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Date: Sat. Nov. 15 2008 1:31 AM ET
Leaders of the G20 nations are meeting in Washington but no one is expecting they can come out with a magic bullet to put down the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
"We've got to focus our attention on getting the world economy growing," Prime Minister Stephen Harper said ahead of Saturday's meeting.
The G20 leaders are discussing how to jump start the slumping economy and whether to impose more government control over banks and other lenders.
U.S. President George Bush opposes more regulation, but the real question is where does president-elect Barack Obama stand?
Obama, is noticeably absent from the meetings, but has representatives there.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper came down hard on the Bush administration Friday, blaming their policies for the global economic crisis.
"It is not a secret to anybody that in a very real way this problem began in the United States with a completely inadequate regulation of the financial sector," Harper said at Conservative convention in Winnipeg before heading to Washington later in the day.
But he said it is vital that leaders "spend most of our time dealing with the issue of how we will move forward and get the world economy moving again, and obviously undertake the kinds of financial regulations necessary to avoid this type of a crisis."
Bush continues to stand by his guns however, saying regulation is not the answer.
"The greatest threat to economic prosperity is not too little government involvement in the market, it is too much government involvement in the market," the unpopular outgoing president said.
Obama's people meet Harper's people
While Harper was waiting to sit down with the current U.S. president at the G20 summit meeting in Washington, his officials were busy meeting with representatives of Obama's.
The meeting between the Canadian contingent and former secretary of state Madeleine Albright and onetime Republican congressman Jim Leach, both representing Obama at the G20 conference, took place Friday morning.
It was the first first-to-face meeting between Canadian officials and Obama's team since the historic Nov. 4 election.
CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife, reporting from Washington, said the meeting is a good sign for Canada-U.S. relations.
"It means we're being listened to and we're not being ignored," he said.
Fife said on CTV's Mike Duffy Live there are two tracks going on concurrently at the G20 meeting, one being lead by George Bush's agenda and "the real story, that is, what is Barack Obama to go when he takes over on January 20."
"The Canadian government has been working hard behind the scenes to get in touch with the transition team players in what will be the Obama administration."
A senior Harper official did not provide details on the meeting other than to say the conversation centred on the G20 summit.
"It was a positive meeting," the unnamed official told The Canadian Press. "We were able to articulate our position clearly, and we look forward to future discussions and meetings with the president-elect's transition team as they move forward on their work."
One proposal Canada is pushing during the summit meeting is an international "peer review" of every G20 country's national financial regulations.
Harper arrived in Washington for the meeting Friday afternoon.
Harper seeks consensus
Harper said he has been speaking with other G20 leaders ahead of the meeting, and said Canada will be seeking consensus on a communique that focus on global macroeconomic fundamentals.
The document is intended to "restore growth, recognizes that good regulation begins at home and supports mechanisms for peer review that are transparent and accountable," Harper said.
He said some leaders at the meeting will be advocating protectionism as the solution, while others will push for global regulations.
Canada will be promoting a more middle-of-the-road approach, he said.
"We recognize we are living in a more interconnected world than ever before," Harper said.
"No country can afford to isolate itself and to tackle this problem alone. Canada can serve as a good example for the rest of the world as we seek to restore confidence and get the world economy going once again."
He bragged that Canada has the strongest fiscal position in the G7, as well as strong regulations that have kept inflation in check and a sturdy banking system.
Co-operation is key
Earlier Friday, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said it's crucial that more countries are involved in helping to solve the international financial crisis.
Flaherty, speaking from the Tory convention, said many large emerging economies want more of a say in how to deal with the crisis.
"They're unhappy with the fact that this crisis in financial markets emanated primarily from the United States, also from some of the European institutions... and (now) their economies are being damaged," Flaherty told CTV's Canada AM.
Flaherty said there has been talk about including these emerging economies in discussions at the Financial Stability Forum -- a creation of the G7.
"I think that's one of the issues... that will be important this weekend that we broaden the group countries that are working on how we move out of this international crisis," Flaherty said.
Flaherty, who will also head to Washington later in the day, said Canada has already had discussions with all of the G20 members ahead of the weekend meeting.
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I applaud the budget, even though Health Care and education may stay unscathed. Sadly this cannot last and I worry to later this year where cuts will become enviable. If anything, this provides the Wildrose Alliance plenty of ammo when an election is called.


