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Date: Wed. Nov. 26 2008 5:30 PM ET

Toronto Mayor David Miller took another stab at waste reduction Wednesday when he officially proposed that a nickel charge be placed on every plastic bag taken from grocery stores.

The mayor told reporters at a news conference Wednesday morning that he had the support of executives with the supermarket industry, particularly Galen Weston Jr., the head of Loblaws.

No Frills, Loblaw's low-end chain of grocery stores, has long had the nickel-charge policy in place. Many locations offer their customers carton boxes to pack their groceries instead.

"This is a major step forward in our efforts to reduce waste," Miller said. "The city approved a set of recommendations designed for the city to meet its goal. The recommendations are bold but our targets are ambitious and require bold actions."

Toronto, as part of its waste-diversion goal, has vowed to divert 70 per cent of the city's waste from landfills. In 2007, Toronto diverted 42 per cent of its waste.

This new plastic bag proposal comes weeks after city councillors sparked a heated debate over a plan to have retailers offer a 10-cent discount to customers who bring their own bag to carry groceries. Other ideas included banning coffee cups or offering a 20-cent discount to customers who brought in their own coffee mug.

Critics panned the idea, saying it was unworkable because it would cost retailers millions.

"Since the last meeting we worked with retailers and we reached an agreement with the country's largest grocery retailers," said Miller. "To level the playing field, we are using a charge rather than a rebate to discourage the use of plastic bags. Grocers, in turn, have committed to reducing bags in distribution."

The charge, if passed by council next month, could be put in place by June.

Miller said a 2005 study shows an average household in Toronto generates about eight to nine plastic bags each week. That totals about 460 million plastic bags each year, with most of them landing in landfills.

The mayor said even though the city is going to start accepting plastic as a recyclable item starting Dec. 8, people still need to emphasize their eco efforts on reducing rather than recycling waste.

"It's environmentally sound and cost effective to reduce waste rather than recycle," he said.

"What's bad for the environment is waste and what's bad for business is waste."

They mayor said he's hoping retailers in other industries will implement the charge as well.

City council is scheduled to meet next week to discuss a host of ideas meant to reduce waste and tackle unnecessary packaging.

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Toad
said

Perhaps the mayor could increase recycling measures and waste diversion projects using the $70 million budgeted for bike lanes??!!!


Stu
said

Great if they do this, no problem, but if they do, they had better start providing more high quality bags, like the kind currently being charged for at No Frills, Price Chopper, etc. Those bags are a thicker plastic, less prone to tearing, etc., and you can really jam a lot more stuff in them (no pun intended). Of course, I would imagine they last longer and take up more space in landfills...


Shamaro
said

It would take somebody like Mayor Miller, who just so happens to live in his own little insulated world, to come up with another left wing scheme like this.

Sure, we all understand the nature behind all of the environemental protection and all that, but why would he come up with a concept like this when the economy is about to go into the tank and people's jobs are at stake.

I know we're only talking about a few cents here and there, but it's still gouging into small business and people's pockets which they just cannot afford.


MP
said

Anyone who shops at Price Choppers and such already pay for their bags so it's not a huge deal.

My wife and I use canvas bags or backbacks.

I do wish the manufactures could seriously rethink their packaging strategies. This too would help curb waste.


Toby
said

Let's pay voters 5 cents each if they vote for anyone but Miller in the next election.

The city has much more pressing problems that should be dealt with.


Middilay
said

Why doesn't the government instead work on a solution for the problem vs. a tax?

We now have bags for our food waste that is bio-degradable. Wouldn't it be smarter to just have them made a bit stronger and then they can safely be disposed of. The reality is that people who aren't environmentally conscious will just keep buying bags and sending them to the landfill. Find a solution to the problem not just tax it!


Craig
said

Stu the idea isn't quility but the kind of bags you are using. What the idea is, is for all of us to bring our own bags (such as the ones you can buy from wallmart for a dollar) and re-use them. Making better quility plastic bags is not the aim of charging for them.

I think the City doesn't always come up with good plans but this has to be one of their more workable projects.


Roger T
said

Why not propose a fee on everything, sidewalks, shopping mall entrance fee, a fee on top of the free events provided by TO, a fee to drive by the minutes, a fee to watch our own TV's, a fee to flush our toilets....etc.....you get the message.

Why stop there....put a fee on each and everything......not sure if we're living in a free society or a communist society.

