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Date: Thursday Nov. 20, 2008 8:25 PM ET

The Supreme Court of Canada has upheld a ruling that says people who need an extra seat on a plane because they are either disabled or obese need only to pay one fare.

Air Canada and WestJet had made an application to the Supreme Court to appeal the order which was handed down from the Canadian Transportation Agency. However, the court rejected the application on Thursday.

Linda McKay-Panos, the woman representing obese passengers in the case, said that the ruling is great news for people who feel ashamed to travel by plane.

"It's going to make a huge difference because now I know that I'll be able to fly with dignity," said McKay-Panos, who is obese. "A few more of us can be more comfortable flying."

The agency had argued that airline companies were discriminating against some of their passengers because they were charging them an extra fare for taking up extra space on the plane.

Buses, trains and ferries have long ago stopped charging passengers in similar situations, instead adopting the agency's belief of "one passenger, one fare."

The agency's ruling means that if a disabled person needs an attendant to travel with them then that attendant gets to ride for free. Similarly, if an obese person requires two seats instead of one, they will still only be charged for one fare.

On an Air Canada flight in August 1997, McKay-Panos was charged for 1 ½ seats.

"My hips were flowing over the arm wrest," said McKay-Panos, who suffers from a chronic medical condition which exacerbates her weight problem. "My hips were basically touching the next person."

McKay-Panos is also a law professor at the University of Calgary and she credited her legal training in the case's successful conclusion.

Laurie Beachell, the national co-ordinator with the Council of Canadians with Disabilities, said the organization is "really pleased with the decision."

He said the CCD has been fighting the issue since 2002.

"There are people who need services in flight that are not provided by airline attendants," he told CTV.ca in a telephone interview from Winnipeg.

"People who are disabled need the help of an attendant to help them with positioning, eating and going to the washroom."

Beachell said that the person who represented the issue on behalf of obese passengers is not involved with the CCD but that nonetheless, the organization supports the cause.

"We recognize and understand that other people, for a variety of reasons, suffer barriers to mobility and travel and we support their fight to remove those barriers," he said.

Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Air Canada says the airline will comply with the ruling, which takes effect in January, 2009.

"We have already commenced procedures to implement this decision," said Peter Fitzpatrick. "This involves determining eligibility and programming our systems and designing training for our employees."

Fitzpatrick also told CTV.ca that the new rules only apply on domestic flights and will not apply to the domestic portion of an international flight.

He said that the airline does not have an estimate on how much it will cost to implement the new regulation.

"We believe it will be costly and difficult to administer," he said.


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peggy
said

It's about time that somebody tell the airlines to "get with it". A wheelchair is not a person, nor is the extra fat an obese person carries.


Chris Johnson, Shanty Bay
said

Good for the government, its about time that someone made big industry care about the general public as much as it cares about itself


Slumberjack
said

That people have to go this far within the court system to force capitalism to recognize the rights of the disabled speaks volumes about about the utter lack of concern in the corporate world for basic human dignity. Market share and greed override all other considerations.


an air canada employee
said

as a person who has worked at a check in counter i'd like to see how such a policy would be enforced. who doesn't want an extra seat? logistically, at what point is a person large enough to warrant the space? how would it be controlled? will passengers be asked to weigh in or measure their waistline at check in to confirm their entitlement? here's a scenario: i'm 5'10" @ 249lbs & but my neighbour is 5'10" 250lbs (or whatever qualifies.) unfair to me that he's allowed that extra space at no charge. i'm not even at par with the ruling that the airline should accommodate...

Paul
said

I support the airlines. Everyone seems to have the attitude of entitlement. The airlines are private businesses and I think it is unreasonable to expect a private business to give up revenue because of riders personal issues. The solution is simple, if you need to 2 seats then you pay for it. Why is this concept so difficult for people? If you can't afford it then you must find another way to travel. People have to start taking responsibility for their own well being and stop expecting others to do it for them.


simon
said

...I have no problem helping those that truly need it, but I'm sure there will be a lot of abuse of this.


Rob @ pickering, ont.
said

The logistics of knowing up front whether people will need the extra seats will be interesting...a tickybox that says "I'm disabled"? Might result in over bookings on some flights by a seat or two.

I think we all know that this ruling will result in a fare hike of some kind on all fares to cover the cost to the airline...and I have no problem with that for people who are legitamately disabled...but obese? ...I am well over six feet tall/250 lbs (certainly "obese", but not so much that I can't fit in my seat) and get no special consideration on the aircraft for either my height or weight, or both.
Bottom line...you want special treatment on the plane, I want to see some documentation regarding your disability, whether it be your parking sticker, disability pension forms, or whatever.


Gerald from Belleville
said

Good ruling on part of the SCC...they aren't always wrong!

The only thing I would add - as I'm not sure it's currently on the books - is that a disabled or obese person be required to produce a current medical authorization stating that they are indeed fit to travel by air. There have been cases in the US where disabled individuals (and even a few obese individuals with heart problems) sued airline companies for failure to provide "adequate medical attention" when they underwent a medical crisis mid flight. Their claim had been that despite the fact that their medical crises were directly related to their existing medical conditions, the airlines ought to have ensured flight crew personnel were trained to deal with their specific medical conditions. This makes no sense in my mind...while the airline should ensure their crew is trained in First Aid, flight attendants are not doctors or nurses and should not be expected to cater "medically" to disabled individuals any more than they do for the general public.


KW
said

I'm glad that the SC ruled against this discriminatory practice.


Sue McPherson, Oshawa
said

I agree that this opens up the field for too-strong declaration of one's rights. For example, some might choose to carry their own wheelchairs with them on a family trip, even though borrowing a wheelchair at the other end for a week was an option. But it would be their right, even if it means some poor person waiting for a standby ticket has to wait, well so what! People who assert their rights, particularly groups which have previously been oppressed in some way, often are not aware of the way they are claiming their rights at the expense of the rights of others.


Gerald from Belleville
said

I wish to clarify my statement. I agree that disabled individuals should get special consideration. HOWEVER...this consideration should extend to obese people ONLY if they are legally and medically recognized as being disabled, with a current medical note from a doctor stating that the person is indeed disabled.

The way I see it, a morbidly obese person who shows up at the ticket counter with BOTH a medical certificate stating he is disabled AND a current doctor's note stating he is medically fit to fly should be extended the one person one fare consideration.

However, a 400 lbs guy who doesn't have a medical certificate stating he is medically fit to fly and a document stating he is officially considered disabled should have to pay for that extra seat.

My two cents.