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james
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The system hasn't worked. Billions of dollars of baby boomer retirement funds have vanished and now nations will have the added burden of caring them in the next couple of decades. The youth is working for less than we were. I can't think of any measure to justify saying the system is working...other than ensuring CEO's get larger and larger bonus' (a la Goldman Sachs).
It won't happen but the governments should hold those very same CEOs somewhat accountable. They would seize illegal profits from biker gangs, the mafia...so why not them?
frozennorth52
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"Enough of this regulation nonsense - just keep giving us the billions in corporate welfare we need to keep the "free" markets that work so well (for us) open."
GHW
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I should think this is painfully obvious to everyone. Why should we listen to these guys? Their self-serving greed and stupidity is the root cause to the current financial crisis.
The question before us all is should corporations be given the power and freedom to run things or should we the people take control and run things? I for one don’t want some CEO interested only in his insatiable hunger for more control and wealth running my life or my country. We need a system for the people not the corporations. It’s time for change.
Conrad in soliitary
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Nick in Gatineau
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Everyone is screaming about regulations yet all know the new standards are coming into effect... so are they all saying the new financial instruments are garbage ?
In order to think outside the box, one has to know where the box actually is therefore one has to know what the boundaries are. If you keep working in an environment that thinks there are no boundaries, there is no way to fix it unless you chop off the excess, trim the branches, etc. They are doing that except that instead of letting the wound heal, they are replacing the limbs with golden ones.
So what EXACTLY do the financial institutions want ? To sell Real Estate ? To own more shares of large corporations ? To form a new way to Merge companies ? Is this what this whole mess was about ? Bring the argument to the brink and force the government to allow it ? I hope not.
Bonnie
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He still is the most trusted Canadian world wide when it comes to money/finaces.
Don't be fooled in thinking because Mr. Harper took an Economic course, he is an Economist.
Gail, NS
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KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Steady as She goes
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Michelle
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James
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In addition to all of this, our "great" banks charge their "loyal" customers outrageous fees that have also helped the banks to have outrageous profits, year in , year out.
Canada has nothing to teach the world about weathering this financial storm because Canada will not weather this storm as well as these "experts" want us to believe. The reasons;
1 - We are too small of an economy not to be heavily affected.
2 - The Big 3 auto makers are about to go belly up and with it 10's of thousands of high paying Canadian jobs.
3 - We are still a resource based economy. Our resources, trees, oil, potash and minerals are not in demand as they were. China, India and the U.S. are not buying our resources like they were.
4 - Oil is falling fast and will land hard. There goes a lot of those high paying jobs out West and in Nfld.
The crash is upon us and it is about time these "experts" admit it. Liars, liars, all!!
Waiting for the solution
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Kevin
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Harper is right on track ...and has an opportunity to show the rest of the world leaders, many of which are simply trying to protect their votes and not the good of the people for the long term, what good economic, business and governmental common sense can produce. the mas amount of bailouts being done will only put us back into this situation in another 10yrs.
beeman
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Dave
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ET
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Sherry
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Tired SK Taxpayer
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Shamaro
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I think Mr. Flaherty is right about not giving any money to corperations like GM or Ford. At least not until they come up with a sound economic business plan that will help the company recover.
If the government just throws money at that industry, they'll just take it and run all the way to Mexico with it. In other words, our money will be used to stimulate the Mexican economy.
As far as the G20 goes, I don't really think much will come of this meeting, not with a outgoing administration still in place.
I think we'll see more happening once President-Election Obama is in place.
Ken
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HARPER ROCKS
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H. Jones
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So big deal IF we, Canada , is or will be the leader of the G20? What does it really means? Does it mean the other 19 countries are in worse financial shape than us and we are supposed to be "Happy or proud of it"?
We all should have an open mind and hope EVERYBODY, EVERY COUNTRY are all doing well. No hugry people and everybody can afford to buy food and pay their share of bills on time! Having a JOB is the most IMPORTANT thing on everybody's mind!
Sometimes I think those VIP are so narrow minded! They should go back to school and learn about Global Economic, Taxation, Accounting before they sit in their fancy office and "DREAM" of how to be BIG! They are ALL so "out of touch in REALITY"! SHOULD LET THEM TRADE PLACES WITH THE OTHER CITIZENSHIP JUST FOR ONE DAY AND EXPERIENCE THEIR CHALLENGE!
shelley/ottawa
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Roger T
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The only thing that will shine at the G20 is Flaherty's teeth when it comes to photo opts.