If businesses already have the power to price their merchandises to sell to the public the price of the bags are already added onto the items. In the name of environmentally friend the Gov't & businesses are using this as an excuse to put fees on everything so the consumers pick up their tabs.

If there are anymore fees we ALL better start shopping at all once so the economy can get any worst, but than again blame the politicians who impose these taxes and fees.




Kevin
said

Why don't people in Toronto get their collective head out of the dirt. In Simcoe county we plain and simple have a 1 bag limit. The same rule should apply. I am not sure what the limit is in Toronto now but I recall the controversy of a 5 bag limit a few years ago. Does Miller really think taxing these bags will reduce the volume of trast produced. Althouhg bad for the enviroment and landfill these bags in terms of compressed waste is small. People need to reduce there waste period.


Steve the Pundit
said

Honest to goodness, I am so sick and tired of all of these so-called "Green" initiatives that are little more than PR stunts. All of these initiatives are nothing more than creative ways to extract more and more hard-earned dollars from the general public.

The mayor would make a much more impactful statement on the importance of the "environmental legacy" we leave behind if he stopped flying all over the world to these photo-op conferences. One round-trip airfare is responsible for more GHG emission than the average car puts out in ONE YEAR!

And how seriously can we take the idea of "reducing plastic consumption" when the city bought all of these new garbage bins (from a U.S. supplier, no less) made of VIRGIN PLASTIC (not recycled)!

Seriously, this mayor needs to be taken to the curb.


recycle
said

My wife and I have been using cloth bags for years and find them strong, cleanable and much easier to carry (much better handles). I think the right price would be to charge 1 dollar for each bag, plastic or otherwise, and maybe people would finally realize that recycling is a definite solution to our waste problem.


Kevin
said

Why don't Retailers go back to using brown paper bags, which are biodegradeable and recyclable? And while we're at it let's get manufacturers to get rid of clamshell packaging and have everything packaged in cardboard boxes. I'm sure the wizards in marketing can be just as original with box design and that packaging would also be biodegradeable and recyclable which the current plastic is not.


JP in london
said

People who complain about this..need to wake up...I shop at no frills..I bought 10 of those bags I can use over and over..I also have a pc master card..so what I do is I use those bags and get extra points towards free groceries. they cost me 10 bucks, but I have cashed in about 140 bucks in free groceries this year alone. I pay the groceries off the next day of course so no intrest is added to the amount. This really is a good thing and has no real drawbacks....


Jay
said

tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax tax ... An a new Miller initiative, revenue tool, revenue tool, revenue tool, ... oh, and tax tax tax tax tax




USE CANVAS BAGS
said

It's funny how upset some people get when their little meaningless freebies are jeopardized.

Just start taking canvas bags to the grocery store. It's not that difficult and it's better for the environment.


Pam
said

I would like to see the mayor, for six months from January to June, cold and hot months, to do all the household chores that involve discarding waste. Then maybe be could see the problems that householders encounter trying to responsibly dispose of these items safey, hygenically, and not turn a small apartment into a room full of containers with various types of waste waiting to be collected. How many containers do we need: paper, cardboard, recyclable plastic, glass, batteries, tin cans and foil, chemicals, compostables, then the other items, plastic wraps and bags from food, diapers and other similar hygiene items, bottle lids and caps, non-recyclable plastics - bubble packages on items, clothing, etc, etc,. Think of ways to help us in the home before waste is put out on the street for collection.


Sylvie in Ottawa
said

I have been bringing my own canvas and thick plastic re-usable bags for groceries for years. I keep them in my car trunk when not in use, so I can use them whenever I go shopping.

Instead of whining about a tax grab, do something concrete to help the environment. Stop pretending that your actions don't impact the amount of garbage going to landfills.

Or, just get ready to pay more taxes when the landfills are full and we have to keep trucking garbage further and further away. Act now or pay later; it's your choice.


Anne Ottawa
said

I dont think this is such a bad idea. nothing forces people to bring their own bags than charging them for them. quality of bags is not the point, you are paying a tax for using one of their bags which I think is not that unreasonable. nothing else will force a change in behaviour. I laughed at Roger T's rant. in Ottawa we have been paying for our water, both in our water bill and an extra tax levy, so we are already paying to flush our toilets, big time. why does everyone immediately distrust something like this. I think it is the wave of the future, it has to be folks. for not much thought people could just have a stock of bags in their cars, I save all of mine and reuse them until they rip or get soiled with icky food like bloody meat or something. agree too much waste on packaging, way too much. waste of energy and landfill space. not everything can be recycled. styrofoam in Ottawa cant be recycled anymore (not for a few years) so we have to turf it in the garbage, for example.


