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Date: Wednesday Nov. 26, 2008 8:02 AM ET

Despite the ongoing global financial crisis, a new poll of 11 countries, including Canada, shows nearly half are still more worried about climate change.

The Climate Confidence Monitor 2008, which surveyed 12,000 people around the world, found 43 per cent of respondents chose climate change ahead of global economic stability when asked about their top three concerns.

Worldwide, 48 per cent of people believe governments should be playing a leading role in tackling climate change but only 25 per cent think they are actually doing so.

"Without greater government leadership, people's individual engagement with the issue is stalling: willingness to make further changes to lifestyles, contribute more time and spend extra money are all down compared to 2007," says the report.

Researchers found the global community wants its governments to focus on "big issue" direct actions, such as increasing investment in renewable energy, halting deforestation, conserving water resources and protecting ecosystems.

The indirect activities that many governments are focusing on, such as carbon markets and taxation systems, are seen by consumers as less of a priority, says the report.

The vast majority of people, 78 per cent, want their countries to take on at least their "fair share" of emissions reductions, in proportion to their current share of global emissions.

"This sense of sharing responsibility for reductions suggests a different picture to that being played out in international negotiations," says the report.

Noteworthy numbers:

  • In Canada, 34 per cent of respondents said climate change and how governments respond to it are among the biggest issues they worry about.
  • Only 6 per cent of Canadians, compared to 55 per cent in China, said the people and organizations that should be doing something about climate change are doing what is needed.
  • Twenty-nine per cent of Canadians said they are personally making a "significant effort" to help reduce climate change in their daily living.
  • Nine per cent said they believed climate change will be stopped, compared to 47 per cent in China and 12 per cent in the U.S.

"Despite clear concern about climate change and a demonstrably fair attitude to national emission reductions, the picture that has emerged from this year's Climate Confidence Monitor is one of consumers stalling in their own efforts and not appreciating those of their governments," says the report.

"Governments and companies have a greater role to play both in creating low-carbon opportunities and in helping consumers better understand the options and implications."

The survey -- which included research in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the U.K. and U.S.A., Brazil, China, the Hong Kong SAR, India, Malaysia and Mexico -- was done on behalf of the HSBC Climate Partnership, which includes environmental groups and business.

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Concerned
said

Hard to believe that people actually care about the environment. Its nice to hear that they do. Our economy is human made and can be fixed. Our enivronment cannot be fixed so easily. Its going to take some serious effort on behalf of the entire world to fix that probelem. Hopefully here in Canada we could be a leader in this area for the rest of the world to see.


Scene
said

Like so many people on this msg board have said before me, one way to create jobs is to tackle climate change. There are lots of jobs that can be created in R&D (research and Development), that can help stimulate the economy, help clean up our enviroment, and push our country forward as a leader in clean technology and standard of living. One good thing about this recession is it gives climate change a better chance to be engrained into our work force and everyday lives with a clean sheet, after this old one on which our economy that was built on oil and dirty fuels is slowly erased! The potentail for Canada to move forward in Climate Change is very much there!


Tom in Calgary
said

The Climate Confidence Monitor???? Who? Never heard of em. Couldn't be any hidden agenda there huh. How leading could their questions of been and of course with "selected" areas of europe and "China's" total lack of open news they couldn't have represented it in any more biased a format. How many freakin enviro organizations are there?

Surveyed in China? And quietly in the main body "34%" of Candians. If you ask me the word is finally getting out in free nationa that the astronomical community ( Maunder minimums/little ice ages, solar activity data as in real DATA ) are right and the CO2 "modellers" ( 100 year from now weather forecsts )are wrong.


New World
said

...You never heard of them and then claim they have a hidden agenda… are you all knowing Tom? Are you worried about your little oil based economy Tom? Yeah, I guess you have no agenda either, Tom?


B.
said

Blinders are nice to have, eh Tom? Don't worry, it will be your grandchildren suffering years from now in an unfit planet, not you.


Keep your coins, I want change
said

Why can't we address both?

Use public investment in green infrastructure as a means to foster a domestic green energy industry. No sweet heart deals to crumbling domestic auto empires.

Instead, provide funding assistance for the growth of the current industry as an immediate plan, while also providing more long term research funding as part of a more broad strategy for the manufacturing sector.

No hand outs, but real support for real solutions. Like the individual carbon extraction units developed in Alberta, etc.