Stevie
said

So then what exactly defines "obese"? Are check-in counters going to start asking people their BMI (Body Mass Index)? An obese person at a height of 5'5" is MUCH different than an obese person at 6'5"!!


Ryan - St. Catharines
said

I think Southwest Airlines in the U.S. has this whole situation already under control. Their "persons of size" clause has set out the ability to be confortable on a flight, yet also be responsible for the comfort of all passengers without abusing the system. For customers of size such as myself, you pay upfront for the extra seat. (a required extra seat is defined as fitting between your arm rests WITHOUT intruding on to the next seats space) Once the flight has been completed, you may contact Southwest and in the event that the flight was NOT sold out, you get refunded the cost of the extra seat. So basically, if your size caused someone else to have to wait for another flight, its going to cost you, but if the space was there anyways, your comfort is free. I think its fair and very effective.


Ed
said

This is ridiculous, does this apply to every business. If I have an eating disorder should restaurants have to provide free food. This is how these company's stay in business and now they have to give there product away. Welcome to Canada, where someone else will always look after you.


Jim
said

If people are limited to carrying one or two bags, and charged extra for the bags, why shouldn't there be some charge for extremely overweight people? It uses more gas to carry them and probably have greater wear and tear on the seats. Maybe not a whole fare, but a surcharge.

The free companion thing is not fair, that's potentially 3 seats and one ticket?






John Savard
said

There is a third option. People needing an extra seat could have equality, and the airlines could also charge fares based on seats used... if the government paid for the second seat whenever needed, instead of requiring private enterprise to perform the redistributive function.


Steph
said

I can't see how this will be governed. Ticketing agents and gate staff are going to be the targets of even more abuse. Is it against my rights to ask for proof or a doctor's note outlining my condition?
This will just open it up for all kinds of challenges. For example,
If my husband and I are kind of overweight and pay for 2 seats can we get the 3rd free for "overflow"?
If I travel with a 23 month old child (who is not required to pay for a seat) then our combined weights would make me (or us) obese. So I guess we should get that second seat for free.


Simon!
said

Airlines should determine fares by weight from now on. (Your weight) x 2.2458 = A flight from Toronto to Vancouver.


Darryl
said

I'm curious to see how much farther this will go. I am 6'8" am an average weight for my height but I can't even fit in the seats on a plane and bus. My legs don't fit. My shoulders go over to the other seat. People never want to sit next to me. Where is my free ticket? :)


Demo, Campbell River BC
said

Good on you Canada, It is about time some one made a good desicion regarding this. Everybody should be treated the same, how embarising it must be getting stopped and seeing your are too big. and saying you must bye another ticket, right step in the right direction.


Nick,ON
said

I have really long legs and it's very uncomfortable sitting in one of those seats. If the wide can have two seats so should the tall! Can't wait for the legislation enforcing airlines to take out the seat in front of me now!?$%?


Stop discrimination against the tall! Rise up people and defend human rights!


Scott
said

Obese people shouldn't get two seats for the price of one. Medical condition or not, breathing air doesn't make you fat, eating does. It's preventable as far as I'm concerned. As for real disabled people, I'll all for them getting an extra seat.


Mike
said

Maybe the airlines will start charging on the basis of weight rather than bag count.

1 ticket = 300 lbs total weight, you and your luggage



Dave in Vancouver
said

"Buses, Trains, and Ferries have long ago stopped charging passengers in similar situations.." Do buses, trains, or Ferries require the use of a seat belt? I think not! You can not make a comparison like that.

As a frequent flier, I have been in a situation where an obese person should have had two seats. They were pouring over the armrest and forcing me to lean and twist to make room. How is this fair to me? I pay my airfare for 1 seat, and why should I have to share that seat with someone that can't fit into theirs.

Let's be fair people, you pay for what you use!


Gary
said

The SCC got it wrong. The wants of the few affect the travel of the majority. Buses, trains & ferries don't have the same constraints that air travel must deal with, every pound matters. To qualify for an extra seat for free I think it is not unreasonable to request a medical certificate. Also, the request must be requested when the seats are booked, you can not show up and expect accomodations to be made.


Cheri
said

Oh my goodness. People aren't going to take the wheelchair or walker into the seating area with them for heaven's sake. That's not what the seat is for. I AM disabled.. I have the sticker, I have the walker.. I also have the disability pension. There is no way anyone has a right to see my pension papers. That is my personal financial information, and no airline has a right to it.. or a person working at the counter.

When I book a flight, I let them know that I need assistance at the airport. Generally airlines are good about it. But I've come across one with very surly employees. If they can't be courteous about it rather than complaining about it to the passenger.. then maybe they should offer to fly a companion for free. Normally though I would think only people who need help through the entire flight should be able to fly the companion for free. Otherwise, there is assistance available, surly though it may be.


Chris
said

Why should we be giving the obese more rights than the slim and fit? So now someone that is obese has the right to an extra seat at no extra cost meanwhile i am 6'3" and would love the extra space but i have to pay for it. This is now giving the obese more rights than the average person. I am completely against this ruling.


Jack in Milton
said

What a joke. This had to be brought to the Supreme Court? Using valuable government resources, wasting the time of taxpayer paid judges, clerks, staff, etc. All for this ridiculous ruling. As taxpayers we should be outraged! This money could have gone to hiring a nurse, paying a disadvantaged persons tuition, hiring a teaching assistant, something useful. Instead thousands of hard earned taxpayer dollars are spent on helping fat people go on vacation more comfortably, FOR SHAME.




Carolina from the Ridge
said

Why can't the airlines use a chart showing body mass index. Overweight people could have certificates from their doctors claiming what their BMI is. A person who is overweight by 100 lb would have to pay for their weight like overweight luggage. They would get 2 seats, but the airlines would at least be compensated for the extra weight. Certification might be enough incentive to make people be more active and lose weight. I have no argument with disabled people who require assistance or wheelchairs.


winston
said

if a fat person cannot sit comfortably in a seat, they need to pay for another one. THAT'S how you define it! you don't need to devulge personal information like your weight. airlines could have a private area with a seat for the person can 'try it out'.


W. Ryan
said

No one mentions the option of losing weight. If you're too fat to fit in an airline seat, the cost of an extra seat is the least of your problems.

People jump so quickly at accomodating the obese instead of attacking the root cause...a society that ignores responsibility for our own actions and the consequences of a sedentary lifestyle.

If you're obese, the seat is not the problem. It's the danger obesity presents to you and your children that should be your main concern.


Happy Canadian
said

Interesting ruling.

I travel alot, already have 54K status miles this year (28 round trip flights, 54 flight segments) and continually watch to see what my seatmate may be. Extra large seatmates make my seat much smaller. And I really don't like this. I pay for a seat too!