Kevin in Fredericton
said

In NB we already are charged 5 cents per bag and some grocery store or are given a discount if we use reusable bags. I know that most grocery store here have bins for their customers to drop off their bags in order to be recycled.


Jeffrey
said

And who gets the proceeds of these bags? The retailer or the City of Toronto? Somehow I assume it's the latter since Miller is always whining about wanting more money (i.e. a cut of the gas tax) so he can fund is stupid projects (i.e. tearing down part of the Gardiner)


karl
said

This mayor just does not get it. Toronto is one of the most major city's in North America, and this is the best quality mayor we can come up with.

We are in one of the most turbulent economic times in history. Miller's having a news conference about plastic bags. We all agree the environment is important, but right now this mayor should be lobbying for infrastructure funding so jobs can be created and the crumbling city of Toronto be fixed. Sure he talks about rapid transit yesterday, but what about traffic congestion.

Is it not obvious that better maintained roads, that lead to better flowing traffic, is better for the environment than getting rid of a few plastic bags??

If you never had plastic shopping bags, you would not have bags for food recycling. You would have to go buy them anyway.

Maybe city councillors should join together and have common sense press conferences.


Krista
said

We should have done this years ago! I'm hopeful David Miller will lead what becomes and provincial and nation wide standard. We're not talking about gouging consumers, we're talking about incentivising people to become more environmentally responsible. Don't tell me you don't have an excess of plasic bags already in your home you can reuse the next time you're going to shop. Europe has been doing this for year. In many countries there, it's .35 Euros to buy a bag. Everyone reuses their bags, uses non-disposible bags and holds on to their plastic bags when they do get one!


nc in alberta
said

One use plastic bags are just another relatively recent item (like drive-thrus) that we could
re-learn to do without as a service to the planet.

Personally, I think we should just ban them outright in favour of reusable bags.

If a store feels it want to offer single use bags then make them use paper or the cornstarch based "platic substitute" which are both biodegradable. Still have them charge a nickel for the privilege in order to encourage people towards reuseables.

For everyone who whines this is an unfair burden, that's a load of cr*p.

If you're on a planned shopping trip, just bring bags.

Even if you're not planning to shop, follow my elderly Mother's example. She has always carried a folded up, compact reuseable bag in her purse "just in case" she makes an unplanned purchase while out.

Really if we can't learn to do the same, how lazy, self-focused and stubbornly set in our ways have we become if this presents a real hardship to anyone.

Anyhow to those who have complained, get over yourself, reuse, recycle and rethink your place on the planet.


the more, the better a dollar?
said

Good idea why not $0.25 or even better $1.00


DO
said

I think this is just one small step in making people pay attention. Personally I think that 5 cents is too little because it won't make much difference to anyone. Why not charge 25 cents? I think that price might make people purchase a reusable bag or remember the ones they already have. I also think that the bag tags for garbage pick up should be higher. We are a family of 5 and the most we put out to the curb is 2 kitchen size garbage bags. We don't put them inside a larger green garbage bag either because that it just more for the land fill!


Millar continues to show his disdane for families
said

I have a large family 4 kids my husband and I. Unlike all of you posters who think of only yourselves (me and my husband use cloth!!) I come out of the grocery store with about 30-40 bags of groceries! For me to continually run to the store for 2 or 3 bags worth is stupid. I can not afford to spend $30-40 on cloth bags, and to carry around bags like that is not feasible with 4 kids in tow. Of course the stores will agree more money for them. If 10 discount was gonna cost them millions how much will 5cents put in their pockets Millions!! Big companies make more at the expense of families and this time supported by our municipal government!!! Again Millar is against families. This is just another tax on indivduals and against families!! We already have a hard enough time making ends meet. Bags will be recyclable next year anyways so what is his problem? MILLAR is the PROBLEM!!!


USE CANVAS BAGS
said

Please, would the serial complainers out here pull their heads out of their butts for 5 minutes and just go google "plastic bag pollution"?

Learn for yourselves why there's absolutely NO QUESTION that it's a good idea to try and either massively reduce or get rid of these things altogether.