OUR COUNTRY IS IN A FINANCIAL CRISIS AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORST.
This Christmas eat to live, NOT GIFT TO LIVE!
PrairieDog
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I wish people would see how good we have it in this country. I realize these are hard imes...I am also a home owner...but Canada has been riding high for 20 years. Sometimes the economy goes down...and it will rise again. Better than ever, is my prediction. The Conservatives can position Canada to be a leader in the world once again. I think that the other countries will be praising and congratulating Canada for how we as a nation are weathering this storm.
JD in London
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The 70's - US Dollar goes off Gold Standard - Carter forces Fannie & Freddie to issue NINJA loans (No Income, No Job or Assets)with the belief that everyone should own real estate.
The 80's - Reaganomics promotes the collapse of the Soviet System (Government Run Economy)
The 90's - Clinton gives China "most favoured nation" status to promote capitalism. Guess where all the manufacturing jobs go? Also, even more NINJA loans.
The 00's - Republicans warn that Fannie and Freddie are holding potentially disasterous NINJA loans, Dem's (Barney Frank) says "there is no problem"
China continues to buy up US debt.
Today - Market in free fall, $700B bailout fails (read Government Run Economy) because Freddie & Fannie fail. Housing bubble bursts.
Tomorrow - China calls the loans on the US. The world loses confidence in the US dollar.
STAY TUNED!!!
kate
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There should also be a major condition : No more OUTSOURCING of jobs to any one that takes a dime of taxpayers money. How do we the taxpayer pay off your debts if you take away all our good paying jobs? I think there should also be tax breaks for companies that don't outsource and instead create jobs for Canadians.
On one hand they want free markets and the other they provide bailouts. If it's really a free market, then let them fail. I'd rather my money is spent retraining workers than bailing out a failing institution.
Jim
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Gary
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So Mr. Flaherty and Mr. Harper SHINE or FIX, your choice. By the way where is all our double talking opposition parties at this time.
Kevin in Toronto
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Chris
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In addition, we can't let people who don't make money, borrow money. Let's get back to responsible lending/borrowing. That may be tough for people (including myself) but in the long run, it is helpful for all of us.
al
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Astro
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Dr.Wolf
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nc
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Mr. Bush is an incredulous person. He has started to bail out Wall St. and next it will be the auto ind. He has the gall to say the system is not broken.
The organizations that represent big business are stating that govts. should not go overboard in their solutions. Wall St. and banks have been going overboard for the last 5 years. Look what happened.
Do these people have no shame.
Jimmyjim
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The a__e is right out of it now! Just released data shows that retails sales in the U.S. fell by 2.8% in Oct. This decrease has never been seen before!! This large a drop has never happed before!! American consumers have snapped their wallets shut faster than Harper and Flaherty can say; " Canada's wallet is open for all Canadian Banks!"
If the world's biggest comsumer market did this at the beginning of the holiday shopping season, the crash is about to happen!! Hold on to your love ones because the financial end is near.
I'm going to Montreal for the Grey Cup and I am going to find me the biggest steak I can, the best booze I can and tie one on for possibly the last time in a long time!!
Another example of how bad it is getting; Putin in Russia want to be head honcho again. This after just giving the job to Medvedev recently. Putin can't trust his own hand picked successor for less than a year to manage the store. Watch out!
Hold on to your love ones, it's going to get really scary really fast!
JD in London
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Here's how it works:
If you HOPE that you will have a JOB, you better CHANGE and buy only North American.
How do the new Chevrolets look this year?
Kevin in Toronto
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But...workers with Toyota, Honda, etc..they get the same deal the CAW negotiated with GM and neither of those companies are in danger of folding. Can't be entirely the union.
Time for a meaningful change
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Well I'm not too pleased either that my promising resource stocks got flushed down 90+%.
Now it's a waiting game thanks to the greedy idiots in the USA as well as CDN investment bankers who have been illegally naked shorting our TSX markets while Canadian market regulators do absolutely nothing....
It's time to change the rules and remove the regulators who refuse to do their job.
Gwillimbury
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Is there anything out there in the world that is positive?
Jonny of the RCR
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The government SHOULD not change anything aside from ensuring this never happens again. It is not the governments job to take care of people and hold their hands.
More 'Liberal spin' ...
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...Fortunately, Canadians disagree and are supporting a REAL manager not some rejected Prime MInister whose ships are registered elsewhere rather than pay taxes HERE. ...
