carried a folded up, compact reuseable bag in her purse "just in case" she makes an unplanned purchase while out.
Really if we can't learn to do the same, how lazy, self-focused and stubbornly set in our ways have we become if this presents a real hardship to anyone.
Anyhow to those who have complained, get over yourself, reuse, recycle and rethink your place on the planet.
the more, the better a dollar?
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DO
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Millar continues to show his disdane for families
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USE CANVAS BAGS
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Learn for yourselves why there's absolutely NO QUESTION that it's a good idea to try and either massively reduce or get rid of these things altogether.
It won't infringe on your lifestyle or comfort in any way whatsoever to play a role in helping to phase them out.
Here's the deal: Just USE CANVAS BAGS!!! Then you don't have to pay 5 cents for plastic ones! You can keep that precious nickel for the... well, whatever necessity it was you were saving it for. The bubble gum machine?
Pat
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If you want to reduce waste, charge $1 per plastic bag used, motivating folks to spend a bit more on the canvas/re-usable ones, and once their available plastic stocks run out, DON”T PURCHASE ANY MORE, and there will be no choice but to purchase the re-usable ones, therefore eliminating plastic bags completely.
It seems politicians/government people these days are finding it REALLY hard to think of something USEFUL to propose the public.
Lucinda in Alberta
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recycle
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Patrick in Toronto
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Why not give the consumer a discount for not using a plastic bag?
ANSWER:
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Big business doesn't want to spend money.
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| THIS IS B.S. |
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Ryder
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K. Biegel
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I live abroad in Germany here the shopping bags cost money. Always carrie a cloth or plastic back with you all the time, because you never know when you go shopping.
MJ
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Wake up everybody bring your own bag like your Grandparents use to and stop complaining. We have more garbage than food on the table
Prof. Pye Chartt
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Show me a "symbolic" proposal, and I'll show you another bogus idea that fails to properly address the issue at hand.
In this case, most people will simply pay the extra 10, 15, or 20 cents for the unbiodegradable plastic bags that are the problem. I already make use of biodegradable bags for the "green box." Stepping up the technology to encompass basic grocery bags makes too much economic sense, I guess.
Miller and Toronto City Council always have a million ideas...unfortunately, few are sensible or worthy, and none address their massive annual waste of taxpayer money.
biso
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Sahib Reginawale
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John Connolly, Pitt Meadows
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Vote NDP in the next federal/provincial election
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I remember when Knob Hill Farms (grocery chain in Ontario that closed in the late 90s) when they distributed black baskets. It sure saved a lot of plastic bags from going to landfill.
Calgary 12
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Big Jim
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Toronto is going down the tubes. $76 Million in bike lanes when your streets like Gerrard St. is like driving across a frozen ploughed field. Not to mention your water mains that 100+ years old and $40 million to face lift Nathan Phillips Square, for what? Not to mention the funding for Union STation that they can't afford either. Just more examples of why Miller and his little band of financial henchmen need to get a grip on reality.
And to Roger T., give Miller enough time and he will find a way to tax breathing.
Right on Prof. Pye Chartt!
Enjoy what you got Toronto, because we are!
philoldgoalie
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Margaret(sick of paying extra, extra, extra)
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please understand it is not the bags and the 5 cent charge that is bothering most people, including me.
It is the fact that everytime we turn around, we are being charged for things based on making our city "Green".
All these extra charges are doing is making our city more expensive to live in. If the money from the plastic bags was used properly and was put towards our city to become "green" I would not complain. But we all know that the money is going to go to other items, ie: bike paths, some of David Miller's pet projects....this money will not go where it should...that is what my issue is!
Acroyear
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They DON'T rip and spill your food on the ground and the handles are a lot more comfortable for heavy loads.
I think IF you're going to do this surcharge, environmentally driven stuff it's no problem so long as there is a viable alternative ALREADY in place so that you can avoid the tax if you wish and be nice to the planet at the same time.
So mandate stores have to carry some sort of permanent bag solution AND put a higher charge on the plastic ones.
That way we're still free to choose in our free society.
Gail (Hamilton)
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condogirl
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Nancy - BC
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It's just one more way to help the environment.