Without a long term vision, and more importantly resources to back up that vision, Canada will continue to be a major emmitter and bystandard in the global shift toward sustainable economics.

Why be held hostage to the private sector for jobs and growth? Public investment without corporate welfare or government waste. Is it possible?


Come on now enviroteam - be honest
said

Socialist environmentalists are all about world government and taxation. They want to start with 0.7% (of each nations GDP) and slowly weasel their way up to 70%.


Tom in Calgary
said

Ah, the children, of course, lets not let real science get in the way of the old "Its for the children" line. In 1890 no one saw or predicted any thing happening today. No one! We are their children. How arrogent are these folks to believe they can see 100 years into the future.

Gas engines and Diesels are 1000s of times cleaner than they were 40 years ago. Thats in terms of NOX which is really what the clean air debate needs to be about! Further, Alberta leads the nation in wind power, it was originated in the Pincher Creek area 20 years ago.

And as was just noted by Stascan last week, Alberta PRIVATE Oil Companies spent more real cash on atual capital cost emissions technology equipment 2.8$BN than our coal fired, smog ridden friends in Ontario did. Thats 3x as many polluters by population in Ontario and you hypocrites and your private sector only spent 827Million. I respectfully ask you clean up your own mess, before telling us to clean up ours.


Reece
said

55% of Chinese nationals believe that the right things are being done to protect the enviornment? 47% of Chinese believe climate change can be stopped? It's not at all surprising considering 90% or more of China's people are impoverished and desperate. These polls to me highlight either the masses are ignorant or a nation of liars. The Chinese must understand why Western businesses even set up shop there...China has virtually non-existent pollution regulations and no respect for human dignity for if they did they certainly would set up shop in another 3rd world country besides China. Part of the vetting process in deciding which country to set up factories include which country is the least likely to give a damn about this planet and the least likely to respect the workers. China always wins the bid. A very sad nation indeed.


Dr. T.B.
said

Climate change doesn't interest me in the least.

What is troubling is how so many unthinking people have drunk the Kool Aid and joined the Global Warming cult without doing any homework on their own.

We are experiencing a cooling trend not a warming trend and it isn't man made it is normal cyclical occurances.


Al
said

I'm not a scientist nor a genius, but I don't think I need to be to know whats happening to our environment. The Glacial meltdown started hundreds or even thousands of years ago. Glaciers covered most of North America. They disappeared because of Global warming. Like any piece of ice it will meltdown faster if you add more heat which explains why Arctic ice is melting faster today. Global warming may or may not be caused by mankinds habits but personally I think its a natural progression. Scientists and environmentalists are using it for their own gain in the form of grants and exploration dollars like they used the Millenium Bug to frighten people into thinking that the world will end if they can't fix it.


You have got to be kidding
said

Dr. T.B. - global cooling? How exactly does the melting of the polar ice caps fit into this theory?


Edb
said

Quick....we need that polar bear tax... now!


me from here
said

people say they are concerned about the global warming problem. they buy those little curly light bulbs to save about .30 cents of electricty a yesr(the ones that have mercury in them and create other problems) and bitch that the government should do something and then figure they are doing something about the problem. or like the t.v. ads where a guy gets rid of an old fridge he has to save $150.00 of electricity a year. what kills me is that no body ever says anything about agressive driving and speeding and about how much extra fuel gets burned and the millions of tons of extra green house gasses that go into the air each year. if people would drive a little more conservative each individual could save hundreds of dollars a year in fuel(why make the oil companies richer than they alredy are)this is one of the biggest contibutions people could make to help save this planet which is our only home.


Tom in Calgary
said

In reponse to "You've got be kidding" ( thats a name? ).

According to the New York Times, the last time the north pole was awash in water was 50 million years ago. We all know the Times take on things. Another big city newspapaer that knows better than us country hicks.

Fast forward to 1959 and the USS Skate surfaces thru open water at the north pole. Photos readily availble. Then lets go to 1987 and the USS's Superb, Blowfish and Sea Devil rendezvous in open water at the north pole.

But if last year was the first year... hey those pictures from those eras must be AGW proganda, cleverly preplanted before there even was a global warming crisis. Or could the Enviro doomers be mistaken on ice caps?