John in Calgary
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Economists should only be allowed to interpret the data. "The Canadian economy had a decrease in economic production of 0.1% in the month of July" They should NOT be able to say "The Canadian economy had a decrease in economic production of 0.1% in the month of July, which means the world is coming to an end, sell your second born, sell your dog, sell your favourite hat, cause this is it, our goose is cooked, your turkey will be chasing you with a clever LIFE AS WE KNOW IT....IS OVER"
Just the facts would be enough I think.
Clinton hasn't been in office for eight years.
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The mortgages, subprime or not, aren't the problem. Securitization of the mortgages and using them to overleverage is what has caused the US financial meltdown. ...
Matt G.
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The Americans and their government screwed themselves. They are in the position they are in because that country told its people that they deserve the very best of everything, and not to be frugal or smart with your money. Canada is and has been doing better because we are a different society. Most don't believe in buying a new car every 3 years. Most are smarter to not spend more than $350,000 on a home. A mortgage is only supposed to reflect 1/4 of what a person takes home every month, not more than half which causes it to become a 40+ year mortgage. You've got to learn to spend within your means, and if you can't do that, you need to get more education, which would possibly allow you to get a better paying job, so you can have the things you want. The Canadian government and all media organizations need to stop spreading recession fears across this country. We can survive, no problem. Just get on with your lives. If you lose you job, bounce back, and find another one, or get additional training to allow you to find one. Take responsibility for your actions.
Leave it to Harper to support lame duck Bush.
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Harper must have a learning disability: US system doesn't work--except for the rich.
Gail (Hamilton)
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The decision to sell off government owned entities has to be considered in an uncertain economy, and I think Mr. Martin would do the same if he was still in charge of the country's finances.
Democracy for the time being is at work here folks.
G-19 (G-20 without USA) is going to slap USA.
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We want more than crony capitalist corruption.
Linda in Vancouver
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But the poor have nothing much left to lose.The really wealthy won't be quite as wealthy,but will still be just fine.Those who piled up massive debt will just walk away after declaring bankrupcy.
The real victims will be those who worked hard,saved their money,invested,and avoided debt.Now their pensions will fail,their assets are worthless,and their jobs are vanishing.
When all is said and done it looks like the people who worked the hardest,played by the rules,paid their bills and their taxes,and lived with their means,are going to suffer most of the pain.
Although,I guess that should be no surprise in Canada,where criminals get priority over victims,and workers pay the bills for those who won't.
Given what happened to Martha Stewart,I wonder who might be next.This is more than a criminal betrayal of trust by some very greedy individuals in positions of trust.
A Guenther
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... GM has a top notch history as far as treatment of their employees goes. When people started buying the Japanese imports years ago and plants starting shutting down due to fewer sales of North American cars, then the Japanese auto makers took over the plants, and rehired the employees at far lower wages.
When I travelled down the states 15 years ago I walked into my first Walmart ever in Alabama. I was looking at clothes for my daughter and everything, I mean EVERYTHING that I looked at was made in the US. I was so impressed that I thought when they came up here, they would do the same only as made in Canada. Silly me for being surprised to see all China labels.
The politicians have 'sold the farm' piece by piece over the years. We plunked ourselves on the world stage and became intertwined, all in the name of trade relations. We became a country open for plunder. We allowed our precious resources to be sold out of the country.
For this we will not escape the coming recession.
Richard
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Was he not our Finance Minister during Adscam, although he maintains he didn't know anything about it. Liberals have to deal with the fact that the Conservatives are now the government...
Roger T
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This is a message to the retailers & greedy corporations, we as consumers can control the way we spend and what you put in your pockets, so until any real prices drops are made the reality is "THIS CHRISTMAS - EAT TO LIVE, NOT GIFT TO LIVE!".
Personal savings comes before the economy. "Save Your Money"
Interest rates are poison
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As long as creations (banks) make money from money, nothing will be resolved.
Our forefathers built things with money, they made homes, businesses etc.
Financiers make nothing. Regulations of interest are integral to the resolution of this crisis. If banks are regulated to charge nominal interest (enough to pay their salaries and not to make them the most profitable businesses in the world)the problems will resolve.
Banks currently make their profits by lending your money to (me). They have no ownership. They do not need to be the huge profiteers.
Home paid for
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JP
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Roland Godin
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Reece
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People, you are witnessing the conservatives at work. If anybody wanted any further proof that they lack the kind of intellect that's needed today it's with this issue.