Should an obese person pay for extra seats. Yes, they should. Unless they are medially certified to be obese through other causes than free will (best diet is to keep the fridge closed!.) If a recognized health professional is willing to risk signing for them, they pay for the two seats. In fact, counter people need to exert more effort to see to it that non-medically obese pay and get two seats! Give the rest of us a break! (and not just break our hips squeezed into too small a space).

If medically require a travelling companion, no issue. This means that the person is actually diabled and not just obese through free will.

I have no problem with those that need assistance for issues that are outside of their control, but free will obese do not count.


G. Benda
said

Seriously, now. I can understand that the ruling is correct. It is 'discriminatory' to charge extra for one person to pay more to travel than the next person based on one's size or personal need.

The issue now is how to deal with the rest of the 'normal' people. Do we open up 'two for one' deals? That seems unreasonable. So, go the other way: handle it like frequent flier seats. There are only a certain number of available seats per plane at the base redemption. You want to get on after that? Double your redemption. Same thing here: There are only a limited number of 'handicapped' seats per flight. They're taken? Take a later flight or pay up.

That said, I'm not sure the ruling is right.


John
said

Now the airlines will have to charge more to recover those costs involved, so we will all be paying more. Isn't this somewhat discriminatory, fat (let's call a spade a spade) people get 2 seats for the price of one???


susan
said

Who pays for it?????


Bill in Moose Jaw
said

Airlines are NOT a public service. They are run for profit. The supreme court has no business dictating to them their business practices. Perhaps a new scale system should be developed whereby you pay on the basis of weight - like luggage. You weigh up to "x" kgs, it's included in the ticket price, between "x" and "y" it cost this much more, and upwards as necessary. Like postage, only more embarrassing. Every seat "overoccupied" by an obese person costs me, another paying passanger, more money. Why are we supporting victimization?


Andrew
said

Air travel is a priveledge and not a right. In order for airlines to make money, they need to charge money for seats used. If obese people want to travel, they need to pay for the space they use, just like the rest of us. There should be no special treatment for living a gluttonous lifestyle.


noname
said

Private airline companies giving free seats to obese people wouldn't really be fair to the companies because they are losing enough money right now as it is. I agree though that if you are legitimately disabled you should be able to have an aide or heck the government should accomodate these companies. Ferries, busses, whatever, are mostly owned by the cities they run in so its still tax-payers money. but a private company? i think the feds should step in some way i wouldnt mind using some of my tax money to help people in need for transportation


Toad
said

So if you can't sit comfortably in an airline seat you get the second seat free.
Excellent!!!
Who CAN sit comfortably in one airline seat????
Two seats for all!!!!


Dale, Ottawa
said

A few months ago, a relative of mine did purchase the extra seat, en route to get stomach reduction surgery. First Class seating was not an option as those seats were not wide enough to fit, and the rests between seats in First Class are immovable.

He remains the same one person now as then, and in the upcoming months as he approaches goal weight, he will remain the one person.

People are not cargo, where the size of the person determines the charge.

I do agree that there are practical aspects. One: a medical certificate may be an option. Two, if a person cannot fit into a seat, that should tell the airline that the person has a special need. If he or she cannot fit into a First Class seat, it tells us more.

Whatever the practical aspects, asking extra payment from some individuals for a basic flight denies both respect and dignity to them, and by proxy, the rest of us.


Sick of Speacial Treatment
said

How safe is it to have a wheelchair unsecured in an airplane cabin? Shouldn't they be stowed somewhere? I don't like sitting beside fat people who ooze into my seat space, maybe I should have the right to keep an empty seat between me and them, I pay for a whole seat and use of the arm rests so I should not have to share with someone who does not take care of their health.


Jodsta
said

I would have to agree that exceptions should be made for disabled people...but I must add: When did they start classifying obese people as disabled? With all the information in our world regarding proper nutrition and exercise - "obesity" shouldn't exist at all. Disabled people can't help it; obese people can.


Grant
said

Interesting to see how they implement this. If they do this at boarding, what happens when an obese individual requires two seats and all the seats on the plane have been sold?

Also, if a person requires two seats...how do they safely buckle up when the seats and buckles were most likely designed for single use.

Although, I wouldn't mind two tray tables during flights...one for the laptop, the other for lunch


Elaine
said

I have a hard time with this one. I truly understand the needs of the truly disabled. If someone is legitimately disabled, i.e. confined to a wheelchair, they should not have to pay for any extra ticket. A wheelchair is not a person but rather the legs of a disabled person. But since when has being a glutton become a disability? Why should they (the obese person) to be rewarded with an extra seat because they show no self control? I work out and watch what I eat, why should I be punished with one seat only. Just because it fits into your mouth does not mean you have to eat it. All this teaches is that the greedy people get rewarded. I feel sorry for the airlines, obesity is not a disability; this is something that you do to yourself. You have made a bad choice and now you should have to live with the consequences. Call it tough love. If we keep shielding people from the consequences of their actions, how will they ever learn or want to change?


G-Money
said

I agree with making room for the disabled. BUT, why should someone who just hasnt taken care of themself get a bonus seat??? And what about tall people? Can they have an extra seat too? What's next? "Sir, you're skinny enough to share with that skinny person". As a slim person, I often wonder why i cannot fly with more carry-on luggage than someone who weighs 100lbs more than i do.


WideLoad
said

The airlines already have a subjective method for determining obesity. They get you to sit in a seat and if you don't fit or can't get the seatbelt on you're considered too big and must pay for an extra seat. I've never had to pay extra but I'm right on the edge of having to (6ft, 325lbs). Look, I'll squeeze my fat ass into any seat I have to and will put up with the discomfort, the extra seat, in my opinion, is so fellow travelers don't have to sit next to me. Despite my fat ass barely fitting into the seat it doesn't change the fact that I'm more than 50% wider than most people across the shoulders and there's no amount of squeezing or squirming that's going to change that. In my opinion, the airlines should be able to accomodate bigger travelers without charging them more and to those who disagree I ask why do you care? You're just showing your hatred and discrimation towards fat people. Trust me we're not exactly getting a more comfortable flight than regular sized folks. Anyone flying coach who is obese and over 6ft tall can attest to that. Nothing in an airline seat is designed for us. Dinner trays push up against our bodies or sit directly on our laps, when the seat in front comes down we are awfully close to getting a faceful of strangers' hair, and don't get me started about the bathrooms. I book my flights months in advance, the airplanes are fully modifiable, I should be able to request a slightly wider seat be installed to accomodate my girth. Tall fliers can get this treatment...I've seen a front seat removed for a 7ft tall man.