It won't infringe on your lifestyle or comfort in any way whatsoever to play a role in helping to phase them out.

Here's the deal: Just USE CANVAS BAGS!!! Then you don't have to pay 5 cents for plastic ones! You can keep that precious nickel for the... well, whatever necessity it was you were saving it for. The bubble gum machine?


Pat
said

If you think about it, those re-usable bags you see in stores (made of canvas, etc.) are $1-2 each depending on the size and quality, so he's not really making any sense. Paying 0.5˘ per plastic bag on a $200 grocery is still cheaper than buying a few re-usable ones, so there's no motivation to change.

If you want to reduce waste, charge $1 per plastic bag used, motivating folks to spend a bit more on the canvas/re-usable ones, and once their available plastic stocks run out, DON”T PURCHASE ANY MORE, and there will be no choice but to purchase the re-usable ones, therefore eliminating plastic bags completely.

It seems politicians/government people these days are finding it REALLY hard to think of something USEFUL to propose the public.



Lucinda in Alberta
said

At the Superstore they don't even offer free plastic bags. You have to bring your own or buy their cloth bags. A 5 cent tax may not be the best solution for T.O, but it is really the message that is important here - bring your own bags and then you can't complain about having to pay for bags! It's really not that difficult at all, just like any other habit that one has formed over the years. And recycling plastic bags is not the answer either. It costs more to recycle plastic bags than it does to generate new ones. You can completely avoid having to pay any sort of tax on plastic bags by bringing your own to the store with you.


recycle
said

To those of you that are complaining that this is some sort of convoluted tax, just use reusable bags. You've just taken care of the tax issue. Simple.


Patrick in Toronto
said

QUESTION:
===============================
Why not give the consumer a discount for not using a plastic bag?

ANSWER:
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Big business doesn't want to spend money.

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| THIS IS B.S. |
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Ryder
said

Go back to traditional brown paper bags made from recycled materials. Problem solved.


K. Biegel
said

This is an exellent idea.
I live abroad in Germany here the shopping bags cost money. Always carrie a cloth or plastic back with you all the time, because you never know when you go shopping.


MJ
said

Hello

Wake up everybody bring your own bag like your Grandparents use to and stop complaining. We have more garbage than food on the table


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

The raging socialists down at Toronto City Hall always manage to come up with a clever and profoundly useless way to service their own silly left-wing agenda.

Show me a "symbolic" proposal, and I'll show you another bogus idea that fails to properly address the issue at hand.

In this case, most people will simply pay the extra 10, 15, or 20 cents for the unbiodegradable plastic bags that are the problem. I already make use of biodegradable bags for the "green box." Stepping up the technology to encompass basic grocery bags makes too much economic sense, I guess.

Miller and Toronto City Council always have a million ideas...unfortunately, few are sensible or worthy, and none address their massive annual waste of taxpayer money.


biso
said

Some of us re-use those plastic grocery bag at home and kitchen for garbage and trash. So we re-use them in some sort. Now, even if we use Canvas grocery bags, we still need to buy garbage plastic bags instead which will also end up in a land field. It is not the best plan


Sahib Reginawale
said

Good idea. Here in Saskatchewan I take jute bags (made in Bangladesh - real tough)while going grocery shopping. So in the process I do my part in saving the environment while at the same time helping a poor developing country. So basically lets just put it this way - I kill two birds with one stone. However, mind you, I ain't no hunter like Sarah Palin.


John Connolly, Pitt Meadows
said

Five cents is not enough of a surcharge on plastic shopping bags to help in waste reduction. Maybe the surcharge should be two dollars per bag just to force shoppers to bring in their own canvas and cloth bags. Or the store should have no surcharge on canvas and cloth bags. The two-dollar surcharge on plastic bags will cover the cost of stocking canvas and cloth bags.


Vote NDP in the next federal/provincial election
said

Would it help if consumers please stop putting their self-interest ahead of others. We shouldn't focusing on convienence. So bring reuseable bags, knapsacks or even baskets.
I remember when Knob Hill Farms (grocery chain in Ontario that closed in the late 90s) when they distributed black baskets. It sure saved a lot of plastic bags from going to landfill.


Calgary 12
said

What's the problem with bringing your own bags to the supermarket? I've been doing this for a long time and it's no big deal. After a while, it just becomes habit. I keep one or two bags in the car, and also one or two in my backpack for the days when I'm on foot! It works for me!!