The media needs to stop being coy over this issue. This reminds me of the pre-Iraq war silence when the media effectively cheerleaded the conservatives into a disasterous war.
PBW in WPG
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"Dare I say it: Perhaps part of the problem is the immeasurably high wages many union workers get for their jobs". What he fails to mention is that business and industry leaders are at fault too, especially those organizations that permit the hiring of executives who demand 6 or 7 figure bonuses on top of their excessive salaries, regardless of their performance. And what about our public sector, which is over-manned in the management area and undermanned in the areas that actually deliver goods or services?
That is true everywhere; those actually producing goods and wealth are not the ones causing the problems, it is the bosses, whether middle or upper "management". As demonstrated by our present crisis, some of these managers could not organize ants for a picnic, yet we pay them as if they were supermen.
Where will it all end up? Read Ozymandias
Kenny
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Not focusing on who's to blame is like saying "We'll just restock the stores shelves, not catch the robber.
The very same pond scum banksters that created the derivative nightmare to begin with are now being given billions to bail themselves out. At taxpayer's expense.
It is full time to restructure the commodities exchanges, enfore existing laws, and hold banks accountable for they're own mistakes.
Come on Canadians, GET MAD for a change!
Cambob
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john from SK
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Rod P.
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Randy in Calgary
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It is wrong to assume that profit and financial success are the only factors that can motivate society. Generations of indoctrination into this mindset have left us with a society where only a small % of people possess all property and wealth. There is no human nature, only human experience and envoirnment. Sadly, the current human experience teaches us that goodness and generosity are obsolete and anyone who promotes these virtues is derided as a mentally ill commie pinko. Technology and the capability of the human mind have taken us into an era where monetary economics should be obsolete and the only constraints should be the human imagination. A competitive society is a society at war with itself.
Consumer
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In regards to the auto sector, here's a thought, if you want to help, BUY DOMESTIC! Why are we sending all our money to Japan etc when we can help our own economy by buying domestic? I drive a Chevy, have for years, its got great fuel economy, has never broken down and is a fantastic car. Other countries don't allow North American cars in in the same way we freely take in their cars. That is the cause of the problems in the domestic industry, is that North Americans would rather give their money overseas than buy quality products made at home, whether its for prestige or the actually believe the negative marketing of these overseas companies. Canadians, wake up and help ourselves, BUY DOMESTIC for all things you can.
KMC
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Actually, if you remember, Martin/Chretien got elected promising to abolish Brian Mulroney's GST. Which Mulroney brought in to reduce the huge deficit he inherited from the profligate Liberal spending of the Trudeau years.
They lied, as usual. They kept the GST and,along with massive downloading to the Provinces,and raiding the Unemployment Insurance Fund, etc., used it to build up and enormous surplus.
So, the credit goes to Mulroney. The Martin/Chretien Liberals were just paying off the remains of their own deficit from the Trudeau years.
Ralph in Alberta
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Mykey, The Lakehead
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Stop the ignorance!
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John Reid
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Yes by all means lets try and help each other out of this mess BUT lets recover the money that was fraudulently taken from joe Q public by the robber barons that gave themselves multimillion dollar bonuses for screwing the common man out of his job, house and pension, take back these undeserved bonuses and charge them with the fraud they have committed.
Bailing them out without punishment and letting them keep their ill gotten gains will only urge them on to do it all again in the future, they have already shown what they think of the government and the people they have screwed by going to high class resort hotels on the pretext of having meetings to solve the problems they caused and living high off the hog on the bailout money they already have.
At the moment the common working man has no confidence in the government or any financial institution to get it back you must show that you are not going to let them get away with it NO Bail out, loan the money by buying up shares and ownership in the name of the people in the institutions that have failed and NO bonuses paid until the loans are all paid back the the people and government regulation of the US federal reserve banking system, I would even go so far as to suggest that we the people should have a say in how much the CEO’s and people running the companies we now control get paid.
Realistically speaking, there is an answer
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Without putting the money back into the hands of the population, the cycle of spending will come to a halt.
Stopping the spending system will spiral the world into stark depression.
The "big shots" have the answer, but do they have the guts to put laws into place to force the greedy to share their wealth? I doubt it.
Don
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Ron in Ontario
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Doing what is right seems to be a lost art Of course, if anything goes, everything is allowed, why bother doing the more difficult thing of doing what we know is right.