Wake Up Call
said

Ryan - What you describe sounds reasonable to me. If you cause someone flying standby to not be able to fly you should pay for both seats. If you were to cause someone to be bumped you should pay for both seats or offer to be the person who is bumped.


Lex
said

Well some of these obese people need to be letting the airlines know that they don't 'fit' in one seat, that they need two.
Nothing worse then having to share your seat with an extremely large perspiring person from Halifax to vancouver. It was not fun.

I get the disabled ruling but obsese isn't disabled unless they are actually carrying the paperwork that says they are disabled.


E.D., Windsor
said

In the case where an individual is severely disabled, meaning they need an individual to travel with them (ie: they can't walk, etc), this is a great ruling. I don't know how I feel about the "obese" issue though, I feel that will be hard to rule.


Nora
said

I do beleive this is getting to be a can of warms. What's next? Will obese people get a free meals with the free seat. Where is this gonna stop? To my knowledge of flying, obese people should purchase a first class ticket if they don't fit in economy seat because if they don't fit in the seat they sure can't walk in the aisle or fit in the washroom...So be it. I would be very mad if I loose an opportunity to fly because of one person using two seats, ie: one free. Not acceptable.


Don from Calgary
said

Flying an airline passenger jet is not a right...it's a choice. A private business offers a service, you are free to choose wether you want to use their service or not. I know a lot of people don't like to hear this, but, they are in this to make money...and there's nothing wrong with that.


Sherry
said

I have an 11 year old daughter with severe CP, I don't have an issue with paying for her travel, my issue is the accessiblilty. Her chair can only go as far as the door of the aircraft, not good! She is very heavy at 85lbs and unable to support any of her own weight, it is not fair that myself and my husband has to put our health at risk by carrying her on board the plane and securing her in a car seat that is far too small for her. There should be an accessible route onboard the aircraft with a place allowed for her chair to be bolted to the floor. She has the right to travel, her wheelchair is very much a part of who she is. The ruling should have been for all airlines to make the aircraft fully wheelchair accessible.


Terri
said

This is going to make air travel very expensive for me (with one bag usually around 25 lbs) and I weight around 130lbs. Cost of transportation per pound for me is far more than an obese person with far too many belongings.

At the risk of sounding too cheeky and insensitive, perhaps Air Canada should should consider having people (and all their baggage) stand on a scale and charge per pound.

They would save tons of money b/c people will suddenly decide that they don't need to pack the kitchen sink for a weekend trip.


Geoff Badger
said

In my opinion it's a user pay system. You need two seats, you pay two fares. I thought a major factor in airline transportation was weight. If the baggage is too heavy, you pay extra. Why not charge people by the pound?


MMark
said

The obese won't be getting an extra seat for free. YOU will be paying for it. The airline is going to make the rest of us absorb the cost. Obese get to overindulge and you get to pay for it.


Keith in Brampton
said

The airlines will need to demand that need to accomodate be addressed at the time of booking the flight. Otherwise, if passengers are allowed to show up at the gate and say they need extra space, on full flights that's going to mean bumping another passenger to in order to accomodate.

I think it is incumbent on the Canadian Transportation Agency to set clear rules that the airlines can rely on; it should not be up to the airlines to define who gets accomodated and who doesn't.


Thors Runi
said

As with pets, the airlines will only limit a certain amount of seats for the domestic flights. IE there is a max 4 pets in cabin, and there are other limits as well. The airlines don't sell their whole inventory at a seat sale price. I would say that there is only 1-2 seats available for these people. One thing is that the price of seats has just gone up. Airlines do work around these types of rulings.


trunorth
said

What am I missing here? If a person is going to occupy two seats, should he/she not pay for both? Whose fault is it that someone is obese? And think of the abuse! Let's see now, how can I somehow convince the airline that I am wheelchair ridden so that both my wife(caregiver) and I can get a round trip to Cancun for the price of one? We are living in a society where far too many are looking to get something for nothing. And it is not surprising that our wacky SCC is helping them get it. And who is going to pick up this extra tab? If you guessed the airline--WRONG!


Glenn
said

This court decision may sound simple, however it will definately put alot of strain on the airline industry who in the end every consumer will be paying for it. they run a business, and you don't run a business buy throwing in free seats, trust me the cost is passed on. The legally disabled I agree with and if my ticket goes up a buck because of it fine. A doctors note will prove that. The obese people receiving a free seat is where I draw the line. Who classify's as obese. Alot of factors that determine it are your height and weight.You could have 2 people 200lbs, one 6'3 one 5' tall. The 5' tall would be "clinically obese", the 6'3" person Not obese. Extra tall peolple don't fit in seats either. I'm tall and don't fit in seats due to leg room, but ya know what, if i want to fly i just gotta suck it up. I don't expect a free seat. I geuss I have to find an obese friend who doctors say is disabled because of their size, then say I'm their "assistant" and fly for free to mexico in the winters.....


Alan
said

Sometimes stupidity reigns supreme. An airplane is a cargo mover, plain and simple; it's a matter of size and weight. If I can't fit in one seat beacuse I chose to overeat then I must purchase a second seat and I must never make my neighbour uncomfortable.


Dawn Toronto
said

I find it incredible that people in today's educated society have decided that all obese people are that way by choice.

As an obese person, I eat well, excercise whenever possible, oh and I have a documented medical condition that makes losing weight extremely hard. I lose some and reach a plateau for months at a time.

While I do not believe that obese people should get extra room for free, I believe that the airlines do need to update their equipment.

Airplane accidents have occurred due to excess weight of passengers and baggage. This occurred because the airlines were using a mathematical equation first introduced in the 1950's. They have since determined that society as a whole weighs about 15% more now than in the 1950's. So why with that information available, are the airlines still trying to shove people into seat dimensions set in the 1950's?

Re-design the equipment in economy class, for the wider, and the taller. Then let's talk about charging people for extra seats, or extra leg room.



Craig Alberta
said

I should not be discriminated against for being skinny.


Charley Rose
said

Some of you people are really insensitive. Don't you think that an obese person will be intimidated enough having to tell the check in counter clerk that they are picking up a ticket for an obese person? I don't think you quite get the sensitivity of this matter. Once regulations and policies are in place, everyone will know the limitations and expectations to qualify. Air Canada employees will receive training and will learn how to 'measure up' a customer upon sight, to verify that they are indeed disabled. If you can see they are of large girth, they won't fit in one seat. Hello? Do you get it now? By the way, can the arm rests be removed to accomodate this person's body frame? Just wondering. Don't be so cruel people, show a little respect.