Its the sun guys. Its a star and any astronomer or astrophysist ( even those who agree with global warming by CO2 ) will concede no star is stable short or long term. The signal to noise ratio from the CO2 "Modellers " crowd is terrible. The signal to noise ratio measuring and monitoring the sun is awesome.


Professor M.
said

Dr. T, could you provide some evidence to support your claim that the world is cooling? As far as I know, this idea was discredited some time ago.

There was a brief period of cooling in the '70's because of particles in the atmosphere caused by pollution, but that minor glitch has given way to hundreds of studies done by scientists worldwide that show a warming, not cooling trend. That trend can be traced back to the industrial revolution, and correlates almost perfectly with increasing CO2, with the rise in CO2 leading the warming trend. Actually, this was predicted by Arhenius in 1880, so the claim that no one could predict the trends 100 years ago is in fact wrong.

Would you please tell us which scientific studies you are quoting, who wrote them, and who sponsored them? As far as I know, such claims are supported by large oil companies, and even they are now retreating from those assertions as the evidence has become overwhelming.

Nor can this be explained by mysterious "cycles". The only cycles we know of that affect climate occur on time lines of thousands of years, not decades. There is one case of rapid cooling during the present trend towards warmer climates, but even that took thousands of years, not tens of years.

So what source do you have for these claims? Please name the journals or papers you are referring to.


James in Edmonton
said

What is actually noteworthy is the fact that 66% of Canadians do NOT place climate change as one of their top concerns. This is perhaps due to the fact that despite the noisemakers and crazed environmentalists, many Canadians are still intelligent enough to realize that the scientific community does NOT unanimously support the theory of man-made climate change.
Those who question it, however, are afraid to speak up because of how politically charged the issue has become.


No Nose Ring
said

Better Banner - "Majority Reject Climate Change as Major Issue" - where does CTV get their reports, from the Climate Chnage Monitor?


Wayne F
said

I can't believe that we (the world's population as a whole) can be so naive as to think that we can do whatever we want to the earth and its atmosphere and everything will be fine.

Yes, green house gasses rose and fell in the past, but the earth could respond to correct it. It could grow larger rainforests, and other vegetation as the climate changed and could effectively reduce CO2.

But now, the earth can't do this. There are 6+ billion humans on the earth that are forcing the rainforests and vegetation to shrink instead - all while burning fossil fuels to compound the problem.

Earth's response will not be the same. But rest assured, it will respond and in the end, the earth will still be here - but it may not be as hospitable as it is now.

I'm no environmentalist and no scientist, but I can apply some basic logic. I can also see that more than one factor can be at play at the same time. It may be true that astronomical events are affecting our climate, but that does not mean that man-made climate change is not happening. It is not either-or.

The best we can do is to look at the costs of being wrong. I think that the cost of being wrong in the do-nothing scenario are much higher than putting a serious effort into reducing our green house gas emissions.

Besides, are we that arrogant as to think that we can use up all of the earth's natural resources and leave nothing for the next generation to use? Doesn't seem right to me.



Sask Man
said

Enviromentalism has become a religion to many.

It is scary when people have taken on such a love for Mother Earth that they loose sight of what is important in this country. Enviromental stewardship is important however, we need to get through the next couple years of economical challenges. Our tax money needs to go toward people first.

Keep our citizens fed and watered.




Wayne Whig, Ottawa
said

and if CTV, CBC, etc would report the actual facts - there's been no global warming for ten years - then there would be no more hysteria at all.

But there are too many vested interests - like Al Gore's millions invested in this, as well as energy companies' determination to restrict the supply of hydrocarbons and thereby give them skyrocketing profits, not to mention the climate scientist are thier millions, in fact billions in grants to `investigate' a non-phenomenon - to do anything like that.

Of course, it is the global-warming realists (ie. `sceptics' and `deniers') who are accusing of `putting profit before the planet.'

No doubt, some projection going on.


re: global warming not man made
said

To those who argue that global warming is natural and we don't have to worry about it. The arguement isn't about it being natural or not. It is about us as humans contributing to the problem and making it worse. If it wasn't for our pollution global warming wouldn't be happening as fast. What occurs over hundreds and thousands of years is occuring with in decades if not years. If we can change our old life styles for greener ones we will make sure that generations ahead will have all the pleasures and beauties of the world today.