Big Jim
said

Ah, another Miller tax grab disguised to look like it will help the environment. So hey Toronto, how are you enjoying your left wing, spend thrift, tax imposing, bankrupting mayor now?

Toronto is going down the tubes. $76 Million in bike lanes when your streets like Gerrard St. is like driving across a frozen ploughed field. Not to mention your water mains that 100+ years old and $40 million to face lift Nathan Phillips Square, for what? Not to mention the funding for Union STation that they can't afford either. Just more examples of why Miller and his little band of financial henchmen need to get a grip on reality.

And to Roger T., give Miller enough time and he will find a way to tax breathing.

Right on Prof. Pye Chartt!

Enjoy what you got Toronto, because we are!


philoldgoalie
said

This is a good idea whose time is way overdue. They have been charging for bags in Germany for years. To the lady who claims to need 30-40 bags for her shopping. Just just the items back into your cart and take it to your car like that. Thats what they do in Europe.


Margaret(sick of paying extra, extra, extra)
said

To everyone that uses cloth bags and have commented below,
please understand it is not the bags and the 5 cent charge that is bothering most people, including me.
It is the fact that everytime we turn around, we are being charged for things based on making our city "Green".
All these extra charges are doing is making our city more expensive to live in. If the money from the plastic bags was used properly and was put towards our city to become "green" I would not complain. But we all know that the money is going to go to other items, ie: bike paths, some of David Miller's pet projects....this money will not go where it should...that is what my issue is!


Acroyear
said

I bought a bunch of canvas bags at the Superstore and bring them with me. They were a couple bucks a piece, big deal, and I actually like them better.

They DON'T rip and spill your food on the ground and the handles are a lot more comfortable for heavy loads.

I think IF you're going to do this surcharge, environmentally driven stuff it's no problem so long as there is a viable alternative ALREADY in place so that you can avoid the tax if you wish and be nice to the planet at the same time.

So mandate stores have to carry some sort of permanent bag solution AND put a higher charge on the plastic ones.

That way we're still free to choose in our free society.


Gail (Hamilton)
said

The only thing I see is that consumers love consuming taxes to aid in their transition to more government control. It used to be "Father Knows Best" now it's "Government Knows Best".


condogirl
said

Lucinda...I don't know which Superstore you patronize, but the 2 that I regularly shop at in Edmonton both are still using plastic bags and they don't charge for them. Both Superstore & Save-On have good canvas bags available. If I should take a plastic bag at the store, I re-use them for my own garbage, as do a lot of people. We can either use them that way or buy garbage bags - either way, they will wind up in a landfill. I fail to see how a 5 cent "tax" is going to have any significant difference in how much plastic gets dumped into landfills.


Nancy - BC
said

Loblaws' owned Superstore has been charging .04 per bag for a long time, at least in B.C. Out here everyone is encouraged to use canvas bags. It shouldn't be up to the grocery store to provide bags, everyone should be using re-usable bags.

It's just one more way to help the environment.


Jeffrey
said

what's next? Soon we'll have to pay for bags at all the stores we shop at (including Christmas shopping).


TH
said

This type of project has been implimented in my area for over 5 years now. It's absolutly appaling that the city the produces so much garbage they have to ship it elsewhere wouldn't have implimented this YEARS ago. Way to save the environment Toronto! You've made me even more proud to live in anotehr city. Of course this fee should be charged!! Why is this only comming to play now? Does Toronto not see what other cities who produce 5x LESS than are doing and follow suit. DISGUSTING!


Steve - Montreal
said

People of Turanna...Go to Value Village and pick up a canvas or mesh bag for 50cents. You can use it for more than just hauling groceries.


james
said

Why not go back to paper bags?


markus in london
said

I was a plastic bag guy until my girlfriend got me into the reusable ones. They rock.

As much as I hate government taxing everything, this is one thing I would agree with - we gatta get those plastic bags out of the landfills folks.

The hardest thing about converting is remembering to take them with you...!




JW
said

In Ireland they banned bags in grocery stores. They charge the equivalent of about 40 cents for a bag. Most people now just use the reusable cloth bags of various sizes. A 5 cents tax will do nothing. It has to hit the pocket more than that to be effective.


Jim
said

I have an idea Comrade Miller, why not ban taxes. You've banned everything else.

K
said

5 cents is about the money not the environment. The tax needs to be at least 25 cents to make a real impact for the environment.