Dave in Newington
said

I would not consider myself obese,but I am big....6'3" and 255 lbs ain't exactly small economy size....and I have major probs with legroom etc on airliners.
However the last few times I have flown I have been put in a double seat on my own at the very rear of the aircraft....nice!
I was told this was due to tall/large people getting fatal blood clots in their legs due to being in cramped places for to long....
Anyone else heard of this?


Perplexed in the Peg
said

To you people crying of discrimination against you because you're tall! Give me a break! Obesity is a disease.... is tallness a disease? Can you obtain a medical note from a physician saying so? Pleeease?


T-Man
said

This is great news! I will simply tell the airline that I am booking a flight on I am obese, and not to book the seats next to me. No more elbows in the gut while my neighbour adjusts his seat belt, no more getting out of the way to let my neighbour use the washroom. I will have the whole row of seats to myself! Thanks SCC!


DrKayotica
said

I can understand a disabled person who requires an extra seat either for equipment or a companion, but an obese person?
An obese person has made a choice to be that way, and don't you all go telling me that its medical.I have seen the way most people in North America now live and choose to eat. So its a choice, when will society stop always freely accepting that obesity is acceptable!?
The airlines should not have to accomodate someone who is just plain fat!


Cat
said

I am happy. We fly on US carriers back and forth to the US, becuase they must abide by American ADA laws even in Canada. I hope this helps the many autistic and other special needs folks in Canada. Thank you Supreme Court!!


Rosy
said

I worked for the airline industry for several years - at the airport and at the reservations center. There will be abuse with this new ruling, because everyone wants an extra seat so they can be more comfortable, or suddenly everyone has a bad leg or feels claustrophobic. I agree that people should take responsibility for their own issues and private-owned businesses shouldn't have to pay for them. What will be considered overweight? You're okay at 299lbs but at 300lbs you are considered overweight and get an extra seat???? Okay that's great let me eat my way to a free seat???? I think this ruling just opens up a whole bunch of other ways of abusing the airlines rules and regulations. And I already think that the airlines carry the worst burdens already with fuel prices and the economic crisis. Who will determine if you are overweight??? The travel agent who wants the repeat customer??? I have seen the abuse from the passengers', travel agents' and from employees' - this will just cause more frustration for everyone.


lionel
said

discrimination against the obese is wrong and no different than discrimation of any other kind.Why should I pay double,I camnnot leave my weight at home like baggage and nor do I want to make the person sitting next to me un comfortable .Why should I be made to feel ridiculed by attendants wanting to weigh me Maybe the airlines should be made to offer some larger sized seats for people who need them.concerts sporting events etc all try to accommodate whereever they can.


Tired of not getting what I paid for.
said

I would like to know how this will affect the comfort of the person sitting next to the obese passenger. I have no issue with the ruling regarding disabled passengers but if the obese person shows up at the counter, only paid for one seat, then takes the space of the passenger sitting next to you, I would be livid as I paid for my seat -all of my seat. I've already experienced obese passengers taking my "space" while on an aircraft. This ruling obviously was made by judges who fly business class and not economy.


concerned
said

If you don't fit in a small car you don't buy one. Should car companies offer upgrades to larger cars at no cost? Maybe gas companies should offer subsidies for the same reason. Many of you applauding this decision would change your tune if you were bumped from a flight because the airline HAD to give your seat to someone overweight, and for free!


Joe Canuck
said

For the disabled person, I completely agree. They have needs that cannot normally be attended to.

For the fat guy - forget it! As far as I am concerned, charge by weight! I am 6'4" and weigh 215 so I won't be cheap...maybe I should get a free seat because I am too tall?


chh
said

I understand the disable person not having to pay..but being obese is NOT a disablility. They let themselves get like that you have to pay...some will think this is mean and rude but you must take accountablility of your actions no matter what they are


Dave
said

I think only beautiful people like me should be flying.


Scott
said

This isn't about prejudice about obese people. I couldn't care less if an obese person doesn't pay for the extra seat, I just don't want to be bumped, moved or shoved in order to accommodate someone who is obese.

If obesity is a disability, then should alcohol be banned on flights because of alcholics may be present on the flight? where does this end?

The Supreme Court just opened Pandora's box.





Hugh , Vancouver
said

l'm happy for all Canadians and non-Canadians who have had to struggle to get their dignity restored by this decision! Congratulations to CCD and other organizations who have helped fight to achieve this recent SCC ruling.
These companies who put out these discriminatory rules in the first place did not do their due diligence in consulting with the Canadian Human Rights Act but rather acted selfishly w/o regards
to those so disadvantaged in our society.




FatBastard
said

Right on! A couple of pillows around my girth for sleeping on two seats later will get me a comfy ride.


Tsotsi
said

OK, strike yet another blow against the concept of cause & effect. After all, why should what I do mean I need to experiences any consequences?

So... before the knives get too deep... yes, I accept that there are people with disabilities. Such people justifiably, in the kind of society I like to live in, receive additional help from the rest of the population. Obesity, in most cases, is NOT a disability. It is a default choice made over years of poor habits.

Airlines pay $x per kilo moved. They currently levy their charge across passengers by using that mythical "average passenger" weight. So, short, thin people with only a carry-on end up subsidising tall, heavy people with their full allowance. Is this fair to short, thin people? No. They are being discriminated against by higher prices.

The effect of this ruling is to institutionalise the fundamentally unfair practise of cross-subsidisation. I guess the next step will be to require non drug addicts to pay for the treatment of addicts. Oh, wait...

My suggestion: price airline tickets by the kilo moved (passenger + luggage).

BTW - for those of you distilling your vitriol, I'm tall and above average weight, so I'd pay extra.


Fr. Regina - in Seoul, SK
said

The disabled, I can understand,...the obese thing - W-T-H(unless if medical, of course)


Steve P
said

This is a ridiculous farce... air travel is not a constitutional right... if you are travelling and need an attendant, you should pay for both fares. If you can't afford 2 seats then stay at home like my wife and I have to.


ANN
said

So nice to see our tax dollars at work encouraging the lazy. Think also of the extra dollars their medical condition is costing the health care system. If they have to pay extra for their excess weight maybe they will start thinking about getting off their but, exercising and eating right.


Scott ONT
said

As a frequent traveller I think this is absurd. There are other methods of travel if you can't afford the extra seat. Rest assured the cost will be redistributed to the other passengers, after all, the airlines are in business to make money. In order to do that in this day and age they must maximize revenue on all flights. I think Southwest's policy would work without a doubt if the airlines were given a chance to implement it. But to say that anyone deserves two seats for the price of one on a full flight is ridiculous. I'm a big guy and as luck has it, more often than not, I'm stuck next to someone of considerable size as well. Uncomfortable? Yes? But I choose to fly as opposed to taking the bus / train.