Look at the pure science before you jump, Chumps
said

The United nations has silenced the most pre-eminent scientists in the world, they do agree the planet is warming, but when these scientists warned that global warming is not a result of carbon emissions and are a result of cosmic rays these reports were removed from all the IPCC reports. Every ice age the planet has entered is just after a steady increase in the global temperature, even Mars is going through a period of higher temperatures sorry no carbon emissions there. The ocean levels have actually fallen in the latest satellite research. The ice is thickening in the antarctic, not thinning and the ice in the artic is never more than a few meters thick, it will freeze again! pls continue to let The Un reports scare you to death andd soon we will take measures that will ensure That we are all governed by fear. Drink the koolaid, Al Gore is a hack the studies are not based on real world conditions, This is Junk science An inconvienient truth is a fabrication of facts and quotes get real people before we are totally controlled by the U.N. This is a dangerous game, Even children know better that we should never rely on Wikipedia, Do your research first before you junp from the frying pan into the fire, Read the denier series in the financial post and see where your opinon is after you have fully understood the science, governments love it when we the pions on the planet are scared to death, run chicken litle run the sky is falling!


Clarke
said

I'm not sure either way if man made climate change is real or not. The Earth's temperature has gone up about 1.7 F in the last 200 years. Glaciers have been retreating for thousands of years. There is just not enough hard evidence for me to agree with climate change.

However, I do think we need to be more environmentally aware and move to renewable cleaner energy. Pumping all those emmissions into the air can't be good no matter if you believe in climate change or not.


AndyL
said

The biggest producer of greenhouse gases is the meat industry. As per a UN report they produce more greenhouse gases that all of the worlds transportation combined and use an incredible amount of fresh water.

Now how many of you ..have become vegeterians?

Just a though while I am sipping coffee from my styrofoam cup.


Professor M.
said

Sorry Tom in Calgary, I don't think you quite understand the meaning of those pictures of the nuclear subs surfacing at the North Pole.

Last year was another record breaking year for open water at the Pole. That doesn't mean that the trend hasn't been around for a while. Those subs were only able to surface at the Pole because the ice sheet was thinning due to climate change. No one is suppressing the pictures- in fact, if you'd seen Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth, you'd know he discusses this in his documentary.

Nor are scientists making "billions" in grants on this. By and large they are just doing normal science, and it's leading them to the overwhelming conclusion that there's a problem, and that we're causing it. Trust me, if any scientist could show that global warming wasn't occurring, he/she would get a Nobel prize. But all of the data leads to only one conclusion. Global warming is real,and we're a leading cause.




Tom in Calgary
said

Proffesor M since you asked;-)

First put a call into the DRAO in Penticton. There are folks there who will explain short term solar changes on the order of 11 to 14 years. Not "1000s of years" as you seem to believe. Then just google Maunder minimum. Have fun explaining your position afterwards.

All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

The ice caps having been shrinking and expanding short term and observed to do so by europeans for 100s of years back to the Vikings settling greenland when it was much warmer than it is today.




Gail (Hamilton)
said

Funny how people just believe what they are told and then set out to kill the golden goose (namely oil) that brought us prosperity. What I have witnessed is not climate change, but mindset change. You must be a believer that mankind is destroying the planet, or you will be shunned by those for herecy. Can we cleanup our environment - YES. Can we fix sour gas eruptions in the ocean - no. Can we fix volcanic eruptions - no. Can we fix the earth's plates and stop them from moving - no. Can we stop the sun from warming the earth - no. Will we ever stop con jobs - no.


The case for global cooling
said

Since 1940 and from 1940 until 1980, the earths surface record shows cooling. The argument is that there has been warming since then but, in FACT, almost all of that is due to what is called the “urban heat island” effect – that is, that the weather stations are around the edge of cities and the cities expanded out and distorted the record. When you look at rural stations – if you look at the Antarctic, for example – the South Pole shows cooling since 1957 and the satellite data which has been up since 1978 shows a slight cooling trend as well.

Dr. Timothy Ball.



Commoner
said

Climate change is currently being addressed with the slowing economy. Therefore, less green house gases are being emitted, however more hungry people. Not sure what sounds better here? Colder climate vs starving people?! Anyone?


David in Toronto
said

Unlike the Internet, global warming was an invention of Al Gore.

Why don't we concentrate on reducing real pollutants instead?


Professor M.
said

Tom in Calgary

So I looked into it, as you suggested.