It is a matter of time before there are provinces create a bag tax.


Lindsay
said

come on. the world is going to hell in a handbasket and David Miller can only rag on about 5 cent bags???
Where are your priorities, man, get real.........


P.M.
said

Just another cost for us poor Toronto residents. What the ecoterrorist mayer doesn't tell you is that 90% of these plastic bags are manufactured right here in Ontario, while the canvas bags are all imported from China. So how many more jobs should we get rid off?


Heather
said

I don't have a problem paying 5c for a plastic bag at No Frills or Price Chopper because THE GROCERIES ARE CHEAPER BECAUSE OF IT!!!!! Also the money goes to the store. Who would get this new 5c/bag with this witless scheme? There's already a surcharge on my licence renewal, there's an increase in the water bill, there's a property tax increase. Really how much more of my money does this wacko and his cronies need? And why on earth would they plan to SPEND money to pretty up Nathan Phillips Square (not even a useful project!!) in exchange for putting even more working people into food bank eligibility? Would the food bank have to charge 5c/bag too??????


Dave from Toronto
said

If this does happen, I'll be shopping in Durham or Markham, when I need bags for my green bin at home.



mike in NB
said

I use canvas, then I use more water to wash and re-use them, then when they are clean I will take two or three trips a week to the store (so I do not need too many bags). I know it wastes gas, but the grocery store loves it because I buy more junk when I make more trips. Of course more junk means more packaging. The car repair place loves it (more mileage) and the sellers of canvas love it! I am going to buy Sobeys bags and use them at Atlantic Superstore. I love it.....

Just imagine where it will all end....


Dave from Toronto
said

Does this apply to all retailers such as Walmart, Shoppers Drug Mart, CDN Tire, Home DEpot, etc? If not, then why? Walmart sells groceries! This is stupid, they should eliminate the extra packaging I get when I buy green beans, why does Green Beans, Corn, Broccoli need to come wrapped in styrofoam and seranwrap?


AndyL
said

I went to the liquor store here in Montreal, they chaged me 5 cents for a bag and told me they would not be availabl at all in January. Guess next time I'll just drink it in the store.

What a bunch of morons we have become.


matlewy
said

It's not a tax. The City is not making any money. It's a charge to make lazy and self-centered stop ruining the planet.


Stop being small time
said

Lets be realistic.. You are not going to stop the use of plastic bags to a sufficient enough level, to make any real difference to the environment. This mayor is small time. He does not have the focus and ideas required to make a real contribution to helping the environment.

You don't save the planet by reducing plastic bags and water bottles.

Here are some better ideas Mr Miller..

1) work with the bottled water industry to find better ways for them to re-cycle those bottles. Collect all those bottles and sell them to a recycling plant that Toronto might want to help fund. This will create jobs for Torontonians. it will reduce the plastic going into the landfill. DO THE SAME WITH PLASTIC BAGS. The technology exists and I am sure beverage companies would love to purchase these recycled resins for producing more bottles to cater to public demand.

2) Come up with a plan to rebuild roads and change the old traffic light system. If every car commuting tonight, was able to reduce their travel time by 10 percent. That would be a vast reduction in greenhouse emissions. Far exceeding the reduction of plastic bags.

3) continue to invest in public transport. Remember it will take a generation to have any positive difference on the environment, but it can not be ignored.

Forget bike lanes for now. Not enough people ride them to make that much of a environmental difference, and neither will they if you build lanes. Take that $70million and invest in technology that will upgrade the traffic light system, that will lead to better flowing traffic.

It just makes sense to focus on programs that bring the greatest return. NOT BAGS.


Shawn
said

Tax it all you want, it will not solve the problem. The only way to get people to do anything, especially recycle, is to make it accessible and convenient.

Instead of taxing the people, yet again, why not try passing a by-law that all plastic bags must be recyclable and then ensuring the services are available for the people. Maybe also consider passing a by-law that if a person does not put out a recycle bin with their garbage, then their pick up be refused.

I believe also that most people would recycle more if the services were available. I live in a city 4x larger then my brother but we only can recycle 1, 2 and recently 5 plastics where he can go up to 7.

Correct me if I am wrong but I remember in school being told that in some European countries the manufacturer is the one ultimately responsibly for the disposal of the packaging. It would make sense and work here as well. Demand that the products and especially the packaging are recyclable. There is no reason anymore why this can’t be done.




Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ THE CANVAS BAG CROWD:

It's swell that you venture off to the grocery store with your cute little canvas bag (maybe with your initials on the side?), however, many families spend $350 and require a whole bunch of bags. In fact, often, not the same spouse buys the groceries (different vehicle used).

My wife and I would have to maintain a big set of canvas bags in EACH vehicle. Sure; no problem.

Or, we could simply pay an extra 50 cents (on a $350 bill) at the grocery check-out for the plastic bags that clog the landfill...and perpetuate the problem.

OR, SOMEBODY WITH A BRAIN COULD EXTEND EXISTING BIODEGRADABLE-PLASTIC TECHNOLOGY TO GROCERY AND GARBAGE BAGS...AND BRING THE ENTIRE ISSUE TO A CLOSE!

Silly me. That makes too much sense.


Christine
said

As a cashier I would like to put my two cents worth in on plastic bags. Yes they are bad for our environment and I believe we need to do something about waste reduction proto. I would like to note that I have seen five cashiers this year in my store go out on sick leave due to repetitive stress from jostling and juggling these canvas bags while packing and lifting heavy overpacked bags and hampers. An order that used to take three minutes to put through now takes up to seven minutes per transaction. I see customers getting frustrated with the time it takes - but that's the trade off. Please, use your reusable bags… but please… if you want this type of system to work advantageously, help pack instead of criticize on where you want things to be placed and what foods can and can’t be mixed – everyone has a different idea on how their groceries need to be. It really makes me laugh when I see people toting around their envirobags filled with plastic one time use items from the dollar store while rudely barking how they want things packed. Let’s all use common sense.


Simon Shaw
said

David "The Tax King" Miller will find a way to get a piece of that nickel and when he does he will turn it into a dime.




Dawn Dussault
said

People - This is not a new initiative, many stores across Canada have been charging people for plastic bags, and the results have been positive. People are more weary about how many bags they use, and even reuse thier bags from home. If your main argument is about getting "more bang for your buck" I.E. better quality bags, then you are missing the point entirely.


Dave
said

Who is going to collect the money?
How much will that cost?
Where is the collected money destined?
Who will monitor this?
How much will that cost?
Does he ever one think things thru?
What kind of drugs is this idiot taking?



Debbie G.
said

I agree with MP. This is yet another onus on, and $$$ for consumers and no incentive for manufacturers to make less packaging in the first place. We should all take the lead from Europe where people use canvas bags or boxes, but there should be sustainability requirements in place with fines for non-compliance for manufacturers.


aTAX by any other name is still a TAX
said

Ok every bag I get from the grocery store is reused in my house. We use them in our garbage cans in the house and we use them to pic up after the dog. The kids use them for lunches. So Now I need to by garbage bags for the garbage cans bags to pick up after the dog and lunch boxes for the kids. I will be reducing my bad consumption by how much? And the cost of recycling the garbage bag? the doggie dodo bags? and the annual lunch box? Me thinks the overall savings to the environment in minimal. So now instead of getting the bags for free I will pay for them one way or another, A tax is a tax no matter how you disguise it. Why when people wrap stupid idea in the cause of the environment it is always a good idea?


brian
said

let us put our guns in plastic bags to turn them in , hold it no we will need the bags to put in our shoes to keep out feet dry cause Miller taxes our butts off.



Wowwwwwzer
said

This mayor is on the right track. I would like to propose a new taxation measure of CO2 emissions - human breathing. Also, could Toronto please tax people per each step they walk? Perhaps you can implement a GPS chip under their skin to keep track of their movements.

Plastic bags? It's quite evident that Toronto is so greatly run that the Mayor and its councilors have run out of things to do. Perhaps they should watch movies in the afternoons.


hitting the families again with more taxes
said

I can't be alone in not understanding this situation.
I already re-use every shopping bag unless the holes are massive....they get used for my cat tray contents; lining my garbage bins through the house; getting wet/dirty things from school; taking lunch to work; used by school to get book orders home etc etc.
Now I'm to be charged to advertise the shop (yeah I know I do that already in the prices on the shelf but we all know the price will not drop for goods), and still there will be bags and more bags.
The Mayor should make companies reduce packaging; make bags out of bio-degradable products this would help the green issue.
If not shopping bags then I'll buy plastic bags I wouldn't have brought before it's a no brainer people !!!!!


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