Which I might add can easily charge one fare for two seats because they are NEVER sold out. When's the last time you took a bus or train and sat elbow to elbow. Their prices are structured for a non capacity system so this policy doesn't affect their bottom line anyways.

I'm not saying the disabled don't have special needs, just that it's not just to force the cost on the other airline passengers. If it's that big an issue, make it a government grant such as the northern ontario travel grant when we're forced to travel south for special medical treatment.


Sid in MTL
said

Next we'll see the SCC require that all flight attendants be registered nurses as was the case in the early days of air travel. People already pay more for the on-board air marshal why not add a few more $$ to the ticket price and include a flight surgeon.

Not a bad idea come to think about it. Perhaps less flights would have to be re-routed or delayed due to in-flight medical issues if the staff were qualified and equipped.

Best way out for the airlines is to charge by combined weight of passenger (s) and articles.


Craig - London
said

looks like a lot of fat people have been posting their comments. the disabled side of things, ok, i get it. but, obese? ridiculous. it's an easy equation, and it works in ALL cases: calories in vs. calories out. if someone messes that simplicity up for the years it takes to become obese, then they should be responsible for the results. enough entitlement. instead, let's try to push accountability.


kn
said

Whats next? I cant sit on the chair at the movie theater so give me an extra. I cant fit into my barber chair, need a bigger one? I cant fit into that roller coaster sit, install a bigger one and a bigger seat belt?


J in Hamilton
said

This ruling is going to open a Pandora's Box of humans rights issues and other problems. At what point is someone considered obese? At what point is someone considered disabled to the point of requiring an extra seat? Will airplanes soon have to be made wider to accomodate scooters? How much will these changes cost, and at what point do these costs get passed down to ordinary travelers? I don't my airline tickets to go up in price because someone eats themselves into obesity and feels they're entitled to extra space.


Laughing at porkchop
said

Glad to see pricing by wieght is going to be coming in.


LM
said

I fully agree with the part about the disabled. The part for the obese is simply wrong. Fat people are fat by choice and deserve no special treatment or consideration for gluttony!


Samantha
said

I agree with Paul, I support the airlines. The sense of entitlement that some people have is terrible; remember when you worked or paid for what you got?
Also, it isn't that NO ONE is paying for these seats, we - the people that take care of ourselves and pay for our tiny plane seat, will now be respondsible to pay a portion for these seats. If a person has a serious disability, I can understand not discriminating against them, but providing a caretaker a seat for free!? So will the elderly that require a caretaker for their dementia also be given the same consideration - when will it stop? Where can you draw that line?
$$$$$


John Spartan
said

I agree with disabled persons getting special seating, however I totally disagree with obese persons getting special privileges for a problem of their own making. Take responsibility for your obesity and quit making it the airlines' responsibility to park your fat butts on the aircraft.


Gerry H Vancouver
said

Yes agreed, but I'm with John Savard in that the Government should pay for that seat.
How can we expect a business to cover for the extra cost? That cost should be covered by the society that demands the extra service.


Mr Slim
said

How ridiculous! Special consideration for those with disabilities I can understand but, being obese is not a disability (except for incredibly few medical reasons. Note, eating fast food all the time is not a medical condition). Why should I, a thin person, have to cover the cost of providing more space for a fat person? Come to think of it, why not charge us "By the weight" for a ticket, including body weight AND luggage!


RAV
said

After reading the comments of the posters here it is obvious that definition of the regulations will be critical. The news item does not set out the particulars of the case and why the Supreme Court ruled as it did. We will find out before the end of the year when the airlines will have to abide by the new ruling.

That being said there is obviously a difference of opinion with regard to what is being disabled and what is being obesely overweight. For air travel purposes the assistance of an attendant for positioning, eating and washroom assistance during a flight seems like reasonable justification. The question regarding obesity is more difficult to define. It becomes a question of comfort not only for the obese individual but those persons adjacent to them. The purpose of the trip comes into question. Is the trip necessary for medical treatment? Is it for vacation, entertainment or familial reasons? Death in a family etc. The scenario gets murky and may be open to abuse. Appropriate fees for service and the comfort of all travellers may be difficult to define. It is unfortunate that the case before the Supreme Court combined obesity and disability into the same case.


Tony, Ontario
said

I'm over 6ft and do not fit in the seats comfortably. Can I please be guaranteed an emergency exit seat or a seat in Business/first class? Alternatively, could you please remove the row of seats in front of me.

I'm not fat but "over-long"

Thanks for accommodating me (at everyone else's cost)


Meesh , Pembroke Ontario
said

Hey people listen up!!! It's some peoples faults they are overweight, and people who need extra help!! Just cuzz someone is over weight doesnt mean anything, If they need two seats they need two seats! I dont think they should have to pay for them.. Everyone comes in different SIZES! not everyone is a size freaken 2! Don't judge people just cuzz they are over weight , you dont know their family history do you? NO you dont so shut it... Bigger people are just the same as you they have feelings too ya know.. and some of your stupid comments make me sick!! I think it is fair they dont have to pay for a 2nd seat! you all wont stay skinny for the rest of your lives what if it was your in their spot? your mother is dying and u have to be at her bedside and wait YOU can only afford ONE SEAT, but you need two cuzz your a little bigger! You dont know the whole stories to things.. So please think before you speak!


Chris in Ajax
said

I am perplexed as to all the support for this ruling. Why should you not pay for what you use? A disabled person that requires a companion is fine by me but those that are obese. Flying is not a right and airlines are a for profit business that should not be made to pay for peoples excesses. If you take up two seats and you are not disabled (no, obesity is not a disability) you pay for two seats. Stop trying to make others pay for your largesse!


Brian
said

I am a paraplegic and fly 2-3 times a year.
The wheelchair will never go into the plane with the passengers it goes under with the cargo
Making a plane wheelchair accessible is just a waste of money, they have a skinny chair to get wheelchair users on and off the plan it works fine. During the Paralympics they had over 80 people in wheelchairs on a single plane no problems
I don’t agree with an overweight person getting an extra seat for free



Another2cents
said

To Slumberjack
If you have ever worked for a large corporation at the lower end of the pay scale you should already know that all they care about is the almighty dollar. If they don't see a profit in it, it doesn't rate consideration. They don't discriminate, they just don't concern themselves with anything
that won't see a return.
Anything that will cost them is worse.