Solar output changes in an 11 year cycle due to sunspots- but that doesn't explain the rise in earth's temperature since 1880. According to the Telegraph (U.K.) the recent drop in global temperature is due to La Nina activity, and is masking the overall impact of climate change, which they claim is .4 degrees worldwide. The Maunder Minimum took place between 1645 and 1715, and although it has implications for the sun's impact on terrestrial conditions, it has no bearing on the question of whether greenhouse gases are currently influencing climate change.

Sorry, but the facts still don't support your claims.


John E
said

Both the economy and the evironment are of equal important to me. I believe both could be tackled together and that they go hand in glove. What's good for the environment is good for the economy and good. Money and research and development of new technologies and greener way to do business is smart and a win, win all round. Unfortunately the green shift plan presents by the liberals in their platform last elect was a grat first step in changing the way Canadian would handle the economy and the environment. However, it got short shift by being demonized as an additional tax, instead of a new way to porportion tax and deliver enirnomentally sustainable businesses and manufacturing. As well as a way to reward companies that worked toward enviromentally sound businesses. However the green shift died because of politics and fear mongering. A lost opportunity, but hopefully one that will rise again.


lashbera
said

Anyone who believes global warming can be stopped is a fool. Any honest sientist will tell you global warming has been happening since the last ice age. Fact, if you want to clean the air and you turn off every heater, car engine manufacturing plant and lawn mower green house gasses will not be gone from the atmosphere for at least 100 years. learn to live with global warming because you will never stop it.


Nanook
said

Twenty years ago Dr. Tim Ball scoffed at early reports on global warming. He was right.

Thirty years ago I was tickled pink when scientists claimed we're in for a new ice age. I was happy at the time, because then I could use my snowmobile sooner and longer, and our skating rink still had natural ice, so hockey season would start sooner, too!!!

What the hell happened??? Why the change in policy???


Leo
said

Just like Hillary Clinton once told Obama that a President has to be able to do more than one thing at a time. Which he later agreed and profest it himself...
Unlike the Harper government he speaks the truth...

...

AndyL
said

David in Toronto, I could not agree more! Futhermore, it's amazing that now that the oil industry has been demonized, anyone who profits from it is evil. However when the Al Gore's and Obama's of the world are poised to make millions off their new oil (what ever alternative energy they support) they become saviors.

Talk about double standards.


Munro - Brampton
said

First I have to say I agree pollution can be reduced. I think all 8 cylinder engines (for passenger cars) should be banned. The 'Global Warming' is part of the 'New World Order' to control the people and make you fearful. Carbon tax; what suckers we will be ! And many will say 'oh..they say its good for the environment..'. While we are having an effect the environment, I also think there are cycles in the weather that may be hundreds or thousands of years long. And with our computers how many DECADES have we been studying this; and a group of nerds says we understand the weather ! I think not. Another example of this insanity is banning light bulbs in favor of those CFB's. People, they break when you throw them in the garbage and contain LEAD and MERCURY; how is this good for the environment. Think about this stuff, don't just accept what is being force fed to you.


Alex (Toronto)
said

Even people who are concerned about global warming are aware of the economic crisis. I think most people would put global warming among the top three issues that governments should be dealing with. But what the survey shows is that governments in Canada have persuaded Canadians that other issues are more pressing.

Alberta may spend more on certain kinds of environmental remediation because its tar sands industry does a lot more damage. If you put minivan brakes on an 18-wheeler, it's still going to stop a lot slower than a compact car with compact car brakes. Ontario had to delay closing the coal plants after the 2003 power failure, but a lot of people in Ontario are not happy that so little progress has been made since. Fossil-fuel power, whether from coal or oil, can't be cleaned of carbon dioxide. We need to replace the coal plants, not improve them. We need wind turbines in Lake Ontario.

We know that atmospheric temperature has risen more than ten times more quickly over the past half-century than anything that has been observed in the natural heating and cooling cycle over the past half-million years. We know the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere today is also higher than anything that has occurred over the half-million years. There is a short-term effect where global warming releases water vapor that becomes snow that increases land-based ice (Greenland, Antarctica) for a while, but we also know that is a short term effect; ultimately the land-based ice will also melt, and that's when we'll see the oceans rise.

When Jean Charest was the Conservative minister for the environment, Conservatives were credible leaders on environmental issues. Soon Canada will not be able to hide behind George Bush to cover our failure to act.


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