Jeffrey
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TH
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Steve - Montreal
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james
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markus in london
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As much as I hate government taxing everything, this is one thing I would agree with - we gatta get those plastic bags out of the landfills folks.
The hardest thing about converting is remembering to take them with you...!
JW
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Jim
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K
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It is a matter of time before there are provinces create a bag tax.
Lindsay
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Where are your priorities, man, get real.........
P.M.
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Heather
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Dave from Toronto
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mike in NB
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Just imagine where it will all end....
Dave from Toronto
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AndyL
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What a bunch of morons we have become.
matlewy
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Stop being small time
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You don't save the planet by reducing plastic bags and water bottles.
Here are some better ideas Mr Miller..
1) work with the bottled water industry to find better ways for them to re-cycle those bottles. Collect all those bottles and sell them to a recycling plant that Toronto might want to help fund. This will create jobs for Torontonians. it will reduce the plastic going into the landfill. DO THE SAME WITH PLASTIC BAGS. The technology exists and I am sure beverage companies would love to purchase these recycled resins for producing more bottles to cater to public demand.
2) Come up with a plan to rebuild roads and change the old traffic light system. If every car commuting tonight, was able to reduce their travel time by 10 percent. That would be a vast reduction in greenhouse emissions. Far exceeding the reduction of plastic bags.
3) continue to invest in public transport. Remember it will take a generation to have any positive difference on the environment, but it can not be ignored.
Forget bike lanes for now. Not enough people ride them to make that much of a environmental difference, and neither will they if you build lanes. Take that $70million and invest in technology that will upgrade the traffic light system, that will lead to better flowing traffic.
It just makes sense to focus on programs that bring the greatest return. NOT BAGS.
Shawn
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Instead of taxing the people, yet again, why not try passing a by-law that all plastic bags must be recyclable and then ensuring the services are available for the people. Maybe also consider passing a by-law that if a person does not put out a recycle bin with their garbage, then their pick up be refused.
I believe also that most people would recycle more if the services were available. I live in a city 4x larger then my brother but we only can recycle 1, 2 and recently 5 plastics where he can go up to 7.
Correct me if I am wrong but I remember in school being told that in some European countries the manufacturer is the one ultimately responsibly for the disposal of the packaging. It would make sense and work here as well. Demand that the products and especially the packaging are recyclable. There is no reason anymore why this can’t be done.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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It's swell that you venture off to the grocery store with your cute little canvas bag (maybe with your initials on the side?), however, many families spend $350 and require a whole bunch of bags. In fact, often, not the same spouse buys the groceries (different vehicle used).
My wife and I would have to maintain a big set of canvas bags in EACH vehicle. Sure; no problem.
Or, we could simply pay an extra 50 cents (on a $350 bill) at the grocery check-out for the plastic bags that clog the landfill...and perpetuate the problem.
OR, SOMEBODY WITH A BRAIN COULD EXTEND EXISTING BIODEGRADABLE-PLASTIC TECHNOLOGY TO GROCERY AND GARBAGE BAGS...AND BRING THE ENTIRE ISSUE TO A CLOSE!
Silly me. That makes too much sense.
Christine
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Simon Shaw
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Dawn Dussault
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Dave
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How much will that cost?
Where is the collected money destined?
Who will monitor this?
How much will that cost?
Does he ever one think things thru?
What kind of drugs is this idiot taking?
Debbie G.
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aTAX by any other name is still a TAX
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brian
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Wowwwwwzer
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Plastic bags? It's quite evident that Toronto is so greatly run that the Mayor and its councilors have run out of things to do. Perhaps they should watch movies in the afternoons.
hitting the families again with more taxes
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I already re-use every shopping bag unless the holes are massive....they get used for my cat tray contents; lining my garbage bins through the house; getting wet/dirty things from school; taking lunch to work; used by school to get book orders home etc etc.
Now I'm to be charged to advertise the shop (yeah I know I do that already in the prices on the shelf but we all know the price will not drop for goods), and still there will be bags and more bags.
The Mayor should make companies reduce packaging; make bags out of bio-degradable products this would help the green issue.
If not shopping bags then I'll buy plastic bags I wouldn't have brought before it's a no brainer people !!!!!