Becky
said

I am a mother of a child who is in a wheelchair and has multiple handicaps. Of course, this ruling would make things easier for us, if we travel, but I wonder, if the government wanted to do this, if it wouldn't have been better to have a governemnt funding source to which people could apply for reimbursement for the extra expenses. Then, the government and not the airline would assume the burden of cost and the issues surrounding implementation. Then, I wouldn't be in the awkward position of asking for a service from the airline which I know is being forced on them and may be offered grudgingly.


Put the fork down or shell out the $$
said

So who makes up the difference for the extra seat? The able bodied, that who. Rights? HA! More like punishment for the sins of others. Now I can understand someone who is crippled, needs a chair, etc. Those cases should of been accomodated at the get go. But for the guy who's 400 lbs and can't put the fork down, why should I have to pay more for his gluttony? This is not about rights people, this is about greedy people in an energy crisis. And whats worse, events like this only encourage the obese that they will be accomodated - so they can keep eating and laughing at everyone paying for their weight.


Paul
said

I am disabled and I know two things where this ruling is concerned.

1. Like parking premits it will be abused and misused.

2. The airlines will need to adjust their seating capacity and as a result, air travel just got more expensive for just about everyone.

I agree with the poster who wondered how this will be enforced. What's the proof? What's the weight cut off? Does a bad heart mean you need an attendant (likely a spouse) who HAS to come with you? This is political correctness run amuck.


Ken
said

Show me the obese anywhere in the world where there is a shortage of food. There are none. Whats next, demanding two meals for the price of one? I have zero pity for the "obese".


LJ
said

I'm disabled(certifide)and full figured(caused by medical conditions, NOT my lack of self control). I can't travel alone and must travel some times for business. I require an attendant. I have always purchased 2 tickets, even though it has caused financial hardship at times. I have even had to turn down opportunities because I can't travel alone and couldn't afford 2 tickets. I applaud this new ruling. It will open up doors for me.

I have had nothing but good experiences with a variety of airlines. Their staff have alwasy been considerate, thoughful and respectful of my special needs.

My hope for the future is that the general public will become better informed about medical issues. Just because we are not like everyone else on the outside doesn't mean we are any different as people. We deserve to be treated with dignity, equality and respect, just like everyone else.


Mo
said

Finally I can travel as easy as others do. I have a guide dog and I'm blind. I usually travel alone. The airlines been usually helpful, but sometimes when they want to sell extra seats, I don't have any leg space because my dog is sleeping under my legs. My dog is also very uncomfortable. Once I asked them to let me have the seat beside me empty, and they said it's up to the passenger to agree to move and the passenger didn't want to move and I had to suffer because of it.


bill catalano sudury, on
said

The obese should do us all a favour and take a hike. Literally! Walking will shed the pounds as well as take a load off our overburdened health care system. Lest anyone think I am intolerant, I should add that I am disabled. Would I ever take advantage of the ruling? Perhaps, but I would never have been so bold as to bring a suit of this nature.


ThingsJustGotReal
said

Ridiculous... absolutely ridiculous.

First of all, people are wrongly blaming obesity on genetics. Has genetics really changed that much during one or two generation cycles? Obesity is skyrocketting, and it has much less to do with a person's genes than it does with what they're eating.

1) Stop eating processed fast foods.
2) Stop drinking sugary pop.
3) Stop eating when you are no longer hungry, not when you are so full you want to vomit.
4) Drink 2+ liters of water a day.
5) Exercise every day.
6) Stop blaming society for not conforming to you, change yourself.
7) Stop blaming others for your shortcomings.
8) Stop the self-pity and do something about it.

I think instead of forcing airlines to subsidize fat people's tickets, we need to have a fund to tattoo the 8 above rules to their foreheads.


Michael R
said

Airline seats are small enough as it is... what if they were 1/2 the size they are now? Most children would fit 1 seat, but adults in general would need 2... so that would mean 3/4 of people would have to purchase a second seat ticket? Come on... get real. 1 person, 1 ticket purchase. Simple as that. Airlines can afford the loss of the occasional seat.


bbl
said

I guess being fat pays -2 seats for the price of one .Why should a private airline subsidize overweight passengers
What next , if a kid wants to travel does the parent or adult go free .



bruce
said

Does this mean that 3 men 6 feet tall and over 200lbs with not have to sit next to eachother? Who gets the upgrade on a full flight. Who get bounced off a full flight because one person needs two seats instead of one?

Note the disable person should get some consideration but someone who is too large to fit in one seat should pay for a seat that will accomadate them.


nishnob
said

What is next? First, because of a minute minority, peanuts were banned. By the way, to carry a bag of peanuts onto a flight is okay. And also, how come Cathay Pacific, Thai Airways and Jet Airways still offer peanuts on flights? Shouldn't we force them to ban peanuts on their flights also? I suggest that the extra cost incurred by the airlines be charged to the SCC and the CCD. Lets see how fast they will change their minds about this.


JSG
said

what's next? are tall people going to start complaining because there isn't enought room for their legs? if they're going to say you can't discriminate against obese people than they shouldn't discriminate against those who are vertically challenged . . . when will this stop ???


JSG
said

I agree with Mike whole heartedly !!!

1 ticket = 300 lbs. (luggage and yourself included).


Mr. Anonemouse
said

An extra seat for a diabled person I agree with, but if you are obese for any other reason other than a medical problem than why should the airlines need to pay because you ate to much?


Irv, PLP,MB
said

qualify for free seat status. I don't think obesity is a disease as someone stated. My Daughter was obese and very self-conscientious about it and was determined to lose 100 lbs that she has maintained for about 3 years now and feeling very happy about it. Perhaps more of us should try to use our energies to improve our


Bean Pole
said

If it people wider than one seat get two, wouldn't it be fair for people longer than the alloted space to get more leg room?


First class is the only place my knees aren't pressed up against the seat in front of me. And I'm no basketball prodigy, I'm only 6 foot 2 inches! At least the majority of obese people have the option to diet (excepting the small minority with thyroid issues, my heart goes out to them)- no diet will make my legs shorter!


Canuck in Bellingham WA
said

hmm another comment.

If people want a hand out, then they should have to fly "standby". The airline has to put up with extra weight of the "fat bastards" but not lose ticket sales.

And whine all you want, obesity is a disease that you choose. Yeah it's tougher for some than others, but I don't have much sympathy for drug addicts, smokers or drinkers either. (And I have one of those problems myself).

Another idea, charge them an extra half fare ... and I do like the idea of a weight surcharge too. I would likely get hit by that one too. How about .1% of the ticket price for every pound you and your luggage weigh over 150lbs?

In my case a $300 ticket would cost an exra $15. Fair enough? The really fat buggers at 400 lbs would have to anti up an extra $80 or so ...




Irv, PLP,MB
said

health issues and we may be more comfortable in 1 seat than expecting someone else to pay for a free seat. If uncomfortable in mid-size vehicle, one opts for a full size model not a smartcar and do not anticipate someone else will pay for it.


H,Ng
said


If someone who is over weight and can 2 seats for the price of one on the air plane, does it mean the rest of the industries has to follow too ?

Like the subways, bus, streetcars, park bench seats, movie threater seats etc. When will it end!

And wouldn't it be a tough job for the employee to ask a customer to step ON THE SCALE before they charge the customers?

Isn't it suppose to be the individual to understand that they ARE THE ONE who has the problem - not asking the general public to feel SORRY for them!

What happen if an UNDER WEIGHT customer (like a lot of Chinese) gets on the plane, are they expect to pay half price ONLY!

This is getting too complicated!

It is suppose to be a personal issue which belongs to that individual to solve - not us, not the doctor, not the Government certainly NOT the Court!

SUGGESTION: LOSS WEIGHT AND ENJOY LIFE! STOP COMPLAINING! PROBLEM SOLVED!


Christina
said

This is discrimination against non-fat people because of the extra charges tacked on for extra baggage. Why should I have to pay extra for my baggage, even though the combined total weight of me and my bags could be less than the weight of one obese person? I have severely sensitive skin, so I always need to bring along a several-pound tub of my own moisturizer when I travel. So why should I have to pay extra (the extra baggage charge) for my medical condition (there is no cure for sensitive skin), when obese people don't have to pay extra for theirs (and there are cures for obesity)?


Luna
said

It would be best if the armrests could be adjusted to within 1" of the hips of every person on the plane. Then all the skinny people who need to eat more get what they NEED and the fat people who need to eat less get what they NEED. Then we can move on to dealing with the people, skinny or fat, who smell bad, talk incessantly about nothing, get airsick, have halitosis, get drunk on flights, and have screaming children that they do nothing about.


james
said

I agree Simon

No one has an issue with the disabled getting special consideration; although an attendant flying free seems absurd. I had to pay for a someone to accompany my son on a flight when he was underage and that $50 cost would seem reasonable.

Two seats for obesity on the other hand, is nonsense. Obesity can be controlled and is usually the result of laziness and over eating. Simon is right, base tickets on an average person's weight and prices go up for every pound over that average. No one is discriminated. The extra weight costs extra fuel and now, apparently, extra space.

Sometimes I wish they would gut the SCC and put in people with IQs over 40 and with a modicum of common sense.


James
said

This is absurd. I have to pay tons of money if I want to pack 2kgs more than my 20kg suitcase or whatever the weight limit for a particular airline. Based on my personal requirements for shoes, computers etc, I have a personal requirement for more luggage. My wife has a requirement for a foot stool since her legs don't ever reach the ground comfortably.

Maybe the airlline should just have a total weight limit per person, say 300 lbs. You can either fill it with your body or luggage.


Good Luck
said

Last sentence of the article:

"We believe it will be costly and difficult to administer," he said.

You bet - and guess who's going to pay..... and good luck trying to control the abuse....a person who is 10 lbs under the pre-determined weight limit will wear an extra 10lbs of clothes, just to get the free seat!

Oh, and to the person who said "obesity is a disease", and "tallness is not"...May I point out that in the majority of cases Obese people have a choice..Tall people do not!

I feel really bad for the airline personnel who are going to have to deal with this....just when you thought you've seen it all? it keeps getting worse!



Dave in Calgary
said

I have no issues with obese people, however, I do not think its fair that private companies should be taking a hit of lost revenue due to giving seats away for comfort. Obesity is not a disability, its a condition that can be treated and correct with nutrition & proper exercise. In the world we live in today, knowing what we know, there should be no reason for people to be that overweight!! Say goodbye to seats sales & low air fare Canada...We're gonna pay for this some way or another!


Happy Canadian
said

Interesting comments.

First, the SCC did not make this decision, Transport Canada did, but the SCC refursed to hear the case (therby agreeing with Transport Cananda). Blame the right group of morons.

Second, Wheelchairs are not on the plane, special wheelchairs are used to get those whow require it, and the passengers wheelchair goes in cargo. Those that require a travel companion for acceptable reasons do need this ruling.

Someone commented that airplanes should be equipped to handle special wheelchairs. I don't agree, this is a major safety issue, and there is special equipment available to handle most situations. Your choice is to travel according to the availability, the same as the rest of us.

Obesity is not a choice? Very rarely would I accept this statement. Dr note required or kick in the price for your gluttony. someone mentioned that this is insensitive as an obese person would have to embarass themselves to get the seat. Why? It is not an invisible injury! If you qualify by medical reasons, you accept the issue and cannot really be embarassed!

Necessary handicapped assistance: yes.

Gluttonous FatA%%: NO!


We will all pay higher fares for this one.
said

OMG I can not believe the posts on here. I am a doctor less than 10% of the people in Canadian society that are obesse are so due to medical conditions. The rest I am sorry to say lead an unhealthy lifestyle. IE 90% of OBESSE people are not disabled.
Again out courts reward those who make poor life decisions and punish those who make good decisions.
Who do you people think is going to pay for this? the airlines? NO they will raise ticket prices on everyone to pay for yet another form of Government welfare. This is absolute madness. Being OBESSE and being disabled are 2 different things. One is medical one is not. The courts again show how out of touch they are.


Brenda Casey, Vancouver
said

The ruling is exciting and yet limiting. Being in a wheelchair, I can take my attendant free f charge only in Canada -- not internationally nor on the Canadian portion of the international flight. This remains discriminatory as I still require the same in-flight care internationally as I do within Canada. Does this mean that prejudice is alleviated only within my home country and is reinstated the moment I want to leave it? Would able-bodied people settle for this kind of marginalization?


Wes
said

Are not planes restricted to the amount of weight that they can have on board to safely take off and fly with.

Getting closer to the phrase, nobody works, nobody gets hurt.




Cathy
said

I see alot of "choose to be fat" .."choose to be unfit"... "choose to over eat".....do you'all choose to be stupid!


nitus
said

Being fat is good for getting out of jail early, and now for a free airline seat!

Just when was it that being fat became a disability, and not simply lousy fitness and poor impulse control?


M. Cameron
said

as a person with a physical disability (who is NOT fat) I find it offensive that we would even be put into the same group.


Pamela Elaraj
said

Thats all very well but what about the Minsitry of Transport rulings that requires children as young as two to purchase a seat.
I am all for human rights but thats going too far. It will hurt the Airlines bottom line and we all know what happens then.
Pamela


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